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  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2011 11:17 p.m.

    The NBA gods don't owe us anything. Like KOC said its his job to find that player. Its make or break time for KOC and the Jazz franchise whether the balls bounce our way or not.

    Make it Happen!!! KOC

  • SJ Bobkins Gilbert, AZ
    May 17, 2011 4:33 a.m.

    It's just a matter of the Jazz making the right decisions

    That's the point, however the chances of the Jazz making a pick that will save the club isn't likely. Take a look at the last 10 or 12 drafts. The grossly overpaid AK is essentially the only first round choice the Jazz still have, other than the cross country runner they drafted last year, who can't be judged yet. In 2004 when Mr. Lucky, KOC had two first round choices at #14 and #16, O Conner couldn't have done worse, neither play helped the Jazz at all, both are out of basketball. Guess who they avoided, the guy drafted in between their two picks, it was Al Jefferson, the man they would drop 2 first rounders to trade for. It takes a really Brainiac to use two positions in the top 16 and blow them both, while having no faith that AJ would be good enough to play in the NBA. That's nothing but ironic.

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    May 17, 2011 5:29 a.m.

    Kevin O'Connor needs a lot more than just luck -

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    May 17, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    Just don't draft Jimmer and I will be happy. Let him fail or succeed elsewhere. He'll dwindle in anonymity here in SLC.

  • onyx1950 West Jordan, UT
    May 17, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    Dear Localblue

    Get a clue. Jimmer will do fine. He will bwe MVP of the league someday and a 10 year allstar. Jazz do not pass on this great leader.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 17, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    KOC has 3 shots at getting one great player. He has 2 picks this year and the GS pick next year. He should get 1-2 good to great players out of the lotto.

    However, he has to replace AK this year or in the future. He also will probably need to replace Harris in the next couple of years. AJ and Millsap's contracts are both up at the same time.

    Utah needs shooting but it may be safer to get that in free agency. The Jazz are masters at evaluating existing talent who fit the system well.

    They are not good at drafting but that may improve with Sloan gone. It may also get worse. In my opinion, Sloan tended to draft players with certain characteristics at the expense of talent. They were usually bigs with defects.

    Hard work does not replace talent. You have to start with both in the draft.

    This is a weak draft so "work ethic" may still be the dominant criteria.

    IF Hayward is the SG of the future? Then the Jazz need the SF of the future. PG is an open question. SF/C is a 2 year need.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    May 17, 2011 8:39 a.m.

    I hope the Jazz get lucky. However, if they don't, they may consider using their draft picks for a trade to either pick higher or some future consideration. There are a few good players available in this draft even though it appears not as strong in previous years. Maybe they can package a few of our present players (like Okur or Kirilenko, maybe Millsap) for a higher pick.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 17, 2011 8:42 a.m.

    Most of the remaining playoff teams have a defensive SG or a slasher SG. Brewer of the Bulls and Sefolosha are the most obvious. Sloan employed that same approach but did not have enough shooting in the SF to make it work consistently.

    Jimmer at PG could work for the Jazz IF they had enough shooting at SG and SF. However, he could also work with a slasher at SG IF the SF could shoot well enough.

    Jimmer should open up the inside a lot more than Harris or Watson. Jimmer should be very good in the pick and roll. However, the Jazz may need to go to more of an inside out game that intelligently uses the 3. That approach fits AJ much better than the pure Sloan approach of the past. AJ needs to pass back out to shooters when the paint is packed.

    Jimmer may fit a fun and gun team well but he may also be ideal for an inside out team like ORL? However, he could be used to transform the Jazz into a modern efficient team with a strong inside attack (C/PF) AND outside shooting capability.

    The Jazz and Jimmer?

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    May 17, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    onyx,

    Still upset about the 47 Jimmer dropped at the blue-packed Hunstman Center? I'm happy all things BYU upset you. Puts a smile on my face.

    Thanks!

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    May 17, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    I actually believe Fredette is worth a shot...I talked to a friend who saw him play in Albuquerque, where he scored 52 points against the Lobos...This guy has the talent to shoot from the outside and score...He is worth the risk at number 12....My friend said that he was a scoring machine, even better than the Lobos legend of Danny Granger.

  • Utah Jazz fan Chris Clearfield, UT
    May 17, 2011 8:57 a.m.

    @onyx1950

    So in the future Jimmer will beat players like Derrick Rose and Kevin Durant for MVP?!?!?

    Be realistic!

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 17, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    The Jazz have plenty of yount talent already in the fold. Perhaps they should look at packaging AK and Bell, Price and CJ and getting a proven commodity.

