Is Bismack Biyombo a better 3rd pick than Enes Kanter? Guess the Jazz brass will
discover that soon as they're evaluating both. I've seen posters praising
him.The Jazz probably figure Williams will go 2nd, so are looking
hard at bigs in this draft.It'll be interesting to see how Jimmer's
workout with the Jazz affects who they'll pick at 3. Sounds like he held his own
well enough at the Pacers evaluation. His workout might affect that 3rd pick.
Jimmer is theirs to lose.Glad to see Emery impressed Corbin with his
shooting, which has been a minor question for some. Emery's defense goes without
I'm one of the guys who has been praising Bismack Biyombo. Here's why.While he's only 6'7 3/4" (without shoes, 6'9" with) he plays more
like a 7 footer. With a 7'7" wingspan, no player has ever registered a
wingspan that is nearly a foot longer than his actual height. Because of his
wingspan, he's going to be able to play both Power Forward and Center.Biyombo is extremely athletic and jumps like a kangaroo. Imagine Jeremy Evans
with a 243 pound muscular body? That's pretty close to what Bismack is. As a
matter of fact I'm certain that Evans will be the only player, currently on the
Jazz, that will be able to out jump Biyombo.Bismack is tough, vocal,
explosive around the basket, plays with emotion, works hard for positioning,
hates to lose, loves to defend the paint, doesn't back down from bigger heavier
players, willingly helps other players, is constantly working to improve his
game and will push himself to the point of exhaustion.How often have
the Jazz had a player with all those attributes?(cont.)
(continued from previous post)So, if Bismack's so great why isn't he
being drafted number 1?Biyombo has only been playing organized
basketball since the age of 14. Currently, he's 18 years old (turns 19 in
August) and his game is still developing. That makes him younger than Derrick
Favors.I know, I can already hear the words murmuring from the
mouths of many Jazz fans, "Oh no, not another soft Euro player."Nope, not not in this case.Bismack is from the Congo and
after reading many articles and watching videos of him play. I'm convinced he's
going to develop into an incredible player in the NBA. Whoever drafts him is
getting a diamond in the rough, one that is going to pay dividends for years to
come.I hope it's the Jazz. I'd love to see Biyombo get the chance to
play with Favors and Hayward. I believe it would only be a matter of time (six
months) before they would start to crush most of their NBA competition.There is only player I would draft ahead of Biyombo and that would be Derrick
Williams. (If available.)
Lets find our big man next year. Why waste the pick on an under-sized big?Nobody in this draft is better than PM,AJ,or DF. Once the Jazz fix the
terrible perimeter play, back court and shooting it will allow the bigs to be
much more efficient and put up better numbers on both sides of the floor.The Jazz had one of the worst back courts in the NBA last season, so
that has to be priority number one.
No way should the Jazz pick Biyombo at 3. He is too much of a risk--though he
likely won't be there at 12. He is a boom/bust pick--I've read that he shows
tons of promise on the defensive end and dominated the competition at the Nike
Hoops Summit but by all accounts his offensive game was the rawest at the camp.
Every highlight shows him dunking. He has nothing away from the hoop. Most
reviews say he is several years away from being able to contribute to a NBA team
since he will need to continue to develop his game--especially on offense. He
will also need to learn to control his defensive game as well to avoid foul
trouble. At 3 there will be other prospects available who can fill needs and
are much less of a risk.
Valanciunas buyout has raised to 3 mill. Williams (so far) refuses to schedule
workouts with anyone other than CLE and MN unless MN trades. Jimmer
did well in IND but the NY workout will be different and against much better
competition. Lets see how he does against Brooks. NY got players they felt would
give Jimmer trouble. The Knock on Biyombo is that he does not play
nearly as well in regular games as he did in the one Nike tournament. The refs
let him be very aggressive and get away with fouling most of the time in that
tournament.Biyombo is undersized but his max vert reach is good. He
will take a few years to be NBA ready. I would rather have him than one of the
Morris twins.The Jazz are going Knight or Kanter with the 3 unless
they trade down for Vesley. The 12 pick is a big question. If Jimmer continues
to test well they could take him but the Bobcats and Bucks could also.
