As bad as the Jazz have been using first round picks past number 3, they might
as well take a shot at Jimmer if available at the 12 spot. As good as he is at
shooting the 3 and creating his own shot, its a gamble worth taking for the
Jazz.They desperately need a 3 point threat that can open the middle
for favors and AJ. Jimmer wont have a problem adapting the NBA 3 point line.Defensively, he will work on that over the next few years.Overall I say take him at 12. Please don't touch him at 6.
If the Jazz have a chance at Jimmer with the 12th pick, they need to take him.
They have nothing to lose, even if Fredette turns out to be a bust, they can get
rid of him in a couple of years. The Jazz get rid of all of their first round
picks within a couple of years anyways.(Maynor, Almond, Brewer, Koufus) It is
not a high risk to take him at 12. Unless there is some player that slips to 12
that is an obvious pick, the Jazz should take Jimmer for ticket sales alone.
Fans would love it and if Jimmer can continue develop like he has these past 3
yrs. it would be a great chance to take.These lotteries and draft
picks are all a 'crap shoot' anyway. Jazz won't lose any money on this kid. It
would boost interest locally.Go for it and I'll watch more Jazz
games just to see him play.
Big BYU fan. Big Jimmer fan. PLEASE do not draft Jimmer! Only one way for it to
work out good and many ways for it to go bad.
Disagree, if you hope Jimmer succeeds, it won't be with the Jazz. Kyle Korver
had difficult times getting shots off at his height and that was with Deron,
Boozer and others on the floor. Jimmer would fare better with teams with
multiple all-stars that you wouldn't be able to cheat on. I hope he goes to the
trade for dwight howard + draft the jimmer = championship, i don't care if he is
only korver.2, he will be great piece to put around dh.
Knowing JAZZ history, they will blow it and not draft him!! It is all about
pulling you fans in, but just not quite delivering with the Jazz. I want to know
how is it that teams like Boston, LA Lakers, San Antonio, Chicago, Detroit, and
others go thru down years, but then comeback with a vengeance and win
Championships?? Why has this organization not delivered a Championship to this
State and it's fans?Jazz will never win anything!! They play it too
safe. Never going for that big move that will take them to the next level. I
won't even begin on how many top players the Jazz blew it on when it came to the
draft...I want to be a Jazz Fan, but getting more and more difficult as the
years go by!!
Corbin is altering the flex. Bell is obsolete because he is a spot up shooter.
The new offense needs people who can create their own shot. That means CJ has
more value in the new offense. Jimmer can create. Many NBA players can't. The Jazz are -4.7 PER at the SG position. They are also negative PER at
the PG position. The guards are allowing 5+ more points than they are making.
Jimmer's D could not be any worse and his shooting would be a lot better. Jimmer has a very quick first step. He is also fast. He can defend if
the coaches want. He knows how to attack a Defense. He has a high Bball IQ. He
can be developed in to a very good PG. Probably a lot better than Harris. He has
a linebacker build similar to DWill. He can set and attack screens. He should be compared to Jason Kidd without the experience. Knight
is a good pick. Burkes might be. The Jazz do not need another big.
They need wings who can shoot and a PG who can run the offense and shoot
efficiently. Fix the wing problem.
No.People say to draft him because he will put those BYU fans in the
Jazz arena. Well 2 points: 1st - Where will those fans be after a
year if Jimmer does miserably in the NBA? Nowhere to be seen thats where. 2nd - Winning puts people in seats too. Get the best player that best
fits our needs and our system, not a marketing ploy.
Fans and local media seem fixated on the Jazz getting a big in the draft with
the first pick. Bluntly that is not bright. The front line of AJ/Millsap/Favors
is very good. The rebounding is a little weak. The efficiency could improve. The biggest problem is the SG position followed by the SF and PG
positions. Go look at the differential by Net PER for each position. The Jazz
have been weak at SG for years by design. This year they were so bad that it
KILLED the vaunted Sloan system. It actually choked for lack of outside
shooting. PER is problematic as a metric, NET PER is NOT. The Jazz
are dismal at SG. They can't shoot or defend at that position. Weakness at the
SG drags down the PG numbers and kills the inside efficiency. The inside TOs go
up and the inside shooting percentage goes down as the paint gets packed. The Jazz were killed by Sloan's bias against outside shooting. KOC and
Greg deserve some blame. BUT Sloan did not design for 3 point
shooting on offense and designed the D to make it vulnerable to 3 point
It's really simple - "NO". The Jazz need someone who has heard that
you have to play defense in the NBA.
We are in desperate need of "consistent" 3 point shooters. Hayward
looks promising, Harris has been raining 3's when Big Al looks to pass out of a
double team. Getting Jimmer can open the floor for our big guys in Favors, Sap,
and Al. Don't forget Memo is coming back, but we don't know if he can return to
"Money Memo". Most PG's who come into the league usually
takes them 2-3 years to get into the flow of the game.Draft Jimmer
at 6 or 12 it doesn't matter, there aren't any Lebrons, Durants, or Wades out
If things stay as they currently are with the Jazz drafting at 6 and 12, then
I'm fine with the Jazz taking Jimmer at the 12 spot.If, however, the
Collective Bargaining Agreement gets settled soon, it's highly likely a number
of other College players will declare for the draft and Jimmer's position would
slide.Fredette could actually fit in quite well with the Jazz;
especially if he can get Harris and Watson to kick the ball out to him. In my
opinion, he is quicker than Korver and has the ability create his own shot as
long as he isn't being guarded by a super quick guard. If he's utilized in the
right way, he could develop into the deadly outside threat the Jazz need.However, it won't surprise me if the Jazz pull off a trade that packages
one or both of their picks and/or a player to bring them a "proven"
talent from another team. (Likely Memo or CJ Miles.)
i say bundle up the two high draft picks plus CJ Miles' contract, even include
okur, for a real scorer at the 2 spot. the jazz already have hayward, favors
and evans to develop the next few years. millsap and Jefferson, with favors,
gives the jazz competent bigs. a couple of consistent outside shooters who can
defend is what the jazz lacks.
If the Jazz get the #3 pick and they need a guard type player, picking Jimmer
over Irving would make sense as Jimmer is better. Irving has played what 11
games? There's just not enough weight there, he hasn't proved anything. At the
same time. Jimmer lived in Utah and played there but it is not his home! I am
from NY, where Jimmer is from and would love to see him get home, back to his
roots playing for the Knicks. Would be a better fit and I think he would get the
same love, if not more than he gets in Utah.I have watched more NBA this
year than in the past and mark my words, Jimmer will meet his match periodically
but............. he will have similar success at the next level as he has had as
most NBA players don't play defense!
I'm guessing that Jimmer will do all right in the NBA as a role player,
something like J J Redick. Redick went #11 in his draft. Still, I'd rather see
Burks drafted, because he has good defensive ability and would eventually start
for the team that drafts him. If the Jazz can't get Burks, then maybe Kemba
This article makes sense. I cannot see any real scenario in which the Jazz would
seriously benefit from drafting Jimmer. He would be better with a team that
would take him off the bench to hit the three-pointer when they need that. His
defensive skills and size make him deficient at guarding NBA guards. We need
players with size and multiple skills that could play at different positions.
Jimmer would be better off playing with a top team coming off their bench.
Jimmer Jazz! That has a nice ring to it. I think ticket sales alone would be
reason enough to have him on the roster.
