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Mike Sorensen: Should the Utah Jazz really draft Jimmer Fredette?

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  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 17, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    As bad as the Jazz have been using first round picks past number 3, they might as well take a shot at Jimmer if available at the 12 spot. As good as he is at shooting the 3 and creating his own shot, its a gamble worth taking for the Jazz.

    They desperately need a 3 point threat that can open the middle for favors and AJ. Jimmer wont have a problem adapting the NBA 3 point line.

    Defensively, he will work on that over the next few years.

    Overall I say take him at 12. Please don't touch him at 6.

  • Willber14 Palos Verdes Estates, CA
    April 17, 2011 11:56 p.m.

    If the Jazz have a chance at Jimmer with the 12th pick, they need to take him. They have nothing to lose, even if Fredette turns out to be a bust, they can get rid of him in a couple of years. The Jazz get rid of all of their first round picks within a couple of years anyways.(Maynor, Almond, Brewer, Koufus) It is not a high risk to take him at 12. Unless there is some player that slips to 12 that is an obvious pick, the Jazz should take Jimmer for ticket sales alone.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 17, 2011 11:59 p.m.

    Fans would love it and if Jimmer can continue develop like he has these past 3 yrs. it would be a great chance to take.

    These lotteries and draft picks are all a 'crap shoot' anyway. Jazz won't lose any money on this kid. It would boost interest locally.

    Go for it and I'll watch more Jazz games just to see him play.

  • PapaSmurf Rocklin, CA
    April 18, 2011 12:12 a.m.

    Big BYU fan. Big Jimmer fan. PLEASE do not draft Jimmer! Only one way for it to work out good and many ways for it to go bad.

  • OU812 Layton, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    Disagree, if you hope Jimmer succeeds, it won't be with the Jazz. Kyle Korver had difficult times getting shots off at his height and that was with Deron, Boozer and others on the floor. Jimmer would fare better with teams with multiple all-stars that you wouldn't be able to cheat on. I hope he goes to the Knicks.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    April 18, 2011 12:14 a.m.

    trade for dwight howard + draft the jimmer = championship, i don't care if he is only korver.2, he will be great piece to put around dh.

  • BlueSaint South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:21 a.m.

    Knowing JAZZ history, they will blow it and not draft him!! It is all about pulling you fans in, but just not quite delivering with the Jazz. I want to know how is it that teams like Boston, LA Lakers, San Antonio, Chicago, Detroit, and others go thru down years, but then comeback with a vengeance and win Championships?? Why has this organization not delivered a Championship to this State and it's fans?

    Jazz will never win anything!! They play it too safe. Never going for that big move that will take them to the next level. I won't even begin on how many top players the Jazz blew it on when it came to the draft...I want to be a Jazz Fan, but getting more and more difficult as the years go by!!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 18, 2011 12:34 a.m.

    Corbin is altering the flex. Bell is obsolete because he is a spot up shooter. The new offense needs people who can create their own shot. That means CJ has more value in the new offense. Jimmer can create. Many NBA players can't.

    The Jazz are -4.7 PER at the SG position. They are also negative PER at the PG position. The guards are allowing 5+ more points than they are making. Jimmer's D could not be any worse and his shooting would be a lot better.

    Jimmer has a very quick first step. He is also fast. He can defend if the coaches want. He knows how to attack a Defense. He has a high Bball IQ. He can be developed in to a very good PG. Probably a lot better than Harris. He has a linebacker build similar to DWill. He can set and attack screens.

    He should be compared to Jason Kidd without the experience.

    Knight is a good pick. Burkes might be.

    The Jazz do not need another big. They need wings who can shoot and a PG who can run the offense and shoot efficiently.

    Fix the wing problem.

  • JazzRule Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:41 a.m.

    No.

    People say to draft him because he will put those BYU fans in the Jazz arena. Well 2 points:

    1st - Where will those fans be after a year if Jimmer does miserably in the NBA? Nowhere to be seen thats where.

    2nd - Winning puts people in seats too. Get the best player that best fits our needs and our system, not a marketing ploy.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 18, 2011 12:44 a.m.

    Fans and local media seem fixated on the Jazz getting a big in the draft with the first pick. Bluntly that is not bright. The front line of AJ/Millsap/Favors is very good. The rebounding is a little weak. The efficiency could improve.

    The biggest problem is the SG position followed by the SF and PG positions. Go look at the differential by Net PER for each position. The Jazz have been weak at SG for years by design. This year they were so bad that it KILLED the vaunted Sloan system. It actually choked for lack of outside shooting.

    PER is problematic as a metric, NET PER is NOT. The Jazz are dismal at SG. They can't shoot or defend at that position. Weakness at the SG drags down the PG numbers and kills the inside efficiency. The inside TOs go up and the inside shooting percentage goes down as the paint gets packed.

    The Jazz were killed by Sloan's bias against outside shooting. KOC and Greg deserve some blame.

    BUT Sloan did not design for 3 point shooting on offense and designed the D to make it vulnerable to 3 point shooting.

  • The NIT Draper, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:15 a.m.

    It's really simple - "NO". The Jazz need someone who has heard that you have to play defense in the NBA.

  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:16 a.m.

    We are in desperate need of "consistent" 3 point shooters. Hayward looks promising, Harris has been raining 3's when Big Al looks to pass out of a double team. Getting Jimmer can open the floor for our big guys in Favors, Sap, and Al. Don't forget Memo is coming back, but we don't know if he can return to "Money Memo".

    Most PG's who come into the league usually takes them 2-3 years to get into the flow of the game.

    Draft Jimmer at 6 or 12 it doesn't matter, there aren't any Lebrons, Durants, or Wades out there.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    April 18, 2011 2:12 a.m.

    If things stay as they currently are with the Jazz drafting at 6 and 12, then I'm fine with the Jazz taking Jimmer at the 12 spot.

    If, however, the Collective Bargaining Agreement gets settled soon, it's highly likely a number of other College players will declare for the draft and Jimmer's position would slide.

    Fredette could actually fit in quite well with the Jazz; especially if he can get Harris and Watson to kick the ball out to him. In my opinion, he is quicker than Korver and has the ability create his own shot as long as he isn't being guarded by a super quick guard. If he's utilized in the right way, he could develop into the deadly outside threat the Jazz need.

    However, it won't surprise me if the Jazz pull off a trade that packages one or both of their picks and/or a player to bring them a "proven" talent from another team. (Likely Memo or CJ Miles.)

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    April 18, 2011 3:13 a.m.

    i say bundle up the two high draft picks plus CJ Miles' contract, even include okur, for a real scorer at the 2 spot. the jazz already have hayward, favors and evans to develop the next few years. millsap and Jefferson, with favors, gives the jazz competent bigs. a couple of consistent outside shooters who can defend is what the jazz lacks.

  • killerbees Queensbury, NY
    April 18, 2011 5:12 a.m.

    If the Jazz get the #3 pick and they need a guard type player, picking Jimmer over Irving would make sense as Jimmer is better. Irving has played what 11 games? There's just not enough weight there, he hasn't proved anything. At the same time. Jimmer lived in Utah and played there but it is not his home! I am from NY, where Jimmer is from and would love to see him get home, back to his roots playing for the Knicks. Would be a better fit and I think he would get the same love, if not more than he gets in Utah.
    I have watched more NBA this year than in the past and mark my words, Jimmer will meet his match periodically but............. he will have similar success at the next level as he has had as most NBA players don't play defense!

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    April 18, 2011 5:38 a.m.

    I'm guessing that Jimmer will do all right in the NBA as a role player, something like J J Redick. Redick went #11 in his draft. Still, I'd rather see Burks drafted, because he has good defensive ability and would eventually start for the team that drafts him. If the Jazz can't get Burks, then maybe Kemba Walker.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:01 a.m.

    This article makes sense. I cannot see any real scenario in which the Jazz would seriously benefit from drafting Jimmer. He would be better with a team that would take him off the bench to hit the three-pointer when they need that. His defensive skills and size make him deficient at guarding NBA guards. We need players with size and multiple skills that could play at different positions. Jimmer would be better off playing with a top team coming off their bench.

  • SimonSays Riverton, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    Jimmer Jazz! That has a nice ring to it. I think ticket sales alone would be reason enough to have him on the roster.

  • Cherrycoug Kearns, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:43 a.m.

    If Jimmer is the best remaining player available @ 12 and the Jazz think he can help them win, then I would be OK with the draft pick. If they pass up someone that they have rated higher to draft Jimmer for ticket sales, then I would not be OK with the draft pick. The Jazz have prided themselves on making basketball decisions and that is what I expect will happen here.

    I would love to have Jimmer on the Jazz but I think he fits in better with Phoenix, Golden State, or New York. I trust the Jazz front office to do what is best for the franchise. I wasn't excited about Hayward when he was picked and I have been eating crow for a couple of weeks now. Jimmer will be successful with the Jazz or any other organization.

  • Coach Ogden, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:44 a.m.

    That's all the Jazz need is another 7' Euro that doesn't amount to a hill of beans!

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    April 18, 2011 6:56 a.m.

    If Spud Webb could get shots off I'm sure Jimmer could.
    Besides, it would put fans in the seats that normally wouldn't go.
    I wouldn't go because, well, we'll leave it at that.

  • #1 Jazz Fan Springville, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:08 a.m.

    They should draft Jimmer for the simple reason that it would renew the fanaticism in the franchise. Jimmer comes with his own local fan base who would love to be able to watch him play.

  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:15 a.m.

    Speaking of Lottery, Jazz Cop, you should enter the California lottery. Odds of winning that are better than the odds of getting Howard from Orlando.

  • dustman Nampa, ID
    April 18, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    Jimmer had a great season at BYU, but the Jazz NEED something different. They need someone big and tough down low to rebound and play defense down there. Jimmer ain't that tall or that quick (even in the zone) which could put other people in foul trouble that help him on defense. Jazz need someone big and strong, that can rebound.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 18, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    There are a lot of delusional fans who think the jimer can be taught defense but I beleive it's more of personality trait then a skill. Playing defense requires a "team" fist mantality with the williness to sacrifice.

    the jimer is not that.

    Also, the jimer is quite possibly the most un-athletic pg to "potentially" be drafted in the first round in over 15 years. The awkward crashing and bumping to the hoop used against mid-major teams will not work in the NBA...period.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    No. No way. uh NO!!!

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:37 a.m.

    If he can learn to play defense and pass the ball, there might be a place for him. He has a lot going against him. Height, speed, defense. He can shoot. See what happens. At least the upper rafters will be full of the cougar faithful.

  • Sloppyj30 Saint Louis, MO
    April 18, 2011 7:39 a.m.

    I'm on the fence about his pro prospects, but in a weak draft, you take him at 12. Are there really many better (non-project) prospects out there? You know what you're getting with Fredette. I'm not saying he can't improve various parts of his game, but as far as potential draftees go, he's as much a finished product as there is.

    The dude that said Jimmer should be compared to "Jason Kidd without the experience" is a little off-target, to be kind. Their games are nothing alike with the exception that they both have a "PG" after their names on the roster.

    Kidd has been a brutal perimeter shooter for most of his career, but a magician setting up teammates in transition. He was also big and strong enough to post up most any other PG and get a bucket and/or a foul. Solid defender.

    That doesn't sound like Jimmer, does it? Deadly long ball, creative interior scorer, sure, but he was a shoot-first guy (and rightly so). His defense, I predict, will not be a strength, but he won't be nearly as poor as his detractors insist.

  • Mount Olympus Salt Lake, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:42 a.m.

    Jimmer would make the Jazz defense even worse, yes somehow that is possible.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    April 18, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    Prediction: Jimmer will be the greatest three-point shooter in the hisory of the league, he will improve all other aspects of his game, including defense, because he will also be the hardest worker in the history of the league. He will be a super-star and the face of the NBA. Why in the world would the Jazz ever be interested in such a player?