@ rvalens2,If Biyombo is all that, and if Williams is gone before
the 3rd pick, why not draft Jimmer at 3 and Biyombo at 12? I bet he'd still be
there at 12.It's unlikely the Jazz can get two lottery picks that
will contribute sooner than Williams and Jimmer, so getting at least one of them
at 3rd is key. The 12th pick could then be used for a future development-type
player that has a big upside, like Biyombo.Biyombo could be taught
to shoot, IF he has any touch. That'd be key to his future. Unknown, so why he's
NBA has already said tnere will be no summer league. Bobcats tried to do one on
their own and the league shut them down. So like here nothing can be done with
ESA or Jazz workout place. Players on their own can unite and do what they want.
They need to get a little creative rent a college gym, cahrge a small admission
fee to pay for it and have a workout. This lockout will get ugly..
The GS pick next year will probably be late enough that the really good bigs are
gone. It is either Kanter or Vesley this year or some trade which is much harder
to pull off. Kanter is better than Greg Monroe and Jazz fans would
have killed to get Monroe last year. Now they have Favors the fans are very
picky. That is a good situation to be in.Having given up DWill to
get Favors, the big question about both Knight and Jimmer is thier ability to
run an NBA team. Knight lacks experience. Jimmer has experience but the BYU
offense was very unorthodox. It was a spread offense and then became a spread
offense with the PG being the primary shooter/spreader.Walker has
the experience but I do not like this years style of game. He had a somewhat
different style the 2 years before. I like both Knight and Jimmer
but I am expecting efficiency and a distributive style that makes the other
players better. Both can shoot when necessary and both can open up the inside.
The Jazz have to go to a 2 PG offense in my opinion. Knight AND
Jimmer is possible.
Drafting Jimmer @ 3 would be absolutely horrendous and recklessly stupid.Biyombo, nor Jimmer, will be wearing Jazz uniforms in a near or distant
What are the two biggest complaints Jazz fans have about the team?1.
Inconsistent outside shooting.2. Not much defense in the paint.Bismack will help solve one of those problems, defense in the paint. It
isn't going to matter much that his outside shot is suspect. Favors, Hayward,
Millsap, and Jefferson can handle the shooting. Besides, with Bismack's work
ethic, the shooting touch will come. Or have we all forgotten how awful Karl
Malone was at shooting free throws when he first came in to the league?I'm not saying that Bismack is going to become Karl Malone but he does exhibit
a work ethic we haven't seen in anyone since Karl.The first time
Jazz fans see Biyombo take off from the foul line and absolutely crush the rim
with a monster dunk will be a real eye opener. His off the charts athleticism is
going to seem other worldly.The Jazz are always saying, "We
want to draft the best athlete." Well, if Derrick Williams isn't available
then Bismack is, in my opinion, the next best athlete.
Sorry mr Burley but the Jazz have had experience at having people who are
6'7" tall guarding Gasol, Odom, Durrant, etc. It is not fun as they hold
the ball above their heads while the 6' 7" people jump and jump. Nto
exactly like JJ Berea but you get the idea.Kanter is years ahead of
this guy and in great physical shape. Out of all the people at the tryouts he
stayed on the treadmill 4th longest that includes the guards. He is 6' 11"
and he is 255 and has a somewhat developed shot and can swat the ball.The Jazz backcourt is plenty good. Hard to get an assist when you throw
theball to people who can't shoot like CJ, Bell, Price, Elson Fes and AK to name
a few. That many bad shooters makes me wonder who the worthless shooting coach
is and why don't they replace him.The Jazz need to make the move to
get Williams. All the above can be used for trade purposes to MN to get the 2nd
pick. Williams is the pick of the draft.
Will it matter?Trade everybody who is good...To
contending teams...The Jazz...Is the NBA feeder
Take Kantor at the 3. He is an athletic BIG and you can't hardly find them in
the NBA let alone one with 5% body fat and 255lbs.Bigs, Bigs, Bigs.
