Are we seriously going to have to deal with a Jimmer article every day until the
day the Jazz don't draft him?Cant wait for that day to come and
@JazzRuleThe best thing about the internet is you don't have to look
at these Jimmer articles everyday. Navigate away from Jimmermania if you
want.If we pick up Williams or Enes Kanter with the 3rd pick, expect
Jimmermania to be in full force. Jimmer will be on his way to the Jazz with the
12th pick. If we take Knight, then you won't have to deal with these pesky
articles that no one is forcing you to read.
There is a good possibility MIL takes him at 10. I am glad Jimmer made the
comparison to DWill. That was not an idle slip. There are a lot of similarities.
I watched Jimmer's interview. The right side (left brain) of his
face was happy, at ease and comfortable. The left (right brain) was the face of
a dead serious assassin. I would not under estimate Jimmer. Williams
has declared he is an SF not a PF. Kantor is not doing workouts. There is a
chance or at least some speculation that MN will not take Williams leaving him
for Utah. That would be Utah's best pick at 3. MN could use Kantor or Valaniunas
a lot more than they could use Williams. V can stay in Europe and
play during the lock out year and mature and get better. MN could use an up
grade at C badly. If the Jazz got Williams and Jimmer they would do
pretty well. If they got Knight and Leonard they would still do okay but I would
rather have Williams at SF. KOC seems focused on PGs who "can
turn the corner". There is more to it.I think
Williams shooting ability was more important than his average defensive ability.
His passing ability and basket ball knowledge made him a great PG but his
ability to hit 3 opened up the inside so Brewer could slash and the bigs could
operate. The Harris Kemba type PGs may be fast but they do not
assist a lot nor do they make the overall team better. The rest of the team is a
support to them and their inefficient shooting. DWill made the rest of the team
better and could bail them out with the long ball when needed. Jimmer is an excellent mid range shooter, he is going to be deadly in the pick
and pop. He can run the Jazz and make the rest of the team better. He also would
fit an inside out team like ORL or a fun and gun team. If Nash can run PHO,
Jimmer can run NY. I am not sure how well he fits MIL. However,
Walsh loves Faried not Jimmer. I am waiting to see Jimmer's combine
stats. His interview suggests he is pretty confident of his lateral quickness,
agility and sprint results. I think he moves up.
@JazzRule - go take a nap till June 23rd. If he becomes a Jazz, then don't read
anymore on DN. I will come to the game upcoming season for the first
time if Jazz take him.
I say let the poor guy escape Utah....
to those bashing the dude...give him some credit...he lifted his team on his
shoulders...you dont want to eat your words if he falls to another team and
torched us for 20 or 30 pts....
I agree that the Jazz will probably take Williams or Kanter with the third pick,
although I would still like them to select Irving if he is available. I think
that Knight, Walker, Burks and Jimmer might be gone by pick #12, especially if
Jimmer and Burks do well at the combine. I think KOC should try and move up from
#12 to at least #10 with some kind of trade.
Geez, Lebron James praising Jimmer?! That is seriously cool!
Most pundits feel Irving and Willams are the top 2 picks in the draft. The
Timberwolves may not need Williams because of Beasley, but that doesn't
necessarily mean he'll fall to the Jazz. They could trade the pick. If for some
reason they (or CLE) don't draft him, KOC would be dense not to take him. If they don't get a chance on Williams, I see them taking Brandon Knight
over Kantor. Either way, if the Jazz are not interested in Jimmer at
the 3, my guess is he will be unavailable at the 12. Someone's front office is
going to roll the dice on him. So, as cool as it would be, I see Jimmer in a uni
other than the Jazz.
Scalman, Burks declined to participate in the shooting drills for good reason,
he can't shoot, not what the Jazz need.
If the reasoning is to take him and tank the season to hopefully get sullinger
next year, not a bad idea.
