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  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    How many Utah games will there be on the ESPN family of networks this year? Just the Las Vegas Bowl? I'm trying to plan.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    ESPN loves BYU....over half of BYU's football games will be on ESPN!

    WOW!

    These are the good old days....BYU, ESPN, Sweet 16, Jimmer, Dave Rose, Jake Heaps!

  • nottyou Riverton, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    Dang, I forgot to mention that Utah will be on ESPN when they play BYU. Oh good.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 8, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    This is such a fun rivalry! I used to live in Hawai'i and they do see it as a rivalry. It will be fun to renew this rivalry over the next few years and the ENTIRE nation can watch it!

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    June 8, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    Great news. Now made official what, I think, most of us already suspected. 7 of 12 games on ESPN or ESPN2 is just outstaning exposure. There is still a chance the BYU/Oregon State will be picked up later in the year if the teams are both performing well. Regardless of that game, the move to Independence is proving to be a very profitable move.

  • Starfarer Mesa, AZ
    June 8, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    BYU on T.V. Every game!

    Sure glad I don't have any desire to watch Utah play. I don't get verses.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 8, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    BYU and ESPN are becoming synonymous!

  • SoCalTrueBlue2 San Diego, CA
    June 8, 2011 2:47 p.m.

    BYU football on national TV in high definition at least 7 times in its first year of independence. Not bad. So long, MWC.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 8, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    Grea day to be a Cougar! Once again, BYU has another ESPN game, bringing the total to 7!

    While Utah has one ESPN game thanks to BYU! Utah has yet to schedule home a game on ESPN.

    Go Cougars!

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    nottyou:

    After some thought, I've composed the reply from Ute fans - Pac 12.

    Enjoy the meaningless schedule of the team down south. Ute fans will enjoy competing in the Pac 12.

  • G-Swenz Providence, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    I'm an Aggie fan first but I love to root for BYU/Utah as well. Pretty exciting to see BYU getting this much love from ESPN. Looking forward to watching the games, especially when they take on USU and Utah.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Menace;
    Your post smacks of jealousy, obsession and is just plain lame.

    7 games on ESPN and counting. I am thinking one more before all is said and done.

    The first season as an independent, with 4 or 5 weak teams on their schedule(reminds me of the 04 and 08 TUN teams) and they have 7 games on ESPN. I don't think the TUN has has 7 games on ESPN in the past 5 years.

    I can't blame you at all for being jealous.

  • millerdu PROVO, UT
    June 8, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Utah falls on its face again!! Go Cougars

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    What about San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho, and New Mexico State?

    On second thought, I hope "they" don't put those games on TV, because I wouldn't want anyone to know BYU was playing four games, in one season, against that kind of competition.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    @ WHAT NOW?

    Not much different than Wyoming, UNLV and New Mexico!

    Utah plays Montana St, Colorado, Washington State and UCLA...they are pretty weak

    Florida plays Furman & Florida Atlantic...

    Alabama plays Kent State and North Texas...

    Everyone plays a couple of practice games...

    This is one of the best schedules BYU has had...enjoy it!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    WHAT NOW?

    "What about San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho, and New Mexico State?"

    Check the home cupcakes SEC and other power conference teams are playing before you get too worked up over BYU playing home cupcakes.

    Florida, for example, plays Florida Atlantic, UAB, Vanderbilt and Furman in four of the Gator's seven home games.

    With Ole Miss, Texas, TCU, Utah, and Oregon State on BYU's schedule, the Cougars are playing enough quality teams to silence any doubters if the Cougars have a great season.

    More importantly, BYU will be playing all but one of those quality teams (a PAC 12 team, ironically) on ESPN.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 8, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    One of BYU's main goals in leaving the MWC and the MTN was better exposure and television coverage:

    BYU football - 7 games and counting on ESPN

    BYU basketball - minimum 12 games on ESPN

    Well done Tom! Mission accomplished!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    What channel was BYU on for their BCS games?

    What channel will their next BCS game be on?

    LOL

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    BYU Football Schedule 2011

    Sat, Sept 3 at Ole Miss - ESPN
    Sat, Sept 10 at Texas - ESPN2
    Sat, Sept 17 vs Utah - ESPN2
    Fri, Sept 23 vs UCF - ESPN
    Fri, Sept 30 vs Utah State - ESPN
    Sat, Oct 15 at Oregon State - TBD
    Fri, Oct 28 at TCU - ESPN
    Sat, Dec 3 at Hawaii - ESPN

    For their first year as an independent, the Cougars are doing great!

    Let the jealous whining begin!

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:49 p.m.

    Chris B

    What channel was Utah on when the won their national championship?

    What channel was Utah on when their QB beat the #1-ranked, defending national champions to launch his Heisman Trophy winning season?

    As much as you like to pretend, your dreams can't keep up with BYU's realities.

  • lordandrew1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Pretty sure that a coach doesn't set the team's goal to be "BCS"...every team's goal is "National Championship".

    When Utah gets one, you can talk.

    L.O.L.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 8, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Chris

    What channel will ANY Utaah game be on?

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    June 8, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    @ Chris B...

    It will most likely be on ESPN...and it may be sooner than you think!

