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Dick Harmon: BYU football program doing its best to get bigger, faster and stronger

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  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 28, 2011 11:04 p.m.

    "OK, since it's spring, I'll bite."

    I don't think it has to be spring for Dick to bite or dispense the latest BYU spin.

  • Target Provo, Utah
    May 28, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    Is anyone surprised that Howard S. is the first one to post on a BYU article?

    NOPE. That speaks volumes about him, doesn't it?

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    May 28, 2011 11:42 p.m.

    My father used to say "Bench pressing is for picking yourself up off the ground- after someone who squats just knocked you down." In all seriousness, most people's ideas of a good workout are completely wrong- at least for those who are athletes. Most of these result in slow reaction times, when- especially in football- explosiveness is the key.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    May 28, 2011 11:43 p.m.

    and.... once again, cue the trolls in 3... 2... 1....

    I, for one, and glad they are taking a new approach to conditioning beyond strength. Injuries will ruin a season faster than anything else, especially at key positions. Even with all this depth this coming season, I like the attitude of doing it better and doing it smarter than in years past. Should breed success.

    As for accounting for 2 more wins... we'll already win them all, so let's bank the two "more" wins for 2013 (raincheck them for when we play Nebraska and Notre Dame). Or maybe VATech or Penn State. Glorious to be independant!

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    May 29, 2011 12:11 a.m.

    Hmmmmm I see Dick is still foaming!!!

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 12:39 a.m.

    Independence, ESPN, Elite athletes, Top notch coaches, and now Nutritional and positional specializing. Can't wait for the results! Football cannot start soon enough.

    Look for the team up north to start their own "Nutrition and Position" program.

  • SAMarshall PALMYRA, NY
    May 29, 2011 12:50 a.m.

    Bane, when exactly do you think we'll be playing Nebraska? While I hope we get some good games (and it looks like we are, even if they are away/neutral), Nebraska isn't going to be one any time soon.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 1:23 a.m.

    "Breaking down the groups and focusing conditioning efforts is something BYU has needed for a long time and was underscored by a rash of hamstring pulls during two-days in August in recent years."

    If they want to cut down on injuries they should cut out the eco challenge. That thing tears players down so that an injury is just down the road a few weeks.

  • SJ Bobkins Gilbert, AZ
    May 29, 2011 1:38 a.m.

    This should correct the "it's just a game," or "why is sports a big deal, I'd rather sit home with Oprah and read my BOM", mindsets. ITS WAR BABY, we versus them, with the entire Universities reputation on the line, and THE FUNDS TO FUEL THE ENTIRE SPORTS PROGRAM in reach. If the choice is 1-winning Nobel prizes or 2-National Championships there is no question.
    DH-Happy you gave us an update, recall the day the entire department, all its Finns, and Omer, were decertified for improper injury care and lack of training. Thanks Bronco, you see a need, we'll fund it

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    May 29, 2011 1:43 a.m.

    The Y is going to have to be stronger and faster to catch Turbin this year. He's going to use those defensive linemen as bowling pins. The Y is going to have to do a lot of squats and pushups to get up after Turbin puts them on the ground. Go Aggies

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    May 29, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    I knew we would have an aggie chime in and try to turn things to how usu will beat BYU. Boy, give them their one win in a couple of decades and they go crazy. BYU will win this year and will do it so that usu fans will keep out of articles about BYU for another two decades.....oh except for Aggie84 who never seems to learn.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    With all the comments about playing Nebraska, Notre Dame, Penn State and Va Tech...why is no one mentioning San Jose State, Idaho, Nevada and LaTech?

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    The Y's strength and conditioning program under Omer is about 10 years behind the times.. Sorry but implementing these changes THIS year makes that program (S+C) look pretty bad.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 29, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    Re Aggie84.. With all due respect, there is no way BYU will lose to the Aggies again this year! Sorry, it just ain't going to happen!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:33 a.m.

    Bronco is a good coach and sees the need for more core strength. There are reasons why some of the smaller teams dominated larger teams. Boise is a great example. The worked on being quicker to the ball, lateral movement, balance, getting up, etc. The post about squats is true. Upper body strength is important in football but not as critical as legs and back. I saw over 20 of the Utes working out at Lifetime fitness two weeks ago and noticed that they spent most of their time on core strength and legs.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    Interesting column Dick. I enjoy reading about the things the program is doing to help increase their competitivness. This fall we will find out if it makes a difference. Keep letting us know so we can be aware and know what to watch for.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 29, 2011 7:53 a.m.

    @SAMarshall
    A 3 game series with Nebraska is already confirmed. Each team will get a home game and the third game will be half way between the two in Denver. The date has not been confirmed, but speculation is the first meeting will be in 2013.

    @Aggie84
    Aggies are actually my second favorite team and I cheer for them in all games except one. You're going to see the 2011 Cougars will be unlike the team you met up with last year. Unfortunately for the Aggies, last year's results will not repeat. I hope Turbin has a good year, but the D Line and Linebackers will be one of our strengths and Turbin doesn't have a chance to "bowl them over."

    Everything the Cougs are doing is setting them up for a great season (at least 10-2), but as young as they are 2012 is going to be even better. Go Cougs!

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    May 29, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    Could you please not refer to the New Mexico Bowl in an article about BYU. For crying out loud its like playing Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, Utah State and San Jose State at home in a regular season game next year. So demeaning and not very National Championship like. I am running out to buy my season tickets right now so I don't miss one home game this year. One more thing I am really really ticked about Utah receiving an additional 10 million a year on top of the 21 million. That makes 31 million total. That's just not fair. I am so depressed right now. Why has everything gone so terribly wrong for us.