If Williams falls to us that's a no-brainer pick. If he dorsnt than Knight would
be the logical pick there. If we get Williams than Jimmer is a possibility. If
we get Knight than Jimmer wouldn't be a logical pick at 12. But if there isn't
anyone there at 12 that KOC has ahead of Jimmer on their board than I could see
them taking Jimmer, and have those 2 battle it out in camp for the backup role
to Harris, and eventually take over when Harris contract is up. Shooters are a premium in this league you could never have enough
Dude, why all the hate??? I'm a true blue Aggie fan all the way! But you have
to give a guy credit regardless of what school program he went to. I watched
Jimmer at the combine yesterday (along with some of the other hopefuls) I think
he shined. His shot from NBA three looks effortless. It looks like he's taking
a 5 ft jumper. He much stronger and athletic than most give him credit for.
Buggoff is absolutely right that many other teams are salivating. Deadly 3 pt
shot, 90% free throws. Hopefully the Jazz will depart from some of the old
plays, (4 C, 4 C down) etc., and open up the offense for more 3pt. plays. If so
he's a dead lock for the Jazz. However he might not be available at 12. If
he's not Alec Burks/Singleton look like a good fit. Kanter did work out at the
combine yesterday, he's gonna be a beast down low. I hope Fez, get another
chance with Utah, as he could be that force down low. (he needs a lot of help
though) Things are looking up. Any thoughts?
When I first watched Jimmer play,his game reminded me of Deron Williams game,
same build, deadly cross-over, can create off the dribble and finish and get to
the line. I have heard several NBA players praise Jimmers game, all
of them think that he will do great at the next level. He won't see as many
double teams, so expect a lot of open looks.If Jimmers career is
going to be like D-Will's, the Jazz should draft him 3rd over all, just to make
sure we get him. Everyone says that this draft is weak, so it would not be a
stretch to draft the best and most highly decorated college player in Jimmer.
There will be plenty of talent available at the 12 spot to bring a
guy in that can help our bench production and possibly challenge for a starting
spot. My opinion on Jimmer is strictly based on his resume, I could
care less about his color of skin, religion or what school he went to. His
resume is exactly what this Jazz team needs.Draft well, go Jazz!
Who knows what will happen, and if Jimmer will go to a team where he will
thrive. But this much is sure, the Jazz system was Jerry Sloan's system, and
Sloan is not there any more.
I am a long time BYU fan and enjoyed the run BYU had in the tournament. I also
enjoyed watching Jim Freddette play ball. He was exciting to watch. I think
Jimmer has a lot of talent and shows alot of potential in becoming and
outstanding basketball player. He may not have shown much in way of defense
during his college playing days, but I think he has the talent to develope into
a solid defender in the NBA. I hope the Jazz pick him up but if not he will do
very well with the team that picks him in the draft.
If the Jazz go Kantor then Millsap will have to move to SF in the next 2 years.
Millsap could drop 20 pounds, he will improve his range and outside shooting,
but I do not think he has the foot speed to become King James2. Millsap's 82games stats at SF are horrible. On the other hand,
Millsap could be traded and the Jazz would have a front line rotation of
AJ,Favors and Kantor. That is formidable. I like Knight but he turns
the ball over badly and his decision making and court vision/understanding is
still developing. You are drafting potential at 3. If Jimmer does
really well at the combine GS or MIL will take him before the Jazz draft. I can live with the Jazz taking another good player at 12 (not Burks or
Walker) but I think Jimmer could really help the Jazz in the long run. His
approach to the game, work ethic and his understanding of how to attack defenses
are worth more than his shooting ability. The total package is going
to be very good in two years.
Those bashing Fredette are probably the same ones bashing Hayward last year.
They just like having negative things to say. As far as I can tell,
Fredette is the only guard in the draft who will have no problems adjusting to
the NBA range 3-point line. All the other guards are drive and dish kinds who
can finish well at the rim. Even Irving does not appear to have great range.
When I look at it that way, I wonder why people think we need to replace Devin
Harris. He is a proven guard in this league, and an all-star caliber PG when he
is on a decent team. If we have any chance to take Derrick Williams at 3, we
should do it, then take Fredette at 12.
I could honestly see Fredette going before the 12th pick. I hope not. I think
the Jazz will take a chance on him if he is available at 12--they want players
that are happy to stay w/ the jazz. The last thing they want is to draft another
star player who wants out f the organization after a year or two. (ie D. Will).