    If not...BYU will be in the top 20 maybe top 12 in the next 3 years...I can live with that...and who knows after that?

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    Lol, I love seeing how much misinformed banter goes on here. Utah is playing this year on game to game contracts because the Pac 12 deal doesn't start until 2012. So, yeah, we have games on Versus. But when that new deal starts, we'll be on national TV, either on FOX, ABC, or ESPN, the Pac-12 network (whenever they start that), or possibly YouTube (rumor that Google is working a deal for content).

    But, whatever makes you guys happy. I'd rather play UCLA, USC, Washington, and Arizona in b-ball every year than Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Pepperdine and Portland. It comes down to a matter of preference.

  • MESOUTE Karchaj, A.V.
    June 8, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    Hey, you gotta hand it to the Cougars when they are doing well. Remember, being on TV is not enough in and of itself. You need to win those games to make it count. Hopefully the year after this will give Utah fans a better TV schedule.

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    June 8, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    @ Doctor J

    Please list all projected top 15 teams that play, at least 4 bona fide cupcakes, at home.

    Voters are looking for a way to punnish BYU, just as they looked for a way to punnish Boise State, for playing teams like San Jose State, Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State.

    You brought up UTAH.

    One reason UTAH was kept out of the National Championship picture was their strength of schedule.

    As long as BYU continues to schedule at least "...a couple of games..." (4 is a couple?) against the "dregs" of college football, they will be subject to the "Boise State" rule.

    Boise State, a team with one loss, in overtime, was exiled to the Las Vegas Bowl.

    It's not fair, but whoever said life was fair?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 6:40 p.m.

    I just dont get the Cougar Collectives hyper-ventilating excitement over their new-found exposure.

    Bronco and Heaps say their goal is get to a BCS game and win a national championship.

    Does exposure get you closer to a BCS game? No, you have to win your way to a BCS game.

    Does exposure get you a national championship? Not until the NC is determined by number to ESPN appearances.

    Will exposure give BYU a competitive on- field advantage? No, BYUtv wont help you beat Texas, Oregon State, TCU, Ole Miss, or Utah for that matter.

    The only possibly advantage of exposure is in recruiting, but given BYUs honor code limited recruiting base I really cant see exposure providing much of a boost for BYU.

    Will the BYUs teeming world-wide fan base be able to see more Cougar games? Sure, but that still doesnt help Bronco accomplish his goals.

    So whats the big deal?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 8, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    "Does exposure get you closer to a BCS game? No, you have to win your way to a BCS game.

    Does exposure get you a national championship? Not until the NC is determined by number to ESPN appearances."

    Howard S., I read back in 2008 when Utah played Alabama in the Rose Bowl that almost every single AP voter admitted to have never seen Utah play any football before that game.

    It is likely that if Utah had been playing every single game on ESPN, they might have attracted more attention and maybe had a chance to play in a better bowl, same goes for TCU (of course, this is all speculation at this point, and will never know what would have happened-- a bunch of what-ifs).

    However, I think exposure would help, even if only a little. ESPN helped make BYU nationally relevant. Don't underestimate what exposure could bring. It helps with recruiting; players aren't likely to be enticed by a school they have never heard of or have never seen play before.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    @Riverton Cougar

    "Don't underestimate what exposure could bring."
    *********

    In 2008 Utah was undefeated. An undefeated season combined with exposure may have helped Utah that year.

    BYU has had only one undefeated year in their history.

    Unless BYU can deliver an undefeated season, all the exposure in the world will mean nothing for the Bronco/Heaps quest for the BCS and a national championship.

    As for recruiting, their is a limited number of honor code potential athletes in this country. BYU is a secret to none of them.

    Exposure may land BYU a couple of honor code players that they would not have landed otherwise, but certainly not in sufficient numbers to make a competitive difference.

    Exposure may satisfy the craving of the Collective for affirmation and attention, but until BYU can deliver on the field Bronco's goals will go unfulfilled.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 8, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    @ what now

    BYU has 5 really strong games this year: Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, TCU, and Oregon State. Those 5 games stand out for BYU, especially because they are all on national TV.

    If BYU wins all their games this year, there is no doubt they will be ranked at least #4, possibly in the top 2, and qualify for a national championship.

    Yes, BYU plays some crappy teams in 2011, but the other 5 games easily prove enough for BYU.

    As of now, Utah is only playing one ranked team in 2011: USC. BYU's schedule, overall, looks stronger than Utah's week Pac12 south schedule.

    Go Cougars!

  • Y4LYFE Lubbock, TX
    June 8, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    BYU and ESPN are quite a combo. Can't wait to win big games, and hear reports from ESPN that the biggest viewerships have involved BYU games.

    Also, kudos for KJZZ for landing a BcS team.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    @ Howard S and WHAT NOW

    I would, of course, humbly disagree. BSU's SoS last year was horrible (worse than Utah's in '08), and yet even with how bad it was, there was a ton of talk about them playing in the NC if they went undefeated. Why the difference between '10 BSU and '08 Utah? I would venture to guess it was due to the exposure BSU had garnered from being on ESPN last year and for several years beforehand. So as much as you may like to downplay it, exposure counts for a lot.