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    Good one Aggie84, I can't control my laughter. Yes, you caught BYU in a rebuilding year last year, and a Defensive Coordinator that finally got the boot after serving up a big fat zero last fall. Well now, prepare your aggies for the worst stomping they'll receive in years. Our Cougar LB's are licking their chops for Mr. Turbin. Consider it lucky for him, to break the 30 yard barrier. BYU starters will enjoy the 2nd half of the game from the bench, as the 2nd and 3rd stringers do their best not to run up the score too far.

    Same thing for Utah on Sept. 17th...that game will be a laugher as well. Yes Hedgie, Howie, and Chris B, enjoy your picnic w/ Montana State to build up you egos, once USC and BYU are done with ya'll, it'll be curtains on reaching .500 or a bowl game on your maiden voyage into the PAC10.2...as for them Aggies, enyoy your future in the WAC playing Texas State, and the other weak leftovers stuck in the WAC. Pretty sad when you could'nt even get that MWC invitation...

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    May 29, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    Change is the only true constant. To be competitive in life you need to sift through what looks like it will work better and then be smart enough to apply its principles. The O Lineman with smaller bellies will mean quicker feet, that translates into fewer soft tissue injuries, blown out ACL's, torn cartilage etc. perhaps this slows the rate of injuries and the speeds up duration of recovery time from injuries.

    We will see it is a long season and it will be a year of being seen as the " Up start interloper " or " The team that can kill our win loss record " all of which translates into a no holds bared attack.

    If you do not see them in your conference every year well lets pull out all the stops. I am not saying that teams will hit late and often, but then again it is football.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    May 29, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    Re: Blue Saint

    I'm pretty sure the Utes have had the "position and nutrition" program in place for quite some time. Most of the big boy programs have been doing this for at least the past decade.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 29, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    What took so long to get around to specialized training (and diet)?

    Did the influx of new coaches bring this about from their experiences elsewhere?

    Glad to see them all on the right page now. Nice to see the different colleges at BYU talking to each other. Left hand, right hand, connecting.

    Hope they don't forget their pickle juice in September.

    This could be an exciting year for BYU football.

  • Katelyn!! Riverton, Utah
    May 29, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    It is good to hear, but what I was thinking most while reading the story was, " They weren't already doing this? My kids high school team is doing this"!
    Good to hear but should not have taken so long. Coach Omer maybe a little to comfortable and content and Bronco had to rattle his cage

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    May 29, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    Nice article. Change has not always been present in BYU football. I see signs now that the program is moving toward becoming better and better.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    @JustGordon

    It's pretty obvious that all programs focus on the big names on their schedules. For example, notice how BYU fans aren't making a big deal about playing Utah or Utah St.?

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    May 29, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    As a Husker fan, welcome to big time football. The strength and nutrition programs at elite schools have been doing this for years. This will probably make a big difference in the Idaho game.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    @flintrock

    You're 5th grade level attempt at humor was impressive. Don't be too depressed however, BYU will have 65,000 fans at LES this fall, with or without you. They will also make 10x the money that Utah will make this year, will win 10+ games, have all games on national TV, and likely finish in the top 20. I don't see any other local teams that can come close to that so thanks for your concern but you can just sit back and enjoy watching your Utes on your TV in Rigby, the one time they'll be televised this year - against BYU!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 29, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    We are totally the first team to have different players work out differently.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    May 29, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    After watching the BYU O-line/D-line get manhandled at Air Force last season, something needed to change!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    May 29, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!! YES, BYU stomped Michigan? Michigan was 6-5 at the time, finished 6-6. Michigan was 5-4 in the Big 10 conference, ranked behind Ohio State, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa and Wisconsin. The award of the National Championship is something that I would boast about and hold my head extremely high. The system that was created, BCS, was because of this controversial championship. This same system is going to be the one that keeps BYU from EVER playing in that game again. Please..., your title is meaningless and this is well known outside of happy valley.

  • Flames6 North Salt Lake, UT
    May 29, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Welcome to 15 years ago at Utah. The guy says BYUs linemen have looked pregnant until now that's priceless ! DH has to be the the most respected and knowledgable sports guy in the U.S. Reading these comments and prognostications makes waiting for the season almost bearable. I love you guys !

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 29, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    flatlander:

    Just like it will help your program when you face Tennessee at Chattanooga this year, and like it did with your wins over Western Kentucky and Idaho last year.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    May 29, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    mich coog

    "you caught BYU in a rebuilding year last year"

    But you had the 2 headed monster! lol

    USU will give byU fits again this year. Turbin is a beast but I think byU might pull this one out. Maybe

  • Ted's of Beverly Hills Las Vegas, Nevada
    May 29, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    Pac 10.2 Utah is going to get waxed by the Cougars this year. Can't wait to see the Utes falter during the first portion of the schedule.

  • Magic Happens 801 Sandy, UT
    May 29, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    I am confused here....didn't both the U and BYU say the Pac 10 was overrated? Now it seems that BYU thinks the U will get it ahnded to them in the Pac 12? Seriously, where is your stance BYU fan.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    May 29, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Re: Aggie84

    You mean like that one time Andrew Rich (a safety, not a d-lineman or linebacker) stuffed him on fourth and 1 in '09 when he last played? BYU is a talented, angry team that's going to send USU home in coffins this year.

    In fairness to Mr. Turbin, I heard him in an interview talk about the BYU game being competitive this year, so I expect him to play hard.