Jimmer is the type of player who would definitely stick in Utah.
He's got a long way to go to prove he can defend. Virtually all the experts
commenting on him have pinted that out and the games I saw him play in he got
beat by his man multiple times on defense. Jackson Emery saved his bacon soooo
many times. He's a point guard with Carlos Boozer mentality.
There is a real arguement to be made for taking Jimmer at number 12--I
personally don't think it is worth the risk but that's just me. I can see how
others may feel the 12th pick is a justified gamble-- but you lose all
credibility when you start suggesting he should be taken with the number 3
pick...that is just not a realistic option.
Much has been said about the unknowns about Jimmer's defense. I'm not worried
about that at all. It's much easier to develop defense than offense at this
level. In the NBA, just like you can't coach height, you really can't coach
shooting, and Jimmer needs no coaching in this area. What a bargain he would be
for the Jazz at number 12.
If Jimmer is available at the twelve, I think the Jazz should take him. Here's
why:-the Jazz need someone that can shoot the three, Fredette can. Worst
case scenario, I see Jimmer hanging around the league four or five years based
on that skill alone. There's a place for the Kyle Korvers and Fred Hoibergs in
the NBA.-He wouldn't hate Utah. Let's face it, how many NBA players
would actually prefer Salt Lake over other NBA cities? Why draft someone who is
going to be gone in two years?-The 12th pick is not going to be an
all-star. As I look over the 12th pick for the last twenty years, I see names
like Greg Anthony, Austin Croshere, Vladimir Ramanovich. Maybe decent players,
but who would say that Jimmer doesn't at least have the potential to be better
than all of them? Taking him at twelve really isn't a gamble.
@ BugoffI enjoyed and mostly agree with your comments here today.
Maybe we can make a trade with the 12 pick to move up enough to make sure we can
get Fredette. We could take him with the 3rd pick, but I would hate to pass up a
chance to get Williams. Fredette can flat out shoot the basketball and as you
pointed out thats not all he brings to the table. I do like Knight but I'm
wondering if Fredette doesn't have more of what we need.
I'm struggling with who to listen to - Kevin Durant and LeBron James think
Jimmer's a great player and will do great in the NBA, but Chris B doesn't think
so. Maybe Chris B knows something that Kevin, LeBron don't know?Come on CB . . . let your hatred of everything "BYU" go, and accept
the fact that Jimmer's a great player.
As a Ute this pains me, but at this point the Jazz would be foolish not to draft
JF, if he is available at #12. My rationale for this is simple. First, KOC
seems goofy sometimes, but he's nobody's fool. I booed louder than anyone when
he took Hayward last year and thus far I am eating crow. I think he and the
Jazz mgmt. realize that if JF is available at twelve, and the Jazz don't take
him, they'll never hear the end of it; especially if JF turns out to be more
than serviceable. Moreover, I think the Jazz could reap huge
amounts of $ with all of the money they'd rake in off of jersey sales, although
JF would have to change his number, because #32 happens to belong to a HOF
statue out in front of ESA. Hey, JF could change to #8 since that one is
available and many folks already own that #. Lol.In any case, no
way out of this for Jazz mgmt., but to draft him, if available. If he turns out
to be a bust, mgmt. could wash their hands and tell fans: 'You wanted him.'
The Jazz moving up from 6th to 3rd might cost them a chance at Jimmer.They might have picked him at 6th because by then all of the worthy bigs would
have been gone.But now, it'll be tough for the Jazz to pass up a
talented big at 3. They can only hope Jimmer isn't picked by the 12th.Maybe make a trade to get higher than 12th for that second pick?Maybe Jimmer can dumb down his efforts at the combine to dissuade other teams
from picking him.I'm sure the Jazz know exactly what they'll get in
Jimmer. They've seen him in person in "real" games often enough.I wish his defensive efforts at the combine could have been seen on TV.
Apparently they'd rather show shots of guys standing around while they talk
about them rather than let you see the action on the floor.Jimmer
thought he did well defensively. I don't think he's wearing blinders. He
understands when he's doing well or not.
