(VERSUS) and FSN,Sound like the MTN. Utah is the last card in the
Pac 12 deck.
Wow.Versus?No kidding?Just when you thought
it was safe to say "it's great to be a Ute"...
Congratulations Utah!Playing USC on Versus - make us proud!
Versus? You've got to kidding! Is this the MTN-12?
hedgehog will be giddy with excitement :)
Excuse me.....I'm just giggling too much to comment further!
Can someone help me out and let me know what channel VS. is on so I can watch
the game?Is it part of the basic package, or do I have to pay
extra?Is Craig Thompson teaching Larry Scott how to get
"exposure"? Is this the funniest sports story of the year,
Swoophedgehog will be giddy with excitement :)I was
eating a sandwich and spit it half way across the room. My wife was
getting ready to do the "The Heinrich Maneuver"Post of the
decade. I can't stop laughing.
I'm just glad BYU isn't playing on the Versus. Did anyone else notice that BYU
loses almost every single game broadcast on the VS.? Does anybody know the last
time BYU won a game on the Versus?I was thinking that if Utah went
independent (assuming they could), BYU and Utah could play each other 8 times
every year. If they split the series 4-4, set up a bowl game for the
tiebreaker. Then we'll see who is the better team every year. (I'm joking, by
the way-- mostly)
This has got to be the "feel good" story of the year.
I had to double-check my calendar to make sure it was June 1st instead of April
um, like wow
Insult to injury: USC vs. Utah on Versus will be competing for viewers against
Notre Dame vs. Michigan on ESPN that same night. I wonder which broadcast will
have more viewers... Sorry, Utes.
Wow. Every single comment so far from Y fans. Such hypocrisy.
It's a great day to be a...grrrrsometimes life just
@ Tomahawk RedYeah! Ute fans/BYU haters NEVER comment on BYU-related
And who is it that trolls articles? Certainly not BYU fans . . . see above.
Tomahawk Red BYU fans are just happy to share in the joy of Utah's
national television schedule?
Tomahawk Red | 9:32 p.m. June 1, 2011 North Salt Lake, UT "Wow.
Every single comment so far from Y fans. Such hypocrisy." ===Dude, have you ever see anyone strut, talk smack and then trip
over the twenty-yard-line in front of their big brother.Utah fans
have earned this morsel of humble pie. Maybe if Utah fans weren't
over on BYU stories, still trying to put an astrisk next to 1984, the PAC would
have a reason to find a better channel for the U.Simple econmics,
supply and demand.What surprises me is the demand in So Cal for USC
to play the Utah team with the "cachet" is sooooo small that USC is
only playing on Versus.What does that tell you about the Ute brand
of football?Personally, I have no idea who Utah upset, but this
press release is a huge slap-in-the-face to Utah from the PAC.
"Fox Sports Net and ESPN/ABC have another 23 Pac-12 games remaining in
their inventory-18 for FSN and five for ESPN. In-season selections will be made
either six or 12 days prior to the games."One of the benefits
of playing in a bigger conference I guess - if the Utes end up playing well,
they'll get more national games awarded -- 6 to 12 days prior to the games. Or
if one of the teams they play is doing well, same deal. It will likely bag the
Utes another game or two on national TV. Much better than where we were last
year on the Mountain.This is also another example that things in the
PAC-12 won't be handed to the Utes, the fellas are going to have to earn every
inch of respect. The road will be bumpy, but the Utes under coach Whit are up to
the challenge. It may take a few years of recruiting (especially for depth) to
get up the week in week out high level of achievement.
@BYU/RSL Fan... my point exactly sir. Everyone does it, but it's always the Y
fans complaining about it.Now that we've shown Y fans are just as
guilty, stop the nonsense of using it as a criticism.
Wow. National TV "exposure" smack. LOL BYU now wins the pre
preseason national tv games scheduled championship. Have fun playing a crummy
schedule against Idaho Tech. Ankle biting mid-majors.
UU32So you're saying Utah still has a chance to play on Versus
several more times this year.Sweet!
Here's the truth...Of course us Ute fans are disappointed with the
scheduling so far. I was almost certain the USC-Utah game would be on ABC or
something more prominent than Versus... but that's life I guess.A
couple things to keep in mind though:1) This is an odd year of TV
scheduling for the Pac-12. The full force of network affiliations begin next
season.2) Although Versus and FSN aren't quite as prominent as
ESPN... at the same time, it's not a whole lot less either. ESPN is clearly the
dominant cable sports channel, but it's not quite ABC/CBS/NBC either... which
are networks we can all agree that BYU won't see too much of. With the Pac-12's
contract with ABC, I think it's a guarantee to say Utah will see more of these
primetime network games than BYU will.3) TV is secondary. What
matters most is on the field and BCS relevance... and here, Utah has the edge on
BYU.BYU has a much better TV setup than we do so far. But let's
remember how important that is in the big picture.
Truth Machine - The article said:"Fox Sports Net and ESPN/ABC
have another 23 Pac-12 games remaining in their inventory-18 for FSN and five
for ESPN. In-season selections will be made either six or 12 days prior to the
games."There is a great article posted on Coach DuPaix's
recruiting efforts, why not read it and comment there - or just keep trolling.
Snagged me some I guess.
Pile on now. It sounds like one team is upset about not getting invited to the
prom. BYU's biggest home game is Utah. Excited to see 5 good teams come to SLC
and will enjoy visiting AZ and CA in the winter. Utah will earn their stripes.
As we win, there will be a lot of national games including championship game and
possible BCS game. Jealousy is such a lonely word.
The wailing and whining and gnashing of teeth from uteville on this one is music
to the ears of their big brothers down south.
byu trolls have obviously forgotten about the whole tv contracts thing (No
Suprise)! So, I will clarify. This tv schedule is ONLY for 2011 (The last year
of the OLD Pac 10 tv contracts). Of course Utah will be on Versus and FSN and
all the other bad channels. The Pac 10 was lacking exposure because of the old
tv contracts. But, beginning in 2012 when the NEW Pac 12 tv contracts kick in.
You will see more Utah games on the ESPN and Fox Networks. Also in 2012, Utah
will be making more money than byu with our 50% revenue that will be coming in.
We just need to get through 2011 first.
Five Stages Of GriefDenial and Isolation.At first, we tend to
deny the loss has taken place, and may withdraw from our usual social contacts.
This stage may last a few moments, or longer. Anger.The
grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even
if she's dead), or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with
himself for letting the event take place, even if, realistically, nothing could
have stopped it. Bargaining.Now the grieving person may make
bargains with God, asking, "If I do this, will you take away the
loss?" Depression.The person feels numb, although anger
and sadness may remain underneath. Acceptance.This is when the
anger, sadness and mourning have tapered off. The person simply accepts the
reality of the loss. ............Tomahawk Red:You
guys spent a while in denial and isolation. I was worried about you.Best I can tell, you are in bargaining right now.Next, you will
feel depressed, and then finally acceptance.
Nearly every post is from a jealous byu fan! I'm certain that it's very
difficult dealing with the fact that your rival left you behind. It's a new
chapter for sports in the state of Utah with byu going independent and the Utes
moving to the Pac-12. I hope both schools do well in their very different
directions.To the byu fans commenting on this Utah article, I have
to say your posts scream of jealousy! Utah will be playing 10 BCS opponents and
two mid-majors in byu and Montana St. while byu plays four BCS teams and eight
mid-majors. I'm sure the nation's college football fans are waiting
by their TVs anticipating great games when byu plays Idaho, UCF, Idaho St., San
Jose St., Utah St., New Mexico St. and Hawaii!!! Can you say regional ESPN
coverage? I wish you well with your cupcake schedule and your mid-major future.
I'm betting the networks are lining up to cover the WCC basketball games too.Good luck byu with your independence. Notre Dame is the only BCS
independent program with Army, Navy and byu as mid-major representatives.
MidMajor4ever"Nearly every post is from a jealous byu
fan!"Jealous of Utah playing on Versus?Sorry,
midmajor, but there's nothing U can say to live down this latest humiliation
from the conference of champions.
Here's some more truth that is indisputable...If all Y fans were
given the choice:A) Join a BCS league but settle for sporadic games
on Versus, FSN and ESPN.OrB) Go indy but play most games
on ESPN, ESPN 2 or ESPN 3 (including many Friday night games)9 out
of 10 of you Y fans would choose option A. And the one dissenter would be a
liar. To try and deny this is foolishness, and you all know it.
Tomahawk RedIn your dreams.
Tomahawk Red One of the main reasons BYU left the MWC was to escape
the MTN/Versus black hole.BYU already has ESPN locked in for the
next 8 years, BYUtv for any games not on ESPN, and endless replay streaming from
the moment every game on ESPN/BYUtv ends.What makes U think BYU
would be even remotely interested in trading all of that for sporadic games on
@TrueBlue"What makes U think BYU would be even remotely
interested in trading all of that for sporadic games on Versus?"Maybe to have automatic access to the BCS or a shot a the National Title. byu
can't do that as an Independent. They might make it to the BCS if they go
undefeated. But, they couldn't even do that as a member of the MWC. I think Tom
Holmoe would change his mind about Independence in a heartbeat if the Big 12
Sat., Sept. 3 Minnesota at USC - ABCSat., Sept. 10 Utah at USC - VersusChin up Utah fans; there are still 6 more PAC 12 games on Versus TBD, so
there's still a chance Utah will have more than three nationally televised
games.That ESPN2 game at BYU on Sept. 17th is suddenly looking
better and better. No need to send thank you cards. It's the least we could do
for our friends on the hill.
PAC 12 loves U"Maybe to have automatic access to the BCS or a
shot a the National Title."Besides USC, the last PAC 10 team to
win a national championship was Washington, a shared championship with Miami in
1991.Besides USC, the last PAC 10 team to win a concensus national
championship was California, in 1920.I wouldn't be getting your
hopes up too high about the Utes' "improved" chances of winning a
Tomahawk Red | 11:01 p.m. North Salt Lake, UT "Here's some more
truth that is indisputable...If all Y fans were given the choice:A) Join a BCS league but settle for sporadic games on Versus, FSN and
ESPN.OrB) Go indy but play most games on ESPN, ESPN 2 or
ESPN 3 (including many Friday night games)9 out of 10 of you Y fans
would choose option A. And the one dissenter would be a liar. To try and deny
this is foolishness, and you all know it." .....................You need to make the move out of bargaining.What you are
talking about is the MWC.No, we love watching all of our games in
all sports on National TV, and they are on TV because, get this... It's BYU
playing. Not because we are playing BYU, or USC, or Colorado.BYU has the cachet. U were sold a bill of goods.Your truth is false.Utah wouldn't take the deal now if they knew
they were going to get "Utahed" by the PAC. (Getting Utahed is being
told one thing, and getting another).Man, I hope I don't get
"Utahed" at work...
@Veracity... ha ha ha! You crack me up.@TrueBlue... you have to ask?