    And to Aggie fans who are talking trash? Win a bowl game and then come talk.

  • AK Cougar Palmer, AK
    May 29, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    The Football games are over 3 months away. What ever will we do? Post on this board? The king run is just beginning and the red run begins in July. Time to get some serious fishing in and be prepared for Football in September.

    Go Cougars

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    May 29, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    @Dave S
    Yes they have... it's called the Roll Over and Take the Leftover Table Scraps Nutritional Program. The positioning part of the program is then to go sit in the corner and be thankful for the scraps.

  • priest801 West Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 12:04 p.m.

    "BYU is a talented, angry team that's going to send USU home in coffins this year. "

    Thats an honor code violation

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 29, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    To Magic Happens 801: The PAC 10.2 IS overrated AND the U's head will be handed to them in the PAC this year. Not too difficult to understand, is it?

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    May 29, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    @wookie
    Your credibility at math just went out the window. Take a look at your Michigan stats and see if you can figure it out. Meaningless is when you have split cchampionships which in the 80's and 90's wasn't uncommon. BYU was concensusly voted National Champs by every poll. Brian Gumball and Barry Schwitzer were eating sour grapes and are not legitimate polls. Meaningless is also two wins in the BCS as an also ran having twice been denied what was a legitimate shot at the title by the same basic group of people who set out to exclude anybody not considered an elite good old boy program within the old PAC, the Big 10, the Old Big 8, Notre Dame or what is now the upper crust of the SEC. Doormats within these AQ conferences like Utah, Arizona and Arizona State are just that...and the Big East...thier the BCS's inside joke...to try and attempt to look credible. Busting the BCS is nothing compared to forcing the Good Old Boys to change their longstanding traditions of crowning a NC in the Orange...Sugar or Rose Bowls on New Year's day.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 29, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    @wookie

    So do actually think your posts out before you put them on here? Let's see if this makes any sense.

    " The system that was created, BCS, was because of this controversial championship"

    Ok so an entire new system was created specifically because BYU won the National Championship. You just told us that is what happened so you must believe it to be true.

    But then you write this.

    "your title is meaningless and this is well known outside of happy valley."

    So this "meaningless" title is not only "well known" but is actually the impetus for the creation of an "entire new system"?

    Yep sounds "meaningless" and irrelevent to me. LOL

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    According to Mtn. Man 56 BYU will earn 70 million this year and win 10 games and all 12 games on national tv? Sounds like all the mountain air has you hysterical. Sounds like the games should not be played since the MTN man nostrodaumus has already told us the outcome. Thanks for the laugh.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    When DH starts his health, nutrition and workout articles I know there is still a long wait for football. The Max Hall getting "beefier" article comes to mind. More recently, the Mike Hague loosing 40 lbs article. Now this latest article detailing the latest Richard Simmons exorcise routine.
    When do players report for fall camp? Not soon enough.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 29, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    flintrock | 7:54 a.m. May 29, 2011
    Rigby, Id
    Could you please not refer to the New Mexico Bowl in an article about BYU.

    ===

    But it would have been a cheap shot to bring up the Vegas Bowl and talk about how a MWC - PAC12 team had the lumber laid to them by a WAC team.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    May 29, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    KamUte
    Mtn.Man56 says a lot of outlandish things, but you carry about the same credibility when you criticize him for saying something he did not say. 70 million? Really? That's a pretty random number to come up with.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    @KamUte

    Where did I say BYU would make $70 mill in this year? What I said is they would make 10x what Utah makes and since Utah doesn't get any PAC 12 TV revenue this year, that 's probably going to be pretty accurate. As far as winning 10 games this year, I think that pretty much every prognosticator out there who isn't blatantly anti-BYU, would agree that they have a strong likelihood of winning 10+ games this year and yes, all 13 (not 12) games will likely be on national TV this year, either ESPN or BYUtv. I'm glad you enjoyed the post and you think I'm Nostradamus but I didn't say anything that hasn't been stated many times already from many different sources.

  • GSwenz PROVIDENCE, UT
    May 29, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    I'm pretty optimistic about this team.

    Typically when things are new and uncomfortable for athletes, it typically winds up making them better.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    May 29, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    re: JustGordon | 7:20 a.m. May 29, 2011

    BYU selectively spinning to make themselves look good. How exactly is that news?

    Seriously, Its all part of BYU's nutrition plan to fill up on cupcakes? ROFL.

    As for Ross Apo's comment about the change in speed & flexibility; When you start out rocklike, its hard NOT to notice an "improvement"

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    May 29, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    re: Veritas Aequitas | 1:10 p.m. May 29, 2011

    There is no shame in losing to another BCS Buster.

    The only shame is beatnig another team w/ a mediocre record in a 4th rate bowl game to allegedly finsh "above average"

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    May 29, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    @Veritas/Buster

    FYI we got stomped by #8 Boise, what's you excuse for #114 Utah State?

    BYU won't win two more games a season because of the new nutritional/training program. What they need is better talent, they need more Steve Young and less Max Hall types. Right now BYU has the talent level on par with Washington State as far as NFL talent is concerned. That's why they would most likely be a doormat in a BCS conference.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 29, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    It's gonna be a long summer, isn't it?

    So let me get this straight: some of you peeps are mocking the cougars for finally doing what y'all been doing for ten years? And this most recent year, the game ended up a one point difference, right down to the last play? I'd think that would have been one of the two wins talked about in the article.