If Jimmer is the best remaining player available @ 12 and the Jazz think he can
help them win, then I would be OK with the draft pick. If they pass up someone
that they have rated higher to draft Jimmer for ticket sales, then I would not
be OK with the draft pick. The Jazz have prided themselves on making basketball
decisions and that is what I expect will happen here.I would love to
have Jimmer on the Jazz but I think he fits in better with Phoenix, Golden
State, or New York. I trust the Jazz front office to do what is best for the
franchise. I wasn't excited about Hayward when he was picked and I have been
eating crow for a couple of weeks now. Jimmer will be successful with the Jazz
or any other organization.
That's all the Jazz need is another 7' Euro that doesn't amount to a hill of
If Spud Webb could get shots off I'm sure Jimmer could.Besides, it would
put fans in the seats that normally wouldn't go.I wouldn't go because,
well, we'll leave it at that.
They should draft Jimmer for the simple reason that it would renew the
fanaticism in the franchise. Jimmer comes with his own local fan base who would
love to be able to watch him play.
Speaking of Lottery, Jazz Cop, you should enter the California lottery. Odds of
winning that are better than the odds of getting Howard from Orlando.
Jimmer had a great season at BYU, but the Jazz NEED something different. They
need someone big and tough down low to rebound and play defense down there.
Jimmer ain't that tall or that quick (even in the zone) which could put other
people in foul trouble that help him on defense. Jazz need someone big and
strong, that can rebound.
There are a lot of delusional fans who think the jimer can be taught defense but
I beleive it's more of personality trait then a skill. Playing defense requires
a "team" fist mantality with the williness to sacrifice.the jimer is not that.Also, the jimer is quite possibly the most
un-athletic pg to "potentially" be drafted in the first round in over
15 years. The awkward crashing and bumping to the hoop used against mid-major
teams will not work in the NBA...period.
No. No way. uh NO!!!
If he can learn to play defense and pass the ball, there might be a place for
him. He has a lot going against him. Height, speed, defense. He can shoot. See
what happens. At least the upper rafters will be full of the cougar faithful.
I'm on the fence about his pro prospects, but in a weak draft, you take him at
12. Are there really many better (non-project) prospects out there? You know
what you're getting with Fredette. I'm not saying he can't improve various parts
of his game, but as far as potential draftees go, he's as much a finished
product as there is.The dude that said Jimmer should be compared to
"Jason Kidd without the experience" is a little off-target, to be
kind. Their games are nothing alike with the exception that they both have a
"PG" after their names on the roster.Kidd has been a
brutal perimeter shooter for most of his career, but a magician setting up
teammates in transition. He was also big and strong enough to post up most any
other PG and get a bucket and/or a foul. Solid defender.That doesn't
sound like Jimmer, does it? Deadly long ball, creative interior scorer, sure,
but he was a shoot-first guy (and rightly so). His defense, I predict, will not
be a strength, but he won't be nearly as poor as his detractors insist.
Jimmer would make the Jazz defense even worse, yes somehow that is possible.
Prediction: Jimmer will be the greatest three-point shooter in the hisory of
the league, he will improve all other aspects of his game, including defense,
because he will also be the hardest worker in the history of the league. He
will be a super-star and the face of the NBA. Why in the world would the Jazz
ever be interested in such a player?
I found an article on the internet showing what the Jazz salary situation will
be next year. If the Jazz do not pick up Miles' option, the Jazz salary will be
$53,317,617 (for Harris, Hayward, Favors, Jefferson, Bell, Millsap, Okur and
Evans). If they do pick up Miles' option, the Jazz salary will be $57,017,627.
Last year's salary for Ekpe Udoh (the 6th pick) was $3,065,040. Last year's
salary for Cole Aldrich (the 12th pick) was $2,126,520. It is highly unlikely
the Jazz will be able to trade the players they probably don't want (Bell and
Okur), or that they will trade Millsap, whom they still need badly. It is also
unlikely they can get a better player than Miles for $3.7 mil. on the open
market. Finally, from everything Kirilenko is saying, it would appear the Jazz
could sign him for $5 mil. next year. If the Jazz could also re-sign Watson and
Fesenko for a combined salary of $3 mil. I think they should do it. This would
put the Jazz at $70,209,157--just under this year's luxury tax figure.
Maybe yes and maybe no.The Jazz have some serious rebuilding to
consider. They have about dismantled the franchise. They need to make decisions,
not on popularity contests and not on local or national infatuation with the
Jimmer, but based on sound needs analysis and what will strengthen the
franchise.Whilw Jimmer is a proven college scorer, that stat alone
has never been a barometer of ability to translate that into the NBA system. His
defense is suspect. His ability to score against proven NBA defense has never
been tested. The Jazz ought to move cautiously before hanging their
hat on the Jimmer hatrack. I loved watching the show, but NBA is a fragile
If the Jazz are unable to make trades for Okur or Bell, are unable to trade
their draft picks or move up in the draft, and re-sign Kirilenko, Miles, Watson
and Fesenko, I think their line-up should look like this, with the young guys
starting and most of the Jazz veterans on the bench:Harris
WatsonHayward BellMiles Kirilenko EvansFavors MillsapJefferson Okur Fesenko6th draft pick, 6th draft pickThis
lineup would give the Jazz a chance to let their young players develop with good
depth on the bench. The Jazz could also start different lineups, depending on
matchups, with Kirilenko and Millsap in the starting lineup. If the luxury tax
was to be the same as last year, this lineup would also be just under the luxury
tax.The Jazz might pick a European with one of their draft picks
(Vesely, Motiejunas, Valanciunas, Biyombo), whom they could leave in Europe for
at least a year or two. Rhe Jazz may use one of their picks on a point guard
(Knight, Walker, Fredette)--or re-sign Price. I don't see the Jazz draft picks
playing a big role on the team next year.
The Jazz bigs would have to be licking their chops if you have Jimmer and
Hayward playing the guard positions. They can both play the point or the
shooting guard for stretches of time. With them both running around the 3 point
line that is going to open it up more for Favors, Big Al, and Millsap under the
basket. I'm all for drafting Jimmer at #12 if he's there. Hayward seems like he
will be a pretty good defender and Jimmer will have to work hard on defense but
I think he can be a decent defender with a little time.
Sorensen needs to get his facts straight in this article, only 2 of the players
he mentioned as centers are really centers and Kanter wants to play PF.Jimmer is more athletic than some are wanting to give him credit for and I
think he will do fine on the defensive end. He didn't even try to play D last
year. I think those who think he will play the 2 are wrong, he can create and
pass and should be able to be a quality point guard. I'd love to see the Jazz
take him at #12, at #6 I think they need a long, athletic 3, Vesely, TJones are
probably the best IMO, at the 2 there really isn't anyone I like, Burk is the
top 2 put they say he's not that good of a shooter and his D is suspect, what
they say about him reminds me of CJ. Kanter & Jonas are good prospects at
center but we're not in bad shape in the front court, even though we could use a
tall, defensive minded center. Jonas is the only one tofitthatbill. Leonard
would be my sleeper pick.
