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Tennessee may ban teaching about homosexuality in elementary, middle schools

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  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 1:23 p.m.

    'Last week, a committee in the Tennessee state senate passed a bill that would not allow elementary or middle schools to "provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality," according to Knoxnews.' - Article

    Because, you know, homosexuals don't EXIST before middle school.

    Only heterosexuals, apparently.

    This is more of the same shameful tactic of trying to put children into the debate on sexuality.

    'The overall goal in caring for youth who are or think they might be gay, lesbian, or bisexual is the same as for all youth: to promote normal adolescent development, social and emotional well-being, and physical health. If their environment is critical of their emerging sexual orientation, these adolescents may experience profound isolation and fear of discovery, which interferes with achieving developmental tasks of adolescence related to self-esteem, identity, and intimacy.'

    - American Acadamy of Pediatrics
    - PEDIATRICS Vol. 113 No. 6 June 2004, pp. 1827-1832

    Not allowing your child to talk about sexuality (or the one you DON'T want to them to talk about)...
    only means they will not be talking to YOU about it.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 25, 2011 1:39 p.m.

    RE:Pagan | 1:23 p.m. April 25, 2011

    Children in elementary and middle schools need to be taught what their parents sent them there to learn. Educators are failing to teach the basics which are reading, writing and arithmetic. When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound of the subject of sex education in general, and many of them have failed the practical course in their own personal lives.

    The kids in my elementary school were more interested in baseball, basketball, and soccer than they were about the opposite sex ..... unless the girls were good at kicking the ball.

  • Most Truthful and Patriotic Layton, UT
    April 25, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Even the headline is deceiving!

    It's not "teaching homosexuality" -- it's "teaching ABOUT homosexuality".

    By the time the kids get into high school, they've already wondered about Aunt Sadie and her "room mate", or the single girl's gym teacher. They've also learned the wrong things from social media, entertainment, and uninformed parents.

    Like...maybe we should teach that it's NOT shameful, that it's how people are born, and that driving young gays to suicide is the most immoral thing of all?

    God made you as you are.
    Either God is wrong, or you're wrong to judge.

    I know which I choose.

  • grj Bountiful, ut
    April 25, 2011 1:43 p.m.

    Has it become politically incorrect to mention anything about immorality in the ongoing conversation about homosexuality? I realize they - the so-called LGBT comunity - would rather there not be any mention of such a thing as morality, but sticking their heads in the sand doesn't make it go away. It's a problem to the majority of the people in this country that the homosexual, lesbian etc. community want their agenda taught to my children without regard to the morality - or better worded yet, immorality - of the various behaviors they espouse.

    So, to those of you who propose to teach this agenda to our children: what of morality and immorality? Do we not need to explain that there must be a correctness of sexual behavior in society?

  • Justin.D. provo, ut
    April 25, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    The truth is that our environment is still very critical of homosexuality and many parents would be very upset to find that schools are teaching their children that it is normal.

  • BobP Port Alice, B.C.
    April 25, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    Tennessee has the right program. Being gay is to be discourged.

  • Sarah B SLC, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:03 p.m.

    Young kids don't need sex ed instruction from anyone but their parents. They are the best judge of when it's appropriate and what they want to teach them. Who cares if kids hear misinformation from their friends? I learned about the birds and the bees literally with an illustration drawn in the sandbox by a fellow student. It wasn't quite accurate, but didn't scar or scare me.

    I"m sick of the LGBT's trying to push their agenda even to the youngest and most innocent. In Cali they took kindergartners to a lesbian wedding DURING school hours. Another school had first graders signing a contract from LHBT advocates. Google it if you don't believe me. KPIX in San Francisco has the story on videotape b/c of the outrage in the community.