If LeBron James thinks Jimmer is great at making plays off the bounce, maybe
some of the so-called experts ought to open their eyes a little wider.All this talk of taking Knight over Jimmer is silly. The Jazz already have a
Brandon-type PG in Harris.The Jazz need a D-Will type (Jimmer).The real question: Is it guaranteed that any of the bigs available at 3
will make a bigger impact on the Jazz future than Jimmer might? If not, draft
Jimmer at 3 and trade or go free-agency for more bigs.If you're
drafting a big at 3 just because he's the best available in the draft, then
that's dumb. It's not that good of a draft. Pickin's are slim.This
Jazz franchise needs a superstar, and none of the bigs available strike me as
that. Jimmer, on the other hand, could be another D-Will with greater range and
more of a propensity for getting assists.
First off, Jimmer will not be available by the 12th pick. The Jazz
are not going to draft him because they don't see him worth the 3rd pick unless
they see him being the point of the future to replace Dwill.At this
point looking at those in the draft, I would take Jimmer with the 3rd pick and
take my chance. Enes is a bigger risk than Jimmer. The Jazz need outside
shooting worse than anything else on the team. Why would you not take the best
shooter/scorer in the draft at #3? All year long that's all you guys complained
about was the outside shooting and now you want them to draft a useless big
I used to like Jimmer Fredette way back when we could talk about him as a
basketball player. Now people become violently offended if you're not all about
"the Jimmer." Heck, we now even have people saying they'd go to their
first Jazz game if they drafted Jimmer.I finally figured out the
perfect comparison for Jimmer Fredette--Jason Williams (U of Florida). Both
players can create their own shot and shoot lights out, often with crazy stuff.
Both players are great passers, though their teammates often have no idea what
they're going to do. Both players are pretty bad at defense. Similar to Jason
Williams, I imaging Jimmer will make a living in the NBA.
Taking Jimmer at 3 is crazy. He will have a relatively smooth transition into
the NBA game, but will not have the impact on the team as a Williams or Kanter.
Those are the no brainer picks at 3. The Jazz need a 1 or 2 guard but there
aren't as many good guards as bigs in this draft. Take Williams or Kanter which
ever is available and then pick up a guard at 12. I think that a deadly shooter
like Jimmer would be perfect at 12, but he's not the only one with range in the
For those of you who are still harping on Jimmer's lack of defense, get over it.
We don't know about his defense because Rose couldn't afford for him to play
defense at BYU. Jimmer had NO supporting cast, no one to pick up the scoring
slack if he ended up on the bench in foul trouble. I saw him play for the first
time at the MWC tournament. The first game I saw, I knew right then that BYU
being ranked 3rd in the country was a fluke. But as I watched Jimmer, (being
the BYU hater that I am) I had to pick my jaw up off of my lap several times!
He is a player for sure. How he does in the NBA will depend on the team he ends
up with and the coaching staff. I say we for sure take Williams if he's
available and I wouldn't be upset if we ended up with Jimmer.
Contrary to many posters, I am not a big fan of picking Knight with the 3rd
pick, even if DWilliams is gone.Instead, assuming that the Cavs
draft Irving #1, they will need to drop one of their PGs and what I think the
Jazz should do is trade either Bell (preferably) or sign and trade CJ for Ramon
Sessions. We would then have two 6'3" above average, proven PGs.If DWilliams available at #3, then obviously pick him as we have the need.
Then draft Marshon Brooks at #12. If Williams is not available, one
option is to draft Kanter with hope of replacing Okur or even Milsap. And then
Brooks at #12.Alternatively, if Williams not available, and Kanter
doesn't look like a good fit/too many concerns, then trade the #3 pick to
Charlotte for their #9 and #19 and draft Chris Singleton and Marshon Brooks-
these guys look like they are going to be impact players in the years to come.