Always take a good one whenever you can get one.You
can't teach height/bulk. There are plenty of shorter guys you can get via other
options.We had to trade Deron Williams to get Favors. Bigs don't
@Doug10- I agree that I would rather have Kanter at #3 due to his size and all
around game. I don't see him being much of a defensive player, but he will
score and rebound.However, what you don't understand is that Biyombo
has a standing reach that is actually greater than Kanter's. Standing reach
(and vertical jump/athletism) combined with a solid body is huge in the paint
and Biyombo has it. I agree with the guy from Idaho that Biyombo will be a
defensive force in the future. If we still had the #6 pick, he would probably
be my choice.
Biyombo is years away from playing in the NBA. He does have the Max Vert and
reach to play in the NBA in spite of being Millsap's height. The Jazz would
trade down if they really want him.I do not see the Jazz trading
down. They will take Knight, Kanter or Vesley if they are really impressed after
seeing Vesley in person. It is possible that some team moves up and
grabs Knight or Kanter at 2 and Williams falls to 3. I doubt if Williams is much
better than Millsap at PF but he COULD play SF. That is the big question about
Williams.CAN he really play SF? Can he guard Durant and King James?
Can he score against them? Kanter is just a quick a Williams and bigger. Williams refuses to workout so there is no real way of knowing IF he can
actually play SF. I suspect he is Ty Thomas maybe with a better attitude. Try waving a good draft pick at CHA and I bet you could get Thomas.Williams will only be able to play SF against 1/2 of the teams. How useful it that to the Jazz?
There is a reason why MN wants to trade the 2nd pick. Williams is
not better than Beasley. Beside the fans hate Flynn and MN is not
getting Rubio. Do not be surprised if MN takes Knight or Kemba. They
would like to trade down and get one of them but there is a risk of losing both.
They have the option of taking Williams and then trading Williams and Flynn for
a PG and something. Jimmer could actually run the triangle (as it
demand little of a PG) and should be of interest to MN.There are a
lot of options in this draft for getting what you need.
I love Biyombo, but I wouldn't take him at 3, Kanter is very talented, tough,
can rebound very well, has very good offensive game. I really hope we get him. I
don't agree that he is undersized, he's as big as half or more of the centers in
the league. He's 6'11 with a 7'1 1/2" wingspan, not the longest but good
enough.The 12 spot is anybodies guess, I think Jimmer would be a pretty
safe pick, we know he can shoot, he has good handles and can create. We need
If Williams doesn't want to play for the Jazz, but gets drafted by them and
eventually signs a contract, will he stay? Or will he pull a D-Will and make the
Jazz trade him before his first contract is up?Could Williams, after
being in Utah a year, decide it's not so bad after all? I doubt it. He's likely
thinking big market.Therefore, who's the next best player in the
draft if Williams wouldn't be drafted? My money's still on Jimmer. He's a
difference maker on a team that doesn't have one, let alone a PG that can
actually lead a team (assists).
No one would draft Jimmer at 3. NO ONE. Jimmer at the 3 pick is nothing short of
ridiculous. And that's coming from a non Jimmer hater. Come on, be realistic. He
will be there at 12 when the Jazz choose to pass on him for a second time. Late
lotto pick at best. Is he a good player? yes. Is he a 3 pick? Absolutely NOT. I
guess I'll just have to wait until draft day to post the "told you so"
comments when Jimmer gets picked in the late teens, see you then.
Jimmer for the 3rd pick? Really??? Hate to disappoint but the most recent
DraftExpress Mock has Jimmer dropping clear back to the Pacers pick at 15 which
is why they had him in for a trial. I'm not sure he is a good pick for even the
12 spot. If Chris Singleton is there we should nab him. We need a little
@ Large Tuna & OlrandoJazzFan,You're Jimmer doubters. You'll get
Jimmered. Wait and see.With each team evaluation, he'll begin to
show he's not such a defensive liability as most think. He'll also show he can
be the best trey shooter the NBA has EVER seen. And, you can't put a price on
that!He's already shown with just the Pacers that he does have PG
skills--that he can easily handle the ball against quick guards.His
defense will improve because he wants it to. Attitude to improve is very big
with teams. I'd bet less than half of current NBA players have that attitude.Take LeBron for example. He mostly rests on his laurels. With his innate
talent and shooting touch, why doesn't he put constant pressure on teams? He
doesn't. He coasts a lot. Sometimes he looks like he doesn't know what to do
next, instead of making his defender defend. That's why I'm down on him.Jimmer will never have that issue.
