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  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 30, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    The Jazz defense is obsolete going back to the time when they had a big body at C. It was designed for Eaton and Otag and has been obsolete and also bad since that time. The design dates back to before the 3 point shot.

    The D has to be totally rethought, and then adjusted to the strengths of the core players and modernized for the current game and opponents.

    The game has changed. Shaq plays limited minutes and Ming is gone. ORL has an athletic big but no behemoth. MIL has Bogut but they are not even making the playoffs. LA has Bynum (some of the time). They are about the only team that has a big C and Gasol and Odom are probably more important.

    The Jazz approach to D is out dated, obsolete and dysfunctional. In 2009/10 the Jazz scored 104.2 (4th) and allowed 98.9 (12th). This year they scored (99.4) (15th) and allowed (101.3) (19th). In 2008/09 they allowed 101.9 (18th). In 2007/08 they allowed 99.3 (13th).

    Dribble penetration defense was among the worst in the NBA. It starts with the guards.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    April 30, 2011 11:28 p.m.

    Oh man, so much to comment about....this should've split into like 5 articles...oh well.

    Who do they bring back?
    AK, Fes, Watson. AK much lower price (~6-7 Mil)

    CJ, Elson, and Price seem like they're out. I don't want Fes back, but you can't ignore how tall and beastly he can be. He does have an impact on the game by just running down the other end.

    Who do they draft?
    Kawahi Leonard for the second pick . He's gotten a lot of raves about his work ethic and has a background that would motivate him to be the best. Plus he's a SF with double doubles in rebounds and points...you don't see that often.

    Not sure about the 6th pick....Jan Vesley is intriguing because of his hieght, but meh....I say trade the 6th pick to fill another hole...get Maynor!

  • netmaster Farmington, UT
    April 30, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    This is an excellent analysis and reflects what I have seen.

    I think Ronnie Price just can't shoot well enough. He gets tense, his release changes constantly, he holds at the top of his jump too much and doesn't get enough consistent inertia from his legs and body. I have not seen him improve. He also makes too many turnovers per minute. Let him go and pick up a real shooter. Jimmer could work. Or go to Europe and talk Jaycee Carroll from Utah State into coming here to play. Jaycee is one of the finest shooters I've ever seen with a quick release, 40" vertical leap, great work ethic, excellent rebounding skill for a 6'2" guy and great at shooting off curls -- ideal for the Jazz. Carroll has led his league in Europe for three straight years.

    I like Fesenko. He is getting better. His attitude has improved. He is not taking so many stupid shots. He is learning to go strong to the hole, and his defense is fine for a big buy. We can't give up on him now. He needs coaching from a center.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 1, 2011 1:58 a.m.

    really? Maynor?...he isnt the answer...plus we do have watson...i'd rather have hinrich than maynor...Bugoff is right...you need to have good wing defenders...i was pulling for a trade for tony allen during the season...we need a stopper at the Point..and i dont think there is one right now that is available...

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    May 1, 2011 6:37 a.m.

    package CJ & one pick for a better pick or an established SG or C
    resign Fes for 2 years with a T/O on the third year as everyone knows big guys do take longer to develop & mature - he still is only 24 - we have already invested 4 years & $ on him

    say goodbye - Price, Elson

    Trade options for Memo

    Sign AK for 4/5 million - 3 years
    Sign Watson 1 year with T/O on second one

    Draft best player available - if not fit team - trade them for something that does fit.

    I would look at most trades for any players but Favors & Hayward

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    May 1, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    Let cj go...lets try something else.

    AK could stay....but at a minimal price...if he will agree.

    I think Price & Elson can both go as well. I like both of them especially Price...but we have Watson and Elson is likely not in our future.

    Keep Watson and Fess. Watson is great and Fess's dimensions are too large to let go...at this point.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    Center: I want to know more about Tomic. I think he is the lynchpin to whatever the Jazz decide to do this year. If they get him, they are set at center. They can easily get 48 minutes out of Tomic, Memo and AJ.

    PF: Too much talent at one position. I think you have to stay with Favors in first back-up role with the idea that he becomes the starter in 2012. So what do you do with AJ and Sap? I think one of them should be traded (with other assets if necessary) to get a wing.

    SF/SG (wings): Hayward has talent and should become a starter pretty soon. CJ needs to start for his own confidence. With those names, it's obvious the Jazz need help on the wings. Bell is a good locker-room presence and can give reserve minutes but his time is past. AK would be a great pick-up at the mid-level exception.

    PG: I like the Harris/Watson combo but the Jazz need to draft the PG of the future.

    As a team, bugoff has it right. Perimeter defense is a bigger problem than interior defense.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Possible depth chart for 2011-2012:

    C: Tomic, AJ, Memo

    PF: AJ, Favors, Memo, Evans

    SF: Hayward, CJ, AK

    SG: starter (acquired by trade or free agency), Bell, CJ

    PG: Harris, rookie PG (acquired in draft), Watson (Note: I'd let the rookie be the first one off the bench to get him playing time in meaningful situations but Watson should get more minutes.)

    ROSTER
    Tomic
    Jefferson
    Okur
    Favors
    Evans
    Hayward
    Miles
    Kirilenko
    TBD (starting SG or SF)
    Bell
    Harris
    TBD (rookie PG of the future)
    Watson

    That's 13 players. If the Jazz go with the league-permitted 15, I'd add a front-court presence (Fes?) and a perimeter defensive stopper.

    I've agonized over trading Millsap but he's too small to guard the better PFs in the league (backed up by statistics from 2010-2011 season) and I believe he is too slow to guard the better SFs in the league (this group includes guys like Lebron and Pierce). He's a hot commodity and I think the Jazz could get real value for him in a trade. He's redundant at PF and the Jazz really need help elsewhere.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 1, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    I agree that Milsap may be the best trade chip the Jazz have, the idea of trading Paul isn't fun, but may be a good decision business wise. Favors and Big Al should start and get the most minutes at the 4&5. Tomic is long and tall but he's not that good on the defensive end, he's not a shot blocker, rebounds OK, nothing great, not sure he can hold his own down low, needs more weight & muscle. I'd like to look into Biyombo more to see if he would be worth drafting, he's the defensive presence we need. I'd love to see Fes brought back, I think it will be a last minute signing just like last year if they do.
    I don't know why so many people think the Jazz need a 2, both Hayward and CJ are best at the 2, every coach/FO manager want to get taller, longer and more athletic at every position, Hayward & CJ can play the 3 but are undersized and overmatched alot at the 3, at the 2 they give the Jazz the advantage of height&length etc. The Jazz needA3inthedraft.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 1, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    A point guard for the future is also a need to fill in this draft, Knight or Jimmer would be my choices.
    TJones, Leonard, Vesley would be the 3's I'd look close at to see who would be the best.
    Kanter is very skilled but he's more of a 4 (he wants to play 4) and his knees are a question.
    Jonas is too skinny/lightweight, Biyombo is very interesting, watching him, he could be a good backup to Favors and Big Al. He plays with tremendous energy and intensity and that is valuable, especially for a big. His 7'7 wingspan makes him like a long 7 footer.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    May 1, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Bullet responses:

    1: Hayward proved at the end of the year he's the long-sought SG the Jazz have needed. Can both defend the likes of Kobe and score against them. DUH!

    2: Favors' shot-blocking and rebounding at season's end shows if he gets enough playing time, that alone improves the Jazz defense.

    4: Bring back AK, Fes, and Watson. Forget Price and Elson.

    5: Let CJ hang around without changing anything. He'll be Hayward's backup. Then decide whether to extend or just let go.

    6: Waste a high draft pick on a non-superstar big man and the Jazz will continue to wander in mediocrity.

    8: Forget Tomic, unless he's cheap. Haven't heard much good about him other than size.

    10: DUH! Use first pick on The Jimmer, or the Jazz will be sorry. He's a future superstar. The Jazz currently don't have one, except Hayward might become one--just a maybe there. Harris can't lead the team very deep in the playoffs--he's a poorman's Iverson.

    Outside of Jimmer, the draft is pretty slim pickens for a team that needs a PG leader.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    May 1, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    I love reading these comments, pretty good thoughts by all. Tomic just signed a big contract with Real. I think it would be tough to get him to SLC.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    May 1, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    Enes Kanter is a "beast" at 18. Dad wants him to stay at Kentucky and sue the NCAA. The Jazz need to build around Favors. I like Fez and he just has not been coached. Bring in Malone to get involved. They could trade up from 12 with a draft choice for next year to offer. The Lakers have their "bigs" back in the game and are going to the NBA finals. The Jazz need to match up bigs. Tomic may help. The best scenario is to get lucky in the lottery or trade up for the two Kentucky jewels in Kanter and Knight. Height and a good point guard are priorities. Miles is too controversial. Kirilenko appears to have "eaten out of the same apple" as D-Wil and Miles. The jury is still out on Corbin. He has good blood lines from DePaul and Ray Meyer. We shall see.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 1, 2011 5:19 p.m.

    AK usually a fan favorite has given the Jazz all that he can. Would you hire someone who has proven by numbers they will be there only 75% of the time and part of that time will be getting back into shape after his next injury? Nobody can afford to pay somebody and not count on them.

    I will also go against the numbers here by saying the team does not need Fes. They can trade of draft someone who can match up better with Favors or AJ. The team cannot depend on Fes except to miss free throws and to still foul out early when he has to play. His upside is a flatline.

    I like Devin Harris and I think if the Jazz can acquire players who can hit (that excuses Bell, CJ, Price, Elson, and more recently Okur) that his assists will increase and the team will benefit from his experience.

    I like the kid from San Diego as he seems to have the athleticism the Jazz like, defends hard and usually gets his numbers.

    The Jazz have had a huge payroll and after they disperse the above named players their potential should rise.

