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America and the meaning of a Mormon president

Would Romney's election signal an end to anti-Mormonism?

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  • Wolfgang57 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 1:15 a.m.

    While asking Americans to rise above religious bias, as was done when Catholic John Kennedy was elected President, it is doubtful that Mormons in government offices will themselves honor separation of church and state. In Utah, alcohol laws are dictated by Mormon belief because the majority of legislators are Mormon and do everything they can to restrict alcohol sales. Proof: If the legislature was made up of mostly Catholics or Buddhists, would the alchohol laws be the same? No way. The law gets as close to Mormon doctrine as it can. Mormon politicians, for the most part, vote whatever will make their religious leaders happy. If you want to elect people who honor separation of church and state, you don't elect Mormons. It's their official doctrine that they will take over the U.S. and they have no qualms about passing laws guided only by their religious beliefs

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    June 3, 2011 6:12 a.m.

    The headlines to this article are telling. That is why he won't get elected. Methodists, catholics, etc., would never ever like such a headline. But here it is ok. Too provincial, too ... well, Mormon.

    Obama will win again.

  • johhen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 6:45 a.m.

    When I hear conservative commentators saying President Obama isn't a "real American" and all the other "birther" nonsense I question whether our country has really gone beyond racial prejudice.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    June 3, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    Best of luck, Mitt. Looking at our economy and looking at your track record of turnaround, you are the right choice.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:23 a.m.

    No one knows at this point whether Mitt can be elected or not. NO ONE! Obama is doing such a terrible job that even evangelicals might be willing to put their ignorance and prejudice aside and vote for a Mormon. No one knows what will happen. But, I think Mitt does have a real shot this time. It would show that America has really made a lot of progress.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    June 3, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    I don't know that there is a strong anti-mormon bias in this country, it's just that we don't tend to trust people who have beliefs that we don't understand, We also like to affiliate with people who have similar cultural backgrounds. You can see this in the overwhelming support among Republican Mormons for Mitt. I don't think they are anti-non-mormon, they just like someone like themselves.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    A couple of thoughts. Trotting out black Mormons who support President Obama to add credibility to the argument of electing a Mormon president (who would have to defeat President Obama), takes a lot of gall by this newspaper. Will you stop at nothing? Second, if Mormons want mainstream acceptance, electing a Mormon Democrat as President would do more for that cause than electing someone like Romney who merely reinforces the stereotypes. Utah can't even elect a Democrat to the Senate and sends extreme conservatives to the Senate (when Hatch is too liberal for Utah, that's a perfect sign that Utah is out of the mainstream). Mormons want mainstream acceptance, yet they are firmly planted on the right extreme of of the political spectrum, based on their voting. Mormons as a whole don't even care much for Democrats in their midst. How will this ever lead to mainstream acceptance?

  • unaffiliated_person Saratoga Springs, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:47 a.m.

    CNN is running a front page poll on their website asking if America is ready for a Mormon president. As of this posting, 59% say no. Since when does religion or ethnicity matter in the candidate? Are we Americans becoming more prejudiced as time goes on? Imagine if JFK were not elected because he was Catholic and not Protestant like the majority of the US at the time.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    I'd vote for Huntsman but never Romney.

    @Cats; Obama is doing a much better job than his predecessor, and I sincerely doubt that buy-em and break-em-up and cut-the-staff Romney would do any better.

  • kirae TRAVERSE CITY, MI
    June 3, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    It takes almost a century to prepare a person for a time in history. With politics and the auto industry DNA in his blood, experience as a successful businessman, having advanced degrees in business and law from Harvard, being an articulate author and speaker, elected governor in one of the most liberal states in our nation, showing fidelity to his wife and family, serving our nation by saving the Olympics, serving honorably in many church callings including as a Stake President, Romney has been prepared for this time of economic crisis. We don't have time to raise up another with such credentials. Mormon or not, we can unite behind this most uniquely qualified canidate for President of the United States of America.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    June 3, 2011 8:08 a.m.

    @ Wolfgang57 | 1:15 a.m. June 3, 2011

    Ever think that Utah's Mormon legislators might vote through things the Mormons want NOT from pressure from the Church, but that those votes reflect the desires of their constituency - which is overwhelmingly LDS in the state?

    Now I know SLC is not overwhelmingly LDS. But the state is. Somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Where's the salsa?

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    June 3, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    And the hand wringing continues......

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    June 3, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    I understand that many have a hard time with LDS beliefs. But all religious beliefs can seem strange and illogical to others in the same way. For example, millions are just fine with a Catholic candidate who believes the wafer and wine he takes on Sunday literally turns into the body and blood of Christ as he consumes it. No discarded logic there. But a Mormon candidate who believes Joseph Smith came up with new scripture from golden plates? No - that is just asking us to bend logic way too much!

    It is just so interesting how humans can become absolutely comfortable with their own religious beliefs regardless the mental gymnastics required while finding other's so strange and unacceptable. LDS obviously do the same thing.

  • ClarkKent Bountiful, Utah
    June 3, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    "You'd be surprised," said Feldman, "by how many people pride themselves on having no prejudices at all but preserve a little place in their heart for this kind of soft anti-Mormon prejudice."

    That is an interesting quote in the article. It probably comes as no surprise to many by how many mormons pride themselves on having no prejudice at all but perserve a little place in their heart for pro-mormon prejudice when it comes to election decisions.

