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  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    April 22, 2011 1:07 a.m.

    I know one thing, the U. S. congressional delegation in Washington from Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky will never agree to accept any kind of "de facto" amnesty like the amnesty Utah so proudly offers to illegals against the wishes of the vast majority of Utahns and LDS Church members.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    April 22, 2011 1:38 a.m.

    Anything that encourages people to come to our country where they can be exploited working for substandard wages while having no possibility of citizenship is not in the best interest of the people it is supposedly created to help. When our business and government leaders say we need these people to come here and be a subservient underclass, it differs only by degree from the inhumanity of importing slaves in our dark and distant past. These 'essential' workers are not owned by others but they don't own themselves either because they have to work under someone else's identity.

    Instead of importing other nations' poverty to hold down wages here we need to export our ideals of freedom and morality-based capitalism to those other countries. Lift your fellow man where he is instead of bringing him here to exploit his willingness to work for your own greed.

  • Gentile brookings, SD
    April 22, 2011 6:16 a.m.

    Utah actually showed courage. A little wisdom. This is why the leg. makes the news. The reactions are more telling than the legislation.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 22, 2011 6:18 a.m.

    "The commandment to 'love thy neighbor.' should be a strengthening of the church policy for people to come here legally, to not take jobs that don't belong to them, or to use another persons id to find work. If they "loved thy neighbor" we would not have this problem. Is rewarding illegal behavior love?

    "The importance of keeping families intact." does this just relate to people who break one set of laws, or to all law breakers who may be separated from their families for what they did? Applying this to just immigration lawbreaking is wrong. It's an attempt to justify illegal behavior.

    I don't see compassion here. Without requiring all men to be bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, we are showing just the opposite. Allowing someone to suffer their own consequences is an act of love, and it shows true compassion.

  • BYU Alum Cedar Hills, UT
    April 22, 2011 6:22 a.m.

    This goes across party lines. I am a Democrat and my wife a Republican. No amnesty! No more cutting in line in front of legal immigrants. No more taking jobs from US citizens. No more free medical care at my expense. No more lowered tuition and taking slots at state universities. No more Mexican gang violence. No more ranchers killed in Arizona. No more car accidents with uninsured aliens...

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    April 22, 2011 6:38 a.m.

    Wasn't it conservative icon Ron Reagan who granted amnesty to over 3 million illegals in 1986? Does this mean that Reagan is now too liberal to be a Republican?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    April 22, 2011 6:53 a.m.

    BO typical "leadership" style is once again on display. He does nothing but meet with interested parties and tells them to go do something. He promised immigration reform, but has done NOTHING towards immigration reform. BO lied. In this case, though, I'm glad he lied. I'm sure his "reform" would be amnesty.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    April 22, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    I am betting Herbert will not want the feds to waste time throwing rocks at this bill. It would make this bill and the other insidious bill he passed seem like he did not know what he was doing.

    If Herbert wants immigration in Utah there are literally thousands on legal waiting lists who are keeping the rules USA outlined in order for them to come here.

    Those illegals here did not like our law so they broke it. Herbert did not like our law so he passed an illegal law.

    What is the problem? Is the law broke or is it too hard for the governor and illegals to keep?

  • Ok Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 22, 2011 6:58 a.m.

    Just start by enforcing the laws we already have in place. Send illegals home. Welcome legal immigrants. And plug that hole in our southern border.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    April 22, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    The american people have been sold out again.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    April 22, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    Is the LDS Church trying to outflank Bishop Wester?
    Why would they throw their hat in the ring on this issue.
    Perhaps Mortensen is correct; they are protecting their interests in Mexico.
    It seems that this is a strange issue for the Church. With Prop 8 there were letters to leaders, Ensign articles, even mention of it in Conference.
    Why the silence on the illegal alien issue?

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    April 22, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    Utah compact - A great idea. Some may not want to show compassion, but it is the Christlike thing to do. If I was living in Mexico and had a family to support - I would have crossed the border into the United States to feed my family.

    It is dishonest to expect others to say "It is against the law to cross the border without receiving permission form the Republicans, so I will not do that. I will let my children go hungry."

    Of course most would cross the border to support their family!

    The United States has long been the gathering place for the poor, downtrodden masses to come and make a better life for themselves and their families.

    That is what has made our country great!

  • JP71 Ogden, UT
    April 22, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    I have not always been supportive of some sort of work permit but I have come to understand that there is a human face to immigration. Many say the law is the law no if, and, or buts. But, if the law was changed I believe many of these same people would still oppose letting in new immigrants. From the beginning in the U.S. there have been groups of people opposed to any type of immigration no matter what the circumstances. We have a great nation and it is our duty to have reasonable compassion on others.

    I am a fourth generation immigrant from England, and I support this law.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    April 22, 2011 8:06 a.m.