  • Dave from Taylorsville Taylorsville, UT
    May 1, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    The comments here have been very knowledgable. If were in Jazz management I'd consider having an open forum with several of you to get some input.

    But it wasn't until "WhatsInItForMe | 10:22 a.m. May 1, 2011" that I saw the light I wanted to see. Jimmer! This guy is the real deal. I don't ANYONE on the Jazz (maybe Hayward or maybe Miles) who have the "spark," the "fifth element," that the Jazz or any team needs to take it all the way.

    The Jazz have lots of the cogs needed, for sure some more need to be in place before they move back up into contention. Jefferson is a key as well. But, the best thing out there that would bolster up the Jazz in many ways is, Jimmer. (I can't believe that Jimmer is not in the Des News Spell Checker.)

  • TRUEBLUEFAN Logan, Utah
    May 1, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    If the Jazz could get a consistent 3 shooter or two, that would be nice. I think the two beat options would be Jimmer and Jaycee Carroll.Both of them know how to shoot the lights out and would be a nightmare for defenders. Maybe try to trade Bell for a fairly big SF. TRADE MEMO!!!! Maybe for a draft pick or something but just trade him! Get 'rid of Miles, Elson, and Price. Maybe a mid-major star like Tai Wesley may work.

    Everyone, this is how the roster should be...flat out...

    PG: Harris, Watson, PG(From Draft)
    SG: Hayward, Jimmer, Carroll
    SF: Millsap, A.K., (person from Bell Trade)
    PF: Favors, Evans, Wesley
    C: Jefferson, Fes, (person from Memo trade)

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    May 1, 2011 10:43 p.m.

    @ joe5

    get out of here Atomic starting C pleeeeeease.... I mean could minutely possible but I highly doubt.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    May 1, 2011 11:01 p.m.

    Every NBA champion in the last 20 years has had a 2 guard as one of their three best players. The Jazz haven't had a 2 as one of their top three players since Hornacek retired.

    George Karl said the Jazz are only a player or two from being a legit contender, so the Jazz let Matthews go because his contract was too big -- at the same time the Millers were building a brand new dealership in Ogden. I love the Millers and appreciate their sacrifices for the team. At the same time, much of their fortune has been built on the good will they've received from being Jazz owners. I think it is time for them to step up.

    Watson is a great, fiery backup 1. Fes has potential and NBA champions need length. Start Favors. Millsap is a GREAT sixth man, but he isn't long enough to to take the team to the top and is statistically one of the worst on-ball defenders in the NBA as a result. Injuries or not AK is one of the top 10 on-ball defenders. Keep him, and get a different trainer. CJ lacks heart.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    May 2, 2011 1:20 a.m.

    Draft Jimmer with the #12 pick. Bring him along during the first year and determine where he best fits. We need his 3 point shooting and his determination. He is a SG in a PG's body, but will be valuable on the 2nd unit along with Milsap at PF for the first year. Trade up with the #6 pick using CJ, and Price or Bell or Momo. Get the best player we can with that pick. It would be great if it could be a SF, but whatever. Keep Fes, but hire a retired center, a good one, to work his butt off. If he won't work, trade him at the first opportunity. AK seems to be having the same problems as Boozer had. Offer him the mid-level exception - if he won't take it, let him go. We already overpaid him once, but shouldn't again. I think this would give us a great team,with these few changes. We'll need a little luck also. Go Jazz.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    May 2, 2011 5:50 a.m.

    Keep Fes & Watson. Hope AK agrees to stay with a big paycut. Don't draft the SD small forward Leonard...even a local SD paper said he is not first round draft material. I'm just starting to hear more on the long-armed, high energy Biyombo. Intriguing guy. Draft Burks, too. He is a penetrator and good defender. Horny can help him with his jump shot.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    May 2, 2011 7:41 a.m.

    It will be hard to trade Memo this year, even though he has an expiring salary. However, it may happen at the trade deadline, solely as a salary dump by some team. GMs are looking at Elton Brand to assess how Memo might recover from his injury--and Brand has not recovered that well.

    It will also be hard to trade Bell, with two more years left on his contract and last year's performance that makes him look well past his prime.

    I also don't believe too many teams will be interested in either of the Jazz's draft picks this year in a weak draft.

    The only realistic tradeable assets the Jazz will have is CJ (if re-signed) and Millsap, and the Jazz may choose to keep them both, at least for this year.

    Every time I have watched Tomic on video, he has looked too "soft" to have an impact in the NBA. At best, I think he will be a mediocre backup C/PF. If the Jazz can trade him, they should.

    I expect the Jazz to try to re-sign AK, Watson, Miles and Fesenko.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    May 2, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    I hope the team can re-sign Fesenko for a cheap contract. His progess has been slow, but he has made progress. When he first came to the Jazz, he had no court sense to speak of. He was always out of position to be effective on defense or to get rebounds. He has improved immensely in that respect. He has always been a fairly good passer and has continued to improve in that respect. Early last season, he showed flashes of offense, but did not get enough playing time during the season to really develop his offense better, due to weird injuries and being out of shape.

    Memphis has recently showed in the playoffs that it is a team to reckon with for the next few years. The Jazz needs to have size to deal with LA, Memphis, Sacramento and a few other teams. It would be shortsighted to let Fesenko go, and then not have anyone to deal with big players like Marc Gasol and Andrew Bynum, especially when he can be signed for such a small salary by NBA standards.

    If the Jazz can get Fesenko to work on his foul shots, he could be very valuable.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    May 2, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    It is clear that a big center with defensive skills can be very valuable in the playoffs. Atlantic conquered Orlando because of Jason Collins--who would have thought. That's why the Jazz need to re-sign Fesenko.

    It is difficult to figure out who the Jazz might take in the draft. However, Jazz fans should not expect the Jazz draft picks to have much impact for several years, if at all. The only players in the draft that might be able to step in and an immediate starter are Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams--but then, only on teams who need someone at their positions. The Jazz will probably not move up in the draft to take either of those players, so the Jazz will really be looking at "role" players with its picks. The Jazz will most likely get a backup point guard, such as Knight, Walker or Fredette, and a backup SF, such as Jones, Leonard or Vesely. Bismack Biyombo is also interesting, mostly because of his competiveness to go along with his length and athleticism.

    Next year's Jazz team will probably look a lot like the team the Jazz had at year's end.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    May 2, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    Why is the decision so tough? we need the same thing we`ve needed for years,a 2 and a 5.period,Hayward may be the 2,and Favors possibly the 5 but I doubt it,he`s probably a pf.send miles,raja,elson packin,Memphis and OKCalong with Portland are the future in the west

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    I really like what I have seen of Biyombo, but that has been limited and alot more needs to be seen, but I like the possiblities. I think trading Milsap could get us the most for our money and drafting Biyombo would give us someone with alot of potential, a hard worker, good attitude, long(7'7wingspan), rebounder, shotblocker, defensive minded.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 9:24 a.m.

    Hayward is the future at the 2, he was looking real good at the end of the season and he should continue to improve. Favors IMO, is the future at the 4, Big Al can fill the 5 for now but a longer, more defensive minded center needs to be found. A point guard for the future needs to be found also and Knight or Jimmer could be what we need. I think Jimmer can become a good point guard, he has always been asked to score, if he is asked to distribute, I think he will show he can be that kind of a player.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    May 2, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Harris is a very good player and the Jazz point guard of the future. The only way the Jazz would replace him in the near future is if they could get a perenial all-star for not-too-much-more money or a player just as good for cheaper. Therefore, the Jazz are only looking for a backup PG at this time. Knight, Fredette, Walker and Burks all have potential to be good backup point (or combo) guards for the Jazz. Watson is also a keeper for the next few years.

    The Jazz could upgrade at the SG. Hayward looks like the shooting guard of the future. However, unless the Jazz can trade for someone like Iguodala, or sign Jason Richardson, it looks like any SG they sign will only be a backup.

    The Jazz are weak at SF. The Jazz really need to re-sign Kirilenko or sign Tayshaun Prince. Earl Clark is a nice, long, athletic, young player who might be good in the future.

    If the Jazz could sign Kenyon Martin for cheap, they could afford to trade Millsap.

    There are good free agent centers this year, but most will be too expensive for the Jazz.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    I don't think the Jazz would even consider Kenyon Martin, he's got too many problems.
    Earl Clark is an interesting possiblity, I like his skills & his size but wonder about his drive and determination.
    Harris has to show me he can put being a creator for his teammates before I'll be satisfied he can be the pt of the future, he looks to score first too much right now, I think the Jazz may look at Knight, Jimmer or even Walker to back up Harris and be groomed to take his place.
    From GMillers comments on ksl, I think the Jazz will be looking to find AK's replacement, in the draft I like TJones and Vesely with Leonard as a dark horse pick. I only like Jones & Vesely though if they can play the 3.
    I would look at possibly trading Milsap, his value is at its' highest and maybe we could get a Granger type 3, then look into drafting Biyombo to be the 3rd big, he would bring defense, rebounding, shotblocking, hustle, he's young, good upside. Jazz weaknesses last yr, defense & rebounding.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 2, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Draft Burks with the 6th pick, he is going to be the steal of the draft, a Wes Mathews type of game and lord knows we need a shooting guard that can create, defend the 3, work both sides of the court.
    Draft Jimmer with the 12th pick if he is still there. I would rather see Jimmer coming off the bench next year rather then Watson or Price any day.
    Bring AK back for the veteran minimum, he already said money is not an issue. The people that say AK should make 6-7 mill are insane, try 2 or 3 people. Have AK come off the bench.
    Bring Fes back, he is better then any of bigs in the draft. Maybe flip a coin on CJ? I say bring CJ back, he will improve next year just by learning from his mistakes from this past season.
    Drafting Burks and Jimmer would give us shooting and upgrade our back court and this would make us a playoff team again, no question about it.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    May 2, 2011 2:39 p.m.

