Let's hope other schools show some class and leave Josh alone to live up to his
committment. If not for this loophole, there would be no question where Josh
would be playing this coming season. Let's hope integrity isn't totally gone
from college sports and other schools will honor the intent of the NLI that was
It's only a loophole if he chooses to use it. If he really wants to play at the
U, then he'll be there. Otherwise, it sounds like he's got an escape clause to
play somewhere else since Boylen is no longer there.
Lone Peak graduate = BYU player.
I thought after you've left a school for 18 months that you're free to go
anywhere.The issue of whether other schools can contact a missionary
while he's out has been handled elsewhere.
Regardless of the paperwork loophole, if he was recruited by Boylen and Boylen
regardless of why, leaves the program as he has and Josh who redshirted his
freshman year hasn't played but only practiced then he's free to go whereever he
wants... almost just as if he was a new recruit who would automatically be
allowed to change his mind if the person who recruited him should, without
warning, leave or be removed. He's a free agent...his two years away from the
program pretty much ensures that by covering the sit out a year rule... and
sorry coach... but it's open season when it comes to this kid. Besides...It's
more in Josh's hands than anyone else's anyway...regardless of who may come
calling. There is no guaranteed or unwritten hands off rule in this case.
He signed a letter of intent in 2007. I just looked at the calendar and it says
it's now 2011. As far as it being a "loophole", Krystkowiak's
definition of loophole must be any rule that doesn't work for him. Look, Sharp
doesn't want to play for Utah, and Krystkowiak can't force him.
Looks like Elder Sharp is fully committed to his missionary work. Let him go. He
does not want to be at Utah, let's cut the ties right now.
LOL! What a hypocrite. He just tried to steal TWO commits to USU just a few
weeks ago. Give me a break!
jazzball,The biggest difference that you fail to mention is that those
recruits were fair game. They had NOT signed a letter of intent to play for
Logan State. BIG difference there fella.
Let him play where he wants to play. If it is Utah so be it. If it is
elsewhere so be it. Utah's track record says even if he comes back it will only
be for a year.
He got his tuition paid for a year and worked out with the team. He should
honor his commitment.
Within a couple of days of Utah's admission to the PAC, I wrote to this paper
that the impact would be a total change in their recruiting focus. I predicted
that the number of players from Utah would drop drastically because the school
would be recruiting from more "athletic" areas in big cities where
only sports skills matter and classroom attendance is optional. I did not
expect it to happen so quickly, but it is a pleasure to be proven right. There
will be little room for the LDS player at Utah; leaving that field pretty much
to BYU. It will be interesting to see how this plays out over time.
WheresStockton and doc are missing the point.This kid signed an
agreement with the university of utah. he received an entire year of education
for free. He went on his mission. If he wanted one of those two years to count
as his "sitting out" year, he would need to announce his decision more
than a year ago. Larry is smart. If the kid is going to leave, he
needs to go somewhere where he will not come back to bite the utes. That is
pretty standard across the country. You can't go to another in-state school
(unless its SUU, UVU or one of the JC's ala Geoff Payne) or a conference rival.
He signed the agreement and he can't play elsewhere unless the
university releases him. He will only be released on conditions that he does
not sign with another in-state or conference rival. Its a pretty
Dutchman...Baloney he's free to go where he wants. The person who
recruited him is no longer there... he hasn't played a single game... he's been
away from the program for over two years so he won't have to sit out a
year...and his obligation has been terminated. Sharp is a free agent and
Krystkowiak knows it but is crying over spilt milk despite the facts. And like
I previously said before...regardless of who may come calling it's open season
on this kid. But more importantly it's in sharp's hands and no one elses... not
even your paltry cry for commitment. Sharp never created the more obvious
situation despite the paperwork snafu.
BYU's field of players have been pretty good over the past ten years. Here are
some pac teams who have lost to the cougs:1. Oregon2. Oregon
State3. Washington4. UCLA5. USC6. Arizona State7.
Arizona8. Utah9. Colorado10. Washington St (?)
I'm not missing any point. The point is that under NCAA rules Sharp is free to
be contacted by, and sign with, any other program, without penalty. Call it a
loophole if you want, but as the man says.........thems the rules. If
Krystkowiak and Utah fans don't like it, then go play somewhere else other than
Utah is too scared to play Utah State these days so why is Krystko so afraid to
let this kid play in-state? 6 other players have left the Utes this year, is
this K's way of sticking the finger in the floodgate?
Show this kid the door. He obviously doesn't want to be a Ute.