You Y fans all know being in a BCS league is the most important avenue for
relevance in todays college football landscape... not tv exposure. Utah knew
it, and now we have the opportunity to go there. Same goes for TCU. Would you
really argue that BYU doesn't have that same priority? To admit this wouldn't
be admitting failure or inferiority. It's what every team wants. Only difference
is that Utah has the opportunity while BYU hasn't yet. YET!
PAC 12 loves U | 11:45 p.m. June 1, 2011 Sandy, Utah ..........Re-think your name that you post under.If the PAC loved
Utah, they would have never "Utahed" your football team by putting
them on Versus.
UU32"There is a great article posted on Coach DuPaix's
recruiting efforts, why not read it and comment there..."And
leave our friends on the hill to commiserate alone?Helping friends
through a period of grief is what friends are for.
Why is this a surprise to anyone?Utah is the new kid on the
block.SLC is one of the smaller media markets in the PAC-12.Utah hasn't proven themselves yet in the PAC-12.We won't see
the full effect of the Pac-12's new TV deal this season; more games will be
televised in the subsequent seasons.Quite frankly, I am much more
interested in wins and losses on the football field than I am in whether my team
is on TV, and on which channel. If the Utes win, they will get rewarded with
more "exposure," but the larger media markets (Los Angeles, the Bay
Area, and Seattle) will get more TV-time just because of the number of
television sets they command.Oh, and bye the way, there's nothing
embarassing about not beating the Notre Dame vs. Michigan game for number of
viewers.And to answer the "which channel is Versus on?" I
think it's somewhere near the BYU-TV channel on the dial.
More televised games to come and our own league network. Yes, this coming year
is going to sting a bit with less TV games televised. But we are a BCS team and
in a BCS conference, word you won't ever hear in Utah County. Ask anybody who is
not a Provo college fan what channel KBYUtv is on and nobody knows or heard of
that channel. Only the members of your organized religion know where to find you
on TV. Go ahead and dish out the digs about versus, etc. At least we are not
tied to the same lower tiered bowls for the next six years that are the same
bowls you could have played in with the MWC. Playing a 6-6 UTEP team that had
lost 6 games in a row is really a nice prize at the end of the season. Six
seasons of that lie ahead. Our situation gets better, not so sure yours does.
@Buster/Verita/FAYM FYI the PAC-12 TV network kicks in next year.Wow, first 20 posts by BYU fans concerned about what channel Utah will
be playing on next year.Can't wait for PAC-12 play.Go
Really Brett - ankle biting mid-major? You were previously offended by such
arrogant talk every year for the last how many years ... oh, right - every year
Utah has had a sports program. If you really hold to that comment, then you
immediately discount any/every accomplishment Utah has had - including BCS wins
("well, they're just a mid-major so the other teams didn't take them
seriously and bring their A game ..."). You've become what you previously
so outwardly despised.
This is what makes it hard to be a BYU fan. The immature comments on these
boards are an embarrassment. Guys, it is time to get over Utah being invited to
the Pac 12. Let's move on.
All this smack talking amounts to nothing if you get on tv and embarrass
yourself. Let's not forget, my dear Cougar fans, that we've certainly have our
shares of being exposed badly on national tv too. If we don't win our games on
tv, all that tv exposure will just be more fodder for the haters who can't pass
on a chance to heap ridicule on us. Winning is the only way to avoid that. If
not, well, expect to be mercilessly mocked and abused to no end, and that's no
fun at all. I'd rather we "speak softly and carry a big punch" on the
field than be "cocky and get slapped around silly" in the end. Go Cougs! Go Utes! Hope you'll both be very successful in your chosen
paths eg. Pac 12 and Independent.
12 BYU games on National TV, 6 on ESPN...maybe more later.
3!?!??!?!?! lol!I'm sorry Ute fans, but you're just going to need
to take the "trash talk" from the Y fans today. With all the talking
you've done on the PAC-10, you had it coming.It appears ESPN/FSN is
more interested in actual interest in a team, not what conference you're in.See: BYU
To paraphrase one of my son's T-shirts: Those of you who think you know college
football are annoying those of us who do.Seriously, it's fun to see
y'all bickering about two less-than-spectacular football programs. Like y'all
know anything about real football anyway. Go UT! Go TCU!
The Utes should be happy so few of their games will be on TV. Less people to see
Geez....... Move along.....OK so there is a SPECIFIC, to Utah,
article and it turns into a BYU 'whine fest' about all things evil wearing red.
Then when challenged, the only thing BYU fans can say is "they did it
too".REALLY? Is THAT the best you've got? Wouldn't it simply be
sweeter to read the article chuckle for a moment and move on. Wouldn't it be
better to see 100s of intelligent comments on BYU articles and only 10 to 12
comments on every Utah story?Or do you really feel that entitled to
vent your anxieties?It might be REALLY cool if BOTH sides of the
aisle showed a little class......and please save the 'he did it
first' comments. It didn't work when my sons tried it on me a decade ago; and
it's certainly not working now.
BYU = Boise State, just without the successful football program.Let's get some truths out there. BYU will be on the ESPN network
channels so often because of 1 thing. They are taking Boise's spot
on Friday nights. Check their TV schedule. UCF, Utah State and TCU
are Friday night ESPN games.You know, the time slot where the WAC
used to be.Right now, BYU has 1 Saturday game slotted for ESPN. The
Uteology | 1:43 a.m. June 2, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @Buster/Verita/FAYM FYI the PAC-12 TV network kicks in next
year.Wow, first 20 posts by BYU fans concerned about what channel
Utah will be playing on next year.===More enjoying a
good chuckle.Lighten up Paco.++++++++Max | 6:06
a.m. June 2, 2011 Syracuse, NY This is what makes it hard to be a
BYU fan.===You'll get over it while watching games.I think it would be harder to be a fan of a school that got "Utahed"
by their conference, and you couldn't watch them play on TV unless the other
team had some "national cachet"...
It's funny how both fan bases have taken the recent moves.BYU fans
can only talk about the number of times they will be on the ESPN network. Or
how many 2-1 series they have signed. Or how many games they will play on
BYUtV.Nothing about actual football? Nothing about how this move
helps their football team? It's kind of an afterthought.Utah fans
talk about the ridiculous amount of money the program will receive. They talk
about playing a very tough schedule, playing a good team every week. They talk
about the opportunity to fight for a Rose Bowl birth, or even the improved
access to the National Championship. The big jump in competition.You know, actual football items.Pretty clear where the
expectations for these programs has gone. BYU fans are just happy to be on TV.
Utah fans are thinking of the Rose Bowl.
@williaryESPN on Friday night > Versus on any night...
re: Tomahawk RedI think you're right that the Utes will get some
opportunities to play on ABC in the future.However, I've got to warn you
that ABC games are generally regionally televised. At most, 1/2 of the nation
will get to see the games on ABC in most instances. ESPN and Versus at least,
are always nationally televised. So, I'm not so sure I'd prefer ABC games over
ESPN (if you live on the East Coast, at least). ND was the only team I know of
that had coast-to-coast broadcasts via one of the 4 big networks (NBC). Having lived outside Utah for the past 11 years, most of the ABC games
that BYU played were not shown on the East Coast or the midwest. I tuned in and
was disappointed to watch NCState V Georgia Tech or something like that. So as a Cougar fan, I'll take ESPN over anything else!
I think this is great. While its ironic to be on Versus, the channel is
actually pretty good at broadcasting games. And being on FSN isn't the end of
the world. Utah needs to earn its stripes. If they perform well this year,
they will be on tv more frequently. Great day to be a Ute! (But so
All this TV and money smack is hilarious. Ok, I'm over it.PAC 12, 2
out of 3, blocked! and ScoreboardGo Utes!
Listen Paco's (aka Utah obsessed fans from the team down south)...A)
It's YOUR program that was concerned about "national exposure" we've
been doing just fine without it on the national stage.B) No one was
expecting Utah to play 8-12 games on national TV on ABC. Why? We'll as a Jazz
fan we all know how this works (LA and wherever James is showcasing his
talents).C) It's the level of competition that is important. So if
you want a good chuckle pull out your 2010 football season where in a reloading
year you finished 6-6, 5th best team in the mighty MWC.
"And to answer the "which channel is Versus on?" I think it's
somewhere near the BYU-TV channel on the dial."Willary,Actually Comcast (midwest) has Versus (201) right infront of ESPN (202).And There is no bYutv on Comcast (midwest). You trolls claim channel 100
is bYutv... but the only thing I see in P'unked reruns.
@jazzbball | 7:40 a.m. June 2, 2011It appears ESPN/FSN is more
interested in actual interest in a team, not what conference you're in.See: BYU -----------------It appears BCS isn't.See: 2001 season and 2010 Utah and TCU invitesCongrats on
pac12 games on fsn, vs, or no tv coverage > wac-light games on ESPN or ABC
Just a friendly recap of the TV arrangements for both BYU and Utah. There seems
to be some confusion here:Utah 2011, FOX, FSN, Vs.Utah 2012+,
ABC/ESPN with Fox, P12 Network. The arrangement is for 34 and 10 Pac12 games be
shown on the ABC/ESPN and Fox networks respectively. This averages to about
three Pac12 games a week. The remaining games will be shown on the yet to be
created Pac12 network. The wild card here is that the Pac12 network is
unproven. It could be great and have good exposure like the Big10 network or
the broadcast could be lousy and have poor exposure like the Mtn. Estimated
value per school is ~$21M.BYU 2011+, ESPN, BYUtv. ESPN has first
pick on all BYU home and neutral games and can put them on one of its network
channels (ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU). All remaining games not chosen will be shown on
BYUtv. BYUtv has been promised rebroadcast rights 24 hours after game shown on
ESPN. Estimated value $12-$16M, less info known on BYU/ESPN arrangement
(rumored to be just under $2M per game on ESPN). Honest recap.
williary"BYU fans are just happy to be on TV. Utah fans are
thinking of the Rose Bowl."Which of course explains why BYU
fans are excited about BYU scheduling elite teams from across the country --
Texas, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Nebraska, and USC -- and Utah fans
are content to schedule Montana State for one of their few OOC games, in order
to survive Utah's "brutal" PAC 12 south schedule.Bottom
line is after all the talk about the PAC 12's mega TV deals, Utah's
"national" television schedule turns out to be:at USC on
Versusat BYU on ESPN2 (courtesy of BYU's ESPN contract)Colorado on
FSNWhile BYU's national television schedule is already:Utah on ESPN2UCF on ESPNUtah State on ESPNat TCU on ESPNat Hawaii on ESPN/ESPN2plus at Mississippi, at Texas, at Oregon
State, and one more home game on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU still to be announced.BYU fans are excited because BYU fans from across the country will
actually be able to watch BYU football, which was the main reason for declaring
independence from the MTN.How excited are U about Versus?
@ williary | 8:04 a.m. June 2, 2011 I love those Friday night games!