    If Hayward and Favors are any indication of what KO is looking for it's size, length and athleticism/speed at each position. Sorry Jimmer, you don't fit the bill. Burks, Knight, Vesely, Leonard, Motiejunas, Jones, Honeycutt? More along the lines of the new KO, not the Sloan KO...Which is why AK and likely CJ will be back. IMO you don't trade away your superstar to pick a slow white guy with limited defense in the lottery. Milsap, I'd be worried if I were you unless you can play alot at the 3 spot......because you don't fit the bill at the 4!

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    May 2, 2011 3:01 p.m.

    Jimmer will not be available with the 12th pick and AK is not going to sign for 2-3million. AK will at least be offered the trade exception from some team. I also believe there is something in the CBA that states what the minimum salary for a 10 year vet like AK is and I'm pretty sure it's more than $3 million. While I could be wrong on this last point, I'm still sure you're not going to be able to sign AK for 2-3 million period.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 2, 2011 3:36 p.m.

    I watched videos of Biyombo over lunch today. I was intrigued by his wingspan and Portland Summit numbers, but after watching him I think he could be a defensive shot blocking/rebounding force. If he were 3 inches taller, he would be in the conversation for top 3 pick this year. Think a nastier Evans plus 40 pounds of muscle.

    I've watched highlights of Vessely and am not that impressed with him. Sure, 6'10" SF sounds intriguing, and his dunks are impressive, but his shooting and dribbling are not.

    I also see Kawhi Leonard and Terrance Jones as tweeners. Great in the key, but questionable on the perimeter, yet their size dictates being a SF. Not sure I would draft either if I were the Jazz.

    Biggest question in my mind is whether Memo can come back next year in form. If so, then outside shooting and opening up middle for either AJ or Favors could be effective. If not, we need another big.

    Biyombo at 6 for potential (keep him in Spain 1 more year) might be best move, and pick up Thompson or Honeycutt at 12 to fill wing need.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    JazzNation: I'm surprised you keep pushing for Burke, we don't need a 2, both Hayward & CJ are 2's, they can play the 3 but are better suited to play the 2. KOC has stated many times, they want to get taller and longer at every position if possible. Burke is almost a CJ clone, that means he is talented but he has some of the same problems CJ has, he's not that good of a defender, his outside shooting is his weakness, sometimes he doesn't play that hard. He has positives, like handles, driving to the hole etc but he wouldn't beat CJ out, he'd be a rookie at the end of the bench and he's not what we need.
    Truth: I think you'll be surprised by how athltetic Jimmer will pan out to be, plus his shooting,& his handles/creative ability is something the Jazz could use.
    LAJazzFan: I like the idea of Biyombo, then trade Milsap and get what we need in the trade. Leonard may be a sleeper, I would only want TJones if he can play the 3. Vesely too. Not counting on Okur.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 2, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    Trade Milsap? Really? Sure, his value is high but that is because he is an 18 pt/8 reb machine with a PER/Eff around 20 for only $7M per season. Who you gonna get for him that would provide equal value?

    I like the thought of Sap coming off the bench and playing his 10-15 foot game with a rebounding/blocking minded backup center (Fes and/or Biyombo would work).

  • TRUEBLUEFAN Logan, Utah
    May 2, 2011 6:04 p.m.

    Wow! Everyone that says to trade Millsap is out of their mind!!! This is a guy that is a rebound machine, and if we struggled rebounding then we need him! This is the only guy on the team that brings it each and every game. He has the most heart out of everyone in the league and you wan't to trade him? Unbelievable!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 6:08 p.m.

    I know the idea of trading Milsap is almost a taboo like statement but he is undersized and according to ESPN's Hollinger, (he has a listing of players & their defensive rating)Paul was like 194th out of 201. It is hard to believe but Paul struggles more than people think on the defensive end. I would hope the Jazz could get someone like Granger for Paul. I'm not saying it will or should happen but it may be good business. Favors is the future at the 4, and Paul may not want to come off the bench again.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 2, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    REDCLIFFS: Veteran minimum was 1.2 million this year. AK has missed 25% of games for the Jazz in his career and he is in similar situations as players like Tracey McGrady, Michael Redd, Dalembert, Prince, J.Richardson, just to name a few players that have had max or close to max deals, but will likely be playing for 2-3 maybe mid level at 5.8 million max next year. If AK wants to play in Utah, he will play for Vet minimum or close to it.

    CaptainL: Our back court was one of the worst in the NBA last year, and our front court is very good and nobody in this draft will be a starter for the Jazz next year anyways, unless we happen to land Williams or Irving. Our perimeter offense and defense has been horrible to say the least and drafting guys that can come off the bench and contribute solid minutes is what we need, any bigs in this draft would never get the minutes, look at Fesenko.

    Don't expect any rookies to start for this team next year, we need to draft talent, upside, and future replacements. Jimmer/Burks makes sense.

  • carpediem Holladay, UT
    May 2, 2011 6:22 p.m.

    Bell - Lost his shot, and his defense wasn't that good this year, plus the age factor so he would be my first choice to let go.

    Elson - Just didn't work out, I think I would rather have Jarron Collins back, over Elson.

    CJ - Maybe sign the option for one year, but don't offer an extended contract, he hasn't been consistent yet.

    Fesenko - Is cheap and actually improved a lot this year. Since he is young he should continue to get better, so bring him back.

    Price - As much as I like Price, he didn't show a lot of improvement, The Jazz always seem to have 3 point guards though, so maybe the Jazz resign him.

    AK- Only keep if we can get him back cheap, It may be time to part ways. The Jazz need consistency.

    Everyone else should stick around, unless a good trade is available.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 2, 2011 6:41 p.m.

    this might be scrutinized...but i think...we could move Hayward to PG...

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    May 2, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    Millsap`s not going anywhere,count on it,most consistent player by far on this Jazz team

  • TRUEBLUEFAN Logan, Utah
    May 2, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    Dude I love that idea, Hayward at point would be awesome! If anybody watched the game against the Lakers, he almost played the point the whole game and he was amazing! The only problem is him playing defense on a fast point guard like Chris Paul or someone like that.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    I think the idea of playing Hayward at the point is not that far fetched, he has the skills to play the point and he has the mentality.
    The reason the 2 spot for the Jazz was so bad last year is because Bell played most of the minutes at the 2, Price played some 2 as well. Hayward & CJ are better suited to play the 2, Hayward was coming on strong at the end of the year and should continue to improve and if CJ can show some consistency the 2 spot will be strong and young. We need players to fill the 3. We need someone like Biyombo but unless we got rid of Milsap or Big Al, he would never see the floor to develop. Favors is the future at the 4, we just got Big Al and he is young, I know talking about trading Milsap isn't popular but it may be good business, just like trading DWill, not popular but good business.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 2, 2011 8:09 p.m.

    For 2009-10 based on PER which is not a great metric, Millsap at PF has a offensive Per of 18.8 (adjusted for 48 minutes) and an opponent Per of 18.9. At SF he is 4.6 and his opponents are 36.7.

    Millsap is not an SF. He will never be an SF but can match up with a few SFs.

    For 2009-10 based on +/- Millsap has an offensive rating of 1.12 and a defensive rating of 1.05 with a net48 of 6.8.

    Bball reference indicates Millsap with an offensive rating (per 100 possesions) of 114 and a defensive rating of 108 (net of 6) in 2010-11. That is his worst year. Usually he has a net of 9-11. Jefferson was 111 and 108 which was an improvement.

    An SF is probably the biggest issue in the draft.

    Based on this metric Millsap is actually better than AJ.

    I do not see Tomic as an answer and his buyout is expensive.

    Miller is not likely to give AK more than 6 mill a year. The big problem is that AKs WP48 of nearly .20 has to be replaced.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 2, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    Trading Millsap would be okay depending on what you get back. If the WP48 coming back is less than .20 then you made a bad deal. Millsap is fine rotation with AJ and Favors at 30+ minutes a game. He can also log a few minutes at SF some once in a while. He is cheap at 8 mill.

    There is no PF in the draft that the Jazz can get who is better than Millsap.

    Hayward and CJ should be at SG but can play SF. If AK leaves there is a big WP48 hole at SF and that has to be replaced with someone just as good or better. That is not CJ.

    Based on WP48 the Jazz need to keep AK, Millsap, AJ, Favors, Watson, Hayward and give Harris a year to settle in.

    Jimmer is a risk but not more risky than the other options available at 12. See how his work outs go and Jimmer will be a clear choice one way or another.

    Biyombo is basically Millsap without the jumper.

    The Jazz will be better with the 2 draft choices. They will get good players at 6 and 12.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 2, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    I would understand if the Jazz decided to go ahead and draft Jimmer with the 6th pick and get the best available player left with the 12th pick.

    The Jazz could turn around and package the 2 picks and swing a blockbuster trade, imagine a guy like Granger or Iguodala, playing the 3 next year in a Jazz uniform?

    Are the Jazz thinking about winning now, or is the thought to just rebuild and hope guys pan out?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 8:47 p.m.

    Bugoff: Your stats are offensive only, there would definitely be a drop off offensively if we replaced Paul with Biyombo but it is on the defensive end that Biyombo would make his presence felt and it is on the defensive end that we need the most help. If getting Biyombo happened it would have to be because the Jazz trade Milsap and fill the void at the 3. A player like Granger would be nice. Not sure what Grangers WP48 was last year, probably better the year before. Granger may be a good fit with the Jazz though.
    If TJones can play the 3, then I would definitey take him, if there is a question as to whether he can play the 3, then I wouldn't take him. Same with Vesely. Jimmer I think would be a worthwhile risk, if we can get him at the #12 spot.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 2, 2011 9:54 p.m.