    I am active LDS, but I don't vote according to what church someone visits on Saturday or Sunday.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    June 3, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    @ CaliforniaCougar,
    your right on the money, no pun intended. It the economy and that is what Americans want is a turn around not another down turn. this Election is Mitts to lose.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    June 3, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    RanchHand
    Cut the staff is what this country needs right now. When you have at least 5 departments doing the same job you are wasting money. If we cutt alot of these government jobs and make them go back into the real world we will need less tax money to pay the ev er increasing government payrole. We can then let companies get back to what they are supposed mto do, create jobs from the private sectore not pay more and moe taxes for the government to make jobs that only cause us to go farther into debt.

  • whoisjohngalt Holladay, UT
    June 3, 2011 8:28 a.m.

    If he never talks about defending the United States Constitution I don't care if he's LDS. I'm LDS and I support Ron Paul!

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    June 3, 2011 8:52 a.m.

    J-TX: insightful, astute comment.

    liberal larry: have you ever lived outside the state of Utah? In central IL, they still have anti-Mormon presentations at many local evangelical churches. A Lutheran minister told one of my children, "All Mormons are going to hell." One of the high school teachers, made the comment, "Mormons are like Nazis." With many similar experiences, I can verify that anti-Mormon feelings are alive and well in Illinois.

    What is interesting to me is that this primary provides not one, but two potential Mormon presidential candidates.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 3, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Being Mormon should not be a reason for voting against or for a candidate. Senator Smoot was a Mormon in high standing in the Church yet, if the economic historians are correct, the tariff bill he authored was unwise and the major cause of the Great Depression. However, being a Mormon should help assure that the candidate is honest, sincere and not willing to sell his soul for money. If Senator Smoot was indeed wrong, he certainly was not alone. Hopefully the nation learned from it. Senator Reid and Mitt Romney do not see eye to eye and how could that be expected of them. A good open-minded debate between them should be informative, however. The perception that the GOP stands for Gods Own Party is a mystery to me. A Mormon, by definition, means believing in the Book of Mormon and that Book, in my opinion, does not support that perception.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    I thought a person's religion 'didn't matter.'

    And now we have an article about what might happen if we had a Mormon president.

    'Obama is doing such a terrible job that...' - Cats | 7:23 a.m. June 3, 2011

    Reply facts:

    *'Last U.S. combat brigade leaves Iraq' - By Rebecca Santana - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/19/10
    'Seven years and five months after the U.S.-led invasion, the last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq, well ahead of President Barack Obama's Aug. 31 deadline for ending U.S. combat operations there.'

    *'Deportation of illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration' - By Peter Slevin - 07/26/10 - Washington Post

    *Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women (Lilly Ledbetter Bill) (2009)

    *Appointed Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina, to the Supreme Court (2009)

    *After organizing studies on the topic in 2009, tasked the Pentagon to eliminate Dont Ask, Dont Tell (2010)

    *'Gadhafi asks Obama to stop' - By Matthew Lee - AP - Published by DSNews - 04/06/2011

    *Bin Ladens death boosts Navy Seal museum in Fla By Matt Sedensky AP Published by DSNews 05/31/11

    Good day.

  • LeDoc SLC, UT
    June 3, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    I think the title of this article is itself a tad upside down. If Romney (or any other member of the LDS church) were to be elected President he (hopefully) won't be a "Mormon President" but rather a president who happens to be a Mormon. I hope everybody who votes (and I hope that Utahn's actually get out and VOTE in '12) will vote for the person they think will do the best job for the nation. Just being a member of the LDS church does not in and of itself mean that they would be a good ANYTHING! The LDS church is no different from any other; which I mean it is full of people...imperfect people.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    June 3, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    This election will come down to one thing who will do the best job with the suffering American economy. The Obama administration has made so many promises but hasnt followed through, granted this was a mess started by the administration prior but we need someone as our leader who can fix problems now, instead of giving a guy who hasnt proven anything yet another four years. I side neither with republicans or democrats, I honestly thought Obama would prove critics wrong but he continues to disapoint.
    Romney knows business, he knows how to be an effective leader. He will get the job done and continue to silence his critics if elected. You can claim he didnt do a good job in Massachusetts as governor, thats your opinion but not what the majority of the state thought. I went door to door for two years hearing how much residents of Mass loved Romney. Again liberals are scared of him because he is honestly the best GOP for the job. This whole religious debacle is getting old, lets just elect the best man for president.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    June 3, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Pagan those are good things I agree but how is this helping the gigantic the U.S. is in? Any president would have gave the go ahead for Bin Ladens death and done their best with any of these issues. We need help now not another four years of empty promises.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    June 3, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    As a young non-Mormon adult, who married a Mormon, I quickly learned that the Mormon religion was very different from my Catholic upbringing. The Mormon religion is much more than just a religion. It is very much a lifestyle.
    As a result of moving to Provo, Utah, from Southern Calif., I had to change the way I dressed, be careful of the things I said, do away with Sunday entertainment, forget any trip to a grocery store for an occasional bottle of wine, learn to have a polite reply of why I did not wish to attend the the LDS Church and their related activities, be kind, but let the young men who came to the door, that, "I was not interested in the Mormon Religion". These examples of Utah Mormon life could go on and on............
    A Mormon President will not work in a country where we were meant to have freedom of choice.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    June 3, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    Debt sorry I left that out

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 9:41 a.m.

    'Pagan those are good things I agree but how is this helping the gigantic Debt the U.S. is in? We need help now not another four years of empty promises.' - Utes21 | 9:23 a.m. June 3, 2011

    I agree debt is a problem. And has it only been a problem since Obama was in office?