    Devin Harris can play PG at a high level. This past season all he had to pass to were the above named individuals who can't throw it in the ocean and so Harris had a low assist ratio.

    Mark Gasol would be a nice touch for the Jazz and with the above named players and a couple of draft picks the trade should be made. If not Mark then somone else with similar credentials.

    The Jazz have talent and with the missing component they can compete, the training/developing years are so endless in Utah it is time to compete right out of the gate.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 17, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    It is unlikely Jimmer will be MVP. However, his style of PG play could be ideal for the future Jazz.

    In the past the Jazz pounded the ball inside even if that meant TOs, blocks and missed shots. According to Korver there were no specific 3 point plays. The Jazz should not abandon the Sloan flex. BUT it can and should be modified for 3 point options off of some of the existing plays.

    In the past the inside 2 point game became inefficient because the outside 3 point game was too weak. The idea is to maximize the efficiency of the inside game by improving the efficiency of the outside game.

    With AJ and Favors inside and Jimmer, Hayward and AK(?) outside the Jazz would have a strong attack. Since the C/PF and the SG/SF (wings) are interchangeable a slasher could be inserted at SG/SF IF the other wing shot well enough.

    Millsap will develop his 3 point shot this year and become a shorter version of Memo roving as a 6th man/starter across 3 positions. That is more outside shooting.

    AJ/Favors is a bit like having 2 Howards down low.

  • jazzfanzz WB, UT
    May 17, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    With all the success The Jimmer had in college, I don't see how the Jazz could pass him up if he's still available. He's a humble guy who will work with the team. Similar to Hayward (and remember all the negative comments when Hayward came on board?), I think The Jimmer would do great.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 17, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Doug`0: Where have you been? We don't have AK or Price under contract, we can't put them in a package to make a trade.
    Harris may have been an all star a few years ago, but he hasn't been playing close to that lately. His defense is terrible and his assists poor. We do need a point guard for the future. Jimmer would be a nice pick up, he could play behind Harris for a yr, maybe 2, and develop his point guard mentality and then he would be ready to shine, kinda like Stockton and Green.
    We do need a 3 though, and someone in the middle to play defense, both Big Al and Milsap were poor at D last year. I watched some new videos about Jonas a couple of days ago and he looked much better than I remmembered, he could be a good choice. I do like what I have seen of BB but his Nike tourney is all there has been to see, his motor, toughness, aggresive attack style on D would be a big help, BB would be a high risk/high reward guy.

  • Sloppyj30 Saint Louis, MO
    May 17, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Jazzfan, I'm thinking your sarcasm detector is busted.

    Meh; in a weak draft and with not a sure thing in sight even at the top, I don't see a huge difference between, say, #3 and #8. We won't know for a few years anyway. It's all a crapshoot. Get lucky and KOC's a genius, whiff and he's a bum. Either way, the lotter is a non-event this year.

  • Man in Charge Washington DC, WV
    May 17, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Jimmer does not belong in the same sentence as the Utah Jazz. Let him fail somewhere else.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington DC, WV
    May 17, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    If KOC listened to the fans and drafted Jimmer Freddete aka Adam Morrison, he would be out of a job. His excuse would be I listened to all the fans and drafted Jimmer over Kemba Walker.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    May 17, 2011 11:26 a.m.

    this is the weakest draft ever. Doesn't matter where you draft.

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    May 17, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    And the best part, we don't need a PG who plays defense because non of them in the NBA play defense anyways.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 17, 2011 12:59 p.m.

    How many NBA teams have an all-star quality player? Most have at least one, but not all teams do. What about superstars? Only a few teams have one, with maybe Miami having 2.

    Superstars, not all-stars, generally determine whether an NBA team will make the finals, which is supposedly the only reason for having a team (to get there and win it).

    If the Jazz ever want to return to the finals again, they'll need at least one superstar and one or two other all-star quality players. It took Pippin to get Jordan there.

    It takes a "team" of top players (at least 3) to do the job. The Jazz don't currently have anyone under contract that's likely to be a superstar. Some all-star quality players, yes, but no superstar.

    Name one player (without making everyone laugh) in this year's draft who has the capability of becoming a superstar. I dare you!

    My only possible pick is The Jimmer. Trolls will laugh, others will wonder, some might agree. But, he's the only one that I think has any chance at it.

    That's why the Jazz should draft him!