Something for my DVR to do to get warmed up for the Saturday marathon....
SportsCenter- "How excited are U about Versus?" Are you kidding?
It's USC! We are playing USC every year! And we get to see it, the PAC12s
first game, on tv! I'm pinching myself!
versus huh? Good...now 235 people will get to watch SC beat Utah by 30 points.
Utah fans! I bet you wish your home schedule included Utah State, Idaho State,
San Jose State, New Mexico State AND Idaho! It's a good thing these games are on
tv. I'd hate to waste a whole Saturday actually having to go the stadium to
watch these sweet sisters of the poor.
ExecutorIohI believe BYUtv has rebroadcast rights for all
ESPN-televised games starting immediately after the game ends. Plus, most ESPN
games will also be available for replay streaming on ESPN3. No more waiting for
10pm Monday night rebroadcasts on KBYU.
Thank you to all the Cougar fans that posted without know what they are talking
about. The 3 games being broadcast on national TV in 2011 have nothing to do
with the PAC-12 TV deal that was just signed -- it doesn't take affect until
2012. All PAC-12 games this year fall under the old PAC-10 deal, which Utah does
not fall under. If you knew what you were talking about, you would
know that ALL PAC-12 football games will be NATIONALLY televeised starting in
2012 -- yes, that includes Utah -- on either ESPN, FOX channels ( not FSN Utah
or other regional channels), or the PAC-12 Network. So, in
conclusion: please don't post your jealous, uniformed diatribe. Thanks, and Go
@therealuActually you are the one ignorant of the facts. utah is
subject to the current pac10 tv contract, they just don't get paid anything for
being subject to it. Also not all pac10 games will be nationally
broadcast next year either. ESPn and FOX will only broadcast the games they
want, and utah being any of them is certainly no sure thing, while the pac10
network is not even up and going yet. let's say it is for arguments sake what
makes you think that all of the cable and sattelite companies across the nation
are even going to pick it up? Honestly the odds of that happening are about
zero. Why would any of the cable and sattelite companies in the south or back
east even want to carry it?Nice try on making up some
"facts" but you failed.LOL
TheRealUWhat we do know is USC DOES fall under the old PAC 10 deal
and the Utes weren't an attractive enough opponent to warrant anything better
than Versus for their PAC 12 debut.Spin it however U want, but we
all know that even the most die-hard Utah fans are disappointed, if not
embarrassed, to learn that Utah's first big splash in the PAC 12 will hardly be
noticed by the rest of the country.The uninformed diatribe is just
@DuckhunterSeriously?Let me explain to you the reason
the PAC-12 Network will be picked up nationally: Larry Scott -- "The
(Pac-12) network will have very high-quality games, with either the first,
second or third selections in different weeks." Yes, the Commish is forward
thinking enough that when negotiating the TV deal, he made sure that the PAC-12
Network would be able to broadcast the premier game on certain weeks. Those ARE facts.
@SportscenterApparently the education level at BYU is dropping by
the minute.Fact: The Pac-12's Mega TV deal begins in 2012. For
2011, they are still bound by the old TV contract, which Utah was not a part of.
Fact: So funny how the big deal is Utah, who is not part of any TV
deal for 2011 being shown on Versus. Forget that they are playing USC! Sorry,
that puts to shame everyone on that list you had for BYU's future opponents.
USC > Anyone BYU will play down the road. Unless they schedule
USC. And Utah will play USC, EVERY SINGLE YEAR! Not a 2-1 like
Texas, or a 4-2 like Notre Dame. EVERY SINGLE YEAR! EVERY OTHER YEAR AT
RES!"BYU fans are excited because BYU fans from across the
country will actually be able to watch BYU football, which was the main reason
for declaring independence from the MTN."Again, BYU fans can
cheer about being on TV. Utah fans will cheer about winning football games.
Substance over fluff. Always been Utah's advantage over BYU.
We cougar fans are not delusional! We are NOT obsessed with Utah!
@Duckhunter"Why would any of the cable and sattelite companies
in the south or back east even want to carry it?"Yeah, I mean
it's not like on my basic Direct TV package, I've seen the Big 10 Network since
day 1!Your sillyness is just getting sad Duckhunter. Just be happy
with that you have. No, it's not close to the deal Utah get. But it's still
miles better than the MWC. The Pac-12 Network will be national off
the bat. Every Pac-12 football game will be on either ESPN family, Fox family
or Pac-12 Network, all national stations. BYU fans need to realize
that outside of LDS wardhouses across the country, nobody knows anything about
BYU football. On the other hand, even casual college football fans watched Utah
Who cares what channel Utah games are on!? Check out the sweet home schedule we
have at LES! Utah State! Idaho State! San Jose State! New Mexico State!
Idaho! Ya Baby!
USAlover says, "versus huh? Good...now 235 people will get to watch SC beat
Utah by 30 points."Kinda funny to hear a BYU fan talking smack
about facing USC.Utah is 1-1 against the Trojans in the last decade.
How have your Cougars held up against USC in the same time frame?BYU 18-USC 35 on the roadBYU 10-USC 42 in Provo
You have to admit that this is kind of a fun story to comment on. Utah fans
can't revel that much because they have been complaining about vs for years. I
do congratulate them on the FOX game though; even if it is against CO. All Utah
has to do is win their first 5 or 6 games and they could be picked up on one or
two of the TBD games left on the PAC schedule. That would not be bad at all for
a team competing against OR, WA, USC and UCLA for TV time. Good luck Utah!
Did I read this right? Utah will be playing USC in a CONFERENCE game! A PAC-12
game that could lead to the team playing in the conference championship game.
The winner of which will play in the Rose Bowl (and/or for the national
championship). Generally speaking ESPN will give greater exposure
than Versus. But who wouldn't trade playing USC on Versus for playing Utah
State on ESPN? What are the advantages of "exposure"? More recruit's
interest? Utah has it now - Rivals indicates 190 recruits listed Utah as a
school of interest versus 70 listing the Y. Will exposure increase the chance
of playing in a BCS game? Probably; however, every year Utah will have the
chance to play in a BCS game (or two - counting the national championship game)
and they won't have to go undefeated to do it. It really is a great
time to be a UTE!
Snack PAC says that most Utah fans will be disappointed, if not embarrassed,
that Utah's debut against USC will be on Versus---hardly seen by the rest of the
country. When did we elect him as our voice? Pretty sure that his
"poll" is unscientific...I'm excited for the game. But what's more, why all the hate against Versus? In my part
of the country, it's part of a basic cable package that is higher up numerically
than BYUtv, which is nestled adjacent to EWTN. USAlover, if USC vs Utah on
Versus will hardly be noticed by the rest of the country, what would that
predict about BYU's games against [place low rated WAC opponent here] on BYUtv?
This is not a knock on BYUtv, or BYU's schedule, or their football
team. I'm a fan of college football---and in certanly beats "Wind at My
Back" everytime. The spinning goes both ways. Consistent inconsistency.
MiP"The spinning goes both ways."And you're
spinning big time when you try to argue that Utah fans weren't bitterly
disappointed when they learned that their first PAC 12 game against the
signature PAC 12 program didn't rate anything better than Versus.We
all know that this blog would have been deluged with Utah fan mockery if this
had been an article announcing that BYU's first game as an Independent was going
to televised on Versus.The bottom line is that both BYU and Utah are
each MUCH better off not being tied to the MWC's inept television contract
@JapanCougar | 8:23 a.m. June 2, 2011 So as a Cougar fan, I'll take
ESPN over anything else! ---------Even if the Big 12
comes calling? I seriously doubt it.Utah went from the BCS busters
to the PAC-12.BYU went from 3 of 4 to ESPN smack... PRICELESS.
Versus's, wow I thought you guys got away from that stuff. Oh well, at least
your on some tv right?
@Tomahawk Red"BYU has a much better TV setup than we do so far. But
let's remember how important that is in the big picture."The
problem is that we're set to get off to a rocky start in the Pac12 even with the
scheduling gift from the conference (not playing Oregon or Stanford). Right now
the way it looks, either the Pac12 doesn't think we can handle a heavier
conference schedule and is taking it easier on us right out of the gate or they
don't see us worthy of even getting a game against USC on a "Major"
network like ESPN, let alone ABC, etc. In the bigger picture, a lack
of exposure will hurt in recruiting head-to-head against BYU. Not all FSN or
Versus games are picked up nationally, depending on what region of the country
you are in you'll see games relevant to that area whereas ESPN games are all
shown nationally and BYU will have a full slate of games that can be seen coast
to coast.Based on the free exposure ESPN gave BYU and Jimmer last
season, it will be tough to compete with.
I think it's time our little brothers quit obsessing about which Ute games are
or are not televised this coming season and start looking forward to your
powerhouse home schedule this year. That truly is amusing!!
TrueBlue- "bitterly disappointed?" No, that was cougar fans when
they saw Utah State, Idaho State, New Mexico State, San Jose State, and Idaho on
their home schedule.
Really! We're not obsessed with Utah! (Despite this constant drivel from our
"And you're spinning big time when you try to argue that Utah fans weren't
bitterly disappointed when they learned that their first PAC 12 game against the
signature PAC 12 program didn't rate anything better than Versus."Im not dissapointed at all, in fact it's a non issue the only reason it is, is
because troll nation is out in force making it one.It proves nothing
it means nothing. As long as I can see the games I could care less who's showing
I think both schools are just glad that they don't have to worry about the Mtn
anymore. It was bad enough to sit through their announcers, pre and post game,
halftime etc. it was also bad that Utah and BYU got bumped for Wyoming vs. New
Mexico. Versus is not that bad of a deal, at least it is availabe
to 75 million homes across the country. Still less than ESPN and ESPN 2. Bottom
line, is if you are interested in either BYU or Utah, it will be far easier to
see the games on TV if you can't go in person.
Realistic (BYU TROLL) - We're not worried. Obsessed much?
@Snack PAC Embarrassed is claiming you are a "legacy"
program and still waiting 30+ years for a call from a big boy conference, while
your fierce rival gets it done in 10 years.Going from the MTN to USC
vs Utah in PAC-12 play even on VersusNot embarrassing but an
opportunity to fight for the right to play in the Rose Bowl. Enjoy fighting for
the right to play in Ft. Worth on ESPN.@Realistic Ute You dont sound like a relistic Ute. A realistic Ute if he looked at Scouts
would be able see that the better recruiting classes under the current coaches
its BYU hands down over Utah and TCU. Then if he looked at the NFL drafts over
the same period its Utah and TCU hands down over BYU.Also, Notre
Dame has huge exposure now tell me whos been better on the national stage Utah
and TCU playing in the MTN or Notre Dame on NBC?Conclusion, youre
not a realistic Ute just pretending to be one.
@williary"The Pac-12 Network will be national off the bat.
Every Pac-12 football game will be on either ESPN family, Fox family or Pac-12
Network, all national stations."It sounds like you've been in
all the meetings. I'm willing to wager that is not going to happen. Do you care
to take a wager on it?
