Ummm...I have a feeling Kanter has an attitude problem.According to
Locke:"Yesterday Kanter left Jazz off teams he is interested in
playing for today he blows them off for interview - puts Jazz an in tough
I read on HoopsHype that Enes blew off his interview time with the Jazz Brass
today in Chicago. I hope they see his level of commitment to the team and Go
with what we need - A Point Guard. Bring on Knight!!!!!
NOOOOOOoooooo not another big slow euro!
The Jazz think they can play Knight at SG with Harris at PG. They may also be
able to do that with Jimmer. I am not sure Knight or Jimmer are going to be
that well on D against Kobe and other tall SGs. Kantor is a possible
Okur replacement as he can shoot outside and has an aggressive inside game. He
may also be a taller replacement for Millsap.The Jazz currently have
AJ, Millsap and Favors and only 96 minutes of C/PF. Unless Millsap morphs into
King James he is not going to spend effective minutes at SF. The
Jazz need to fix the SF position with a really good SF. Vesely may be an answer.
He may also be able to afford to come to the NBA if there is a hard cap and a
hmmm...Knight says "I wouldn't mind going to Utah." Well, I am not
surprised. Lots of players have other cities in mind as their favorites. Then
again, 18-20 something year olds don't really know much about much, do they?
Many grow to love it in Utah. Korver and D-Will seemed to like it a lot.
Kanter has scheduled a full day interview and workout with the Jazz on June 2.
I'm sure he didn't "blow them off" in his mind. He simply
rescheduled the interview for a day when he can work out for the Jazz
exclusively. He's going to be with them all day, might as well interview then.
I just read that article where Williams says he is a 3 not a 4. I'd like to see
Kirilenko stay a year more with Utah. Williams is a pretty brash young man, but
I'm sure Andre could teach him lots. They would make a good SF combo next year,
with Williams gradually increasing his minutes. Kanter's comment that he would
rather play PF than C or he sees himself as a PF not a C echoes big Al's
self-assessment. I know a lot don't agree with me, but I thought the only way
the Jazz were going to make the playoffs during this season was with Fes
eventually at center. So, this is a lineup next year I might like to see:C: Fes/Jefferson/OkurPF: Favors/Jefferson/MilsapSF:
Harris/Watson/Jimmer or Burks
According to a tweet sent out by Chad Ford Kanter didn't really blow off the
Jazz interview, apparently rather than do a short interview they opted for an
all day affair on June 2nd.I get the feeling that because of the
plethora of big men Utah already has Utah isn't his first choice but he seems
willing to play here.Personally I like Kanter but I'm praying he
goes top 2 so the Jazz can draft Williams.Either Williams, Knight,
or Kanter will be wearing a Jazz uni next year.
Big oops...forgot Jeremy Evans. Definitely want him on the team. Well, there are
going to be changes. Perhaps he will end up being the backup SF to Williams, as
Kirilenko might very well leave. I'm sure Jeremy is somewhere working on his
jump shot and putting the ball on the floor and driving by his man to the hoop.
Work on it Jeremy. We need ya.
really fes?...i'd rather sign dalembert...than let fes be the starter...fes is
good as a sub...
3rd is NOT a pick to gamble with. So, no Euros that have buy-out issues,
PLEASE!If the "perfect" big man isn't available at 3rd,
then use it on Jimmer and do something else with the 12th, like pick the best
big left (SF?) or trade it.I know some believe other PGs in the
draft are better than Jimmer, but that's a smoke-screen: they might be fast, but
so are a lot of so-so NBA players. Speed isn't everything.Jimmer has
something none of those others have: shot range! Jimmer's shot range is
practically unheard of in the NBA. Historically, even.I'd love to be
an NBA coach with THAT in my arsenal. Can you imagine how tough it would be to
defend a PG that has unreal range AND a wicked cross-over? Pick-and-role from
several feet beyond the trey line? (Being facetious.)With Jimmer at
the helm, defenses would invariably find themselves in scramble mode.
Brandon will not be drafted within the first ten picks. Jimmer could out-shoot
him and we already have a better-than-average point guard anyway. Our third pick
should be either Kanter or Williams. Jimmer may be the best of what's left at
Minn is shopping the #2 pick so there goes Williams for the Jazz. The Jazz
would be better off with Williams so maybe KOC should bundle and trade Fes, CJ,
AK, Price and Bell and get the #2 pick.I think Kanter = Koufos not
too much excitement there
Kanter with the third pick should be an easy decision, even if it creates a
logjam, I am enamored with Kanters athleticism and would prefer him to replace
AJ, even though AJ is a double double machine on the cusp of all star
greatness...in a year or two, Kanter has the moves to replace AJ's scoring and
Kanter will always be more athletic and better able to defend than AJ, as will
Favors, so I like both of them more than AJ based on potential and defense, even
at center. Also, we still have memo too, which should be a good pairing with
Kanter. One trade that I think makes alot of sense is AJ for the fourth pick,
but I doubt it happens. If Jimmer isn't there at 12, then Walker should
be. The concerns about his speed are legitimate, if he isn't fast enough to
defend the position he simply won't be able to make it, ala, morris almond.
Jimmer would be a good fit for the Jazz and everyone agrees he is going to need
that to make it, patience, vision, he has nbaskill, but walker can helpuwin from
A lot of Jazz fans are comparing Kanter to Koufos but I don't think the
comparison sticks. I watched Kanter work out on Thursday and Friday, and I came
aware very impressed. The guy is a very good post player and can go equally
well to his left and right. Not only that, he can also shoot facing the basket.
He was coordinated in his movements. So, I think this guy has a real shot at
being a very good player in a few years (he is currently 19).Let's
not rule Kanter out just because he is from Europe.
The Jazz have put themselves in a great position to really have a long term
great team. The key, I think, is to maximize this and next year's draft. To me
that means do what it takes to get the right guys, even if it means getting rid
of some that are not quite right. This is my plan:#3Pick-Draft
Knight or Williams (if Kahn goes nuts and drafts Kanter).Trade Devin
Harris to Sacramento for the #7 pick. Harris is injury prone, can't finish in
the half court, is 5-8years older than the rest of Jazz key players, but has a
good contract and has value.#7 Pick Kawhi Leonard. He might be the
most sure thing in the draft. Pretty sure he will rebound, defend, play with
energy. Think Matt Harpring with more talent and a little work to do on the J.
Great glue guy. Winner. (If Williams is at 3 then take him and draft Knight at
7-hopefully he's still there)#12 Jimmer. Our version of Dallas
bench shooting. Second option if Bismack Biyombo if he really can be a Ben
Wallace type defender.More to come...
Too bad the jazz have the 3rd pick in such a shallow draftThe
Pickin's will be slim from top to bottom...wish they had this pick LY...
If the Jazz really like Jimmer, they might even need to trade up to get him in
this weak draft, right now there is about a 50% chance he is there at 12, I
think the Jazz can interview other pg's and some smfwds and sg's, all positions
there have players with nice upside. I think the Jazz can wait to draft day to
make a decision, after workouts, see how the draft unfolds. But the fans of
Utah are going to make this an issue, i can see, don't forget there are some
good options out there if it doesn't work out.
My support follows Jimmer!
Next step to my two draft plan:Start Knight Hayward Leonard Al and
Favors. Play them and Jimmer or Bismack lots of minutes. Either loose a lot,
or these guys get good faster than predicted. If we loose a lot, great year to
do it, short season and hello 2012 draft. This is where we get our
franchise player. First we hope we win the lottery. If so, Harrison Barnes,
welcome to Utah. If not, use our pick, Warrior's pick Asset from Okur's
expiring contract we picked up last year, CJ Miles expiring contract asset, and
even Millsap if needed to get him. Throw in a couple more first rounders if
needed. Just Get Him.STARTERSKnightHaywardBarnesAJFavorsBENCHJimmer/Bismack depending on
who we draftedKawahi LeonardPossibly Millsap, Miles. Fes.Really go after Shane Battier this summer in the FA market. He and Earl
Watson are perfect defensive leader/mentor types for the young guys to teach
them how to be professionals. Here are a couple of backup center
gambles worth taking:1-Deandre Jordon-2-Greg Oden-3-FesWhat do you think??