I think this whole draft thing is somewhat of a crapshoot. I honestly don't
think Irving is better than Jimmer. I could make an argument that Jimmer is a
better pick at number 1 than Irving.There are a couple other players
I think are better than Irving. I think Marshon Brooks might be a superstar at
the next level. He's 6'5" SG who can score from anywhere on the court. He
has a 7'1" wingspan, great shooting, great ball handling, can create his
own shot, decent defender, blocks shots etc... The first thought when I saw him
was Kobe Bryant and not 30 seconds later, the announcer mentioned the same
thing. This kid could be an incredible NBA player. If he was a Kentucky player
he would be 1st to go.I wouldn't be upset if the Jazz took Jimmer
with the 3rd pick and Brooks with the 12th pick. This draft is more of a crap
shoot than others in recent memory. Also Jazz are not afraid of reaching just a
bit. Look at Hayward last year. Most had him as a late 1st rounder and Jazz took
Jimmer is the Cole Aldrich of last years draft. I'm glad we didn't pick him.
If the Jazz have Jimmer at the top of their draft board, and think there is a
chance he will be gone at 12, they might take him at 3 because I think they are
one team that will not be swayed by hype. I think Irving is Hype. He was never
double or triple teamed like Jimmer was. Look at the stats. Who would you
take?Kyrie Irving - 17.5pts4.3assits.4623pt3.4reb.0.5blk1.5stlJimmer Fredette - 28.9pts4.3assists.3963pt3.4reb0blk1.3stlMarshon Brooks
- 24.6pts2.5assists.3403pt7reb1.2blk1.5stlBecause Marshon brooks is
a senior and from a small school, he is slated to go late in the first round. I
have determined that these scouts are crazy.
Anybody else see the tweet that says Kanter blew off the Jazz interview? Quality
There is not real size in this draft. Kantor wants to be drafted by
the Wiz. Kahn may draft another PG. MN hates Flynn and getting Rubio to come in
a lockout year looks pretty iffy to me. At one time Bell was
supposed to be traded for Flynn. KOC's bias at PG worries me more than some of
Sloan's biases. Like KOC I want a PG who can turn the corner, but I also want
efficiency, 3 point shooting and adequate defense. There is a chance
MN (if they don't trade) will take Knight at 2 (assuming they can't get Rubio).
Kantor is about the only real big in the combine lotto. The rest
including Williams are shorter than advertised (combine stats). Kemba is a little taller than thought. I am most worried about his volume
shooting. MIL has an interest in Burks. I am starting to warm up to
Leonard but also think Jimmer will do well with Utah, LA, ORL or a fun and gun
team. Jimmer would do well on a triangle team where PG skills are less important
and shooting is a premium. The top 10 are shifting.
If Jimmer can put fans in the seats, then it is worth the pick.
Jimmer may move up some as expected but I am not sure how much he moves up above
12 if any. There are players below him who are also moving up. The
Jazz will have their pick of Williams, Knight, Valaniunas, Kanter and Vesley at
3. Given KOC's biases at PG Kemba has to be added to that list. Williams and Vesley fill a need. Vlaniunas and Kanter make the Jazz bigger and
eventually move Millsap to SF or get him traded. Knight and Kemba are a move to
replace Harris. Since KOC is usually very quiet about what he is up
to I would not be surprised if he did the unexpected with the 3 pick. The Jazz need shooting, size and defense. This draft is limited. They have
lots of options in trades, free agency and wheeling in the draft. I
do not see one player in this draft who is a make or break for the Jazz. There
are a lot who can help them improve, win or fix salary problems. Kantor can shoot from the outside. He is a replacement for Okur. One other thought follows.
If the owners actually get a hard salary cap it changes the financial situation
of the Euros. The $ is weak. Many Euros will play over there during
the lock out. Many Euros who would come to the NBA will not come over since they
can get better money (with a hard cap in the NBA) in Europe. Rubio
etc. May never come over. He would be nuts to sign with MN until after the new
CBA. He may be nuts after the new CBA.Vesley and Valanuinas become
more problematic to bring over under the new CBA. That may drop them and other
internationals like Biyombo. This draft is going to be interesting.
Expect some shifts in the leader board as the work outs progress.