To MIP; What is EWTN and USAlover, I truely don't know those channels, just
curious, and the other thing, if you lived out here, you would understand the
hate towards versus, its barely better the Mountain.
You tell him Ducky!
It's unbelievable how many BYU fans are obsessed with everything related to the
University of Utah these days. The Utes have obviously gone on to bigger and
better things and left BYU fans with nothing better to do than to get their
kicks in however they can. It's called sour grapes.
@Duck You don't have to in the meetings, if you're smart you can
figure out how to research by Google... it takes about 2 mintues:Not
only did Scott secure $3 billion for the primary television contract, he also
has created a second source of sustainable income. The plan is to make the
Pac-12 Network widely available in addition to an online component that
resembles ESPN3. When Matt Daddy and I discussed the media deal six months ago,
this was the dream scenario: Make the network widely available and embrace newer
forms of media, namely the online market.But the former, creating a
network carried widely throughout the country, could only be accomplished by
withholding a significant stable of inventory. And it couldn't just be the
leftovers; There had to be premium content on the Pac-12 Network. Essentially,
Scott withheld half the inventory of Pac-12 football games, an average of three
a week, for the conference network. And he still secured a $3 billion primary
contract with ESPN and FOX.
Ibleedcrimson"Im not dissapointed at all, in fact it's a non
issue..."--Now about that swampland in...Dave S."I think it's time our little brothers quit obsessing about which
Ute games are or are not televised"--as soon as our little
brothers on the hill stop obsessing about every rumored BYU opponent and how
much BYU is being paid for every single game for the next millennia
Uteology | 11:16 a.m. June 2, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas "@Realistic Ute You dont sound like a relistic Ute."===A realistic Ute would not spell as well as you do sir...Come on Uteology, you are the last Utah fan worry about reality.
@uteologySo will you take a wager then? I am willing to wager that
the pac12 network WILL NOT be available nationwide next year as williary
asserted. No chance at all that it will be. I'm willing to wager it will take
years, if it is ever available nationwide, for that to happen. I'll
wait for your reply.
Its funny how every BYU fan on here has to pretend that they dont know that the
PAC-12 tv deal starts in 2012 not 2011. The PAC12 in 2011 is showing less
national tv games than they ever have (per capita) due to the addition of two
new teams and having the same contract as when there were ten teams. BYU fans argue that their TV deal can compare with the exposure the Utah will
have in the PAC12. Not so. Why ignore the fact that all 9 Utah league games (and
any big OOC games) will be nationally televised for 14/15 seasons to come! The
exposure argument was settled when news broke about the PAC12 tv deal details.
BYU will have less national tv games for the remainder of their ESPN contract.
Its a mathematical fact they CANNOT have as many as Utah over the life of BYUs
ESPN contract. Duckhunter and the like are experts in half truths, or I mean
1-14years/15years = 9.3% truths.
UteologyEmbarrassing is getting invited to the banquet with the big
boys and then getting shunted off to the rickety card table to eat with the
conference rabble.Legacy programs have the national cachet to cut
their own national television deals with the "world wide leader" even
when certain conferences use religious bigotry instead athletic success in
choosing conference invitees.
The Utes are great. My hope is that someday my cougars can be half of what Utah
Personally, I would've have liked to see Utah-USC game on ESPN. But being on
Versus is not bad. But we've seen this with the Jazz. Not much National TV
exposure unless we're good. But with the inaugural season into the PAC12, I'm
ok with it. Let's see how we do in the PAC12 and national tv exposure will take
care of itself.To Y fans, I don't know why you guys are pouring it
on. With ESPN favorite Boise St going to the mtn, you guys are just filling a
time slot previously allocated for BSU. You think ESPN is happy with BSU going
to the mtn? BSU is probably the most beloved midmajor in the country and they
are on national TV just about every week. In fact, they get more coverage than
most elite BCS teams. So you should hope your team will get the similar ratings
BSU was getting with your millions of lds viewers. But only time will tell.
@williary and uteologyAnd by the way I have Comcast cable and have
the expanded sports tier and do not have the big10 network. Not only that I
cannot see it being available on any tier. Now I am guessing the pac10 network
has a better chance of being available locally since there is a team here that
will be in the pac10 but once again why would a cable station in Knetucky,
Virgina or Mississippi have the pac10 network? There's not going to
be any real demand for it. No one in any of those places, or anywhere else
outside of the west, really cares about the asu/ucla game, or the uw/utah game.
They simply don't care. So unless this "premium" programming you keep
refering to means showing usc every week then absolutely no one will care. Of
course there is that sticky situation with the pac10 network only getting 1st
choice of games 2 weeks of the season as well but I see you gals are just
pretending that little clause doesn't exist. So let's wager away
girls. Let's see who is correct.
@DuckhunterWager away my friend. When the 2012 college football
season begins, the Pac-12 Network will already be available on at least one of
the nationwide satelite sources.You need to get the fact that Craig
Thompson isn't the hair behind the negotiations this time around. Larry Scott
is MILES ahead of everyone else. Secures the biggest TV package ever, while
retaining a majority of his high-demand football programming. Genius. Just
deal with it.
@DuckhunterYou've got to come to reality ducky. The Big 10 Network
is available on all 3 sources here in Utah:403 - Comcast610 -
Direct439 - DishStraight from the Big 10 Network website.
Stop trying to form your opinion around bogus facts. Another fact.
Rarely are Michigan or OSU shown live on their network. The games I've watched,
yes watched from my home in Utah where the Big 10 Network in fact does exist, is
usually Indiana, Illinios, Northwestern, Iowa, etc. And yet,
miraculously, the Big 10 network, without showing Michigan and OSU on Saturday,
is available nationwide on all media outlets.Just give it up. Or
get some actual facts.
@Snack PacWhat's even more embarrassing is never being considered
for a table with the big boys, while begging for that seat the last 3 decades.
Being turned down by everyone, your rival gets the huge upgrade, leaving you to
build your own sandbox so you have somewhere to play.I guess in BYU
vocabulary, Legacy = Having done nothing relevant on the national stage in
football in the last 35+ years.I think that's called stretching the
@Veritas Aequitas Not you again, isn't it to early to be trolling
for spelling mistakes... even for you?I notice once again you did
not dispute a single thing I said. I talked about why its not about the amount
of exposure that determines a programs ability to compete (ala Notre Dame vs
Utah/TCU) but more about the coaching system and the ability develop talent.
And as usual you responded by... spelling smack.Keep it
up Buster, you amuse me each time you post.
forreal peopleYour "facts" are nothing but wishful
thinking.The only real facts are these:--BYU is already
scheduled to play on ESPN five times this season and could have as many as eight
or nine games on ESPN.--Utah's only scheduled ESPN game this season
is at BYU.--Exact television schedules for future seasons are pure
speculation; not even the folks at ESPN could tell you how many Utah games
they'll be televising next season.btw, congratulations on getting
your big game at USC nationally televised on Versus.
I'm sure ABC will pick up a Utah game or two!Oh, but wait. You
usually have to be .500+ team for that to happen...
Sure how much? But I think that's against your rules?I am not Cleo
so I can't guarantee PAC-12 will be available nationally by this time next year.
What I can guarantee is that Larry Scott is smarter than you so if his plan is
to make the PAC-12 nationally relevant, he will do just that.I
noticed you still didn't Google, here's more:To call it a coup would
be an understatement. By keeping the inventory and promising premium programming
on the Pac-12 Network, Scott has sent a message: Carry our network or face the
backlash of fans. He's forced the hands of carriers....Unlike the Big Ten, the
Pac-12 will have full ownership over its network, not a minority stake in it. It
all adds up to more profit.
@ Cougars-WOB,Facts are facts bro. Read any of the dozens of stories
about the PAC 12 tv deal (you know, the deal reasulting in 12 teams exclusively
having the best TV deal in the nation).ALL PAC 12 conference games
between 2012 and 2024 will be nationally televised. That means 9 per year for
the Utes. I would expect a WISE man like yourself to be able to
comprehend a few simple sentences in a news story. Give it a try and we will
Lot's of Uncle Rico speak from our friends to the South. It all comes down to
performing and winning on the field of play not the DesNews comment boards. Any
real fan of athletic competition could care less about what network is
broadcating his/hers teams games. That being said, I am looking forward to Rod
Gilmore and Joe Tesistore Stormin' the Dorm @ Helaman Halls.
Wow, this move couldn't have come at a worse time for Utah. This is the last
year of the Pac TV contract to resign a new one. This is Utah's chance to come
into a new program and make a real name for themselves and get some games on TV
it just isn't going to happen. Utah has the worst QB of the 3 major schools in
Utah, have no established running game and a brand new D-Backfield. I feel
really bad that this is the year to start off the new conference considering
Utah will be lucky to even make it to .500 this year. I wanted nothing more than
for Utah to go into the Pac the 1st year and show them how good of football the
state of Utah has and this is going to come back and bite U in the rear! The
worst part also is when Wynnie either gets benched, or hurt for the year, U have
nothing to come in and do anything. Doom and Gloom this year unfortunately.
Cougars - Wise Older Brothers - "--Utah's only scheduled ESPN
game this season is at BYU."Isn't that a coincidence?! BYU's
only decent home game this season is Utah!
williaryCall us the first time Utah wins a national championship,
receives a national individual award of any kind, finishes in the Top 25 at
least five times in a single decade, or the first Utah player is inducted into
the College Football Hall of Fame.Until then, your "greatness
by association" is nothing but a myth. Every conference has its filler
programs to give the big boys in the conference a base of guaranteed wins.
The fact of the matter is that nobody outside of your bubble of hope cares about
your own tv network or your conference of irrelevance.Why is that so
many of you obsess about the Utes. Is it because you were scorned by all of the
big boy conferences? I've heard of sour grapes but some of you are going way
overboard. Relax people in the end it's just a game!!
PAC man-Call us when all your dusty trophies get you into a BCS bowl
game or a big time conference. The 80's were great for you but they're all over
Drum boy"Isn't that a coincidence?! BYU's only decent home game
this season is Utah!"No, it's simply a product of the timing of
BYU's move to independence.Future BYU schedules will include Texas,
Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, USC, UCLA, Oregon State, Ohio State, Nebraska,
Wisconsin, Boise State, Penn State, and, of course, bi-annual visits from our
little brothers up north.
Uteology | 12:39 p.m. June 2, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @Veritas
Aequitas I notice once again you did not dispute a single thing I
said.===Consider this a blanket dispute about everything you
say.It's not worth the time to argue every little piece of minutiae
you believe to be monumental as you look past reality.You have
absolutely zero objectivity.I just enjoy your creative spelling (I
gave you a pass when you spelled well - we'll earlier).
@AggieLuvaNew Rule...If your going to talk .500 PAC-12
smack make sure first that your team is .500 in the wikkity wikkity WAC.