    As for scheduling, BYU had to win all of their games beforehand in the MWC to be considered for a BCS bowl or National Championship. So as for that, nothing has changed, since we sill need to go undefeated to achieve those goals. However, now most of the country can be exposed to BYU and the unique university that it is. And as a bonus, we get around 10 million dollars a year. So I'd say it's a pretty big deal :) Go Cougars!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    @Cougar_Independence

    "If BYU wins all their games this year, there is no doubt they will be ranked at least #4, possibly in the top 2, and qualify for a national championship."
    ***********

    The same thing can be said for Utah.

    So where is the advantage of 7 or 8 ESPN games?

  • Bottom Line Draper, UT
    June 8, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    Nothing funnier than the spin that Utah could be on more ESPN games this year if it weren't the first year in the PAC 10.2 agreement. LOL

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:04 p.m.

    @Howard S. "As for recruiting, their is a limited number of honor code potential athletes in this country. BYU is a secret to none of them."

    False statement. Read up on Bobby Wolford and Josh Quezada. They'd heard of BYU, but not about the honor code and the kind of university it was.

    Increased exposure will help to answer questions for athletes who don't really know anything about BYU.

    "So where is the advantage of 7 or 8 ESPN games?"

    We'll actually be able to watch the Cougs play football this year, and in HD no less. But that's ok, Bill Reilly(sp?)'s a good radio broadcaster for the U, as I'm sure you'll come to find out very well this year :) Go Cougars!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    "...exposure counts for a lot."
    ************

    Exposure or not, winning gets you to the NC game.

    2010 BSU didn't deliver. Nothing else matters.

    The last time BYU delivered an undefeated season without the advantage of 7 ESPN games they were awarded the NC.

    Unless BYU can deliver an undefeated season, 7 ESPN games will mean nothing for Bronco's and Heaps' stated goals.

    $10 million is peanuts in today's finances of college football... If more people see BYU play, so be it... but none of that gets you a BCS game or the NC.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    truecoug1

    Quezada is a decent, not dominating, player. And he was signed before independence and ESPN games.

    So, what did ESPN do to help BYU land him?

    Wolford's best other offer is from Navy. If that's is the kind of player that exposure helps you get, then you should expect no meaningful competitive recruiting advantage from ESPN games.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    @Howard S. "Exposure or not, winning gets you to the NC game."

    If that were true, why didn't Utah play in the NC in '04 or '08? As I mentioned before, I would venture to guess it was because of exposure, or lack thereof.

    The big name schools get into the NC because they win, and because people know who they are. They're a brand name and why? Because of exposure.

    So obviously BYU needs to go undefeated to get into the National Championship. Almost every team that has played in the NC since the inception of the BCS has had to go undefeated. Fortunately for the Cougs, we now have the exposure side of things down :)

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:32 p.m.

    truecoug1

    "Fortunately for the Cougs, we now have the exposure side of things down :)"
    **********

    Now you just have to get that undefeated thing down, which of course you haven't done in 26 years.

    Oh and just for reference, Utah twice as many undefeated seasons in the last decade as BYU has in its history.

    Not that anyone's counting... ;)

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    @Howard S. "Oh and just for reference, Utah twice as many undefeated seasons in the last decade as BYU has in its history."

    Haha, true...and yet, Utah still has yet to win a National Championship...kind of ironic, isn't it? But hey, you've got those 2 BCS wins, right? That's something :)

    "Quezada is a decent, not dominating, player. And he was signed before independence and ESPN games.

    So, what did ESPN do to help BYU land him?"

    The point wasn't about type of recruits. To quote you again "As for recruiting, their is a limited number of honor code potential athletes in this country. BYU is a secret to none of them."

    The point was that there are plenty of athletes who would abide by the Honor Code and go to BYU if they knew more about it. Juice and Wolford both had their eyes opened when they came and visited campus at BYU, but they hardly knew anything about the school before. That's why increased exposure will help BYU in that it will help to answer questions athletes may have about the school before they even come to campus. Go Cougs!

    "

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 8:44 p.m.

    @Howard S. Also, if Juice was a "decent" player as a freshman last year playing behind two junior running backs, imagine what he'll do over the next three years? The kid's got a chance to be really special. Go Cougs!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    truecoug1

    "Utah still has yet to win a National Championship...kind of ironic"
    ***************

    BYU does have a NC... the ironic part is that they did it without 7 ESPN games.

    So why all the breathless excitement about 7 ESPN games now?

    If BYU is going to meet Bronco's expectations, all they have to do is win... the 7 ESPN games are irrelevant if BYU can't deliver an undefeated season.

    As for Quezada, I said he is a decent player. He has yet to prove the can carry the full load, but he is decent. He could even be great.

    But he is just one player representing an extremely limited recruiting base. Just one or even a few players like him is not going to measurably improve BYU competitive on-field advantage.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    June 8, 2011 9:52 p.m.

    ESPN or Rose Bowl
    ESPN or Pac 12 affiliation
    ESPN or opportunity to win a NC
    ESPN or Having USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc in your stadium forever
    ESPN or 21 to 31 million dollars simply for belonging
    ESPN or Knowing the 2nd team in your conference could still be in a bcs game.
    ESPN or knowing all PAC 12 bowl games are better than BYU affiliated bowls.