I agree with JazzFanMontana that Marshon Brooks is one to watch- 2nd in the
nation in scoring on a bad team in the Big East where the defense was focused on
him! Plus, ridiculous measurements. I like Jimmer, but this guy has more
upside as a SG.Another trade scenario if the Jazz don't want Kanter
and DWilliams is gone-Trade #3 pick and Okur to Wizards for #6 and
Blatche- for those who are uber nba trade smart would this be approved? I would
take McGee straight up, but I don't think Wizards would do that.Pick
up Brooks and Singleton with the #6 and #12 and you have a pretty good backup
center, albiet overpriced, in Blatche. I would still trade Bell for Sessions to
round things out.LineupHarris/Sessions/FA Combo GuardCJ/Brooks/Hayward/Singleton/FAMillsap/Favors/EvansAJ/Blatche/FAA much better team than end of last year. Moreover,
salary for signed players would only be less than $55M leaving some room for FA
Most experts are saying this is a weak draft which gives Jimmer a great
opportunity to move up, if he can show some defense. In a lot of games this
season he would barely even raise his hands above his waste and played 5 or 6
feet off his man most of the time. That allowed a lot of players to blow right
by him. He seemed disineterested in defense, but when BYU had the ball he would
constantly call for it. I think an attitude adjustment is in order. He has the
ability to play defense he just needs to actually do it. A point guard who
doesn't defend isn't going to be worth much in the NBA.
Kanter refused to meet with the Jazz, so that's done. No Seikaly Jr's please;
in fact, no Euros ever, please. Brandon Knight is a toothpick, and LOL at UK
listing him at 6'4".Kawhi Leonard, 6'6" W/O shoes,
7'3" wingspan, loves to play defense, hardest working guy in the Vegas
pre-combine gym.As for Jimmer the midget, LOL. His measurements
were much smaller than anticipated. And he's a terrible fit for where the Jazz
are now. He'd be perfect for the run/gun/no D Knicks, or the shoot wide open
3's from LBJ & DWade kickouts Heat.Chris Singleton at 12 along
with Leonard at 3 are a pair of nice building blocks, glue guys. Don't try to
hit homers out of the Grand Canyon. A couple solid line drive singles is fine
in this barren draft; maybe leg one out into a double.CJ/Bug, we
need defense, length, athleticism & toughness more than anything else.
Leonard & Singleton are the guys.LAJF, Okur for Blatche does not
work. Wiz would have to include Evans. Wiz prolly do it for Kanter, if
Leonard's at 6, fine by me.
@BillM75, I know that Okur for Blatche does not work straight across (such as
during season trade), but what is the #3 pick worth? There has to be some
offset there and perhaps with a trade exception thrown in it would work.You propose drafting 2 SFs. Does that mean moving Hayward over to SG
(w/Bell) and not signing CJ? Will the young guys all start from the beginning?
Haven't seen stats yet, but Jimmer did NOT look slow in the 3/4 court run, nor
in the 4-pole agility test. In fact, Kemba looked slower and oddly herky-jerky
in that agility test. Weird.Does anyone know where all those stats
they were measuring today can be found? The TV commentators were lamenting not
getting them. Maybe they won't get published?
With Kanter dissing Utah i'm back to Veseley, with his 40" vertical at
6'11" and the quickness to defend the 3 spot he's a freak of nature. Sorry
BillM I like Singleton but the worst mistake the Jazz could make would be to
draft 2 guys that can't make 3's, their one of the worst perimeter shooting
teams in the NBA as it is.
Reports are coming in that Kanter is not dodging Jazz. They just rescheduled for
June 2 so the Jazz could spend most of the day with him for interveiws and work
Jazz won't pick Jimmer. They have a long standing approach of not taking a
"hometown guy" unless they are 100% sure that the guy will be a
successful NBA starter. They've said a hundred times that taking the local guy
only puts undue pressure on him and on the team to play him. Once a local has
been in the NBA for a while and establishes himself for who and what he is, then
the Jazz feel better about acquiring him (see Tom Chambers, Fred Roberts, Jeff
Judkins, Pace Mannion etc etc etc). Can't really blame them, I am sure there
are people who beleive that Jimmer should start on any team in the NBA and there
are people who think he shouldn't even be in the NBA. Both groups attend Jazz
If utah does have a chance to take Jimmer and we don't. I can't wait for all the
nay sayers to hate utah for not taking this kid when he tears it up in this
league. All you doubters Chris B and company (ute fans in general) who think
they know so much about a player or the game itself. Just listen to his
peers.Lebron James, Kyrie Irving, Chris Paul, D-Will and many
more,OR Chris B, Hedgie, and the other utah haters. (you figure it out)Ute fans quit hating, he won't destroy your beloved Utes anymore. (just
enjoy the nightmares he gave you for the rest of your lifes).