  • Justin.D. provo, ut
    April 25, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    RE: Most Truthful and Patriotic

    You illustrate exactly the thing that many parents are afraid of - much of what you just said is entirely your own personal beliefs. I don't believe in a God that made us this way or that way, or any God at all for that matter. Nor do I think that the schools need to tell my children that homosexuality is normal or abnormal. In a perfect world the issue would be entirely neutral and students could reach their own conclusions on whether or not they feel it was normal - but this is not a perfect world.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    'When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound of the subject of sex education in general...' - Rifleman | 1:39 p.m.

    That would make sense...
    if the bill also excluded heterosexuality.

    Since it factually does not, the point is invalid.

    Justin.D. | 1:45 p.m., your post I think is closest to the truth. 'Morality' is subjective (Burka's, sister wives, etc.), but gays, exist.

    One is free to associate that with/or against 'norality' as they wish...
    but one CANNOT say that homosexuals do not exist.

    I can actually understand parents NOT wanting their children to be taught about sex, at all. That's fine.

    But for them to then come back and say 'well, we can only teach about ONE sexuality' is 1) Subjective and 2) favors one sexuality over others.

    If TN passed a low ONLY teaching homosexuality, the argument would sound equally as foolish.

    And since the American Acadamy of Pediatrics already has documentation on the adverse affects of being critical to a childs sexuality...

    I want to know the reason, if any, to deny one orientation. When a parent has ZERO control over a childs orientation?

  • Justin.D. provo, ut
    April 25, 2011 2:11 p.m.

    RE: Pagan

    Pagan, short answer. Because one is considered to be normal and one isn't.

    Personally, I think schools do need to educate our youth about their personal development, but I don't think that heterosexual or homosexual discussion needs to be included in that. Educate them on what their bits do and where babies come from and leave the heavier discussions between parents and children.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:13 p.m.

    This is good.

    We should resist the gayness being shoved down our kids' throats as long as possible.

    Kids should not grow up believing that being gay is normal.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    I didn't know they taught homosexuality in grade schools?

    I think they should continue to teach about the consequences of homosexual relationships. That they are unhealthy and immoral.

  • luv2organize Gainesville, VA
    April 25, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    The more I read about the school programs and teachings the more I realize that public school is not for my kids. I can do a better job at teaching my children and avoid all of the politics and political correctness that comes from it. I can teach my kids about sexuality in a way that is appropriate for my family and not rely on the schools to do so. This is so silly that we expect the schools to cover such materials.

  • Sank You, Doctor Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    SarahB: "I"m sick of the LGBT's trying to push their agenda even to the youngest and most innocent. In Cali they took kindergartners to a lesbian wedding DURING school hours. Another school had first graders signing a contract from LHBT advocates. Google it if you don't believe me. KPIX in San Francisco has the story on videotape b/c of the outrage in the community. "

    Sarah, the parents of those students took their own children to that wedding as a surprise for their teacher. It was not a school event, but was organized by the students parents. I know you do not want to pass on misinformation so I thought you would like to hear the truth about this. The truth has been on the web, in newspapers and debunked for quite a while. Please check your sources for other half truths and misinformation.

    Thanks.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    'Educate them on what their bits do and where babies come from and leave the heavier discussions between parents and children.' - Justin.D. | 2:11 p.m.

    I agree. We just have too many examples that is not done.

    *'Bristol Palin has book deal' - By Hillel Italie - AP - Published by DSNews - 03/01/11
    '...from becoming a single mother while still a teenager to coping as her relationship with her baby's father crumbled publicly not once, but twice," according to Morrow.'

    And, I agree that no one is 'normal.'

    Except Chris B. and BobP, of course. :) Commenting on someone else's sex life is 'normal' for them.

    I find all this effort to control sexuality kind of tragic.

    When most people can't deny their OWN sexuality, let alone someone else's.

    *'Psychologists nix gay-to-straight therapy' - AP - 08/05/09

    'The American Psychological Association slams technique that seeks to change sexual orientation.
    No solid evidence exists that such change is likely, says the report, and some research suggests that efforts to produce change could be harmful, inducing depression and suicidal tendencies.'

  • DeltaFoxtrot West Valley, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:48 p.m.