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    I found an article on the internet showing what the Jazz salary situation will be next year. If the Jazz do not pick up Miles' option, the Jazz salary will be $53,317,617 (for Harris, Hayward, Favors, Jefferson, Bell, Millsap, Okur and Evans). If they do pick up Miles' option, the Jazz salary will be $57,017,627. Last year's salary for Ekpe Udoh (the 6th pick) was $3,065,040. Last year's salary for Cole Aldrich (the 12th pick) was $2,126,520. It is highly unlikely the Jazz will be able to trade the players they probably don't want (Bell and Okur), or that they will trade Millsap, whom they still need badly. It is also unlikely they can get a better player than Miles for $3.7 mil. on the open market. Finally, from everything Kirilenko is saying, it would appear the Jazz could sign him for $5 mil. next year. If the Jazz could also re-sign Watson and Fesenko for a combined salary of $3 mil. I think they should do it. This would put the Jazz at $70,209,157--just under this year's luxury tax figure.

  • goitalone w bountiful, ut
    April 18, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    Maybe yes and maybe no.

    The Jazz have some serious rebuilding to consider. They have about dismantled the franchise. They need to make decisions, not on popularity contests and not on local or national infatuation with the Jimmer, but based on sound needs analysis and what will strengthen the franchise.

    Whilw Jimmer is a proven college scorer, that stat alone has never been a barometer of ability to translate that into the NBA system. His defense is suspect. His ability to score against proven NBA defense has never been tested.

    The Jazz ought to move cautiously before hanging their hat on the Jimmer hatrack. I loved watching the show, but NBA is a fragile business sometimes.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:26 a.m.

    If the Jazz are unable to make trades for Okur or Bell, are unable to trade their draft picks or move up in the draft, and re-sign Kirilenko, Miles, Watson and Fesenko, I think their line-up should look like this, with the young guys starting and most of the Jazz veterans on the bench:

    Harris Watson
    Hayward Bell
    Miles Kirilenko Evans
    Favors Millsap
    Jefferson Okur Fesenko
    6th draft pick, 6th draft pick

    This lineup would give the Jazz a chance to let their young players develop with good depth on the bench. The Jazz could also start different lineups, depending on matchups, with Kirilenko and Millsap in the starting lineup. If the luxury tax was to be the same as last year, this lineup would also be just under the luxury tax.

    The Jazz might pick a European with one of their draft picks (Vesely, Motiejunas, Valanciunas, Biyombo), whom they could leave in Europe for at least a year or two. Rhe Jazz may use one of their picks on a point guard (Knight, Walker, Fredette)--or re-sign Price. I don't see the Jazz draft picks playing a big role on the team next year.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 18, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    The Jazz bigs would have to be licking their chops if you have Jimmer and Hayward playing the guard positions. They can both play the point or the shooting guard for stretches of time. With them both running around the 3 point line that is going to open it up more for Favors, Big Al, and Millsap under the basket. I'm all for drafting Jimmer at #12 if he's there. Hayward seems like he will be a pretty good defender and Jimmer will have to work hard on defense but I think he can be a decent defender with a little time.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Sorensen needs to get his facts straight in this article, only 2 of the players he mentioned as centers are really centers and Kanter wants to play PF.
    Jimmer is more athletic than some are wanting to give him credit for and I think he will do fine on the defensive end. He didn't even try to play D last year. I think those who think he will play the 2 are wrong, he can create and pass and should be able to be a quality point guard. I'd love to see the Jazz take him at #12, at #6 I think they need a long, athletic 3, Vesely, TJones are probably the best IMO, at the 2 there really isn't anyone I like, Burk is the top 2 put they say he's not that good of a shooter and his D is suspect, what they say about him reminds me of CJ. Kanter & Jonas are good prospects at center but we're not in bad shape in the front court, even though we could use a tall, defensive minded center. Jonas is the only one tofitthatbill. Leonard would be my sleeper pick.

  • Observation-ist Ogden, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    There isn't a dominant 'big' in the draft this year ... no Dwight or Shaq or Duncan. We already have Favors and Big Al. Please DONT draft another big. We definitely need to stretch the floor. Jimmer certainly can do that. We missed Kyle Korver this year. Jimmer can be BETTER than Kyle and most Jazz fans would be fine with Kyle at the 2.

    I know Jimmer isn't tall enough to fit the prototype SG but his opposing SG will have to exert some effort on defense to keep him from scoring which helps on defense.

    I'd love to see Jimmer here as the # 12 pick. As for the #6, I'm going to wait and see what evolves.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    I'd like to see KOC bring in Walker, Knight and Ferdette and let them duke it out on the court and let's see who plays the best. Last year they brought in several 2/3 type players and Hayward proved to be the best of the bunch.
    IMO the Jazz need in order of priority a long athletic 3, a pt guard that can shoot and create for his teammates, and a long, athletic, defensive minded center. Vesely & TJones I like the best at the 3, not sure which of the 3 pts I like the best, although I like Jimmers ability to stretch the D and create, Jonas is the only center to fit the bill but he is young and light weight, not quite ready to do it in the NBA.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    April 18, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Has anyone ask him if he wanted to play in utah? Even if we put the best players around him which anybody who traded could do. If he's still not intersted, fine. I think it's the way to go though.

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    April 18, 2011 9:09 a.m.

    Who are you people watching ... How can anyone say he doesnt have quickness or athletic ability to play at nba level ... jimmer has serious pop in his legs and a quick release and is very very quick .. maybe not super fast but definatly quick...and can jump off one or two legs, and is very creative, and can shoot from all angles and spots on the floor .. perfict pick and roll player in nba.. steve nash hasnt been able to beat someone off the dribble in 7 years but he kills you in the pick and roll and is a deadly shooter and ball handler just like jimmer ... obveously jimmer cant even touch his smarts yet.. or passing ability (ever) but wow why all the hate... my comparison is Ben Gordon with better passing and way more desire to be good...

  • ThatsSoUtah Washington, UT
    April 18, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    Why would the Jazz need to draft Jimmer for ticket sales? The Jazz consistently have very good ticket sales and probably will for at least the next season. If they can make things fun and have a possible playoff spot, ticket sales will continue to be fine. I don't think Jimmer would hurt that, but I don't think he's necessary to keep ticket sales high as a whole.

  • mulrich Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Fredette's ceiling is about Eddie House (undersized SG who doesn't play D but has a great shot). If you're okay drafting Eddie House with the 12th pick go ahead. I would rather see the Jazz take someone that could regularly start in the league, even if it takes a few years for the player to develop.
    Either way, we should take the best player available for either pick. I can name at least 12 players that I consider better than Fredette so we should draft someone else.

  • Snark Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 9:17 a.m.

    One thing you get with Jimmer that is difficult to duplicate in the NBA: remarkable work-ethic and humility. That means that Jimmer is likely to continue to improve. Don't draft him if you are looking for ticket sales. Draft him if you believe that he will continue to improve and work tirelessly on his game as he has always done. I think that he will turn some heads with how quickly he is starting.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    April 18, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    Jimmer will take a long time to play d, that is not necessarily bad but those of you saying he would make a good 2 he would have to guard Kobe...anybody see that happening?

    The thing not mentioned here is Jimmer shoots 92% free throws and his ability to get to the hoop would make him a likely candidate to make aliving at the free throw line in the NBA.

    Comparisons to Korver are inaccurate in that Kyle could not dribble the basketball nor was he capable of shooting when the pressure was on. Jimmer is adept at both of those and playing with Hayward who can guard well already may be a possibility for the Jazz.

    Jimmer will have a hard time meeting expectations but so did Hayward for most of the season but time helps those who work hard and Jimmer is capable of hard work.

    How may projects do the Jazz want for next season?

    How about trading CJ for Dwayne Wade and we can get past the working on projects/people and just get to winning.

  • klepsydra Longmont, CO
    April 18, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    Jimmer is a good pick at #12, he would essentially replace Price on the roster. A guy who could play PG or SG. It would take him some time before he became successful in the NBA like it did for Hayward.

    I disagree about him going to a team like the Knicks. He needs to go to a team like Chicago (and hopefully Utah will become more like Chicago), a team that will bench players (even stars) for playing lazy uncommitted defense. It wouldn't take long for Jimmer to learn to play committed defense in that situation.

    I also think PG is the correct role for him. He needs to learn a system, if he can learn to run the Jazz system he will learn to make the correct passes. He also needs to learn the pick-n-roll, if he could execute the pick-n-roll he and Favors could be deadly. I think the Hayward-Favors pick-n-roll will also be deadly.

  • Seasider Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 9:59 a.m.

    Jimmer may or may not pan out in the NBA but I think the Jazz have more to lose by not drafting him. The kid was a media and fan sensation, scored an obscene amount of points against some good competition and won all the prestigious player of the year awards. I don't think many experts will criticize the Jazz for spending a 1st round pick of a player with that resume whether his NBA career works out or not.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    April 18, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    Put it this way, if the jimer wasn't lDS and didn't attend BYU would anyone jazz fan even give this guy a second thought? Of course not.

    Take the emotion out and he decesion is very easy.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 18, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    They might be able to trade Bell. He is better than some think but his strengths no longer fit the new Jazz system. He has some value to other systems that need a spot up shooter. KOC will not trade Memo unless he is a disaster going into the trade deadline.

    Jimmer is to undersized to play the SG consistently. His primary value is as a PG and as a specialty shooter. His ability to draw fouls/FT % is also a plus.

    AK is not likely back. The Jazz have to have wings who can shoot. An SG who can consistently shoot while creating his own shot and replacing AK are the top priorities.

    Hayward "may" be the shooter needed at SG? If so then use the 6th pick on an SF. Evans "may" develop into and SF. Millsap can play a little SF.

    If the SG/SF is covered by current players/trades/draft then a PG that takes 2 years to develop is a good move.

    Walker is undersized and has a poor shooting percentage. Knight would be good if available. Jimmer is worth developing and a reasonable risk.

    At 12 Jimmer is a good pick.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    All draft projections have Jimmer gone by the 15th pick or so. If all the experts are high on Jimmer that should make him legitimate rather than just a popular choice. Doesn't matter to me if the jazz draft him or not. I will reserve judgement until he plays.
    I personally think the Jazz have enough young players. They should try and trade one of the picks if they can get good value for it.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    may as well draft Jimmer, can't be anybody else out there who could possibly come in and be an offensive threat as quickly as he would be.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    April 18, 2011 10:21 a.m.

    If the jazz could get lucky enough to find him still there by 12 then they should draft him...Then it would be reasonable to perhaps either keep him or turn right around and bargain for positioning a better possible multiple player trade. I personall wouldn't mind if some how after all the dust settles see Jimmer with Ainge and the C's.
    As if that will ever Happen!!!

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 18, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    Well so far I have read here that we should trade for Dwight Howard (maybe we trade Fes huh), and then CJ for Dwayne Wade. Can you start working on that KOC and let me know when you get it done:) LOL

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:44 a.m.

    Maybe, Just maybe @ 12 if we send him to the D- league for two years so that the fans in Orem can fill out the cheap seats with 9 year olds. That way when the Jazz are down by 7 in the fourth quarter we don't have to hear the boos and then chants of " Jimmer" "Jimmer ".
    See if he can play D- league ball for two years before trade bait time.
    But never, in the blue bloods dreams, as our first choice. He was what 3/15 from beyond the arc and 11/29 overall in his last game ?

  • patjan Flower Mound, TX
    April 18, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    Jimmer deserves a much better team than Jazz. Maybe another time - after the Jazz improve.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    April 18, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Enes Kanter is the "real deal". Brandon Knight is the "future real deal". I would say that the Jazz need to package such as Harris and trade up from their 12 spot.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    April 18, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    Who cares? Jazz still will never win a ring....