    ESPN is my favorite channel but I will see every single Utah game on television or live and every Ute anywhere will be able to see Utah games. BYU's goal is exposure. They got it! Would BYU trade places with Utah? Would Utah trade places with BYU?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 8, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    @Cougar_Independence
    "BYU has 5 really strong games this year: Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, TCU, and Oregon State"

    I have to add that I think our games against UCF and Hawaii will be tougher than Oregon State and on par with Ole Miss and Utah.

    This is a much tougher schedule overall than Utah, TCU or Boise State had when they went undefeated.

    An undefeated BYU in 2011 would likely play for a NC. A one loss BYU, if the loss were to a Top 20 TCU or Texas team on the road, would have a shot at a BCS bowl.

    I'm excited about the ongoing relationship with Hawaii. That gets BYU back into another fertile recruiting ground. And it gives players a game in the tropics to look forward to. Games in Hawaii, Texas, Florida and California (next year); will open doors to increased talent.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    @Howard S. "BYU does have a NC... the ironic part is that they did it without 7 ESPN games."

    True...they did it with one, the very first ESPN televised game at a time when there were one or two college football games on a week. Pretty big stuff at the time.

    " The 7 ESPN games are irrelevant if BYU can't deliver an undefeated season."

    I feel like I'm listening to a broken record. We've already established that BYU has to run the table to have a shot at the national title. Almost every team does.

    But saying that 7 ESPN games are irrelevant if BYU doesn't go undefeated is a false statement. BYU's a unique school with a unique mission, something that Bronco has emphasized time and again. The increased exposure helps answer questions and spread the message of what BYU is all about.

    And, like I said before, I'll be enjoying watching BYU football in HD on national TV while U fans get to enjoy Bill Reilly on AM 700. But he DOES make it seem like you're actually watching the game...almost :) Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Anyhoo, I'm out for the night. Good bantering back and forth with you, Howard S. It's the stuff that rivalries are made of :)

    In all seriousness, it will be exciting to see how the future unfolds for both BYU and Utah. I think we can both agree that both institutions are fabulous, that both football teams are extremely well coached, and that both schools have overachieved with the talent that they've had. All the best to the Utes in their future endeavors (except for Sept. 17th of course :). Go Cougars!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 8, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    CougFaninTX | 9:57 p.m. June 8, 2011

    This is a much tougher schedule overall than Utah, TCU or Boise State had when they went undefeated.

    ---------------

    Today yes, but by January IF you go undefeated you'll have to beat 4 final ranked teams in one year as Utah did in 2008 (#6 #7 #18 #25) in order to make that claim.

    Reality... BYU has beat 2 ranked teams since 1996 (#22 TCU 2006 and #18 Utah 2009)... notice no BCS team.

    Good luck and good job about earning the 7 ESPN games.

    Oh BTW, Pitt has 6 games on national TV (3 ABC and 3 ESPN)... with the raise of hands how many think they'll go undefeated next year with all that national exposure?

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 8, 2011 10:56 p.m.

    Oh good. That's a Saturday. I was worried because Howard S. has stated for almost a year now that all the games would be mid-week and I've got to lead Scouts on Thursdays.

    Gee, do you think it might have just been sour grapes on his part?

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    June 8, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    BYU + ESPN = The power of partnership!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 11:08 p.m.

    I just dont get the Cougar Collectives hyper-ventilating excitement over their new-found exposure.

    So where is the advantage of 7 or 8 ESPN games?

    So why all the breathless excitement about 7 ESPN games now?

    Howie, Howie, Howie - seriously? Do you really think anybody is buying this load you're dishing up about BYU's exposure on ESPN being irrelevant? We know Utah doesn't get the same deal so of course, it's not worth anything to anyone else - right? That is the exact definition of sour grapes!

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    June 8, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    @KamUte, and everyone else

    "ESPN or Rose Bowl
    ESPN or Pac 12 affiliation
    ESPN or opportunity to win a NC
    ESPN or Having USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc in your stadium forever
    ESPN or 21 to 31 million dollars simply for belonging
    ESPN or Knowing the 2nd team in your conference could still be in a bcs game.
    ESPN or knowing all PAC 12 bowl games are better than BYU affiliated bowls."

    I hate to get preachy, but the quote, "simply for belonging" BYU was left out of the PAC for various reasons, but now it seems like you and they are standing in your Conference, (Great and Spacious Building) Pointing at us and laughing. But don't worry. We know we're a strange and "Peculiar" people. We are the only team in America with a contract with ESPN. We're Independent. So, point and laugh all you want. . . but, great will be your fall. Boy, this independent fruit sure tastes good. Pity that Utah will never taste of it.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    KamUte | 9:52 p.m. June 8, 2011

    "ESPN or Rose Bowl
    ESPN or Pac 12 affiliation
    ESPN or opportunity to win a NC
    ESPN or Having USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc in your stadium forever
    ESPN or 21 to 31 million dollars simply for belonging
    ESPN or Knowing the 2nd team in your conference could still be in a bcs game.
    ESPN or knowing all PAC 12 bowl games are better than BYU affiliated bowls.