I can't believe the "instant gratification" generation mentality!
Don't waste the picks on rookies Jazz, go for experienced younger veterans in
trades and look at all of the real good free agents available. These young studs
just eat up too much salary towards the cap and they won't be productive for a
couple years anyway. Let others have these youngsters, because we have plenty
ourselves now. Even if we have to trade the picks for next year, that would be
wiser than blowing your good fortune you got this year on a weak crop of
freshman and players that don't even have alot of college experience. Be smart
Kevin and don't blow it!
@Jazz Cop, what Kanter athletism you are talking about? He is not explosive,
doesn't play above the rim, doesn't block shots. He uses his weight and post
moves well vs smaller kids his age what he is going to do in NBA vs same size
but more athletic men? As I said he is no better then Koufos and Koufos was
bigger and more athletic. Plus he is PF who plays in low post ( same as
Jefferson) why we would need another PF? If Jazz go big they should go with
Valanciunas, 6'11, 7'6 wingspan, true center, great hands, always plays hard and
runs well ( sounds like Noah a lot but better FT shooter at 90%!) and plays
excelent in pick and roll offense. Leonard on the other hand is very
promising SF and if Jazz not planning to sign AK they should grab him - that
dude will be biggest sleeper in this draft.
I don't think Jazz need to do anything but take the bpa, as long as they do that
they can't lose in this draft. Any player they should draft at their position
should be a player with some coveted upside particularly for the Jazz; while any
player who should be drafted in the position just ahead of them is a player who
would be a fit on any team in the league, and should the player slip a spot
would also be a fit for the Jazz, everyone will say it is a reach if the coveted
Jazz players are picked before their 'ordained' slot, because every gm takes a
huge risk passing up a sure thing in this weak draft. I see that there is a
first tier of three players, and a second tier of about ten players without much
difference between any of them; this draft can go either way for alot of teams,
but for the Jazz it will be good regardless.
I'm talking about defense man.
Valanciunas is a huge risk, he might not even make it over due to contract, and
might not be a good fit attitude wise. If those things were equal I'd say pick
Valanciunas but I don't think they are.
It looks like Minnesota is now intrested in Kanter. I believe that he is the
real deal. However, the Jazz need Plan B. Jimmer is the "people's
choice" so bring him in to fill the seats with pick 12.
With the Jazz's record of draft picks it is not a good sign for Fredette that
they like him. They would draft him, season him for a year or two and then trade
him as he develops into a successful player.
Kahn is the evil genius so he would get interested in Kanter, in the end, he
will have to pick Williams, I think just for the stupid thing he said right
after the draft which no one should forget immediately. Kahn should keep his
mouth shut and take the bpa, Kanter has the most bust potential in minnesota, he
doesn't add as much to their team as williams, and Kahn knows he would be a fool
to take kanter with the players they have. Of course, he's going to try to
advertise Kanter and hope someone wants to trade up and get him. I think that
if he can't pull off a trade before the draft he's going to have a hard time
getting one he likes in the five minutes he is going to have to decide during
the draft. It will just be an indication of every team's reluctance to give up
assets to position themselves in this draft, I doubt the potential alone will be
enough to convince anybody to give what it would take, and kahn, evil genuis he
is, is smart enough not to sell cheap.
@Jazz Cop what do you know about Valanciunas attitude? Every scout is raving
about his endless motor and always playing hard. Are you sure you not talking
I am hoping for Williams and if Jimmer is still available why not? It would get
Utah more excited for the Jazz having Jimmer but I think someone will snatch him
up before the Jazz can.
The Jazz aren't going to say that they hate Jimmer in an Interview with him.
What do you expect. This team stinks defensivley so I would like the best
defender in the draft Chris Singleton. Jimmer can go to new york and be aprt of
the run and gun style of offense that won't win any championships. I do not want
the Jazz to become that type of team.
I don't think it matters too much. The Jazz will get a good player at #3, be it
Williams or Kanter. Both are really nice players. They'd be going in the 5-7
range in a normal year, but Sullinger, Barnes, and Jones went back to school so
Williams and Kanter get a bigger payday. Who cares? They're both really good
and the Jazz can benefit from either. If the Jazz take Kanter then
they can let Elson and Fes walk away. That would let them sign a free agent
wing player. If the Jazz choose Williams they've got a fantastic young wing.
Two good choices.
The comparisons of Kanter and Koufous are terrible, their not even close, Kanter
has great touch and can score from anywhere on the court. KK could'nt put the
ball in the basket or he would still be with the Jazz. Kanter would be a great
pick and I hope we get him. If Williams is available he would be great,
and that would probably mean Kanter was taken at the 2 spot but Williams has to
prove he can play the 3, I think he has the quickness and speed to play the 3
but he will need an adjustment period, while he learns how to get comfortable on
the outside, he has been play the 4 in college.I'm not that high on
Knight, maybe I'll learn more about him that will help change my feeling but so
far he's not what I'd want at the 3 spot. I'd rather have Leonard or Vesely or
even Jonas than Knight.I'd like Jimmer at 12 but Thompson or Singleton
would be OK too, we need outside shooting but we also need D and Singleton would
give us that.
Contrary to popular belief, not everyone in Utah is a BYU fan and not everyone
would love having Jimmer on the Jazz.
Cavs might take Enes with 1st pick since their will be many guards left @ the
4th spot for the Cavs to pick from with about the same talent level. That would
throw a money wrench into Jazz pick selection. Enes's father is a professor
which is extremely important when picking a very high draft pick. Blood lines
means alot especially with NBA players. Utah had "3" picks
in the 1998 draft which amounted to nothing. Nazr never lived up to his
potential and the other player from Kansas about 6'9" who played a few
years for the Jazz did nothing (while Nazr was traded immediately). The 3rd
player taken in the 1st round by Utah was not good either. CAN ANYBOBY REMEMBER
THAT 3RD PLAYER ? Each team needs luck more than having multiple picks when
selecting these players. Finally, will Ante Tomic be in a Jazz
uniform this season ???
@Captain L... Koufos was dominating his age euro championship even more then
Kanter did, how was he able to do it withou putting ball in the basket when he
scored 35pts and got over 20 reb in final game??? When Koufos was drafted
everybody was writing that Jazz got Okur clone because of his great outside
touch. What happened though is kid never had confidence to play thanks to Jerry
Sloan who kept him in doghouse. Plus Koufos is 7 ft while Kanter is 6'10 at
best. Kanter has not played vs big grown men at all so saying that he has great
touch is a bit of a stretch as one thing is to dominate smaller and lighter kids
and have confidence to shoot over them and other thing will be to play vs legit
6-11-7FT 260-280lbs NBA players - after he gets his shot swatted couple times
then you will find out if he has great touch from anywhere. I am not surprised
that Kanter refuses to workout vs others and does just individual drills, think
With the #3 pick in the 2011 NBA draft Williams and Kanter are the front
runners. With the number#12 pick in the 2011 NBA draft I like
Fredette, Klay Thompson, Chris Singleton, Marshon Brooks and Jordan Hamilton in
that order. Things will certainly change some between now and draft day but
today those are the ones that I have honed in on.
Well, the screport is that his only move right now is off the pick and roll, and
even though it's probably a very good move, he hasn't shown any inclination to
develop another move, relying solely on the strength of his pick and roll, and
in the nba he will have to have another move. I'm sure he's a good kid, I'm
just saying alot of kids believe in their patented moves a little bit too much
and that is all I meant by his attitude, I heard he is cocky which can be a red
flag, but i'm sure its not a problem. I like his size though and think he would
be good alongside a double double machine, like AJ. I think the biggest problem
which makes things not equal is his contract situation which is for real
though, I don't think he can play in the states for a year or two, and that is a
gamble I'd hate to see the Jazz take.JV could be a fit in minnesota though
attitude/skillwise, they might not mind stashing him over there while they wait
@Longterm ... Harrison Barnes isn't in the Draft. Too bad for us.