MN just made a deal with Rubio which changes a lot of things. They
still do not need Williams but they should not take Knight or Kemba. They do
need Kanter or Valancuinas who may slide due to contract problems.The Jazz could get Williams unless MN trades down. I am not sold on Williams
and his CA attitude nor his ability to actually play the SF position all of the
So, Bugoff, who should the Jazz pick at 3rd if you're not sold on Williams?
Jimmer? Certainly not Knight (too young, inexperienced, and slight). Certainly
not Kemba--Jimmer outshone him at the Combine. Who's left that's not a risk?I can't think of another player than Jimmer that should be taken that
high. All other bigs are projects. You don't draft projects at 3.Jimmer isn't a project, but might take a year (or half of one) to come up to
speed with the NBA game. I see him jelling in the NBA as quickly as Stockton
did, not that he'll lead in assists like John, but you never know.Maybe Jimmer at 3 and Kanter or Biyombo at 12?
@WhatsInItForMeKanter is not a project...he is possibly the best Big
on the Draft...but...i would love the jazz to take Jimmer...we need his outside
shooting and he handles double and triple teams effectively...
watsinitforme: I love Jimmer, but your like the poster cjmiles, your unrealistic
about Jimmer, that being said, if Knight can go 3, I guess Jimmer could.I'm not that high on Knight, I've asked Locke (who has been doing breakdowns
of players) to tell me what nba ready skills does Knight have that Jimmer
doesn't. No response. To me Jimmer has more nba ready / level skills than
Knight, Jimmer is a better shooter, a better dribbler/handler (great
crossover/double crossover), Jimmer is quicker, stronger, Knight is faster,
Jimmer finishes better after contact. I'm not saying Jimmer is the best player
in the draft, I'm just saying he is as good or better than Knight. I know Knight
is young and has the chance to improve because of that but to me the player who
develops his point guards decision making skills will end up the best. Jimmer
already is a better shooter, handler. Time will tell.
@ Kakashi,How is Kanter not a project if he's never played the game
much?What's your definition of a project? One who's never had the
ball in his hands?@ Captain L,The main reason I'm so
high on Jimmer, aside from his obvious offensive skills, is his character. The
kid never fails (long-term).All great players have their downs, and
bad games, etc. But all great players improve over time, making their weakness
vanish.Jimmer will do that more so than any player in this year's
draft. It's in his character to do so.I don't think I'm a bit
delusional about his future. I've seen enough to know whatever he sets his mind
to, he accomplishes.Whether it takes him a month, a year, or five
years, he'll end up on top of the heap in the NBA, Jimmering all his doubters.
He can jimmer everybody on another team. I don't want the jazz to become a run
and gun team like the knicks and the suns.
Jimmer at 3 is very difficult. He is climbing the board and the probability he
is available at 12 is decreasing. If he starts getting workouts
from top 10 teams the Jazz have to decide if they take Knight or Kanter at 3 or
if they can move down to 4-6 to get Jimmer before SAC. That would give the Jazz
Jimmer, the 12 pick and some other asset. The most crucial question
is who of Knight, Jimmer and Kanter will produce the best net points
differential in the overall team effort. Who would help the Jazz outscore their
opponents the most by both team offense and team defense. Jimmer is
more NBA ready than Knight. Knight MIGHT have more career upside. Knight is as
fast as Rose. The key though is who can run the team best in the
long run? The PG position is more important than Kanter since the Jazz have
Favors. Perceptions ride on the NY workout. If Jimmer does well he
shoots into the top 10 picks. IF he struggles to defend Brooks and
falters against the D specialists NY brought in to test him then he will be
there at 12.
Jimmer has more value to the Jazz than any other team. He allows them to raise
prices and create other sales. The financial side of the Jazz want
Jimmer for the increased revenues. He will be a decent player for another team
but he will not have the effect on revenues for other teams that he will have
for Utah. In the long run IF Jimmer increase revenue a lot more than
he costs in salary he gives the Jazz more money to buy more overall talent
(depends on hardness of cap). That is one of the reasons Jimmer is
very hard to evaluate. His value to the Jazz goes beyond his playing capability.