    ESPN is my favorite channel but I will see every single Utah game on television or live and every Ute anywhere will be able to see Utah games. BYU's goal is exposure. They got it! Would BYU trade places with Utah? Would Utah trade places with BYU?"

    Nice having those coattails to hang on to, isn't it? Much nicer receiving recognition for what you've done yourself and earned yourself. I hope you still feel that way when football season rolls around and you can't see your Utes play because they didn't get the ESPN deal that BYU has. By the way, BYU could easily be part of a BCS conference but Utah could never pull off independence.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 11:55 p.m.

    Mountainman56

    "That is the exact definition of sour grapes!"
    **********

    Honestly no sour grapes here at all. I wouldn't consider for an instant trading the PAC 12 and $30 million dollars for BYU's ESPN games.

    Beyond that the story for the same for Utah as it is for BYU... Win and you get to a BCS bowl, maybe the NC game... lose and you go to a second tier bowl.

    Seven ESPN games or not, the story is exactly same.

    So what's the big deal? Mormons across the globe get to see BYU play? Okay great.

    I just don't get the hyper-ventilating, jumping up and down, screaming at the top of your lungs excitement for ESPN games... that's all.

    Maybe ESPN satisfies a BYU craving for attention. If that's it... then enjoy... I'd rather be Utah.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 8, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    @Mountainman56

    "BYU could easily be part of a BCS conference..."
    **********

    Funny... If you could you would.

    But no power conference wants you... sorry...

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 9, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Uteology

    Utah beats Top 25 teams at home and loses to mediocre teams at home and on the road - teams like Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico and UNLV.

    In the PAC 12 it won't be any different. The Utes will beat UCLA at home, then go on the road and lose to Washington State. Utah hasn't beaten a PAC 10 team with a winning record on the road in over a decade.

    It's funny how much stock you put in beating Top 25 teams, but how little stock you put in actually being ranked. Strange, very strange.

    Maybe someday you'll figure why BYU, without beating a single ranked team, won a national championship, but Utah, with several wins over Top 25 teams couldn't finish higher than #2/#4.

    The answer: national cachet; BYU has it, Utah only thinks they do.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    June 9, 2011 12:08 a.m.

    @Mountainman56

    "BYU could easily be part of a BCS conference..."

    --------------

    Yes, just ask Ron McBride:

    "In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl game."

    Now it seems we beat them into the BCS and they've started talking about ESPN... priceless.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 9, 2011 12:36 a.m.

    A team with two BCS wins on its resume, completely ignored the World Wide Leader - priceless.

  • T-spoon West Jordan, UT
    June 9, 2011 1:00 a.m.

    "Honestly no sour grapes here at all."

    Sour grapes means to convince yourself that something, which is of worth, is worthless. That is exactly what you are doing Howard S, lol.

    Good luck to the Cougars and Utes this upcoming season!

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    June 9, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    RE: "an extremely limited recruiting base..."

    Yeah, just Utah county... Oh wait, where's that stellar NON-LDS linebacker stud from again? Oh yeah... Florida.

    Oh snap!

  • SeattleUhasabballteam? Seattle, WA
    June 9, 2011 1:48 a.m.

    Utesovertide:

    "But, whatever makes you guys happy. I'd rather play UCLA, USC, Washington, and Arizona in b-ball every year than Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Pepperdine and Portland. It comes down to a matter of preference. "

    Im sure they will look forward to playing you too.

    Just out of curiosity will the PAC 12 look forward to playing Utah in bball more than the WCC will miss playing Utah in bball?

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    June 9, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    Howard S., why are you investing so much time and energy on a BYU article? Why do you care so much? What is your true motivation for all of these seemingly endless posts?

  • bmoncur RIVERTON, UT
    June 9, 2011 9:00 a.m.

    @Howard S.: I think that your arguments about reaching a BCS/NC game are accurate - Winning trumps everything, including exposure. I do, however, believe that your points don't really apply to this discussion. We're not talking about end-of-year results. We're simply talking about a desire to see our favorite team play regardless of where we live/what TV package we have. I believe that in the long-term, both BYU and Utah will greatly benefit (on and off the field) from their respective moves.

    It is true that this season Utah will suffer from limited TV exposure, while BYU will be a lot more accessible than in years past. I think that this is simply and exciting positive result for BYU rather than a dig on Utah.

    The bottom line is that exposure is ALWAYS a plus in the long term. BYU and Utah fans can certainly agree on that. Their respective moves reflect that common belief.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    Why doesn't Howard S. just petition the DNews to start his own blog in the BYU sports section? Then I could purposely avoid him instead of having to wade through all of this. Based on his constant posting on BYU articles, I'm sure he would feel comfortable there.

    Just sayin'

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 9, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Howard:

    For someone who is trying so hard to belittle exposure (I guess I would too if my team were stuck on Versus), you sure are working hard at getting your name "out there." Judging by the number of comments you've been posting, I guess school must be out for the Summer.

  • Collin Card Provo, Utah
    June 9, 2011 10:25 a.m.

    If the voters can't watch any of your wins, will they be more or less likely to vote for you in the polls?