Kittenhunter | 1:26 p.m. June 2, 2011 Provo, Ut PAC man-Call us when all your dusty trophies get you into a BCS bowl game or a big
time conference. The 80's were great for you but they're all over bud. ===Call us when they put you on TV because of who you are, and not
who you play.You kids are really fun to mess with today.
veritas,I am glad that there are fellow BYU fans who, like me, are
jealous of the boys on the hill. We will make it through this difficult time
together brother.Go cougars.
@Snac Pac,"certain conferences use religious bigotry instead
athletic success in choosing conference invitees."-snackpackWow- your comment is a huge bigoted cheap shot aimed at an organization that
literally has no position or concern about the religious affiliations of random
schools throughout the country. The PAC 12 never considered BYU or their
religious affiliation. And BTW, U of U student body is about 50% similar to the
Y, demographically. BYU was not considered because of lack of
athletic success (when compared to Utah football) and the fact that they would
be the only PAC-12 school without even being close to having the academic
credentials.The pac12 wanted to add Flagship Research Universities
to fit in. BYU? LOL. A quick comparison of the Utah vs. BYU in research
capabilities (note that the Y has an advantage as private schools OWN these
numbers at the top- not byu though!): Endowments:
UTAH/BYU-$513M/290M, Professors: Utah/BYU-2700/1600, Grad students:
Utah/BYU-7500/2700, Doctorates awarded: Utah/BYU-57th/193rd in USA. Utah fits in nicely in the middle of the pack (12), thats the reason for the
KittenlitterBYU's legacy program won its latest national individual
award in 2001, the latest BYU player inducted into the College Football Hall of
Fame was in 2010, and BYU finished in the AP Top 25 five times during the
2000's, including four in a row from 2006 to 2009.The 80's were a
great decade for BYU, but the legacy continues.National Individual
Award WinnersBYU 2000's - 1Utah lifetime - 0Top 25
FinishesBYU 2000's - 5Utah lifetime - 5College Football
Hall of Fame InducteesBYU 2000's - 4Utah lifetime - 1 coach in
1959BYU's dusty trophies are what make BYU a legacy program.Utah's lack of any significant history before 2004 is why Utah is
decidedly not a legacy program.
@UteologyI actually like Utah and root for them most of the time.
Give Coach A a few years and we will be back and relevant around the state. It
takes time my friend. Wynnie is so bad that Utah is going to have a rough
season. I hope you realize that?
Future BYU schedules will also include: New Mexico State, Idaho, Lousianna Tech,
Utah State, San Jose State, Army and Navy each year also as quasi-conference
games. Home schedule will be weak nearly every year as they struggle to bring in
BCS conference teams that are willing to play in Provo. A poor home schedule is
one of the things BYU will live with as it looks to play the "bigger"
games against "bigger" opponents. The only BCS team that will come to
LES on a regular basis is Utah.
@Veritas Aequitas You have absolutely zero objectivity.I just
enjoy your creative spelling.--------------------Not
true, if you enjoy creative spelling you would objectively criticize others as
well. For example, your BYU homey bigsoccer's post, Versus's, wow I
thought you guys got away from that stuff. Oh well, at least your on some tv
right?Thus, my dear friend your obsession with my spelling and
grammar errors are just getting down right freaky. So I will repeat what I told
you last AugustUteology | 3:27 p.m. Aug. 26, 2010 @Veritas
Aequitas | 1:41 p.m. Aug. 26, 2010English is my second language so
if I confuse 'site' with 'cite' or 'your' with 'you are' is irrelevant on a
sports thread. However, if this was a school term paper then your feedback would
have been appreciated.
@forreal peopleYou my friend are absolutely clueless! Utah was
invited because of their superiority in football compared to the Y? Wow, you are
the biggest homer on this comment board. The Y carried Utah for YEARS! 17 top 25
compared to 5 total, 5 for the Y just in the 2000's! Do the math. It wasn't
because Utah's football program, or any other sport programs that lead them to
the Pac over BYU, that just isn't true. Look at all the national championships
BYU has in all other sports compared to Utah. Look at the average salaries from
BYU compared to Utah, it's almost double! Get your facts straight.
I can't believe all my BYU cohorts on this board. I hate it when I read the
comments on our BYU articles and have to deal with the likes of Hedgehog and
Chris B. Now we (you) turn around and do the same thing? Disgusting. Its a sad
day to be a BYU fan when we treat our rivals (and their boards) like this.
Trollanymous-You can have your "legacy." We'll take our
BCS bowls and the PAC12. Your "legacy" and $.75 will get
you a cup of coffee at 7-11 but it hasn't gotten you into a decent bowl game in
over a decade.
@AggieLuvaNew Rules...A) You can't make up cute names
for another teams QB if your QB has less wins than the cute name QB.B) You can't say "give my team a few years and we will be back and
relevant" while in the same breath say that the new PAC-12, the best
conference in the nation according to USA Today, team will be a doormat. C) Aggie "fan" can't talk smack until BYU allows his team
join the MWC.C)
Kalel1- I salute you, sir! You are a classy Cougar fan. May independence treat
your team well. May Jimmer become a great star in the NBA.
It is my understanding that the BYU games will be disrupting the airing of
"Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Riders". This is infuriating to me.
I haven't missed an episode in 12 years. How can I watch my team go up against
WAC heavyweights and still catch Gwenevere?
AggieLuva claims to be a USU fan, but her posts sure sound like the posts of a
BYU fan. I think her confusion comes from BYU stealing her team colors.
Uteology"If your going to talk .500 PAC-12 smack make sure
first that your team is .500 in the wikkity wikkity WAC."Newer
Rule:If you're going to talk .500 WCC smack, make sure first that
your team is .500 in the WCC - see Utah 2010.btw, "you're"
and "your" do NOT have the same meaning.
FYI to BYU fans...Here's a little something from your OWN
website:In 1984, BYU was aided by the fact there were no other
undefeated or one loss (and untied) teams to choose from. Since there wasn't an
official National Championship game at that time, BYU was the only logical
choice to be crowned the National Champion, by process of simple elimination.
And it was still a controversial judgment. Source:Article:
"10 ways for BYU to burst BCS bubble"from Total Blue Sports
@uteologySo yes I found the big10 network on my comcast. It is part
of the expanded sports package I purchased although I had never looked in the
400's before to find it and it is not listed on the channels available. So I would imagine if the pac10 is lucky they might eventually get their
network a similar spot as the big10 network on some systems. In otherwords
available if people want it and are willing to pay for it. Most won't be willing
to do that.But ute fans probably will so it will be good for them as
they may at least get to see some games.But I am absolutely willing
to wager the following. The pac10 network will not be available nationwide next
year. Keep in mind nationwide means that no matter where you live in the nation
you have access to it. But to give you a fighting chance let's say if it is
avaiable in just 75% of the households in the country I will not post on a
single ute article all season. I'm not a liar like wedgie so I will honor it if
ContinuedNow if it is not avaiable to 75% you will stay off all BYU
articles for the same time period. That will be defined as from the 1st day of
fall camp until the clock runs out on the bowl game that occurs latest in the
year one of the two teams is playing in.Now I am not saying 75% of
all households have to be subscribed to a cable or sattelite system that carries
the pac10 network, they only have to have one available in their area.Will you accept it?
who am i kidding? i wont live up to my end of the bet if I win. LOL!
You tell'im Ducky!
Quacky will not live up to this bet so it is futile to even consider it.
@Duckhunter"So yes I found the big10 network on my comcast. It
is part of the expanded sports package I purchased although I had never looked
in the 400's before to find it and it is not listed on the channels
available."See, that wasn't so hard. When you actually go look
for FACTS, things get done.I'll take your wager. When the Pac-12
Network is available in one of the packages offered by either Direct TV, Dish
Network or Comcast, when the 2012 football season begins, we can look forward to
you actually getting some work done during the day instead of posting 50 times
every afternoon on Utah articles.
Versus...I thought we were all running from versus. And now u brag that this us
national tv! Jokers to the left of me.
Hey! Who are all you hunter copy-kats?
@Uteanymousbtw, "you're" and "your" do NOT have
the same meaning. -----------Were you refereing to me or
your homey bigsoccer?And what is btw? Lets see if Veritas calls you
on it?BTW, irrelevant basketball smack in the middle of a football
conversation also does not have the same meaning... what's next swimming and
UteologyAs stated on the Total Blue Sports website, "This
website is an unofficial independent source of news and information, and is not
affiliated with any school, team, or league."The
articles/information posted on the website are the opinions of the individual
authors.Regardless, isn't every champion aided by other teams
losing? And since when is being undefeated the only criteria for winning a
national championship? There are lots of teams in the last 50 years who have had
undefeated seasons in major college football and still not won a national
championship -- see Penn State, Tulane, and Marshall.
@DuckhunterIf I don't post on BYU articles then who will educate BYU
fans about their own team? Sorry I made a promise to Cougar Nation when Bronco
said you guys were "uneducated" fans. I consider educating BYU fans a
community service so nope I do not accept.How about $100? I could
email it to you if you win and you can donate it to charity if I win.
TV coverage weak, better make it count. Gotta pay dues I guess. Hard to sell
recruiting with limited games.
@UteanymousNote that it is called Total "Blue" Sports not Total
"Crimson" Sports.Thus, those authors are part of Cougar Nation.
Granted their not of Duckhunter and Veritas type Cougars... they actually live
in reality. @VeritasSpeaking of objectivity, I am more
objective on BYU than you are on spelling and grammar errors:Uteology | 6:22 p.m. Sept. 10, 2010 My bad, I guess I should have
been a little bit more precise. I have said before I see BYU going 9-3 and Utah
going 10-2 this year. I have also said BYU will get exposed as in
thrashed, destroyed... like they have the last two seasons:2008:
@TCU and @Utah2009: FSU and TCU In 2010 look for that trend to
continue: @FSU, @TCU, and @Utah.
Who cares what channel Utah plays on in 2012?(Fox vs ESPN). Were in a far better
situation than our brothers & sisters down south. Look at their home
schedule (LOL). I'm sorry, but Idaho, New Mexico St, Bingham HS, Provo 4th
ward.....c'mon. Glad I'm not an alumnus digging into my pockets for those
games. Talk about getting cheated. I'd rather watch reruns of Jersey House
wives, than watch those Div 1 vs Div 2 games. Don't worry Coug's....you'll feel
the buzz when USC, Oregon & Stanford start coming to town. I never expected
Utah to get any decent TV exposure this year, but if their having a good year,
which I believe they will, ABC will pick up those games. I'm constantly amazed
how much time people spend on these forums. This is my first post in almost a
month. I've been enjoying the weather here in AZ (sucks for you guys in
Utah....)swimming in my pool, playing with my kids. Duckie, get out your
parents basement. Put down the PS 3, and call up that cute girl in your singles
ward. I'll pay for the date.