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    Jimmer is not the Jazz style of player. Maybe things will change under Coach Corbin, but Jimmer doesn't play defense and I know that is one thing that frustrated Jerry Sloan about players like Carlos Boozer and Kyle Korver.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    April 18, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    Frank Layden helped put the Jazz on the map when they moved from NO to UT. He helped build the Jazz and knows who are keepers, those who will succeed in the NBA. He recently said that Jimmer Fredette "is the real deal". That endorsement alone ought be worth something. With Scottie being an assistant coach, he would probably support daddy's recommendation and give his input to the front office, ie KOC. Look for the Jazz to draft Jimmer at 12 if he is still there at 12. It is a no brainer. It will help ticket sales. The Jazz will be exciting with Jimmer - just like BYU was this year. Do it, Kevin!

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    April 18, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    With Jimmer's current skill set the can bring 5 more wins to the Jazz by playing 6-8 minutes a game. Put him in to close out games. His range makes it very tough to guard him on the perimiter. If he is fouled its automatic points.

  • The Disillusionist Alexandria, VA
    April 18, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    Re: hedgehog: "Take the emotion out and he [sic] decesion [sic] is very easy."

    Take the ability to think critically out and the decision is very easy. You belong in the Jazz front office, seriously.

    BTW- Jimmer Fredette: better than any player that has played for the University of Utar ... ever!

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington DC, MD
    April 18, 2011 11:02 a.m.

    If they draft Jimmer at #6, I will vomit.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington DC, MD
    April 18, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    Can you say Adam Morrison? I knew you could.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 18, 2011 11:21 a.m.

    He could be great but then again everyone thought Araujo was going to be great too. He can certainly shoot from long range, but I'm not sure if he can defend in this league.

  • SouthExposure Cedar City, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    I've got an idea and I'm going to get blasted for this, but why don't the jazz package the higher pick for a pick next year. If you are looking for size, Greg Oden can be had on the cheap. Laugh if you must but he's still better than any center the jazz have had since Mark Eaton. And at least you know what you are going to get. They will never improve via the middle to late picks in the draft. The brass has shown that they are incapable of finding a diamond in the rough. Unless they are drafting in the top 5, they need to improve through trades. Losing AK's contract also helps to provide a little financial flexibility to get someone, but you are still going to have to overpay to get someone to come to Utah.
    As for Jimmer, if he is in a more modern spread offense or even something like the triangle, I think he would be successful. Flex requires him to shoot coming off screens. This is something he never had to do at the Y. Not a good fit for the system.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 18, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    @anti bush-obama

    So did you just go do a little research to find a lottery pick that was a white guy that ended up not being a great NBA player so you can compare him to Jimmer? There are a lot of lottery picks that end up not becoming big stars in the NBA but it is offensive to make your comments on Jimmer because of the color of his skin. Maybe Jimmer makes it, maybe not but is he a good pick at #12. I think so. Stockton was th 16th pick by the Jazz and ended up having a pretty decent career sporting a farmer tan the whole time.

  • Led Zeppelin II Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    No more big man projects please! We dont need another Dufus Festertag on our team. Jazz need a shooting guard. Worry about the big man later. KOC and Scott Layden wasted more draft picks on big dumb guys than anyone ever would. I cannot stand it. Lets get the best talent out there. Be wise!

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 18, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    Adam Morrison is no Jimmer. Jimmer is much better one his worst day than Adam was on his best day.

    There was a guy named Dantley who played for the Jazz who was undersized and slow. He seemed to have no problem scoring and getting to the free throw line.

    This draft is weak. Jimmer will have more upside than any other player in the draft at #12.

    The Jazz will use both their draft picks to save money over the next few years. Rookies are cheap no matter how good they play. Their contracts are set for a few years by the NBA.

    The biggest question is can the Jazz unload Memo for a really good player on a bad team???

  • gcp52 Lehi, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:34 a.m.

    I'm ok with the Jazz picking Jimmer in the draft. He can create his own shot plus create shots for others. The Jazz have no 3-point threat currently on the roster, and Jimmer would add that threat. True Jimmer did not display a lot of defensive ability in the NCAA, but under the BYU system he did not have to. His role at BYU was to score 30-40 points per game, not play lock down defense on someone, that was Jackson Emery's job. If JImmer had the chance to not be the primary scorer every time down the court, he would be able to play tough defense, will he be an amazing defensive player, probably not, but I can see him playing really scrappy and getting after it on Defense, especially if he only plays 10-15 minutes per game starting out

  • Viva Los Jazz Garland, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    If the Jazz don't take Jimmer at 12 he'll likely be taken between 15 to 20 so the best thing to do is trade down and get a future 1st round pick. Jimmer is the best offensive guard in the draft but his defense is average and he doesn't finish near the rim (like D-Will or Derick Rose). He has been overhyped and last year was likely a 2nd round pick but I am a big time fan and think he'll be an immediate impact player like Stephen Curry.
    The advantage to drafting him will be ticket sales and Freddette jersey sales and Jimmer gear. No one wants him more than the Jazz.
    This draft is getting weaker everyday since Harrison Barns just announced he is not going to enter in the draft. (nbcsports.com) I really hope that no other top 10 prospects take their names out. The Jazz need to get Bismack Biyombo from the Congo, who had 12 points, 11 rebounds, 10 blocks at the Nike Hoops Summit in Portland recently. I'm concerned about drafting young players 19 and 20 years old unless we can keep them oversees for several years.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    No one is really sure how Jimmer will turn out..... well except Hedgehog and Chris B. Keep in mind both of them posted over 100 times about Austin Collie. I think they just did a cut and paste from older posts they made. Too slow, not athletic etc. Gotta love throwing in the 'can't play D' stuff. Have you been to a NBA game lately? Not much D played until the playoffs. Fredette will also have 1 person guarding him instead of 2 or 3 like he did all year, and still lead the nation in scoring. (before someone posts about their weak competition and schedule, you might want to check their SOS.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    April 18, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Spare me the comments about how bad the Jazz are at drafting players. Their draft record is no worse than any team in the league, and they have rarely had the opportunities in the past that they have this year.

    Jimmer is a gamble worth taking once we are picking past 10. Everyone is a gamble at that point, and Jimmer might just learn how to play defense. The question is, will he turn into a Reddick (who learned his role) or a Morrison (who never learned to play defense).

  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    @ SouthExposure comment about the Jazz FO

    "The brass has shown that they are incapable of finding a diamond in the rough"

    Are you SERIOUS...

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    April 18, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    Lots of talk about defense, or lack thereof, played by Jimmer. Seems to me even Michael Jordan wasn't much of a player in college and in his first few seasons in the NBA. He admitted as much. Jordan was a highly motivated player, and one that we'll never see again, but Jimmer can learn to play better defense just like any NBA player can.

    Once Jordan focused on being a better defender, he ended up with the Defensive Player of the Year award a few times. Besides, does anyone really play defense in the NBA anyway?

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    Use the draft to help your weak back court. We need a shooting guard that can come in and give solid minutes right away. If Jimmer is there at 12, you get him. Burks looks NBA ready, and he is used to the Rockie Mtn. climate.
    My choice:
    1st pick from NJ we draft Burks. Solid shooting guard, Wes Mathews type. NBA ready.

    1st pick 12th overall I go with Jimmer. This first round just filled some huge holes on the roster. We would have our 3 pt.shooter and our 2Guard for the future and both players would help stretch the floor, something we didnt really have a lot of this past year, poor shooting and poor perimeter defense killed us.

    Next challenge for KOC, what to do with Memo? Do you stick with this group of Bigs and draft big next year? Trade? Buy out? Play him? 10 million dollar question.

    I dont think the Jazz should waste a first round pick this year on a big man that is going to ride pine behind Big Al, Milsap, Favors and possibly Memo or his replacement....

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:18 p.m.

    The Jazz could do worse, much worse.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    I have looked all year for reasons why Jimmer can't make it in the NBA.

    I'm running out of reasons...

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    April 18, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    I love the idea stated by some of trading both picks and some players for some proven talent at the 2 or 3. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot to choose from that doesn't come with baggage. Stephen Jackson and Rip Hamilton are both head cases. Wade, Kobe, and Ray Allen aren't going anywhere. Andre Iguodala would be the best man for the job. I would trade both picks, plus CJ, Memo, Fes and more for Iggy.

  • Murray Dad Murray, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    No.

  • Jaggie Logan, Utah
    April 18, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    No, too many tweeners already.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    April 18, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    I really don't get all the comments on how bad the Jazz brass are at drafting. It really does not make any sense. You look at Wes Mathews, Ronnie Brewer, Mo Williams and a few others who ended up being contributors and signing with other teams offering more money. If anything, they are a little too good at seeing talent and developing it, as that talent always leaves.

    It is an endless battle to keep talent here.

    I think it would be an interesting prospect if the Jazz got an opportunity at taking The Jimmer at #12. If he thinks the pressure was on in the tourney this year though...the local fans will be all over him from minute one to produce.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Gee, is anyone surprised to see BYU-haters chiming in on a Jazz article? Your biases are so pathetic. Gosh, if this was a Ute player you would find very little objection, thus the difference. Pathetic when you think about it.

    Jimmer at a #12 is a very viable option. No risk on a guy that has national appeal and can we agree that that the cart full of trophies and recognition really mean something... like true basketball talent and potential.

    Jimmer bashing is poor form. Wish the guy some success and get over your petty selves.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    When the Jazz traded D-Will, their ONLY superstar, I realized that one of the reasons I liked watching the Jazz was because they DID have a superstar.

    Now that the Jazz don't have one, seats are going to start emptying. Didn't any of you notice how many empty seats there were lately? It was not just because they weren't making the playoffs, but also because there wasn't any superstar to come and watch. Hope was lost!

    A team needs at least ONE superstar to keep up ticket sales. Just being an also-ran NBA team that makes the playoffs each year, but not much else due to the lack of a superstar, isn't going to keep seats filled over time. I don't recall any NBA team winning the title without at least one superstar.

    Enter The Jimmer. Duh! Only a fool wouldn't take Jimmer in their TOP pick. The teams that skip him will live to regret it when they have to defend him.

    Jimmer's range, which has NEVER been matched so far in the NBA, will be a problem most NBA teams will have difficulty defending.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 1:51 p.m.

    The BYU-haters and the "I really haven't watched him, but have read about him" posters on this article are sad Jazz fans, to say the least.

    Jimmer has been pooh-poohed all his life at every level, yet keeps coming out on top. Why? Because he has the IT factor (basketball IQ and killer instinct), AND he works his butt off!

    Any coach or GM will tell you that the most important asset for a player is how hard they work at getting better. NO ONE in the NBA will out-work The Jimmer at getting better.

    BTW, Jimmer finished his BYU career ranked 3rd or 4th in all-time BYU steals. That doesn't sound like a guy who can't play defense. By design, he hung back on defense so that opposing teams couldn't get him off the floor via foul trouble. DUH!

    Jimmer WON'T get double/triple-teamed in the NBA like he constantly was in college. His cross-over is better than D-Will's.

    The reason he swept the college POY awards is because he could CONSISTENTLY prove his range AND layup ability. Voters recognized that.

  • 3grandslams N. Liberty, IA
    April 18, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Any team should really draft Jimmer!

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:54 p.m.

    Does anyone know if the Jazz could unilaterally lift the restrictions on their draft pick, which they traded to Minnesota, so that Minnesota would be required to use the Jazz draft pick this year? Then the Jazz could have their own draft pick next year, instead, plus the GS draft pick, in a much stronger draft.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    One more comment on Point Guards. If you really follow the NBA, you would notice a transition from the traditional '1' and '2' positions. Before there was a Very distinct difference between a point guard and a shooting guard. The Point guards in the 80s and 90s were there to pass first, now many are top scorers as teams have just guards that can pass, shoot and score. More like Isiah and AI were. Rose, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Billups and Paul all averaged more points this year than Stockton's best year. Felton, Stuckey, Harris, Nash, Augustin, Holiday, Udrih, Lou Williams, Conley, Lowry, Sessions, Collison and Nelson all scored more this year than Stockton's PPG career average. In 2000, Avery Johnson was the 4th leading PG scorer with 12 PPG. That would have put him #21 (9th last among starters) .2 PPG ahead of Ridnour.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 18, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    This draft is so poor that it is a draft about taking calculated chances. The problem with Jimmer is he is one-of-a-kind. You can not name a player in the NBA or college who plays the way he plays the game. Magic Johnson was a one-of-a-kind player. Bird was another. You can't compare them to other players.