    No.

    George W. Bush doubled the debt and Regan tripled it.

    Is debt Obama's problem like Afhganinstan and Iraq?

    Yes and no. Obama is responsible for cleaning up the mess of others. Not it's creation. And yet people choose to place the blame of these problems at Obama's feet.

    Just two example:

    *Bush signs $700 billion bailout bill AP Published by Denver Post By Tom Raum 10/03/08

    *'Univ. of Maryland study finds Fox News viewers to be misinformed on key issues' - By Ryan Witt - Examiner - 12/17/10
    'Over 40% of respondents said President Obama started TARP even though TARP was signed into law by President Bush on October 3rd of 2008.'

    And how is Obama 'failing promises?'

    I just gave you SEVEN fufilled promises!

    I cannot debat the merits of those promises if you ignore them.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    June 3, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    Would Romney's election signal an end to anti-Mormonism, not if he pulled this on us all. Would he still be as crooked as all the rest were?. One can't be a Mormon and believe in abortion. Speaker Boehner thinks he's is correct on the economics?. Then share this with Paul Ryan and the Republicans in the House. Social Security Trust Fund in bad shape due to government stealing the funds. Coburn says under Democrat and Republican Presidencies and Democrat and Republican Congresses, they have all stolen money from the social security trust fund. The Oklahoma Republican says the money is gone and has been spent for another purpose. It was supposed to be spent exclusively for Social Security, but the money from the social security tax hike went into the general fund. That money went into the pockets of rich people who got income tax cuts. The cap needs to be lifted so that people who are millionaires are paying more on their social security. If that change was made social security would be fixed for eternity and there would be enough revenue for decades and decades down the road. RAISE THIS CAP RIGHT NOW.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    June 3, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    @no fit in SG
    So you are claiming Mormons dont have freedom of choice? Its not new to know that if you are a practicing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints you will have to live a lifestyle thats in harmony with the gospel. Their are still many people who dont but thats between them and God and none of our business.
    You made the decision to marry a member nobody forced you to make that decision. Part of being married to someone who is opposite faith is to compromise. Seems like no one has forced you to do those things you mentioned, you have made compromises with your spouse instead. No one forced you to be polite or to not go to the store on sunday, you did this because your just trying to please your spouse, not the LDS church. I commend you for loving your spouse but you still have your freedom to do whatever you like and so does everyone else, member and non member alike. Again religion has nothing to do with how well a person can run this country.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    June 3, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    no fit in SG
    So at what point was your freedom of choice taken away? You were not forced to join the LDS Church. You were not forced to attend LDS Church activities. Is it because you were nice? even that was not FORCED upon you. You were nice be cause you thought it was the right thing to do.

  • K0NOD SYRACUSE, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    "The LDS Church has suffered greater religious persecution in its history than any other religious group in American history," said Harvard law professor Noah Feldman, a practicing Jew. "For a member of the LDS Church to be elected president, or honestly even just to come close, would represent in some important way a repudiation of prejudice. And make no mistake about it," Feldman warned, "that prejudice is real."

  • Belching Cow Sandy, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    It's amazing how many things I learn about my religion from reading the DN comment boards. Today I learned that I am against freedom of choice. I can only remember being taught the exact opposite but here it is right on the DN comment boards so it must be true.

  • katamb-midvale Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    I'm going to vote for a good moral person who loves America as much as I do, no matter what their gender, religion, hair color, etc.

    P.S. Just go to the "Christian" bookstore on 7th East and about 8600 South - they have books on the shelf of how to talk to Latter-day Saints, so obviously they are talking about it in other churches.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    June 3, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    Romney (BYU)
    Huntsman (Utah)

    Go Cougars!!

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    Sad to say, but Romney doesn't have a chance. The Southern Evangelicals will never vote for a Mormon.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    June 3, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    Most American voters want a candidate and president with a logical and true sense of reality. For most Americans Mormonism lacks truth, and is far from reality.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    June 3, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    Sorry Utah, I worship Jesus Christ, not a RINO named Mitt Romney. If a Latter-day Saint were elected president, it would represent another example of how America has grown up about these issues, yea right, and if DN's icon, Mitt (flip flop) Romney was elected, would the Mormon Prophet Joseph F. Smith roll over in his grave ashamed?. I think so. What we need is a no garbage war hero, with guts and brains. Romney is just a Repubocrat. There is little difference between him and Democrats. Romney is no different from the predatory mortgage flippers who killed our economy. Romney's Bain Capital was a flipping operation. Buy a company on margin, fire all the employees so the cash flow and balance sheets look stunning, and then sell it off at a huge profit. There is literally no new value created. I am personally acquainted with a few of his private capital buddies, and I can tell you this is their philosophy. Romney is all empty ambition and greed and personal entitlement. He's also for abortions. We could go on, but I'm only allowed 200 words here. Like it or not, thats MY VIEWS.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    I want to see Obama debate the Republican candidate without teleprompters! We are all weary of the Obama ultra expensive vacations, daily television viewing of his umpteenth speech, misadventures with heads of state, and his extreme big government/leftist agenda, etc.

    I want a real president who knows how to handle the economy, openly loves our country, and has the genuine smarts to help business grow real jobs for many who are hurting with lost income and homes. I think Mitt Romney is the man with all those qualifications. He happens to be a strong member of his own Christian faith which should be appealing to Americans as well. That conviction alone will show confidence to thoughtful, caring Americans who have been down a very thorny path for the past 2 1/2 years!

