The Jazz defense is obsolete going back to the time when they had a big body at
C. It was designed for Eaton and Otag and has been obsolete and also bad since
that time. The design dates back to before the 3 point shot. The D
has to be totally rethought, and then adjusted to the strengths of the core
players and modernized for the current game and opponents. The game
has changed. Shaq plays limited minutes and Ming is gone. ORL has an athletic
big but no behemoth. MIL has Bogut but they are not even making the playoffs. LA
has Bynum (some of the time). They are about the only team that has a big C and
Gasol and Odom are probably more important. The Jazz approach to D
is out dated, obsolete and dysfunctional. In 2009/10 the Jazz scored 104.2 (4th)
and allowed 98.9 (12th). This year they scored (99.4) (15th) and allowed
(101.3) (19th). In 2008/09 they allowed 101.9 (18th). In 2007/08 they allowed
99.3 (13th). Dribble penetration defense was among the worst in the
NBA. It starts with the guards.
Oh man, so much to comment about....this should've split into like 5
articles...oh well.Who do they bring back? AK, Fes, Watson. AK
much lower price (~6-7 Mil)CJ, Elson, and Price seem like they're
out. I don't want Fes back, but you can't ignore how tall and beastly he can be.
He does have an impact on the game by just running down the other end.Who do they draft?Kawahi Leonard for the second pick . He's gotten a lot
of raves about his work ethic and has a background that would motivate him to be
the best. Plus he's a SF with double doubles in rebounds and points...you don't
see that often.Not sure about the 6th pick....Jan Vesley is
intriguing because of his hieght, but meh....I say trade the 6th pick to fill
another hole...get Maynor!
This is an excellent analysis and reflects what I have seen.I think
Ronnie Price just can't shoot well enough. He gets tense, his release changes
constantly, he holds at the top of his jump too much and doesn't get enough
consistent inertia from his legs and body. I have not seen him improve. He
also makes too many turnovers per minute. Let him go and pick up a real
shooter. Jimmer could work. Or go to Europe and talk Jaycee Carroll from Utah
State into coming here to play. Jaycee is one of the finest shooters I've ever
seen with a quick release, 40" vertical leap, great work ethic, excellent
rebounding skill for a 6'2" guy and great at shooting off curls -- ideal
for the Jazz. Carroll has led his league in Europe for three straight years.
I like Fesenko. He is getting better. His attitude has improved.
He is not taking so many stupid shots. He is learning to go strong to the hole,
and his defense is fine for a big buy. We can't give up on him now. He needs
coaching from a center.
really? Maynor?...he isnt the answer...plus we do have watson...i'd rather have
hinrich than maynor...Bugoff is right...you need to have good wing defenders...i
was pulling for a trade for tony allen during the season...we need a stopper at
the Point..and i dont think there is one right now that is available...
package CJ & one pick for a better pick or an established SG or Cresign Fes for 2 years with a T/O on the third year as everyone knows big guys
do take longer to develop & mature - he still is only 24 - we have already
invested 4 years & $ on himsay goodbye - Price, ElsonTrade options for MemoSign AK for 4/5 million - 3 yearsSign
Watson 1 year with T/O on second oneDraft best player available - if
not fit team - trade them for something that does fit.I would look
at most trades for any players but Favors & Hayward
Let cj go...lets try something else.AK could stay....but at a
minimal price...if he will agree.I think Price & Elson can both
go as well. I like both of them especially Price...but we have Watson and Elson
is likely not in our future.Keep Watson and Fess. Watson is great
and Fess's dimensions are too large to let go...at this point.
Center: I want to know more about Tomic. I think he is the lynchpin to whatever
the Jazz decide to do this year. If they get him, they are set at center. They
can easily get 48 minutes out of Tomic, Memo and AJ.PF: Too much
talent at one position. I think you have to stay with Favors in first back-up
role with the idea that he becomes the starter in 2012. So what do you do with
AJ and Sap? I think one of them should be traded (with other assets if
necessary) to get a wing.SF/SG (wings): Hayward has talent and
should become a starter pretty soon. CJ needs to start for his own confidence.
With those names, it's obvious the Jazz need help on the wings. Bell is a good
locker-room presence and can give reserve minutes but his time is past. AK would
be a great pick-up at the mid-level exception.PG: I like the
Harris/Watson combo but the Jazz need to draft the PG of the future.As a team, bugoff has it right. Perimeter defense is a bigger problem than
Possible depth chart for 2011-2012:C: Tomic, AJ, MemoPF:
AJ, Favors, Memo, EvansSF: Hayward, CJ, AKSG: starter
(acquired by trade or free agency), Bell, CJPG: Harris, rookie PG
(acquired in draft), Watson (Note: I'd let the rookie be the first one off the
bench to get him playing time in meaningful situations but Watson should get
more minutes.)ROSTERTomicJeffersonOkurFavorsEvansHaywardMilesKirilenkoTBD (starting SG
or SF)BellHarrisTBD (rookie PG of the future)WatsonThat's 13 players. If the Jazz go with the league-permitted 15, I'd add
a front-court presence (Fes?) and a perimeter defensive stopper.I've
agonized over trading Millsap but he's too small to guard the better PFs in the
league (backed up by statistics from 2010-2011 season) and I believe he is too
slow to guard the better SFs in the league (this group includes guys like Lebron
and Pierce). He's a hot commodity and I think the Jazz could get real value for
him in a trade. He's redundant at PF and the Jazz really need help elsewhere.
I agree that Milsap may be the best trade chip the Jazz have, the idea of
trading Paul isn't fun, but may be a good decision business wise. Favors and Big
Al should start and get the most minutes at the 4&5. Tomic is long and tall
but he's not that good on the defensive end, he's not a shot blocker, rebounds
OK, nothing great, not sure he can hold his own down low, needs more weight
& muscle. I'd like to look into Biyombo more to see if he would be worth
drafting, he's the defensive presence we need. I'd love to see Fes brought back,
I think it will be a last minute signing just like last year if they do.I
don't know why so many people think the Jazz need a 2, both Hayward and CJ are
best at the 2, every coach/FO manager want to get taller, longer and more
athletic at every position, Hayward & CJ can play the 3 but are undersized
and overmatched alot at the 3, at the 2 they give the Jazz the advantage of
height&length etc. The Jazz needA3inthedraft.
A point guard for the future is also a need to fill in this draft, Knight or
Jimmer would be my choices. TJones, Leonard, Vesley would be the 3's I'd
look close at to see who would be the best. Kanter is very skilled but
he's more of a 4 (he wants to play 4) and his knees are a question. Jonas
is too skinny/lightweight, Biyombo is very interesting, watching him, he could
be a good backup to Favors and Big Al. He plays with tremendous energy and
intensity and that is valuable, especially for a big. His 7'7 wingspan makes him
like a long 7 footer.
Bullet responses:1: Hayward proved at the end of the year he's the
long-sought SG the Jazz have needed. Can both defend the likes of Kobe and score
against them. DUH!2: Favors' shot-blocking and rebounding at
season's end shows if he gets enough playing time, that alone improves the Jazz
defense.4: Bring back AK, Fes, and Watson. Forget Price and
Elson.5: Let CJ hang around without changing anything. He'll be
Hayward's backup. Then decide whether to extend or just let go.6:
Waste a high draft pick on a non-superstar big man and the Jazz will continue to
wander in mediocrity.8: Forget Tomic, unless he's cheap. Haven't
heard much good about him other than size.10: DUH! Use first pick on
The Jimmer, or the Jazz will be sorry. He's a future superstar. The Jazz
currently don't have one, except Hayward might become one--just a maybe there.
Harris can't lead the team very deep in the playoffs--he's a poorman's
Iverson.Outside of Jimmer, the draft is pretty slim pickens for a
team that needs a PG leader.
I love reading these comments, pretty good thoughts by all. Tomic just signed a
big contract with Real. I think it would be tough to get him to SLC.
Enes Kanter is a "beast" at 18. Dad wants him to stay at Kentucky and
sue the NCAA. The Jazz need to build around Favors. I like Fez and he just has
not been coached. Bring in Malone to get involved. They could trade up from 12
with a draft choice for next year to offer. The Lakers have their
"bigs" back in the game and are going to the NBA finals. The Jazz
need to match up bigs. Tomic may help. The best scenario is to get lucky in
the lottery or trade up for the two Kentucky jewels in Kanter and Knight.
Height and a good point guard are priorities. Miles is too controversial.
Kirilenko appears to have "eaten out of the same apple" as D-Wil and
Miles. The jury is still out on Corbin. He has good blood lines from DePaul
and Ray Meyer. We shall see.
AK usually a fan favorite has given the Jazz all that he can. Would you hire
someone who has proven by numbers they will be there only 75% of the time and
part of that time will be getting back into shape after his next injury? Nobody
can afford to pay somebody and not count on them.I will also go
against the numbers here by saying the team does not need Fes. They can trade
of draft someone who can match up better with Favors or AJ. The team cannot
depend on Fes except to miss free throws and to still foul out early when he has
to play. His upside is a flatline.I like Devin Harris and I think
if the Jazz can acquire players who can hit (that excuses Bell, CJ, Price,
Elson, and more recently Okur) that his assists will increase and the team will
benefit from his experience.I like the kid from San Diego as he
seems to have the athleticism the Jazz like, defends hard and usually gets his
numbers.The Jazz have had a huge payroll and after they disperse the
above named players their potential should rise.