Where's Stockton ???What is always not breaking a rule does not mean
it is ethical. Would you also encourage someone to sign a rental agreement and
get free rent for a year on the commitment that they would provide some service
and then tell them it is alright to just walk away? Where's Stockton, I ask
Where's your ethics?
Who cares? Have any of Boylen's recruits worked out for the University? I
would say Boylen's recruiting judgement should be questioned. I say let them
all go, give Larry a reasonable expectation for the next two seasons and let him
build the program over the next 6 years.
BYU fans,Be careful what you wish for.First of all,
after all that was said about integrity and honor surrounding the Brandon Davies
issue, if BYU pursues this young man while he is out on his mission it would fly
in the face of everything BYU stands for. Such a move would put BYU on the same
footing with so many other college programs willing to compromise their values
for the win.Secondly, this can be bad for BYU. With a higher
percentage of its athletes out on missions than any other school, BYU has more
at risk. But if BYU is going to declare missionaries fair game, then other
schools should go after them as well. You can't have it both ways.My personal opinion is that no school should be contacting any mission while
he/she is out serving. While they are serving their mission it should be no
different than any other missionary and colleges should not be told how to reach
them. It is only a distraction from a more important work and shouldn't be
DutchmanRules are written for a reason. One of those reasons is that
your idea of ethics may be different from others ideas of ethics. The rules in
this case say that Sharp is free to be contacted by, and sign with, any other
program, in or out of state, with no penalty. If you don't like it, lobby to
change the rules. Otherwise, don't try to impose your sense of ethics on others.
DocSarvis,Rules or not the young man knows what he committed to and
if he is a man with any honor he will abide by that commitment. No one is
imposing a sense of ehtics on anyone. Everyone is born with a sense of right
and wrong, honor and dishonor. If you ignore what you know to be right you will
end up living a life of shame.
@Mormon UteI agree. I am no athlete, but when I was serving in Germany, I
had thoughts about changing universities when I got home. Just the thought
itself was distracting, so I waited until I came back home before looking into
it. I would be extremely disappointed in BYU if they were to contact him while
he is on his mission. Doing so would be a huge distraction and could ruin his
time as a missionary.
Sharpe signed a NLI with the University of Utah, not with any specific coach or
coaches. To suggest that just because the university has a different coach,
that such action make his NLI null and void ignores the reality of the contract.
In addition, the player has already profited from a year of free education that
seems to further bind him to that contract. That is my take on the legal side.
The ethical issue is also of concern. If there is a gentleman's
agreement not to recruit missionaries, then the University of Utah has far less
to loose if other schools choose not to honor that agreement that other schools
in Utah. This could be a pandora's box that school's with large missionary
classes do not want opened. Beware of what you wish for, you may get it.
@Wayne Rout"Within a couple of days of Utah's admission to the
PAC, I wrote to this paper that the impact would be a total change in their
recruiting focus. I predicted that the number of players from Utah would drop
drastically ..."I agree with what you said. Latest news, this
year's volleyball recruits rated 20th in the nation by PrepVollyball.com and
Men's tennis recruits rated 12th in the nation. Top athletes want to compete
against the best at the highest level. (And people still ask what benefits will
Utah receive from PAC-12 membership!) I am not certain the state of Utah can
provide enough talented athletes to compete at this level. Fortunately, Utah is
now attractive to such athletes wherever they live. Another thing you can be
assured of, Utah WILL recruit any Utah athlete they consider PAC-12 talented!
When schools want to get rid of a player, they remind all of us that
scholarships are year to year.When a player wants to dump a school,
the school lays the guilt trip on the player.If coaches can leave to
improve their situation, if schools can dump "non-performing" players,
why can't players move when they want to improve their situation?Where's Curt Flood when you need him?
"We are disappointed that rival schools can take advantage of a loophole .
. ." Are you kidding me??? A major college coach trying to play the
"guilt" card??? Clearly Sharp, because of the "loophole"
can go wherever he wants at this point. But for Coach k to pretty much be
begging USU and BYU to stay away, as if he would never take advantage of a
"loophole" is, well embarrassing. Grow up coach.
Welcome to BYU Sharp.
@Mormon Ute: BYU has never said you can't recruit from them, I recall a
quarterback that decided to go to UCLA instead, and it happens all the time.
Why are so many Utes making this about BYU contacting Sharp and how unethical
that would be. According to what I just read, it is Sharp that has said he may
want to leave Uteville. BYU has had nothing to do with this. But somehow the
Utes of Uteville want to make this about BYU being unethical.If the
kid decides to leave then so be it. But stop trying to make this about BYU. And
unless you have some absolute knowledge that BYU has contacted him, then quit
implying that they have.