    Since when did they start teaching about sexuality in elementary or middle schools? Sure, you can teach about the human reproductive system if you want to... it's a natural part of biology. But what does sexual preference have to do with anything?

    At such young ages we should be focusing on the core subjects. Reading, Writing, History, Mathematics and the Physical Sciences. All this mess about psychology and philosophy can wait.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    April 25, 2011 2:55 p.m.

    Their should be a compromise at least! If the states are going to start passing bills that homosexuality should be taught in public schools. Then Religion should also be taught in schools to balance out something thats immoral with something moral. My belief along with millions of other Americans beliefs is that schools should NOT teach homosexuality! I do not want my future children to learn that being gay is normal. I want them to live and abide by Christian principles.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    'Since when did they start teaching about sexuality in elementary or middle schools?' - DeltaFoxtrot | 2:48 p.m.

    They don't. This bill targets if the STUDENT brings up the subject with the teacher. Or if OTHER student's parents bring up the subject with the teacher.

    '...especially as it bars teachers from talking about gay issues or sexuality even with students who identify as gay or have gay parents." The legislation has even been deemed the "don't say gay" bill.' - Article

    I realize some will never agree with anything I do or say, but this is about the subject when the CHILD brings it up! And that only allows the teacher to talk about ONE sexuality. Heterosexuality.

    There is more than one.

    And, once again, if you deny the child to talk to you about any emerging sexuality, or questions about it...
    they will go to another source.

    It's just a question if you want them to feel comfortable going to YOU...

    or other elementary students.

    Because that's a MUCH 'better' source. Some kids on the street.

    Sarcasm off.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    @Rifleman

    "When it comes to morality many teachers aren't certified to expound of the subject of sex education in general, and many of them have failed the practical course in their own personal lives."

    This isn't about teaching sex, this would be something no more than just noting some kids have two mommies or two daddies.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 25, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    Re: Pagan | 2:59 p.m. April 25, 2011
    "Because that's a MUCH 'better' source. Some kids on the street."

    Personally I think some 'kids on the street' have a better understanding of the birds and the bees than some adults who are still searching for the answers and will never figure it out.

    Based on my personal experience kids in elementary school have more age appropriate things on their mind than taking interest in the opposite sex.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 25, 2011 3:59 p.m.

    Perhaps homosexuality should be included within the current DARE program. It could be called DAGRE, Drug Abuse and Gay Resistance Education.

    "Just say NO" to being gay

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    April 25, 2011 4:06 p.m.

    "Last week, a committee in the Tennessee state senate passed a bill that would not allow elementary or middle schools to "provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality,"
    Heterosexuality is constantly being taught in schools, movies, the street, park, everywhere. Because it is the norm. Because most people are heterosexuals.
    The importance of teaching about homosexuality within the context of family and as a fact of life for some people, will not negatively affect heterosexual kids. But it will help many kids who at an early age "know or perceive " they are different. Children who have homosexual parents will understand that they are a family too.
    Homosexuality nor Heterosexuality are contagious. Understanding and bigotry can be contagious. When we refuse to talk or teach about homosexuality, automatically we are making homosexuality 'wrong'. Schools are places for learning about life, the world, humanity, sciences, etc. Human sexuality encompasses all those areas, why not teach it without emotion or bias, but pragmatically as part of the human experience?

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    April 25, 2011 5:02 p.m.

    All children are born by a mother and a father. Elementary children recognize this even if they live with a single parent. Gays and lesbians do not bring children into the world. It is absurdly ridiculous to teach young children about homosexuality before they reach adolescence although I would prefer they don't teach them about it at all considering the politicization of the entire movement. There is already too much misinformation about homosexuality that is driven by those who have a political agenda. Tennessee is correct to prohibit it in elementary schools as well as Utah. When they are old enough to understand it, and if it is taught in it's correct context, then it's up to the states to decide. I, for one, do not think it should be taught at all. However, considering the sheer numbers that are involved in homosexuality, some aspects of it should be brought to the awareness of adolescents so they can make a proper choice. Also so they can avoid the obvious misunderstandings that abound in a discussion regarding it.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 25, 2011 5:34 p.m.