    Trade down and get Williams, he's the complete package and not a 2-3 year project like Biyombo. He has plenty of speed to play the 3 and can drain shots from outside and could fill in at 4 when needed . Then you could trade Milsap and get someone really good in return, his contract was front loaded and is a bargain now so he would bring major interest from other teams. Maybe even trade him and the 12 pick to get down to 1 or 2.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 2, 2011 10:19 p.m.

    Maybe I just haven't seen enough of Williams but I'm not that high on him, I don't know if he can play the 3. TJones looks like he can play the 3 better than Williams. I'm not even sure TJones can play the 3 in the NBA, that is one of the question marks I have about him. Also the biggest thing about Biyombo is his defense, everyone wants to think offense, we need a defensive minded big, that can change the game at the defensive end. I'm not sure how good Biyombo can be or if we should take him or not but I think he's interesting enough that he should be looked at very close.
    I have read where the Pacers are willing to move Granger, I think he would fit in nicely with the Jazz, Milsap & Bell for Granger. Not sure how the money works, I know Granger makes alot. Miller wants to win, while rebuilding, the Jazz have never been down for long and their not used to not winning. They think they have the players, with a couple of draft picks and a FA to continue to win.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 3, 2011 6:33 a.m.

    yeah...i also love the idea of having Hayward at the point...because he really can create for others...he can dribble drive...and shoot over opposing points...having another SG who could rotate off screen and set up for a shot from a kick out pass would be good...i think the most effective way to use Hayward is when he torched LA for 22...he gets the ball off the screen on the highpost...pivots and drives and kicks out a pass if there's no shot or no entry pass to the inside available...we could get taller if he does play point..but...ok...let's say he doesnt play point and plays SG...i sure hope we ran plays through him...because he is a playmaker...he always was...

  • Viva Los Jazz Garland, UT
    May 3, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Earl Watson was more consistent than Ronnie Price this year so I'd love to see us draft a decent back up point guard. Kyrie Irving will be gone in the first two picks so Brandon Knight is my favorite because he has the most upside, then Jimmer, who is nba ready but I see Kemba as being another Jonny Flinn that is undersized at the position. Kemba is ranked in the top 5 of point guards but I rank him as a mid to late first rounder.
    I am afraid that Bismack Biyombo will be the number one pick so he won't be there at 6 or 7. The Jazz will have to trade both lottery picks to get him or Derick Williams. There is uncertainty about foreign players like Kanter, Jonas Valanciunas, Jan Vesley since they are all 18 and are inconsistent. Donatas Valanciunas loves to shoot 3 pointers and is a decent 7 footer who could play the 3. He will likely be there at number 12.
    Ante Tomac will give us some depth next year. I doubt Kirlenko is back unless it is for the mid level exception. Jan Vesley reminds me of Kirlenko.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    I'd like to see AK come back but at the right price. I think taking the team option on CJ's contract is a no brainer, if for no other reason than to get some trade value out of him. As far as the draft goes I think they should take the best player available with both picks. I do have a feeling the Jazz will end up with somebody from Kentucky with their first pick. I think Terrence Jones is going to start rising a bunch once individual workouts start, but Knight is the guy I am currently highest on that could be available at 6.

    As for Price and Fess, let them go. Too many injuries and not enough production.

    And Finally if I am the Jazz I do everything I can to get Tomic over here asap. He could be a solid role player for the Jazz next season. He's also 24 years old so he is as ready as he will ever be.

  • Viva Los Jazz Garland, UT
    May 3, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    @Bugoff: Biyombo is the best shot blocker in this years draft so he has a lot higher cieling than Milsap. He does need work on the offensive end but I can see him being a superstar in the nba. He's the best player in this years draft even though he is not experienced. He reminds me of a younger KGarnet.

    @Jazz-Nation: The Jazz won't draft Jimmer at number 6 unless his draft stock goes up that high. Don't worry, he'll be there at number 12 but I'd like them to trade down to the 15 to 20 range to get him. He's #7 on mynbadraft.com but most other mock drafts have him at 12 to 20.

    I am not certain I want Fesenko, Elson, or Price back. Kirlenko isn't very durable but he's a great player and Earl Watson is a decent backup. I doubt if the Jazz passup CJ for only 4 million; he's still young but this could be his breakthrough season. He had that 40 point night so hopefully he'll be more consistent next year.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 3, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    @Viva: If you think Biyombo is the best shot blocker in the draft you better check out the 18 year old Brazilian that just declared (Lucas Nogueira) and he is a real 7 footer, not a six seven with long arms, plus there is no way either of them will go in the lottery, even the NBA scouts that are high on Biyombo say he's 2-3 years away from being NBA ready.

    Also if the Jazz let Fez go they will live to regret it, the only thing he needs is a coach that will give him some respect and when he finds one people (including the ones that are saying get rid of him) will be crying for years about another one that got away. CJ will still be an asset for the price but should be strictly a back-up that you leave in only when he is hot.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 3, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    @Captain L: I don't recall ever seeing Williams at the 3 but I did see him dribble the ball the length of the floor against either Texas or Duke and blow right by a 2 guard and SF that were trying to stay up with him and you can't tell me he's not fast enough. Also he's a much better shooter than TJones from outside. It also tells you something when he's not going lower than 2nd on any mock draft i've seen. I watched 2 of T Jones games and wasn't impressed either time, maybe I just caught him at his worst.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 3, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    This next year will be interesting, how much will Favors improve? Will Hayward continue getting better and become a leader on the team? Will Evans work on his 3 man skills so he can play the 3? Will Milsap be played at the 3 alot more? Will CJ realize his inconsistency may be his undoing and exit ticket from the Jazz? If CJ can work hard enough so he can become consistent he will be a major asset to the team, the problem is he has had plenty of time to prove himself and so far, it hasn't happened. This year will prove whether CJ ends up a bench player or if he can prove he can be a starter and consistent producer. Will Harris show more leadership by being more of a distributor? Will Big Al work on defense and rebounding? Will the Jazz resign Fes or AK? Who will the Jazz draft? What positions do KOC and the coaches feel they need to upgrade? Will there be any trades? Will KOC find a FA that can help the team? Lots of questions, should be interesting.

  • Teafortwo salt lake city, utah
    May 3, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    The Jazz need some physically and mentally tough guys who are willing to work hard and play EVEN when they have a hang nail or a "sore knee". The Jazz have talent. What they don't have is any desire, intensity or toughness. And a team leader would be nice. They haven't had one since John and Karl left.....

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    May 3, 2011 4:55 p.m.

    Burks is a good pick because he can play both guard positions...he is not just a 2. He also might become one of the premier defensive guards in the NBA and will be able to penetrate and score on his own when the Jazz offense becomes stagnant.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 3, 2011 5:20 p.m.

    If the Jazz were to take Burke, I think it would mean the Jazz would be looking to move CJ, otherwise I don't see the need to draft Burke, he may end up being as good as some posters think he will, but the things I've read, don't tell me that, he's not that good a defender, his outside shooting is his weakness, he' not always playing hard. Like I've said before, he reminds me of CJ, that means he has talent but but but.
    TeaForTwo: I agree, toughness and determination, guts etc is what we need.

  • templarreborn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2011 5:26 p.m.

    I would trade the 6th spot to Portland for Matthews and a second round pick. We need Matthews ehergy back. I'd keep Fez at a bargain basement price. Favors, Harris, Milsap and Jefferson are the core. Hayward and Matthews would also be a core players. Andre off the bench with Tomic and Watson as reserves. I'd let everyone else go and only invest in the number 12 spot as a bargaining chip for future needs.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 3, 2011 5:48 p.m.

    After the way Mathews played this year, I don't think Portland would be willing to part with him. He is exactly the type of player we need though, his guts, determination and hustle are the perfect example of how the players need to play.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 3, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    I agree with shaybo...the brazilian is a defensive beast...defense wise...he is much better than biyombo...i think the brazilian is 2-3 years away of having significant impact on both ends of the court...right now...he is just a monster defender that could anchor a solid defense...i'd rather have him than Fes at this point....

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 3, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    @CaptainL:

    I totally agree, lots of questions for Jazz, just makes speculating more interesting. I also agree about Burks, just what we need another shooting guard that can't shoot. If we want another Brewer we can get the real thing for a lot less than a lottery pick.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 3, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    @Captain L

    Granger is a good scorer but like Rudy Gay...he demands the ball thus the rotation of the ball stops...we already have a black hole in Al Jeff...I'd rather want us signing Shane Battier...to fill the SF spot...he could teach some pointers to the rookies on how to guard the elite wings in the NBA...Hayward could benefit with this...i think what's important is being a tough defensive team...the points will come...stopping the opponent most of the time...could give us more opportunities on offense...so...i'd rather look for a defender...that could shoot...im very high on Battier...

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    I can't believe people are are still talking about Wes Mathews. That ship has sailed folks and I say good riddance. I'd rather have a 21 year old 6'8" Hayward with potential through the roof playing the 2 than a generously listed 6'4" guard who has a great story but who has already reached his peak.

    I really think that Gordon Hayward's play next year will make Jazz fans glad Mathews took the money and ran.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 3, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    I like Battier, and have wanted the Jazz to find a way to get him but he's getting old and I don't think he would sign as a FA with a team that is rebuilding, at his age, he's going to want to sign with a team that can contend for a champtionship.
    Glad to see others who can see (at least with the video's and reports we've seen) that Burke isn't a player we need to worry about getting. I say that and then I remember thinking the Jazz wouldn't want to draft Hayward last year too. I didn't know they would make the trade for Big Al though and without that, drafting a 4 would have been the right move. Because of the Big Al trade though, I think they made the right move by drafting Hayward.
    Granger would have to find a way to ajust and work within the Jazz system and be a 2nd or 3rd option, whether KOC thinks he could do that I don't know.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    May 3, 2011 7:59 p.m.