    Now I am not saying that Jimmer will have the careers that Magic and Bird had. Most likely not. But when you have a player who can score from anywhere across mid-court, you draft him. The NBA forces teams to either play a guy straight up or double team him and let someone else beat you. Jimmer is not going to get double-teamed in the NBA and I like his chances one-on-one against anyone in the league.

    Draft Jimmer if available at the 12. Depending on who is available at the 6, maybe even there. The pick is pretty much useless this year due to lack of talent.

  • SJ Bobkins Gilbert, AZ
    April 18, 2011 2:31 p.m.

    No NO No No NO, Nada
    Jimmer deserves better, the Jazz are a mess making bad trades and bad decisions for the money, (sending a backup PG to Memphis for nothing but a tiny $2 mil saving, getting $3 mil in the DW trade to the Nets). The talk of selling and moving the team to Seattle, Louisville, Chicago is still out there. The Jazz perfer 6'10" to 7; stiffs with hard to pronounce names. With "born with a platinum spoon in his mouth" Greggie Miller and a clueless KOC, there is little chance the team can come back. Let Jimmer fall to the bottom of the draft and play for quality franchises like the Spurs, Suns, Denver, Boston, Orlando, just not the Jazz. Take a look at the list of #1 draft the past 10 years, how many are still around?

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    fastcheck:

    I like your research, but not your conclusion. Just because most NBA PGs are now Iverson-mimicking PGs, doesn't mean that's the way to go. If you don't have great scoring from the 2 or the front line, then the PG MUST score a lot to keep the ship afloat. But it'll sink in time.

    If Stockton were playing today on a team with a great 2 and decent front line, an NBA title would be a slam-dunk. You always need a captain on a ship, and that means leading the team, not just in scoring.

    A Jimmer, Hayward, Jefferson, Favors, and Kirilenko starting combo would be impossible to stop. Then with a backup combo of Harris(Watson), Millsap, Memo, Miles, and Evans, what's not to like?

    Kirilenko might get replaced in the draft, but I doubt it. I didn't see that much in this year's draft other than Jimmer. Jazz should keep AK.

    PGs that can really run a team are rare. Jimmer's that kind of PG. It didn't show much in college because the team he was on couldn't shoot, so he did.

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    April 18, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    jimmer is going in the top 10 picks why do all of you assume he can be had at the number 12 pick, sorry not a for sure he will even be there..Did anyone on here who are saying jimmer cant play at nba level watch jimmer scrimmage against team usa world team last summer ? arent all of you being prejuduce bc he is a white player, i think if he was black you same ppl would all want to draft him ..Its unreal .. this guy can flat out play .. and this is a weeaaak draft so i think jimmer is a great pick for us.. just like i thought gordon hayward was a great pick for us ...

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2011 2:53 p.m.

    Perhaps the Jazz could trade their 12th pick and Okur to the Hornets for Stephen Jackson. Charlotte seems to be trading away all of their good players for salary purposes. Jackson has two years left on his contract ($8.5 mil. next year), while Okur only has one year left at $10.9 mil. Charlotte would probably take the draft pick to get another cheap rookie player.

    Even though Jackson is getting old, he is still a better wing player than anyone on the Jazz. He has good size, can shoot the 3, and is a good defensive player and rebounder. If the Jazz are unable to re-sign Kirilenko, Jackson could really help the Jazz until the Jazz's younger wings gain more experience. If the Jazz are able to re-sign Kirilenko, Jackson gives the Jazz good veteran depth at the wing. Jackson also seems to have matured, so that he is no longer the "bad character" he once was. The Jazz could get a needed player while dumping a bad draft pick.

    The Jazz were able to survive without Okur this past year and could replace him with a free agent, or bring Tomic over from Europe.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    I think Jimmer outside of the Top 10 would be a steal. The Jazz had a couple of them with Stockton and Malone (though I don't want to put that pressure on Jimmer) and I think whoever drafts Jimmer will get a solid NBA player for years.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    April 18, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    As a Jazz and BYU fan it kills me to say I hope Jimmer goes eleswhere. If he comes to Utah there are simply to many expectations up front. If he played with some superstars and ran the point for them I think things would be better for Jimmer. I'd love to see him in a Lakers uniform (ouch) because I'd love to see him succeed. He would easily be better than Fisher. Orlando, NY, Miami(desperate need of a PG) would all be better fits for him to succeed. I don't like any of those teams but believe Jimmer will have a career similiar to Ainge or Hornacek. Never the star on the team but a significant reason the team was good and played or won championships. He could really develop into a Rajon type player if the spotlight were on the other stars of the team. In 2-3 years he could be an all star PG similiar to Rajon's rise to fame.

  • Ronnie W. Layton, UT
    April 18, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    NO!

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 3:45 p.m.

    hedgehog posted the following when Jazz when they drafted Gordon Hayward. Help me out hedgehog, Is it a BYU or a white player thing?

    hedgehog | 7:09 p.m. June 24, 2010
    looks like a BYU recruite.

    Not good.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    I can't believe there are so many people that can't evaluate what the Jazz need!!! Every team always wants to get more athletic and longer when they draft or trade. The Jazz are no different and with that said the Jazz are solid at the 4 & the 2. Hayward and CJ give the Jazz an advantage when they play the 2 but are undersized and over matched at the 3. Hayward is going to be solid and even possibly an all star if he plays the 2, CJ can be a good 6th man and back up to Hayward & who ever starts at the 3. Again the point is to get longer and athletic. We need a long athletic 3 that can shoot. Vesely or TJones fill that bill, We need a future point guard, Knight, Jimmer or maybe Walker, all of them can score, Jimmer has the best range, and I think he would be a good risk. A center that can play D and rebound/block shots is a need and the only player that fills that bill is Jonas. He is 18 and thin, but has a goodwork ethic but he's a project.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    April 18, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    Not all of Frank Layden's picks and trades were great but here are some of the highlights:

    Karl Malone with the 13th pick. I guess that was a no-brainer but at least he wasn't stupid like all the GM's before him.

    John Stockton with the 18th pick. He had done his homework there though the Jazz fans at the draft booed loudly.

    Mark Eaton in the 4th round. This round doesn't even exist now. The Indiana Pacers drafted Anne Meyers in the second round, probably a publicity stunt but the Jazz got one of the best shot blockers and defensive players in league history. Some of his second round and lower picks like Eaton were very inspired.

    So if Frank Layden said pick him, he's legit I would tend to listen. The only decision I really regret Layden made was trading AD for Tripucka. I would have liked to see AD play along side Malone and Stockton for a couple of years to see if the trio would have gelled. But so it goes. But Layden knows talent.

  • Draft dumbie Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2011 4:04 p.m.

    If the Jazz could package one of their draft picks and Okur to Charlotte for Stephen Jackson, then they could use their other draft pick for a point guard, such as Knight, Walker or Fredette. If the Jazz re-sign Watson, then they could give their rookie point guard time to develop.

    The Jazz should be able to sign a backup center to replace Okur. There are some decent backup free agent centers, who may be in the Jazz price range (mid-level exception or less). In order of preference: Dalembert (probably too expensive), Przbilla (might be a good fit at an affordable price), Dampier (may elect to stay in Miami), Ilguaskas (may elect to stay in Miami), Gray (big and skilled, but slow), Elson (available, and we know him), Curry (way out of shape, but should be cheap, and has talent if you can get him to work), Oden (probably too expensive and too risky), Ming (probably too risky, but what if he got better?). I don't think any teams with good, young centers are going to let them go in restricted free agency. Other veteran centers will cost too much. The Jazz also have Tomic.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 18, 2011 4:12 p.m.

    Eagle......Dantley was sent packing because he was a bad influence on Malone. AD caused that trade, not Layden by saying things to Malone in the locker room.

    What if Jimmer during team workouts, looks unstoppable and goes #1? Due to the lockout that will happen, there will not be a season next year to worry about..........

  • 1A BB Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 4:46 p.m.

    If the Jazz take Jimmer, I am officially done with the Jazz. And what's all this about Jimmer "working his butt off?" He certainly doesn't do this on the defensive end of the floor.

  • Laker-bandwagon Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    I got room on my wagon 1A BB Fan, Im sure you wont be missed.

    I'll be back later to get the rest of the jumpers, there's always room.

  • aggieblue Saint George, UT
    April 18, 2011 5:16 p.m.

    Took hedgie a while to post, slow, white, mid major, lds, no defense, et al.
    I am surprised there was not mention of the honor code.

    By the way, sorry dnews but I took the time to read an article on Dave Rice in the LV Journal. All those comments on how Rice would kick back and have a cool one once he got out from the restrictions the Y put on his life style. What I found interesting for all of you, his parents served a mission for their church, in Africa. I am not sure but it appears Dave Rice is a very humble, honorable man, with grear morality, and integrity and raised by some very good people. I would think many at the y would say he brought respect and credit to the way through his lifestyle.

    I know that he will do well and hope him and his family the best.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    April 18, 2011 5:17 p.m.

    Yes if the Jazz are trying to build a team to contend for the division title. Jimmer plays defense worthy of the WNBA... so yes draft him, he'll fit in with the rest of the Jazz.

    On the other hand if we want to build a contender then the answer is no.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    April 18, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    @CJ Miles
    What if Jimmer during team workouts, looks unstoppable and goes #1?

    ------------

    What if CJ Miles plays two straight good games? Both are wishful thinking.

    What Utah needs is a true center at #12 to clog the middle.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 5:39 p.m.

    1A BB Fan,

    Do your rose-colored glasses make it hard for you to read?

    A lack of Jimmer's defense in college was by design, not a lack of ability. The team wasn't offensively strong enough to compete without Jimmer's scoring, so he wasn't required to defend in order to be on the floor.

    Get it? I pretty much said that in one of my previous posts, where I also mentioned working his butt off.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 18, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    Take all of the Jazz draft-picks over time, and I can see Malone and Stockton...

    Malone was cheered, and Stockton was boo'ed.

    The rest, you need to go to google to see where they are playing, or selling cars...

    I would rather see the Jazz pick a DeShawn Stevenson with the 23rd pick, and waste it, like so many others, than put a proven player on the court. (proven college, not NBA)... (Isn't it funny with all the anti-BYU Utes there must be a disclaimer on everything?)

    ===

    How could Jimmer be a lousy pick for any team?

    ===
    1980...
    Joe Barry Carroll from Purdue University was selected first overall by the Golden State Warriors. Darrell Griffith from the University of Louisville was selected second by the Utah Jazz.

    Kevin McHale from the University of Minnesota was selected third by the Boston Celtics.

    Eight players drafted went on to have a coaching career in the NBA.
    ====

    Sure the Jazz should pick Jimmer, and so should any other team hoping to sell a ticket, or wanting to win games.

    You always hit on 12 in Blackjack... Why not the draft?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:30 p.m.

    Uteology | 5:30 p.m. April 18, 2011
    Fort Worth, Texas
    @CJ Miles
    What if Jimmer during team workouts, looks unstoppable and goes #1?

    "What if CJ Miles plays two straight good games? Both are wishful thinking.

    What Utah needs is a true center at #12 to clog the middle."
    ===
    What if Uteology were to ever answer a straightforward question???

    OK, who is surprised the Uteology is pulling this hidden stratology, after all, he is Uteology???

    ===

    Uteology, save it for the anti-cougs.

    The questions is whether or not Jimmer can help the Jazz.

    Question to you, as a man, or Woman, depending on who you are...

    Can he?

    Looking forward to your response.....
    ===

    BTW, Uteology is the psychology of Utah fans that no matter what happens, Utah is better... If BYU has a POY, Uteology suggests that a National Player of the Year is not as good as Rick Majerus. Rick is not as good as Gio, and Gio is not as good as Boylen, who is now not as good as K2...
    ===

    Uteology, can Jimmer help the Jazz?