    I was raised on a farm and at a very early age understood about the 'birds and the bees'. It all seemed very normal to me and I didn't need an education system with an agenda to explain their slant on the issue.

    At that very early age I was taught about morality and why it was important. Every boyscout takes an oath to be morally straight and it is one of the requirements to earn the Eagle Award.

    How did the human species survived all these many centuries without teachers trying to teach their version of morality is a mystery to me.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 25, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    RE: Pagan

    Why homosexuality shouldn't be taught at all in schools.

    Here is is a several fold response.

    Homosexuality is not normal nor natural.

    Homosexuality is a learned behavior.

    Homosexuality is a recruited lifestyle.

    Gays are always try to convince others they are gay to bring them into to the lifestyle, they lie to them, they tell this or that behavior or thought, or lack of feeling, means they are gay. they try to get taught in school and in school literature to normalize it to get convinces others to that disgusting lifestyle.

    No one naturally wants to be sodomized or to sodomize.

    We certainly do not need schools to actively partipate in homosexual recruitng.

  • David B. Cedar City, UT
    April 25, 2011 6:06 p.m.

    Back in the day when I was in school you had to learn Math,History, Science, English,and a language and this was in the late sixties. Tennessee is dead on in this.There is no place for this in school period considering the low grades and where we are in the world standings.As great as our country is being #19 and #22 in math and science and basically lower than everybody else just don't cut it. I'll tell you where we do accel in and that's arrogance(#1), whining(#2),and sheer lazyness (#3)! Grow up America and get the priorities straight!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 25, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    THAT will make it go away.

  • Just Me being Me Layton, ut
    April 25, 2011 6:25 p.m.

    Sexual Education should be up to the parents. Not some social group. Same as religion and social activities their children want to participate in. My children will be taught my beliefs on these subjects. I thank God everyday for the ability to live in a morally righteous state. And no I am not LDS. Remember, you have the right to choose to be conservative just like some choose to be liberal. It is about finding the common ground and respecting and tolerating each others choices. Find peace.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 25, 2011 6:42 p.m.

    Re: the truth | 5:51 p.m. April 25, 2011

    None of the reasons you list are valid for banning homosexual propaganda. It is the belief of the majority of traditional parents that sex is inseparably linked with morality, and that the place for those values to be taught is in the home.

    A quick trip to the farm is all that is necessary to understand what nature intended.

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    April 25, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    @Rifleman | 6:42 p.m. April 25, 2011

    [ A quick trip to the farm is all that is necessary to understand what nature intended. ]

    Actually, homosexual behavior has been observed - empirically - in several hundred species of birds and mammals. I know researchers who study animal sexual behavior. Maybe you should spend more time in the barn.

    [ It is the belief of the majority of traditional parents that sex is inseparably linked with morality, and that the place for those values to be taught is in the home. ]

    I can understand this view. Sex, though, is a biological function that ought to be talked about objectively. There's no guarantee parents will be sufficient educators about everything that should be discussed. They may not have all of the facts, say, regarding diseases and, of course, sexual orientation. The information provided in schools can compliment what's taught in the home. And parents who don't want their children to attend such classes should be able to opt out.

  • ajas Herriman, UT
    April 25, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    Way to go, Tennessee!!!

  • Christy Beaverton, OR
    April 26, 2011 12:31 a.m.

    This is absolutely NO different from what was happening about 50 years ago with civil rights. And in 50 years we will look back on this with as much awe and shame that people actually fought against equal rights for our fellow brothers and sisters.

    Mark my words.

  • Just Me being Me Layton, ut
    April 26, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    Sex produces two things:

    First is a bond between the two people participating.

    Second is production.

    Any sexual activity can produce the first, only male/female can produce the second(barring any physical conditions),which then a bond between a family is produced. Sex is had for production and bonding. That is why homosexuality is not productive, nor an accepted form of sex. It is pleasure when it has no productive value.