The comments here have been very knowledgable. If were in Jazz management I'd
consider having an open forum with several of you to get some input.But it wasn't until "WhatsInItForMe | 10:22 a.m. May 1, 2011" that I
saw the light I wanted to see. Jimmer! This guy is the real deal. I don't
ANYONE on the Jazz (maybe Hayward or maybe Miles) who have the
"spark," the "fifth element," that the Jazz or any team
needs to take it all the way. The Jazz have lots of the cogs
needed, for sure some more need to be in place before they move back up into
contention. Jefferson is a key as well. But, the best thing out there that
would bolster up the Jazz in many ways is, Jimmer. (I can't believe that Jimmer
is not in the Des News Spell Checker.)
If the Jazz could get a consistent 3 shooter or two, that would be nice. I
think the two beat options would be Jimmer and Jaycee Carroll.Both of them know
how to shoot the lights out and would be a nightmare for defenders. Maybe try
to trade Bell for a fairly big SF. TRADE MEMO!!!! Maybe for a draft pick or
something but just trade him! Get 'rid of Miles, Elson, and Price. Maybe a
mid-major star like Tai Wesley may work.Everyone, this is how the
roster should be...flat out...PG: Harris, Watson, PG(From Draft)SG: Hayward, Jimmer, CarrollSF: Millsap, A.K., (person from Bell
Trade)PF: Favors, Evans, WesleyC: Jefferson, Fes, (person from Memo
@ joe5get out of here Atomic starting C pleeeeeease.... I mean could
minutely possible but I highly doubt.
Every NBA champion in the last 20 years has had a 2 guard as one of their three
best players. The Jazz haven't had a 2 as one of their top three players since
Hornacek retired.George Karl said the Jazz are only a player or two
from being a legit contender, so the Jazz let Matthews go because his contract
was too big -- at the same time the Millers were building a brand new dealership
in Ogden. I love the Millers and appreciate their sacrifices for the team. At
the same time, much of their fortune has been built on the good will they've
received from being Jazz owners. I think it is time for them to step up.Watson is a great, fiery backup 1. Fes has potential and NBA champions
need length. Start Favors. Millsap is a GREAT sixth man, but he isn't long
enough to to take the team to the top and is statistically one of the worst
on-ball defenders in the NBA as a result. Injuries or not AK is one of the top
10 on-ball defenders. Keep him, and get a different trainer. CJ lacks heart.
Draft Jimmer with the #12 pick. Bring him along during the first year and
determine where he best fits. We need his 3 point shooting and his
determination. He is a SG in a PG's body, but will be valuable on the 2nd unit
along with Milsap at PF for the first year. Trade up with the #6 pick using CJ,
and Price or Bell or Momo. Get the best player we can with that pick. It would
be great if it could be a SF, but whatever. Keep Fes, but hire a retired
center, a good one, to work his butt off. If he won't work, trade him at the
first opportunity. AK seems to be having the same problems as Boozer had.
Offer him the mid-level exception - if he won't take it, let him go. We already
overpaid him once, but shouldn't again. I think this would give us a great
team,with these few changes. We'll need a little luck also. Go Jazz.
Keep Fes & Watson. Hope AK agrees to stay with a big paycut. Don't draft the
SD small forward Leonard...even a local SD paper said he is not first round
draft material. I'm just starting to hear more on the long-armed, high energy
Biyombo. Intriguing guy. Draft Burks, too. He is a penetrator and good defender.
Horny can help him with his jump shot.
It will be hard to trade Memo this year, even though he has an expiring salary.
However, it may happen at the trade deadline, solely as a salary dump by some
team. GMs are looking at Elton Brand to assess how Memo might recover from his
injury--and Brand has not recovered that well.It will also be hard
to trade Bell, with two more years left on his contract and last year's
performance that makes him look well past his prime.I also don't
believe too many teams will be interested in either of the Jazz's draft picks
this year in a weak draft.The only realistic tradeable assets the
Jazz will have is CJ (if re-signed) and Millsap, and the Jazz may choose to keep
them both, at least for this year.Every time I have watched Tomic on
video, he has looked too "soft" to have an impact in the NBA. At
best, I think he will be a mediocre backup C/PF. If the Jazz can trade him,
they should.I expect the Jazz to try to re-sign AK, Watson, Miles
I hope the team can re-sign Fesenko for a cheap contract. His progess has been
slow, but he has made progress. When he first came to the Jazz, he had no court
sense to speak of. He was always out of position to be effective on defense or
to get rebounds. He has improved immensely in that respect. He has always been
a fairly good passer and has continued to improve in that respect. Early last
season, he showed flashes of offense, but did not get enough playing time during
the season to really develop his offense better, due to weird injuries and being
out of shape.Memphis has recently showed in the playoffs that it is
a team to reckon with for the next few years. The Jazz needs to have size to
deal with LA, Memphis, Sacramento and a few other teams. It would be
shortsighted to let Fesenko go, and then not have anyone to deal with big
players like Marc Gasol and Andrew Bynum, especially when he can be signed for
such a small salary by NBA standards.If the Jazz can get Fesenko to
work on his foul shots, he could be very valuable.
It is clear that a big center with defensive skills can be very valuable in the
playoffs. Atlantic conquered Orlando because of Jason Collins--who would have
thought. That's why the Jazz need to re-sign Fesenko.It is
difficult to figure out who the Jazz might take in the draft. However, Jazz
fans should not expect the Jazz draft picks to have much impact for several
years, if at all. The only players in the draft that might be able to step in
and an immediate starter are Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams--but then, only
on teams who need someone at their positions. The Jazz will probably not move
up in the draft to take either of those players, so the Jazz will really be
looking at "role" players with its picks. The Jazz will most likely
get a backup point guard, such as Knight, Walker or Fredette, and a backup SF,
such as Jones, Leonard or Vesely. Bismack Biyombo is also interesting, mostly
because of his competiveness to go along with his length and athleticism.Next year's Jazz team will probably look a lot like the team the Jazz
had at year's end.
Why is the decision so tough? we need the same thing we`ve needed for years,a 2
and a 5.period,Hayward may be the 2,and Favors possibly the 5 but I doubt
it,he`s probably a pf.send miles,raja,elson packin,Memphis and OKCalong with
Portland are the future in the west
I really like what I have seen of Biyombo, but that has been limited and alot
more needs to be seen, but I like the possiblities. I think trading Milsap could
get us the most for our money and drafting Biyombo would give us someone with
alot of potential, a hard worker, good attitude, long(7'7wingspan), rebounder,
shotblocker, defensive minded.
Hayward is the future at the 2, he was looking real good at the end of the
season and he should continue to improve. Favors IMO, is the future at the 4,
Big Al can fill the 5 for now but a longer, more defensive minded center needs
to be found. A point guard for the future needs to be found also and Knight or
Jimmer could be what we need. I think Jimmer can become a good point guard, he
has always been asked to score, if he is asked to distribute, I think he will
show he can be that kind of a player.
Harris is a very good player and the Jazz point guard of the future. The only
way the Jazz would replace him in the near future is if they could get a
perenial all-star for not-too-much-more money or a player just as good for
cheaper. Therefore, the Jazz are only looking for a backup PG at this time.
Knight, Fredette, Walker and Burks all have potential to be good backup point
(or combo) guards for the Jazz. Watson is also a keeper for the next few
years.The Jazz could upgrade at the SG. Hayward looks like the
shooting guard of the future. However, unless the Jazz can trade for someone
like Iguodala, or sign Jason Richardson, it looks like any SG they sign will
only be a backup.The Jazz are weak at SF. The Jazz really need to
re-sign Kirilenko or sign Tayshaun Prince. Earl Clark is a nice, long,
athletic, young player who might be good in the future.If the Jazz
could sign Kenyon Martin for cheap, they could afford to trade Millsap.There are good free agent centers this year, but most will be too expensive
for the Jazz.
I don't think the Jazz would even consider Kenyon Martin, he's got too many
problems.Earl Clark is an interesting possiblity, I like his skills &
his size but wonder about his drive and determination.Harris has to show
me he can put being a creator for his teammates before I'll be satisfied he can
be the pt of the future, he looks to score first too much right now, I think the
Jazz may look at Knight, Jimmer or even Walker to back up Harris and be groomed
to take his place.From GMillers comments on ksl, I think the Jazz will be
looking to find AK's replacement, in the draft I like TJones and Vesely with
Leonard as a dark horse pick. I only like Jones & Vesely though if they can
play the 3.I would look at possibly trading Milsap, his value is at its'
highest and maybe we could get a Granger type 3, then look into drafting Biyombo
to be the 3rd big, he would bring defense, rebounding, shotblocking, hustle,
he's young, good upside. Jazz weaknesses last yr, defense & rebounding.
Draft Burks with the 6th pick, he is going to be the steal of the draft, a Wes
Mathews type of game and lord knows we need a shooting guard that can create,
defend the 3, work both sides of the court. Draft Jimmer with the 12th
pick if he is still there. I would rather see Jimmer coming off the bench next
year rather then Watson or Price any day. Bring AK back for the veteran
minimum, he already said money is not an issue. The people that say AK should
make 6-7 mill are insane, try 2 or 3 people. Have AK come off the bench.Bring Fes back, he is better then any of bigs in the draft. Maybe flip a coin
on CJ? I say bring CJ back, he will improve next year just by learning from his
mistakes from this past season.Drafting Burks and Jimmer would give us
shooting and upgrade our back court and this would make us a playoff team again,
no question about it.