    I also like the fact that he has come out swinging at the most vulnerable missteps of Obama with a plan to correct them and set this country on the right course again. Go Mitt!

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    June 3, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    Pagan:

    Just off the top of my head - Unfulfilled Obama promises include:

    Unemployment under 8% if the stimulus is passed. No where near....
    Cheaper health care for all if Obamacare is passed. - Mine just went up 17%!
    Bring our troops home from wars on 2 fronts - we are now on 4 fronts.
    Close Guantanamo - Will never happen
    Make the US more respected worldwide - hard to do when our T-Bills are junk bonds
    ETC....

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    Why bring religion to the forefront? All that should matter is who is the best candidate for the job. I think that the LDS religion can be its own worst enemy with this topic. Does the election of Obama mean that racial discrimination is no longer an issue? No. Would the election of a Mormon to the office of President mean there is no longer discrimination against Mormons? No.

    I think the LDS religion in its effort to get headlines can sometimes force the issue and create the problems. Talking with friends who aren't members, it doesn't look good to them when Utah votes 89% for Romney in the last primary. It looks pretty close-minded and just voting for him for the fact that he is LDS.

    The inconsistency of proclaiming political neutrality but having the lower leadership and culture push conservatism makes it tough for anyone outside the religion to respect it. How is Romneycare different than Obamacare? Why is it OK for Mitt to be pro-choice when he was Governor of Massachusetts? Harry Reid's record as a senator leans more conservative than Romney's governorship. Hypocrisy is the problem, not prejudice.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    June 3, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Yes, there is freedom of choice, but..............
    Having been here in Utah since 1972, I have much experience with what a Non-Mormon deals with.
    Utah is very different from any other state or environment in America. Mormons settled here to be able to live "in their own way and follow the advice of their leaders without being persecuted". Both Mr. Romney and Mr. Huntsman hail from these early Mormon families.
    I am definitely not the first person to feel "less than" or "something must be wrong with her" when I do not embrace the religion.
    Voters need to question how and why the Utah State government and Legislators,( who are a Mormon majority) make their decisions. Let's discuss the influence the LDS Church has upon that.
    Mr. Romney does appear to be a strong Mormon who is a proud follower of his Mormon heritage and Mormon lifestyle.

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    I know this is a little diffrent because I am LDS, but I don't care if Mitt was not LDS he can turn this train wreck we call an economy around,and that is all that matters to me. I am tired of living in the greatest country in the world and worrying about my family ($) and my kids future (which is already over their heads in debt)and wondering what is next. This is America lets get this train back on track and show the world we are a country to follow.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:56 a.m.

    Wolfgang57 has written a post that is the classic example how anti Mormons distort and twist the beliefs and actions of the LDS Church and people. This is why we have such a hard time with prejudice and religious bigotry. As long as detractors keep spewing how this garbage, it's going to be a challenge.

    The laws in this state reflect the values of the community at large. That's how it works in every jurisdiction in this country. It has nothing to do with seperation of Church and state or anyone being oppressed by the majority.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    June 3, 2011 12:07 p.m.

    "have you ever lived outside the state of Utah? In central IL, they still have anti-Mormon presentations at many local evangelical churches. A Lutheran minister told one of my children, "All Mormons are going to hell." One of the high school teachers, made the comment, "Mormons are like Nazis." metamoracoug

    "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
    -    Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
    "Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."
    -    Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
    Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.
    -    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
    "...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
    -    Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60
    Be Honest DN, print both sides of the story!

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    June 3, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Despite the language of Article VI of the Constitution, there exists a very real religious test for higher office in this country. Let's be honest, you have to profess Christianity, whether real or feigned, to be elected to national office. Personally, the men who have held office of president in my lifetime, with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter, have all feigned Christianity for the sole purpose of connecting with that large chunk of the American electorate for whom religious beliefs trump ideas, intelligence, and vision. The irony is, and despite the bloated statements by some that the United States is a "Christian country", the social Darwinism in this country evidenced by the fact that we refuse to take care of the most vulnerable among us, is the antithesis to the words presumably expressed by the religion's founder. Excuse me, but who really cares about Romney's religious views when his political views were all about flip flops on healthcare, gay rights, pro choice rights and on and on?. 1982 to 1985, Mr. Romney served as the bishop at his church in Belmont, Mass. After that, he served nine years as "stake" president, HE IS FOR ABORTIONS?.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    June 3, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Utes 21,
    I agree with what you say except you had to let yous Hannityism show with your comment that liberals are afraid of him. Be open minded, watch something else every so often, and observe from the comments that it is the conservatives who fear him most. And he will be a good president because of that.

  • Joggle Clearfield, UT
    June 3, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    I agree with "no fit in SG" to the extent that the Mormon culture is also a lifestyle. I'm married to a former Mormon and moved here from a state back east. Moving here was and is a culture shock because of the dominant religion. I have often felt like an outsider in Utah, but I'd rather be that than to have the LDS patriarchy try to control and influence my life to the extent that they do when it comes to its members. I, too have had to deal with the harassment by the Church to try to get my husband to return when he continuously said "NO". I'm very uncomfortable with his Mormon family because I feel their supposed acceptance is not sincere. Yes, Mormons have a choice, but as an outside observer....I often see conflict and worry in those choices because of the high expectations and pressure exuded by the Church. Although "no fit in SG" does have a choice....the culture and the lifestyle does affect his choices.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    June 3, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    If Romney can cure his flip flopping I will vote for him. So far so good

  • tmaxr Santa Rosa, Ca
    June 3, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    Utes21:

    " ... religion has nothing to do with how well a person can run this country."