@Rick-I could see them taking enes too, he really helped himself out alot int he
draftcamp, i bet he goes number one, in which case i think the jazz still end up
with the player everyone thinks will be better once you take potential out of
the equation, if it's a risk gm's want to take then it is their jobs on the
lines, and who would want to stop a risktaker from teaching everyone what they
know?? Even Kanter is not a sure pick for Utah, his potential will be
undetermined until he actally gets into the league, in which case the right
situation will be undeniably important...people will see if they mess with the
ordained order they will be left with no one, these are the rules for dummies,
these rules make this draft clear as day. Don't forget these kids can play a
couple of years and no one hears from them again, hate to be the gm that it
could happen to if u know what i mean.
I watched Euro under 18 final game vs France where he scored 34pts and had 18
reb, and he scored on variety of moves, baby hook shots, putbacks, spin move,
post up etc. Of course he is not yet polished offensively and has ways to go
before he will be legit NBA man but his potential is highest of all this draft
big men. I am most impressed with his motor and always playing hard. Add that to
great frame and 7'6 wingspan - that is hard to pass. Thats why he is rated above
Kanter by Yahoo and Draftexpress mock drafts. Is he a future all star? probably
not, but solid hard working, paint patroling 15pts/10reb/2-3blk center - no
doubt. I would not have a problem with Jazz taking him and developing him into
Noah/Camby clone in 2-3 years. Isn't that what we need most since M.Eaton?
Right now, I'm entertaining the idea of having a good fastbreak team, with guys
like kanter and favors running the lanes hard, that would be the kind of game i
want to watch, it would be fun, and in the west it's really the style of play,
you have to be a good running team, but a defensive center like Jv with camby
potential is a huge asset for a young team too, especially one like utah or
minnesota with their double double machines waiting for a player like that to
fall into their laps, like manna from heaven; u don't need as much team
chemistry, but the chemistry with kanter in utah will be smashing, smashing i
tell u.If the Jazz should go a different direction than Kanter they need
to take irving who is a perfect fit, or williams who i think might end up being
the best player right now, either way the jazz can build with those players too,
i'd be happy with kanter at three and with favors we would have a running team
that i'd like to watch, even if they stink for a year or two.
A WhatsInItForMe: haha! draft Jimmer at the 3, that was a good one.
for those saying to pick Jimmer with the 3rd pick are too biased and using
emotion only to make their decision. Jimmer might be good at 12, we could always
use a great shooter. I think we need to pick Knight or Williams. Williams if he
is available. Jimmer could be a Steve Kerr, which I think would be nice but you
don't use a top 3 pick on that.
I am a BYU fan first, a Jazz fan second and a Jimmer fan third and I like Jimmer
and think he will do well in the NBA. Having said that, the crucial
decision for me about the Jazz drafting Jimmer is simple. Is he the best player
in the draft for the Jazz at the 12 pick. Would he help the Jazz more than any
other player available. I think you can make a strong case for
Jimmer. However, the Jazz may not need his skill set that badly if they draft
Knight at 3. However, the Jazz plan on playing Knight at SG with
Harris for a while. They could just as easily play Knight at SG with Jimmer
(eventually). That puts 2 PGs on the floor at the same time and the Jazz run
best that way. In the Knight/Jimmer case both can shoot well. This is similar to
DWill/Fisher.Hayward and Knight/Jimmer also make sense. The Jazz have options. Let's see how good Jimmer's D is in work outs. Adding 2 shooting PGs to the Jazz adds a lot of fire power and passing
capability to the guards. Defense?
I worry that Clevland will draft William at #1 and Minn. will draft Kanter, that
would leave us Irving but I'd rather have Williams or Kanter.
Everyone needs to look at he measurement of Knight he didn't measure out that
tall, he is 3/4 in taller than Jimmer, 6'1 1/2" without shoes, he has to
really stretch to get to 6'3" and he's 175 lbs, I'm not sold on him. I hope the Jazz get Kanter or Williams at the 3, I need to read and learn more
about Irving. At the 12, the Jazz need to get the best player to help
their team, that could be Jimmer or it could be Singleton, or Thompson or Harris
or even Biyombo, if he fell that far. Montajunas may even fall that far.
Talented bigs are hard to find and valuable as trade chips.
Irving is the best fit for the Jazz with the roster they have now, in the case
he is there at three, i will not be dissapointed w/him at the third pick,
however, i like all three of the top picks, it is an easy decision. I am
excited about Kanter because he was projected to go three, and he's worth moving
some pieces around. Irving or williams also represent endless possibilities
w/the benefit they require the jazz to be less flexible, and they move ahead
without missing a beat, w/o having to make trades, this is a no lose draft
situation for the jazz. kanter, like it or not, has the most bust potential, he
looked good in workouts and people will fall in love with him, but he is going
to take the longest to have an impact no matter what, and if gm's really put
everything in perspective they will have to justify why they a sure thing is
worth risking for potential that is mostly unique to the jazz situation.
believe me, if kanter is taken before 3 and doesn't work out it will be the gm
I thought Jimmer mania was over? Aren't even BYU fans getting a little tired of
it?Dear Jazz,Please do not pick Jimmer.
The Jazz aren't going to take Jimmer at 12 unless they feel he is the best
player available and the player they want and feel will help the team the
most.It's not a popularity contest. There are too many Jimmer fans that
want him because he's a home town boy and from BYU, and there are too many
haters, like gonefishn that don't want him even if he is the best player
available, just because he played at BYU. I'm a big BYU fan and hope for the
best for Jimmer but I want the Jazz to draft the player that will help them the
most and has the most potential.My top 2 picks would be Williams and
Kanter , Irving sounds good but I haven't watched him much. Players that will
probably go between 3 and 12 like Vesely, Jonas, Biyombo, Leonard, Knight, would
be OK but I'm hoping for Williams or Kanter.At the 12 spot any of the
above that fall that far or Jimmer, Singleton, Thompson, Harris, Burk, Brooks,
would be good. I may like Brooks better than Burk, Thompson or Harris.
What's the deal with Ricky Rubio? Do the Timber Wolves still have him under
contract? I wonder if the Jazz could some how get him. Brandon Knight looks
good, but I think the Jazz should try to get Williams or Kanter. It's not to
often you can get a good PF/C. I don't see any "elite" point guards
in this draft, at least not like D-Will or Rose.
Pundits have been saying that the top two are Irving and Williams. If Kanter
shows well and the Timberwolves take him, that may free up Williams (assuming
CLE takes Irving). If Williams is available at the #3 spot the Jazz must take
him. Too much upside. He will be a star. That would free up the Jazz
to pick up a quality shooter like Jimmer at the #12.Make it happen
Lots of opinions on this thread. I'm not sure how all the rest of you are
getting into the heads of these prospects and reading their minds, but it's fun
to read. Basic premise - good bigs are hard to come by. As Frank
Layden said, you can't coach height. Mark Eaton was hardly a polished, skilled
player, but he was 7'4" and solidly built. You Jimmer-phobes
need not worry. KOC and Corin aren't morons. Any ticket selling advantage Jimmer
brings will wear off after the first year unless he can really play. If he is
the best player in the draft at #12, they'll take him; if not, they won't. The
big question is that number 3. I don't see that Knight is enough better than
what they have now to take over Kanter. Taking Kanter gives the Jazz some assets
to trade to get a better and more polished PG. MHO
Irving is no worse than the fifth worst player in the draft and despite dwill.2
who thinks he is rookie of the year, he may be half right, i still think irving
will be rookie of the year because of impact, even with jazz, so not a bad
pickup at the #3.