If Hayward and Favors are any indication of what KO is looking for it's size,
length and athleticism/speed at each position. Sorry Jimmer, you don't fit the
bill. Burks, Knight, Vesely, Leonard, Motiejunas, Jones, Honeycutt? More along
the lines of the new KO, not the Sloan KO...Which is why AK and likely CJ will
be back. IMO you don't trade away your superstar to pick a slow white guy with
limited defense in the lottery. Milsap, I'd be worried if I were you unless you
can play alot at the 3 spot......because you don't fit the bill at the 4!
Jimmer will not be available with the 12th pick and AK is not going to sign for
2-3million. AK will at least be offered the trade exception from some team. I
also believe there is something in the CBA that states what the minimum salary
for a 10 year vet like AK is and I'm pretty sure it's more than $3 million.
While I could be wrong on this last point, I'm still sure you're not going to be
able to sign AK for 2-3 million period.
I watched videos of Biyombo over lunch today. I was intrigued by his wingspan
and Portland Summit numbers, but after watching him I think he could be a
defensive shot blocking/rebounding force. If he were 3 inches taller, he would
be in the conversation for top 3 pick this year. Think a nastier Evans plus 40
pounds of muscle. I've watched highlights of Vessely and am not
that impressed with him. Sure, 6'10" SF sounds intriguing, and his dunks
are impressive, but his shooting and dribbling are not. I also see
Kawhi Leonard and Terrance Jones as tweeners. Great in the key, but questionable
on the perimeter, yet their size dictates being a SF. Not sure I would draft
either if I were the Jazz. Biggest question in my mind is whether
Memo can come back next year in form. If so, then outside shooting and opening
up middle for either AJ or Favors could be effective. If not, we need another
big. Biyombo at 6 for potential (keep him in Spain 1 more year)
might be best move, and pick up Thompson or Honeycutt at 12 to fill wing need.
JazzNation: I'm surprised you keep pushing for Burke, we don't need a 2, both
Hayward & CJ are 2's, they can play the 3 but are better suited to play the
2. KOC has stated many times, they want to get taller and longer at every
position if possible. Burke is almost a CJ clone, that means he is talented but
he has some of the same problems CJ has, he's not that good of a defender, his
outside shooting is his weakness, sometimes he doesn't play that hard. He has
positives, like handles, driving to the hole etc but he wouldn't beat CJ out,
he'd be a rookie at the end of the bench and he's not what we need.Truth:
I think you'll be surprised by how athltetic Jimmer will pan out to be, plus his
shooting,& his handles/creative ability is something the Jazz could use.LAJazzFan: I like the idea of Biyombo, then trade Milsap and get what we need
in the trade. Leonard may be a sleeper, I would only want TJones if he can play
the 3. Vesely too. Not counting on Okur.
Trade Milsap? Really? Sure, his value is high but that is because he is an 18
pt/8 reb machine with a PER/Eff around 20 for only $7M per season. Who you
gonna get for him that would provide equal value?I like the thought
of Sap coming off the bench and playing his 10-15 foot game with a
rebounding/blocking minded backup center (Fes and/or Biyombo would work).
Wow! Everyone that says to trade Millsap is out of their mind!!! This is a guy
that is a rebound machine, and if we struggled rebounding then we need him! This
is the only guy on the team that brings it each and every game. He has the most
heart out of everyone in the league and you wan't to trade him? Unbelievable!
I know the idea of trading Milsap is almost a taboo like statement but he is
undersized and according to ESPN's Hollinger, (he has a listing of players &
their defensive rating)Paul was like 194th out of 201. It is hard to believe but
Paul struggles more than people think on the defensive end. I would hope the
Jazz could get someone like Granger for Paul. I'm not saying it will or should
happen but it may be good business. Favors is the future at the 4, and Paul may
not want to come off the bench again.
REDCLIFFS: Veteran minimum was 1.2 million this year. AK has missed 25% of games
for the Jazz in his career and he is in similar situations as players like
Tracey McGrady, Michael Redd, Dalembert, Prince, J.Richardson, just to name a
few players that have had max or close to max deals, but will likely be playing
for 2-3 maybe mid level at 5.8 million max next year. If AK wants to play in
Utah, he will play for Vet minimum or close to it. CaptainL: Our
back court was one of the worst in the NBA last year, and our front court is
very good and nobody in this draft will be a starter for the Jazz next year
anyways, unless we happen to land Williams or Irving. Our perimeter offense and
defense has been horrible to say the least and drafting guys that can come off
the bench and contribute solid minutes is what we need, any bigs in this draft
would never get the minutes, look at Fesenko.Don't expect any
rookies to start for this team next year, we need to draft talent, upside, and
future replacements. Jimmer/Burks makes sense.
Bell - Lost his shot, and his defense wasn't that good this year, plus the age
factor so he would be my first choice to let go. Elson - Just
didn't work out, I think I would rather have Jarron Collins back, over Elson.CJ - Maybe sign the option for one year, but don't offer an extended
contract, he hasn't been consistent yet.Fesenko - Is cheap and
actually improved a lot this year. Since he is young he should continue to get
better, so bring him back.Price - As much as I like Price, he
didn't show a lot of improvement, The Jazz always seem to have 3 point guards
though, so maybe the Jazz resign him.AK- Only keep if we can get him
back cheap, It may be time to part ways. The Jazz need consistency.Everyone else should stick around, unless a good trade is available.
this might be scrutinized...but i think...we could move Hayward to PG...
Millsap`s not going anywhere,count on it,most consistent player by far on this
Dude I love that idea, Hayward at point would be awesome! If anybody watched the
game against the Lakers, he almost played the point the whole game and he was
amazing! The only problem is him playing defense on a fast point guard like
Chris Paul or someone like that.
I think the idea of playing Hayward at the point is not that far fetched, he has
the skills to play the point and he has the mentality. The reason the 2
spot for the Jazz was so bad last year is because Bell played most of the
minutes at the 2, Price played some 2 as well. Hayward & CJ are better
suited to play the 2, Hayward was coming on strong at the end of the year and
should continue to improve and if CJ can show some consistency the 2 spot will
be strong and young. We need players to fill the 3. We need someone like Biyombo
but unless we got rid of Milsap or Big Al, he would never see the floor to
develop. Favors is the future at the 4, we just got Big Al and he is young, I
know talking about trading Milsap isn't popular but it may be good business,
just like trading DWill, not popular but good business.
For 2009-10 based on PER which is not a great metric, Millsap at PF has a
offensive Per of 18.8 (adjusted for 48 minutes) and an opponent Per of 18.9. At
SF he is 4.6 and his opponents are 36.7. Millsap is not an SF. He
will never be an SF but can match up with a few SFs. For 2009-10
based on +/- Millsap has an offensive rating of 1.12 and a defensive rating of
1.05 with a net48 of 6.8. Bball reference indicates Millsap with an
offensive rating (per 100 possesions) of 114 and a defensive rating of 108 (net
of 6) in 2010-11. That is his worst year. Usually he has a net of 9-11.
Jefferson was 111 and 108 which was an improvement.An SF is probably
the biggest issue in the draft. Based on this metric Millsap is
actually better than AJ. I do not see Tomic as an answer and his
buyout is expensive. Miller is not likely to give AK more than 6
mill a year. The big problem is that AKs WP48 of nearly .20 has to be replaced.
Trading Millsap would be okay depending on what you get back. If the WP48 coming
back is less than .20 then you made a bad deal. Millsap is fine rotation with AJ
and Favors at 30+ minutes a game. He can also log a few minutes at SF some once
in a while. He is cheap at 8 mill. There is no PF in the draft that
the Jazz can get who is better than Millsap.Hayward and CJ should be
at SG but can play SF. If AK leaves there is a big WP48 hole at SF and that has
to be replaced with someone just as good or better. That is not CJ. Based on WP48 the Jazz need to keep AK, Millsap, AJ, Favors, Watson, Hayward
and give Harris a year to settle in. Jimmer is a risk but not more
risky than the other options available at 12. See how his work outs go and
Jimmer will be a clear choice one way or another. Biyombo is
basically Millsap without the jumper. The Jazz will be better with
the 2 draft choices. They will get good players at 6 and 12.
I would understand if the Jazz decided to go ahead and draft Jimmer with the 6th
pick and get the best available player left with the 12th pick. The
Jazz could turn around and package the 2 picks and swing a blockbuster trade,
imagine a guy like Granger or Iguodala, playing the 3 next year in a Jazz
uniform? Are the Jazz thinking about winning now, or is the thought
to just rebuild and hope guys pan out?
Bugoff: Your stats are offensive only, there would definitely be a drop off
offensively if we replaced Paul with Biyombo but it is on the defensive end that
Biyombo would make his presence felt and it is on the defensive end that we need
the most help. If getting Biyombo happened it would have to be because the Jazz
trade Milsap and fill the void at the 3. A player like Granger would be nice.
Not sure what Grangers WP48 was last year, probably better the year before.
Granger may be a good fit with the Jazz though. If TJones can play the 3,
then I would definitey take him, if there is a question as to whether he can
play the 3, then I wouldn't take him. Same with Vesely. Jimmer I think would be
a worthwhile risk, if we can get him at the #12 spot.
Trade down and get Williams, he's the complete package and not a 2-3 year
project like Biyombo. He has plenty of speed to play the 3 and can drain shots
from outside and could fill in at 4 when needed . Then you could trade Milsap
and get someone really good in return, his contract was front loaded and is a
bargain now so he would bring major interest from other teams. Maybe even trade
him and the 12 pick to get down to 1 or 2.