    Yeah, stupid that we haven't been doing this already? Yessir! I expect it would hav e made difference last year and I definitely expect it to make a difference this year.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    @Magic Happens 801

    "I am confused here....didn't both the U and BYU say the PAC 10 was overrated? Now it seems that BYU thinks the U will get it ahnded to them in the PAC 12? Seriously, where is your stance BYU fan?"

    Why the confusion? Can't both of those opinions be correct?

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 3:14 p.m.

    Oops, my bad. BYU does have only 12 games this year that will likely be nationally televised. They could have scheduled a 13th game because they're playing Hawaii on the road but chose to keep it at 12.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 29, 2011 3:15 p.m.

    Uteology

    Normally I respect most of your posts, even when I disagree with them. I do here as well. My first priority is not being a farm team for the Sunday league. Max Hall enjoyed much more success in college than Steve Young, and I believe that he was two for three against the U, even a team that 7 times the NFL talent.

    You do have scoreboard from last year, but I hope that a one point victory over a "supposedly mediocre" team on your home turf has not become Utah's new standard for measuring success. If BYU's talent level is on a par with Washington State, then you should be very concerned about your first trip to Pullman. It will be a rude awakening.

    For the record, I DO expect and hope Utah competes very well in the PAC. but I also expect our next meeting at RES to be very gratifying for the faithful blue.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    wookie,

    If you doubt BYU's 1984 national championship, go to Provo and look at the trophy. The championships of bandit schools in the Big-10 and SEC are far more suspect.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 29, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    @Uteology

    Be careful with your statements. It could be embarassing to see your Utes get whipped on September 17 by a team that would be a doormat in a BCS conference.

    Did anyone watch the last six games, last year?

    It was very obvious that the Utes were on a downward spiral. Sure they got the W against SDSU and BYU, but only because of a few lucky plays in both games. They were clearly outplayed by TCU, Notre Dame, BSU, SDSU and BYU's worst team since Crowton. Coming into this year, the Utes have big question marks at QB with Wynn's shoulder and nobody to back him up, and at RB with no experience.

    BYU on the other hand was on the rise. You could tell that Heaps was gaining confidence and the offense was clicking the last six games of the season. The defense started clicking the moment Bronco took back control. This is a very young team with a lot of upside. This is going to be an exciting year. Go Cougs!

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 29, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    Of course no ones makes a big deal out of playing Utah and USU, most Y fans know those are real teams!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    @JustGordon

    Huh? You kind of missed the point. If most Y fans know know that Utah and USU are "real teams", they WOULD be making a big deal out of playing them.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    May 29, 2011 4:26 p.m.

    I'm in favor of any program that will reduce injuries (yes, even for cougars). No matter how much we dislike our rivals, does anyone really want to see someone get hurt? Injuries will decrease when any athlete is in their best condition. Speed and strength are an added bonus. Yes, I hope "the team up north" and others all adopt similar programs.

  • BaneOfHedgehog Bothell, WA
    May 29, 2011 4:30 p.m.

    RE: "With all the comments about playing Nebraska, Notre Dame, Penn State and Va Tech...why is no one mentioning San Jose State, Idaho, Nevada and LaTech?"

    Because the former are better teams... Maybe you didn't know that.

    Kind of like why nobody bothers mentioning playing, say... Washington State, Montana State, or yes, even Colorado.

    For the record, nobody I know is playing LaTech...

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    May 29, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    Dave S |
    I'm pretty sure the Utes have had the "position and nutrition" program in place for quite some time. Most of the big boy programs have been doing this for at least the past decade.

    Question...Why has no one noticed and why hasn't it worked?

  • Daveman Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 29, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    BYU is doing everything possible to improve and raise the expectations of the football program. So far, everything seems professional, productive and positive. Go Cougs, this fall looks to bring an eagerly anticipated season, by fans and foes alike. I think the Cougs will stack up well against all their scheduled competition.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    May 29, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    Wow. Bitter, angry comments rampant from Y fans on this thread.

    CougfaninTX... five of byu's last six games were against terrible teams that we creamed earlier in the season. Improvement? Hardly. Those games byu better have won or they would've been run out of the MWC. You guys almost lost to Wyoming at home.

    That's exactly how fans spin the truth to see what they wanna see.

    PS- I wouldn't be so quick to write off Utah State this year. They got a taste of your blood last year and they like it.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 29, 2011 5:14 p.m.

    I am not sure how serious to take this article. Everyone knows Discus Throwers (lineman) need different training than Sprinters (RB,WR, Dbacks). Adding 3 additional coaches should help but the article implies all of the football players were all doing the same routines.

    There is no reason BYU should not have the same equiptment/train facility as Peak Performance and the right people to run it.

    BYU should be able to take 2 and 3 star athletes and work on their weaknesses and get pro performance out of them.

    If Jimmer lacks lateral movement he goes to a pro to fix it. WHY does not BYU have a Pro with everything needed already on campus.

    BYU is 20 years behind time on this.

    IF you want to win you have to get the max out of the recruits you have. Speeding them up 5% could make a lot of difference.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    Mountain man 56
    With money from the chapionship game and the Utes split from the bowl games the Utes will make $4 - $7(2 bcs bids like last year). So when you say BYU will get 10 x the money you are saying they will get $40 - $70 million. Fact is Utah and BYU will end up with around the same money this year.
    As far as the 10 win prediction goes, that may happen it may not. When you say that "most" experts pick 10+ wins, that is not accurate. From what I have read "most" experts see some combo of the following:
    5 scheduled wins: Idaho st, New Mex. St, Idaho, Utah State, SJ St.
    6 Toss Ups: @ Ole Miss, Utah, @Ore St, @TCU (Arlington), UCF, @Hawaii
    1 scheduled Loss: @Texas
    To reach 10 wins you have to win 5 of 6 toss ups and of those toss ups 4 are on the road. 10 + wins can be done but it is a huge stretch.