"It is my understanding that there is an unwritten rule that players cannot
be recruited by other schools while they are serving missions. To do so is not
only inappropriate, but it creates an atmosphere of ill will..."However..."Sharp, reportedly, may be interested in signing
with BYU or Utah State instead.Mutual interest, though, has yet to
be verified."===How things change. April 7th, Krystkowiak
commented on the matter."I believe a student-athlete should
make the decision that is in their best interest. If a player thinks there is a
better opportunity out there, I support him exploring that," he said in the
press release. "I want players who believe Utah gives them the greatest
chance to be successful..."===Sooooo, players
should make the decision they think is best, yet now, without any verification
that anyone is after Sharp, Krystkowiak is playing the "victim
card"?Keep it classy coach. You're better than that.Keep building a class program with kids that want to play for U.The only ill will is what Coach K creates...And if he wants to
make it personal, like Boylen did, I'm sure Stew and Rose can handle it just
@govt rocks--I totally agree. Jim Boylen did not recruit tough kids, or kids who
could endure tough times. Those few who are remaining--bless 'em. My hats off to
them and I hope they are rewarded. Aside from that--let's let Coach Krysto
recruit and play the type of players who really want to build something. Not
carry on something that has never really been right.
Dutchy,His services were available to the team and the university for that
entire year...that entire season. He made every obligatory condition for that
year by showing up for hours and hours of practicing. Hours of film review in
preps for upcoming games. Making meetings as required. Keeping himself
academically eligible. Red shirting is usually not a choice made by a player.
Your hypothetical rental agreement isn't applicable because by doing everything
that he did during his Redshirt year his dues to the team and to the University
were paid. He met his obligations for that year...period. Since he never played
an actual game against anyone in the conference then he's technically eligible
to be contacted by any school from that conference. Let's also not forget With a
change in coaching staff far removed from when he he initially singned and with
a change in conference alignment that he had no say in either it's a completely
new set of paremters than what he signed his letter of intent for back in 2007.
There is no ethical dilemma...and his dues for the one year were paid and pad by
Seems every time a kid on a mission has a change of heart and talks of BYU, BYU
is accused of recruiting the kid when it is the DAD who initiates contact with
the Cougars (a la Riley Nelson). Enough with the accusation that BYU is meddling
with missionaries. UCLA got Ben Olsen when he finished his mission in Alberta.
Give it a rest already. Seems like it cuts both ways folks.
@Just Gordon...like it or not the NCAA has it in thier regulations that a change
of coaches by default or otherwise is a valid consideration but not necessarily
an overriding issue... which in this case if you are reading the same article...
that overwhelming issue is the fact that not only Boylen and his staff but also
the University's Compliance Department, the Admissions Department and the
Finacial Aid Department failed to guide Sharp and accomplish the simultaneous
signing of the NLI and the financial aid agreement as required. Apparently that
is not a minor technicality...otherwise this situation wouldn't be occurring and
this discussion wouldn't be ongoing.
I think this is a hoot. Seeing several Ute fans complaining about BYU recruiting
this kid and lecturing about ethics when nothing has happened is hilarious.How about complaining to the U of U athletic department for messing up
the paperwork?It's Groundhog Day, like the movie. This kid gets to
start all over again on his college basketball career. Don't blame him for
turning down an opportunity. The coach he wanted to play for is gone and the
team is floundering.Congratulations Elder Sharp, second chances do
He went to Utah because BYU didn't have a spot for him at the time. Who says BYU
wants him now? 6'7, 180 lbs...seems too slight to play at a big time college
basketball school anyhow...Utah can have him...BYU will continue to get the best
of the bunch.
The line up of excuses for yet another pathetic year just keeps getting longer.
If Sharp doesn't want to play for the Utes, then Utah shouldn't try to
"guilt" him into staying.It wouldn't surprise me if he
decides to leave. There's a new coach, and players leaving the program has
become the rage. Plus, the lure of BYU grows when young men are preparing to
return from their missions.Whatever Sharp decides to do, I wish him
well. And I hope Utah gets through this period of mediocrity and returns
quickly to being a respectable basketball program.
I'm getting dizzy from all this spinning. Yes, he got a year of
tuition in exchange for a year of hard work. He fulfilled that commitment. If
you whiny Ute fans want to be ticked at someone, glare at the guy whose job it
was to get the paperwork right. Don't take it out on another University who has
yet to even express interest in the boy. Guilt does not make up for
incompetence on the most basic (paperwork?) level. Why would he want to stay
with a losing team, a coach he does not know and a bunch of fair-weather fans
who immediately begin to attack his character the moment they find out that
THEIR University messed up?!Besides, according to thousands of
comments from certain Ute fans, the Pac-12 is sooo alluring NOBODY would ever
NOT want to play for U. So, what's all the hubbub about?