    How about a YES or NO???

    I would love a one word comment from you...

    One word... babe...

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 6:31 p.m.

    Jimmered! This board's been Jimmered!

    He's still relevant, after all these days (since his last game or trophy).

    It's fun to see all the hate for him. That'll make it so much more fun if the Jazz draft him, because it'll get so many Jazz fans' goats.

    That's kind of how The Jimmer operates, anyway. Getting peoples' goats through his play. It's Jimmer's modus operandi to bug his opponents through his play. That alone will get him success in the NBA.

    Ask any of Jimmer's opponents how they felt about playing against him and losing to him.

  • nvfan Henderson, NV
    April 18, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    If the Jazz do pass up on this opportunity (especially with both picks) and Jimmer does become another Jeff Hornacek or Cris Mullen, Utah fans will be hard pressed to forget and forgive. Can you say goodby to those responsible....

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 18, 2011 6:36 p.m.

    trade for next year's lottery pick....better prospects next year than this year...trade the 12th pick and bell and CJ for a pick next year...draft Jan Vesely at the 6th...let him play SF...having a 6'10-6'11 SF that can shoot would be great...think about a lineup of Al Jeff Favors Vesely...all around 6'10...and you have hayward a 6'8-6'9 SG...and Harris...pretty tall line up...and could create different mismatches on the offense...

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    Is Jan Vesely a future superstar, or just a pretty good SF?

    The Jazz need a superstar. They currently don't have one. You can't win a championship without one.

    Jimmer was college's superstar, and could be one in the NBA.

    It's going to be fun to see IF... (I don't doubt, but most of you seem to.)

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    April 18, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    Anti Bush-Obama says that if the Jazz draft Jimmer, he'll vomit. If I hear one more time how Jimmer can't play defense, I think I'll vomit. Jimmer is a superb athlete who played the game he was supposed to play. Do you really believe that an athlete with his determination to be the best won't be able to play good defense at the next level? He also won't have to carry a whole team (unless, of course, he's drafted by the Jazz). I hope Jimmer isn't drafted by the Jazz. It would be nice to see him go to a winner.

  • spud Payson, UT
    April 18, 2011 6:52 p.m.

    my gosh folks you all been lost somewere for 4 months? jimmer was all byu had. point # 1 jimmer was not allowed to play defense. trust me the boy knows how to play defense.
    point # 2 the jazz have not had a decent make a three point shot since jeff hornacek. and face it if john stocton wasnt a threat, jeffs number wouldnt be in the rafters. now you say all you want. this kid can fill a stadium. and hes got something 98% of all this senior class aint got. something john stockton has still. HEART. heart wins games. heart added to a good team wins championships. i like a movie facing the giants. prepare for rain. the farmer that didnt never had a crop. i pray the jazz prepare for rain
    point # 3 had jimmer even been close to an offensive player he woulda fouled out.he was in foul trouble because of his offense.
    folks the jazz need to take this kid. thats all and thankyou

  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    People we will be lucky if Jimmer is there at 12. I don't care what Utah fans think because they don't think as a basketball mind they think with hate period.

    Case in point..."What Utah needs is a true center at #12 to clog the middle".

    Uteology quote of the day. Like there is going to be a impact big man left on the board at 12 that will make a diffrence in this draft. Nice comment and thoughts.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:24 p.m.

    @1A BB Fan: What would you do to be "officially done with the Jazz"? Ppl who say things like this are fair weather fans sho probably have never paid for a single ticket to watch the Jazz. What you say in your post is worthless. Either be a fan or not, but don't sit on the fence.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    Derek Fisher, and any other average NBA guard would have Jimmer tied into a pretzel in about 2 minutes...Jimmer is not NBA material.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 18, 2011 7:30 p.m.

    Uteology.........Could you tell me who this great center is the Jazz are going to draft at #12?

    The Jazz don't need a center. They need guys that can make outside shots or play the point. There is not a better center than Fes in this year's draft.

    And by the way, CJ had career averages this year in all catagories. Mr. Ute, tell me again, who for 3.5 million a year in the NBA is better than CJ at scoring?

  • UncleRico Palmyra, VA
    April 18, 2011 7:31 p.m.

    Jimmer has Adam Morrison written all over him. Don't draft him at 6 or at 12.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    April 18, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    What is all this talk about next year's draft having better prospects? Have these fans been scouting high schools?

    Those who keep ripping Utah's drafting should turn around and look at your attitudes last year. Booing Gordon Hayward was a mistake and you know it.

    Now you are back with your usual negativity saying that the only good players we ever drafted were Stockton and Malone. Did you forget Darell Griffith, Dominique Wilkins, Mark Eaton, Thurl Bailey, Dell Curry, Bryon Russell, Greg Ostertag, Andrei Kirelenko, DeShawn Stevenson, Mo Williams, Deron Williams, C.J. Miles, Paul Milsap, Ronnie Brewer, Eric Maynor, and now a promising Gordon Hayward. You can argue your opinions on some of these guys, but you can't deny that each of them (with the exception of the young ones who need time) has had a very successful NBA career.

    Be a true fan or go root for the Lakers.

  • numer35 Orem, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:36 p.m.

    NO!!!!

    He is slow plays no D and we donĀ“t need a 6 foot nothin slow shooter. Will do nothing in the NBA. Jazz yes get a tall fast strong person. everything that Jimmer Lacks.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    WhstsinitForMe: What about Detroit a few years back. They won it all without a superstar and did it on defense. Of course, you would have to have that if you lacked a superstar.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 18, 2011 7:46 p.m.

    UncleRico.........That's like comparing a Ford Escort to a Infiniti G37. You must have not ever watched Morrison and Jimmer play. Morrison could shoot the ball in college but was very one dimensional. He could not create his own shot. Jimmer scores from every angle on the court. Morrison was so slow that instant reply was always in real time. Jimmer is quick on his feet and can take anyone off the dribble. Jimmer understands the fundamentals of defense and will do just fine down the road................

  • SMS Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 7:51 p.m.

    You don't waste a lottery pick on a player who won't be a future starter in the league and a player who's ceiling can basically be seen from where he is now.

    Jimmer is a nice late first round pick to help a solid team, but he's not a lottery pick. I'd like to see the Jazz take a chance on a young college player or young European because at least that player has the chance to become an All-Star with proper development. Jimmer just isn't in that same category.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 18, 2011 7:55 p.m.

    Here is a list of players picked at the #12 spot since 1980:

    Jason Thompson
    Thaddeus Young
    Hilton Armstrong
    Yaroslav Korolev
    Robert Swift
    Nick Collison
    Melvin Ely
    Vladimir Radmanovic
    Etan Thomas
    Aleksandar Radojevic
    Michael Doleac
    Austin Croshere
    Vitaly Potapenko
    Cherokee Parks
    Khalid Reeves
    George Lynch
    Harold Miner
    Greg Anthony
    Alec Kessler
    Mookie Blaylock
    Harvey Grant
    Tyrone Bogues
    John Williams
    Kenny Green
    Tim McCormick
    Darrell Walker
    John Bagley
    Kelly Tripucka
    Mike Woodson

    There are some good players in there but not alot of all stars. So we can't expect greatness with the #12 pick, whoever it is. I still say if Jimmer is there you can't go too far wrong taking him.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 18, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    BTW, the list of players picked #12 in the draft was through 2008 I think. So it didn't include the players in the last 2 drafts. Sorry.

  • Andy Tomasso Layton, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    Everyone that says don't draft him at 12 start naming who should be picked at twelve. None of you know, its a weak draft this year, there aren't any big true centers in this draft.

  • HDFresh Salem, OR
    April 18, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    DRAFT THE JIMMER!!! THE KID IS MONEY IN THE BANK AND A WINNER!!! He has got the drive and talent to dominate his position just like his transition from high school to college when everybody in D-1 was saying the same negativity. You don't need to hear the rest of the story. Players that do what he has done in his career from the starting points they begin from rise to the top. See Jordan, Stockton, etc.

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    It's almost funny how the conventional wisdom ignores reality, such as these facts:

    1) Jimmer is fun to watch, has better name recognition than any other player in the draft, and will draw crowds if he is given a chance to play. For that reason alone, he will go much higher in the draft than most people expect.

    2) Jimmer has an NBA All-Star mindset - he works hard, he plays best under pressure, he knows how to deal with hostile environments, and he has court, team, and game savvy. Smart GMs, such as Ainge, O'Connor, etc. recognize the importance of mindset and draft accordingly.

    3) You can't easily teach or coach into a player such things as character, determination, intelligence, self-control, and a will to win. Jimmer has them all.

    4) The Jazz may need "another big," but they DO NOT need another 6'11" project. Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? If so, the Jazz are insane when it comes to drafting big men projects. TRADE for a proven big man.

    Conclusion: Draft Jimmer; trade for a big.

  • CocoNutzz Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:24 p.m.

    @ redcliffs

    Great Job, there's your list people...Should we just trade our 12th pick for any of those guys (that's still playing ) or draft Jimmer with it.....

    This years draft is not going to produce the SUPERSTAR some of you are asking for. If you dont have the top 2 picks your going to have take your pick of ROLE PLAYERS after Irving, and Williams.

    Get that list IMPLANTED in your heads because that is what a 12th pick will get you.

    I would rather take a chance on the best 3 pointer shooter in this draft (Jimmer and Williams)

  • spud Payson, UT
    April 18, 2011 8:56 p.m.

    wow ainge has been silent jimmer in boston wow loved the celtics then

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    April 18, 2011 9:21 p.m.

    The Jazz should draft Jimmer at #12, he has the range to shoot from well behind the nba three and is as good as anyone driving to the basket and drawing a foul. He is also a very good passer, he lead the Cougars in assists and made some excellent passes when drawing defenders to him. His defense is average and needs work but knowing Jimmer, he will work harder then anyone to improve his game.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 18, 2011 11:27 p.m.

    With deference to the Detroit anomaly, I'm still beating the superstar drum.

    The Jazz need at least one. No one currently on the team is a superstar or can become one. Outside of Jimmer, I don't see any possible future superstars being drafted in 2011.

    Even without playing a single NBA game, Jimmer will bring the superstar feel to whichever team drafts him. It'll be up to how the team uses him whether he fills that bill. He'll certainly be doing his part.

    What makes a superstar? You can't stop'em!

    No one in Jimmer's four college years stopped him.

    The BYU team lost games, but no one (except mono) ever stopped Jimmer.

  • Bigmommas-house Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2011 11:45 p.m.

    Jimmer is a superstar in college, but dont presume that he will be one in the pros when he hasn't played a second in the NBA. Unless you, and Ms. Chloe can see into the future.

  • mr. j Cottonwood Hts., Ut
    April 19, 2011 12:04 a.m.

    We're DEEP all the sudden when it comes to big guys. we need back-court help. take the jimmer.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    April 19, 2011 12:06 a.m.

    AK said it right. He would welcome Jimmer to the team and resounded with his usual big smile, "Ticket sales would soar. We would fill the house every game."

    Well, the scorboard would reflect his presence also I predict. I have seen enough of him to know he does create his shots with great skill. We really do need outside shooters who are consistent. Right now we have none. Welcome Jimmer.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 19, 2011 2:09 a.m.

    The Jazz need wings and PGs who can shoot. I am okay with Jimmer. His D will be no worse than what the Jazz already have at the wing or PG. At least he can shoot.

    OPen up the inside and watch AJ get efficient and Millsap improve dramatically. Millsap's size is less important if the inside is not packed. Jimmer can part the paint pack. That alone is reason enough to draft him. Someone has to guard him constantly out beyond the 3 point line. They can pack the paint and guard Jimmer.

    That is exactly what the Jazz need. Unpack the paint.

    If he busts the Jazz are out little as they are not getting a super star at 12 in a weak draft.

    Burkes does not play D either. I do not hear anyone ripping him. He probably is CJ 2 but most people are cool with drafting Burkes.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    @redcliffs

    It's true that the 12th pick has been a little rough around the edges in the past but plenty of good players including serious all stars have been drafted after the 12th pick and I bet there will be players taken in this draft after the 12th pick that will become all stars.