    Really?

    If you believe God will protect us from oil well blowouts, coal mine explosions and terrorists crashing jets into buildings (as President Bush did) you'll allow deregulation to make those disasters more likely. Clinton is just as guilty, signing NAFTA into law and deregulating banks (Glass-Stegall), bringing on the current depression.

    You may imagine God protects you, but if you remove all safeguards, you guarantee disaster. Having faith is fine, it gives a lot of people comfort and a sense of certainty. But if you're certain God will protect us, (as George Bush was) and you are wrong, you will allow another 9/11.

    Faith helps people who suffer from excessive self-doubt, but self-doubt isn't a problem for politicians. They have too much self-confidence, and too little knowledge. I want a president who lives in the real world and doesn't expect Magic Sky Daddy to save us from hurricanes, nuclear meltdowns, tornadoes, terrorists, tainted food, climate change, quakes or his own stupidity.

    Religion is a huge factor in how well you run a country.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    June 3, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    WE all know, this is another Romney flip flop lie, but I'll prove it anyway just the same. KSL News) Mitt Romney says leaders of the LDS Church will have no influence on government policy if he is elected. He also said LDS Church leaders would not try to influence him?. Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman have many things in common. When it comes to illegal immigration they are miles apart. The LDS Church and Romney is for illegal immigration. Mitt Romney actively moved money offshore with his Bain Capital business and enabled investors to evade hundreds of millions of dollars in US income taxes. That is the trillion dollar game being played out with more money sitting in offshore bank accounts than the total GDP of the USA in 2010. When the rich do not pay their share of taxes, and more than two thirds of large US corporations paid no taxes last year, there is going to be a deficit and then you have the Republicans happy to wage war on the workers of this country as well as the sick and elderly. Romney is the poster child for the LDS Church. DNs flip flopping also?.

  • mkSdd3 Ogden, UT
    June 3, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    @Wolfgang57 | 1:15 a.m. June 3, 2011

    You need a history lesson. Prohibition was taken out of the constitution by a very close vote. It came down to one state's vote to keep it or get rid of it. That state was Utah and it voted to get rid of prohibition. Your accusations ring hallow and biased.

    You also stated, "It's their official doctrine that they will take over the U.S..." That statement is flat out false. There has never been any doctrine preached that Mormons will take over any political or governmental functions of the U.S.

    When you say things like this you are only fostering an attitude of contempt. If you are going to keep up attacking my religion, at least get your facts straight.

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    June 3, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    no fit in SG
    My father was a Baptist who lived in Utah from even longer than you and was married to an LDS wife with no problems. Has it ever acrossed your mind that the resone Utah laws are the way they are is not the religion of its polititions but rather their constituants?

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    *'Unemployment under 8% if the stimulus is passed. No where near....' - J-TX | 11:32 a.m. June 3, 2011

    How is 9.1% 'no where near' 8%?

    It is, a 1.1% difference.

    Compare to Clinton: who left Bush with a 4% unemployment and a surplus, to George W. Bush who left Obama with a 8% unemployment and a 'financial meltdown' and double the national debt.

    Your healthcare cost's have been going up...before healthcare reform. If you would remember.

    'The article by Himmelstein in this issue of the The American Journal of Medicine documents that health care expenses were the most common cause of bankruptcy in the United States in 2007, accounting for 62% of US bankruptcies compared with 8% in 1981.'

    What '4 fronts' are you talking about?

    Afghanistan and Iraq was the result of George Bush.

    On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against al-Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taleban regime in Afghanistan.'
    - GEORGE W. BUSH
    10/07/01

    And, zero troops in Libya.

    *'Gadhafi asks Obama to stop' - By Matthew Lee - AP - Published by DSNews - 04/06/2011

  • utahutefan3213 Clearfield, UT
    June 3, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    I would never ever vote for Romney... The guy just seems so off to me and almost acts like he wont be elected because he is Mormon. I really like Huntsman though.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 3, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    Meaning of a Mormon president?? Watch the evangelicals and all the looney Baptists put up barbed wire fences around their churches to keep their congragations from being captured by the mormon missionaries. YIKES!! Run for your lives - the Mormons are coming!!!

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    June 3, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    The prejudice against LDS shows in the comments of Wolgang57 and all those that 'recommended' it. It also shows in the comments by johhen. The prejudice is there just like with JFK but probably more intense against Mormons. And you can always count on the "Pagan". And yes, Obama is doing a terrible job, just look at the record. Your 'facts' only look at some of the things he has done, not the list of broken promises or failed economic policy. As Allen West (American American Congressman in FL) has said, "I can't stand this guy". And it doesn't have anything to do with race!

  • KC Mormon Edgerton, KS
    June 3, 2011 4:00 p.m.

    Pagan said "Compare to Clinton: who left Bush with a 4% unemployment and a surplus, to George W. Bush who left Obama with a 8% unemployment and a 'financial meltdown' and double the national debt."