  • Laser Iowa City, IA
    May 29, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    Cool article. It'll be fun to watch the players to see if they feel the "target" workouts benefit them. No reason to think they won't.

    It is funny to see Ute posters bent out of shape over an exercise program or taking on Harmon. I wonder why they even care? BYU really does get all the attention.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    May 29, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    and Bronco just recently figured this out - OUCH.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 29, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    "I'm pretty sure the Utes have had the "position and nutrition" program in place for quite some time. Most of the big boy programs have been doing this for at least the past decade."

    That could mean one of two things:

    1) If it doens't make much of a difference in BYU's team, then it obviously is not that much of an advantage. BYU seems to be on the same level as them without such a program in place.

    or

    2) If it does make a difference, then to think that BYU was on the same level as all these teams despite BYU being at such a disadvantage by not doing it. Now that they have started doing it, they will be a scary team to play!

    Either way, things look good for BYU. It's like Utah's 1-point luckier-than-can-be victory over BYU last year; either they admit that BYU was a good team (despite their record), or they were outplayed by a team they constantly call pathetic (or whatever words they choose to describe BYU). If Utah was so superior, why did they need all that luck to beat BYU?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 29, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    Hey now Veracity dave s said he was "pretty sure" and that is almost as good as 'I think' or 'more than likely'.

    LOL

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 29, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    Wally West | 2:49 p.m. May 29, 2011
    SLC, UT
    re: Veritas Aequitas | 1:10 p.m. May 29, 2011

    There is no shame in losing to another BCS Buster.

    ===

    So, if you are a BCS Buster, you can drag out a lousy team and embarass the state, and there is no shame?

    ===
    Dora/Uteology | 2:53 p.m. May 29, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas

    Doormat?

    Sorry, I believe it was in the Las Vegas Bowl (Uteology, is that a BCS bowl?).

    26 to 3. Utah did not belong on the same field.

    No matter how it is spun, it was shame.

    So when Uteology spins his talk about being a BCS doormat, I hope he remembers the last time the Utes stepped on the football field, they hung the L on the Vegas Bowl record book, scoring 3 points agains a WAC team.

    3 points, L, Vegas Bowl, WAC Conference team.

    If you need to 'splain it Lucy, chances are you lost, and lost bad.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    May 29, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    RE: Uteology

    "Right now BYU has the talent level on par with Washington State as far as NFL talent is concerned. That's why they would most likely be a doormat in a BCS conference."

    This is a fairly accurate statement, but I don't understand your point. BYU recruits the "talent level" on par with teams like WSU. Rankings across Rivals, Scout, and ESPN, show that for the last four years BYU's recruiting class has averaged a national ranking of 48th, while Washington State's rank was 60th, and the U's rank was 52nd. We know that despite those rankings BYU (and Utah) seem to perform quite well.

    At the same time programs like WSU that are part of BCS conferences, by default, get some pretty decent recruits... and somehow many of those player drafted into the NFL. Recent doormat teams like UCLA, Northwestern, Arizona State, and Indiana all have about the same number of recent NFL draftees as the Cougars. So what? The Cougars have still won 10 or more games 4 of the last 5. They are a storied and respected program. And now they have national exposure (thanks ESPN).

    Go Cougs!

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:11 p.m.

    gonefishn

    Yes, Utah will get some table scraps from post season play which I did not take into consideration in claiming that BYU will make 10x what Utah will make this year. Honestly though, I'm surprised there isn't more outrage from Ute fans that you get completely cut out of TV revenue this year. Long term however, I do have to give props to Larry Scott for getting a lot more money from the new TV deal than I thought he would. Bottom line is that both schools will be making a lot more than they ever would have in the MWC.

    Regarding what you have read about what "most" experts are predicting for BYU this season, I think that "most" of the experts you're quoting are Ute fans posting about BYU. "Most" of the experts in the media say more like 3-4 toss ups including Texas.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    gonefishn

    Just curious, why do you care enough about BYU and my opinion of how they will do this year to make multiple posts on a BYU article and even break down the entire schedule and post your opinion about every game? I don't even know who Utah plays other than BYU and some PAC 12 teams and guess what, I don't care. I don't read Utah articles and I don't post on them. The only reason I know as much as I do about the Utes is because guys like you are constantly on here trying to tell us how much better Utah is than BYU. A little obsessed are we?

  • Koke Spanish Fork, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    Kudos to Bronco for directing change where it can have an impact.

    Two other areas for focus:

    1) Tackling technique. It improved throughout last season, but it still needs improvement. Too many free yards. One way to beat speed is to bring runners down before they get moving.

    2) Slow out of the gate. The cougars need to start the game by blistering the opposing team with a quick 14 points. This will befuddle the defense and set the tone for Heaps to pick them apart and manage the clock. It will also force a catch up panic for the opposing offense that will enhance our defense. Last year it was like we hadn't watched game film or done any planning. Some of the games we lost, we lost just because we started too slow.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    May 29, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    Re: priest801

    It's only an honor code violation if the players are dead. I never said anything about killing anyone.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    May 29, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    Thanks for the update on your previous article regarding copying what Air Force was doing in their program.