Maybe I just haven't seen enough of Williams but I'm not that high on him, I
don't know if he can play the 3. TJones looks like he can play the 3 better than
Williams. I'm not even sure TJones can play the 3 in the NBA, that is one of the
question marks I have about him. Also the biggest thing about Biyombo is his
defense, everyone wants to think offense, we need a defensive minded big, that
can change the game at the defensive end. I'm not sure how good Biyombo can be
or if we should take him or not but I think he's interesting enough that he
should be looked at very close.I have read where the Pacers are willing to
move Granger, I think he would fit in nicely with the Jazz, Milsap & Bell
for Granger. Not sure how the money works, I know Granger makes alot. Miller
wants to win, while rebuilding, the Jazz have never been down for long and their
not used to not winning. They think they have the players, with a couple of
draft picks and a FA to continue to win.
yeah...i also love the idea of having Hayward at the point...because he really
can create for others...he can dribble drive...and shoot over opposing
points...having another SG who could rotate off screen and set up for a shot
from a kick out pass would be good...i think the most effective way to use
Hayward is when he torched LA for 22...he gets the ball off the screen on the
highpost...pivots and drives and kicks out a pass if there's no shot or no entry
pass to the inside available...we could get taller if he does play
point..but...ok...let's say he doesnt play point and plays SG...i sure hope we
ran plays through him...because he is a playmaker...he always was...
Earl Watson was more consistent than Ronnie Price this year so I'd love to see
us draft a decent back up point guard. Kyrie Irving will be gone in the first
two picks so Brandon Knight is my favorite because he has the most upside, then
Jimmer, who is nba ready but I see Kemba as being another Jonny Flinn that is
undersized at the position. Kemba is ranked in the top 5 of point guards but I
rank him as a mid to late first rounder. I am afraid that Bismack Biyombo
will be the number one pick so he won't be there at 6 or 7. The Jazz will have
to trade both lottery picks to get him or Derick Williams. There is uncertainty
about foreign players like Kanter, Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesley since they are
all 18 and are inconsistent. Donatas Valanciunas loves to shoot 3 pointers and
is a decent 7 footer who could play the 3. He will likely be there at number
12.Ante Tomac will give us some depth next year. I doubt Kirlenko is back
unless it is for the mid level exception. Jan Vesley reminds me of Kirlenko.
I'd like to see AK come back but at the right price. I think taking the team
option on CJ's contract is a no brainer, if for no other reason than to get some
trade value out of him. As far as the draft goes I think they should take the
best player available with both picks. I do have a feeling the Jazz will end up
with somebody from Kentucky with their first pick. I think Terrence Jones is
going to start rising a bunch once individual workouts start, but Knight is the
guy I am currently highest on that could be available at 6.As for
Price and Fess, let them go. Too many injuries and not enough production.And Finally if I am the Jazz I do everything I can to get Tomic over
here asap. He could be a solid role player for the Jazz next season. He's also
24 years old so he is as ready as he will ever be.
@Bugoff: Biyombo is the best shot blocker in this years draft so he has a lot
higher cieling than Milsap. He does need work on the offensive end but I can
see him being a superstar in the nba. He's the best player in this years draft
even though he is not experienced. He reminds me of a younger KGarnet.@Jazz-Nation: The Jazz won't draft Jimmer at number 6 unless his draft stock
goes up that high. Don't worry, he'll be there at number 12 but I'd like them
to trade down to the 15 to 20 range to get him. He's #7 on mynbadraft.com but
most other mock drafts have him at 12 to 20. I am not certain I want
Fesenko, Elson, or Price back. Kirlenko isn't very durable but he's a great
player and Earl Watson is a decent backup. I doubt if the Jazz passup CJ for
only 4 million; he's still young but this could be his breakthrough season. He
had that 40 point night so hopefully he'll be more consistent next year.
@Viva: If you think Biyombo is the best shot blocker in the draft you better
check out the 18 year old Brazilian that just declared (Lucas Nogueira) and he
is a real 7 footer, not a six seven with long arms, plus there is no way either
of them will go in the lottery, even the NBA scouts that are high on Biyombo say
he's 2-3 years away from being NBA ready. Also if the Jazz let Fez
go they will live to regret it, the only thing he needs is a coach that will
give him some respect and when he finds one people (including the ones that are
saying get rid of him) will be crying for years about another one that got away.
CJ will still be an asset for the price but should be strictly a back-up that
you leave in only when he is hot.
@Captain L: I don't recall ever seeing Williams at the 3 but I did see him
dribble the ball the length of the floor against either Texas or Duke and blow
right by a 2 guard and SF that were trying to stay up with him and you can't
tell me he's not fast enough. Also he's a much better shooter than TJones from
outside. It also tells you something when he's not going lower than 2nd on any
mock draft i've seen. I watched 2 of T Jones games and wasn't impressed either
time, maybe I just caught him at his worst.
This next year will be interesting, how much will Favors improve? Will Hayward
continue getting better and become a leader on the team? Will Evans work on his
3 man skills so he can play the 3? Will Milsap be played at the 3 alot more?
Will CJ realize his inconsistency may be his undoing and exit ticket from the
Jazz? If CJ can work hard enough so he can become consistent he will be a major
asset to the team, the problem is he has had plenty of time to prove himself and
so far, it hasn't happened. This year will prove whether CJ ends up a bench
player or if he can prove he can be a starter and consistent producer. Will
Harris show more leadership by being more of a distributor? Will Big Al work on
defense and rebounding? Will the Jazz resign Fes or AK? Who will the Jazz draft?
What positions do KOC and the coaches feel they need to upgrade? Will there be
any trades? Will KOC find a FA that can help the team? Lots of questions, should
The Jazz need some physically and mentally tough guys who are willing to work
hard and play EVEN when they have a hang nail or a "sore knee". The
Jazz have talent. What they don't have is any desire, intensity or toughness.
And a team leader would be nice. They haven't had one since John and Karl
Burks is a good pick because he can play both guard positions...he is not just a
2. He also might become one of the premier defensive guards in the NBA and will
be able to penetrate and score on his own when the Jazz offense becomes
If the Jazz were to take Burke, I think it would mean the Jazz would be looking
to move CJ, otherwise I don't see the need to draft Burke, he may end up being
as good as some posters think he will, but the things I've read, don't tell me
that, he's not that good a defender, his outside shooting is his weakness, he'
not always playing hard. Like I've said before, he reminds me of CJ, that means
he has talent but but but.TeaForTwo: I agree, toughness and determination,
guts etc is what we need.
I would trade the 6th spot to Portland for Matthews and a second round pick. We
need Matthews ehergy back. I'd keep Fez at a bargain basement price. Favors,
Harris, Milsap and Jefferson are the core. Hayward and Matthews would also be a
core players. Andre off the bench with Tomic and Watson as reserves. I'd let
everyone else go and only invest in the number 12 spot as a bargaining chip for
After the way Mathews played this year, I don't think Portland would be willing
to part with him. He is exactly the type of player we need though, his guts,
determination and hustle are the perfect example of how the players need to
I agree with shaybo...the brazilian is a defensive beast...defense wise...he is
much better than biyombo...i think the brazilian is 2-3 years away of having
significant impact on both ends of the court...right now...he is just a monster
defender that could anchor a solid defense...i'd rather have him than Fes at
@CaptainL:I totally agree, lots of questions for Jazz, just makes
speculating more interesting. I also agree about Burks, just what we need
another shooting guard that can't shoot. If we want another Brewer we can get
the real thing for a lot less than a lottery pick.
@Captain LGranger is a good scorer but like Rudy Gay...he demands
the ball thus the rotation of the ball stops...we already have a black hole in
Al Jeff...I'd rather want us signing Shane Battier...to fill the SF spot...he
could teach some pointers to the rookies on how to guard the elite wings in the
NBA...Hayward could benefit with this...i think what's important is being a
tough defensive team...the points will come...stopping the opponent most of the
time...could give us more opportunities on offense...so...i'd rather look for a
defender...that could shoot...im very high on Battier...
I can't believe people are are still talking about Wes Mathews. That ship has
sailed folks and I say good riddance. I'd rather have a 21 year old 6'8"
Hayward with potential through the roof playing the 2 than a generously listed
6'4" guard who has a great story but who has already reached his peak.I really think that Gordon Hayward's play next year will make Jazz fans
glad Mathews took the money and ran.
I like Battier, and have wanted the Jazz to find a way to get him but he's
getting old and I don't think he would sign as a FA with a team that is
rebuilding, at his age, he's going to want to sign with a team that can contend
for a champtionship.Glad to see others who can see (at least with the
video's and reports we've seen) that Burke isn't a player we need to worry about
getting. I say that and then I remember thinking the Jazz wouldn't want to draft
Hayward last year too. I didn't know they would make the trade for Big Al though
and without that, drafting a 4 would have been the right move. Because of the
Big Al trade though, I think they made the right move by drafting Hayward.Granger would have to find a way to ajust and work within the Jazz system and
be a 2nd or 3rd option, whether KOC thinks he could do that I don't know.