    You forgot two big things Clinton left for Bush
    1- a recession
    2- al-qaeda

    These are two big things liberals forget to mention. Now did Bush handle everything right? NO. He did however have something that had to be handled called 9/11. He also ended Clintons recession quickly all while fighting the war on terror.
    Also Clinton did not leave bush a surples but rather a PROJECTED surplus. That means that if the Clinton recession had not happened and 9/11 had not happened there would have been a posiablity of a surplus but he did not leave an actual surplus.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    June 3, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    J-TX: "Ever think that Utah's Mormon legislators might vote through things the Mormons want NOT from pressure from the Church, but that those votes reflect the desires of their constituency - which is overwhelmingly LDS in the state?

    Now I know SLC is not overwhelmingly LDS. But the state is. Somebody has a chip on their shoulder. Where's the salsa?"
    -------
    This is an interesting argument, and even a valid one. But how many of you out there nodding in agreement also condemned Rocky Anderson for everything he did? When he was protesting President Bush, did you shake your head and feel he was doing a bad job. I'll bet many of you did. Yet, he was serving his constituency, which is largely liberal and democratic.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    June 3, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    Once again, we want it both ways. We want to declare to ourselves the Mormon status as a "peculiar people", but then also want to be seen really as just like everyone else. If we had the courage of our convictions, we would simply never worry about who was affiliated with which religious tradition. We'd simply do what's right, letting the consequence follow. Just as importantly, we wouldn't be deceived by the Righteous Right Rumor of the Day, usually regarding the President, quoted on these posts every SINGLE day. Instead of inviting the world to join us, we seem to be petitioning them to let us join them on the same terms as everyone else. We don't, frankly, know where the Gospel ends and our own opinions begin. I have complete sympathy for the confusion about Mormons.

  • JeanPierre Mesa, AZ
    June 3, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    Mitt Romney and I believe also Jon Huntsman Jr. have evidenced a lack of faith in their religion. Romney stated in a TV'd interview that doesnt know if God has spoken to anyone since Moses or PERHAPS others, which leaves two options available: 1.) He is telling the truth and doesnt know much about the religion he professes to be a part of, or 2.) He is too afraid to admit that he believes the Gospel. And in a recent article for TIME, Melinda Henneberger asked Jon Huntsman if he still belongs to the Church of Latter-day Saints, to which he replied: Im a very spiritual person (as opposed to a religious one?), and proud of my Mormon roots. The columnist saw the vagueness of the answer and asked: Roots? That makes it sound as if youre not a member anymore. Are you? Former Governor Huntsmans reply was extremely revealing in its non-committal nature, Thats tough to define, he said. There are varying degrees. I come from a long line of saloon keepers and proselytizers, and I draw from both sides. Both are por representatives of the LDS Church.

  • RantBully Bend, OR
    June 3, 2011 4:32 p.m.

    For all of those who complain about Utah having strict liquor laws, let me point out that many places in the mid-west and southern United States are more strict than Utah. Those localities choose to make local restrictions that are a reflection of the will of the local community. These same locations are more likely to be strong Bible-belt type communities. So where is the same outrage expressed towards them as shown to the Utah legislator? The Utah legislator is elected by the will of Utah's people. That will brings with it an inherent right to modify liquor laws as desired. Quit bashing the people of Utah for using their political voice to pass laws that reflect their desires. A similar community standard exists for other issues like definitions of pornography and obscenity (that is local standards govern what is and is not acceptable). Utah's people have the right to define liquor laws they find acceptable. I live in Oregon and I don't always like the will of the people around me, but if I don't like it, I have a choice to get more active in the community or move out.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 3, 2011 5:28 p.m.

    Both LDS candidates are not great. Romney flip flops! There is no such thing as a two party system anymore.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 3, 2011 5:37 p.m.

    RE: Pagan

    YOur points, as usuual do NOT tell the TRUE story.

    unemployment under bush did NOT go up ( it hovered around 5 percent most of his term) until the democrats took control of congress, (do you think they had something to do with it?)

    Obama has added more debt than any president in history, in fact more than most of all them combined, (play with stats all you want)

    Regarding the irag wand afghanistan wars, Obama is following the Bush plan, nothing has really changed,

    Obama has ignored the constitution, something he does a lot (including the patriot act), and has NOT gotten congessional approval for military action in libya.

    You can debate healthcare care, or insurance reform, all you want, but Obama care will destroy this country financially, socialized care, and socialism in general, is a demonstrated failure in england and other countries.

    But what all this got to do with the article???

    A Conservative Mormon president would do just fine as President.

    Romney would do well on economic issues,

    hunstman is just a rich playboy, who will do anything that is popular, not worth anyone's vote.

    Mormons come in both liberal and conservative flavors.

  • MidwestMormon Akron, OH
    June 3, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    Romney 2012.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    June 3, 2011 6:17 p.m.

    I hope the first elected LDS member to the office of POTUS will be a single, black, southern baptist convert woman with a Bachelors from MIT, JD from Harvard and a PhD from Yale in Economics. Seriously. Get it all out in one fell swoop, and lets move on.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    June 3, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Remember it the Economy economy the economy! anything out side of that is moot! with close to 20,000,000 citizens out of who lost their jobs that vote! will come to the polls and say am I better off now then I was in 2008? and they will vote for the new guy because the one in the white house has been on vacation more times then they the voter has gotten unemployment checks. when the first lady spends 70,000 dollars per day for a vacation that is a gross use of tax payer dollars that is more then most people make in a life time. this election is Mitts to lose. he will win if he keeps up the dangers and failures of Obamanomics.

  • Wastintime Los Angeles, CA
    June 3, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    A new poll conducted by Pew Research Center revealed:
    68% said they would not be more less likely to vote for a 2012 presidential candidate if he/she was Mormon.