    I am glad to see BYU trying to improve their program. Unfortunately, this just shows how far behind the times they really were. I hope this proves helpful in reducing injuries and improve team speed.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 29, 2011 9:22 p.m.

    As I said before, if BYU can be successful (the 5th most winningest program in Bronco's first 5 years as head coach) without this program, then imagine how good they'll be with this program! I'm excited about this year, and for good reason.

    I agree with Koke about the strong start. I was re-watching the 2009 LV bowl game against OSU. BYU's early 14-7 lead (against a 40 mph wind), which soon became a 23-7 lead, did so much damage to Oregon State's morale. It's easier to stay ahead than to catch up (which is a trick the Utes are very good at, so BYU will need to be extra cautious when playing them).

  • SoUtahFriend Saint George, Utah
    May 29, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    What's the difference between high school and college? SPEED
    What's the difference between college and pro's? SPEED
    What's the main weakness in BYU football? SPEED

    It's a nice improvement for it's obvious weakness

  • NewMexicoUte Albuquerque, NM
    May 29, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    The question i have for BYU fans is this...why is BYU's football team the only sport in its athletics department going independent and not the rest of the other sports in its athletics department? have they no respect for their men's basketball program also to go independent as well? i guess i know the answer to that. BYU doesn't want their football program to get left out of any kind of BCS conversation when it comes to Utah and the Pac-12. Why would BYU go independent before the 2010 football season started last year and leave the rest of the other sports out? Because when Utah got invited to the Pac-10 and accepted last year, BYU wasn't happy that Utah got invited and they didn't when BYU wasn't even part of any conference realignment talk and felt they should have been because they are BYU. BYU puts its self on a peda-stool they have no business being on because in they eyes of the BCS, they have proved nothing! No BCS appearances or BCS victories to show for it. The hype Deseret News gives them is empty. Go Utes!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    May 29, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    With BYU starting a new era in Independence, these changes were needed. BYU has been a consistant top 25 (4 out of the last 5 years) and even in a rebuilding season last year they finished strong and ended with a winning record. Now with this new and improved strength and conditioning program in place maybe this will push the Cougars over the top and help them to win some of those games against teams they have struggled to beat in the past. At the least, this program should help cut the number of injuries back and improve conditioning. We will see how much of a difference it makes with their speed, but it certainly cant hurt. Im personally excited to see the changes made with the coaching staff and now the this strength and conditioning program they have in place. We haven't seen this much change in one offseason in quite a while but it comes at the right time with BYU going Independent

    Go Cougars!

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    Sticking to the article and the facts and without engaging in the usual juvenile back-and-forth between fans:

    - 10 YEARS ago I purchased a weight training program from Nebraska designed for football players, that included nutritional information as well. This is a paraphrase of a statement in that program: "Nebraska attributes much its success, including national championships, to its superior weight training. We now feel that we are as far ahead in nutrition as we used to be in weight training."

    - I also found online information from UCLA's nutrition department that calculates down to the gram how much protein an athlete must consume to either add muscle or maintain that muscle while losing weight.

    Bronco's strength leadership that inspires players to follow him. He is weak in other ways as a head coach: Keeping his team on the cutting edge is one, strategic decisions another (why did Anae get blamed for the field goal decision? If Anae made that call and not Bronco, that is head coach abdication/incompetence), respect for fans another still.

    Lacking competence in weight and nutrition training falls under the athletic director. Other programs at BYU are more advanced than football.

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    May 29, 2011 10:33 p.m.

    Re: Veracity at 4:41

    You say nobody has noticed and why hasn't it worked for the Utes!! May I remind you of two undefeated seasons over the past seven and two BCS bowl victories!! I'd say it's working pretty darn well wouldn't you?

    What else you got?

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    May 29, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    For those that have never played the game, which is most Utah fans, Speed might be the most important skill to have, but it is not! Football instincts is the most valued. Knowing angles, and the ability to read plays and the ability to react swiftly is more valued. If an athlete has 'workable speed' , that is sufficient. BYU players are some of the most cerebral players in college, hence their success on and off the field. Polomalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a perfect example intellect over speed.

    Speed is a valuable, if you have players that posses it. BYU will never get the athletes with the superior speed, but they will get the athletes with the superior intellect.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 29, 2011 11:14 p.m.

    "... five of byu's last six games were against terrible teams that we creamed earlier in the season. Improvement?"

    And 7 of your first 8 games were cupcakes. So what's your point? Just because you defeated your cupcakes with more points, that's the basis that BYU is going to do poorly?

    How about those single digit scores against winning teams? 7-47, 3-28, 3-26 ?

    2011 was not a great season but seeing what the Cougars overcame and seeing a very inexperienced team pull out what they did was inspiring to the Cougar Nation.

    BYU faithful will take their 7-6 season and little bowl victory in stride compared to a 10-3 season that brought boatloads of humiliation and doubt for 2012.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 29, 2011 11:24 p.m.

    I am grateful that the U will get an extra 30 million from the PAC. That means the Utah legislature can CUT the U budget by 30 million and save the tax payers a few bucks.

    Keep that PAC money rolling in and save the BYU tax payers some money.

    Good job Utes. Go get some more.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    May 30, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    FYI to Cougar Nation...

    In the last 6 games of 2010 Utah played its WORST football since being embarrassed @UNLV in 2007. However, we only needed 5 minutes of good offense to take care of BYU. So what happen to the days when BYU would thrash the Ute teams? Your talent has dropped off and ours has risen, see the NFL draft for proof.

    @Y Grad / Y Dad
    No this isn't the 80s Utah doesn't measure it's success on the rivalry game. Only one fan-base was spouting 3 of 4 while the other is still spouting 2-0.