There isn't a dominant 'big' in the draft this year ... no Dwight or Shaq or
Duncan. We already have Favors and Big Al. Please DONT draft another big. We
definitely need to stretch the floor. Jimmer certainly can do that. We missed
Kyle Korver this year. Jimmer can be BETTER than Kyle and most Jazz fans would
be fine with Kyle at the 2.I know Jimmer isn't tall enough to fit
the prototype SG but his opposing SG will have to exert some effort on defense
to keep him from scoring which helps on defense.I'd love to see
Jimmer here as the # 12 pick. As for the #6, I'm going to wait and see what
I'd like to see KOC bring in Walker, Knight and Ferdette and let them duke it
out on the court and let's see who plays the best. Last year they brought in
several 2/3 type players and Hayward proved to be the best of the bunch.IMO the Jazz need in order of priority a long athletic 3, a pt guard that can
shoot and create for his teammates, and a long, athletic, defensive minded
center. Vesely & TJones I like the best at the 3, not sure which of the 3
pts I like the best, although I like Jimmers ability to stretch the D and
create, Jonas is the only center to fit the bill but he is young and light
weight, not quite ready to do it in the NBA.
Has anyone ask him if he wanted to play in utah? Even if we put the best players
around him which anybody who traded could do. If he's still not intersted,
fine. I think it's the way to go though.
Who are you people watching ... How can anyone say he doesnt have quickness or
athletic ability to play at nba level ... jimmer has serious pop in his legs and
a quick release and is very very quick .. maybe not super fast but definatly
quick...and can jump off one or two legs, and is very creative, and can shoot
from all angles and spots on the floor .. perfict pick and roll player in nba..
steve nash hasnt been able to beat someone off the dribble in 7 years but he
kills you in the pick and roll and is a deadly shooter and ball handler just
like jimmer ... obveously jimmer cant even touch his smarts yet.. or passing
ability (ever) but wow why all the hate... my comparison is Ben Gordon with
better passing and way more desire to be good...
Why would the Jazz need to draft Jimmer for ticket sales? The Jazz consistently
have very good ticket sales and probably will for at least the next season. If
they can make things fun and have a possible playoff spot, ticket sales will
continue to be fine. I don't think Jimmer would hurt that, but I don't think
he's necessary to keep ticket sales high as a whole.
Fredette's ceiling is about Eddie House (undersized SG who doesn't play D but
has a great shot). If you're okay drafting Eddie House with the 12th pick go
ahead. I would rather see the Jazz take someone that could regularly start in
the league, even if it takes a few years for the player to develop. Either
way, we should take the best player available for either pick. I can name at
least 12 players that I consider better than Fredette so we should draft someone
One thing you get with Jimmer that is difficult to duplicate in the NBA:
remarkable work-ethic and humility. That means that Jimmer is likely to
continue to improve. Don't draft him if you are looking for ticket sales.
Draft him if you believe that he will continue to improve and work tirelessly on
his game as he has always done. I think that he will turn some heads with how
quickly he is starting.
Jimmer will take a long time to play d, that is not necessarily bad but those of
you saying he would make a good 2 he would have to guard Kobe...anybody see that
happening?The thing not mentioned here is Jimmer shoots 92% free
throws and his ability to get to the hoop would make him a likely candidate to
make aliving at the free throw line in the NBA.Comparisons to Korver
are inaccurate in that Kyle could not dribble the basketball nor was he capable
of shooting when the pressure was on. Jimmer is adept at both of those and
playing with Hayward who can guard well already may be a possibility for the
Jazz.Jimmer will have a hard time meeting expectations but so did
Hayward for most of the season but time helps those who work hard and Jimmer is
capable of hard work.How may projects do the Jazz want for next
season?How about trading CJ for Dwayne Wade and we can get past the
working on projects/people and just get to winning.
Jimmer is a good pick at #12, he would essentially replace Price on the roster.
A guy who could play PG or SG. It would take him some time before he became
successful in the NBA like it did for Hayward. I disagree about him
going to a team like the Knicks. He needs to go to a team like Chicago (and
hopefully Utah will become more like Chicago), a team that will bench players
(even stars) for playing lazy uncommitted defense. It wouldn't take long for
Jimmer to learn to play committed defense in that situation. I also
think PG is the correct role for him. He needs to learn a system, if he can
learn to run the Jazz system he will learn to make the correct passes. He also
needs to learn the pick-n-roll, if he could execute the pick-n-roll he and
Favors could be deadly. I think the Hayward-Favors pick-n-roll will also be
Jimmer may or may not pan out in the NBA but I think the Jazz have more to lose
by not drafting him. The kid was a media and fan sensation, scored an obscene
amount of points against some good competition and won all the prestigious
player of the year awards. I don't think many experts will criticize the Jazz
for spending a 1st round pick of a player with that resume whether his NBA
career works out or not.
Put it this way, if the jimer wasn't lDS and didn't attend BYU would anyone jazz
fan even give this guy a second thought? Of course not.Take the
emotion out and he decesion is very easy.
They might be able to trade Bell. He is better than some think but his strengths
no longer fit the new Jazz system. He has some value to other systems that need
a spot up shooter. KOC will not trade Memo unless he is a disaster going into
the trade deadline. Jimmer is to undersized to play the SG
consistently. His primary value is as a PG and as a specialty shooter. His
ability to draw fouls/FT % is also a plus. AK is not likely back.
The Jazz have to have wings who can shoot. An SG who can consistently shoot
while creating his own shot and replacing AK are the top priorities. Hayward "may" be the shooter needed at SG? If so then use the 6th
pick on an SF. Evans "may" develop into and SF. Millsap can play a
little SF. If the SG/SF is covered by current players/trades/draft
then a PG that takes 2 years to develop is a good move. Walker is
undersized and has a poor shooting percentage. Knight would be good if
available. Jimmer is worth developing and a reasonable risk.At 12
Jimmer is a good pick.
All draft projections have Jimmer gone by the 15th pick or so. If all the
experts are high on Jimmer that should make him legitimate rather than just a
popular choice. Doesn't matter to me if the jazz draft him or not. I will
reserve judgement until he plays.I personally think the Jazz have enough
young players. They should try and trade one of the picks if they can get good
value for it.
may as well draft Jimmer, can't be anybody else out there who could possibly
come in and be an offensive threat as quickly as he would be.
If the jazz could get lucky enough to find him still there by 12 then they
should draft him...Then it would be reasonable to perhaps either keep him or
turn right around and bargain for positioning a better possible multiple player
trade. I personall wouldn't mind if some how after all the dust settles see
Jimmer with Ainge and the C's.As if that will ever Happen!!!
Well so far I have read here that we should trade for Dwight Howard (maybe we
trade Fes huh), and then CJ for Dwayne Wade. Can you start working on that KOC
and let me know when you get it done:) LOL
Maybe, Just maybe @ 12 if we send him to the D- league for two years so that the
fans in Orem can fill out the cheap seats with 9 year olds. That way when the
Jazz are down by 7 in the fourth quarter we don't have to hear the boos and then
chants of " Jimmer" "Jimmer ". See if he can play D-
league ball for two years before trade bait time. But never, in the blue
bloods dreams, as our first choice. He was what 3/15 from beyond the arc and
11/29 overall in his last game ?
Jimmer deserves a much better team than Jazz. Maybe another time - after the
Enes Kanter is the "real deal". Brandon Knight is the "future
real deal". I would say that the Jazz need to package such as Harris and
trade up from their 12 spot.
Who cares? Jazz still will never win a ring....
Jimmer is not the Jazz style of player. Maybe things will change under Coach
Corbin, but Jimmer doesn't play defense and I know that is one thing that
frustrated Jerry Sloan about players like Carlos Boozer and Kyle Korver.