    25% said they would be less likely to vote for a Mormon
    5% said they would be more likely to vote for a Mormon

    Among those polled:
    31% of Democrats said they would be less likely to vote for a Mormon
    23% Republicans said they would be less likely to vote for a Mormon
    20% of Independents said they would be less likely to vote for a Mormon.

    A greater distinction is revealed when respondents are sorted by their own religious affiliation. The greatest rate of negative response comes from white evangelicals with 34 percent saying they would be less likely to support a candidate who was Mormon. Meanwhile, only 16 percent of white Catholics say the same.
    (Pew: Republican Candidates Stir Little Enthusiasm)

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    "this Election is Mitts to lose. "

    In the last five polls released the winners were Trump, Huckabee, Romney (by 1 or 2), Giuliani, and Romney/Palin tied. Let's not annoint Mitt primary winner yet. He's polling near 16% which is extremely low for a frontrunner with high name recognition. Romneycare is really going to make things difficult for him.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    "Sad to say, but Romney doesn't have a chance. The Southern Evangelicals will never vote for a Mormon. "

    He'll get enough votes from them to win in the general (florida would be a problem though, especially since they really don't like their new republican governor). As for the primary he shouldn't even be wasting time down south, he needs to win the blue states. How he lost last time was because McCain took enough blue states from him so Pawlenty especially could be a thorn in his side throughout some of this process. The only other way he loses is if the field consolidates leaving only one teaparty type republican left after iowa and new hampshire (Palin, Bachmann, or Cain). One of those could then win in a Christine O'Donnell fashion amidst fist bumps at Obama headquarters.

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    June 3, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    tmaxr:

    I think you live under the delusion that God promised us it would be easy. The fact is He warned us of just the opposite. You know, if he couldn't even spare his Son (His most beloved Son) from the vicissitudes of mortality, why would I expect Him to make it easy for me? He has never promised me that if all my neighbor's lose their families and houses in a tornado that mine will remain intact and standing. He only promised the strength to endure the loss.

    Good things happen to bad people & vice versa. That's the way it was designed. Otherwise, the journey wouldn't require faith.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:28 p.m.

    "68% said they would not be more less likely to vote for a 2012 presidential candidate if he/she was Mormon.
    25% said they would be less likely to vote for a Mormon
    5% said they would be more likely to vote for a Mormon
    "

    I wonder how much of these stats is people mentally substituting Mormon with Romney.

    I am interested in that reversal based on party affiliation though. Back in 2007 Gallup had liberals at 75% willing to vote for a Mormon, moderates at 77% and conservatives at 66%.

    This poll has Democrats at 69%, Independents at 80%, and Republicans at 77%.

    If we pretend liberal/moderate/conservative are the same as democrat/independent/republican that's -6%D/+3%I/+11%R change over the last 4 years which I'm guessing is largely a combination of general decreases in anti-mormon feelings (perhaps +3D/+3I/+3R) which leaves a -9D/0I/+8R remainder which is probably mostly prop 8's effect.

  • TXkate Corpus Christi, Texas
    June 3, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    Like heck the LDS Church is strict in its political neutrality. Surely the author of this article has heard of Prop 8?

    Leaving that aside for a moment, as a non-Christian living in the bible belt anti-Mormon prejudice is alive and well. Many people here express admiration for the way Mormon families live their lives but the bottom line is that they do not believe Mormons are true Christians.

    I would absolutely vote for a Mormon if I agreed with him/her on the issues but I wonder how many of my neighbors can honestly say the same?

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    Liberals elect Mormons. Conservatives don't. He doesn't have a chance.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:40 p.m.

    The vile invective to be hurled at Romney, were he to win the presidency, would be unparalleled in American history. If we thought the hate machine cranked up by the left, against George Bush was awful, just imagine what that group (as well as some others) would do with a sitting Mormon president. I would vote for Romney, but frankly, I don't know that I could take all the venom that would be spewed out against Romney, not to mention the church and its members.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    June 3, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    I certainly hope Utah is "out of the mainstream." The last thing I want, or want for the presidency, is someone in the mainstream. The mainstream presidents have just about done in this country.

  • avid reader Menan, ID
    June 3, 2011 7:53 p.m.

    Is there an anti Mormon prejudice in the U.S.? Yes! Is there a anti black prejudice in the U.S. Yes!
    Last year we lived in western New York for 6 months. Interesting to feel the prejudice against Mormons there. Is it still there? Yes! Mostly because of misconceptions and Evangelist preachers telling their congregations to hate Mormons.
    Demonstrators are there every summer at the Hill Cumorah pageant with their signs and vulgar language. What's interesting is they are paid demonstrators from as far away as Florida.
    Can Romney win the presidency since he is a Mormon? Of course. Did Obama win being black?
    It's the economy stupid, is as applicable now as when Bill Clinton ran with the same slogan. I think even more so. No one better than a man who knows how to make money and safeguard it wisely to help the country during a crisis.
    Improved Economy will happen with Mitt. Go Mitt 2012.

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    June 3, 2011 9:16 p.m.

    Anyone who has lived outside the "Zion Corridor" will tell you that Mormonism is fatal to presidential hopes. Sadly.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    June 3, 2011 9:19 p.m.

    Does dumprake really feel that Romney in office would be less popular than Lincoln was in the South? Or than Hoover was after the Great Depression took down the entire economy? Or Truman during the Korean War? I can't agree, especially since his premise (a Mormon president) has no precedent.