One Nil to the Arsenal,How many people are going to be watching
those awesome home games outside of KJZZ in SLC??? Ummm, that'd be NOBODY! Oh,
just to pour more salt in your envious ute "lack-of-TV" wounds for
2011, BYU just chalked up another Nationally televised game to this coming
fall's line-up: BYU vs. Ole Miss @ 4:45pm EST on Sept. 3rd...dang, this fun just
never keeps giving! Oh, and the BYU/Texas tilt as well as the game with Oregon
State has yet to be announced...which could bring a 6th and 7th Nationally
broadcast game(s) to BYU schedule...geez, not even 1 game into their
INDEPENDENCE, and the fun is lining up just fine for my COUGS. Keep
yur $21mil, and no TV appearances (to speak of), and we'll see where both
programs end up...go ask Washington State, your new friends in the PAC10.2
basement how things have been for them, and how things really will be for your
Utes...now where to be found on anything but regional and local telecasts...
I have to laugh at all the BYU fans who think that just because the Cougars are
on ESPN they've now got it made. If that's the most you've got to look forward
to you, then I pity you. The sky's the limit for the Utes with a BCS conference
affiliation, $$$, and of course, the chance to actually play for a championship.
BYU's glory days are long gone while the best is yet to come for the Utes!
Quack-a-maina,It must be dark in your momma's basement because even
with your TV Guide you are having trouble finding the Big 10 network. Just clap
and the lights will come on.MI kewg,You must not have read the
article you are commenting on. Utah has 3 televised games, which isn't good
this year but things in the future look bright. Plus, one of Nil's main points
was how pathetic your home schedule is. I didn't see you try to spin that one.
I hope you enjoy watching games against nobodies.
With the Ole Miss game announced today, BYU's schedule of ESPN games is starting
to fill up nicely.Sep 3rd - at Ole Miss - ESPNSep 10th - at
Texas - TBDSep 17th - Utah - ESPN2Sep 23rd - UCF - ESPNSep
30th - Utah St - ESPNOct 15th - at Oregon St - TBDOct 28th - at TCU
- ESPNDec 3rd - at Hawaii - ESPN/ESPN2
@MichiganCoogIts actually around $30 million. Washington smack again? Don't you guys ever read the rebuttal?Utah/TCU had less exposure then Washington State and Notre Dame, it didn't
help them match Utah/TCU on the national stage. Exposure on ESPN will not help
BYU. Sure more BYU fans will be able to watch them, which is great for you
guys. However, what good is exposure if you continue to develop
talent like Washington State, over 7 years: WSU 9 NFL players, BYU 11?
Specially if this trend holds:1. Ryker Mathews 4-star OL (BYU)2. Harvey Langi 4-star RB (Utah)3. Isaac Asiata OL 3-star (Utah)4. Nate Fakahafua 3-star WR (Utah)5. Travis Still 3-star WR (Utah)Again, enjoy ESPN exposure but if you can't win the in-state battle for
top recruits how are you going to compete? Remember in the MWC you had the
better recruits, the average class rankings according to Scouts:1.
BYU 46.672. Utah 68.223. TCU 70.784. Boise 72.11But on the field BYU was a distant #4.
Don't be worried, folks. That huge "gulp" sound you just heard
emanating from Highland, UT was Duckhunter reading williary's post from 3:41pm.
If even just one of the three (DirectTV, Dish, or Comcast) picks up the PAC12
package, Ducky loses the bet. There are a lot of witnesses here
tonight, Ducky. When the almost inevitable happens, we expect you to do the
honorable thing by a) not trying to convince us that you meant something else,
b) living up to your wager and staying off these boards for a year and c)
resisting the temptation to post under another name.I have full
confidence that williary will live up to his side of the bargain in the unlikely
event that neither of these three offers the PAC12 channel.
Uteology | 7:01 p.m. June 2, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @MichiganCoog"Its actually..."----Its...What
are you doing?"It's" spelled "It's... a contraction
from "It is"...."Well, actually", would you mind
waiting to post until you learn spelling and grammar?Versus is not a
real channel, and until you and other Utah fans understand this is a slap in the
face from the PAC, and stop diverting that issue, we as Utah fans will not be
satisfied.Uteology, you offend everyone that graduated from the
University of Utah and passed English 101.I could care less if
english is your first, second, or third language.Please, if you
graduated from the U, show you know how to spell on occasion.
Looks as if the Provo Elementary School opened up their computer lab for the
ZelphExists | 7:55 p.m. June 2, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT Looks as if
the Provo Elementary School opened up their computer lab for the day. ===Looks as if the U of U openened their computer lab the same
day.Sad the elementary school kids are kicking the tails off the Ute
One Nil to the Arsenal & Itchy,Oh contrare about BYU's glory
days gone by, you see they are set to grow 10 fold over what the past 35 years
of notoriety. And, ya'll question that notoriety? Name one Division
1 team that has an 8 year contract w/ ESPN, and that has as many appearances on
NATIONAL TV next fall? Then, that can even aire the 5 other patsies you've
referred to on other Nationally televised broadcasts (BYU-TV) that is on every
cable/sat. providers basic programming list? Name one school (besides BYU) that
has all 12 games (plus their potential bowl game) on NATIONAL TV? Name one
Division school RIGHT NOW, that has their own TV station, fully operational?
With a team that is returning 10 offensive starters and 8 returning defensive
starters that ended last season on a 5-1 tear, and only a 1 point loss to your
veteran UTES that had the game gift wrapped by a terrible call by the ZEBRA?
Hummmm? I think you get the point that your big brothers are so clearly defining
for you...good luck in the PAC10.2 basement, you're gonna need it!
This string is truly comical. Brought out all the regulars plus a few occasional
users plus some newbies. Interesting that this article brought so much interest
from BYU fans without even one mention of BYU in the article. You would think
that the article was about Jimmer with this much response. It even brought out
all the English professors among us. Always worrisome to see so much
hate spewed over something so trivial. Not healthy. Just think if all this
energy was put towards something productive. Waste of time, talents and
resources. I'm putting myself in the penalty box for a long hiatus for even
reading or commenting on any of this. Both BYU fans and Utah fans need to grow
up and focus their resources elsewhere. I for one will not waste any more time
on here "discussing" any of the teams I enjoy following - which by the
way - includes both BYU and Utah. I am ashamed of my guilt by association.
Can we get back to the story.The Utes are playing USC on
"Versus"...Not one of their many games, but one of
three.Talk about "swagger", or just stumbling?I am laughing out LOUD!!!
...Oh, and Arsenil...about your comment "you'll feel the buzz when USC,
Oregon & Stanford start coming to town"...sorry to burst your Ute
bubbles, but USC, Oregon, Stanford...and ASU, AU, WSU, Washington, Cal and UCLA
have already been to town, to PROVO that is...for years already...THEY'VE ALL
BEEN HERE ALREADY and for the most part have lost to BYU on multiple occasions,
as far back as 1985 when Robbie Bosco sent them Huskies back to Seattle w/ their
little doggie tails between their legs. Those darn dusty legacy trophies. Boy, didn't that just blow your point out the window. You ask why?
Because BYU never needed to be a part of the PAC10 to have them come to Provo,
because BYU has been a relavant program in the west and nationally since
1977...your Utes? that'd be since 2004 when College Football began keeping
"this article brought so much interest from BYU fans without even one
mention of BYU in the article"Actually UU32, BYU is mentioned
as that is one of three games scheduled to be televised currently and the only
game that Utah has scheduled that will be on ESPN next year. Did you skip over
that portion of the article and go straight to the comments section?
michigancoog, I understand your obsession with big brother owning your team in
the overall head-to-head series, then leaving you in the dust. You and your
friends are so jealous and obsessed that you out number the Utes fan's comments
on a UTAH article!Please, enjoy your regionally televised ESPN2
games! Only when you play the four big boys on your schedule will you have
national coverage.Reading these jealous responses reminds me of a
tee shirt worn by Greg Pruitt. On the front it read "Hello" and on
the back it read "Goodbye". Enjoy seeing the "Goodbye" on
the backs of the University of Utah as they move farther and farther ahead of
your mid-major school.
I got censored... so Version 2:@P. Sylvan"Well,
actually", would you mind waiting to post until you learn spelling and
grammar?I could care less if english is your first, second, or third
language.----------Sure, I'll start learning right now.
Let's look at your post, correct me if I am wrong but I think you intended to
say "English" not "english".What a typical self
righteous BYU fan.... priceless.
Midmajorforever,Thanks for your concern. But you chose the wrong
word...not obsession for Utah's joining the PAC12, but pity. You all got
shafted, and you all know it. USC on Versus? Come on, you all thought you were
leaving a disasterous MTN, VS, and CBS-sports, to only end up back on that
channel? If any that has had DirectTV last fall, couldn't even see and of the
games on VS. I hope for Utah's sake, that this problem has been resolved. Heck,
even Utah State has more TRUE National broadcasts this coming fall. Now, pray
that your green offensive backfield can gel very quickly so as to avoid a major
face-plant in your maiden PAC12 voyage, otherwise obsurity in the big-boy's
league will be Utah's lot.As for my Cougars, nothing than
"MOVING ON UP" on the National scene is right around the corner.Enjoy next season, an hope your Utes clear .500
Utah still got the best deal. Full access to bcs games, nc, great teams every
week. I will see every game live or on television. Versus has 77 million
subscribers including me. My Utes can lose multiple games and still go to a
great bowl game. Will have 20-30 million for my university plus a lot of
exposure throughout the country. As we win, we will get a lot of exposure. PAC
12 is such a better deal than flying solo. BYU is now the third best independent
team behind notre dame and Navy. Problem is that there are only 4 independent
KamUte"Versus has 77 million subscribers including me."BYUtv has 60 million subscribers on the basic tier of programming, and
that's just our fallback broadcaster for games not televised by ESPN (six games
on ESPN and counting for 2011).As far as Independents go, how
embarrassing is it going to be getting beat by the "the third best
independent team behind Notre Dame and Navy" this year?"My
Utes can lose multiple games and still go to a great bowl game."Or the Las Vegas Bowl. Your Utes could also lose multiple games and not even
qualify for a bowl. Luckily, the PAC 12 threw the Utes a bone their first year,
not scheduling Oregon and Stanford, with USC in dissaray. That won't always be
the case.As far as television scheduling, it's quite obvious the
networks don't see much value in televising the Utes.
All BYU fans regarding the USC TV deal,Go ahead and have your fun.
The truth is we all knew that TV this year for the Utes was going to be a wild
card. A sacrifice Utah made to get into the new league a year earlier. This has nothing to do with the new PAC-12 TV contract. The Utes are not part
of any existing TV deal so we have to take whatever we can get for this coming
season. Considering what is coming in following years it is worth the wait.Also, Versus is not tied directly to the mtn channel so there will be no
need for people to sign back up for the mtn to see the game. Versus has it's own
nationwide distribution and is part of most basic satellite or cable packages.