    That is the true worth of this ESPN partnership.

  • Thomas5 Colorado Springs, CO
    June 9, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Cougar Nation. Lets take a step back. First off, lets not forget that two of your games are on Friday night in September. The Ole Miss and Texas games are big for you, but again, in September. When college football gets real serious, in October and November, you have one game. If you lose one of any of the first five games, you are an after thought. No one is going to care nationally about BYU when you are off the radar in October and November. Remember that is nine weeks of BYUTV. True BYU fans can see their team which is important, but five out of the seven games in September doesn't give you the exposure you need when the college football season is at its peak. One week out of nine in October and November isn't good for your exposure claim. Yes, Cougar nation gets to see you which is great, but easy on the exposure claim. You are an after thought when everyone, including BSU and Utah are playing for a conference championship. And don't think ESPN didn't take this into view with their contract with BYU.

  • bmoncur RIVERTON, UT
    June 9, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    @Thomas5: I think your "early exposure vs. late exposure" argument could easily be used the other way. Early exposure is great because if BYU does win those early big games, then they will be grabbing headlines throughout the season. If they see big gains in the polls early, it will be easier to hang on to those gains later in the season, when BYU's schedule softens considerably.

    I'm certain that ESPN's selection of which BYU games it would broadcast had EVERYTHING to do with the teams BYU was playing. If BYU had these games late in the season rather than early, I guarantee ESPN would be there.

    All things considered, the current level of BYU exposure, when compared to the last several years, is exponentially better.

  • GACougar Atlanta, GA
    June 9, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    Thomas5, you said, "No one is going to care nationally about BYU when you are off the radar in October and November." Sorry, Thomas, but you are wrong. YOU will care. And so will Howard S and Chris B. Come what may, we know that you, Howard and Chris will ALWAYS be there and you will always care about the Cougars of BYU.

  • Target Provo, Utah
    June 9, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Oh good, Thomas5 is here to bring us back to "reality". Have fun at those AFA games, Thomas.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 9, 2011 11:37 a.m.

    Re: Doctor J

    This is the same OLD story you guys like whine about every year regarding your schedule. Why make yourself look silly. You BYU fans think that your schedule is comparable to the SEC's? Well for starters your playing Texas, Ole Miss and Central Florida, TCU for pre season. WOW! How's the rest of your beefy schedule look like? Here's FLorida's for example since you brought up the SEC kinda a good conference. They play ALabama,FSU,Georgia,LSU,Tennessee,South Carolina,Auburn, UAB,Kentucky. BYU wouldn't win half those games. SO your telling me since BYU a never been to a BCS game program is at the point where the fans are pointing the fingers saying "Look at the SEC schools they don't play anyone"? REally?

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 9, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    BYU's way of beefing up their schedule is scheduling 4 WAC teams or 4 automatic wins. Something to really beat your chest about.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    June 9, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    Thomas5

    Let's not forget that teams have launched national championship seasons in September and October. BYU's Friday night games will be prime time games with almost no competition. Game reports and highlights from those games will be replayed in the Saturday morning Game Day broadcasts.

    BYU having to win to take advantage of exposure is no different than any other team. Depending on how the season plays out, Texas or Florida or Oregon or Ohio State losing in September could be just as detrimental to the NC aspirations of those teams as a September loss would be for BYU.

    Except a relatively meaningless conference championship (on a national scale), you could make the argument that a single loss for any team could make the rest of the season "irrelevant", an after thought, according to you.

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    June 9, 2011 12:41 p.m.

    So Utah beefing up ther schedule includes teams like Montana, and Washington st

  • bmoncur RIVERTON, UT
    June 9, 2011 1:11 p.m.

    @ crowntown1: Once again, most of the negative comments on this article have nothing to do with the point the article is trying to make. We aren't talking about strength of schedule here. This is about exposure. Did BYU schedule some cupcakes?

    Absolutely.

    No one is trying to deny that. Is an ESPN broadcast in early December something that BYU should be excited about?

    Definitely.

    Combating BYU's success with complaints about SoS is a pointless and ineffective argument.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 9, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    No one wants to see BYU beat up Wac teams and then get ran by bigger programs. How is that a win win. BYU is not Notre Dame. Someone explain that to BYU fans and good luck they think they are soooo irrelevant in College football. But their not but their fans will argue to the death about how great they are. I don't care about 84! Have you won any thing lately??? HAve you produced 1st round players, have you beaten a top 5 team. They will counter with their 11-2 or 12-1 seasons where they ended up playing a middle of the road pac 10 program in the Vegas bowl and winning.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 9, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    crowntown1

    More Ute logic:

    "No one wants to see BYU beat up Wac teams and then get ran by bigger programs."

    Which must be why ESPN is investing Saturday time slots to showing their games.

    " Someone explain that to BYU fans and good luck they think they are soooo irrelevant in College football."

    Which must be why ESPN is investing Saturday time slots to showing their games.

    "They will counter with their 11-2 or 12-1 seasons where they ended up playing a middle of the road pac 10 program in the Vegas bowl and winning."

    Remind us again, Crowntown, how your Utes did last year at said Vegas bowl.