@Scalman--didn't mind your lineup except BURKS is definitely NOT a PG. Go w/ JF.
@Jazzcop--weren't you and I having the same argument about Irving a few months
back?? I think so. If my memory serves me right you were NOT in favor of getting
Irving b/c your beloved Harris was our future PG...ring a bell? Jumped ship
JAzz cop? You were relentlessly trying to nail me regarding the Jazz trading up
and getting Irving and now you want Him??? come on man....@gonefishn--your hatred towards JF is unbelievable. You obviously have never
seen him play bball...pure ignorance. Last time I checked we needed a PURE
shooter as we don't have one single one right now on the team. Who is a better,
"pure" outside shooter in this draft besides JF?? Talk to me
Fishn....please. His stock is going up and I highly doubt he will be avail at
#12. So you will get your wish-despite your lack of serious knowledge regarding
his talent.....I hope we get him.....and are fortunate at the #12 spot. This is
not a popularity contest for me; he is the real deal and you will see soon
enough....all of you haters will. Go Jazz.
All you JF haters read up on ESPN and Fox sports about JF's rising stock at the
combine.....we will never get him at #12 is my prediction. If he con't to
impress he will leapfrog into the top #10. Again, you haters know absolutely
nothing about his game; he is more than just a shooter but the best in the draft
at that. Instant offense one scout said from year #1....off the bench of
course. He can dish, create, get to the basket, very strong build (only one
other PG benched 185 lbs more times), heart, very high IQ, has improved his
D/lateral quickness and this will only get better. He can spread the offense
like no other and ALL NBA teams we have to respect that.....He is getting rave
reviews from the best in the NBA (aka Durrant, Rose, James and Byrant to name a
few). Now I will listen to those NBA Stars over anyone on this forum....Are you
telling me these all-stars are wrong in??? Gonefishn? You are smarter than that
man. JF is the real deal folks and I hope we can land him....
Sorry folks one more thing--just read (rumor and no more--just a thought) is
that your beloved 19 y/o Kanter has no interest in coming to UT. He would prefer
to land in Washington (play w/ Wall I guess). It was also said that he doesn't
want to land in Toronto either. If (key word if) this is true who the heck does
this punk think he is? Really? 19 y/o and supposedly making this remarks....I
say NO unless something magical resurfaces and he starts talking. I like other
picks or as Vinnie suggested a young veteran player who is proven. Captain L and other, I know this is just a rumor but if there is even an ounce
of validity to this keep him the heck out of UTAH, period. I don't want to go
through another DWill experience anytime soon. I have heard a few other reports
surfacing that Kanter has no desire to play in UT. Good, b/c we don't need him
as we have Favors. I know AJ is soft but at least he was stoked to come to UT
and play--he does have heart....
Please stop with the daily Jimmer articles...Can't wait for the
draft to come and go so these Jimmer articles will go away.
JazzRule, should the Jazz land him you will still get more headlines partner???
He's not only grabbing headlines on DN you know.....It's all fun man....exciting
times as Jazzer, right? Take it for what it's worth....Go Jazz..
Can someone actually do some reporting on how he performed in the combines. They
said he did some one on one, working on defense. How did he look? if that is his
weakness, report on it.
@amgolfer-keep your fingers crossed, again i am not disputing anything w u, u r
wrong though, and if u feel u have to respond to something i say then i'd prefer
u do it indirectly because i can as easily ignore u as respond to accusations
which are not even close to true.
amgolfer: I wouldn't want Kanter to be drafted by the Jazz either if he doesn't
want to come here but I don't think that is the case. Other reports have it that
he likes the Jazz and would get up at 4 am in the morning in Turkey to watch the
Jazz and Okur. His comments about the Jazz have been positive, he just knows
Wall and would like to play with him. If the Jazz can get Williams, Kanter or
Irving it will be good, I'm not that sold on Knight, maybe I don't know enough
about him but I feel more positive about the other 3. We should be able to get
one of them.
Want proof, here it is:CHICAGO --- Ask Kentucky big man Enes Kanter
whether he sees himself as a power forward or a center in the NBA, and hell give
the kind of answer that surely makes league executives smile. I can do either,
he said. When I went to Kentucky, coach (John) Calipari told me, You are not
just a center. You need to play power forward, too. So I worked on my shot, on
my face-up game and I think I can play either now.But, apparently,
he has eyes on being a starting center next year. Kanter measured at 6-11.25
with a standing reach of 9-1.5 and a wingspan of 7-1.5 on Friday. Here at the
NBA draft combine, Kanter skipped out on interviews with the Bucks, Raptors and
Jazz.Kanter did meet with the Wizards, Cavaliers and Timberwolves, and
could potentially start at center for each of those teams.
@SJ Bobkins... he was 6'11 with shoes, only 6'975 without shoes, only 7'1
wingspan, not athletic, doesn't play above the rim. Compare to Valanciunas 6'11
without shoes and 7'6 wingspan and it is clear who will have more impact on
defensive end. We do not need another PF in this draft we need SF or C. If
D.Williams is taken before us Jazz need to get Valanciunas. Plus Kanter never
played with men while Valanciunas has full year of experience in Euroleague.
@Captain L--Kanter is good no doubt but if what I'm reading/hearing is true I
don't want him b/c he will inevitably want out of UT should we draft him. I
will keep looking for this but my gut tells me he doesn't want to come to UT. We
will see as I've been wrong many times before:)About Brandon
Knight-he will be solid. No doubt he will have to establish himself more as a
true PG. I think he will be good but one never knows. This is such a terribly
weak draft that a #25 pick may be just as good as a #5-10 pick. Sad but true.
Bottom line is we will have Kanter, Williams or Irving in the draft.
But maybe KOC will mix it up and trade it away for a proven young vet--who
knows. I think JF would be solid at #12 but his stock is moving up and may be
gone by then.
#Jazz Cop--fill free to ignore away my friend but you are the one that is
completely wrong here regarding comments on Irving. You were not in favor of
drafting Irving as you were very high on Harris being our future PG. We didn't
need a PG in the draft remember? Please be truthful about this and start
remembering. I know a lot of folks that ignore your posts and I maybe I should
also join in but I couldn't resist this one b/c of the nonsense you gave me
about it a couple of months back. Oh, one more thing I think
speaking to you "directly" is exactly the thing to do. You do it and
people all over these forums do it to you...It's the way it is..We will just
have to deal w/ that.Oh, not on the Harris bandwagon anymore?
Also just want to make another point Cop that Kanter is hardly athletic. He is
good/polished but not much athleticism. I know several have said the same thing
but I know you changed the subject and didn't say anything more regarding the
Kanter can shoot from the outside and he is good on the inside. He is
essentially Okur only maybe better. Valaniunas is more of a C. He is
young but he may eventually be another Pau Gasol. He will work more inside and
should gain at least 20 more pounds putting him at 260+. The big
question on him is will he come over under the new CBA? If the salaries are cut
the the $ is weak will he stay in Europe? Irving and Knight are the
real deal. They are both young and inexperienced but most of their problems
solve with time and experience. They will both go in the top 5 picks. Jimmer is still a ? Is he the best option for the Jazz at 12. Who are the
other options? I do not like Burks at all. Klay Thompson is essentially Kover.
Jimmer will defend better than that. Leonard may be good IF he can extend his
range and improve his shot. He has very large hands which tends to hurt his
shooting accuracy? The Jazz are going to do pretty well in this
draft no matter who they pick. An SF is the top priority.