Mormon Ute"All BYU fans regarding the USC TV deal,"If it wasn't such an embarrassment to have our premier PAC 12 game on
Versus, we wouldn't be having to make up weak excuses to defend it.
UU32-Comment is right on the money. The U will land more games if the U
or the other team is hot.P. Sylvan-No question about it.
Being in the PAC-12 is far greater than being independent. the 1 out of 10 may
not be lying outright, but may be just plain crazy.
The Aggies are on national tv two games, wow and utah gets verses. Play the
aggies instead of Montana state and you will get on national. Schedule?
Being censored again, so try #4:@VeritasUsing different
user names to pull off spelling and grammar smack, just to make it look like
other BYU fans agreed with you. Really? You amuse me, how many usernames do
you have? I notice a common writing style in six.The
"Utahed" one is my favorite:P. Sylvan | 12:09 a.m. June 2,
2011"If the PAC loved Utah, they would have never "Utahed"
your football team by putting them on Versus."Veritas Aequitas
| 8:06 a.m. June 2, 2011"I think it would be harder to be a fan of a
school that got "Utahed" by their conference
MichiganCoog"Oh contrare about BYU's glory days gone by, you see they
are set to grow 10 fold over what the past 35 years of notoriety."You say that BYU's glory days are set to grow but offer no reason why other
than the whole TV/ESPN thing. Once again I say that if your your ESPN
appearances are all that you have to look forward to, then I feel sorry for the
poor cougies. Also, I think it's hilarious that BYU fans often call the U their
little brothers when Utah leads the rivalry 54-34. Also Utah was established in
1850 and BYU in 1875. Who's really the little brother here?
PACute,Whose making up excuses? I'm just stating facts and reality.
If any Ute fan out there didn't understand that this years TV coverage was
going to be sketchy, they haven't been paying attention. For months we have
known that we are not part of the current TV deal and therefore have to take
whatever coverage is offered no matter where that comes from.There
seem to be some BYU and even Ute fans who think Versus is somehow equal to the
mtn and that is just not the case. The mtn used versus as a vehicle to get some
of its higher profile games to a broader audience. This also served Versus'
goal of broadening its offerings beyond the hunting and fishing it has
traditionally offered. Obviously Versus is continuing its efforts and is
courting sporting events from all across the country.
aggieblue,Did you even pay attention to the article? It's our game
with USC that is on Versus, not the Montana State game.
"Who's really the little brother here?"Utah!When BYU has as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last decade as Utah has in its
entire existence, it's pretty obvious who the little brother is.Utah
may have lots of head-to-head wins during the leather helmet era when football
was little more than a club sport at BYU, butBYU is 29-20 versus
Utah during the WAC/MWC eraandBYU is 26-13 versus Utah
since LaVell became BYU's head coach and built BYU into a perennial
Top 25 program.
@Mormon UteI agree with you about the utah/usc game being on versus.
Versus is widely distributed on most basic tiers so most of the country will get
it. That isn't a bad thing. What is funny here is the irony of it, surely even
you can see that? And it is fun for BYU fans to pound utah fans with it since we
have to hear from so many of you all the time about BYU having games on BYUtv
despite the fact BYUtv is almost as widely spread on basic tiers as versus is.
The fact is that as long as ute fans are going to troll up every BYU
article with lame digs then BYU fans are going to return the favor on utah
articles. Rather than getting bent out of shape about it, and only complaining
about the side that irritates you, it is best to simply have some fun with it
and send a little back the other way. In otherwords lighten up a little and have
Mormon Ute"For months we have known that we are not part of the
current TV deal and therefore have to take whatever coverage is offered no
matter where that comes from."Your point is valid, but it also
invalidates much of the Utah fan chesting beating from the past year about the
Utes being this great, nationally respected college football brand.Is there any question that if Texas had joined the PAC 12, rather than Utah,
that the Texas - USC game on September 10th would have been picked up by
ABC/ESPN, even if Texas wasn't part of the old PAC 10 television contract?Guaranteed, the game wouldn't have been on Versus!Maybe
things will change next season, but for this year, it doesn't appear that Utah
is getting any respect from the PAC 12's television partners.
"In otherwords lighten up a little and have some fun."Wow,
this may be the first time I agree with Duckhunter on something.
@ItchyYou'd probably agree with me more often if you paid attention
to what I write instead of having a knee jerk reaction the opposite way just
because I write it. Either way glad we agree!
@ChristyAs a Ute I am proud of my schools ENTIRE football history:
from leather helmet days beginning in 1892, through the horrible 80s and
underachieving 90s, to the zoom past BYU to the PAC-12 2000s.On the
other hand I have no problem with BYU defining their football history beginning
Duckhunter,That's not my style. I like to stay positive and not
kick others when they're down, even if it is just in fun. I don't get joy from
other's misery. I only make comments on BYU articles when I think I can offer
something constructive, to correct erroneous information being spread or to
congratulate the Cougars. So go ahead and have your fun, if that's how you have
Duckhunter,Where does your obsession with everything Utah come from?
CG,It takes time to build respect. We've gotten enough to get
invited into the conference, but not even the most avid Ute fan can claim we
have anywhere near the respect in the media that USC or Texas have. Add to that
the fact that USC is hampered right now by NCAA probation and that brings down
the appeal of the game another notch. There may be some extreme fans out there
bragging up the Utes, but keep in mind many of them are just messing with you
BYU fans just like Duckhunter likes to mess with the Ute fans.Things
will have to change next season, because the new contract will be in full force
and I don't believe Versus was part of that deal. Versus is not even now a
PAC-12 TV partner. This was a game Fox didn't want, so it was offered up to the
highest bidder. Larry Scott is setting up a much different system as he puts
together the media package. Once the PAC-12 network is in place, there will a
lot more conistency to the coverage. I'm not worried.
Mormon Ute:You really missed the point. I said if you would play the
Aggies instead of scheduling the likes of Montana State, tv would pick it up for
the exposure with the aggies. But the u still avoids playing us. Why? Don't tell
because of the weak team wac or whatever. You play the big sky, remember SUU is
going to be a member. How will you deal with that.Come on, for the
national exposure of a rivalry game, put the aggies on your schedule.Go aggies
Itchy:"You say that BYU's glory days are set to grow but offer
no reason why other than the whole TV/ESPN thing. Once again I say that if your
your ESPN appearances are all that you have to look forward to, then I feel
sorry for the poor cougies."Apparently you didn't watch that
nail-biter last November at RES...you see, we cougies return 10 of 11 offensive
starters, and 8 of 11 defensive starters that nearly exposed your overrated
veteran team on you home field, except for some luck bounces and terrible call
by the zebras. Admit it, that your stomach was churning w/ the thought of losing
to your big brothers again, after being rated as high as #5 just 4 weeks prior
to that, and choked big time at ND and at home again TCU; followed by the
pasting your boys took in Las Vegas....Utah returns a nervous QB, nobody w/
experience in the backfield, no secondary, with not much of any TV time (thank
goodness for that)....need I say more? Oh, and ESPN just annouced BYU vs. Texas
on 9/10...count em...5 times in September alone!
Itchy...(con't)...and you ask why we coogs are all so giddy? Because
all that national publicity, following Jimmermania this past spring, and with
"JAKE-Mania" for the next 3 years, will only elevate BYU's national
prominence to heights that they have never seen before...that is why we are
excited for our cougars, and pity for leaving your Utes behind. PAC10.2? We'll see who has achieved more w/ leaving the MWC, and achieving
their goals better in just the first month of next season...BYU's future is
shining brightly, whereas your UTES? We'll talk about that in 3 years...That is
if ya'll are still around and not below Washington State in relavence in the
PAC10.2Can't wait for 9/17!
aggieblue,Montana State was a fill in game. Iowa State was
originally scheduled for that week, but they backed out. If Utah State had been
available, I'm sure we would have loved to play you, but your schedule was
probably already full.
MichiganCoog,Be careful with all your big talk. BYU and Utah have
taken the paths best suited for each of them. They are different paths, but
designed to help each improve beyond what they could do in the MWC. You don't
see a bright future for the Utes, because you have let hate color your
judgement. I see a bright future for both teams, but the pitfalls you say stand
in the way of the Utes also are there for the Cougars. If things go well both
teams stand to win big, but if things go badly both teams stand to be relegated
to the sidelines. Rational, objective analysts have actually stated that there
are more risks for BYU than there are for Utah. Your retoric rings hollow and
your credibility is diminished by the fact that there is no basis for your
Mormon Ute | 1:37 p.m. June 3, 2011 Kaysville, UT CG,"It takes time to build respect. We've gotten enough to get invited into
the conference, but not even the most avid Ute fan can claim we have anywhere
near the respect in the media that USC or Texas have."===Probably the most clear, sane answer from a Utah fan yet.I
think it is a stretch to believe that Utah will ever be USC or Texas, the same
as BYU will never be Notre Dame, but the reality is both schools have done
pretty well for being out of Utah.Also, as much as Utah fanatics out
of state hate hear it, I will be at any Utah or BYU game, football or basketball
game this year I choose, with free tickets.I'm excited to see both
schools do well.
Uteology | 9:29 a.m. June 3, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas Being censored
again, so try #4:===You can't blame the Deseret News for
wanting intelligent comments. But seriously, do you have a comment,
or a rant?Tell us why the greatest game in Utah History is broadcast
on Versus.Do you have an answer, or more minutiae?Take
your time and google it. Hope your anser doesn't get Jimmered, or
Mormon Ute,My credibility is diminished only to you, thru your
crimson colored glasses you might add. Two programs heading in opposite
directions, as was so obviously the case at the end of last season and through
out the spring just passed. Yes, maybe I am brimming w/ a little bit too much
confidence...but, 5 National Prime-time TV appearances in one month? Why
shouldn't we Coug fans have alot of excitement about? With the kind of talent
coming back, and the each of the 5 opponents very winnable games on all accounts
(especially the weeks following the Texas game :-) what's not to like?Pray for a 1-2 record for your Utes, because USC and BYU could ruin any
semblance of confidence for your Utes for the remainder of the season once they
leave Provo with another loss...
UteologyAs a Ute I am proud of my schools ENTIRE football history:
from leather helmet days beginning in 1892, through the horrible 80s and
underachieving 90s,...So what exactly, on a national scale, did Utah
accomplish, prior to 2004 that makes you so proud of your school's football
history?According to my calculations, it took Utah over 90 years
just to crack the AP poll for the first time.
@ LonestarRunner"So what exactly, on a national scale, did Utah
accomplish, prior to 2004 that makes you so proud of your school's football
history?"Utah has won more conference championships then byu.
Utah 24 - byu 23. With byu going Independent, they will never win another
conference title. Utah could win more conference titles as a member of the Pac
12. byu may have more bowl appearances then Utah. But, Utah has won
more bowl games and has been more successful in bowl games then byu. byu is
11-17-1 in bowl games, winning 37%. Utah is 12-5 (includes 2 BCS Bowl wins),
Winning 71%. There is football prior to 1972 and Utah does have a proud football
history. (except the 70's and 80's).