Frank Layden helped put the Jazz on the map when they moved from NO to UT. He
helped build the Jazz and knows who are keepers, those who will succeed in the
NBA. He recently said that Jimmer Fredette "is the real deal". That
endorsement alone ought be worth something. With Scottie being an assistant
coach, he would probably support daddy's recommendation and give his input to
the front office, ie KOC. Look for the Jazz to draft Jimmer at 12 if he is
still there at 12. It is a no brainer. It will help ticket sales. The Jazz
will be exciting with Jimmer - just like BYU was this year. Do it, Kevin!
With Jimmer's current skill set the can bring 5 more wins to the Jazz by playing
6-8 minutes a game. Put him in to close out games. His range makes it very tough
to guard him on the perimiter. If he is fouled its automatic points.
Re: hedgehog: "Take the emotion out and he [sic] decesion [sic] is very
easy."Take the ability to think critically out and the decision
is very easy. You belong in the Jazz front office, seriously.BTW-
Jimmer Fredette: better than any player that has played for the University of
Utar ... ever!
If they draft Jimmer at #6, I will vomit.
Can you say Adam Morrison? I knew you could.
He could be great but then again everyone thought Araujo was going to be great
too. He can certainly shoot from long range, but I'm not sure if he can defend
in this league.
I've got an idea and I'm going to get blasted for this, but why don't the jazz
package the higher pick for a pick next year. If you are looking for size, Greg
Oden can be had on the cheap. Laugh if you must but he's still better than any
center the jazz have had since Mark Eaton. And at least you know what you are
going to get. They will never improve via the middle to late picks in the draft.
The brass has shown that they are incapable of finding a diamond in the rough.
Unless they are drafting in the top 5, they need to improve through trades.
Losing AK's contract also helps to provide a little financial flexibility to get
someone, but you are still going to have to overpay to get someone to come to
Utah.As for Jimmer, if he is in a more modern spread offense or even
something like the triangle, I think he would be successful. Flex requires him
to shoot coming off screens. This is something he never had to do at the Y. Not
a good fit for the system.
@anti bush-obamaSo did you just go do a little research to find a
lottery pick that was a white guy that ended up not being a great NBA player so
you can compare him to Jimmer? There are a lot of lottery picks that end up not
becoming big stars in the NBA but it is offensive to make your comments on
Jimmer because of the color of his skin. Maybe Jimmer makes it, maybe not but is
he a good pick at #12. I think so. Stockton was th 16th pick by the Jazz and
ended up having a pretty decent career sporting a farmer tan the whole time.
No more big man projects please! We dont need another Dufus Festertag on our
team. Jazz need a shooting guard. Worry about the big man later. KOC and Scott
Layden wasted more draft picks on big dumb guys than anyone ever would. I cannot
stand it. Lets get the best talent out there. Be wise!
Adam Morrison is no Jimmer. Jimmer is much better one his worst day than Adam
was on his best day.There was a guy named Dantley who played for the
Jazz who was undersized and slow. He seemed to have no problem scoring and
getting to the free throw line.This draft is weak. Jimmer will have
more upside than any other player in the draft at #12. The Jazz
will use both their draft picks to save money over the next few years. Rookies
are cheap no matter how good they play. Their contracts are set for a few years
by the NBA. The biggest question is can the Jazz unload Memo for a
really good player on a bad team???
I'm ok with the Jazz picking Jimmer in the draft. He can create his own shot
plus create shots for others. The Jazz have no 3-point threat currently on the
roster, and Jimmer would add that threat. True Jimmer did not display a lot of
defensive ability in the NCAA, but under the BYU system he did not have to. His
role at BYU was to score 30-40 points per game, not play lock down defense on
someone, that was Jackson Emery's job. If JImmer had the chance to not be the
primary scorer every time down the court, he would be able to play tough
defense, will he be an amazing defensive player, probably not, but I can see him
playing really scrappy and getting after it on Defense, especially if he only
plays 10-15 minutes per game starting out
If the Jazz don't take Jimmer at 12 he'll likely be taken between 15 to 20 so
the best thing to do is trade down and get a future 1st round pick. Jimmer is
the best offensive guard in the draft but his defense is average and he doesn't
finish near the rim (like D-Will or Derick Rose). He has been overhyped and
last year was likely a 2nd round pick but I am a big time fan and think he'll be
an immediate impact player like Stephen Curry. The advantage to drafting
him will be ticket sales and Freddette jersey sales and Jimmer gear. No one
wants him more than the Jazz.This draft is getting weaker everyday since
Harrison Barns just announced he is not going to enter in the draft.
(nbcsports.com) I really hope that no other top 10 prospects take their names
out. The Jazz need to get Bismack Biyombo from the Congo, who had 12 points, 11
rebounds, 10 blocks at the Nike Hoops Summit in Portland recently. I'm
concerned about drafting young players 19 and 20 years old unless we can keep
them oversees for several years.
No one is really sure how Jimmer will turn out..... well except Hedgehog and
Chris B. Keep in mind both of them posted over 100 times about Austin Collie. I
think they just did a cut and paste from older posts they made. Too slow, not
athletic etc. Gotta love throwing in the 'can't play D' stuff. Have you been to
a NBA game lately? Not much D played until the playoffs. Fredette will also have
1 person guarding him instead of 2 or 3 like he did all year, and still lead the
nation in scoring. (before someone posts about their weak competition and
schedule, you might want to check their SOS.
Spare me the comments about how bad the Jazz are at drafting players. Their
draft record is no worse than any team in the league, and they have rarely had
the opportunities in the past that they have this year.Jimmer is a
gamble worth taking once we are picking past 10. Everyone is a gamble at that
point, and Jimmer might just learn how to play defense. The question is, will
he turn into a Reddick (who learned his role) or a Morrison (who never learned
to play defense).
@ SouthExposure comment about the Jazz FO"The brass has shown
that they are incapable of finding a diamond in the rough"Are
Lots of talk about defense, or lack thereof, played by Jimmer. Seems to me even
Michael Jordan wasn't much of a player in college and in his first few seasons
in the NBA. He admitted as much. Jordan was a highly motivated player, and one
that we'll never see again, but Jimmer can learn to play better defense just
like any NBA player can. Once Jordan focused on being a better
defender, he ended up with the Defensive Player of the Year award a few times.
Besides, does anyone really play defense in the NBA anyway?
Use the draft to help your weak back court. We need a shooting guard that can
come in and give solid minutes right away. If Jimmer is there at 12, you get
him. Burks looks NBA ready, and he is used to the Rockie Mtn. climate. My
choice:1st pick from NJ we draft Burks. Solid shooting guard, Wes Mathews
type. NBA ready.1st pick 12th overall I go with Jimmer. This first
round just filled some huge holes on the roster. We would have our 3 pt.shooter
and our 2Guard for the future and both players would help stretch the floor,
something we didnt really have a lot of this past year, poor shooting and poor
perimeter defense killed us. Next challenge for KOC, what to do with
Memo? Do you stick with this group of Bigs and draft big next year? Trade? Buy
out? Play him? 10 million dollar question. I dont think the Jazz
should waste a first round pick this year on a big man that is going to ride
pine behind Big Al, Milsap, Favors and possibly Memo or his replacement....
The Jazz could do worse, much worse.
I have looked all year for reasons why Jimmer can't make it in the NBA.I'm running out of reasons...
I love the idea stated by some of trading both picks and some players for some
proven talent at the 2 or 3. Unfortunately, there isn't a lot to choose from
that doesn't come with baggage. Stephen Jackson and Rip Hamilton are both head
cases. Wade, Kobe, and Ray Allen aren't going anywhere. Andre Iguodala would
be the best man for the job. I would trade both picks, plus CJ, Memo, Fes and
more for Iggy.