Bugoff, I agree regarding Burks. He needs to stay in college at least one more
year. I like JF at #12 but he very well could go before that as his stock did
rise at the combine. Several teams are looking at him including the Bucks who
have the #10 pick. We need outside shooting badly as we have no one on the
current roster who feels that void. We need a proven shooter now--JF fits the
bill and amongst other things he can bring to the table. He will get better on D
and frankly how many people stop quick PG anyway? DWill couldn't stop CP3, Rose,
Westbrook, etc just like all of the quick PG can't stop DWill from getting to
the rack....everyone needs help defense. I would love Williams and JF in the
draft unless KOC has some tricks up his sleeve about trading for a proven
shooter, SF...we will see. I agree with you regarding Knight and Irving. They
are the real deal but not immediately as they are both young and inexperienced
as you said. I mean Irving has only played 11 games but has great upside.
Where ever Jimmer goes, so goes my families and mine allegiance...if it is not
the Jazz, so go our season tickets as well.
Veracity why? I would like to think there is no bigger fan than I regarding JF
but if we don't get him it's not the end of the world partner. Don't give up
your season tickets; we have great upside and the future looks great. I will
always follow Fredette as I have been for the past four years (hardly missing a
home game-and no I'm no longer a student at the Y just alum). I too hope we can
land him but I will not be fair-weathered and stop supporting my hometown team.
True allegiance (as you put it) is sticking by your team through good and bad. I
was land blasted when I made a few comments on the forum about being done with
the Jazz after DWill was traded; my emotions got the better of me...I quickly
came back to reality after a few comments that were made to me on this very
sight. I needed to vent yes but also grow-up and I did. I have followed the Jazz
since I was 5 yrs old and can't stop now. You shouldn't either. Go Jazz....
Goodbye then Veracity. The Jazz who were 7th in overall attendance this year (a
bad year for the team) are one of 10 teams that have 10,000 or more season
ticket holders and were 2nd highest in tv ratings this last year.You
won't be hurting the Jazz, so yeah, bye :)
MIL is listening to offers for Jennings. The new Hoopsworld consensus draft has
MIL taking Burks. They have the Wolves taking Kantor which makes some sense to
me. They have the Jazz taking Williams, Kemba or Knight. Why would you take
Kemba over Williams or Knight. Are the Jazz even doing a work out
with Kemba? I think some of the draft experts have the Jazz doing
dumb things so that popular teams drafting later can get players their fans
want. AT 12 they have Utah taking JF, Hamilton, Burks, Thompson or
Monte. Nobody knows what the Jazz will do but I am skeptical of them taking
Kemba over Knight or Williams at 3. If MIL trade Jennings (a PG)
they will probably move up to get another PG. Jennings and Kemba are similar,
small fast and neither shoot that well. MIL could take Knight at 2? That leaves
Williams at 3. That also means Kahn traded Knight or Kemba for Jennings. Lots of rumors. The highest JF is on the consensus board is
the Jazz at 12 and PHO at 13. Who is working out for the Jazz?
Thanks bugoff for the info. I agree w/ you--under no circumstances should we be
looking at kemba...I will not be happy. I rather have Knight no questions asked.
If Williams is avail at #3 we have to take him, right? He would be the best
player avail at that moment....man should we pass him up for Walker, wow, not
good. I don't think KOC is that stupid. It will be interesting. It's
fun listening to all the speculation. If we ended up with Williams and JF they
have done their job.I also don't want Burks as I think he will be to
big of a project. What about Hamilton? Any upside? Texas guy right? Burks has
too many flaws right now. I agree w/ Vinnie it that we can't have a bunch of
rookies (freshman and sophomore's on the team). We need some good veteran
players that have been around for a few years. We have Jefferson, Milsap,
Harris, Bell, Watson, CJ and this is about it. I don't know if two or three of
them will even be wearing a Jazz uniform. Go Jazz.
people who compare Kanter to Koufos doesnt know a thing about basketball...
Katashi it's a moot point buddy. You are right as Kanter has way more of an
upside that KK will ever have. He is far better. Bottom line, it just doesn't
appear that Enes wants to be in UT. Pure speculation I know but if there is any
truth to it keep him out of the state of UT. This is the real issue here. Well,
possibly his knees as well:-)I'm pretty sure you would agree w/ the
above stated comment. Again, the comparison is a moot point and I wouldn't even
indulge in discussing this point as there is non.
"Instead, Fredette has tested well athletically, with his knack for
creating his own shot among the best at the pre-draft camp in Chicago. Expect
Fredette to be drafted in the 12-16 range of the first round, although some
think with more individual workouts like his first, he could move up a few
spots. "Like everyone after the top two picks, he's a bit of a
gamble," the insider said. "But man, for anyone looking for instant
offense off the bench, he could be a big hit right away." FOXSportsOhio
Everyone needs to watch Kanter on YouTube, watch his draft workout in Chicago at
Grovers Gym. He's pretty smooth, not a high flyer but very skilled. Someone, (a scout or coach, someone) said Kanter moves around and rebounds
like Moses Malone, I'd take that. He has alot more game away from the basket
than Moses had though.Williams would be another great pick up, I know he
hasn't played the 3 in college and I was worried about that but he wants to play
the 3 and he's determined to prove he can. With his quickness and speed, I think
he can.There's a small chance Irving could slide to the 3 spot and that
would be good too, I watched him yesterday and he's smooth and does look alot
like Paul. He's 6.3 though.Any of those 3 players would really be nice,
Knight is good but not nearly as smooth or gifted as a point guard as Irving.At the 12 spot , its either Jimmer or Thompson, or Brooks, to fill the shooter
need or Singleton or Biyombo to fill the defense need. IMO
@Kakashi: It is easy right now to put Kosta down after he spend few seasons in
NBA and think that Kanter is better, but look what was written about Koufos
before draft - in fact scouts were raving about him way more then about
Kanter. Ten days, thats the amount of time Kosta Koufos spent with the
Greek National Team before the Championship started. Only ten days to get to
know his teammates, coaches and playbook and merge with them. And just ten days
later, he started collecting the MVP award that credits him as the most valuable
player in the tournament. Averaging 26.5 points, 13 rebounds, 3.5 blocks
or 1.4 steals in almost 35 minutes per game, Koufos delivered an almost unheard
of statistical effort in the last decade. Nobody has come close to producing
those numbers in junior category since 1996. Now look at Kanters numbers
in same competition: 18.6 pts, 16.4 reb. 1.2 blk.Better rebounder? maybe
but to say that we can't compare him to Kosta? plus Kosta is legit 7 footer
while Kanter is 6'11 with shoes and only 6'9 without.
I liked Koufos but he played small. He was 7 ft but he played 6'9". His
shot was flat, he telegraphed and his decisions were slow. He played
well his rookie year and then teams adjusted and he started hesitating while he
decided to make a move. Koufos plays well when he just plays. He tore up
D-league. That is the problem with a lot of prospects they are great
against lesser talent but struggle in the NBA. Most of the higher
ranked PGs have panned out. The bigs are more risky.
I'll be happy if the Jazz end up with either Kanter, Williams or perhaps Jonas
Valaciunas.At 12, I'm okay with the Jazz drafting Jimmer. Adding
Fredette and either Kanter, Valaciunas or Williams would, I think, work well for
the Jazz.If all of the above are gone by the 12th pick, then I'd
like to see the Jazz take a serious look at Bismack Biyombo. He's 6'9"
(with shoes), weighs 243 lbs., carries a 7'7" wing span with a standing
reach of 9'3", has only 4.3% body fat, jumps like Jeremy Evans and is still
only 18 years old. He's not a scorer but a defender.I like to think
of Bismack as a much bigger Ronnie Brewer. He is a bit rough around the edges
but could become a huge impact player in the NBA if he improves his passing and
shooting. Something I believe he is likely to do because of his real desire to
improve. He's only been playing organized basketball since he was 14 years old
and turns 19 in August.Bismack Biyombo is from the Congo.