    I do believe Jimmer has the "It Factor" and even though not as fast as some other PG's, he knows how to break down a defense and create and thats something that I'm sure will translate to the next level. In fact, I would dare to say that players who can break down a defense and create his own shot at the college level will do it even better at the NBA level. I rarely see players break down college defenses off the dribble but Jimmer did it consistently. I would not be mad if they took him with the 6th pick cause I still think there is always good talent that somehow goes unnoticed later.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    @whatsinitforme

    I believe this Jazz team actually has several players who could be so called super stars if they shot the ball enough. Millsap is the first to come to mind. he just does not take super star quantity of shots.

    I believe Favors could be a star. He has all the athletic talent to do it. We will have to wait a couple years to see if he has that drive to improve his game.

    Jefferson could be that guy. When he decided to put the Jazz on his shoulders in February and March, he was one of the highest scorers in the league and shot a great FG% blocked shots etc... He could be an all star center in this league.

    Hayward could be that guy. When he got minutes and the team needed him, he came through big. He has an incredibly high basketball IQ and does not take bad shots. What he did to Kobe made me think he can be a super star. The way he finished against Denver confirmed it.

    To be continued.....

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 19, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    the celtics are taking jimmer. count on it, either in draft or via trade.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    Harris could be that guy. He's already made an all star team once. He's been a little injury prone and frustrated on a bad team with a coach he didn't get along with in NJ.
    Harris has all the tools to be great including a great attitude. I like him better than Derron already and when he gets this offense down, I think those assists will go up quite a bit.

    I'm going to take a beat down for this but CJ could be that man. CJ has Kobe Bryant level talent. If he would get his head on straight and work like an all star he could be one. When he gets hot he can score with anyone. The problem is he doesn't come ready to play every night and he gets down on himself quickly when he misses a few shots. He also needs to play more consistent defense.

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    April 19, 2011 9:37 a.m.

    jimmer is the next Ben Gordon and thats a good 12th pick if we could get him there (doubtful)

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    The Jazz will have the opportunity to add a couple more potential all star type players in this draft. The draft may not be deep but smart teams who do their homework usually find diamonds in the ruff. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see the Jazz take Jimmer with their first pick and look to getting someone like Jordan Hamilton with their second pick.

    @whatsinitforme

    The way this Jazz team is currently constructed with several super talented players with all star type skills probably wont have a so called super star because the talent level and ball is so well distributed. That's the great thing about the way the Jazz are constructed, they are very difficult to stop because they have several players who can hurt you. One of the problems I saw right after the Jazz traded Williams was their lack of ability to create their own shot. I think some of these issues have been solved by sitting Bell on the bench where he belongs and starting CJ or Hayward but I think Jimmer would also add to that as well. I am very excited for the future of this team Go Jazz.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    @jcrotty25

    Why are you so infatuated with the comparison of Jimmer to Ben Gordon?

    Jimmer has a better basketball IQ but is not as quick or fast as Ben Gordon.

    The only comparison I can think of is that they are both good outside shooters. I don't see Jimmer caring a gun into the locker room either. I sure hope Jimmer does not turn out like Ben Gordon. Jimmer will play the PG and Ben Gordon plays the SG so I don't think you will be able to use the "they are both undersized at their positions" statement.

    I think Jimmer will have a great opportunity to be a star in this league but I would not compare him to Ben Gordon.

    I honestly think he is a one of a kind type player. I am not sure I have ever seen a player quite like him. That's why I think he just might end up as a super star in this league.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 19, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    @JazzFanMontana

    Good thoughts, but I think a superstar is someone who has the following qualities:

    > Can't be stopped. So far, only Hayward shows that possibility. Jimmer has proven he can't be stopped. All other current Jazz players either stop themselves (inconsistent--some times just don't show up in a game), are stopped by the right defender, or are stopped by the right defense. Sure, a superstar can have an off night, but those are very rare.

    > Has the IT factor. Jimmer has it. Hayward, not so sure. Haven't seen "it" (consistently) in any other current Jazz player. Favors, maybe.

    > Works his butt off to get better, no matter his talent level. Jimmer's been that all his life. CJ definitely doesn't work is butt off to get better. Both great players and superstars do work their butts off, so this alone doesn't signal a superstar. It's just one of the three qualities.

    Otherwise, the player is just a great player--the kind you'd want playing with a superstar so that teams can't plan defenses to slow the superstar down.

    With Jimmer, Hayward, and Favors, the Jazz future is secure.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 19, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    This draft is getting very weak and Jimmer is moving up the board. If Jimmer does well in the combine and the work outs the Jazz may have to use the 6th pick to get him if they want him. I like Jimmer. However, if the Jazz drafted Knight I would not feel bad.

    I am not sold on Harris as his shooting percentage is low and has been for 8 years. He needs to raise his assists and his shooting percentage or he is not going to be effective in running the Jazz. At 8 mill a year you need more from the PG spot.

    The PG position is the most important one in the Jazz system. Favors is the PF of the future. They need the PG of the future to go with him.

    AJ is good enough at C. Hayward/CJ may be good enough at SG (I would like better)? AK is going to play in Russia. Evans may develop. The SF position needs help depending on AK and Evans.

    Knight or Jimmer at PG could be good. The SF has a few candidates in the draft.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 19, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    Why I think the Jazz should get Jimmer.

    If the Jazz play Jimmer at SG, Kobe will have to guard him. Jimmer's shot is so quick that his extreme range will drag Kobe out past the 3 point line. Kobe can't sag back into the passing lanes. He can't pack the paint the way he did with Brewer and every other Jazz SG. It does not matter that Kobe is 3 inches taller. Kobe has to stay out with Jimmer.

    Just by being on the court Jimmer alters the offense. Further, Jimmer would guard Fisher. Hayward/CJ/AK would be on Kobe.

    That same logic applies to most teams other than the Lakers.

    I still think Jimmer is an NBA PG and will be a good one in a couple of years but he can play the SG effectively for the Jazz simply as a paint unpacker. He does not have to shoot a lot he just has to drag the other SG out of the passing lanes.

    The Jazz CAN'T WIN if the paint is packed. They have refused to learn that one lesson. That is the primary reason Sloan has no ring.

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    April 19, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    Jimmer went to Utah to play basketball. He had other opportunities. He tested the waters last year and went back to school (good choice).

    I would draft him first chance I got. I believe he can play and that he will stay in Utah.

    A big consideration in the Jazz drafting a player, is will he stay if he becomes a marketable asset. Sucess in the NBA is centered around ability, willingness to work, willingness to live a healthy lifestyle and being given a chance to play by the coaches. I believe Jimmer fits all catagories.

  • T-Roy Summerville, SC
    April 19, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    If the Jazz can get a good sf at the 6th and Jimmer is there at 12 great. But why does everyone think the jazz will be 6th and 12th They still have a chance to move up in the draft depending on how the ping pong balls fall. They could have the number one pick and with that pick goes irving. If they get the 2nd pick in the draft williams from AZ 3rd pick I would take Kanter from UK

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 19, 2011 11:38 a.m.

    This topic has been very popular according to the number of posts and so alot of Jazz fans have an opinion about Jimmer. I'm not going to go back and count, but I suspect that more people are in favor of drafting Jimmer than are opposed based on reading the posts. I think KOC has done a great job for the Jazz, but I don't think he ever goes with the crowd favorite. I end up liking his picks, but they are not usually what the crowd wants (prime example was last year when the Hayward pick was booed). So based on past results I'm sad to say that I don't think the Jazz will take Jimmer. Hope I'm wrong!!

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    @redcliffs

    True, but I also think the Jazz have alway's tried to draft the best player available and when drafting in the lottery, you have to take the best player available even if he doesn't fit the positional needs perfectly.

    It's also been very rare for the Jazz and their fans to experience a lottery pick, let alone 2 in one season. Last year the Jazz and us fans felt we desperately needed a big man. I am even certain the Jazz would have drafted big if the man they wanted was available. Looking back, there was not a big power forward or center better than Hayward and the Jazz recognized that.

    I may get booed for saying this but Jimmer just might be the best player available period, and If the Jazz believe that, they will take Jimmer with their first pick. They wont risk loosing him at 12 if thats where their second pick is.

    @T-Roy

    We are assuming the worst when we are saying 6th and 12th picks. Everyone knows we could get lucky but you have to plan for the worst and pray for the best.

  • T-Roy Summerville, SC
    April 19, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Plan for the Worst Take JImmer 6th and Leonard or the kid from Texas with the 12th Pick.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    @T-Roy

    I totally agree with you with the worst case. The kid from Texas you are referring to is Hamilton who I mentioned in a previous post.

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    April 19, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    jazzfanmontana If you dont even know that its not Ben Gordon that carried a gun into that locker room .. then how do you know that he is quicker then jimmer ... That was Gilbert Arenas... and ben Gordon and jimmer play the same way ... I said that jimmer is a better passer ... but they bother are 6'2 scorers who are tweeners ... and ive watched both of them extensivly and that is the best comparison to jimmer (right now) Ben Gordon is not way quicker .. and he doesnt jump way better either ..

  • Superzero Farmington, UT
    April 19, 2011 12:57 p.m.

    I'm probably over simplyfying this but my opinion is if Jimmer is the best available player you have to draft him. At that point you have options to trade the pick or keep him.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 19, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    BugOff: Check Locke's stats on the Jazz site and let me know what you think.

    Maybe because I haven't seen Knight very much, I'm not sure how he compares to Jimmer but I kinda like the idea of the Jazz drafting Jimmer, I think he will play adequate defense and his shooting will be a big time help. Plus I think he can and will develop into a good point guard, that distributes the ball like we would need.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 19, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    @jcrotty25

    Thats hilarious! I can't believe I made that mistake. I honestly did know that but for some reason, I must associate them as the same guy in my mind cause for some reason I was totally thinking it was Ben Gordon when I wrote the post. Maybe I associate Ben Gordon as a thug, not sure.

    Either way, Ben plays the SG and I think Jimmer will play PG pretty exclusively. Jimmer is a much better passer and dribbler. Jimmer seems to keep his dribble alive alot like Nash and thats why the comparisons are there but I think he can create his own shot better than Nash. It will be interesting to see how well he can actually play defense in the NBA and how many assists he will average but I am not worried about the rest of his game at all. Also, I think he could step in and help the Jazz right away which would be valuable in a playoff run next year. Maybe your right about the Ben Gordon comparison though I doubt it.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    Simple answer. Take him at 12, not 6.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    April 19, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    After watching the Bulls this last week...Jimmer can provide at least what Korver does to a team like the Bulls. His play has been invaluable to Chicago in the playoffs and Jimmer can play that role even better.

    The Jazz could do worse at 12...but I would rather root for Jimmer and see him go anywhere else so that I can continue to root against the Jazz.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 19, 2011 2:28 p.m.

    BillM75..........If you look at who is in the draft, Jimmer will be gone before the 12th pick. He could move all the way to the top 6 before draft day. This year's draft choices have a lot of question marks after the first 2. Jimmer could go 3, could go 10.

    After looking at the potential picks for the first round, Jimmer may be a lot higher than 12 come draft day. The more I read, the more I think by the 12th pick, he will be long gone. If he is there at number 12, it will be a no brainer for Kevin.

    I think the bigger question is, do you use your 6th pick on Jimmer?

  • T-Roy Summerville, SC
    April 19, 2011 2:46 p.m.

    According to nba Draft Draft .net the Pistions take Jimmer with the 7th Pick and it has the Jazz taking Jan Vesely and Jones from KY I hope we do not take another kid from Europe

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    April 19, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    NO

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    April 19, 2011 4:05 p.m.