    We can all be so proud of BH116, especially when you realize that it was rammed through by Chamber of Commmerce Republicans who own hotels, dairy farms, etc.
    The basis for this wasn't phony "compassion" but rather the desire to perpetuate the "plantation philosophy" of "we need the slaves to pick the cotton". The Utah CON PACT is nothing but an unholy alliance of churches and businesses who benefit from exploiting illegals and now want to make sure they can continue on with it under the cloak of "compassion". Its always nice to profit and then pat yourself on the back for your humanitarianism. All principles of fairness and the rule of law have now gone right out the window in favor of the desire to exploit a vulnerable class of people who have no right to even be here in the first place. Money is a great motivator, you can even get churches to go against their own previously stated principles if the price is right.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    April 22, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    Things I like about this law:

    -The illegal immigrants affected will not be put on a path to citizenship. They will just be allowed to work here. To me, amnesty is when you just hand them citizenship.

    -It makes it harder to be here illegally if they haven't paid the fine and gone through the process required to work here legally.

    -The process will make it possible for them to pay taxes, have auto and health insurance, and be a contributing part of the system without giving them citizenship.

    Things I don't like:

    -Only illegals qualify for the work permit. If you're here legally on a student visa, you don't qualify. You would have to overstay your visa and become illegal to get a work permit.

    -It allows too many relatives to come here with one illegal that qualifies. It should only be immediate family, not every conceivable distant relative.

    -It is unfair to those who have waited to come legally. The process needs to be easier for them. There should be some benefit to obeying the law!

    While it isn't perfect, I'm interested in seeing how Washington responds. They need a push!

  • Emophiliac Vernal, UT
    April 22, 2011 8:17 a.m.

    I gave Arizona $100 to support their laws. I would easily give a Utah organization $500 or more to overturn HB116 (and a few other bills that passed this term) either by getting them repealed in the special session, by supporting a class-action lawsuit against Utah by unemployed Utahns, or by getting a proposition on the next ballot that repeals those laws. I didn't bother signing the petition against HB116 because there is no clear indication it will have any effect in overturning these bills. Someone with legal backing needs to attack these bills.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    April 22, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    I really am tired of hearing the old refrain from the boo hoos that our immigration system is broken It is not broken it is unenforced. Pure and simple. The libs want an amnesty for votes and the Repubs want one for cheap labor. The church needs access to the Latin Countries for missionary work. There you go.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    April 22, 2011 8:23 a.m.

    There are millions of people each year that come here legally for green cards and work visas. Those who choose to come here illegally make the choice not to wait in line like everyone else around the world. And Mexico has the 12th best economy in the world. Let's stop making excuses for the lawbreaking, shall we?

    The Utah compact puts all the responsibility on America's citizens, and none on those who broke our laws. They also have to be compassionate, they need to love thy neighbor, and they need to make decisions to keep their family together.

    We are fighting for the survival of the American family, for every person here illegally that is working in the non agriculture fields, an American is out of work. Where is the compassion from the lawbreakers and the businessmen that hire them?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 22, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    If Utah / America doesn't get serious about STOPPING illegal immigration and creating a more secure border the long term economic and social effects will be grim. Someone has to pay for all the free emergency room care that illegals get as well as food stamps and other perks not to mention the glut of jobs that illegals take from legal citizens. In todays economy it is just plain wrong to suggest that illegals take the jobs that legal citizens don't want. This is just dumb. The reason illegals get the jobs is because employers can pay less to hire illegals which is great until you consider the unemployment rate in the US - nearly 10%. Now throw in all the violent crime brought to Utah / US by illegal Hispanics and the human and economic costs are staggering. There is nothing humain or right about turning your head while your neighbors home / business is robbed or bullets fly through the air in your neighborhood along with the flood of drugs as well. Time to take care of our own!! One thing is for sure ... Obama won't do it!!

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    April 22, 2011 9:23 a.m.

    While we're endorsing this double standard, would you PLEASE allow the British Saints to drink tea? After all, it is so hard to keep ALL of the commandments.

  • tiger1 New York, NY
    April 22, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    About time church does it right for the unprotected on this issue.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    April 22, 2011 9:58 a.m.

    Mr. Obama loves to hold meetings and give lectures just like a true law professor and then hurry's off for a round of golf. Does this guy do any real work? This country is starving for someone to lead and solve problems and Mr. Obama just keeps campaigning and going on vacation.

  • jimhale Eugene, OR
    April 22, 2011 11:57 a.m.

    I am all for legality.

    Let's triple the size of the line coming from Mexico and make everybody, including those already here, go through THAT line....on into the future.

    The line is simply not big enough now.

    That would be the law. That would be legal. That would be a federal solution.

    That would make everybody happy.

    Right?

    Except for the racists and religious bigots among us who just don't like brown and Catholic people......but who love to hide behind obeying, honoring and sustaining the law.

    It's not about the law. It's all about the numbers.

    When are the members of the threatening "base" of the GOP going to face up to the implications of their opinions.

  • Jon W. Murray, UT
    April 22, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    In the true spirit of compromise, I offer the following thoughts on amnesty: 1) some politicians want amnesty for illegal aliens because they think those aliens, if they become citizens, will vote for them and their party. 2) Other politicians don't want amnesty for illegal aliens because they are afraid that those aliens, if they become citizens, will vote for their opponents and the other party.