IF there is no difference in actual team performance among Jimmer,
Knight and Kanter the Jazz go with Jimmer for financial reasons. If
there is a big difference the Jazz go with best player as a winning team will
Bug: Your rihgt, the Jazz FO won't pick Jimmer unless he makes sense from a
winning perspective, the added financial boost from his popularity is a bonus
but it's his basketball talents that will determine if he is picked. It is
hard to project what Knights upside will be, will he fill out and get over 200
lbs and strong, so he can bang on his drives to the hole, or will he remain like
Harris and stay skinny are struggle to finish is traffic etc? I don't see Knight
being like Rose or Westbrook, he not as good an overall athlete as they are.
That being said, I don't know that his upside is much better (if any) than
Captain....I am a bowl full of strawberries compared to Whatsinitforme. He is
way over the top. I least can admit when CJ is playing horrible. Jimmer plays
zero defense and Whatsinit thinks he should be on the all defensive team. Plus
he feels that Jimmer and Emery would be the best backcourt in NBA history. Now
that's over the top.
I don't think the Jazz will be seeing anyone in Europe that they are considering
at 3, but I'd bet that there is at least one of the top Euros projected to go
top 10 that slips to 12 because he's European.Personally I like
Kanter and Knight at 3 and Singleton at 12, but I think KOC will make the right
choice. I wasn't happy with Hayward last year and now I think he could be a
star, so lesson learned.And to the Jimmer trolls, I don't think
Jimmer's own mother would pick him at 3. If the Jazz love him just pick him at
12, he will still be there.
@ CJ Miles, et al,I'm way over the top about Jimmer because he's
capable of Jimmering all doubters.Time will tell. My support for him
will in time be vindicated.I pay a lot more attention to the IT
factor in people than their perceived talents and shortcomings. Why? Because
that factor wins in the end.Players with the IT factor overcome
their shortcomings. Nash is a prime example.Jimmer already has a
head start on his competition from his scoring ability. It's just a matter of
time, and I don't think all that long, before his so-called defensive
shortcomings are mute.There isn't a player in the draft--none--who
puts the kind of pressure on a defense that Jimmer does. You can't buy that, but
you can draft it!
Like I said, over the top!! In the Pacers said his defense was what they
thought it was....Non-existent!!
Whatsinit ForMe: I hope your right.CJMiles it has only been the last
half the season you started to soften and talk more realistic. You do need
credit for doing that though.
@WhatsInItForMeyou are one funny guy...i bet all you watch is jimmer
all day...and you havent gotten a chance to watch Kanter play...Kanter has very
solid offensive skills...rotates well on defense but does not play above the rim
on D but an excellent rebounder...Is that what you call a project? a
Project...is a guy who has one skill set and lacks every other one...Bismack
Biyombo is a project since he has limited offensive
game...Kanter...however...isnt like Biyombo on D...but he isnt a liability on
D...that means...he has very good offensive skills and decent D...better pick on
roll defender than Al Jeff...so...if you think Kanter is a project...then you
dont know basketball...have you even played at least HS varsity basketball?...
@WhatsInItForMeyou are funny...lol...Enes Kanter Rebounds the ball
well...has a sound offensive game and is not a liability on D...overall he is
that good...the definition of a prospect is a guy who is relatively talented on
one end...and absolutely Raw on the other...like Bismack Biyombo...a project can
also be very athletic...yet has raw skills...Enes Has solid sound offensive
skills and he could play right away...he is a better rotation defender than Al
Jeff...so if Enes Kanter is a project to you...you must be blind...get rid of
your Jimmer vision...lol....
Why aren't. These guys coming to slc? Isn't this kanters second slight of the
As mush as I've laughed at the Jimmer @ 3 - I think I'm coming around to the
idea. I really wanted the Jazz to take Chris Singleton at the 12 instead of
Jimmer. Why not have our cake and eat it too. Jimmer's scoring and Financial
boost at 3 and then everyone slides down a notch so we are assured Singleton and
his defense will be available at 12. Jimmer and Singleton would be two great
additions for the Jazz.