Comparing CJ and Burks is just wrong. CJ occasionally shows defensive aptitude,
but much more often is lost on the court. Burks can play the point, as I said
before, and he is touted by many people as an excellent defender. Comparing
Brewer to Burks is wrong, too, because Brewer never developed a good outside
shot, couldn't play point, and Burks outside shot is improving. Anyway, how many
of the posters here besides me touted Hayward all year? Just saying, it is
important for the Jazz to draft a point guard (or at least someone like Burks
who can play either position) this draft. Harris is good, but the team needs to
try to improve at that position for the long term. The Jazz won't be picking 6th
again for many years, unless they get a pick through a trade. Pick Irving,
Walker, or Burks. Imagine Burks and Hayward next to each other on the court.
Scalman: Where are you getting your info on Burks? I'd like to read it.
Everything I have read doesn't support your opinions about Burks. If I thought
the Jazz would play him as a point guard, I'd say go for it but I haven't heard
or seen anything to make me think that would happen. Burks may end up being a
very good player but right now he has alot of things that make me want to look
elseware. I don't understand your reason for saying CJ and Burks aren't alot
alike, in fact right now CJ is a much better player than Burks but I know Burks
has potential, but it needs to be developed.
compare Burks game to Tyreke Evans, both slashers can get to the rim, both are
super athletic, both create match up problems.
Captain: I did some more research and I was surprised to discover that he
doesn't always do well defending. His jump shot, as many have stated here,
needs a lot of work, especially out beyond the arc. You were the one to
mention his name first months ago, and I looked at mock drafts and one in
particular (nbadraft.net) gave him scores of 9 in athleticism, ball handling and
potential. Those scores, plus an 8 in defense are meaningful. He also seems like
the type of player who wants the ball at the end of games, just like Hayward is.
His overall offensive ability, including the fact he can drive to the basket
with either hand, finishes at the rim, is a willing and excellent passer, and
one of the best college rebounders (2nd overall for wing rebounders), is reason
to see him as special. Maybe it's just a feeling, but I like him a lot, and I
don't see others in the draft that I really like more after the first 3 probable
I still like Vesely and Fredette with the two picks, save our money on CJ and AK
unless he's cheap and try to sign Nene as a free agent. There is your
inside/outside game. I don't have a good feeling about getting Ante
Tomic, it would be nice having a skilled offensive center like him but I think
he would have to take less than half the money he's making to come to the
NBA.Whatever happened to Tadeja Dragicevic he was a nice all around
6'9" guy supposed to play with the Jazz in summer league but had tendinitis
or something, anybody know?
Dont waste a pick on a Big Man please. We have enough on here now, that need to
be developed in Favors, and Big Al. If Favors develops he, and Big
Al compliment each other well. Favors has freakishly long wing span and could
still be growing. This kid can be a special player in this league if he puts in
the work. Big Al was looking comfortable in the offense the last couple of weeks
of the season. If he can learn to pass the ball when doubled, and DOESNT hold on
the ball for 10 seconds trying to figure out how to attack the defender, it
kills the flow of the offense and people are stuck standing around. Our front
court will be a problem in the Western conference if they can put it
together.We need shooters on this team. Draft Jimmer, and Reggie
Jackson from BC. I read that the Jazz scouted Jackson and are really high on the
kid. 6' 3" PG with a 7 + foot wingspan. Some scouts have said that he has
the skill set to be floor general at the next level.
Some here are asking for a SF in this draft, if you dont land Derrick Williams
hope for next years pick with the Warriors pick. Next season is when they should
be looking to fill that need, because it will be stacked. Look for your shooters
in this years draft. If the Jazz FO can build around the core we have now, the
Jazz will be back in less than 1 year. Exciting times ahead for us and OUR team.
Lets go Jazz and O'Connor.
I like the idea of Jackson, where did you read the Jazz were looking at him?
to be honest...we have lots of trade chips...and we have lots of good players
currently in the team...the only ones that i would change would be...price elson
and fes...ok i'll give fes a break coz many of you see something in him...that i
really dont...except for the 6 fouls he can give...maybe we need a guy like
him...a destroyer...the one we could pull out from the bench...and ask him to
hit a guy so hard...without flagrant fouling...lol
I read it in Hollingers insider article. He is a very intriguing prospect. He's
fast enough to guard pg's, and his wingspan alone can cause problems. It will
also allow him to guard the 2's as well. Imagine a lineup of Jimmer,
Jackson, Hayward, Favors, and Big AlJackson and Jimmer can be
interchangeable depending on the other teams lineup. O'Connor has
alot on his table, can't wait for draft day
We do NOT need to draft a big man to sit at the end of the bench and play
limited minutes behind Favors,Milsap and Jefferson. I know KOC and
Greg Miller have both said that they want to add length, I am sure they mean
adding length at the wings and guard positions because there are no big men in
this draft that will be better than what we already have on our roster. Fesenko is better then any big man in this years draft class, although
Kanter is an interesting prospect. Ante Tomic looks like he would be a very
mediocre player, he is not the best player on his team and looking at his
numbers and videos, I am not impressed at all, I think he will struggle in the
NBA, which I hate saying because I was really hoping for this guy to be a Gasol
type of player, but I dont think so at this point.If the Jazz do
draft a big man, expect a trade to be in the works involving AJ or PM, I doubt
it though, that would set us back years if that were to happen.
@Cap I understand that Millsap gets shot over some times. However, much of
Millsap's weakness on D is actually poor dribble penetration D by the guards.
Much of the pick and roll defensive problems are the design of the defense which
funnels to the middle and also the poor guard defense. The bigs are often out
of position. It makes more sense to keep Millsap until you can get
the right player. Favors is the PF of the future. The real question is if AJ is
the C of the future and who should back up AJ/Favors. I would prefer to get the
C of the future and let AJ back up Favors and a real C for 30+ minutes a game.
If the Jazz get any combo of (no order) Knight, Vesely, Thompson,
Kanter, Jones, Jimmer, Burkes or even Walker they will be better than they are
now. Lucas Nigueira is only 218 1bs. He will need 3 years to develop an
offense. Ditto for Biyombo who is only an 1-2 inches taller than Millsap.We know what we have in Millsap and have a couple of years to trade him.
Wait a while.
Bugoff: I agree, you make some good points. Is the Thompson you are mentioning
the son of Michael Thompson? I haven't watched anything on him yet. I guess I'll
have to check him out. I don't see the need to draft Kanter, Biyombo, or Lucas
if they don't plan on trading Paul or Al. We don't need to draft Vesely or
TJones if they can't play the 3, they need to show they can play the 3 and the
FO / coaches need to plan on playing them at the 3 or no deal. I'm not that high
on Burkes, I don't know what to think of Walker and I like Knight or Jimmer. The
Jackson kid from BC is an interesting player, long wing span for a pt guard.
Chad Ford seems to like Jackson and think he is a first round pick, how high I'm
not sure. The Jazz need to resign Fes.
@Jazz-NationKanter is better than Fes...so is Jonas...the only thing
Fes is ahead among the big men of this draft class is he is thick...he has a
wide frame...and that's about it...based on skills...Kanter and Jonas and
Donatas are way ahead of Fes...offensive skill wise Tomic is better
than Fes...defense...i'll give it to fes...the reason for the Gasol
comparison...on Tomic is that Tomic is smooth on offense...and has quick feet
for a big guy and can shoot on the perimeter...i think the reason
for drafting a Big would mean...we wont re-sign elson or fes...the guy would be
there to plug in 15 mins...on either PF or C position...either
way...there's a lot of free agents...and KOC could make a dozen or so
moves...and on the draft who knows...a lot of you guys bashed Hayward last
season...and look at him now...we may get some unprecedented drafts but let's
trust management on this...and let's all just speculate
Reggie Jackson I like the name but most mock drafts don't have him going in the
1st 2 rounds. Would be an interesting pickup as free agent after the draft. He
looks awfully good in his highlight real.I don't see a lot of free
agents that would help the Jazz much, Aaron Aflolo would be a great 6th man
though.I don't get what people hate so much about Fez. His foul
shooting is hard to watch but he is intimidating on D when he's in there. He is
the only guy on the team except for Evans who hasn't been given a fair shake as
far as playing time goes and all aspects of his game would greatly improve if he
was given that.
I worry that AJ is not the answer at the 5, he seriously needs to work on Boxing
out and overall defense. He has to get at least 25 points to offset his bad D.
It seams like almost every mediocre big man he defended this past year had
career nights against him. He also needs to learn to catch and shoot so as to
help the offensive flow.
Shaybo: I really like Fes and think he has a lot of potential and I agree he
hasn't been given a fair shake, if he were give 20 to 25 or more minutes, he
would improve greatly and I think you'd see the Jazz win alot more because Fes
changes the game for the better. No one else has the kind of impact Fes does. I
just don't have any faith that the coaches want to use him and develop him. I
know he's a head case but he has what we need at the center position. That said,
I'm not even sure the Jazz will try to resign him.
I agree with giving playing time to develop...i was hoping they would give that
to Hayward and Evans during the season...but for Fes...he is like a bigger
CJ...but...he is more useful...the problem is the rotation...we should have not
signed Elson last off season...if they were serious in the development of
Fes...you just dont bring people to the D-League...and say..put him there to
develop...talent wise...its very different...so if you really want to develop
young players...you should give them time...and if the young players really
wanted to develop...even if you are given just 10 mins...you should make the
coaching staff know that you deserve more...by playing all out every time...if
you are just going to dumb down...you wont get your minutes
I concur that AJ is not the answer at the 5. He has stated before that he
prefers the PF position, anyway, and despite a fair amount of blocked shots, he
is not a solid defensive presence in the post. At times, I would rather see the
Jazz trade AJ than Milsap. Milsap had some big games during the first third of
this past season, and we have to remember that Milsap, despite his height
disadvantage, gives the Lakers trouble sometimes when he is healthy. I am still
hoping to see Fes and Favors teamed together for a lot of minutes per game next
year. Fes is another player who often looked good this year when healthy.Posters: check out 2011 Mock NBA draft: Who Will Take Jimmer Fredette,
Alec Burks and Kemba Walker article from Bleacher Report.