No, too many tweeners already.
I really don't get all the comments on how bad the Jazz brass are at drafting.
It really does not make any sense. You look at Wes Mathews, Ronnie Brewer, Mo
Williams and a few others who ended up being contributors and signing with other
teams offering more money. If anything, they are a little too good at seeing
talent and developing it, as that talent always leaves.It is an
endless battle to keep talent here.I think it would be an
interesting prospect if the Jazz got an opportunity at taking The Jimmer at #12.
If he thinks the pressure was on in the tourney this year though...the local
fans will be all over him from minute one to produce.
Gee, is anyone surprised to see BYU-haters chiming in on a Jazz article? Your
biases are so pathetic. Gosh, if this was a Ute player you would find very
little objection, thus the difference. Pathetic when you think about it.Jimmer at a #12 is a very viable option. No risk on a guy that has
national appeal and can we agree that that the cart full of trophies and
recognition really mean something... like true basketball talent and
potential.Jimmer bashing is poor form. Wish the guy some success and
get over your petty selves.
When the Jazz traded D-Will, their ONLY superstar, I realized that one of the
reasons I liked watching the Jazz was because they DID have a superstar.Now that the Jazz don't have one, seats are going to start emptying.
Didn't any of you notice how many empty seats there were lately? It was not just
because they weren't making the playoffs, but also because there wasn't any
superstar to come and watch. Hope was lost!A team needs at least ONE
superstar to keep up ticket sales. Just being an also-ran NBA team that makes
the playoffs each year, but not much else due to the lack of a superstar, isn't
going to keep seats filled over time. I don't recall any NBA team winning the
title without at least one superstar.Enter The Jimmer. Duh! Only a
fool wouldn't take Jimmer in their TOP pick. The teams that skip him will live
to regret it when they have to defend him.Jimmer's range, which has
NEVER been matched so far in the NBA, will be a problem most NBA teams will have
The BYU-haters and the "I really haven't watched him, but have read about
him" posters on this article are sad Jazz fans, to say the least.Jimmer has been pooh-poohed all his life at every level, yet keeps coming out
on top. Why? Because he has the IT factor (basketball IQ and killer instinct),
AND he works his butt off!Any coach or GM will tell you that the
most important asset for a player is how hard they work at getting better. NO
ONE in the NBA will out-work The Jimmer at getting better.BTW,
Jimmer finished his BYU career ranked 3rd or 4th in all-time BYU steals. That
doesn't sound like a guy who can't play defense. By design, he hung back on
defense so that opposing teams couldn't get him off the floor via foul trouble.
DUH!Jimmer WON'T get double/triple-teamed in the NBA like he
constantly was in college. His cross-over is better than D-Will's.The reason he swept the college POY awards is because he could CONSISTENTLY
prove his range AND layup ability. Voters recognized that.
Any team should really draft Jimmer!
Does anyone know if the Jazz could unilaterally lift the restrictions on their
draft pick, which they traded to Minnesota, so that Minnesota would be required
to use the Jazz draft pick this year? Then the Jazz could have their own draft
pick next year, instead, plus the GS draft pick, in a much stronger draft.
One more comment on Point Guards. If you really follow the NBA, you would notice
a transition from the traditional '1' and '2' positions. Before there was a Very
distinct difference between a point guard and a shooting guard. The Point guards
in the 80s and 90s were there to pass first, now many are top scorers as teams
have just guards that can pass, shoot and score. More like Isiah and AI were.
Rose, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Billups and Paul all averaged more points this
year than Stockton's best year. Felton, Stuckey, Harris, Nash, Augustin,
Holiday, Udrih, Lou Williams, Conley, Lowry, Sessions, Collison and Nelson all
scored more this year than Stockton's PPG career average. In 2000, Avery Johnson
was the 4th leading PG scorer with 12 PPG. That would have put him #21 (9th last
among starters) .2 PPG ahead of Ridnour.
This draft is so poor that it is a draft about taking calculated chances. The
problem with Jimmer is he is one-of-a-kind. You can not name a player in the
NBA or college who plays the way he plays the game. Magic Johnson was a
one-of-a-kind player. Bird was another. You can't compare them to other
players.Now I am not saying that Jimmer will have the careers that
Magic and Bird had. Most likely not. But when you have a player who can score
from anywhere across mid-court, you draft him. The NBA forces teams to either
play a guy straight up or double team him and let someone else beat you. Jimmer
is not going to get double-teamed in the NBA and I like his chances one-on-one
against anyone in the league. Draft Jimmer if available at the 12.
Depending on who is available at the 6, maybe even there. The pick is pretty
much useless this year due to lack of talent.
No NO No No NO, NadaJimmer deserves better, the Jazz are a mess making bad
trades and bad decisions for the money, (sending a backup PG to Memphis for
nothing but a tiny $2 mil saving, getting $3 mil in the DW trade to the Nets).
The talk of selling and moving the team to Seattle, Louisville, Chicago is still
out there. The Jazz perfer 6'10" to 7; stiffs with hard to pronounce names.
With "born with a platinum spoon in his mouth" Greggie Miller and a
clueless KOC, there is little chance the team can come back. Let Jimmer fall to
the bottom of the draft and play for quality franchises like the Spurs, Suns,
Denver, Boston, Orlando, just not the Jazz. Take a look at the list of #1 draft
the past 10 years, how many are still around?
fastcheck:I like your research, but not your conclusion. Just
because most NBA PGs are now Iverson-mimicking PGs, doesn't mean that's the way
to go. If you don't have great scoring from the 2 or the front line, then the PG
MUST score a lot to keep the ship afloat. But it'll sink in time.If
Stockton were playing today on a team with a great 2 and decent front line, an
NBA title would be a slam-dunk. You always need a captain on a ship, and that
means leading the team, not just in scoring.A Jimmer, Hayward,
Jefferson, Favors, and Kirilenko starting combo would be impossible to stop.
Then with a backup combo of Harris(Watson), Millsap, Memo, Miles, and Evans,
what's not to like?Kirilenko might get replaced in the draft, but I
doubt it. I didn't see that much in this year's draft other than Jimmer. Jazz
should keep AK.PGs that can really run a team are rare. Jimmer's
that kind of PG. It didn't show much in college because the team he was on
couldn't shoot, so he did.
jimmer is going in the top 10 picks why do all of you assume he can be had at
the number 12 pick, sorry not a for sure he will even be there..Did anyone on
here who are saying jimmer cant play at nba level watch jimmer scrimmage against
team usa world team last summer ? arent all of you being prejuduce bc he is a
white player, i think if he was black you same ppl would all want to draft him
..Its unreal .. this guy can flat out play .. and this is a weeaaak draft so i
think jimmer is a great pick for us.. just like i thought gordon hayward was a
great pick for us ...
Perhaps the Jazz could trade their 12th pick and Okur to the Hornets for Stephen
Jackson. Charlotte seems to be trading away all of their good players for
salary purposes. Jackson has two years left on his contract ($8.5 mil. next
year), while Okur only has one year left at $10.9 mil. Charlotte would probably
take the draft pick to get another cheap rookie player.Even though
Jackson is getting old, he is still a better wing player than anyone on the
Jazz. He has good size, can shoot the 3, and is a good defensive player and
rebounder. If the Jazz are unable to re-sign Kirilenko, Jackson could really
help the Jazz until the Jazz's younger wings gain more experience. If the Jazz
are able to re-sign Kirilenko, Jackson gives the Jazz good veteran depth at the
wing. Jackson also seems to have matured, so that he is no longer the "bad
character" he once was. The Jazz could get a needed player while dumping a
bad draft pick.The Jazz were able to survive without Okur this past
year and could replace him with a free agent, or bring Tomic over from Europe.