    Therefore, the compromise is this: make those illegal aliens who have established an otherwise law-abiding life in the US permanent legal residents, upon the payment of a fine, but remove forever the possibility of them becoming US citizens with voting rights.

    PS - what happened to the practice of putting a party designation by the name and state of a member of Congress?

  • danaslc Kearns, UT
    April 22, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    I can see where Obama would embrace this with open arms. He does believe in change and we all know that. He wants to change to the United States into One World Rule. I think that the Utah Government is very comfortable with Obama's vision.

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2011 12:53 p.m.

    @Jon W

    That's why I support the Utah Compact. It is not amnesty, because they are not made citizens, they are just given the legal ability to work here. That means they cannot vote.

    If they want that privilege and will respect it, they have to become citizens.

    I have been saddened to see the lack of support to a collection of bills that has enforcement, immigration reform, opportunity, and a few punches to the boys in Washington.

    I know someone who was legally adopted from another country and has lived here all his life since he was an infant. He has participated in everything American, including the boy scouts. But the US of A will not grant him citizenship!!! If that's due to the 'tough' laws that all of you are in favor of (which it is), then no wonder people immigrate here illegally. It can basically be impossible to become a citizen for many who are already nationals. Why would someone who isn't a national even try?

  • RRB SLC, UT
    April 22, 2011 2:33 p.m.

    When someone chooses to come here illegally for a job, allowing them to stay and work is amnesty. That's what HB116 does. American workers are not going to sit by and let each state give away their jobs.

    It's not fair to our citizens and those in other countries waiting to come here legally. It's failing to enforce consequences on those who put their family in danger, and are bad neighbors to others by breaking their laws.

  • Clinton King (Ephraim) Ephraim, UT
    April 22, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    The current federal laws regarding immigration are idiotic.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    April 23, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    I believe that it is high time the laws are enforce. Stop giving away all the free medical, food, and schooling to the people that are here illegal, and send them home packing. I know that it will break families up, but they are the ones who came here illegally ore married some one who was here illegally. What the problem, I am for one is tired of seeing tax dollars being spent on the illegals, let start spending it on people that are here in this country that needs the help and not on the illegals.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 23, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    HB 469 throws out over 100 years of US case law about immigration, creates a way for Utahns to sponsor people from around the world, providing the immigrants are not in the US illegally.

    The Constitution of the United States grants authority to the federal government to regulate foreign commerce and to adopt a uniform rule of naturalization. [Citizenship not Immigration]

    HB 469 claims that there is NOTHING in the US Constitution that grants the Federal Government power over Immigration and prior Case Law starting 100 years ago, the States had that Power.

    It tells the Federal Government to protect our borders, create rules for granting citizenship, but as the State of Utah, we can take care of immigration, thank you very much.

    The sponsoring principle of HB 469 provides a limiting factor of how fast immigrants can come, makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we can handle, and is more like co-signing a friend's car loan. It is the truly unique piece of the puzzle. With it, you don't need HB 116. Someone here illegally could find a sponsor, go home and come back with permission.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    April 24, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    It may appeal to those who want a quick fix, but HB 116 will not work. Current visa law requires a person here be hired for a job an American is not available to do. And does not depress wages in that field of work. Because of that stipulation, many of those who apply will not be able to retain their current job. To do so would violate immigration and labor laws. This was poorly planned out.

    A misguided attempt to show compassion that will create a bigger mess. Our country can't employ 15-20 million citizens right now.

    HB 469 will never happen, sponsorship is limited to families to stop people from exploiting people from other countries.

    Let's encourage compassion from all sides, ask those here illegally to love thy neighbor and return home, so they may come back at a later time in a legal fashion. And the business owner needs to love they neighbor by not breaking laws to fatten his wallet. I would like to see a 3 month moratorium for people to return home, without the 10 year return penalty.

  • Kathy. Provo, Ut
    April 24, 2011 12:37 p.m.

    The recommendation that we triple the amount of individuals from our southern border that are allowed to legally come in the US doesn't make sense. Individuals that are not even fluent in their own language, have almost no job skills and register for food stamps the first day they arrive are not what we need going forward.

    If we flood our country with individuals with less then a third grade education and immense drain on tax dollars. We move downward towards a third world country quickly.

    I vote for documented work needed jobs and allowing legal workers in the country but no citizenship. Workers only and not their families, that is the only way we can stop pouring our tax dollars out to support them.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    April 24, 2011 11:11 p.m.

    Herbert's characterization of U.S. Rep. Lamar Smith letter to the Attorney General as "throwing rocks at Utah" is disingenuous at best. HB116 is dishonest, illegal, unconstitutional, and corrupt at the core as its real purpose is to serve special interests, contrary to the will and interests of the people.

  • JimW Wets Valley City, UT
    April 25, 2011 3:55 p.m.

    How about putting a personal face to identity theft?