Re last 4 posters.Fess is done in Utah, he had a golden opportunity
all of last season to step up and take Okur's minutes, but he was incapable of
doing so. He's injury prone, as good as he is on defense he is as bad on
offense, and he still smokes cigarettes. There's no conspiracy
against Fess here, the reason he's not playing is because he's not very good.AJ improved his defense a lot this last year, he still is below average,
but he shows a desire to get better and I think having an entire off season with
the Jazz will help his overall game quite a bit.You also need to
take into account that Favors is a defense presence who can guard the 4 and the
5, his game compliments AJ's perfectly.Okur should be able to
contribute well next season too; if he can give the Jazz 12 to 16 min a night
and be a scoring spark off the bench that would be a big help for this Jazz
team. I'd rather see the Jazz bring over Tomic than bring back
Using lottery picks for players to sit at the end of the bench and play limited
minutes would be a complete waist, that is why I don't think we should draft a
big man. Do I think we should sign a big man, of course, but I think
with AJ, PM, DF, and Okur coming back, the need has to be wings and guards in
the draft and pick up a big man via free agency, Dalembert maybe.If
Kanter is available, I could see him being taken by the Jazz, but no other big
man in the draft impresses me, Kanter has upside, but still a project. We have a very solid front court and a very weak back court, in fact one of
the worst back courts in the league. If we can address the shooting and
perimeter defense, this will open things up in the paint and our record next
year will prove that. I am hoping that we draft guys that can play
both sides of the floor and guys that can shoot and defend the perimeter, that
will let our current big guys do some dirty work down low.Draft
well, go Jazz!
Byron: I've been hopefull for Tomic but I'm not too optomistic lately, he hasn't
had that good of a year.Fes brings what none of the other players bring,
defense and a big body to clog the paint, everyone wants to worry about offense
and it was defense that was the Jazz biggest problem. Fes does have some
problems but the coaches didn't want to deal with them and help him work thru
them. We need some help on defense, whether it's Fes coming back or drafting
someone like Biyombo.Big Al improved in the blocked shot area but he still
is poor at pick and roll defense and that was a major problem. Defense is half
the game and everybody wants to focus only on the offensive end. The Jazz were
terrible on D last yr.
Re Captain L:Tomic is averaging 10 points 5 rebounds and shooting
50% from the field while playing 20 min a game in the Euro League this year. His
team is also in the Euro League's final 4 for the first time in 15 years. It's
not like he's playing for some scrub team, he's playing a vital role on one of
the best teams in the world outside the NBA.I saw Real play Partizan
Belgrade(the same team Jan Vesely plays for) and thought Tomic looked fantastic,
he was Real's best defender, he altered shots and showed some skill offensively.
I thought he looked more NBA ready than Vesely, although Vesely had a few
spectacular dunks.I don't think Tomic is going to be a star in the
NBA but right now he could be a solid rotation player. He is better than Fess,
and unlike Fess he went through an entire season injury free.I was
big on Fess going into this last season but he never turned the corner and he
I wish we had more tough guys that give it their all like Tony Allan or a JJ
Barea or even Ibaka. My point is that the talent selection process with KOC is
very flawed. We have a nice assortment of soft players with very little talent.
I just wonder if the scouts across the league do not touch Jefferson because he
has such defensive liabilities. Another words, our power forwards just cannot
carry this team, nor do we have a star...I think we need a ruthless assassin.
Few teams without a star ever win it all. We have lucky 2nd rounders that like
the money, then after a contract, they stop trying.
Just so everyone is aware, Ante Tomic signed a three year deal to stay over
seas, chalk it up as a loss of a 2nd round pick, Tomic is not coming to the Jazz
any time soon and the Jazz are not going to spend that much money on buying him
out in hopes of him being able to play some scrap minutes. The good news is, we
own his rights, so it's not like another NBA team can pick him up either. Bismack Biyombo is 6-9, 243,projected late first rounder NO THANKS!Donatas Motiejunas is 7-0, 224, too frail to play the 5. NO WAY!
Enes Kanter is 6-11, 262 played for KY, can play the 5,
projected to go top 4, this is the only big man in the draft that would be worth
taking w/ one of our lottery picks and the Jazz do not have a second round pick
this year.If Kanter is there at 6, we take him. Kanter is from
Turkey, so you would think that Memo would help him develop on and off the
court, if not, the Jazz look at the guards and wings.
Byronbca: I've tried to keep tract of Tomic, Chuck Nunn keeps us posted with how
he is doing and with videos of some of his games. I like Tomic, I just worry
he's too soft and can't and won't bang enough to play effective in the NBA. He
is a talented offensive player and he is tall & long, that is one of the
reasons I've had high hopes for him, but I'm not sure he wants it bad enough.
I've been a Vesely fan for the last 2 years but I'm not sure about him right now
either. If Vesely can't play the 3, we don't need him. We already own the rights
to Tomic, so I'd love to see the Jazz bring him over but I'm not sure how much
he would contribute. Fes is really the ideal center, tall, long, fairly athletic
and has the bulk to bang and control the paint, that is one of the reasons I
want to continue to have hope for him. He is the kind of center we need, we just
need him to improve.
Even though defense is a major concern and was probably the Jazz biggest
weakness, there aren't any centers (bigs) that are good enough for us to use our
lottery picks on unless the Jazz scouts/coaches/FO think Biyombo or Jonas are
worth the pick, even though they will be projects. That being said, I've always
said this yrs biggest need is the 3 spot and a pt guard for the future. I'm
alittle frustrated the more I hear about some of these players, TJones or Vesely
may not be able to play the 3, if they can't I don't see drafting them. That
would leave Leonard as probably the best option still avaialable. At point
Knight, Walker or Jimmer could be available, I'd like to hear how they all do at
some workouts. Can Jimmer play D? Can any of them be distributors, they all like
to score. I personally like Biyombo but we don't have alot of info about him.
Kanter is talented, can his knees hold up, can he play D?
first off...i thought we brought in Big Al so that he'll play the 4...but
again...he was played out of position...Favors...im not sure if he can handle
the 5...If he can...I'd want him starting with Al...Paul Millsap is good...he is
really good...but i see him playing off the bench...he should embrace the 6th
starter role...Odom embraced it and made a career out of it...so is with Manu
and Jamal Crawford...we really need a 3...i want AK coming off the bench...i
hope...we could trade some of our picks this year and try to predict the teams
that would go to the lottery next year...next year has a much better talent pool
than this year...we could probably trade the 6th pick with minnesota or some
team bound for lottery next season...we could sign Shane Battier to fill the Gap
at the 3...for the 12th pick if we cant have jimmer or knight or burks...trade
the pick again...and sign Aaron Afflalo or CDR...
if...we did get Shane Battier and resigned AK and fes or Dalembert or drafted
the brazilian...on dire situations where we need defense...we could have this
lineup during that stretch....Fes/Dalembert/BrazilianFavorsAKBattierHaywardthink about it?...6'9 guy guarding the
point...i know hayward isnt fast enough to guard the likes of
westbrook...but...if you notice this on his D...he never likes it when a guy
goes past him....he always try to be in front of his man which is a very good
trait on D...with that said...we could probably lock a team down for a few
minutes...and just run them out....we could get back on the game with this
lineup...then once comfortable sub in the guys with offensive power to boost the
run more...as Bugoff said...we need wing defenders...and they are available as
free agents...we could have them to teach the young kids...heck i'd even sign
Grant Hill...he is a better floor leader than anyone on the team...he could add
composure and grit...
Byron: Exactly when did Fes get a fair shake? What I remember is 1 game all
season he got as much as 25 minutes, that game he played outstanding with 11
points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, then it was the 5 games later before he got any
more playing time. Let me tell you something else, the Jazz would not have
beaten Denver in the first round last year without him period. then Sloan barely
used him against the Lakers. As for his offense, he has a very nice jump hook
and takes it in and slams in people's faces, also is a very good passer if you
hadn't noticed.As for AJ's defense improving, in the last game
against Denver he held the mighty Koufus to 16 (career high) including 3 put
backs that AJ could have prevented had he taken 1 step to the side and made even
a feeble attempt to box him out.
Tomic's buyout is $7 million, but the Jazz are only allowed to match $5 million
of that and Tomic would have to cover the other $2 million at least, they have
the option of paying it all up front or throughout the duration of his contract
with Real Madrid. It's a steep buyout no doubt about it, but if the
Jazz are ready to cut their losses with Fess and they believe he would be a
lottery pick this year it could be worth it. If the Jazz are willing
to give Fess one more year, or if they feel they can pick up somebody via trade
or free agency then it would be smart to let Tomic develop overseas for another
year.Re Shaybo: Fess had the entire season under 2 different head
coaches, but he failed to impress. When the Jazz did need him he was injured.
It's not some anti Fess conspiracy, he just isn't trying very hard. Fess is
still smoking cigarettes, that should tell you all you need to know about Fess's
commitment level to the Jazz.
Tomic does have a buyout Clause on his contract.