    Here's a great quote:

    "In the early years, I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They used to come into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl game." -- Ron McBride

  • SAMarshall PALMYRA, NY
    May 30, 2011 1:16 a.m.

    @CougFaninTX,

    Do you have a link for the Nebraska HHN? Cause Holmoe just said we are not in talks with Nebraska.

  • phgreek Hooper, UT
    May 30, 2011 6:19 a.m.

    Little shocked to hear this as news...Many lower division college programs have been doing this kind of thing for 10 years. Glad to see BYU doing it...this is the stuff that gets one more yard, one more catch, one more stop...how many games hinge on a handfull of plays...how many seasons are different if just one more win comes your way...

    Where I'm from no one ever questioned BYU's "want to"...sometimes the raw materials seemed thin...but something happens in that program...they are simply viewed as perenial over achievers on the national stage...apparently ESPN sees value in that...as long as BYU competes in the next couple years, and they play an exciting brand of ball...sky is the limit for that program.

    I like the U, great program here in the last decade...but honestly, I never heard of the U until I moved to Utah...I only wish them the best in the PAC 12...being a Notre Dame guy, the Utes move means I get 2 games a year where I wish hatefull things on Southern Cal...can't beat that.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 30, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    SAMarshall | 1:16 a.m. May 30, 2011
    PALMYRA, NY
    @CougFaninTX,

    Do you have a link for the Nebraska HHN? Cause Holmoe just said we are not in talks with Nebraska.

    bleacherreport > BYU

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    May 30, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    This is an I-stopped-beating-my-wife article; I'd have supposed BYU already was breaking down the players' preparation by the work they'd have to do.

  • flintrock Rigby, Id
    May 30, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Mountainman56

    We post because we are bored. We have no friends. We are also depressed with Wynn as our QB. Deep down we all want to be like you.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    May 30, 2011 11:58 a.m.

    re: Veritas Aequitas | 6:27 p.m. May 29, 2011

    You are referring to byu & Utah St in 2010, right?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 30, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    "The question i have for BYU fans is this...why is BYU's football team the only sport in its athletics department going independent and not the rest of the other sports in its athletics department? have they no respect for their men's basketball program also to go independent as well?"

    That is a fair question. However, that is an answer that fans cannot give. Only the BYU administration can give a good answer to. My guess is that it has something to do with money. The other sports can probably not afford to not have conference affiliation. Just speculating.

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    May 30, 2011 3:50 p.m.

    With BYU going Independent in Football like Notre Dame, Army, and Navy someone wonders why Basketball didn't go there also. Well, ND plays BB in the Big East, Army and Navy play in the Patriot league. They see the benefits of FB I and other sports being affiliated with a league. BB suits itself better in a league due to the automatic berths to the big dance being earned by the winner of the leagues tourney as well as scheduling teams within easier travel distances to keep costs down.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    May 30, 2011 4:56 p.m.

    Wally West | 11:58 a.m. May 30, 2011
    ===
    Geez, Wally.

    You're going to have to be able to read the post to understand it...

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    May 30, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    Well How is that "Superior Intellect" working out for you? No BCS Games and you lost to Utah State last year. YOu can claim all you want BYU fans about how much better your gonna be or whatever, but one thing remains. Speed and athletes will get you to BCS games "Superior Intellect will not.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    May 30, 2011 5:53 p.m.

    @ uteology
    "So what happen to the days when BYU would thrash the Ute teams?"

    Last 5 football seasons: BYU 3, Utah 2.

    What games have you been watching? I'm sure you remember Beck to Harline. And of course Collie is still open. And of course, who can forget "By George, I think he caught it!" even with bracket coverage!

    If not for a lucky 4th quarter, a blown call by red, and a miracle blocked FG last yet, it would be BYU 4, Utah 1.

    BYU will win the holy war this year. I'm calling it right now.

    Go Cougars!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 30, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    Crowntown...how them lakers doing? USC going bowling anytime soon? One loss to Ut State in 17 years and that becomes the battle cry. Very creative. Which battle cry should we scream for the U? Oral Roberts, SW Baptist State...? This years BYU team will be very different that last years. As long as Heaps stays healthy, it could be a special year.

    At least you have Wynn and Chow to beat your chest about this year....errrr NOT!

  • SAMarshall PALMYRA, NY
    May 30, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX,

    Try again, AFTER bleacher report posted that article (and they aren't that great a source anyway), Tom Holmoe said in an interview that we are not in talks with Nebraska.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    May 30, 2011 9:07 p.m.

    @ Dave S | 10:33 p.m.

    How did that advantage work out in the Vegaa Bowl last year against a much inferior mid-major team?!

    Utah's performance in 2010 Vegaa Bowl = Epic Fail!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 30, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    SAMarshall

    BYU plays it's cards close to the vest. Just because Tom wouldn't confirm that BYU is talking to Nebraska doesn't mean that a deal isn't in the works.

  • donburi Kanagawa, Japan
    May 31, 2011 12:01 a.m.

    "Offensive and defensive linemen are grouped with D-linemen and have their own trainer."

    So defensive linemen are grouped with D-linemen. Um ok, makes sense.

    I guess we can then assume that these players will also be grouped together-
    Split receivers and wide receivers
    Running backs and backfield
    QBs and players who line up behind center

  • softbear Olympia, WA
    May 31, 2011 2:02 a.m.