    Here's another question I have not seen raised. Who has been the greatest president to come from the ranks of businessmen? I'm not sure there have been any, unless one regards Washington and Jefferson as farmers, which is a stretch.

  • oldasdirt Grantsville, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Dear Esquire
    Ignorance is bliss in your case, and a simple Google search shows that Utah has had 8 senators that were Democrats. Spinning issues will make you dizzy.

  • oldasdirt Grantsville, UT
    June 3, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    Oops sorry make that 5

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:02 p.m.

    @JeanPierre - it is not for us to judge their standing in the Church. But either man would be a better President than the current occupant!

  • scambuster American Fork, UT
    June 3, 2011 11:47 p.m.

    The Republican Party (outside of predominantly Mormon states) have deep religious biases against Mormons. That is why you will not see Romney or Huntsman even get the Republican nomination. I am often amazed at why Utah Mormons continue to identify themselves with a political party that doesn't like them.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    June 4, 2011 12:36 a.m.

    My father's long-since deceased uncle, who was once a state senator from upstate Michigan once told him, "the voter talks and complains about a lot of things, but when he finally steps into the voting booth, he ultimately votes his pocketbook".
    Most people know Mitt will have the best leadership skills to get their pocketbooks restored, through their 401Ks, etc.
    His religion is fast becoming a non-issue, especially amongst an even larger group than the Evangelicals, the Independents.

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    June 4, 2011 1:01 a.m.

    @wolfgang: while I understand the point you are trying to make your premise is faulty so your conclusion is wrong.

    There is nothing in the Constitution about separation of church and state.

    Aren't state legislatures and city councils supposed to enact laws that reflect the will of their community? You site the booze laws of this state as a fact that the LDS church would run the country if someone LDS was elected POTUS. That answer is false.

    How do you account for the "Dry" counties still in the South? You know, where Mormons aren't in the majority?

    The great thing about the US is it has 50 states and thousands of cities and towns. Anyone is free to move to a city/town/state that is in agreement with their belief structure. It's what makes America great!

    I think it's great that Utah doesn't have too many issues with DUI's, alcohol related deaths and alcoholism. A strong belief that booze isn't good for the body or mind is a good thing. Maybe you should put down the bottle a little???

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    June 4, 2011 7:05 a.m.

    Mitt couldn't run Massachusetts, what makes him or anyone think he can run the country?

  • barbara Carlsbad, CA
    June 4, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    In case nobody already said it. Jewish folks don't go to church on Sunday at all. Or to church. They attend synagogues.

  • Kitenoa Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    Does the skin color or religion of your president (quarterback of the team) dictates your vote, or is it the player's best performances on the actual field that matters?

    It would seem, America has NOT gotten over their deep resentment of Mormons!

    May the best man be on our team. We desperately need jobs, jobs, jobs, .....

  • crunchem Cedar City, Utah
    June 4, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    @esquire Hamilton is not quoted as saying he voted for Obama or even if supports him or likes him, just that he proud of him getting elected as it represents (anti-bias) progress. You trying to make Hamilton or the Deseret News hypocrites based on that interpolation makes your comment somewhat meaningless, IMO.

  • lionbaby CLEVELAND, OH
    June 5, 2011 9:26 p.m.

    "Dividing bias against Mormons into two categories, Feldman described hard prejudices and soft prejudices. The former are ideologically based and more common among conservative evangelicals. Usually based on vague or misinformed notions of LDS theology, these prejudices are very hard to overcome."

    Usually vague or misinformed? As far as I can tell, the problems Christians have with Mormonism are pretty specific and based on accurate information about how Mormon beliefs differ from traditional Christian ones. Christians are not biased against Mormons, they just think that Mormons are very wrong. Mormons appear to return the favor, so what mystifies me about this article is that it seems to imply that disagreement equals bias. African Americans face prejudice because of their skin color. That's a very, very different situation. I know very little about the quality of a man's mind by looking at his skin but a great deal by examining his beliefs.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    June 6, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    lionbaby,

    Very well said. In fact, I would go so far as to say that most evangelicals are very well-informed about Mormonism, and know their Bible far better than most Mormons!

  • @Charles the greater outdoors, UT
    June 6, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    @lionbaby: are we to surmise that you are not Mormon but consider yourself a Christian? If so, then I as a Mormon am quite clear on the status of your mind by your beliefs.

    @A Scientist: It all depends on what you think the word "know" means in your sentence. From my experience with my 10 immediate Evangelical/Catholic neighbors, they are sorely mis-informed on LDS doctrine and are completely unable to explain their own.

    We've had many interesting discussions over the years and when I question them about the beliefs they state are true, then are unable to detail in the Bible where it says what they say they believe. It usually comes down to "my pastor/priest" said so.

  • born again Murrieta, CA
    June 6, 2011 11:30 p.m.

    @Charles...

    As a Christian I can tell you that Christianity is based on Jesus Christ. Christian teachings should be 100% biblical. The Bible is the word of God period. The problem with some so called Christians is they add their own personal beliefs into their teachings and there is no room for that in a bible based church. It is easy to see in a newspaper like this one, that Christ is know where to be seen in you're religous section. You have two articles about Mitt Romney, some handcart miracles, a couple more articles on why the Mormon religion is true...Where's Jesus? Mormons are being steared away from Christ in order to chase around all these other topics that don't meen anything. Admit you are a sinner and give you're life to Christ without all this other stuff.