  • bmoncur RIVERTON, UT
    June 9, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    crowntown1:

    I think you meant "relevant", not "irrelevant"...but that's beside the point. You are way off topic. No one is talking about "how great we are". Again, this is about exposure. This article boils down to 2 main points:

    1) BYU's increase in exposre is fantastic for the University and its football program.

    2) BYU did an excellent job in manufacturing that increased exposure.

    If you or anyone else disgrees with those two points, then please tell us why. I would love to debate an argument that actually has to do with the article.

  • Captain Caveman Provo, Utah
    June 9, 2011 2:24 p.m.

    bmoncur

    Well stated. They won't, of course, they are just here to "troll up" the boards as usual.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 9, 2011 4:17 p.m.

    crowntown1,

    Since you are such an expert at scheduling, I suppose that YOU could have done a better job putting together a tough schedule for BYU with less than a year's notice? Never mind the fact that most schedules are almost finalized by that time, and most games are scheduled about two years in advance.

    Considering the amount of time and the situation they were in, BYU did an amazing job putting together a schedule this year, and future schedules will NOT be as weak as these next two years (BYU will not be playing multiple WAC teams after that). The nation knows BYU's situation, and I don't think they will be as anti-BYU as you are.

  • ram Saint George, UT
    June 9, 2011 6:24 p.m.

    byu has done a great job with there schedule to gain exposure 7 games on espn networks is great. As for there strenth of schedule byu schedule is tougher than boise st last year and they rode espn to a nat championship byu has a chance to do the same this year boise would not have been talked about as much last year had they been in the mtn this year they will find that out. that all being said byu will probably lose some early games but at least they will be on tv and not on the mtn or versus or cbscs. byu and utah did a great job geting out of the mtn conference good luck to both schools it will be nice to see some college football this fall

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    June 9, 2011 6:40 p.m.

    Chris B., How did your last Ute football prediction turn out, and what channel did we watch the ewe wet itself on national TV.

    Utes 34
    Boise 24

    One of the most laughable predictions ever, a classic from Crissy.

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 9, 2011 8:06 p.m.

    ESPN? So what? We're in the PAC-12!

  • There's always room for Jello Salt Lake City, UT
    June 9, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    ESPN? So what? We're in the PAC-12 where we get to compete with Colorado and watch our games on Versus. We're definitely not jealous of BYU. YOu can tell by our many, many posts on these articles that we are NOT jealous.

    Nobody will probably watch your ol' games anyhow!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 9, 2011 10:57 p.m.

    Howard S. | 11:59 p.m. June 8, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    @Mountainman56

    "BYU could easily be part of a BCS conference..."
    **********

    "Funny... If you could you would.

    But no power conference wants you... sorry..."

    Wow, that response wasn't predictable. Let me elucidate. By the criteria that should have, and historically have been used to make decisions about conference invitations, BYU could easily be part of a BCS conference.
    Let's compare BYU and Utah:

    Conference championships in all sports - Winner BYU
    National rankings in all sports - Winner BYU
    National championships in all sports - Winner BYU
    National individual awards - Winner BYU
    Ticket sales (home and away) - Winner BYU
    Fan base - Winner BYU
    Athletic Facilities - Winner BYU

    Were those the criteria used in deciding who to extend PAC 12 invitations to?
    Clearly not. These were the criteria used:

    Willing to play on Sunday - Winner Utah
    Didn't support Prop.8 - Winner Utah
    Not owned by a conservative religious organization - Winner Utah

    So congratulations Utah, you fit the mold and BYU didn't. However from a competitive stand point and every other athletic point of view, BYU far outpaces Utah and therefore "could easily be part of a BCS conference."

  • Bubba14 PROVO, UT
    June 9, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    RE: There's always room for jello.

    If your posting many times on here, then you are jealous. Nobody watches a channel about hunting deer or hockey. It's pretty much the mtn 2.0 on VERSUS LOL. Enjoy it!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    June 9, 2011 11:13 p.m.

    Continued:

    Go ahead and tell us all about how Utah's two amazing BCS bowl wins are far superior to all of BYU's athletic accomplishments over many decades. Yes they were great accomplishments but not even in the ballpark with BYU's and more importantly not a factor in the PAC 12 invitation. If you don't believe that, tell me how many BCS bowl games Colorado has won or even played in - yet, they also got the PAC 12 invitation.

    The criteria used to make those invitations actually shouldn't be surprising given the obvious level of hypocrisy in NCAA athletics in general and the BCS in particular. They are a group that has predetermined who is allowed to compete for the national championship in football and who isn't. Any organization that automatically eliminates almost half of it's members from having a fair opportunity to compete is clearly hypocritical and self-serving.
    The lack of integrity and fairness in college football is truly appalling - just look at USC, Ohio State and the Fiesta Bowl as exhibits 1,2, & 3. They will all get a slap on the wrist and will continue business as usual.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 9, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    @uteology
    BYU has beat 2 ranked teams since 1996 (#22 TCU 2006 and #18 Utah 2009)... notice no BCS team.