I think Jimmer outside of the Top 10 would be a steal. The Jazz had a couple of
them with Stockton and Malone (though I don't want to put that pressure on
Jimmer) and I think whoever drafts Jimmer will get a solid NBA player for years.
As a Jazz and BYU fan it kills me to say I hope Jimmer goes eleswhere. If he
comes to Utah there are simply to many expectations up front. If he played with
some superstars and ran the point for them I think things would be better for
Jimmer. I'd love to see him in a Lakers uniform (ouch) because I'd love to see
him succeed. He would easily be better than Fisher. Orlando, NY,
Miami(desperate need of a PG) would all be better fits for him to succeed. I
don't like any of those teams but believe Jimmer will have a career similiar to
Ainge or Hornacek. Never the star on the team but a significant reason the team
was good and played or won championships. He could really develop into a Rajon
type player if the spotlight were on the other stars of the team. In 2-3 years
he could be an all star PG similiar to Rajon's rise to fame.
hedgehog posted the following when Jazz when they drafted Gordon Hayward. Help
me out hedgehog, Is it a BYU or a white player thing? hedgehog |
7:09 p.m. June 24, 2010 looks like a BYU recruite.Not good.
I can't believe there are so many people that can't evaluate what the Jazz
need!!! Every team always wants to get more athletic and longer when they draft
or trade. The Jazz are no different and with that said the Jazz are solid at the
4 & the 2. Hayward and CJ give the Jazz an advantage when they play the 2
but are undersized and over matched at the 3. Hayward is going to be solid and
even possibly an all star if he plays the 2, CJ can be a good 6th man and back
up to Hayward & who ever starts at the 3. Again the point is to get longer
and athletic. We need a long athletic 3 that can shoot. Vesely or TJones fill
that bill, We need a future point guard, Knight, Jimmer or maybe Walker, all of
them can score, Jimmer has the best range, and I think he would be a good risk.
A center that can play D and rebound/block shots is a need and the only player
that fills that bill is Jonas. He is 18 and thin, but has a goodwork ethic but
he's a project.
Not all of Frank Layden's picks and trades were great but here are some of the
highlights:Karl Malone with the 13th pick. I guess that was a
no-brainer but at least he wasn't stupid like all the GM's before him.John Stockton with the 18th pick. He had done his homework there though the
Jazz fans at the draft booed loudly.Mark Eaton in the 4th round.
This round doesn't even exist now. The Indiana Pacers drafted Anne Meyers in
the second round, probably a publicity stunt but the Jazz got one of the best
shot blockers and defensive players in league history. Some of his second round
and lower picks like Eaton were very inspired. So if Frank Layden
said pick him, he's legit I would tend to listen. The only decision I really
regret Layden made was trading AD for Tripucka. I would have liked to see AD
play along side Malone and Stockton for a couple of years to see if the trio
would have gelled. But so it goes. But Layden knows talent.
If the Jazz could package one of their draft picks and Okur to Charlotte for
Stephen Jackson, then they could use their other draft pick for a point guard,
such as Knight, Walker or Fredette. If the Jazz re-sign Watson, then they could
give their rookie point guard time to develop.The Jazz should be
able to sign a backup center to replace Okur. There are some decent backup free
agent centers, who may be in the Jazz price range (mid-level exception or less).
In order of preference: Dalembert (probably too expensive), Przbilla (might be
a good fit at an affordable price), Dampier (may elect to stay in Miami),
Ilguaskas (may elect to stay in Miami), Gray (big and skilled, but slow), Elson
(available, and we know him), Curry (way out of shape, but should be cheap, and
has talent if you can get him to work), Oden (probably too expensive and too
risky), Ming (probably too risky, but what if he got better?). I don't think
any teams with good, young centers are going to let them go in restricted free
agency. Other veteran centers will cost too much. The Jazz also have Tomic.
Eagle......Dantley was sent packing because he was a bad influence on Malone.
AD caused that trade, not Layden by saying things to Malone in the locker
room.What if Jimmer during team workouts, looks unstoppable and goes
#1? Due to the lockout that will happen, there will not be a season next year
to worry about..........
If the Jazz take Jimmer, I am officially done with the Jazz. And what's all
this about Jimmer "working his butt off?" He certainly doesn't do
this on the defensive end of the floor.
I got room on my wagon 1A BB Fan, Im sure you wont be missed. I'll
be back later to get the rest of the jumpers, there's always room.
Took hedgie a while to post, slow, white, mid major, lds, no defense, et al. I am surprised there was not mention of the honor code.By the way,
sorry dnews but I took the time to read an article on Dave Rice in the LV
Journal. All those comments on how Rice would kick back and have a cool one once
he got out from the restrictions the Y put on his life style. What I found
interesting for all of you, his parents served a mission for their church, in
Africa. I am not sure but it appears Dave Rice is a very humble, honorable man,
with grear morality, and integrity and raised by some very good people. I would
think many at the y would say he brought respect and credit to the way through
his lifestyle.I know that he will do well and hope him and his
family the best.
Yes if the Jazz are trying to build a team to contend for the division title.
Jimmer plays defense worthy of the WNBA... so yes draft him, he'll fit in with
the rest of the Jazz.On the other hand if we want to build a
contender then the answer is no.
@CJ MilesWhat if Jimmer during team workouts, looks unstoppable and goes
#1? ------------What if CJ Miles plays two straight good
games? Both are wishful thinking.What Utah needs is a true center
at #12 to clog the middle.
1A BB Fan,Do your rose-colored glasses make it hard for you to
read?A lack of Jimmer's defense in college was by design, not a lack
of ability. The team wasn't offensively strong enough to compete without
Jimmer's scoring, so he wasn't required to defend in order to be on the
floor.Get it? I pretty much said that in one of my previous posts,
where I also mentioned working his butt off.
Take all of the Jazz draft-picks over time, and I can see Malone and
Stockton...Malone was cheered, and Stockton was boo'ed. The rest, you need to go to google to see where they are playing, or selling
cars...I would rather see the Jazz pick a DeShawn Stevenson with the
23rd pick, and waste it, like so many others, than put a proven player on the
court. (proven college, not NBA)... (Isn't it funny with all the anti-BYU Utes
there must be a disclaimer on everything?)===How could
Jimmer be a lousy pick for any team?===1980...Joe Barry
Carroll from Purdue University was selected first overall by the Golden State
Warriors. Darrell Griffith from the University of Louisville was selected second
by the Utah Jazz.Kevin McHale from the University of Minnesota was
selected third by the Boston Celtics.Eight players drafted went on
to have a coaching career in the NBA.====Sure the Jazz should
pick Jimmer, and so should any other team hoping to sell a ticket, or wanting to
win games.You always hit on 12 in Blackjack... Why not the draft?