@AMgolfer If you watch Williams agility test and sprint on you tube he is
impressive. I think he can play the 3 pretty darn well. I also watched him in
the tournament. He has range and can explode to the basket. He is not going to
be the fastest SF nor is he going to be King James but he is going to be pretty
good. Hamilton is known as a pretty sure thing in the NBA. He is an
ideal SF. He has a big ego and a me first attitude but the NBA may fix some of
that. There is no doubt he has the tools for SF.Everyone needs to
keep in mind that Kemba has a lot of support from the Eastern media as they over
rate the Big East. Further, Kemba is a Jr. and has more experience than Irving
or Knight. He has intangibles for running a team and he could run some lotto
teams now. He will fit the right team nicely. However, for the Jazz I think he
is a BAD fit based on his poor shooting and small size. The size can
be worked around. The shooting is Kryptonite.
Valanciunas has a 3 year contract with no buyout that is being negotiated. His
current eam needs cash now. If Williams is gone I could see Valanciunas at 3.
The rational would be to get bigger and longer. He will add 20-30
lbs. He is only 18, 240 lbs and he is 7 ft in shoes. He is a C but he and Favors
would be a very big wall. Millsap or AJ would get traded to save salary in a
couple of years. That means more high draft picks if worked right. He and Favors
would have a couple of years to develop (but little playing time). Valanciunas has a few years of pro experience. He also has improved every
year. I would be very surprised if he were there at 12. I doubt if Biyombo is
there at 12 but strange things happen in the draft.The Jazz have put
continuity behind them. We are in a new area where KOC will trade established
players for high draft picks as the Jazz rebuild and get the right players for
the modified flex of Corbin. The draft will indicate who is being built around.
KOC has been pretty clear about 2 things. 1. He wants to get bigger
and longer. 2. He wants a PG who can "turn the corner"I agree with him but I also think the Jazz need a lot more 1.shooting efficiency both inside and outside That is crucial to the flex.2. Better D. The Jazz have been mediocre to bad on D for years based on stats
and not old reputations.3. Most GMs ignore WP48. If KOC wants a winner he
has to max the TEAM WP48. Look at CHI, DAL and OKC. They have almost not players
with negative WP48. There benches are solid and can step up if someone goes
down.The bench is not a matter of money so much as a matter of
careful and astute recruiting. The Jazz have had a weak bad bench for years.
With the exception of Watson their back up PGs were bad and most of the rest of
the bench were flawed projects.The Sloan approach of over paying
under achieving Vets while nursing flawed projects who would always be somewhat
flawed is fortunately going. KOC is getting more affordable talent.
Jimmer may be every parents idea of the super kid for their daughter to marry or
their son to emulate but he would be a total disaster for the Jazz. He is a
shorter version of J J Redick who plays for Orlando, and has started 18 games in
5 years. KSL spent a full hour trying to sell him to us last night and I am
tired of it. Oh by the way all of our children graduated from BYU and we now
have 3 grandchildren there now, so its a great school.
Rookies, rookies, rookies. I haven't heard "one" word about the
development Jeremy Evans is likely to make. Where is going to play? I think he
potential is unlimited defensively and on offense. How about Memo who is under
contract for another year and is completely untradeable until he shows he's over
his surgery. Where's he going to play? We know we have Milsap, Favors and
Jefferson, now thats 5 bigs, throw in possibly Fess for another year, and maybe
Tomic now we are up to 7 bigs. What about wings? Well we have Hayward, C.J. and
maybe Harris or Watson depending on the nightly matchups. So we really have 2
wings, isn't that the area we need to concentrate on? Depending on Watson, maybe
we need a backup point. I say once again forget the draft, and trade the picks
for established players and look at the numerous free agents at positions where
our needs are. End of story!
Just one more comment, is A.K. will be entering his 10th yr, Bell his 11th yr,
and Watson his 10th yr in the league. How much more production do they have? You
certainly wouldn't want to sign any of them to any long term contract for sure.
So I say stay with our youth and fill with realitively young replacements for
the 3 above, but not rookies who take at least 2 years to contribute. Favors is
proof of that, even as good as he is now he really didn't light up the buildings
last year so be careful about filling the roster with youth! Remember we have
Hayward, Favors, Evans along with Jefferson, Milsap & Miles who are not
exactly old. Go get 2 to 5 year players Kevin instead of draft rookies. This
draft is very weak anyway.
I think drafting Kanter would be a huge waste based on the fact that we do not
need an under sized Center. The fact that this kid blew off his
interview does not sit well w/ me at all. I like Memo, if he is
healthy, he will help our team, no need need to draft Kanter. He would be
fighting for minutes and get frustrated. The only way the jazz
should draft Kanter, is if he is used in a trade minutes after being selected.
@Calgaryyou could see the difference between Kanter and Kosta
through film...i mean come on...the difference is there...if you really think
Kanter would end up like Kosta...you are out of your mind...you cant compare a
player to another player...its just wrong...both players have their own
abilities...plus...we are talking about a young team here...where in...he would
be able to go out and prove himself...plus come on...i watched film about Kosta
even before he was drafted...i wasnt really that impressed...watch film before
comparing....dont just read...reading is like 25% of it...unless you see it on
film...and you see it in person...so really...we cant compare them...cant you
see the hustle kanter has on the offensive end...Kosta when he shoots...he
wouldnt be able to rebound his own miss...Kanter goes ahead and gets
it...again...watch the film...
Jazz-Nation: Kanter didn't blow the Jazz off, he scheduled a whole day to meet
with them, to work out and have his interview. He's not that undersized, he's
6'11 1/4 and 270 and he's only barely 19 yrs old. Watch this kids workout video
in Chicago last week, he is very skilled and a very good rebounder. It is hard
to predict how good someone will become but he has all the tools you would want,
except great hops.
on drafting...I'd rather have Williams...since he would fill the need...or
Knight...i think those two players should be a priority...If...we do get
Kanter...Either Al or Millsap should go...i think trading memo is not a wise
decision...he has an expiring contract...and after the CBA...that would be very
helpful on next year's free agency class...im sure dwight, d-will or cp3 wont go
our way...but the other free agents should and could be at reach...we could
trade his expiring contract if and only if the player coming in...is really
worth it...and could be a game changer for us...would you risk on Yao or
Oden?...as a sub?
Please Jazz DO NOT waste another high lottery pick ona point guard.YOu can get plenty more than good enough point guards later in the draft,Unless yo can get magic johnsom or isaiah thomas, For a championship
team you need lottery, star type players at the 2/3 and 5 positions,Use the high lottery position to get what you really need and strengthen the
2, 3 and 5 positions.
@Jazzsmackthere wont be another Magic Johnson nor there will be
another Isiah...plus this is a very very weak draft...its like the draft class
of 2000...where in Darius Miles was selected 3rd due to potential...Stromile
Swift at number 2...but there were players during the 2000 draft that became all
stars...and one of them was a second rounder...this undersized SG named Michael
Redd...who happens to shoot the lights out from deep....im not comparing Jimmer
with michael redd...but...any player in this draft...could prove everyone
wrong...including Jeremy Tyler...he might be better than Kanter for all we
know...i just enjoy the speculation of who they will draft...but let's be
honest...its still up to the jazz brass on who will they select during the
draft...let's just hope that whoever picks 3 and 12 is...they surprise us and
becomes part of our young core of Hayward and Favors...
I can't understand why so many posters think that if the Jazz draft Kanter that
Milsap or Jefferson needs to go. Kanter, or Favors for that matter, hasn't
proven a thing yet.Favors was the third pick in the draft last year and made
the SECOND- team all rookie squad. One would expect that the third pick would
make the first squad. Don't get me wrong,I like Favor's potential ,but don't
count chickens before they're hatched.I believe you never trade a proven NBA
player for an unproven one unless you have to. Especially a big man. Kanter =
unproven, Milsap and Jefferson = proven. A team having an extra big man that
can play isn't a bad thing at all. Good big men have been traditionally harder
to come by than wings and guards. The Jazz need more size in the middle in my
view and Kanter can help fill that void. Kanter looks alot tougher than Okur
which isn't hard to be, and he does have an outside shot to compliment his
inside game.I don't think Okur is ever going to be the player that he was.