    @J-TX

    Only a handful of teams have won a ring in the last 25 years. You think the Jazz are the only team that has fallen short. Did anyone think the Pistons would beat the Lakers in '04? The Jazz have a good fan base, only 2 losing seasons in the past 30 years (best in the NBA) and have a good core right now. The Jazz are bigger than ever, they need some perimeter guys. If you are such a negative nelly, why are you posting on here anyway?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 19, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Just read again about Bismack Biyombo and although we don't need any help in the front court, it would be interesting to consider drafting Bismack and then trading Milsap to acquire the 3 or 5 we need. Bismack is a very interesting prospect, 7'7 wing span, great motor, great shot blocker, chiseled body, smart, etc etc, etc. He would definitely upgrade our defense and would be a great 3rd big off the bench behind Big AL & Favors.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 19, 2011 5:46 p.m.

    Name a European big man that plays interior defense?

    Drafting a big man will just be a huge mistake. There is not a proven one in the draft. Does the names Koufus, Fes, etc. ring a bell with anyone? Personally I would rather see Fes on the court than some rookie European that can't play in the NBA picked with the 6th pick in the draft.

    The Jazz need shooters and perimeter players that spread the court for Jefferson, Favors and Millsap. Both picks should address the 1,2 and 3 spots.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 19, 2011 6:22 p.m.

    @CJ Miles

    Err...Darko Milicic...he averaged more than 2 blks a game i think...also Chris Kaman played for Germany...does he count? does Omer Asik count he is from turkey?...and Fes would wish he'd have Enes Kanter's game coz Kanter is a beast...plus i'd rather have them draft a SF...and a combo guard...they might draft jimmer...to replace ronnie price...If we get Tomic this year...Tomic would replace Elson...meaning we would have a weaker interior defense

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 19, 2011 6:28 p.m.

    @JazzFanMontana

    i think its Gilbert Arenas who brought the gun in the lockeroom and not Ben Gordon...but jcrotty25 is somewhat close...both are undersized for the position they will play...and both are better off as backup...plus both players jack up a lot of long balls...both of them has no D...

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    April 19, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    The Jazz are light years away from a title. Anything less than a title is just a waste of time in front of a TV set anyway. Take Jimmer. At least we would have something interesting to talk about other than another predictable loss to the Lakers and Spurs.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2011 7:05 p.m.

    "We are assuming the worst when we are saying 6th and 12th picks. Everyone knows we could get lucky but you have to plan for the worst and pray for the best."

    Actually, the worst case is the 9th & 14th picks. Only about a 3.3 to 4.5% chance that at least one of Houston or Phoenix will land in the top three, but there's about a 20 to 27% that at least one team picking 7th to 11th will. Ugh.

    Jimmer may well be the best available at 6 (or 7, or..) He prolly is better, esp at merchandise & ticket sales, than any of the Euros. Fes is Fes, but he is much, much bigger than any of the Euro big men, and at least has mostly adjusted to the NBA & SLC.

    Kantner did not attend UK due to being a pro in Turkey. He has played well there and has some size but he's btwn Paul & Al. He'll prolly go 3rd, Jazz would have to trade Paul if they picked him, you'd think.

    Heck, take Jimmer at 6 and Leonard/Burks/Morriss at 12, tho some mocks have Jimmer at 15.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    April 19, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    DO NOT DRAFT JIMMER. I am a huge fan of both and believe both will be better served by going separate directions. Jimmer can significant expand his fan base without the additional pressure that would come by playing with the Jazz. The Jazz can avoid a potentially embarrassing pick if Jimmer does not work out. There are plenty of good players at 6 and 12 that the Jazz can take without taking a chance on Jimmer. I hope he goes to the Knicks where he would fit in with the style of the team and be able to get more shots off.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 19, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    CJMiles: :You should read about Bismark before you just blindly say, you don't know any Euro players that play D. Bismark is playing in the top Euro league and leads the league in blocks and is one of the top rebounders. He is compared to OKC's Ibaka, long, athletic, chiseled, less than 5% body fat.
    Read about him and then think about it, trading Milsap could probably get us a good 3 and would give Favors and Al most of the minutes at the 4 & 5 but when Bismark would come in he would play tough D, rebound, block shots etc. 7'7 wingspan and very active, high motor, like I said read about him, he's an interesting possibility.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 19, 2011 10:03 p.m.

    Boy, this thread is taking a life of its own. Amazing how Jimmer Jimmers the boards, still!

    If Bismark is still available for the Jazz' 2nd pick, good. But, don't waste it on him for the 1st pick and not draft Jimmer if he's available then, too.

    The Jazz need a superstar replacement for D-Will, and Jimmer is the only possible one out there that might do just that. All the rest are likely all-stars only, at best. No current superstar would come to Utah. There aren't that many in the NBA right now, and those that exist are quite happy where they're at, and their teams are happy to have them.

    If anyone knows differently, I'd love to hear it. I'm always open to facts and truth.

    Gonna be a fun year if it isn't delayed. Gonna be an interesting draft, which won't be delayed. Could set up some interesting scenarios with respect to a walkout. Like, will drafted players go overseas at some point if the lockout kills the entire year? Hmmmmmm.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 19, 2011 10:51 p.m.

    What really determines where Jimmer goes is the workouts. The GMs are going to throw real NBA PGs against him and also big good SGs and see how he handles them. They are going to look long and hard at his physical stats like quickness, speed and especially lateral movement.

    Hayward does not have great wing span but it does not stop him from defending. 2 inches in height is over rated vs other capabilities. It really boils down to how Jimmer plays in the work outs. If he is adequate on D his stock will go up. If not then he will go to a team that does not value defense.

    To the best of my limited knowledge Knight is young but the photo typical NBA PG. It will take a couple of years to find out how good he really is but he may be better than Kyrie at the end of 3 years. Williams will play the 3 and would be good if the Jazz could get him. I like Kanter but worry about his durability.

    There are a handful of okay SFs mostly Euros. I do not like Leonard nor Kemba based on shooting %.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 20, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    @whatsinifforme

    Saying Jimmer might be a super star is a real stretch I think. I've learned you can never say never, but I don't see Jimmer reaching the same level as a Rose or even D-Will. However, I think he will be good and has the ability to stretch the defense which will help the Jazz. Korvers name has been mentioned a few times and he will never be a super star either but he is a nice asset to make the Bulls better, and I would hope Jimmer would do that for the Jazz.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 20, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    I personally don't think you can even compare Korver and Jimmer. The only comparisons I can think of is shooting ability and possibly defensive ability but that is still up in the air. Jimmer may be a better defender that people think. BYU's system did have Jimmer sagging quite a bit to stay out of foul trouble. There were times I saw Jimmer really step up and get in his mans face and he did a nice job.

    Jimmer has a much better handle on the ball, better passing skills, and can take almost anyone off the dribble because of his ability to go left or right using a killer crossover. He keeps his defender on his heels because he can shoot from anywhere on the court. When you have a guy who can beet you off the dribble and shoot from anywhere. That is a very dangerous combination, possibly a super star in the making.

    NBA teams will not be able to double him because there is so much more offensive talent to pass to if they do. If teams double Jimmer in the NBA, he will make whatever team he is on nearly unstoppable.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 20, 2011 10:56 a.m.

    Kakashi........Fes could average 2 blocks a game if he played the same minutes. No one considers Darko to be a great center.

    Still its a waste to draft a big man. He won't be any better than Fes and he will take 3 - 5 years to develop. The Jazz need players who can contribute next year.

    Jimmer will be gone by 12 unless he falls apart during team workouts.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 20, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    When determining whether a college player has the possibility of becoming an NBA superstar, you can't look at the "surface" or some of his individual college games. You must look deeper at that individual himself. What makes him who he is? How did he get where he is? Is he driven?

    Jimmer is boiling over with an undercurrent of things that count in becoming a superstar. None of the other draftees impress me that way. I see some possible all-stars, but no other superstars.

    I noticed in the recent playoff games that Danny Granger is doing quite well for the Pacers, but he wasn't as efficient in college. Why? Because as a pro he can put ALL of his time and energy into his craft. You simply can't do that in college.

    Watch what happens to Jimmer's abilities when all he has to do is be a gym rat. He'll surprise a lot of people. He's a self-made basketball player who knows how to improve himself.

    There are three things in life that are guaranteed: death, taxes, and Jimmer one day making his doubters eat crow!

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    April 20, 2011 1:29 p.m.

    Whatsinitforme..........Being from Orem says it all.

    No one knows if Jimmer will be a good NBA player or not until he plays in the NBA. Being a great college player does not make you an NBA player. Vice versa, being an average college player doesn't mean you won't be a great NBA player.

    The question that is being asked here is where should Jimmer be drafted, not if Jimmer will be the next NBA star. Right now all you can compare Jimmer to are the other players in this year's draft. Nothing more. So according to you, he should be drafted #1?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 20, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe : I hope your right, time will tell.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    April 20, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    Where do you draw the line between all star and "super star"? There are about 25 player each year selected to play in the all star game but of those who is really a super star? I think we can all agree Kobe, Lebron, and Howard are super stars and maybe some others too but I don't see Jimmer reaching that status. Can he be an all star someday? Maybe, but I'm not even sure about that because he would have to be one of the 25 best players in the pros. Don't get me wrong as I believe he can be good and I want the Jazz to draft him but like CJ writes, it is too hard to judge that when the kid has not suited up against the best players in the world yet. If he becomes that type of player I will be trilled, especially if he does it wearing a Jazz uniform.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 20, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    CJ Miles.... being from Orem I at least watched him enough, and read about him enough from many sources, to at least be able to form a strong opinion on The Jimmer. Did you?

    Jimmer's gonna make so many people eat crow!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 20, 2011 7:02 p.m.

    @CJ Miles

    you never said a great center...you only mentioned a defensive big...lol...you just lost to your own argument...again...i never mentioned him as a great center...again...i proved you wrong...like the time you asked for all-star coaches...lol

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    April 20, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    KOC said he was interested in signing AK and FES. He refused to comment on CJ. Is there some rule about commenting on players with a team option?

    Anyway if Fes's agent is reasonable it sounds like he might be back. I think he is good insurance.

    AJ is going to work on his vert and lateral movement. Fes should do like wise plus FTs and a couple of AJs inside moves.

    Corbin sounded like he wanted more assistant coaches to develop players. KOC supported him to some extent (no blank check)by indicating Corbin could add more coaches in the past.

    To bad the Jazz can't know what AK is doing before the draft. That would help a lot. There is no need to draft an AK clone if he is going to be here for 4 years (that is what AK implied for a new contract).

    I think there is talent in this draft. It is just not obvious talent. Some of the obvious talent have dropped out. But there are young players who will develop into stars and super stars in this draft.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 20, 2011 8:18 p.m.

    We need defense and rebounding, who can give us that? Favors gives us improvement in that area but I worry that Paul will balk at coming off the bench. Favors needs as many minutes as he can get.
    We need to look at trading Milsap and getting a quality 3 that can shoot the 3 and play D.
    Everyone should read about this Bismack Biyombi, he would give us a great defensive presence, he is active, high motor, athletic, rebounder, shot blocker, 7'7 wing span, disrupts other teams offenses, he is just what we need. His wing span makes him like he is a 7 footer or 7'1 or more and he's very active. Tomic doesn't give us what he would give us. Again we need Defense and Rebounding & shot blocking.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 21, 2011 10:29 a.m.

    There was a time when Millsap was a rebounding machine. What happened?

    Could be he's settled in and isn't trying to improve anymore. Just happy with his own status quo. Maybe the thought of Favors taking his starting spot will get him back to his old self.

    I'd also like to see him shoot the trey more often, especially when he's left open. Sure, he was hot a few times, meaning a flash in the pan thing. But, he's supposed to be efficient with it in practice, so there's no reason he can't make it more of his game when it counts.

    I keep seeing posters mentioning Biyombi. Sounds like he might be the 3 the Jazz need. But, I still wouldn't draft him before Jimmer, unless the Jazz really luck out and both of their draft picks end up in the top 10. (We all know THAT's not going to happen!)