I still like Kanter as my #1 choice, unless some info changes my mind, but
second to Kanter, I would probably go with Biyombo, I like his upside, I know he
is raw offensively but everything else I really like and I think he can and will
develop on the offensive side. Everyone is OK with Knight having to
develop but Biyombo has way more upside, the more I think about it the more I
like the idea of BB even at the 3 spot. KOC and staff are going over to look at
him and if they pick him , it would be because they have researched him and feel
he'd be worth it, I would be very much OK with that. If not maybe he's too far
away in his development. I'd love to see him fall to 12 and we get him there.
SAC is bringing in both Jimmer and Kemba to go head to head. If Jimmer does well
he may go at 7. DET (8), CHA (9) and MIL (10) are also possibilities. I watched Kidd make TOs tonight. Jimmer has to be better than Kidd at this
point and Kidd is playing for a championship. On Knight, he has all
the tools and plays good D. He is slight but he biggest question is how well he
will run a team. He tends to have some trouble seeing the field. That probably
fixes with experience and he can play SG. However, DAL went small
with 2 PGs and Jet to win in the last 6 minutes. Perhaps there is over concern
about the size of the guards? It they can set picks, shoot and keep their man in
front of them that seems to work. Wade and James were shut out in the last 6
minutes by small guards.I do not see the Jazz grabbing one of the
Euros. They are not NBA ready and Vesley can not shoot. Moutie is a stick. Kanter or Knight are fine at 3. Jimmer is a stretch.
@OrlandoJazzFanwhy not trade down the third pick for two more picks
+ a quality player...we could get Jimmer Biyombo and Singleton...i'll just wait
and see what the brass would do
If Kanter is capable of playing the NBA game (without bad knees), in spite of no
"real" college experience, the Jazz wouldn't go wrong in picking him
at 3. His 34/12 vs future lottery types seems to be his only claim to fame, as
far as experience goes. It's a big IF, though.I thought Williams did
well enough in the Combine to merit consideration if he's available at 3.I also think Jimmer's exactly what the Jazz need at PG.So, I
have a conundrum with this draft. I'd prefer to see Jimmer go to the Jazz at 3,
but it's also tough to pass up good bigs, and there doesn't seem to be many
"ready to play" (non-projects) in this year's draft outside of Kanter
and Williams.I'm not sure about next year's draft for getting a
decent big. Who knows how high the Jazz first round pick might be then.Rubio's pick-up by Minnesota really changes things for the Jazz 3rd pick. They
likely won't take Irving or Knight. So, one of the bigs will be gone by the 3rd
Jimmer dominated Knight at the Pacers workout.
Derrick Williams will go number 1....Enes Kanter would go number 2...we might
have Irving at 3.....but why not trade down...for two more picks?...or probably
packaged the pick with some players for next year's lotto pick....
If Irving is slipping to 3 because Cleveland sees more value in a big, even
though it's been hammered for some time in the mock drafts that they'd take
Irving, I suspect Jimmer's rise in the lottery picks might be making these other
lottery guards not so enticing.In other words, if Irving and Knight
are all that, why wouldn't they be going sooner than 3?After a few
more team evaluations, it wouldn't surprise me that Jimmer becomes the first PG
picked in the draft.Good bigs are hard to come by, and Williams and
Kanter seem to be getting good props lately.Could Biyombo sneak into
the top 5?
Kakashi; There is no way of knowing who is going to be in the lottery next year
or where in the lottery they would be, so saying trade into next yrs lottery
doesn't make sense.Shaybo: I don't know where you getting your info about
Jimmer dominiating Knight at the Pacer workout, Knight wasn't even there. Jimmer
played against Nolan Smith of Duke.
As much as I like BB, I think he is too raw to get into the top 5, in fact if
anything, I think he may slip alittle. I wish KOC would give us more info
about how they like the players their working out. It won't happen but it would
@Captain Lthere are perennial lotto teams...take a pick...base it on
their roster...in other mock drafts...Biyombo's stock is falling....i say trade
up...Irving may be good...but i doubt his work ethic....i'd say trade up...grab
jimmer...singleton and donatas or Biyombo...i think that's a more sound
Kakashi: We have a draft pick in the lottery of a perennial lottery team, GS.I'm still hoping for Kanter at 3 and Jimmer at 12 but who knows, if they take
Knight, then there are a half a dozen players they may be targeting. Montajunas
would be a good pick, he's pretty talented.
im pretty sure...Williams would go 1...kanter would go 2....its either Irving or
Knight for us...and Cleveland's 4th pick would get the one we dont choose...un
less we trade down for two picks...we would have three picks this year...we
could end up getting...either of the following
players....Jimmer...Singleton...Jeremy Tyler...Donatas...Biyombo...think about
it...we could even get mack...