@kakashi, I watched some videos on Kanter - not impressed. He is just more
mature and bigger then other kids in those videos so not a big deal to get those
rebounds when you can box out due to 50Lbs difference. What I see is that he is
not athletic, doesn't play above the rim, doesn't block shots and lives in a
post. All in all smaller copy of Jefferson at best who does not block shots -
why do Jazz need him?
When we talk about AJ or Millsap getting traded we are not talking immediately.
Both contracts are up in 2 years. That is enough time for Favors, Kantor,
Valanciunas etc to develop. The big issue is playing time to
develop. The ONLY reason you draft a big is if you think they will be better
than AJ or Millsap.
The Jazz need to get Williams, some teams were interested in the rights to Ante
Tomic earlier, maybe they could use that to move down or CJ. I still like
Veseley if they can't get Williams.
Captain L: I know just as much about Kanter as you do. I was saying weeks ago
the Jazz should grab him if they were picking at 6, but not with the 3rd over
all pick. I think we need a 1-2-3 before a 4 or 5. Just look at our guards and
wings right now, it is pretty weak to say the least, we need depth at the 1 and
2 the most.Maybe draft Williams to play SF, If not, bring back go go
Gadget arms!If the Jazz are thinking that Memo will not return
healthy, maybe draft Kanter, who knows? But I think the idea will be depth for
next year's squad and hopefully a trade or a free agent that can help us win
would be nice.I would use the 3rd to draft
Williams/Jimmer/Knight/Kanter/TRADE in that orderI would think that
a trade has to be in the works. Some billionaire NBA owner might make the Jazz
an offer that we can not refuse.No question the Jazz have some tough
decisions to make.
@ Richie-unbelievable. I quote you, "total disaster for the Jazz."
Really??? Based on what? You're actually comparing him to JJ R???? Wow. I am in
a stupor of thought. Did you watch any basketball this year? With those type of
meaningless comments I think you need to take off the blind fold buddy. JJ, when
at Duke, could definitely shoot the trey after he came off 3 screens to get
open. He still can't create his own shot..hmmm. JF can create his own shot and
get to the rim at will. Please educate yourself and watch tape as I refuse to go
any further with utter nonsense. That is only ONE thing JF beats JJ at....the
rest you can find out yourself as I will not state the obvious. JJ Reddick?
Come on Richie. Absolutely no comparison whatsoever.Oh, no one cares
that you had children attend the Y. It's a moot point don't you think? I have
two degrees from BYU--do you care? Rhetorical....JF would be a great
pick up as I truly believe he could answer our shooting woes & many other
The Jazz would be dumb to draft another PG ahead of Jimmer. None of them, even
Irving, are really any better than Harris. Similar types of players. I really
doubt any of them can be future superstars, maybe all-stars on the right
team.Jimmer outshoots all of the other PGs in the draft. Jimmer is
stronger than them. He's built like Deron Williams. One-on-one defense between
PGs is not an issue (if you understand NBA basketball). Only two or three can
effectively slow down the best "unstoppable" PGs. But, none of those
can shoot like Jimmer can.The Jazz should steer away from Kanter if
there is even the SLIGHTEST problem with his knees. He's too young to have ANY
joint issues at all. The Jazz lost too many hours in recent years to injuries to
draft a guy who might spend time off the floor. Also, he's not impressed me as a
franchise type.The ideal draft would be to pick Williams at 3 and
Jimmer at 12, but I doubt either will be there at those picks. So, it'll be a
mess to resolve. Trades might get done.
@Calgarydepth...if there is no Future for Fes and/or Memo...added
Height taller than sap by a few inches...plus...Im pulling for Brandon Knight or
Williams...if they chose Kanter...its really up to them...to be honest...we
could have a long debate about this...but in the end...on a very weak
draft...they'll probably get the next best thing...the only thing i worry about
kanter are his Knees...he'll be fine...better than Kosta will ever be...but
again... we are having this conversation because you compared him to Kosta...who
usually...takes his shots outside...kanter...gets it done inside the paint
@WhatsInItForMei beg to differ...Kyrie Irving is a pass first point
guard...and has a deadly jumper...if a defender goes under the screen...he'll
pull up if needed...also i would rather have a pass first PG...i like jimmer
dont get me wrong...but he is a combo guard...with a role much like Jamal
Crawford...and i dont think we'll be able to get a franchise player this
year...since its a very weak draft...much like the 2k draft...
Last night OKC totally fell apart when they lost Hardin. The MAVs double teamed
Durant and a 15 point lead turned into an overtime loss. The point
is that it only takes one player (in this case maybe the 3rd or 4th player as
you have to include Collison's defense)to make the difference between a
contender and a loser. Same was true for MEM only it was addition by
subtraction.The Jazz may need 2 players to contend. But they have 3
lotto picks and expiring contracts to remake the Jazz.Is Jimmer a
missing part or is there another player who could fill the need better? I think Knight will be a very good PG in the long run and he can shoot
outside. Further, his defense will be pretty good as he is both quick and long.
@Kakashi Kosta was doing it ( taking inside ) against same age kids even better,
25pts average in U18 tourney vs Kanters 18pts. Again, you missing the point,
Kanter has not played vs men at all and you think he is next Duncan. He is not,
he has very small ceiling due to lack of athletism.
I am so relieved that Enes Kanter is going to meet with the Jazz in June.
Sporting News radio had said he wanted to go to Washington (maybe because John
Wall, who payed at Kentucky, is on the Wizards. This draft has two good centers
in the 1st round who are Kanter and Jonas Valanciunas. The Jazz need a center
of the future and Kanter is skilled enough he can play along side of Favors or
Jefferson. Plus he can be mentored by Mehmet Okur in his own language and who
knows if Okur will ever be the same. Kanter is a no brainer at number 3
unless Derrick Williams or Kyrie Irving are gone.
Kanter is a no brainer? Not for the Jazz, we are loaded at the 4-5. He will ride
pine behind DF/PM/AJ/MO. Lets draft our biggest weakness.....guards!
Kevin scares me. The Jazz need guards and wings. I have the feeling that he is
about to draft another stiff as a big. It would be better to invest some money
in Fes rather than take another big from Europe. Get the Fes a private
trainer/coach and work with him over the next 5 months. Find his true potential
and teach him the game.Spend the two draft picks on outside scoring
or a defensive stopper. Both have higher priority than another big who can't
play. Favors and Al are better than anyone in this draft.Take the
Jimmer at the 3. Who cares if he doesn't work out. Do you really think Enes is
going to work out?
The Jazz will draft the best player available regardless of position.Two
examples come to mind of a team that failed to follow this strategy: In '84
Portland took Sam Bowie over MJ since they already had Jim Paxson and Clyde
Drexler. In 2007 they selected Greg Oden over Durrant because they already had
Brandon Roy. If Kanter is the best player we should draft him and
then worry about the logjam later. Fes doesn't need to be resigned and who knows
if Memo will ever really contribute again. We have a lot of players at the 4/5
but that combination of players didn't get us to the playoffs. Until we find a
set of players that lets us compete for a title no player should be considered
Okay, Jazz fans. Who excited you enough to follow the team all the time every
year? Not just a game here or there. What made you an ardent follower?Back in the day, it was the Stockton-to-Malone thing. Two superstars.
Exciting!Then there was a lull. AK became an all-star (due to the
void of talent).Then came along D-Will-to-Boozer, and we were
excited again (not so much for Booz, though). At least one superstar kept us
going.Now, who does the Jazz have on their team that excites you?I can't think of anyone. As much as I'm impressed with Hayward's future,
he's not the one who's going to excite me about following the Jazz.Enter The Jimmer. Tell me who in this year's draft is more exciting!Then I'll believe (if I agree--no ringers) and quit my Jimmer rant.Fat chance, though.The Combine surely didn't bring forth anyone
like that. Not even Enes or Irving or Williams.A polarizing player
like Jimmer is just what the Jazz need to keep fan interest high, not just
Statistically it is far safer to draft a PG than a Big with the first 8 picks.