    Comparing CJ and Burks is just wrong. CJ occasionally shows defensive aptitude, but much more often is lost on the court. Burks can play the point, as I said before, and he is touted by many people as an excellent defender. Comparing Brewer to Burks is wrong, too, because Brewer never developed a good outside shot, couldn't play point, and Burks outside shot is improving. Anyway, how many of the posters here besides me touted Hayward all year? Just saying, it is important for the Jazz to draft a point guard (or at least someone like Burks who can play either position) this draft. Harris is good, but the team needs to try to improve at that position for the long term. The Jazz won't be picking 6th again for many years, unless they get a pick through a trade. Pick Irving, Walker, or Burks. Imagine Burks and Hayward next to each other on the court.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 3, 2011 9:08 p.m.

    Scalman: Where are you getting your info on Burks? I'd like to read it. Everything I have read doesn't support your opinions about Burks. If I thought the Jazz would play him as a point guard, I'd say go for it but I haven't heard or seen anything to make me think that would happen. Burks may end up being a very good player but right now he has alot of things that make me want to look elseware. I don't understand your reason for saying CJ and Burks aren't alot alike, in fact right now CJ is a much better player than Burks but I know Burks has potential, but it needs to be developed.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 3, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    compare Burks game to Tyreke Evans, both slashers can get to the rim, both are super athletic, both create match up problems.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    May 3, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    Captain: I did some more research and I was surprised to discover that he doesn't always do well defending. His jump shot, as many have stated here, needs a lot of work, especially out beyond the arc.
    You were the one to mention his name first months ago, and I looked at mock drafts and one in particular (nbadraft.net) gave him scores of 9 in athleticism, ball handling and potential. Those scores, plus an 8 in defense are meaningful. He also seems like the type of player who wants the ball at the end of games, just like Hayward is. His overall offensive ability, including the fact he can drive to the basket with either hand, finishes at the rim, is a willing and excellent passer, and one of the best college rebounders (2nd overall for wing rebounders), is reason to see him as special. Maybe it's just a feeling, but I like him a lot, and I don't see others in the draft that I really like more after the first 3 probable picks.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 3, 2011 10:41 p.m.

    I still like Vesely and Fredette with the two picks, save our money on CJ and AK unless he's cheap and try to sign Nene as a free agent. There is your inside/outside game.

    I don't have a good feeling about getting Ante Tomic, it would be nice having a skilled offensive center like him but I think he would have to take less than half the money he's making to come to the NBA.

    Whatever happened to Tadeja Dragicevic he was a nice all around 6'9" guy supposed to play with the Jazz in summer league but had tendinitis or something, anybody know?

  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2011 11:15 p.m.

    Dont waste a pick on a Big Man please. We have enough on here now, that need to be developed in Favors, and Big Al.

    If Favors develops he, and Big Al compliment each other well. Favors has freakishly long wing span and could still be growing. This kid can be a special player in this league if he puts in the work. Big Al was looking comfortable in the offense the last couple of weeks of the season. If he can learn to pass the ball when doubled, and DOESNT hold on the ball for 10 seconds trying to figure out how to attack the defender, it kills the flow of the offense and people are stuck standing around. Our front court will be a problem in the Western conference if they can put it together.

    We need shooters on this team. Draft Jimmer, and Reggie Jackson from BC. I read that the Jazz scouted Jackson and are really high on the kid. 6' 3" PG with a 7 + foot wingspan. Some scouts have said that he has the skill set to be floor general at the next level.

  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    May 3, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    Some here are asking for a SF in this draft, if you dont land Derrick Williams hope for next years pick with the Warriors pick. Next season is when they should be looking to fill that need, because it will be stacked. Look for your shooters in this years draft. If the Jazz FO can build around the core we have now, the Jazz will be back in less than 1 year. Exciting times ahead for us and OUR team.

    Lets go Jazz and O'Connor.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 4, 2011 5:34 a.m.

    I like the idea of Jackson, where did you read the Jazz were looking at him?

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 4, 2011 6:48 a.m.

    to be honest...we have lots of trade chips...and we have lots of good players currently in the team...the only ones that i would change would be...price elson and fes...ok i'll give fes a break coz many of you see something in him...that i really dont...except for the 6 fouls he can give...maybe we need a guy like him...a destroyer...the one we could pull out from the bench...and ask him to hit a guy so hard...without flagrant fouling...lol

  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    I read it in Hollingers insider article. He is a very intriguing prospect. He's fast enough to guard pg's, and his wingspan alone can cause problems. It will also allow him to guard the 2's as well.

    Imagine a lineup of Jimmer, Jackson, Hayward, Favors, and Big Al

    Jackson and Jimmer can be interchangeable depending on the other teams lineup.

    O'Connor has alot on his table, can't wait for draft day

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 4, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    We do NOT need to draft a big man to sit at the end of the bench and play limited minutes behind Favors,Milsap and Jefferson.

    I know KOC and Greg Miller have both said that they want to add length, I am sure they mean adding length at the wings and guard positions because there are no big men in this draft that will be better than what we already have on our roster.

    Fesenko is better then any big man in this years draft class, although Kanter is an interesting prospect. Ante Tomic looks like he would be a very mediocre player, he is not the best player on his team and looking at his numbers and videos, I am not impressed at all, I think he will struggle in the NBA, which I hate saying because I was really hoping for this guy to be a Gasol type of player, but I dont think so at this point.

    If the Jazz do draft a big man, expect a trade to be in the works involving AJ or PM, I doubt it though, that would set us back years if that were to happen.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    May 4, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    @Cap I understand that Millsap gets shot over some times. However, much of Millsap's weakness on D is actually poor dribble penetration D by the guards. Much of the pick and roll defensive problems are the design of the defense which funnels to the middle and also the poor guard defense. The bigs are often out of position.

    It makes more sense to keep Millsap until you can get the right player. Favors is the PF of the future. The real question is if AJ is the C of the future and who should back up AJ/Favors. I would prefer to get the C of the future and let AJ back up Favors and a real C for 30+ minutes a game.

    If the Jazz get any combo of (no order) Knight, Vesely, Thompson, Kanter, Jones, Jimmer, Burkes or even Walker they will be better than they are now. Lucas Nigueira is only 218 1bs. He will need 3 years to develop an offense. Ditto for Biyombo who is only an 1-2 inches taller than Millsap.

    We know what we have in Millsap and have a couple of years to trade him.
    Wait a while.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 4, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Bugoff: I agree, you make some good points. Is the Thompson you are mentioning the son of Michael Thompson? I haven't watched anything on him yet. I guess I'll have to check him out. I don't see the need to draft Kanter, Biyombo, or Lucas if they don't plan on trading Paul or Al. We don't need to draft Vesely or TJones if they can't play the 3, they need to show they can play the 3 and the FO / coaches need to plan on playing them at the 3 or no deal. I'm not that high on Burkes, I don't know what to think of Walker and I like Knight or Jimmer. The Jackson kid from BC is an interesting player, long wing span for a pt guard. Chad Ford seems to like Jackson and think he is a first round pick, how high I'm not sure.
    The Jazz need to resign Fes.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 4, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    @Jazz-Nation

    Kanter is better than Fes...so is Jonas...the only thing Fes is ahead among the big men of this draft class is he is thick...he has a wide frame...and that's about it...based on skills...Kanter and Jonas and Donatas are way ahead of Fes...

    offensive skill wise Tomic is better than Fes...defense...i'll give it to fes...the reason for the Gasol comparison...on Tomic is that Tomic is smooth on offense...and has quick feet for a big guy and can shoot on the perimeter...

    i think the reason for drafting a Big would mean...we wont re-sign elson or fes...the guy would be there to plug in 15 mins...on either PF or C position...

    either way...there's a lot of free agents...and KOC could make a dozen or so moves...and on the draft who knows...a lot of you guys bashed Hayward last season...and look at him now...we may get some unprecedented drafts but let's trust management on this...and let's all just speculate

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 4, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    Reggie Jackson I like the name but most mock drafts don't have him going in the 1st 2 rounds. Would be an interesting pickup as free agent after the draft. He looks awfully good in his highlight real.

    I don't see a lot of free agents that would help the Jazz much, Aaron Aflolo would be a great 6th man though.

    I don't get what people hate so much about Fez. His foul shooting is hard to watch but he is intimidating on D when he's in there. He is the only guy on the team except for Evans who hasn't been given a fair shake as far as playing time goes and all aspects of his game would greatly improve if he was given that.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 4, 2011 11:13 p.m.

    I worry that AJ is not the answer at the 5, he seriously needs to work on Boxing out and overall defense. He has to get at least 25 points to offset his bad D. It seams like almost every mediocre big man he defended this past year had career nights against him. He also needs to learn to catch and shoot so as to help the offensive flow.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 4, 2011 11:25 p.m.

    Shaybo: I really like Fes and think he has a lot of potential and I agree he hasn't been given a fair shake, if he were give 20 to 25 or more minutes, he would improve greatly and I think you'd see the Jazz win alot more because Fes changes the game for the better. No one else has the kind of impact Fes does. I just don't have any faith that the coaches want to use him and develop him. I know he's a head case but he has what we need at the center position. That said, I'm not even sure the Jazz will try to resign him.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 5, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    I agree with giving playing time to develop...i was hoping they would give that to Hayward and Evans during the season...but for Fes...he is like a bigger CJ...but...he is more useful...the problem is the rotation...we should have not signed Elson last off season...if they were serious in the development of Fes...you just dont bring people to the D-League...and say..put him there to develop...talent wise...its very different...so if you really want to develop young players...you should give them time...and if the young players really wanted to develop...even if you are given just 10 mins...you should make the coaching staff know that you deserve more...by playing all out every time...if you are just going to dumb down...you wont get your minutes

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    May 5, 2011 5:57 a.m.