    A PG, and possible superstar, is what the Jazz need. Teams without superstars aren't as much fun to watch. Hope just isn't there. Why play if not for the chance of winning it all?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 21, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    Biyombi doesn't have the skill set to play the 3, he would play mostly the 5, maybe some 4 but it is his defensive qualities that make him intriguing. We need help on D and rebounding and he does both very well. His 7'7 wingspan makes him play like he's a long 7 footer and he is mobile and active to boot.
    I wouldn't suggest drafting Biyombi unless the Jazz plan on moving Milsap in a trade. Milsaps value is at it's highest and we may be able to get what we need for him, a long athletic 3 that can shoot the 3.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    April 21, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    If Biyombi isn't a 3 prospect, then we for sure don't really need him as a first pick. Maybe the Jazz' second pick.

    The end of the season showed that Favors is quite the shot blocker. The Jazz really impressed in their final games against playoff-bound teams with a lot more shot blocks per game than they were averaging for the year. So, Biyombi might add to that, but not "solve" any shortcomings.

    So, the draft doesn't have an athletic 3 who can shoot the 3? Too bad.

    It's going to be interesting to see if the Jazz make trades, especially ones that work out.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 21, 2011 5:25 p.m.

    The draft does have a couple of good possibilities at the 3 spot, TJones and Vesely, both long, athletic, 3's that can shoot. Barnes & PJones were higher ranked players that could play the 3 but they opted to stay in school, thus weakening this draft. I agree our first need to fill in this draft is the 3 spot but defense and rebounding were actually the biggest problems for the Jazz last year. Biyombi would make an immediate impact in that area and I would trade Milsap to acquire the 3 we need. I say this with some reservations because Paul is a very good player and the kind of player every team wants, tough, plays with heart, energy, hustles, and his skill continue to improve but if he wants to stay in the starting line, that hurts Favors development and we need Favors to develop as fast as possible. Again Defense and Rebounding were our weaknesses and if we could address those problems with Biyombi and get a long, athletic, good shooting 3 for Paul it would make the team better. We may be able to still get Jimmer.

  • JazzFanMontana Hamilton, MT
    April 21, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    If the Jazz rotate Paul between the 3 and 4 spots with about 15 minutes at each position, and we resign Kirilenko for 5-7 Million off the bench, the 3 is actually pretty OK. Remember, Evans is talking about trying to make the transition to a 3 and CJ and Hayward can both play the 3. If those things fall into place, we may actually need another big man power forward or Center. I think the Jazz have some pretty versatile players so they may be able to pick a PG with their 1st pick and take the best available player with their 2nd pick. That could end up being a SG, SF, PF, or C position.

    I don't think Jimmer will be available at 12 so if the Jazz believe he is as good as I think he could be, they will have to take him with their 1st pick if they want him. I do think he is one of the only players in the draft that can come in and contribute at a high level right away.

    He is also a player who could play the PG or SG position depending on match-ups.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    April 21, 2011 9:03 p.m.

    Pick him in the second round where he will get drafted. Jazz normally have done better with second round players anyway because they are happy they got drafted by someone. They work harder. This year was an exception to the long term history of the Jazz!

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    April 21, 2011 10:27 p.m.

    I simply cannot wait to say I told you so if we pass on him at #12. This kid could be huge for the Jazz. He's a dang hard worker and getting him at #12 would be a steal. Leave Walker out of the equation as he is all hype. Jimmer would eat him a live in all aspects of bball. KOC get him if available at #12. Trade up a even take him at #10. We should get a decent pick before him at #6 or higher.

    You have no idea the weapons this kid has and can bring to the table. He will cause huge mismatches 30 ft and beyond. He will spread the offense and is a CONSTANT threat from deep.

    Oh, don't EVER compare him to Korver (who I did like). He isn't even in the same league as JF. Jazz get him at #12 no questions asked.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    April 21, 2011 10:34 p.m.

    Anti Bush-Obama--vomit away brother. Adam Morrison? Really? That's your best shot? Unbelievable. Such ignorance to make such a horrible comment. Do you know anything about Adam? His character? His diagnosis? Do you know how much that hinders a person (DM type I) and getting banged around in the NBA. Please, please go hid yourself in shame for making such a comment about Adam. If he doesn't have his dx (diagnosis) on his shoulder/serious health concerns there is no telling what he could have done in the NBA. That comment was completely unwarranted and callous at best. Then again "anti" fits you well. Shame on you. DN please allow this post to go through as I could have been a lot more harsh but "anti" needs to be seriously called out on this one.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    April 21, 2011 10:38 p.m.

    At least 1/2 of you are way off regarding JF. It's intuitively obvious that a lot of you have never watched him play a lick of bball. I didn't miss a home game and caught several on the road; down low every game to boot. I am sooo sick and tired of people saying this kid is not quick, can't play defense, is too small, etc. Please clue in on this..His bball IQ is unreal.If JF played hardcore D he would have had nothing left in the tank; think about it. Emory picked that up just fine. Fredette is a underrated passer and play-maker. The kid can create at will and you CAN'T stop his unique/unorthodox movements-ask any college team or coach. He is going to be a good NBA baller if healthy. He would b a fabulous pick at #12 and poss #6. Listen folks the draft was weak to begin with and it's getting weaker by the day. I don't want another Euro big to have him flop; I will take what we have for height. To you all haters-sad, very sad.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 22, 2011 12:28 a.m.

    @amgolfer
    alright...im jumping in the jimmer bandwagon....to be honest...i'd want us to get him...why?...he'll replace ronnie price...and you made a great argument...i mean...every player out of college has something he needs to improve on...and with hardwork...and i think jimmer has that...he'd improve...plus Hayward is in the team...he's sort of the all-around nice guy...im sure he'll give jimmer some pointers on staying in front of his man...think about it...Hayward and Jimmer....out working each other...it could be sort of a virus and spread...and everyone on the team...would work their tail off...and that's all they needed...no superstar on the team...everyone are equals...work together...play together win together...that will win us games...not superstars...but team work and high level of play...draft him at 6...there isnt anyone else anyway...plus we might have a shot at terrence at the 12....

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    April 22, 2011 9:13 a.m.

    Listen, I am not trying to say that JF is going to be the next Kobe--at all. I am saying he has the potential to be a good NBA basketball player. His pure talent at shooting, creating, bball IQ, toughness, great FT shooter, serious heart (what CJ lacks), and humility makes him an awesome candidate to join the Jazz. Many people will come and watch him play. If you have never seen him live (most haven't) it's a whole different experience--mark my words. If JF flops come after me and I will eat crow--a lot of bballers are risks in the draft. The list is a 5 miles long and you ALL know that.

    Oh, how many of you remember him from last year? Probably, not many as he didn't make the headlines like this year. Remember, that he had an amazing year while playing most of his games sick. Mononucleosis? Remember? Lost a ton of weight. Have any of you ever had the dx? It stinks to high heaven and most aren't tough enough to play w/ it. He did and still tore it up. Think about it....heart.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    April 22, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Oh, many have mentioned Kanter as a GREAT pick-up. I agree with everyone when they say he is the real deal and has a lot of talent. No doubt or argument there.

    However, aren't many of you a little concerned about his health? I don't think he is a freak like Blair (spurs). I have read several reports that his knees are a concern. See this is why I don't think Bynum will play a full career (not a lone on that thought process) and I will bet you anything that the Laker organization are all a little nervous about his future with them. We don't need another injury prone big man. We have been plagued enough. I understand that is a part of the game but it's a huge risk already knowing he has bum knees at the ripe old of age of what 19??. I love his talent but I'm just not sure it's worth it. Just a thought.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 22, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    Kanter is talented and very skilled but he is 6'10 and only an average athlete, his knees are a concern and he doesn't give us what we need. In a big we need a defensive stopper, rebounder, shotblocker. Everyone should read about the Biyombo kid, he sounds very interesting and exactly what we need, he has a 7'7 wing span, that is hugh and that makes him like a 7' or 7'1 player with long arms, he has a chiseled body,he is mobile, great motor, nonstop aggressive, leads the top league in Europe in blockshots and near the top in rebounds in like 17 minutes per game. We need to think about drafting him and trading Milsap to get the long, athletic 3 that can shoot that we need.
    I like the idea of drafting Jimmer, I think he will be much better than many think he will be. I like TJones and Vesely, but Vesely only averaging less than 11 points per game bothers me alittle. The draft can't get here soon enough for me.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    April 22, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    Captain, Jones maybe. I'm not sold on the Vesely at all. I know you have mentioned him several times but not seeing it. The "chiseled" guy from Europe I know nothing about. Why is he only getting 17 min?? Is there more than meets the old eye on this one?? More info would be great.

    I'm not sure what to think about Sap and his role. It will be interesting. Many feel he can give us 12-15 at #3. Many don't see it. It's definitely mixed. I wish he had better lateral movement and quickness on D as I truly feel he could play #3 in certain situations. That would be huge. His range is getting better every year as well.

    One thing I know is the draft is weak and getting weaker. I don't see us getting Irving, etc. So who will be left? I still feel we need a shooter and a True Center to bang with the big teams in the league. AJ is NOT the answer as he gets eaten alive night in and night out by bigger C. His D needs to improve as well. Get JF:)

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 22, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    I just watched Vesely in a championship game for his team and he did OK but not that great,8 points on 4 of 6 shooting, I'm not as convinced now that he would be a good pick, he is long, athletic, 6'11 3 man, very good hops, can shoot from 3 but he's not aggressive enough on the offensive end.
    I'd like to learn more about Biyombo, you can read about him on some of the mock draft sites, I like it when I read a player has a high motor and is very aggressive, Biyombo sounds like he is that kind of a player. The Jazz need to improve on D & rebounding and Biyombo would do that. 7'7" wingspan is very long and then he is very active, mobile and aggressive. Like I said read about him.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    April 22, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    Don't expect alot out of Memo. Recovering from an achilles rupture/repair to play at this level isn't likely to happen.
    Biyambo looks terrific--quick, long, athletic, aggressive, plays with alot of heart--wow!

  • TRUEBLUEFAN Logan, Utah
    April 23, 2011 5:44 p.m.

    Get Jimmer, then trade him for Wesley Mathews! That dude is a stud! But, the jazz should trade Memo for the #1 pick then get Derick Williams, then we will have D-Will II. Then draft Jimmer, trade him for Wesley Mathews, then get Tai Wesley.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 23, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    @TRUEBLUEFAN

    no one would trade the number 1 pick for Memo...that's ridiculous...and with how Wesley is playing..i dont think portland would trade him...i say...trade Harris for Hinrich and a draft pick....grabe a SF and a combo guard at the draft...

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    April 24, 2011 6:18 p.m.

    @Captain L

    i read about rookies every year for the past 12 years...before each draft...but i tell you...its better to have film and watch them...reading is something you get from another perosn's perspective...i'd rather watch 3-5 vids...and watch him at the workouts...you'd be able to get to rate him much better...he just had a great game...anyone can have one...im not sold with biyombo right now...but i will search for some films and watch...i have to watch him rotate without the ball on offense...and on D...usually when i watch a game...i focus on just one player...and watch him move...like when im studying for post moves to improve my game...i'd watch Al Jeff...Boozer(he is good getting into position)...

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    April 24, 2011 9:20 p.m.

    Kaskashi: That's good and I agree, it would be much better to watch as much film as possible, as much info as possible is what is best, both film to watch and scouts who have studied and watched. I'm not saying Biyombo is the player the Jazz should take, but I think he is worth looking into and see if he is the real thing. I don't want him to be the center the Sonics drafted several years ago and he was a bust. I like some of the things I read about Biyombo though, his hustle, motor, aggressiveness, work ethic etc etc etc. are good qualities to have. Let me know if you find vids of Biyombo are any of the other possible picks the Jazz may be considering. Watched some of TJones yesterday and I like him but they were highlight films mostly. He has a lot of skills and has the length/height I like for the 3.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    May 16, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    Alec Burks... we desperately need athleticism at the 2-guard. No more Euro giants who are outside shooters... if you're going after size it has to be an intimidator, someone who blocks shots, rebounds, and that impact guy is not in this draft.