Uteology | 5:30 p.m. April 18, 2011 Fort Worth, Texas @CJ MilesWhat if Jimmer during team workouts, looks unstoppable and goes #1? "What if CJ Miles plays two straight good games? Both are wishful
thinking.What Utah needs is a true center at #12 to clog the
middle." ===What if Uteology were to ever answer a
straightforward question???OK, who is surprised the Uteology is
pulling this hidden stratology, after all, he is Uteology???===Uteology, save it for the anti-cougs.The questions is
whether or not Jimmer can help the Jazz.Question to you, as a man,
or Woman, depending on who you are...Can he?Looking
forward to your response.....===BTW, Uteology is the
psychology of Utah fans that no matter what happens, Utah is better... If BYU
has a POY, Uteology suggests that a National Player of the Year is not as good
as Rick Majerus. Rick is not as good as Gio, and Gio is not as good as Boylen,
who is now not as good as K2...===Uteology, can Jimmer help
the Jazz?How about a YES or NO???I would love a one word
comment from you...One word... babe...
Jimmered! This board's been Jimmered!He's still relevant, after all
these days (since his last game or trophy).It's fun to see all the
hate for him. That'll make it so much more fun if the Jazz draft him, because
it'll get so many Jazz fans' goats.That's kind of how The Jimmer
operates, anyway. Getting peoples' goats through his play. It's Jimmer's modus
operandi to bug his opponents through his play. That alone will get him success
in the NBA.Ask any of Jimmer's opponents how they felt about playing
against him and losing to him.
If the Jazz do pass up on this opportunity (especially with both picks) and
Jimmer does become another Jeff Hornacek or Cris Mullen, Utah fans will be hard
pressed to forget and forgive. Can you say goodby to those responsible....
trade for next year's lottery pick....better prospects next year than this
year...trade the 12th pick and bell and CJ for a pick next year...draft Jan
Vesely at the 6th...let him play SF...having a 6'10-6'11 SF that can shoot would
be great...think about a lineup of Al Jeff Favors Vesely...all around 6'10...and
you have hayward a 6'8-6'9 SG...and Harris...pretty tall line up...and could
create different mismatches on the offense...
Is Jan Vesely a future superstar, or just a pretty good SF?The Jazz
need a superstar. They currently don't have one. You can't win a championship
without one.Jimmer was college's superstar, and could be one in the
NBA.It's going to be fun to see IF... (I don't doubt, but most of
you seem to.)
Anti Bush-Obama says that if the Jazz draft Jimmer, he'll vomit. If I hear one
more time how Jimmer can't play defense, I think I'll vomit. Jimmer is a superb
athlete who played the game he was supposed to play. Do you really believe that
an athlete with his determination to be the best won't be able to play good
defense at the next level? He also won't have to carry a whole team (unless, of
course, he's drafted by the Jazz). I hope Jimmer isn't drafted by the Jazz. It
would be nice to see him go to a winner.
my gosh folks you all been lost somewere for 4 months? jimmer was all byu had.
point # 1 jimmer was not allowed to play defense. trust me the boy knows how to
play defense. point # 2 the jazz have not had a decent make a three
point shot since jeff hornacek. and face it if john stocton wasnt a threat,
jeffs number wouldnt be in the rafters. now you say all you want. this kid can
fill a stadium. and hes got something 98% of all this senior class aint got.
something john stockton has still. HEART. heart wins games. heart added to a
good team wins championships. i like a movie facing the giants. prepare for
rain. the farmer that didnt never had a crop. i pray the jazz prepare for
rain point # 3 had jimmer even been close to an offensive player he
woulda fouled out.he was in foul trouble because of his offense. folks
the jazz need to take this kid. thats all and thankyou
People we will be lucky if Jimmer is there at 12. I don't care what Utah fans
think because they don't think as a basketball mind they think with hate
period.Case in point..."What Utah needs is a true center at #12
to clog the middle". Uteology quote of the day. Like there is
going to be a impact big man left on the board at 12 that will make a diffrence
in this draft. Nice comment and thoughts.
@1A BB Fan: What would you do to be "officially done with the Jazz"?
Ppl who say things like this are fair weather fans sho probably have never paid
for a single ticket to watch the Jazz. What you say in your post is worthless.
Either be a fan or not, but don't sit on the fence.
Derek Fisher, and any other average NBA guard would have Jimmer tied into a
pretzel in about 2 minutes...Jimmer is not NBA material.
Uteology.........Could you tell me who this great center is the Jazz are going
to draft at #12? The Jazz don't need a center. They need guys that
can make outside shots or play the point. There is not a better center than Fes
in this year's draft.And by the way, CJ had career averages this
year in all catagories. Mr. Ute, tell me again, who for 3.5 million a year in
the NBA is better than CJ at scoring?
Jimmer has Adam Morrison written all over him. Don't draft him at 6 or at 12.
What is all this talk about next year's draft having better prospects? Have
these fans been scouting high schools? Those who keep ripping
Utah's drafting should turn around and look at your attitudes last year. Booing
Gordon Hayward was a mistake and you know it. Now you are back with
your usual negativity saying that the only good players we ever drafted were
Stockton and Malone. Did you forget Darell Griffith, Dominique Wilkins, Mark
Eaton, Thurl Bailey, Dell Curry, Bryon Russell, Greg Ostertag, Andrei Kirelenko,
DeShawn Stevenson, Mo Williams, Deron Williams, C.J. Miles, Paul Milsap, Ronnie
Brewer, Eric Maynor, and now a promising Gordon Hayward. You can argue your
opinions on some of these guys, but you can't deny that each of them (with the
exception of the young ones who need time) has had a very successful NBA career.
Be a true fan or go root for the Lakers.
NO!!!! He is slow plays no D and we don´t need a 6 foot nothin
slow shooter. Will do nothing in the NBA. Jazz yes get a tall fast strong
person. everything that Jimmer Lacks.
WhstsinitForMe: What about Detroit a few years back. They won it all without a
superstar and did it on defense. Of course, you would have to have that if you
lacked a superstar.
UncleRico.........That's like comparing a Ford Escort to a Infiniti G37. You
must have not ever watched Morrison and Jimmer play. Morrison could shoot the
ball in college but was very one dimensional. He could not create his own shot.
Jimmer scores from every angle on the court. Morrison was so slow that instant
reply was always in real time. Jimmer is quick on his feet and can take anyone
off the dribble. Jimmer understands the fundamentals of defense and will do
just fine down the road................
You don't waste a lottery pick on a player who won't be a future starter in the
league and a player who's ceiling can basically be seen from where he is now.
Jimmer is a nice late first round pick to help a solid team, but
he's not a lottery pick. I'd like to see the Jazz take a chance on a young
college player or young European because at least that player has the chance to
become an All-Star with proper development. Jimmer just isn't in that same
Here is a list of players picked at the #12 spot since 1980:Jason
ThompsonThaddeus YoungHilton ArmstrongYaroslav KorolevRobert SwiftNick CollisonMelvin ElyVladimir RadmanovicEtan ThomasAleksandar RadojevicMichael DoleacAustin
CroshereVitaly PotapenkoCherokee ParksKhalid ReevesGeorge LynchHarold MinerGreg AnthonyAlec KesslerMookie
BlaylockHarvey GrantTyrone BoguesJohn WilliamsKenny
GreenTim McCormickDarrell WalkerJohn BagleyKelly
TripuckaMike WoodsonThere are some good players in there but
not alot of all stars. So we can't expect greatness with the #12 pick, whoever
it is. I still say if Jimmer is there you can't go too far wrong taking him.
BTW, the list of players picked #12 in the draft was through 2008 I think. So it
didn't include the players in the last 2 drafts. Sorry.
Everyone that says don't draft him at 12 start naming who should be picked at
twelve. None of you know, its a weak draft this year, there aren't any big true
centers in this draft.