    I concur that AJ is not the answer at the 5. He has stated before that he prefers the PF position, anyway, and despite a fair amount of blocked shots, he is not a solid defensive presence in the post. At times, I would rather see the Jazz trade AJ than Milsap. Milsap had some big games during the first third of this past season, and we have to remember that Milsap, despite his height disadvantage, gives the Lakers trouble sometimes when he is healthy. I am still hoping to see Fes and Favors teamed together for a lot of minutes per game next year. Fes is another player who often looked good this year when healthy.

    Posters: check out 2011 Mock NBA draft: Who Will Take Jimmer Fredette, Alec Burks and Kemba Walker article from Bleacher Report.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2011 10:03 a.m.

    Re last 4 posters.

    Fess is done in Utah, he had a golden opportunity all of last season to step up and take Okur's minutes, but he was incapable of doing so. He's injury prone, as good as he is on defense he is as bad on offense, and he still smokes cigarettes.

    There's no conspiracy against Fess here, the reason he's not playing is because he's not very good.

    AJ improved his defense a lot this last year, he still is below average, but he shows a desire to get better and I think having an entire off season with the Jazz will help his overall game quite a bit.

    You also need to take into account that Favors is a defense presence who can guard the 4 and the 5, his game compliments AJ's perfectly.

    Okur should be able to contribute well next season too; if he can give the Jazz 12 to 16 min a night and be a scoring spark off the bench that would be a big help for this Jazz team.

    I'd rather see the Jazz bring over Tomic than bring back Fess.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 5, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Using lottery picks for players to sit at the end of the bench and play limited minutes would be a complete waist, that is why I don't think we should draft a big man.

    Do I think we should sign a big man, of course, but I think with AJ, PM, DF, and Okur coming back, the need has to be wings and guards in the draft and pick up a big man via free agency, Dalembert maybe.

    If Kanter is available, I could see him being taken by the Jazz, but no other big man in the draft impresses me, Kanter has upside, but still a project.

    We have a very solid front court and a very weak back court, in fact one of the worst back courts in the league. If we can address the shooting and perimeter defense, this will open things up in the paint and our record next year will prove that.

    I am hoping that we draft guys that can play both sides of the floor and guys that can shoot and defend the perimeter, that will let our current big guys do some dirty work down low.

    Draft well, go Jazz!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 5, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    Byron: I've been hopefull for Tomic but I'm not too optomistic lately, he hasn't had that good of a year.
    Fes brings what none of the other players bring, defense and a big body to clog the paint, everyone wants to worry about offense and it was defense that was the Jazz biggest problem. Fes does have some problems but the coaches didn't want to deal with them and help him work thru them. We need some help on defense, whether it's Fes coming back or drafting someone like Biyombo.
    Big Al improved in the blocked shot area but he still is poor at pick and roll defense and that was a major problem. Defense is half the game and everybody wants to focus only on the offensive end. The Jazz were terrible on D last yr.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    Re Captain L:

    Tomic is averaging 10 points 5 rebounds and shooting 50% from the field while playing 20 min a game in the Euro League this year. His team is also in the Euro League's final 4 for the first time in 15 years. It's not like he's playing for some scrub team, he's playing a vital role on one of the best teams in the world outside the NBA.

    I saw Real play Partizan Belgrade(the same team Jan Vesely plays for) and thought Tomic looked fantastic, he was Real's best defender, he altered shots and showed some skill offensively. I thought he looked more NBA ready than Vesely, although Vesely had a few spectacular dunks.

    I don't think Tomic is going to be a star in the NBA but right now he could be a solid rotation player. He is better than Fess, and unlike Fess he went through an entire season injury free.

    I was big on Fess going into this last season but he never turned the corner and he never will.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    May 5, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    I wish we had more tough guys that give it their all like Tony Allan or a JJ Barea or even Ibaka. My point is that the talent selection process with KOC is very flawed. We have a nice assortment of soft players with very little talent.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    May 5, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    I just wonder if the scouts across the league do not touch Jefferson because he has such defensive liabilities. Another words, our power forwards just cannot carry this team, nor do we have a star...I think we need a ruthless assassin. Few teams without a star ever win it all. We have lucky 2nd rounders that like the money, then after a contract, they stop trying.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 5, 2011 4:47 p.m.

    Just so everyone is aware, Ante Tomic signed a three year deal to stay over seas, chalk it up as a loss of a 2nd round pick, Tomic is not coming to the Jazz any time soon and the Jazz are not going to spend that much money on buying him out in hopes of him being able to play some scrap minutes. The good news is, we own his rights, so it's not like another NBA team can pick him up either.

    Bismack Biyombo is 6-9, 243,projected late first rounder NO THANKS!


    Donatas Motiejunas is 7-0, 224, too frail to play the 5. NO WAY!


    Enes Kanter is 6-11, 262 played for KY, can play the 5, projected to go top 4, this is the only big man in the draft that would be worth taking w/ one of our lottery picks and the Jazz do not have a second round pick this year.

    If Kanter is there at 6, we take him. Kanter is from Turkey, so you would think that Memo would help him develop on and off the court, if not, the Jazz look at the guards and wings.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 5, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    Byronbca: I've tried to keep tract of Tomic, Chuck Nunn keeps us posted with how he is doing and with videos of some of his games. I like Tomic, I just worry he's too soft and can't and won't bang enough to play effective in the NBA. He is a talented offensive player and he is tall & long, that is one of the reasons I've had high hopes for him, but I'm not sure he wants it bad enough. I've been a Vesely fan for the last 2 years but I'm not sure about him right now either. If Vesely can't play the 3, we don't need him. We already own the rights to Tomic, so I'd love to see the Jazz bring him over but I'm not sure how much he would contribute. Fes is really the ideal center, tall, long, fairly athletic and has the bulk to bang and control the paint, that is one of the reasons I want to continue to have hope for him. He is the kind of center we need, we just need him to improve.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 5, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Even though defense is a major concern and was probably the Jazz biggest weakness, there aren't any centers (bigs) that are good enough for us to use our lottery picks on unless the Jazz scouts/coaches/FO think Biyombo or Jonas are worth the pick, even though they will be projects. That being said, I've always said this yrs biggest need is the 3 spot and a pt guard for the future. I'm alittle frustrated the more I hear about some of these players, TJones or Vesely may not be able to play the 3, if they can't I don't see drafting them. That would leave Leonard as probably the best option still avaialable. At point Knight, Walker or Jimmer could be available, I'd like to hear how they all do at some workouts. Can Jimmer play D? Can any of them be distributors, they all like to score. I personally like Biyombo but we don't have alot of info about him. Kanter is talented, can his knees hold up, can he play D?

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 5, 2011 6:29 p.m.

    first off...i thought we brought in Big Al so that he'll play the 4...but again...he was played out of position...Favors...im not sure if he can handle the 5...If he can...I'd want him starting with Al...Paul Millsap is good...he is really good...but i see him playing off the bench...he should embrace the 6th starter role...Odom embraced it and made a career out of it...so is with Manu and Jamal Crawford...we really need a 3...i want AK coming off the bench...i hope...we could trade some of our picks this year and try to predict the teams that would go to the lottery next year...next year has a much better talent pool than this year...we could probably trade the 6th pick with minnesota or some team bound for lottery next season...we could sign Shane Battier to fill the Gap at the 3...for the 12th pick if we cant have jimmer or knight or burks...trade the pick again...and sign Aaron Afflalo or CDR...

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 5, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    if...we did get Shane Battier and resigned AK and fes or Dalembert or drafted the brazilian...on dire situations where we need defense...we could have this lineup during that stretch....

    Fes/Dalembert/Brazilian
    Favors
    AK
    Battier
    Hayward

    think about it?...6'9 guy guarding the point...i know hayward isnt fast enough to guard the likes of westbrook...but...if you notice this on his D...he never likes it when a guy goes past him....he always try to be in front of his man which is a very good trait on D...with that said...we could probably lock a team down for a few minutes...and just run them out....we could get back on the game with this lineup...then once comfortable sub in the guys with offensive power to boost the run more...as Bugoff said...we need wing defenders...and they are available as free agents...we could have them to teach the young kids...heck i'd even sign Grant Hill...he is a better floor leader than anyone on the team...he could add composure and grit...

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 5, 2011 7:07 p.m.

    Byron: Exactly when did Fes get a fair shake? What I remember is 1 game all season he got as much as 25 minutes, that game he played outstanding with 11 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks, then it was the 5 games later before he got any more playing time. Let me tell you something else, the Jazz would not have beaten Denver in the first round last year without him period. then Sloan barely used him against the Lakers. As for his offense, he has a very nice jump hook and takes it in and slams in people's faces, also is a very good passer if you hadn't noticed.

    As for AJ's defense improving, in the last game against Denver he held the mighty Koufus to 16 (career high) including 3 put backs that AJ could have prevented had he taken 1 step to the side and made even a feeble attempt to box him out.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    Tomic's buyout is $7 million, but the Jazz are only allowed to match $5 million of that and Tomic would have to cover the other $2 million at least, they have the option of paying it all up front or throughout the duration of his contract with Real Madrid.

    It's a steep buyout no doubt about it, but if the Jazz are ready to cut their losses with Fess and they believe he would be a lottery pick this year it could be worth it.

    If the Jazz are willing to give Fess one more year, or if they feel they can pick up somebody via trade or free agency then it would be smart to let Tomic develop overseas for another year.

    Re Shaybo: Fess had the entire season under 2 different head coaches, but he failed to impress. When the Jazz did need him he was injured. It's not some anti Fess conspiracy, he just isn't trying very hard. Fess is still smoking cigarettes, that should tell you all you need to know about Fess's commitment level to the Jazz.

  • vail39 Summerville, SC
    May 6, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    Tomic does have a buyout Clause on his contract.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 6, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    Kanter likes contact, he likes to bang, I like that about him and I would take him over fesenko, but if Kanter is not available, then the Jazz should resign the big guy, I like Fes, I think he needs to focus and be more aggressive in the paint.