Kanter likes contact, he likes to bang, I like that about him and I would take
him over fesenko, but if Kanter is not available, then the Jazz should resign
the big guy, I like Fes, I think he needs to focus and be more aggressive in the
paint. If Fesenko was a better free throw shooter, he would average
a double double every night and command minutes, but right now he is
"hack-a-Fess", foul happy big man.so what should the Jazz
do?Throw some money at Nena' or other F/A's?.........maybe?Find a team willing to trade their big man?.........doubt it, but ya never
know? Hope Memo comes back strong?.........hmmmm???Draft
a Center?............always a risk.Bring Fesenko back?Bring in Karl Malone to help coach up all the Big's?............DING, DING,
DING, we have a winner!I seriously think that the Jazz could use a
guy like the Mailman to help the big guys develop into All-stars. Any thoughts?
Jazz need to draft outside shooters only, that's where their weakest, opposing
teams pack the inside because they don't respect the Jazz's outside shooting.
Hayward and Memo are the only ones you can count on to hit the open 3, and that
is providing Memo makes a comeback. CJ will hit them every 3rd or 4th game if he
happens to be on.
Hate to contradict myself but I just watched a couple of more highlight reels of
this kid Lucas Nogueira and WOW what an upside. Not only is he a prolific shot
blocker, he is intelligent with them, doesn't just slam it out of bounds. He
also shows a lot of basketball instincts with his passing and using either hand.
I like what they stand to get with the #6 and #12 picks but maybe
could trade CJ or Memo for late 1st or early 2nd rounder to pick him up. He
could be great in a couple of years. Biyumbo could be another one to look at in
that pick range.
In a week and a half things will get interesting once we find out where the Jazz
will pick. I'm still not sold that the Jazz will draft two players this year
unless they store one in europe. With two potential picks next year and three
NBA sophmores, how many young players do you want on your roster? Outside of Favors PF and Hayward SG-ideal size and length for their positions,
no one on this roster should be safe. Harris is solid at the point.
Other than that, I like Milsap as a back up, AJ-I like with a legit defensive
center which we don't have. I like Favors at PF if we had a scoring center-not
AJ who is a 4. These pieces don't fit. KO you got your work cut out for you!!
Jefferson & Milsap for P GASOL. Go DALLAS!!!
How about Jefferson & Milsap for M Gasol? He's younger.
Dr Truth: I 2nd the Go Dallas. Here is the problem with Jefferson with a legit
defensive center....your starting power forward is going to be Favors and rather
than using AJ as a backup you might as well trade him and get something out of
him. The only free agent centers that fit the bill are Mark Gasol and Chandler.
i wont trade Al Jeff and Millsap for Pau...that would be stupid...you got two
young guys...and you are trading for a guy who's at the downside of his
career....you'd want Jevale Mcgee(backup at best) or the brazilian kid Lucas
Nogueira shaybo talked about....you have a legit starting PF with favors...a guy
i think can be a go to guy on Hayward...all we need is a good wing that could
stroke it....if you would look at the lakers - dallas series....dallas has a lot
of outside shooters....
Looks like TJones has decided to stay in school, again that just weakens this
draft. It will be very interesting to see how the Jazz choose to play things.
They may go for Euro players , big questions. Vesely, Biyombo, Donatas(sp),
Jonas, or maybe Jimmer, Knight, Leonard, Tobias Harris (Tenn.), Burke, even
though pickins are getting thin, I think they should be able to get a couple of
good players, how good, big question.
its going to be jimmer and the brazilian...bank on it...lol
This draft is very weak, particularly outside the top 4 picks (Irving,
Dwilliams, Kanter and Jonas V). The odds of the Jazz getting better than 5 are
not good. Who could we get at our current spots that are that much
better than D-league talent at a fraction of the cost? I don't
think the teams in the top 3-4 would trade down, even for multiple picks due to
the dilution in talent. As others have said, getting two new
rookies with the other young talent we have tilts it non-verteran to an extreme,
particularly for a new coach. With this in mind, I am increasingly
in favor of drafting potential, particularly if you could stash them overseas
for a year. This would give the Jazz $3M+ towards a FA and allow the draftee to
get an extra year of experience, even if there is a lockout.My
Having watched vids of Vessely, Biyombo and Niguero (the Brazlian center), I
like Biyombo the best. I think he has the most potential. He can block with
either hand, passes to an open player after a rebound well (although he looks to
dunk when passed to). He is 1 inch shorter than Ibaka, but has several inch
longer arms and weighs more, making him a bigger presence in the paint. If you
compare their stats in the ACB (best league outside NBA), they are amazingly
similar. Ibaka is the better shooter, but Biyombo the better blocker. Ibaka
was stashed in Spain for a year, played about 18 min per game his first year in
NBA, and now plays nearly 30 mins. Biyombo could follow same pattern. Noguira barely played in the Portland Nike Summit game, with Biyombo taking
all of his minutes. He playes in a middle Brazlian league, and does so so.
Biyombo is a leading rebounder and leads in blocks in the best league outside of
the NBA. Vessely doesn't dribble under control, is thin and not
very strong, and a bad shooter- even from free throw line. Energetic dunker,
ljust ike Evans.
Who to sign this offseason? If not Fes, then I say Aaron Gray. We
need a cheap big guy. Gray could be better as he is at least somewhat of an
offensive threat if left open. NO can't afford anything. I'd say $2M.Watson= $1.5M.CJ @ $3.7M, a good bargain and hopefully turns
corner.That's 11 players at nearly $60M. Stash Biyombo
and his $3M+ contract overseas. Keep the #12 pick (about $2M). We
need 2 more players. Other than AK, I think these are the best SG/SF
available:Wilson Chandler-restrictedArron Afflalo-restricted (can
Denver keep both?)Thaddeus YoungTayshaun Prince.Each is
going to cost you $5M-$8M per year. Pick up a D-Leaguer as a combo
guard for $500k. Roster set for year at a cost of nearly $70M.
Re LAJazzFan: I like alot of what you said, I'm pretty high on Biyombo, I'd like
to see more but what I saw, I really liked. I like your reasoning about why he
would be a good pick. Biyombo brings what we need, defense, rebounding and
blocked shots. Plus he is a hustle type player, (Mathews type) gotta love
them.I think they need to look at trading their 12th pick towards a 18 to
20 pick and draft the point guard from BC, I think his name is Jackson ?, he's
6'3 with a 7' wing span and Chad Ford thinks he's a player, mid first rounder,
we may even have to use the 12th pick on him to get him if his stock rises
because of good workouts. I also like Jimmer and think he has alot more upside
than people think.I like the idea of drafting for potential, as there
aren't any sure fire top players in this draft.
im still not sold on Biyombo though...could he be tougher than Ben Wallace? or
could he be a Ben Wallace type of player (during Ben Wallace's time)...if he
does...then he is worth the pick...but he should be strong enough to contain the
power of players like Dwight Howard...and the speed and quickness to guard
finesse players...also its not just blocking shots...Bill Russell once
said...for a blocked shot to be successful you must recover the ball after
swatting it...we should also consider Biyombo's ability to play help
defense..and rotate on screens...you can't measure everything on a block shot
stat or a steal stat...so for now...im just going to speculate...which is fun
doing...and whoever KOC brings in...im sure it'll be the best for the
team...remember we did drafted Mo Williams and Nazr Mohammed before...
I'm not that sold on Biyombo, especially with the #6 pick. He is a nice looking
player but he is not 6'9", he's closer to 6'7" and not big enough to
play center and a project, having said that, do you want to use that high a pick
on someone to back up Favors? The Jazz need outside shooters. After watching
Nogueira I think he has the most upside to be a starting center but that's down
the road and I wouldn't even pick him as high as the #12.
@shayboi'd draft the brazilian at 12...if its based on
potential...and the lack of talent on this draft...we might draft jimmer at 6...
I don't know why you don't think he is 6'9, his measurements were 6'73/4"
without shoes and 6'9 with shoes. That is how most players are measured and they
are listed to the height they are measured with shoes. I haven't watched the
young Brazilian but he is several years down the road from what I have read and
Biyombo can come in a contribute now, at least on the defensive end and he has
potential on offense, he will just have to develop that part of his game, he
hasn't even been playing very long. We need defensive help, everyone wants to
draft for offense, which is OK but there isn't any great talent available.
Potentially Biyombo is about as good as they come in this draft. Nogueira is
also a player with potential but he is so skinny, he will take quit awhile to
develop, if he does. If we can't get Knight at 6, then I like the idea of
drafting Jimmer. Tobias Harris may not even be too bad a pick. At least he is
skilled and talented with potential.
@Captain Lboth Biyombo and the Brazilian are at least 2-3 years
away...its just that...Biyombo got the hype during his triple double
effort...scouts should still take a look at him...but still...a lot of question
marks on the draft...after the top 3 picks...
Captain, I'm going to have to measure myself again, here all this time I thought
I was 6'2" i must have been 6'4". Seriously though you need to go on
youtube and check this Lucas Nogueira out before you make a judgement, he's just
as or more impressive to me than Biyombo. Check out the video of him standing
while holding onto the rim. Your right though their both 2-3 years away and you
really can't use a lottery pick for someone that can't give you immediate help.
@shayboat this year's draft...i dont think there is one outside the
top 4 can contribute...so i'd rather gamble on the 12th...