CaptainL: Your right, it was Nolan Smith not Knight, but if Nolan Smith couldn't
stop him neither could Knight.
Kemba has backed out of the head to head with Jimmer at SAC. Further, IF Valanciunas does not get his buyout worked out he could slide to
12 where the Jazz would have to consider him. He would be available in 2012 with
no buyout.Knight is as quick as Rose which is a lot faster than
If PG quickness were a guarantee for winning championships, why are Miami and
Dallas there? Neither has one of those quick PGs starting for them.It's one thing to have quickness (Iverson did), but another to be able to lead
a team (Iverson didn't).I think quickness is overrated. It's nice to
have, but not a prerequisite to NBA success (team-wise, that is).Look at the very best PGs of the NBA, past and present. Most are not
considered quick.If a player has the IT factor AND quickness, watch
out. I haven't seen that yet. Rose might one day develop, but so far he's just
@WhatsInItForMei agree with you to some degree...i think the most
important thing about a PG is Basketball IQ...decision making...shot
selection...Speed is a bonus...there are some who would say...how can he defend
the other quick PGs?...as far as im concerned...basketball is a team sport...if
you apply a very tight and good defense...even if our PG is slow...as long as we
have help defense...and good rotations...the speed would be nullified...its time
the Jazz improve on team Defense...not just one on one D...that wont win us
championships...just look at the Heat and the Bulls D...when ever someone drives
in..they fill a hole...they rotate...quickly...its a matter of positioning..and
when you would rotate to help...i sure hope Ty Corbin improves our D...
Stockton proved you don't have to be the fastest, quickest, tallest point guard
to be the best. He played the game the right way, I think Jimmer can do that if
given the chance and coached the right way. Maybe I don't know Jimmer as well as
I think , but I think he will be willing to pass first and sacrifice his
offensive game for the good of the team. That being said, his potential is what
ever he wants to make it.
@Captain Li think every player has the potential to do
whatever...they just need to put the work in...to become that type of
player...Jason Kidd didnt have an outside shot till he was old and lost his
step...i think for Pros...its important for them to constantly improve and
change their game...i think they have that potential to improve their game or to
change it...that's why they are in the Pros...
I think JImmer has the right attitude, he just needs an organization and
coaching staff that encourages him in the right direction. He'll put in the
@Captain Li agree...i think the kid has the potential...i sure hope
the jazz get him...i hate to be the guy saying..."i told you
so"...when jimmer explodes...
Jan Veseley is moving up the draft lists 6'11" small forward freaky athlete
might be the answer for the Jazz as well.
I have been on the Kanter bandwagon for a month or more and I still like him but
I watched some video of him (although it was HS) and he was terrible on D. No
effort, standing straight, hands down, acted like he could care less. I still
think he is tremdously talented but that causes me some concern. Vessely
may end up being a very good pick, I just worry when a player can't shoot, 47%
free throw shooter isn't encouraging.Knight may be OK , he is smart and
his coach says he works real hard. I think Jimmer will work just as hard
and is smart and will adjust to what ever is asked of him. To me the best
senario would be to get a big at 3 and Jimmer at 12.I like BB and if we
took Knight at 3 and got BB at 12, I'd like that.
I don't believe Knight is better than Fredette at anything, he is not worthy of
being the 3rd pick in the draft plus he has weaknesses, can't go left or finish,
both of which Fredette can. He could improve on the going left part but
finishing is not something that is going to just come to him once he gets in the
NBA, he will probably never be a good finisher which is imperative for a
playmaking point guard.I can't believe that someone like Veseley who
is a pretty good 3 point shooter won't get a lot better on the foul line so i'm
not that worried about that.