    If Fesenko was a better free throw shooter, he would average a double double every night and command minutes, but right now he is "hack-a-Fess", foul happy big man.

    so what should the Jazz do?

    Throw some money at Nena' or other F/A's?.........maybe?

    Find a team willing to trade their big man?.........doubt it, but ya never know?

    Hope Memo comes back strong?.........hmmmm???

    Draft a Center?............always a risk.

    Bring Fesenko back?

    Bring in Karl Malone to help coach up all the Big's?............DING, DING, DING, we have a winner!

    I seriously think that the Jazz could use a guy like the Mailman to help the big guys develop into All-stars.

    Any thoughts?

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 6, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    Jazz need to draft outside shooters only, that's where their weakest, opposing teams pack the inside because they don't respect the Jazz's outside shooting. Hayward and Memo are the only ones you can count on to hit the open 3, and that is providing Memo makes a comeback. CJ will hit them every 3rd or 4th game if he happens to be on.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 6, 2011 5:00 p.m.

    Hate to contradict myself but I just watched a couple of more highlight reels of this kid Lucas Nogueira and WOW what an upside. Not only is he a prolific shot blocker, he is intelligent with them, doesn't just slam it out of bounds. He also shows a lot of basketball instincts with his passing and using either hand.

    I like what they stand to get with the #6 and #12 picks but maybe could trade CJ or Memo for late 1st or early 2nd rounder to pick him up. He could be great in a couple of years. Biyumbo could be another one to look at in that pick range.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    May 6, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    In a week and a half things will get interesting once we find out where the Jazz will pick. I'm still not sold that the Jazz will draft two players this year unless they store one in europe. With two potential picks next year and three NBA sophmores, how many young players do you want on your roster?

    Outside of Favors PF and Hayward SG-ideal size and length for their positions, no one on this roster should be safe.

    Harris is solid at the point. Other than that, I like Milsap as a back up, AJ-I like with a legit defensive center which we don't have. I like Favors at PF if we had a scoring center-not AJ who is a 4. These pieces don't fit. KO you got your work cut out for you!! Jefferson & Milsap for P GASOL. Go DALLAS!!!

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    May 6, 2011 6:16 p.m.

    How about Jefferson & Milsap for M Gasol? He's younger.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 6, 2011 6:23 p.m.

    Dr Truth: I 2nd the Go Dallas. Here is the problem with Jefferson with a legit defensive center....your starting power forward is going to be Favors and rather than using AJ as a backup you might as well trade him and get something out of him. The only free agent centers that fit the bill are Mark Gasol and Chandler.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 7, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    i wont trade Al Jeff and Millsap for Pau...that would be stupid...you got two young guys...and you are trading for a guy who's at the downside of his career....you'd want Jevale Mcgee(backup at best) or the brazilian kid Lucas Nogueira shaybo talked about....you have a legit starting PF with favors...a guy i think can be a go to guy on Hayward...all we need is a good wing that could stroke it....if you would look at the lakers - dallas series....dallas has a lot of outside shooters....

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 7, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Looks like TJones has decided to stay in school, again that just weakens this draft. It will be very interesting to see how the Jazz choose to play things. They may go for Euro players , big questions. Vesely, Biyombo, Donatas(sp), Jonas, or maybe Jimmer, Knight, Leonard, Tobias Harris (Tenn.), Burke, even though pickins are getting thin, I think they should be able to get a couple of good players, how good, big question.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 8, 2011 1:32 a.m.

    its going to be jimmer and the brazilian...bank on it...lol

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 8, 2011 12:13 p.m.

    This draft is very weak, particularly outside the top 4 picks (Irving, Dwilliams, Kanter and Jonas V). The odds of the Jazz getting better than 5 are not good.

    Who could we get at our current spots that are that much better than D-league talent at a fraction of the cost?

    I don't think the teams in the top 3-4 would trade down, even for multiple picks due to the dilution in talent.

    As others have said, getting two new rookies with the other young talent we have tilts it non-verteran to an extreme, particularly for a new coach.

    With this in mind, I am increasingly in favor of drafting potential, particularly if you could stash them overseas for a year. This would give the Jazz $3M+ towards a FA and allow the draftee to get an extra year of experience, even if there is a lockout.

    My choice below.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 8, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    Having watched vids of Vessely, Biyombo and Niguero (the Brazlian center), I like Biyombo the best. I think he has the most potential. He can block with either hand, passes to an open player after a rebound well (although he looks to dunk when passed to). He is 1 inch shorter than Ibaka, but has several inch longer arms and weighs more, making him a bigger presence in the paint. If you compare their stats in the ACB (best league outside NBA), they are amazingly similar. Ibaka is the better shooter, but Biyombo the better blocker. Ibaka was stashed in Spain for a year, played about 18 min per game his first year in NBA, and now plays nearly 30 mins. Biyombo could follow same pattern.

    Noguira barely played in the Portland Nike Summit game, with Biyombo taking all of his minutes. He playes in a middle Brazlian league, and does so so. Biyombo is a leading rebounder and leads in blocks in the best league outside of the NBA.

    Vessely doesn't dribble under control, is thin and not very strong, and a bad shooter- even from free throw line. Energetic dunker, ljust ike Evans.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 8, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    Who to sign this offseason?

    If not Fes, then I say Aaron Gray. We need a cheap big guy. Gray could be better as he is at least somewhat of an offensive threat if left open. NO can't afford anything. I'd say $2M.

    Watson= $1.5M.

    CJ @ $3.7M, a good bargain and hopefully turns corner.

    That's 11 players at nearly $60M.

    Stash Biyombo and his $3M+ contract overseas. Keep the #12 pick (about $2M).

    We need 2 more players. Other than AK, I think these are the best SG/SF available:
    Wilson Chandler-restricted
    Arron Afflalo-restricted (can Denver keep both?)
    Thaddeus Young
    Tayshaun Prince.

    Each is going to cost you $5M-$8M per year.

    Pick up a D-Leaguer as a combo guard for $500k. Roster set for year at a cost of nearly $70M.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 8, 2011 6:07 p.m.

    Re LAJazzFan: I like alot of what you said, I'm pretty high on Biyombo, I'd like to see more but what I saw, I really liked. I like your reasoning about why he would be a good pick. Biyombo brings what we need, defense, rebounding and blocked shots. Plus he is a hustle type player, (Mathews type) gotta love them.
    I think they need to look at trading their 12th pick towards a 18 to 20 pick and draft the point guard from BC, I think his name is Jackson ?, he's 6'3 with a 7' wing span and Chad Ford thinks he's a player, mid first rounder, we may even have to use the 12th pick on him to get him if his stock rises because of good workouts. I also like Jimmer and think he has alot more upside than people think.
    I like the idea of drafting for potential, as there aren't any sure fire top players in this draft.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 8, 2011 6:59 p.m.

    im still not sold on Biyombo though...could he be tougher than Ben Wallace? or could he be a Ben Wallace type of player (during Ben Wallace's time)...if he does...then he is worth the pick...but he should be strong enough to contain the power of players like Dwight Howard...and the speed and quickness to guard finesse players...also its not just blocking shots...Bill Russell once said...for a blocked shot to be successful you must recover the ball after swatting it...we should also consider Biyombo's ability to play help defense..and rotate on screens...you can't measure everything on a block shot stat or a steal stat...so for now...im just going to speculate...which is fun doing...and whoever KOC brings in...im sure it'll be the best for the team...remember we did drafted Mo Williams and Nazr Mohammed before...

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 8, 2011 8:59 p.m.

    I'm not that sold on Biyombo, especially with the #6 pick. He is a nice looking player but he is not 6'9", he's closer to 6'7" and not big enough to play center and a project, having said that, do you want to use that high a pick on someone to back up Favors? The Jazz need outside shooters. After watching Nogueira I think he has the most upside to be a starting center but that's down the road and I wouldn't even pick him as high as the #12.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 9, 2011 3:54 a.m.

    @shaybo

    i'd draft the brazilian at 12...if its based on potential...and the lack of talent on this draft...we might draft jimmer at 6...

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 10, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    I don't know why you don't think he is 6'9, his measurements were 6'73/4" without shoes and 6'9 with shoes. That is how most players are measured and they are listed to the height they are measured with shoes. I haven't watched the young Brazilian but he is several years down the road from what I have read and Biyombo can come in a contribute now, at least on the defensive end and he has potential on offense, he will just have to develop that part of his game, he hasn't even been playing very long. We need defensive help, everyone wants to draft for offense, which is OK but there isn't any great talent available. Potentially Biyombo is about as good as they come in this draft. Nogueira is also a player with potential but he is so skinny, he will take quit awhile to develop, if he does. If we can't get Knight at 6, then I like the idea of drafting Jimmer. Tobias Harris may not even be too bad a pick. At least he is skilled and talented with potential.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 10, 2011 7:22 a.m.

    @Captain L

    both Biyombo and the Brazilian are at least 2-3 years away...its just that...Biyombo got the hype during his triple double effort...scouts should still take a look at him...but still...a lot of question marks on the draft...after the top 3 picks...

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 10, 2011 9:04 p.m.

    Captain, I'm going to have to measure myself again, here all this time I thought I was 6'2" i must have been 6'4". Seriously though you need to go on youtube and check this Lucas Nogueira out before you make a judgement, he's just as or more impressive to me than Biyombo. Check out the video of him standing while holding onto the rim. Your right though their both 2-3 years away and you really can't use a lottery pick for someone that can't give you immediate help.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 10, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    @shaybo

    at this year's draft...i dont think there is one outside the top 4 can contribute...so i'd rather gamble on the 12th...

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    May 11, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    There is absolutely no possible way that the Jazz use lottery picks to stash players over seas. I am glad we have KOC managing the draft and not some of you Jazz fans. The Jazz would always be willing to stash a second rounder, their contracts are not guaranteed, but NEVER afirst rounder or lotto pick for that matter.