It's interesting that Coach K reneged on Utah's promise to have scholarships
available for a couple of other missionaries when they returned, but is now
laying a guilt trip on Elder Sharp for changing his mind about playing for the
Taking advantage of loopholes and technicalities may be legal, but is it
ethical? Ethical behavior is doing the right thing even though it's not
required. If a different school recruits Mr. Sharp, I think it's unethical. If
Mr. Sharp wants to leave the Utes by his own choice, he should be granted that
request by Coach K., just like the other players who left the Ute program due to
the coaching change. As a Ute fan, I think our program needs players who want
to play here. I do think that Mr. Sharp should consider his academic future and
what school would best fulfill his needs. Coach K must think he may be an
important part of the Ute basketball program and it's nice to feel needed. If
basketball is important to him, he should make sure where ever he goes that he
can get a chance for some significant playing time, not just at garbage time.
Many athletes waste their entire eligibility sitting on the bench when they
could have played or started at other schools.
UTAH will be back, w/or w/out this dude.
The option is his. If he wants to play at Utah, great. If not, good luck
elsewhere. Any player should play where he chooses. From what I've seen at Utah
since Giaccoletti took over, it has been pretty bad. I have no problem starting
over. Utah is historically a good basketball school entering a great conference.
Do you really think good athletes would rather play St. Mary's and Santa Clara
or USC, UCLA and Stanford et al? If you trolls really think the program will
stay down, it's time to buy more tin-foil for headwear.
Josh Sharp is just another example of the former coaches inability to recognize
high school talent. The kid was the 4th best player on his high school team.
Perhaps the only reason Boylen recruited him in the first place was to attract
another member of the high school team (Haws) to join the Utes. I commend Coach
K in establishing a precedent here, but really there is no reason to create any
more animocity. Let the kid go. That scholarship will be better used in the
This kid currently has a scholarship at the U and it would be great to have
him.But...If he waivers at all, or shows disinterest in
the program, he'll lose it quickly. Kystko has already shown he will move on: JJ
O'Brien, considered a better athlete than Sharp, was indecisive (noncommitted)
and he lost his scholarship.Sharp says he has looked into USU and
BYU, I mean come on---the dude's a missionary and lots of missionaries think
about transferring to those schools for a variety of reasons. But it's not been
confirmed that either of those schools want him.So, be cautious
Elder Sharp. Not enough commitment to the U, you'll lose your ride. And there
may not be another one ready to pick you up.
Let the kid play where he wants to play. Just like the utes recruited the kid
from LSU after LSU paid for two years of his education, Sharp should be granted
a full release.I can maybe see the issue of not letting him go to
another PAC12 school, but if he wants to pursue other Utah schools - let him
pursue them since they're not in the same conference.I'm sure his
decision has more to do with the state of the U's basketball program than the
university. The program is rebuilding and will likely take awhile to get back,
and Coach K2 hasn't yet proven that he's the guy who can get the utes back.I can't imagine that BYU would be interested in him. He'd play the
three spot. Cougs already have Abouo, Rogers, Tyler Haws and Kyle Collinsworth.
Harrison is coming in, and he can play the 2 or 3 spot. And the Cougs are
really recruiting Jordan Chatman, who is another player who can play the 2 or 3
@mormon uteRelax there big fella, you'll pop a vein. 1st of all
there has not been one single report or even a rumor that BYU has recruited
Sharp period, let alone while he is on his mission. 2nd of all there hasn't been
a single bit of evidence that BYU is even interested in him anyway. In case you
hadn't noticed BYU is a top 20 program loaded with talent with alot of excellent
recruits coming in.Now I have the advantage of living in Highland
and attending Lone Peak games. I can tell you Sharp is a good player, but I
don't know if he is worth all of the puffed up sanctimony krystkowiak is
belching.My guess is that it isn't really about Sharp the player so
much as it is about not having a single Utah kid, very few Mormon kids, and also
trying to show those kids they are welcome at utah. Right now they have little
reason to believe they are.In the meantime Sharp can go where he
wants. The incompetence of utah's athletic department seems to have made that
Wow! How nice to see the integrity and honor just flowing forth from the BYU
fans in regards to this article. You represent your school and your church so
Mormon UteIs your sarcasm and hypocrisy (i.e. coach k can change the
school's agreement with missionaries but the missionaries can't) representing
YOUR school or church well? Since the article didn't mention that BYU has ANY
interest in this kid, maybe you should stop chucking stones at us. (BTW,
"... NOT!!" went out in the early '90s. Just thought somebody should
Wow, Mormon Ute. These comments seem out of character for you. I
mean, where in the article did it say (or even hint) that Dave Rose was
recruiting this kid during his mission?Also, your coach has already
pulled a couple of missionaries' scholarships. If we are going to talk about
honor and commitment, it seems to be that it should flow both ways. Please reread your posts and think if this is really how you would like to
represent your church. After all, it IS in your name. Have a good night.