    Check your facts before you type. Oregon State was ranked when we creamed them in the Las Vegas Bowl. They were one win away from going to the Rose Bowl. I think the Beavers are in a BCS Conference, aren't they? Oklahoma was ranked #3 when we beat them in Cowboy stadium. Are they a BCS team?

    I only hope that the Utes somehow get a win against USC this year, so we can have a win over a ranked BCS team on September 17. But I'm guessing USC will be the victor, taking the Utes out of the rankings, giving BYU just another win against an unranked BCS team - i.e. Washington (2x), UCLA(2x) and Arizona.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 9, 2011 11:40 p.m.

    Thomas5

    It's already been said, bur what the heck! Schools out, it's a nice night.

    Winning is the only thing it's about. Lose and we're out of the running, acknowledged.

    But you don't think 5 national televised games in a row, if they win them, won't jack BYU's stock through the stratosphere? Remember that in November people seek out the top ten each week if only hoping to see that they lost so their team can gain ground.

    And as the weeks wind down, there is still that Hawaii game to look forward to. Yes, not many east coasters will stay up, but if BYU is undefeated to that point (I know, big if) then that game becomes pretty big.

    Dreamin? Yes! Dream big or go home! Not bad for little ole BYU that nobody wants.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    June 10, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Thank you BYU and ESPN. I cannot wait to see the games televised now. The MTN is gone thank goodness.

    In it's first year of Independence, BYU has put together quite a good, no, great season full of very worthy opponents and it will get better.

    Wow, blessed to be a BYU fan!

  • There's always room for Jello Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Bubba14

    That was the point....

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    June 10, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Uteology:

    What network is the utah pitt game on?

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 10, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    Re: Mountain man56

    Either did your boy Steve Young. YOung is a no on numero ocho.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 10, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Bubba14

    Doewn't matter what channel you play on, only mormon/ BYU fans care about BYU football. YOu play a few good teams and then WAC. Your gonna be out of any BCS conversation by October.ENJOY!

  • pabellon Salt Lake City, UT
    June 10, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    crowntown1

    Hmmm ... let's review, shall we?

    BYU goes Independent. Ute trolls respond that the program will die in tv oblivion and that both Bronco and Tom Holmoe will be fired soon.

    BYU picks up a fantastic partnership with ESPN for Football. Ute trolls respond all year that the games will only be shown mid-week and on obscure "cooking show" channels.

    BYU begins to schedule games (despite the predictions of said trolls). Ute trolls respond that the Cougars will never play in another bowl game and that no good team will ever schedule them unless it is a 2-for-1.

    BYU sets up bowl opportunities for themselves (including an agreement with the BCS for eligibility into BCS bowls) AND good teams begin to schedule them for home and homes. Ute trolls ignore future schedules and focus on this one that Tom was able to make happen despite a very short timeline to do so and other teams having this year scheduled years ago.

    Now, through the WCC, BYU has a wonderful 8 year contract with ESPN for basketball. Ute trolls try to compare it with the PAC's deal for football.

    You're always wrong. ENJOY!

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    June 10, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    crowntown1

    Nice ute response. Now let's tell the WHOLE story. Steve Young's wife who is a convert and has a homosexual brother was opposed to Prop. 8. Steve said that he needed to support his then pregnant WIFE and he would not discuss Prop. 8.

    Abstaining to keep the pregnant wife happy is NOT the same as opposing said Proposition.

    Not that your response has ANYTHING to do with either the article nor Mountainman's comment.... But what else is new?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    June 11, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    crowntown1,

    Do we have to spoon-feed you the facts, or can you discover the truth on your own? If only BYU fans cared about BYU football and NOBODY else did, then WHY on earth did ESPN choose to sign this contract with BYU?

    ESPN clearly stated that they signed the contract with BYU because it is good business for them (in other words, BYU is RELEVENT!).

    From the article announcing the deal:

    " "We're anxious to rekindle that partnership and be able to come back to BYU with every game here over the next eight years," said ESPN's Brown. "That's something we're really looking forward to. We have had a great relationship with BYU over the years thanks in part to LaVell Edwards, who gave us so many signature games in the past that really put ESPN on the map in terms of being a college football destination network."

    Brown noted that BYU's upset of Oklahoma last season was ESPN's ninth highest-rated game of the 2009 regular season. "

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 11, 2011 8:58 p.m.

    crowntown1 | 10:51 a.m. June 10, 2011
    "Doewn't matter what channel you play on, only mormon/ BYU fans care about BYU football. YOu play a few good teams and then WAC. Your gonna be out of any BCS conversation by October."

    For starters, can you start using a spell checker? You and hh have so many spelling errors it's hard to understand what you're saying.

    Second, BYU on ESPN have been among the most watched games. Check the ratings for BYU vs Oklahoma in 2009. More viewers than the Texas vs Oklahoma game.

    Third, definition of a few is "a relatively small number, usually three". I know Texas, TCU and Ole Miss are good teams. I believe Oregon State, UCF and Hawaii will be good teams this year. Are you inferring that Utah is not a good team? Because if they are a good team, that would be seven which is more than "a few".

    Fourth, if BYU is in BCS conversations through October, that will be four months longer than U. Nobody believes U will go to a BCS bowl this year. Oregon or Stanford or possibly both (if two) will go from PAC.