The editorial stresses the needs of UTAH students yet the #1 educator of UTAH
students is left with crumbs: UVU. More students from this state go to UVU than
any other university in Utah (sheer numbers). Yet, UVU is at the bottom of all
funding per student in the state. Time to be equitable!
Two things: (1) The average university president stays for about 5
years. That's just how it is. It's not a question of stepping stones. Even the
Ivy Leagues don't hold on to presidents for very long. (2) Research
is an advantage, not an obstacle. Students at the U can get hands on research
experience that is often worth more than classroom experience. Also, students at
the U are taught be people who are active in their fields - people who are
genuine experts. That is not always the case at schools without a research
emphasis. The trend at all schools (even student centered liberal arts colleges)
is to increase research programs in order to give students more exposure to how
knowledge is actually gained.
Taking longer than four years - sacrilege.When I went to the Y they
had a rule limiting the number of credit hours you could take per semester. I
found a way around that, which was to wait until the semester had been going for
a week and then ask the professor to be allowed to take HIS class. I averaged
credit hours for only six semesters, took a couple of courses by home study.
Voila a degree in six semesters.I was in a hurry. Hire a good
administrator with academic credentials and turn him loose.
Talk about a poorly written editorial. Are you seriously trying to compare
graduation rates for a student body that includes around 50% Mormons with other
Pac-12 schools? How many of these LDS students go on two year missions, delaying
their graduation...likely a large percentage.Then you turn around
and want to make Utah another BYU, simply turning out undergraduates, never mind
BYU has the same graduation rate issues.Your linking of student
loans with research is indefensible. Too often students incur great expense for
degrees that have limited commercial value. Student financial habits often
compound this undisciplined spending.With a little digging you'll
likely find that research funding attracts talented teachers, resulting in
better prepared graduates. Technical degrees that are heavily involved in
research are typically among the highest paying for undergraduates. At the same
time most students are unwilling to pursue these more difficult studies. Plus
there is this concept called supply vs. demand. Maybe you should
conduct some research prior to making such unfounded claims.
@fanUVUCan you back that up? As far as I know, UVU is the most
funded university in the state by legislative funds at over 50% of operating
budget, while the U is only funded at 8% of operating budget.I think
the legislature is doing more than its share to educate students at UVU. I find
it interesting that over 50% of the taxes I pay that go into funding higher
education go to students at UVU, all while my education at the U is only funded
at 8%. Thank your fellow U students like me who are working and going to school
for also helping to fund your education, while UVU students doing the same
barely help us out.Equality?
What a galactic waste of ink.
The University of Utah is the biggest economic engine in the State creating
thousands of new high paying jobs every year through research and spin offs
equal now to MIT yet it is the most underfunded university in the State in
contrast to what fanUVU believes. The legislature generally loves the flagship
school but doesn't send much money its way. Creating jobs, that is the best
thing for students, who need to find jobs after they graduate.
What the UofU needs is a president (and board of regents and trustees) and other
leaders who will obey the laws of the State of Utah, respect our culture, and
focus on educating students and doing research rather than waging political and
legal battles attempting to disarm (or at least inconvenience) law abiding
adults.How much money, time, energy, and political/civic good will
did President Machen waste trying to ban guns from the UoU campus? How many
problems have their been at the U because he failed to ban guns? Sadly, President Young kept up that Quixotic effort even after it was clear he
could not ban guns by trying to force gun owners "into the closet" as
it were by trying to ban guns that are carried lawfully, not hidden from view.
Again, how many real problems have their been because a few adults don't
completely hide their lawful self-defense firearms from all possible view?The UoU, and every other University worthy to be called such should
concern itself with education and academic research. They should not be, nor
fancy themselves, instruments of political or social change. Respect Utah law and culture.
Pretty shallow analysis. The flagship university in the state should not be
turned into a graduate-the-masses mill. Of course educating Utah's students is
an important mission, but there are other important missions, like generating
research that benefits the quality of life of residents, give's practical
hands-on experience, attracts better professors, and spins off business. Taking
this editorial to it's logical extreme, most graduate degrees wouldn't fit the
DNews' goals for the U. The medical school wouldn't fit the profile. Utah's
system of higher education should concern itself with providing as much
meaningful educational opportunities for residents as possible, but within a
system of higher learning institutions, a myopic focus on maximizing graduation
at the flagship institution does more harm than good. And it's more than a
little rich for the DNews (church owned) to mock Utah's move to the PAC10 in
drawing a negative comparison to PAC10 graduation rates when one significant
factor (LDS missions) driving those numbers also drives down BYU's (church
@utesovertide and Dutchman- One of the things we are taught at UVU is to do our
research before stating our position. According to the Utah Higher Ed website
under the Commissioner's Office tab followed by the Research and Data tab
followed by the 2011 Data Book Tab H link. UVU is funded by state tax dollars
at 44% while the UofU gets 55% of its funding from that same source. At the U,
it costs $13,797 to educate each student each year of which $7,629 comes from
the tax payer. At UVU it costs $7,184 with $3,161 coming from the tax payer
(these are 2009-10 numbers, the most recent available on that site). These are numbers straight from USHE's website. Now, can you back up your
@everyoneGive fanUVU a break...he/she was probably educated there!
@JFFR - if you are so clever and so inclined to minimize the value of an
education at UVU, please provide data to indicate that fanUVU said something
that was in error. I have provided real data regarding the situation with a
source. Do you have anything other than self righteous wit?
Graduation rates/year are bogus in Utah (at all institutions). As has been
pointed out, many students in our institutions of higher learning serve
missions. So many of our students 6 years to graduation involves being on campus
4 years. So educationally our 6 year rates = others 4 year rates for many
students. Shame on you DNews for not pointing this out.
The U needs to better use the money is spends on buildings and facilities. They
spend twice as much for things than UVU does and in some cases 3 times as much
as Snow College, and then the U claims they don't have the money to fix the
The key to success for a university, whether public or private, is largely based
on financial support. The Univ of Utah is not an Ivy League school with a
massive endowment. We therefore need a president (in my opinion, like Michael
Young) who will look realistically at the big picture. We need to heavily fund
both research and athletics, and hope and work for advancements in both.
Development of these programs attract attention, dollars, and better faculty.
This results in a better education for everyone involved. When faculty win
national and international awards, make ground-breaking advancements, and are
featured in well respected publications, they will gain respect and attention
for the U in the same way that winning a Sugar Bowl or Fiesta Bowl will. Both
are important parts of the mission, both will result in better education for the
students and attracting companies to the state. Both will excited alumni and
stimulate donations. Both will make it easier to have nice relationships with
law makers. We need someone to enthusiastically embrace all missions of the
University of Utah.
This editorial illustrates why the University of Utah should find a President
who will work to privatize the University and divorce itself from the whims of
the state legislature. Since when, by the way, did Howard Stephenson join the
50% of all students who get into state schools like the U don't graduate after 6
years.The U's budget is $2.6 Billion compared with the Utah's State
budget of about $11.8 Billion.The U's budget expenditure per student
is about $80,000 per student over 31,000 students).What the U needs
is to go on a diet. Too many layers of administration. Too many students drop
out. Why? Not because of funding, but because of the management.