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    May 17, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    Obviously, if they could get Gasol, that would be "gravy". The team has a lot of "dead wood" with a number of young "raw talent" players such as Favors. Harris had a low assist ratio. With the same players, Williams had a high assist mark. I would package next year's draft choice and trade up to get Kanter. Jimmer would provoke a lot of fan interest. However, if they could get Knight, that would be a righteous miracle.

  • vail39 Summerville, SC
    May 17, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    IF the Jazz do win the Draft I do hope they can go for irving and if there 2nd pick is very high maybe williams or Kantor.

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    May 17, 2011 2:08 p.m.

    whatsinitforme:

    Was it harder watching BYU do so well in basketball this year or watch several picks for Utah's next coach graciously decline, including coach Rose?

    I'm happy all things BYU get you so upset you pretend to become a cougar.

    It makes me smile. Whatsinitforme(and so many others), proving Max right one post at a time.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    May 17, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    We will soon know, based upon althletic testing in Chicago, if Jimmer will even be a lottery pick.

    I get that eveyone wants to jump aboard the week draft media reports. However, every year there are players who exceed expectations. With a bunch of international players and young kids, someone is going to end up getting a steal/all star in the draft. Jazz are due for some luck!!

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 17, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    Visit my nba draft and search for the 12th pick over the last 30 years- absolutely underwhelming. Pretty much anyone people are discussing here (including Jimmer) would be a good pick at 12.

    The question is 6 (assuming the Jazz stay there) in a diluted, bad draft.

    I originally thought a PG would be a good draft pick, but I have changed my mind. I am not ready to throw DHarris under the bus yet-he only was in the system about a month. Give him next year and if he underperforms then draft a PG in that lottery with one of the two 1st round picks the JAzz will have.

    Greg Miller indicated that the Jazz want to get taller/bigger. Could that mean Vesely or Jonas V? I'm not sold on either. Maybe the Jazz draft a PF with the thought of trading Sap.

    What is clear is that the JAzz need a defensive presence in the middle and a shooter on the perimeter.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 17, 2011 2:43 p.m.

    Putting my own biases aside I went to Wages of Win and looked at the Position Adjusted Win Scores for potential draftees.

    These are adjusted for position so you can compare across positions. Keep in mind that College PAWS are not great NBA predictors but do correlate with NBA success.

    These scores are old based on Jan data.

    Walker 13.97
    Leonard 12.90
    Jordan Hamilton 12.52
    Jimmer 12.37
    Klay Thompson 12.19
    Travis Leslie 11.60
    Nolan Smith 12.37
    Singleton 11.12
    Holiday 14.09 A sleeper and probably late in the 1st round.

    They are all PGs or SG/SFs. The Jazz would be fine with most of them.

    Weaker picks include
    P Jones 7.17
    H Barnes 4.99
    Knight 8.07
    T Harris 8.47

    Irving is 15.47 and Williams is 13.87

    Jimmer is a decent risk compared to a lot of other very good players. The key question is fit with the Jazz.

    I personally am not thrilled with Walker and Leonard due to outside shooting but they may improve that skill.

    The Jazz are going to do okay in this draft.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    May 17, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    Gasol is the perfect fit for the Jazz...I could see him being the rugged tough guy center they needed even back in the Malone-Stockton days...

    So Popovich is promoting Sloan to coach the Lakers?

  • bigsoccer Syracuse, UT
    May 17, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    We don't want Kantor, we already drafted a 7 footer in 08 that the Jazz are still waiting to bring him over when they think he is NBA ready, we need guys who can create a shot. Like Irving, Williams, Freddett, or even Kemba Walker.

  • Allthingsjazz SLC, ut
    May 17, 2011 4:45 p.m.

    I'd be surprised if the Jazz don't draft an international player if they stay around #6. Size at the players natural position is KO's philosophy. The international players seem to fit that bill more than the college guys. Walker doesn't fit the profile. Jimmer not so much except for out side shooting.

    Are the point guards in this draft any better than Harris a one time allstar? There is no Rose or Wall. Irving is no lock to be number 1.

    The Jazz are thin on wings and in need of a legit sized center.

    With the 12th pick unless someone falls in your lap that you have rated alot higher, the Jazz may want to take a flyer on a future big that they can store overseas for a year or two and use in future trade. That way the pick doesn't take up salary against the cap, gets developed in a lockout year plus next year will be a better year to package some assets and move up for a potential difference maker. Patience.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 17, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    what's this Gasol talk?...first off..he is the reason why the Lakers lost...second he is getting old...with the age bracket that we have...I'd rather trade both of our picks this year...for picks next year with a loaded draft...