    The Jazz have two options. Use the draft picks on guys who will be able to come in and contribute right away, or use the draft picks and trade for a young veteran to come in and help right away.

    Either way, the thought is going to be, lets get better now, not, lets get better in 3 years from now.

    The Jazz drafted Air Gordon to be a guy that they could slowly develop, but it turned out that this team needed him right away and Air Gordon proved he was better then a project pick.

    Looking forward to the new CBA and the new NBA season!

    GO JAZZ!

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    May 11, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    @Jazz-Nation-

    What would you trade for a Serge Ibaka or Ben Wallace? That is Biyombo's realistic potential from what I have read and seen.

    Why stash him overseas? Thunder did it with Ibaka for 1 year, played him limited minutes last year, and he is a major minutes defensive presence this year.

    Moreover, there is a 50/50 chance that there will not be a season next year, or a shortened one. Biymobo gets to play and develop in Spain for another year during that, while the college kids sit around and don't get paid (which is why many of them dropped out of the draft this year).

    Nigoura is skinny and at least 2-3 years away from the NBA, although he could be good then. We just can't wait that long. Okur is gone in a year, and Milsap's and AJ's contracts are up in two.

    Truth is, we won't know until we hear back from the pre-draft workouts and perhaps evena year or two into the kid's career. However, in a weak draft everything outside of about 3 players is a gamble this year.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 11, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    I don't think you can say the Jazz will never draft a player that may need a yr or 2 overseas to develop, it depends on the player and what they think of him, I really like Biyombo and would easily take him at 12 and maybe even at 6 depending on who was left on the board. I like everything I have read and seen about Biyombo. I would take Knight at 6 and maybe Vesley other than those 2, Biyombo may be my next pick. I hope we could get Biyombo or Jimmer at 12. I'm thinking that Tobias Harris (Tenn) may be a good pick. Very talented.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 11, 2011 6:14 p.m.

    the brazilian may be 2-3 years away...but we have a lot of guys on the 4-5 spot...so developing him overseas would be beneficial...i mean a 7 footer...who blocks a lot of shots...if we drafted him...he'd be overseas for the year...and after memo's contract is over...the brazilian could come in..and get limited minutes...until he develops...he would develop quicker if he'd be given minutes around 10 a game..in the NBA...i know the D-League is to develop players...but how can you develop them if the talent is so far apart...

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 11, 2011 7:03 p.m.

    CaptainL: A very limited offensive player, I just can't see him in the lottery, he would be just like Collins, Ostertag, Eaton, Brewer, etc. Back off and double team someone else because they can't shoot.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 11, 2011 9:15 p.m.

    Biyombo may be limited offensively but that doesn't mean he can't develop his offensive game, Biyombo is much different than Eaton or Ostertag or Collins, they were slow, unathletic bigs, BB is athletic, quick, fast, has hops, runs well, has offensive potential. Brewer is a wing that couldn't shoot from the outside, BB is an inside player with good strength, hops, mobility, etc, etc, I don't see that he is anything like those players you listed. We need a player that can clog the middle and plays smart. BB could do that, he is active, hardworking, alot like Mathews but he's a big.
    Time will tell & I know he is a bit of a risk because his offensive game hasn't developed yet but he hasn't played basketball that long. If there were alot of sure fire starters/possible allstars in this draft it would be different but there isn't and BB is a good risk, IMO.
    I watched some of the Brazilian and I'm not that impressed, he's not nearly as athletic as BB, he's long, but weak, timewilltell with him too but there's lessriskwith BB.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 12, 2011 6:05 a.m.

    @Captain L

    im not really sold on Biyombo...unless..he really becomes a Ben Wallace...all we need is a big that could anchor the defense...but another undersized C? he should be stronger than dwight howard...and should have some serious hops...if not i'd rather trade the pick for Jevale Mcgee...since they are both of the same mold...

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 12, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    Kakashi: You say you like the Brazilian but he's not nearly as good as BB, he's taller but that's it, no comparison at this point, BB is being compared to Ibaka, I'd take that kind of player anyday, BB may be shorter, but he's got a 7'7" wingspan and then you add to that how active, mobile, aggressive he is and that is the kind of player we need. Remember Defense is our need. The Brazilian may end up a good player but so far he's not close, unless there are some video's I havent seen, he's just potential at this point. BB has a good body, and is the top shotblocker in the best league in the world outside the NBA and one of the top rebounders. He hasn't even been playing the game that long. The Jazz probably won't even look to draft him but to me he's what we need, unless they plan to bring back Fes and bring Tomic over and neither of them play like BB. If we don't sign Fes or Elson, we need some bigs.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 12, 2011 6:12 p.m.

    @Captain L

    you do know the brazilian is under 20 right?...plus the log jam at 4-5 with AL Jeff Millsap Okur and Favors and if they signed fes...you say we need bigs...i agree but a 6'9 undersized center...if he isnt as powerful as dwight howard...what's the point?...also comparisons are vague...Darius Miles was compared to Kevin Garnett when he was drafted...so right now...Biyombo is also only has potential...like every other rookie....they only have potential...i mentioned this when everyone is bashing Hayward and i was defending him...plues he would probably end up...playing the PF position...like Ibaka...I'd rather trade the 12th pick for Jevale Mcgee...i do understand that a defensive big doesnt grow on trees...but right now...i'd rather have a defensive wing...

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 12, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    I know BB is short when it comes to centers but his length makes him as long or longer than most any center in the league, his physical atributes are not bad for an 18 yr old,(if his age is right), 4.8% body fat, 243lbs, athletic/strong, the thing I like about BB is his activity level, hustle, attitude/ work ethic. Plus he is proving he can play at a high level by the way he is playing in the top Euro league and being near the top in rebounds and the top shot blocker. We need that kind of player. The Brazilian doesn't show me the same effort/hustle/work ethic, plus he's several years away from filling out enough to be able to contribute, if he ever fills out. It would be nice to trade a pick, end up with a later pick that we could get the Brazilian, just don't like him in the lottery.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 12, 2011 7:21 p.m.

    Captain L, I think I agree with you probably more than anyone else who contributes to these posts but I'm with Kakashi on this one for this reason; the hardest thing to find and acquire in the NBA and the most crucial to winning is a true center that can play at a high level. This brazilian kid is 18 years old and still filling out and has some nice basketball instincts which tells me he will have a great chance to develop and if your taking a chance on someone it should be one who could help you in the biggest way. Also Center is a position you can get by without being a great shooter. I seriously think you put too much stock in long arms.

    That being said if Jimmer were there at the 12th pick I would pick him for sure over either one of them.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 12, 2011 9:42 p.m.

    Shaybo: I'm not disagreeing with you, I too know center is the hardest position to fill with the type of player we need. If this young Brazilian matures and fills out and has a good motor, he'd be a great pick. I just really like what BB brings to the game, his motor, energy, length, attitude, desire etc reminds me of Mathews in a front court player. Like I said, if the Jazz FO like the Brazilian I'd love to see them make some moves and try to get him later in the first round. I'm not against him, I just like BB more at the present. Time will tell.
    I too like Jimmer.
    This would be my preference in picks if available, #6 Knight or Vesely, maybe Leonard (he's moving up the boards), with the 12th pick, Jimmer(if we didn't pick Knight) Leonard (if available & we didn't pick Vesely), Tobias Harris sounds interesting if we dont' get Vesely or Leonard. I think we need a 3 man and either a pt guard for the future or a big like BB or Brazilian.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 13, 2011 4:18 a.m.

    @Captain L

    you know not every hustle player is a matthews type...there's no such thing as a matthews type...maybe a hustle player but matthews is not a type...he is another player...unique in his own way...like there wont be another jordan...stockton...magic...karl malone...so its better to say that he is a hustle player...also...right now...there's a jam on the 4-5 spots...Al Jeff Favors Millsap Okur and Fes if resigned...also if AK is resigned...he would probably get some minutes there too...if they really wanted a big...they should move some players to provide a roster spot

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 13, 2011 7:58 a.m.

    I like Vesely with #6 but I wouldn't take Knight quite that high, I rate him right there with Jimmer at the #12. I still feel that Harris will be much better next year after he has a chance to settle in so I think Jimmer would be the better choice with his instant offense backing up Harris and Hayward at times.

    I haven't seen much of Tobias Harris but I really don't think Leonard is a good fit for the Jazz, he is even more undersized than Milsap at the #4 and is not a good enough shooter for the #3.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 13, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    The more I have read about Tobias, the more he sounds like a real possibility at the 12 spot if we don't draft a 3 at the 6.
    I only like Vesely if he can play the 3, we don't need him if he ends up being a 4.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 13, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    All of the scouting reports i've seen project him as a #3, I would be very happy if they ended up with him and Jimmer

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 14, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    Can't wait to hear some reports about workouts and how some of these kids show.
    I guess there is always a chance we could move up (or down) depending on the ping pong balls. Ford is going around watching some of these kids at some of the gyms they are working out at, Leonard has been looking good, showing much improved outside shot. Gym rat, hard worker. Kanter is looking good. Haven't heard much about too many other kids.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 14, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Kanter could be another guy like Memo and AK that's on the disabled list half the time, he has bad knees.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 14, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    we need wing defenders...we get killed by the three...i hope Ty changes the defense...to defend the outside a bit more...

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    May 15, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    We had a wing defender with Brewer but he killed us because other teams didn't respect his outside shot, Veseley is supposed to be very good at defending outside shooters because of his quickness and length. No matter how much they say about Leonard's improvement from outside, I will believe it when I see it. I am more inclined to think it's hype to raise his draft status.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 16, 2011 5:49 p.m.

    let's trade our draft picks for next year's draft picks...who knows we might get 3 lottery picks next season...with a better selection of players....