The bigs get more risky the lower in the draft you go. Williams and
Kantor have more risk than Knight at 3. However the need for Williams is
greater. If you look at the stats that predict NBA performance
Jimmer is one of 5 PGs who are pretty good. Irving, Knight, Kemba, Jimmer and
Reggie Jackson. Irving and Knight are not Wall or Rose but they have a very high
probability of being a starter to maybe a super star. The other 3 should
eventually start with the right team. Jackson may be the best based on NCAA
predictors. Smith of Duke is another late first round PG who is solid. Again based on predictors the Morris twins, and Hamilton need to be looked
with the 12 pick. I do not see Burks at all. He is not a great shooter. He is a
slasher and his D is worse than Jimmer's is supposed to be. Vesely may be worth
the risk if available at 12.I think the Jazz go Williams and a PG if
they get the chance.
Look at the teams left in the playoffs. None of them have a dominate center who
is the star or one of the stars of the team. Wings and guards win championships
in today's NBA. Dirk may be 7 foot by he still plays outside most of the time
and Bosh loves shooting the jumpshot. If you want to win
championships, you win it by having scoring guards and 3's on your team.
@Calgaryi never said he was the next Duncan where are you getting
this? it makes me laugh so hard lol...kindly read my posts...my point is...you
cant compare Kosta with Kanter...both are different players...and you do know
that Kanter goes up against Jonas Valaciunas...a strong defender...they are
rivals in Europe...you cant compare two players who doesnt really have the same
game...like i've been saying you just cant compare Kosta to Kanter...plus they
will come in different situations...Kanter if drafted will get his
chance...Kosta never really got his chance under Sloan...i do however think that
we might grab Knight at the 3rd pick...you just dont bash on players and
comparing them to guys who really dont have the same game...you're probably one
of the guys who booed the Hayward pick last year...lol...
@CJ MilesI agree with you to a certain point...i think you'd still
want a guy that would hound the paint on the defensive end and will look to
rebound...not necessarily a scorer...Tyson Chandler...Udonis Haslem...when i saw
in Game 1 that Haslem played...i knew it would be trouble for Chicago in the
next games...Haslem could shoot the open jumper...hustle for looseballs and
rebounds...and a good rotation help defender...i think that's what we need...a
Big who will defend the paint with his life...hustle for looseballs...and
generally do all the dirty work...but i dont see that big on this
draft....probably biyombo...but we have too much PFs...
i went to a few sites and watch some more film on Knight...based on the pure
point rating and assist turnover ratio...Knight was at the bottom...i think he
is still transitioning to a point guard role since based from his
background...he was the start and end of all plays during HS...Enes
Kanter...dropped to 6th on Draftexpress..Jonas Valaciunas went up to 4...and
donatas drop to 12th...im not fond of Donatas...since he isnt much of a
defender...but he is a terrific offensive player...
i also have read some interesting things on jimmer...he is close to a steph
curry and a tad behind of deron williams...this was on the draftexpress site
but...this isnt about ability...its about his frame...but i think Singleton
deserves a crack at the 12...he might be the sf we need to replace the aging
@Kakashi... why we can't compare Kosta and Kanter? Both were bigger and stronger
then their age kids in U18 championships and both won MVP of those tourneys
except Kosta scored 7pts more per average then Kanter. Kosta was dominating
inside vs kids same like Kanter did. My point is you can't trust these big
South European kids as they mature fast, start dominating their age kids but
later fade and when faced with real men they start strugglin. Yeah who knows
what Kosta would have achieved if Sloan would have let him play. But you can't
tell that Kanter will be different then him as we have not a single game of
organized basketball example where he played vs real men. I want to see his shot
being blocked few times and see how that affects his confidence - Kosta sulked
and disappeared, I am afraid Kanter will be the same.
@Calgarythe difference is...their situation coming in...Kosta came
in...where in the lineup is pretty much set for jerry sloan...the rotation is
pretty much stable...so you must be incredibly good to impress him...to get a
crack at the lineup...Kanter comes in a stage where in...nothing is set in
stone...there could be a lot of changes within the team...and from his potential
and on the standpoint of management...he will get his shot...plus if you compare
them to the other competition...i mean...does Kosta have a Jonas Valaciunas to
compete against? No...Kanter has a rival...who is more adept defensively...and i
dont think its fair to judge Kanter by the performance of Kosta Koufos...totally
different persons...different personalities...different situations...plus its
still just the start...get back by June when he has his workouts in Utah...
@Kakashi and Jazz are not overloaded with PF? What minutes Kanter would get
here? We have Millsap,Favors, Okur, AK( if resigned) and Jefferson who all can
play PF. Throw in Evans as well and I do not see any reason for Jazz to draft
Kanter. Biggest Jazz need in the paint is not a post up game Kanter has, but
defensive rebounding and shot blocking. I just don't see him fitting here at
Jimmer is not worth throwing the 12th pick away for. Stockton and Malone were
both taken below 12. Jimmer is not either of these players. The Utah Jazz are
not a charity case. At least I hope they're not. Really ask yourself if a guy
that hasn't played any defense in college will magically play defense on the
professional level. I don't want the jazz to become another run and gun team I
want them to be a defensive team.
@calgarycontinuation of my previous post...even though
Enes Kanter doesnt play above the rim on defense...he is active on D...he moves
well...and goes to defensive rotations well...he is a better pick and roll
defender than Al Jefferson...there's more to playing Big Man D than block
shots....do you want a good example of this, a player who doesnt block a lot of
shots but plays good D?...Dennis Rodman...he doesnt block a lot of shots...but
he contains his man on the post...im not saying Kanter is Rodman...that's way
off...Rodman is a better defender...what im saying is...good D doesnt have to be
a block shot...i hope you understand that...if you've played at least High
School Ball...you should know that...
@Man in Chargewhen you say below is it lower than 12 or
higher?...because John Stockton was drafted 16...and Karl Malone was
13...and...if you are implying that because a guy like him doesnt deserve to be
drafted at 12 because John and Karl was drafted past the 12th pick...you do know
this is a very weak draft...and if Jimmer was the best at 12...why pass? im not
saying he is the best...but im saying...every prospect out there should be given
a fair shot...who knows...one of them could turn out pretty good...just be open
minded...instead of...dont draft this or dont draft that...why not say...they
should consider this...or that...that's more positive right?
@Calgarythey didnt post my first comment...they posted the
continuation...I know there is a logjam at the 4 and 5...that's why
the Jazz could explore a trade...if there isnt a trade...im sure they wont do
that...this is why on my other posts...i pulled for williams or Knight being
drafted...also...Enes Kanter's primary skill...that most scouts see in him...is
his rebounding...he crashes the boards...both on D and on the offense...if you
really watched film...you could've seen him grab a lot of offensive
rebounds...also...playing D doesnt mean you block shots....this is related to my
other post....just be open minded...review film...and enjoy the draft
process...we still wouldnt know...till the draft day itself...just review all
the talent available...come back after the June workouts...we might get more
info after that...
@Man in Charge--Do you understand just how WEAK a draft this is? After the top
two everything is a crap shoot. Comparing it to when Stock and Malone were
drafted is like comparing apples to oranges. Charity case? Not even worth
commenting. Oh, how many greats don't play D? You can teach Defense
but you can't teach pure talent when it coming to JF's range now can you....Do
you study the game? JF hardly makes the Jazz a run and gun game; not even close.
It opens up their offense and creates opportunities from beyond which we
desperately need you and not even you can argue that. Tell me a better shooter
in this very weak draft Man in Charge? I'm not saying JF should go #3 but he is
a legit #12 if available--IF...in this weak draft.....please stop the comparison
to Stock and Malone....point is not well taken....Go Jazz