If they plan on passing on Jimmer at #12 I think they should trade it down and
try to come up with 2 later picks, I love the upside on Noguera. Jeremy Tyler
and Marcus Morris impressed me at the combine and but don't think they would use
the #12 pick for any of them. I hope though that Derrik Williams
slides to the 3.
Marshon Brooks not Marcus Morris
I still think the number 1 need of the Jazz is outside shooting. CJ should be a
slasher, not a 3 point shooter. After the outside scoring, it would be interior
defense. With Favors and Jefferson, there is plenty of length. If Jefferson
would commit to play defense, there is no neeed for drafting big with Memo
coming back. Pick up a big in free agency if there is a future need. Don't
forget that Memo is supposed to be back next year.They could draft
big at the #3 spot and trade away their #3 pick for a proven shooter after the
draft. They could package Bell and the draft picks for a shooter. They have
lots of options.
CJ Miles | 4:41 p.m. May 20, 2011Dallas, TXI still think the number
1 need of the Jazz is outside shooting. CJ should be a slasher, not a 3 point
shooter. After the outside scoring, it would be interior defense. With Favors
and Jefferson, there is plenty of length. If Jefferson would commit to play
defense, there is no neeed for drafting big with Memo coming back. Pick up a big
in free agency if there is a future need. Don't forget that Memo is supposed to
be back next year.They could draft big at the #3 spot and trade away
their #3 pick for a proven shooter after the draft. They could package Bell and
the draft picks for a shooter. They have lots of options. WOW I
agree with you on this. I hope that is the last time that happens LOL
Miles; I don't think we can count on Okur at all, it will surprise me if he can
come back and be a major contributor. BRuss: I hope your right, I really
like Kanter, we need more size and especially when that size has so much
offensive ability and is such a good rebounder. If we took Kanter, we could then
look to move Big Al and see what we could get for him, he should bring a or a
couple of quality players. Big Al is good, but he also is a poor defender and
that was one of our biggest weaknesses. At the 12 spot, Thompson may not be too
bad, he is a good shooter and he is long. I'm sure KOC and staff will research
things thoroughly.I like either Kanter or Williams at the 3, (if Kanter
isn't a dogger), Williams is very athletic and wants to play the 3, I think he
can and he would be just what we need.
The biggest immediate improvement for the Jazz' outside shooting would be for CJ
to never take an outside shot again.I'm going to be very pessimistic
about Memo. He was supposed to be ready to go and his back went out almost
immediately and his Achilles turned out to be not so ready after all. Terrible
mistake by the Jazz.If the Jazz took Leonard (8'10" reach! and
5.4% bodyfat, or about half of CJ's %) and Singleton (a bit taller than Hayward,
but not as long the freaky Leonard; 36.8% on 3's, or about double CJ's %), I
would rotate them with Hayward depending on the matchups, as both Gordon &
Leonard can play the 2-3.I'd pass on CJ's option, keep Raja for dire
emergencies unless he can be dumped in a trade, and re-sign AK for cheap, which
dumping CJ would help with.Well anyway, fun to argue about, have to
see what happens. Leonard's workout video was very impressive tho I can't link
it, but it's embedded on a major draft preview site.
Ute fans think they know everything about Jimmer and how he won't succeed here,
because Utah use to be good in the 90s.
Draft Jimmer if available @ 12 and stick him in Orem with the Flash.. fill the
stands down there and give him a couple years. Then make the decision based on
his defense and team work he shows. That way Corbin won't be harassed and forced
to listen to 5,000 BYU die hard fans from the cheap seats yelling JIMMER ,
JIMMER every time he makes a substition.