There is absolutely no possible way that the Jazz use lottery picks to stash
players over seas. I am glad we have KOC managing the draft and not some of you
Jazz fans. The Jazz would always be willing to stash a second rounder, their
contracts are not guaranteed, but NEVER afirst rounder or lotto pick for that
matter.The Jazz have two options. Use the draft picks on guys who
will be able to come in and contribute right away, or use the draft picks and
trade for a young veteran to come in and help right away.Either way,
the thought is going to be, lets get better now, not, lets get better in 3 years
from now.The Jazz drafted Air Gordon to be a guy that they could
slowly develop, but it turned out that this team needed him right away and Air
Gordon proved he was better then a project pick. Looking forward to
the new CBA and the new NBA season!GO JAZZ!
@Jazz-Nation-What would you trade for a Serge Ibaka or Ben Wallace?
That is Biyombo's realistic potential from what I have read and seen.Why stash him overseas? Thunder did it with Ibaka for 1 year, played him
limited minutes last year, and he is a major minutes defensive presence this
year. Moreover, there is a 50/50 chance that there will not be a
season next year, or a shortened one. Biymobo gets to play and develop in Spain
for another year during that, while the college kids sit around and don't get
paid (which is why many of them dropped out of the draft this year).Nigoura is skinny and at least 2-3 years away from the NBA, although he could
be good then. We just can't wait that long. Okur is gone in a year, and
Milsap's and AJ's contracts are up in two. Truth is, we won't know
until we hear back from the pre-draft workouts and perhaps evena year or two
into the kid's career. However, in a weak draft everything outside of about 3
players is a gamble this year.
I don't think you can say the Jazz will never draft a player that may need a yr
or 2 overseas to develop, it depends on the player and what they think of him, I
really like Biyombo and would easily take him at 12 and maybe even at 6
depending on who was left on the board. I like everything I have read and seen
about Biyombo. I would take Knight at 6 and maybe Vesley other than those 2,
Biyombo may be my next pick. I hope we could get Biyombo or Jimmer at 12. I'm
thinking that Tobias Harris (Tenn) may be a good pick. Very talented.
the brazilian may be 2-3 years away...but we have a lot of guys on the 4-5
spot...so developing him overseas would be beneficial...i mean a 7 footer...who
blocks a lot of shots...if we drafted him...he'd be overseas for the year...and
after memo's contract is over...the brazilian could come in..and get limited
minutes...until he develops...he would develop quicker if he'd be given minutes
around 10 a game..in the NBA...i know the D-League is to develop players...but
how can you develop them if the talent is so far apart...
CaptainL: A very limited offensive player, I just can't see him in the lottery,
he would be just like Collins, Ostertag, Eaton, Brewer, etc. Back off and double
team someone else because they can't shoot.
Biyombo may be limited offensively but that doesn't mean he can't develop his
offensive game, Biyombo is much different than Eaton or Ostertag or Collins,
they were slow, unathletic bigs, BB is athletic, quick, fast, has hops, runs
well, has offensive potential. Brewer is a wing that couldn't shoot from the
outside, BB is an inside player with good strength, hops, mobility, etc, etc, I
don't see that he is anything like those players you listed. We need a player
that can clog the middle and plays smart. BB could do that, he is active,
hardworking, alot like Mathews but he's a big. Time will tell & I know
he is a bit of a risk because his offensive game hasn't developed yet but he
hasn't played basketball that long. If there were alot of sure fire
starters/possible allstars in this draft it would be different but there isn't
and BB is a good risk, IMO. I watched some of the Brazilian and I'm not
that impressed, he's not nearly as athletic as BB, he's long, but weak,
timewilltell with him too but there's lessriskwith BB.
@Captain Lim not really sold on Biyombo...unless..he really becomes
a Ben Wallace...all we need is a big that could anchor the defense...but another
undersized C? he should be stronger than dwight howard...and should have some
serious hops...if not i'd rather trade the pick for Jevale Mcgee...since they
are both of the same mold...
Kakashi: You say you like the Brazilian but he's not nearly as good as BB, he's
taller but that's it, no comparison at this point, BB is being compared to
Ibaka, I'd take that kind of player anyday, BB may be shorter, but he's got a
7'7" wingspan and then you add to that how active, mobile, aggressive he is
and that is the kind of player we need. Remember Defense is our need. The
Brazilian may end up a good player but so far he's not close, unless there are
some video's I havent seen, he's just potential at this point. BB has a good
body, and is the top shotblocker in the best league in the world outside the NBA
and one of the top rebounders. He hasn't even been playing the game that long.
The Jazz probably won't even look to draft him but to me he's what we need,
unless they plan to bring back Fes and bring Tomic over and neither of them play
like BB. If we don't sign Fes or Elson, we need some bigs.
@Captain Lyou do know the brazilian is under 20 right?...plus the
log jam at 4-5 with AL Jeff Millsap Okur and Favors and if they signed fes...you
say we need bigs...i agree but a 6'9 undersized center...if he isnt as powerful
as dwight howard...what's the point?...also comparisons are vague...Darius Miles
was compared to Kevin Garnett when he was drafted...so right now...Biyombo is
also only has potential...like every other rookie....they only have
potential...i mentioned this when everyone is bashing Hayward and i was
defending him...plues he would probably end up...playing the PF position...like
Ibaka...I'd rather trade the 12th pick for Jevale Mcgee...i do understand that a
defensive big doesnt grow on trees...but right now...i'd rather have a defensive
I know BB is short when it comes to centers but his length makes him as long or
longer than most any center in the league, his physical atributes are not bad
for an 18 yr old,(if his age is right), 4.8% body fat, 243lbs, athletic/strong,
the thing I like about BB is his activity level, hustle, attitude/ work ethic.
Plus he is proving he can play at a high level by the way he is playing in the
top Euro league and being near the top in rebounds and the top shot blocker. We
need that kind of player. The Brazilian doesn't show me the same
effort/hustle/work ethic, plus he's several years away from filling out enough
to be able to contribute, if he ever fills out. It would be nice to trade a
pick, end up with a later pick that we could get the Brazilian, just don't like
him in the lottery.
Captain L, I think I agree with you probably more than anyone else who
contributes to these posts but I'm with Kakashi on this one for this reason; the
hardest thing to find and acquire in the NBA and the most crucial to winning is
a true center that can play at a high level. This brazilian kid is 18 years old
and still filling out and has some nice basketball instincts which tells me he
will have a great chance to develop and if your taking a chance on someone it
should be one who could help you in the biggest way. Also Center is a position
you can get by without being a great shooter. I seriously think you put too much
stock in long arms.That being said if Jimmer were there at the 12th
pick I would pick him for sure over either one of them.
Shaybo: I'm not disagreeing with you, I too know center is the hardest position
to fill with the type of player we need. If this young Brazilian matures and
fills out and has a good motor, he'd be a great pick. I just really like what BB
brings to the game, his motor, energy, length, attitude, desire etc reminds me
of Mathews in a front court player. Like I said, if the Jazz FO like the
Brazilian I'd love to see them make some moves and try to get him later in the
first round. I'm not against him, I just like BB more at the present. Time will
tell. I too like Jimmer.This would be my preference in picks if
available, #6 Knight or Vesely, maybe Leonard (he's moving up the boards), with
the 12th pick, Jimmer(if we didn't pick Knight) Leonard (if available & we
didn't pick Vesely), Tobias Harris sounds interesting if we dont' get Vesely or
Leonard. I think we need a 3 man and either a pt guard for the future or a big
like BB or Brazilian.
@Captain Lyou know not every hustle player is a matthews
type...there's no such thing as a matthews type...maybe a hustle player but
matthews is not a type...he is another player...unique in his own way...like
there wont be another jordan...stockton...magic...karl malone...so its better to
say that he is a hustle player...also...right now...there's a jam on the 4-5
spots...Al Jeff Favors Millsap Okur and Fes if resigned...also if AK is
resigned...he would probably get some minutes there too...if they really wanted
a big...they should move some players to provide a roster spot
I like Vesely with #6 but I wouldn't take Knight quite that high, I rate him
right there with Jimmer at the #12. I still feel that Harris will be much better
next year after he has a chance to settle in so I think Jimmer would be the
better choice with his instant offense backing up Harris and Hayward at
times.I haven't seen much of Tobias Harris but I really don't think
Leonard is a good fit for the Jazz, he is even more undersized than Milsap at
the #4 and is not a good enough shooter for the #3.
The more I have read about Tobias, the more he sounds like a real possibility at
the 12 spot if we don't draft a 3 at the 6.I only like Vesely if he can
play the 3, we don't need him if he ends up being a 4.
All of the scouting reports i've seen project him as a #3, I would be very happy
if they ended up with him and Jimmer
Can't wait to hear some reports about workouts and how some of these kids
show.I guess there is always a chance we could move up (or down) depending
on the ping pong balls. Ford is going around watching some of these kids at some
of the gyms they are working out at, Leonard has been looking good, showing much
improved outside shot. Gym rat, hard worker. Kanter is looking good. Haven't
heard much about too many other kids.
Kanter could be another guy like Memo and AK that's on the disabled list half
the time, he has bad knees.
we need wing defenders...we get killed by the three...i hope Ty changes the
defense...to defend the outside a bit more...
We had a wing defender with Brewer but he killed us because other teams didn't
respect his outside shot, Veseley is supposed to be very good at defending
outside shooters because of his quickness and length. No matter how much they
say about Leonard's improvement from outside, I will believe it when I see it. I
am more inclined to think it's hype to raise his draft status.
let's trade our draft picks for next year's draft picks...who knows we might get
3 lottery picks next season...with a better selection of players....