I guess Mormon Ute thinks pointing out the flaws in her argument isn't a
All of you, read the article. It says "schools are allowed to contact
him", it does not say that any have. The article says "reportedly he
may be interested in BYU or USU. I don't see anywhere that either one has
contacted him. Please stop the crying and let the kid finish his mission and
then make his decision.
Two things are clear to me. One, if Sharp wants to come back to Utah he can.
That is his decision since the door is open to him. Two, if he doesn't want to
go back then go somewhere else. Utah high school [layers, with the exception of
a few (Johnsen bros, Collinsworth, have not been elite recruits. a lot have
been busts (Adam Sahrp, Pinegar, Deane, Timpview kid that went to Marquette,
Brighton Center who went to BYU, and Dawes. If Utah is going to get better,
then they ahve to get better players. Period. Having Utah kid or more doesn't
mean anything if they can't play. 13 points a game is not really impressive.
BYU won with Utah kids because they had Jimmer, who is not from Utah!
In Stitches,My sarcasm was clearly aimed at the fans, not the
Katiebugg,Coach K hasn't pulled a single scholarship from a kid who
is currently out on a mission only from some who are home and he has personally
met with. My comments have been addressed to the BYU fans who have come out in
droves on this article claiming Sharp is fair game. It is the attitude of those
fans I am against and I have made that clear.
Mormon Ute,Please check yourself. As an outsider your behavior is
Mormon Ute | 11:15 a.m. May 29, 2011 Kaysville, UT Katiebugg,"My comments have been addressed to the BYU fans who have come out
in droves on this article claiming Sharp is fair game. It is the attitude of
those fans I am against and I have made that clear." ===Re-read the title of the story."Utah Utes basketball:
Technicality allows other schools to talk to Sharp"Re-read what
Coach Krystowiak said: "I believe a student-athlete should make
the decision that is in their best interest. If a player thinks there is a
better opportunity out there, I support him exploring that," he said in the
press release. "I want players who believe Utah gives them the greatest
chance to be successful..."...And you are upset that BYU fans
are coming out in droves "claiming" Sharp is fair game.Where did they get that idea?The newspaper?Coach K?Because it's the truth?If you are having a problem with the
attitude of the BYU fanbase on one issue, I'm sure you will make it.I have issues with the attitude of the Utah fanbase on just about
everything.And Sharp is fair game....
@mormon uteYou wrote the following:"Coach K hasn't
pulled a single scholarship from a kid who is currently out on a mission only
from some who are home and he has personally met with."So when
Sharp gets home from his mission and krystkowiak meets with him then it is ok to
pull his scholarship? But at the same time, and despite Sharp being open to
recruitment by other schools because of the incompetence of the utah athletic
department, it is unethical for him to consider going elsewhere until
krystkowiak can meet with him and then yank his scholarship?I think
you need to rethink your position on this one.
The kid should be be able to play where ever he wants.He leaves for
2 years, and there are vast changes made with the coaching staff, and the
conference he will playing in. I do have to consider this Krystowiak
a pretty big hypocrite after going after the USU commits. If we want to believe
that kids can honor commitments, the least a coach can do is honor them as well.
Makes you wonder how this story and the comments would be if this was a BYU
kid.This was a simply an invalid contract. U of U athletic
department messed up royally on this one and for anyone to interject an ethical
angle on this kid's career basketball choice is a half bubble off.He
now has a decision to reconsider and legally he's fair game. Simple as that.Spin away!
at worfThe great BYU basketball team this year Lost to UCLA, who by
the way, had zero seniors. They will have two players drafted in the first
round. The majority of the Pac 10 players in football and basketball do not
stay until their senior year. They go to the pros.
Any missionary is free game once they are home from a mission. Not sure why this
is news at all. Krystko will learn (hopefully) how to recruit LDS talent. The
way he is dealing with it now is not stellar. You would think that Tommy Conner
would be able to help him. Krystko needs to take a lesson from Rick Majerus - he
left all the local LDS kids to be recruited by Jeff Judkins - who was a
masterful recruiter in those circumstances. Krystko should also go have a nice
sit down with Coach Whit to help him understand how / why / when to recruit LDS