I think there is a chance Williams will be available at 3. MN may have to draft
a PG. They want to move Flynn and they are not likely to get Rubio to commit
before the hard cap CBA is clear. If they can't get Williams at 3
they have to take a serious look at Vesley. AK will get strong interest from NJ
and will probably play in Russia during the lock out. The Jazz can't count on AK
being back. Hayward and CJ could cover the SF for a year but they are both
better at SG. For the Jazz to draft Vesley they would have to know
for sure he would come. The Jazz have a lot of good options at 12.
12 will play out on draft day.
BillM75: Defense is nice but you also need to be able to score points to win if
the Jazz take a SF it needs to be Williams, Veseley or Brooks. Small forward is
a position that needs to supply offense. Singleton I could live with at the 12th
pick since he has the versatility to defend 4 positions but Leonard is a tweener
with no outside shot. It makes absolutely no sense to draft 2 small forwards
anyway. If you are so in love with SF's that play defense and can't shoot AK
wants to stay with the Jazz.
This is going to kill me to say this, however, the Jazz do need an outside
threat to open it up for the bigs inside. I'm closing my eyes and typing this.
Mom, don't read this.Pick Jimmer #3 and then do some heavy trading for a
big and get rid of the guys who ride the bench or is past their prime or always
hurt.Can I open my eyes yet. Nope, but I'm sending it anyways.
I certainoy hope the jazz don't waste the 12 pick on jimmer. If they want to
trade down to about 20 and draft him I'm fine with that but how many 6'2"
shooters have made it the NBA with as little athleticism as Freddette? Steve
Kerr is 6 4, but he is the only person can think of in recent history. It took
JJ Redick, a taller, more athletic version of Freddette about 6 years to figure
it out in the NBA. We already have Hayward, CJ, & Bell under contract. As a
Ute fan even I got caught up in jimmermania, but let's not be stupid, he's not
worth the 12th pick. Jazz brass had better be able to recognize that.I'd love to see us package our 2nd and 12 pick together and get that cat out
of Arizona to eventually put CJ back in his 6th man role.
Can't think of anything Sweeter than the Unanimous National College Player of
the Year, from the Brigham Young University Cougars, taking up residence in the
Hometown of the Utah Utes.Lest they should ever forget!
I sincerely hope Fredette doesn't come to the Jazz. It's not that he can't be
really good, it's just that I believe there will be better options for us at
#12. I really like another ex-Cougar by the name of Klay Thompson, who I believe
to be as good a shooter, but is better all-around. If Klay had played at BYU
instead of Jimmer, rest assured his offensive stats would have been comparable.
@Salt lake teams stink: It's obvious how bad you hate anything connected to BYU
but JJ Redick more athletic than Jimmer? You've outdone yourself, and need to
get a life.
I like Jimmer,Klay Thompson,Marshon Brooks or Chris Singleton.Jordon Hamilton
could also be a possibility with the #12 pick. I'm sure things could change by
draft day but as of now these are the guy's I have honed in on for our 2nd pick
in the first round. The #3 pick looks like Williams or Kantor with Knight A
distant 3rd possibility.
It is amazing to me that just because someone has the OPINION that Jimmer is not
the best fit for the Jazz that they are instantly labeled as Evil and as BYU
& Jimmer haters. Time and time again the best college players do not have
success in the NBA. Just because people may feel that Jimmer is not the best
player for the Jazz does not mean that they hate him!!
Judkins got Majeras to do the same thing with Keith Van Horn. He convinced
Majeras to let Van Hirn focus on offense & not play as much D. The UTES had
Miller, Doleac, Hansen, & Jensen, all great defensive college players to
pick up the slack. That hurt Van Horn once he got to the NBA. Even though Van
Horn was tall, since he did not practice any D in college, he was unable to
catch up at the NBA level and learn how to play defense. Rose did he same with
Jimmer, & I think it will hurt him. No doubt Jimmer is an amazing scorer,
with unlimited range, but if he can't guard the quicker PG in the league, he
won't be onthe court for too long, & will only be in when other back ups are
in. If Jimmer learns to play D, he could be a good player for a long time.
That's a big if though. If the Jazz take him at 12, fans can't be too upset. He
would be no worse than Korver was. Except his little fro. The women folk won't
like him as much. Or make him PB&J