    Here we go again, fans making all this predictions and the ball hasn't even been snapped! Until the season begins alot can happen: player injuries, discipline issues, transfers and just plain losing your position. All of these can change a season. Forty years ago whenever the Y, U or UST lost it was always the same noise-wait till next year. Well lets wait at least till the season starts to start bragging.

    Will the Y be better, yes! Will the U struggle with the conference, probably! Will UTST be improved, yes! But until they play each other the predicitions mean---NOTHING!! As for playing cupcakes check out the schedules of some of the big programs: Texas, OU, Neb., OH St, USC, UCLA, Washington and the Fl schools, they all have their share of cupcakes, which have been known to rise up an win one.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    May 31, 2011 6:52 a.m.

    So they say utah has had the program for 15 years, yet BYU in a bad year shut them out for 3 quarters and only lost by a point? If BYU implements what the big boys are doing, those one point losses will result in multiple point wins over utah and many other schools.

    It's great to see the players already noticing a difference. They just have to be dedicated and committed to eating right whereever they go to keep it up, and that is hard for anyone to do.

    To the cute aggie fan, it takes more than one player to beat a team. With no seasoned QB, USU will be lucky to score more than 10 points. Besides, BYU has shutdown two seasoned running backs in games before (OSU), so no BYU fan is worried about an injury-plagued RB from the country in Logan.

  • BP in the OC MISSION VIEJO, CA
    May 31, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    I was glad to hear the team is doing this- just surprised it wasn't already happening? You mean, the WR's have been working out the same as the lineman all these years? Wow, come on guys- low hanging fruit. Position-specific workouts and nutrition plans is genius.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    May 31, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    Cougar Irrelevence,

    If not for a missed doink off the upright, or a lucky play from Beck to Harline, or a lucky 4th and 18 play, or an OT win, the UTES would be 10-2. SO what. Things happen. Lucky plays at the end of games happen. Missed FG happen. Who's to say that Payne would not have missed that FG if Burton didn't block it. We will never know. The fact is, he did block it. We are 2 of the last 3, and you are 3 of the last 5, and we are 6 of the last 9. I can do this all day. You only go as far back as you can to make it look good in the Y's favor. It doesnt matter. All that matters is the UTES have the bragging rights for the year, and once Sept 17th comes around, then someone else may have bragging rights.

    I'm calling it right now. The UTES will win the Holy War for 2011.

    Go UTES!!!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 31, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE

    "Lucky plays at the end of games happen. Missed FG happen."

    Like TCU's kicker missing two FGs (he only missed 4 all season) to save Utah's 2008 season?

  • JDL Magna, UT
    May 31, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE:

    Great post, really!!

    I'm a BYU fan Through and Through and you nailed it except for the projected outcome of the 2011 game.

    Go Cougars!

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    May 31, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    This is almost laughable. We were doing position specific weight, flexibility and conditioning training when I was in high school - decades ago. You mean to say that BYU has been working their quarterbacks out the same as the O-linemen all these years? No wonder the WR's and DB's have been less athletic. Seriously? wow.

    The big time programs have moved far past position training now -- each player has a specific personalized training plan -- made up for the specific needs of the player when condisering body composition, strengths, weaknesses, needs, position, nutritional needs, etc. Most bigger programs track the calories - even specific kinds of calories that each player - through their specific individual nutritional plan - has each meal and even snacks. This is science now, and has been for quite some time. I am shocked that the Y has not been much further along than this in the past.

    I will just assume that Dick Harmon did not get all of his quotes or background to thes story correct. BYU has to be beyond this already.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    May 31, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    I agree with JDL. Great post, Papa Smurf UTE, and I agree with you except for the outcome of the 2011 game. But this is what the rivalry is all about, so I don't blame you for saying that.

    Go Cougars!

  • Spoxjox Redmond, WA
    May 31, 2011 4:14 p.m.

    BP in the OC is right. This is great news, but seriously? BYU is only just now adopting position-specific training? Welcome to the 1990s, Cougs.

  • Jake2010 orem, ut
    May 31, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    Just Gordon, just because they are in the 'pac 12' doesn't mean that every opponent they play will be alabama, florida, or shoot... who are the other once were but no longer are? To every San Jose State BYU plays how often will the Utes be playing WSU, OSU, Washington, ASU and Arizona? When is the last time the Pac-10 was ranked top to bottom in the top 25? Top 50? top 60? And to add Colorado stinkaloes to the mix doesn't help the already far mediocre reality that is the new Pac-12.

  • SAMarshall PALMYRA, NY
    May 31, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    @Uteanymous,

    Wrong! BYU does keep things close to the vest but if there were talks going on the words out of Toms mouth would not have been "we are not in talks with Nebraska." I'm not saying they wont talk to Nebraska at some point in the future but if Tom said they aren't in talk with Nebraska, they aren't in talks with Nebraska. Period. Tom isn't Hill.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    June 1, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    Re: Pavalova
    BYU,
    Times like this, I wish you were in the PAC so we could hang 50 on you.



    Sincerely,
    Robert Woods

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    June 1, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    I don't know why it took me this long? But, the headline reminds me of the intro for the 70's TV show; the 6 million dollar man.

  • Cougar_Independence OMAHA, NE
    June 1, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    @ Papa Smurf

    "bragging rights"

    BYU's first road game won't be on Versus, unlike Utah's! Utah leaves the Mountain Worst and it's first PAC 12 Conference game, which is against USC, was just announced, will be televised on Versus! This is the same terrible TV channel BYU left the MWC to get away from!

    Independence > Doormat of PAC 12 (aka Utah)

    Go Cougars!