BleedRedUtah has only won 6 conference championships in the last 50
years -- that's about 1 every 10 years.BYU has won 23 conference
championships in the last 46 years -- that's 1 out of every 2 years.Besides, winning conference championships in the Rocky Mountain and Skyline
Conferences isn't exactly "national scale."Utah didn't win
a single bowl game of any significance before 2004. In fact, before 2004, Utah
had only beaten one ranked team in a bowl, and that team, Arizona, was only
ranked #20.Thanks to the proliferation of bowls in the 1990's and
2000's, Utah finally started playing in bowls after a 28-year drought from 1965
to 1991.Utah does indeed have a long football with lots of wins over
lots of medicre teams, but, except for 1964 and 1994, nothing of any
significance before 2004.
@LonestarRunnerSpeaking of intelligent comments, how did you
determine 90 years?According to College Poll Archive the Utes first
"cracked" the AP poll in 1947. Since the first AP poll game out in
1934 it took us 13 years not 90 years to "crack the AP poll" for the
first time.So since BYU history began in 1972 it took you guys only
2 years, first ranked in 1974 according to same source. Congrats,
impressive rise. No wonder ESPN wanted you so bad... you are too good for the
SEC and Big 12 combined.
Wow BleedRed and Uteology,You guys are just not winning this
friendly exchange are you. Living in Big10 country, no one remembers or knows
one thing about UTAH football prior to your 2005 Sugar Bowl appearance. Only 2
years prior to that (1964 and 1994) even came close to anything of note. Do you
really think anyone outside of SLC even cares what Utah did back in the 1930's -
1950's where most of what Utah has done (outside of the last 7 years) are you
kidding me? And you make an attempt to trash on BYU for what they've
accomplished since 1972, anyone else out there knows about what BYU has done,
but nobody does about Utah, except for the last 7 years, 5 of which has been
mostly equaled by BYU, except of course those 2 BCS appearances by Utah...yes,
very great accomplishments, no doubt.Now, when you want to talk
about College programs that have a "legacy" programs, that are duly
noted by the College Football greats, look no further than the College Football
Hall of Fame in South Bend, IN...(to be continued)...
...you see, in the College Hall, 6 former Cougar greats, including: LaVell
Edwards, Gifford Nielson, Marc Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Gordon Hudson,
grace the Hall, with many pictures and displays of Steve Young and Jim McMahon,
for their accomplishments in College and the Pros. Whereas, the only thing that
I saw in there for over 2 hours, was a picture of Utah celebration following the
2005 Fiesta Bowl...that is it. So, while you've got the chance,
leave the arguement alone w/ Lonestar, he's having you both for lunch...GO
Uteology "According to College Poll Archive the Utes first
"cracked" the AP poll in 1947. Since the first AP poll game out in
1934 it took us 13 years not 90 years to "crack the AP poll" for the
first time."Nice spin, as usual, but "cracking" the
AP poll means being ranked in the FINAL AP poll. Using your logic, BYU beat TWO
#3-ranked teams in 1984 and Utah was a Top 10 team in 2010.Try
applying a little logic and consistency to your spin.BYU cracked the
AP poll for the first time in 1977.By the time Utah cracked the AP
poll for the first time, in 1994, BYU had already cracked the AP poll TEN times.
BleedRed,Speaking of bowls, trashing BYU's record for not being that
great...lets just see who they've played, and who difficult is was to land a
bowl back in the 70's & 80's when BYU played a good chunk of their bowls,
and yes lost...but again lets see who they played: Oklahoma St (twice), Ohio
State (3 times), Penn State, Texas A&M, Michigan, UCLA, Colorado, Missouri,
Virginia, SMU, Indiana, Navy, Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington State, etc. Notice that
many of these teams (23 to be exact) are present day BCS opponents, 1 (SMU) was
BCS caliber back in 1980, and Louisville has since come into a BCS league. Count
em, 25 of 29 of those opponents were and are still significant BCS teams, many
of which have won Nat'l Championships (Ohio St, Mich, Okla, Colorado). BYU has
beaten 3 of those 4. Now, let's have a look at Utah's opponents, that they
played once bowls became plentiful: West Va, Wash St, USC (2), Ariz, Wisc, GT,
Pitt, Ala...not bad, but in times when everyone with a 6-5 record can get in not
during BYU's run of 15 straight bowls
UteologyAccording to the AP Poll ArchiveTotal Points in
the AP Poll RK Team Points33. BYU 121,21956. Utah 52,318Total Appearances in the AP Poll RK Team App Avg RK High RK33. BYU 235 15.23 168. Utah 77 14.87 2And MOST ImportantTotal Appearances in the Final AP Poll RK Team App34. BYU
1773. Utah 5Congratulations, Utah is tied with Cornell,
Miami(OH), Indiana, Dartmouth, and Holy Cross for 73rd on the list of all time
AP Top 25 Finalists
@MichiganCoogI looked at your bowl history and yes you have played
some great and storied schools. If byu is that great in its football history.
Shouldn't they have beaten these elite schools or at least have a winning record
in your bowl games against them. If you want to consider your football program
as elite, you have to beat the elite. byu during its "Glory Years"
only showed up to its bowl games just to lose most of the time. Some of your
bowl game wins, I will give you credit for, just like Utah's win over Alabama in
the Sugar Bowl is impressive! Utah has played BCS teams in their bowl history
and won most of them. Utah does have a proud bowl game history, even though
we've only played in 17 of them.
@ LonestarRunner "Besides, winning conference championships in
the Rocky Mountain and Skyline Conferences isn't exactly "national
scale."Neither is winning your 23 conference championships in
the WAC and MWC. Thats why those two conferences are called
"Mid-Majors" The WAC and the MWC are not respected conferences on the
"National Scale". Nice Try!
So,Bleed Red.Great take on the other topics.How do you feel about Utah plaing their first PAC game against USC on
Versus?How do you feel about getting "Utahed"?Where does this game weave into the storied history of Utah Athletics?Uteoleogy can help you out...
BleedRedYou missed the point. Your Uteology buddy was using Utah's
leather helmet era championships as proof the Utah had done something relevent
on a national scale before 2004.
@Veritas - "Tell us why the greatest game in Utah History is broadcast on
Versus."Nice try, greatest games happen in the postseason not
in September. For example, as of today the greatest game in Utah football
history was played on Fox Sports with a viewer rating of 7.5. @SwoopThe spin came from your homey LonestarRunner, that is why the term
"crack" was quoted. They were not my words, I just proved which team
"cracked the AP poll" first.Listen BUY fans...A) There is no argument that for 20 years (70s and 80s) the Utes were
horrible, while BYU dominated the wikkity, wikkity WAC (ala Bosie)B)
Just like no one argues that TCU/Boise/Utah zoom passed BYU over the last decade
on the national stage.C) No one argues that Versus has less exposure
than ESPN. D) Just like no one argues that playing USC/UCLA each
year will raise Utah's exposure in the recruiting hot bed called the Los Angles
market.In conclusion, by all means please enjoy your national
exposure on ESPN but let us enjoy our PAC-12 play regardless of what channel
"By the time Utah cracked the AP poll for the first time, in 1994, BYU had
already cracked the AP poll TEN times."True, but that wasn't
the argument. The argument was that in Utah football history it took Utah 90
years to crack the AP poll while BYUs football history is only relevant from
1972. Both are invalid."Your Uteology buddy was using Utah's
leather helmet era championships as proof the Utah had done something relevant
on a national scale before 2004."First Buster, that's not what
I said. I said I am proud of my entire history even when we were horrible.
It's BYU fans like you that just want to go back as far as 1972. Second, Utah finished #10 1994 so McBride has to be given credit for starting
the rebuilding of the Ute football program. Correct me if I am wrong but the
only better team in the WAC since then was #5 BYU in 1996.
Best MWC teams:1) 2008 13-0 Utah #2 (16 AP votes)2) 2010 13-0
TCU #2 (3 AP votes)3) 2004 12-0 Utah #44) 2009 12-1 TCU #65)
2008 11-2 TCU #7Where's BYU? Like I said last time BYU was in the
top 10 was in the WAC, with two of the greatest coaches in history, Edwards and
Chow. Maybe Bronco and Doman can lead you to greatness like those two, but its
been 7 years and you haven't even busted the BCS.
You do realize, don't you, Uteology, that if BYU shut down their football
program for the next 20 years, that the Cougars would still have more AP Top 25
finishes than the Utes when BYU started playing football again in 2031?That's a far Utah trails BYU in overall AP Top 25 finishes.
Top 5 finishes:Utah 2byu 2Top 10 finishes:Utah 3byu 4
Uteoloy,Oh how convient to leave off BYU in 2006 and 2007, 11-2
& 8-0, sixteen straight in the MWC, with 2 straight victories over your UTES
and TCU...yes, not undefeated, but that is what is about to take place over the
next 3 years for BYU, while Utah gets lost in the middle of the PAC10.2, whereas
TCU will move on to face Big Least opponents.Utah by no means has
passed up BYU, and never will, now that the Ute has joined the big boys league,
with not much exposure on TV; which is the point of this little exchange of
realities for both schools...like trains passing in the night...BYU on to fame
an glory, and Utah off to irrelevance yet again.
Uteology | 4:57 p.m. June 4, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @Veritas -
"Tell us why the greatest game in Utah History is broadcast on
Versus.""Nice try..."===Way to spin
it. Utah has it's opening game as a member of the PAC, representing
a BCS conference, and "IF" it was on a network, would be claimed as
the largest game in Utah history.However, since the PAC disrespected
Utah, and it is on Versus, your spin is it is meaningless.Sweet.
Uteology | 4:57 p.m. Fort Worth, Texas "B) Just like no
one argues that TCU/Boise/Utah zoom passed BYU over the last decade on the
national stage."==="Just like no one
argues...?"Seriosuly?Last Year:TCU 20 3
14 10 Final 47 UTAH 0 0 0 7 Final 7 Las Vegas BowlUTAH 3 0 0 0 Final 3 BSU 0 16 7 3 Final 26 Don't use TCU
and BSU to fight your battles for you. I think there are plenty out
there that will argue that Utah does not belong on the same national stage as
BYU. If you agree in "argument C" that versus is not ESPN,
the case is made that decision makers very much in disagreement about who
belongs on the national stage, and who doesn't. It's just not U...==="BYU will play defending Rose Bowl champion TCU at Cowboys
Stadium in Arlington, Texas, on Oct. 28 a neutral site matchup similar to the
Cougars' 2009 game with Oklahoma.The game will be televised
nationally on ESPN2 with a kickoff slated for 6 p.m."That's the
National stage...That "Utah zoom" is a beep beep beep
Top 1 finishes:BYU--- 1Utah-- 0