DRAFT THE JIMMER!!! THE KID IS MONEY IN THE BANK AND A WINNER!!! He has got the
drive and talent to dominate his position just like his transition from high
school to college when everybody in D-1 was saying the same negativity. You
don't need to hear the rest of the story. Players that do what he has done in
his career from the starting points they begin from rise to the top. See Jordan,
It's almost funny how the conventional wisdom ignores reality, such as these
facts: 1) Jimmer is fun to watch, has better name recognition than
any other player in the draft, and will draw crowds if he is given a chance to
play. For that reason alone, he will go much higher in the draft than most
people expect.2) Jimmer has an NBA All-Star mindset - he works hard,
he plays best under pressure, he knows how to deal with hostile environments,
and he has court, team, and game savvy. Smart GMs, such as Ainge, O'Connor, etc.
recognize the importance of mindset and draft accordingly.3) You
can't easily teach or coach into a player such things as character,
determination, intelligence, self-control, and a will to win. Jimmer has them
all.4) The Jazz may need "another big," but they DO NOT
need another 6'11" project. Isn't insanity doing the same thing over and
over again and expecting a different result? If so, the Jazz are insane when it
comes to drafting big men projects. TRADE for a proven big man.Conclusion: Draft Jimmer; trade for a big.
@ redcliffsGreat Job, there's your list people...Should we just
trade our 12th pick for any of those guys (that's still playing ) or draft
Jimmer with it.....This years draft is not going to produce the
SUPERSTAR some of you are asking for. If you dont have the top 2 picks your
going to have take your pick of ROLE PLAYERS after Irving, and Williams. Get that list IMPLANTED in your heads because that is what a 12th pick
will get you. I would rather take a chance on the best 3 pointer
shooter in this draft (Jimmer and Williams)
wow ainge has been silent jimmer in boston wow loved the celtics then
The Jazz should draft Jimmer at #12, he has the range to shoot from well behind
the nba three and is as good as anyone driving to the basket and drawing a foul.
He is also a very good passer, he lead the Cougars in assists and made some
excellent passes when drawing defenders to him. His defense is average and needs
work but knowing Jimmer, he will work harder then anyone to improve his game.
With deference to the Detroit anomaly, I'm still beating the superstar drum.The Jazz need at least one. No one currently on the team is a superstar
or can become one. Outside of Jimmer, I don't see any possible future superstars
being drafted in 2011.Even without playing a single NBA game, Jimmer
will bring the superstar feel to whichever team drafts him. It'll be up to how
the team uses him whether he fills that bill. He'll certainly be doing his
part.What makes a superstar? You can't stop'em!No one in
Jimmer's four college years stopped him.The BYU team lost games, but
no one (except mono) ever stopped Jimmer.
Jimmer is a superstar in college, but dont presume that he will be one in the
pros when he hasn't played a second in the NBA. Unless you, and Ms. Chloe can
see into the future.
We're DEEP all the sudden when it comes to big guys. we need back-court help.
take the jimmer.
AK said it right. He would welcome Jimmer to the team and resounded with his
usual big smile, "Ticket sales would soar. We would fill the house every
game."Well, the scorboard would reflect his presence also I
predict. I have seen enough of him to know he does create his shots with great
skill. We really do need outside shooters who are consistent. Right now we have
none. Welcome Jimmer.
The Jazz need wings and PGs who can shoot. I am okay with Jimmer. His D will be
no worse than what the Jazz already have at the wing or PG. At least he can
shoot. OPen up the inside and watch AJ get efficient and Millsap
improve dramatically. Millsap's size is less important if the inside is not
packed. Jimmer can part the paint pack. That alone is reason enough to draft
him. Someone has to guard him constantly out beyond the 3 point line. They can
pack the paint and guard Jimmer. That is exactly what the Jazz need.
Unpack the paint. If he busts the Jazz are out little as they are
not getting a super star at 12 in a weak draft. Burkes does not play
D either. I do not hear anyone ripping him. He probably is CJ 2 but most people
are cool with drafting Burkes.
@redcliffsIt's true that the 12th pick has been a little rough
around the edges in the past but plenty of good players including serious all
stars have been drafted after the 12th pick and I bet there will be players
taken in this draft after the 12th pick that will become all stars. I do believe Jimmer has the "It Factor" and even though not as fast
as some other PG's, he knows how to break down a defense and create and thats
something that I'm sure will translate to the next level. In fact, I would dare
to say that players who can break down a defense and create his own shot at the
college level will do it even better at the NBA level. I rarely see players
break down college defenses off the dribble but Jimmer did it consistently. I
would not be mad if they took him with the 6th pick cause I still think there is
always good talent that somehow goes unnoticed later.
@whatsinitformeI believe this Jazz team actually has several players
who could be so called super stars if they shot the ball enough. Millsap is the
first to come to mind. he just does not take super star quantity of shots. I believe Favors could be a star. He has all the athletic talent to do
it. We will have to wait a couple years to see if he has that drive to improve
his game. Jefferson could be that guy. When he decided to put the
Jazz on his shoulders in February and March, he was one of the highest scorers
in the league and shot a great FG% blocked shots etc... He could be an all star
center in this league.Hayward could be that guy. When he got minutes
and the team needed him, he came through big. He has an incredibly high
basketball IQ and does not take bad shots. What he did to Kobe made me think he
can be a super star. The way he finished against Denver confirmed it. To be continued.....
the celtics are taking jimmer. count on it, either in draft or via trade.
Harris could be that guy. He's already made an all star team once. He's been a
little injury prone and frustrated on a bad team with a coach he didn't get
along with in NJ.Harris has all the tools to be great including a great
attitude. I like him better than Derron already and when he gets this offense
down, I think those assists will go up quite a bit.I'm going to take
a beat down for this but CJ could be that man. CJ has Kobe Bryant level talent.
If he would get his head on straight and work like an all star he could be one.
When he gets hot he can score with anyone. The problem is he doesn't come ready
to play every night and he gets down on himself quickly when he misses a few
shots. He also needs to play more consistent defense.
jimmer is the next Ben Gordon and thats a good 12th pick if we could get him
The Jazz will have the opportunity to add a couple more potential all star type
players in this draft. The draft may not be deep but smart teams who do their
homework usually find diamonds in the ruff. It wouldn't surprise me at all to
see the Jazz take Jimmer with their first pick and look to getting someone like
Jordan Hamilton with their second pick. @whatsinitformeThe way this Jazz team is currently constructed with several super talented
players with all star type skills probably wont have a so called super star
because the talent level and ball is so well distributed. That's the great thing
about the way the Jazz are constructed, they are very difficult to stop because
they have several players who can hurt you. One of the problems I saw right
after the Jazz traded Williams was their lack of ability to create their own
shot. I think some of these issues have been solved by sitting Bell on the bench
where he belongs and starting CJ or Hayward but I think Jimmer would also add to
that as well. I am very excited for the future of this team Go Jazz.
@jcrotty25Why are you so infatuated with the comparison of Jimmer to
Ben Gordon?Jimmer has a better basketball IQ but is not as quick or
fast as Ben Gordon.The only comparison I can think of is that they
are both good outside shooters. I don't see Jimmer caring a gun into the locker
room either. I sure hope Jimmer does not turn out like Ben Gordon. Jimmer will
play the PG and Ben Gordon plays the SG so I don't think you will be able to use
the "they are both undersized at their positions" statement.I think Jimmer will have a great opportunity to be a star in this league but I
would not compare him to Ben Gordon. I honestly think he is a one of
a kind type player. I am not sure I have ever seen a player quite like him.
That's why I think he just might end up as a super star in this league.
@JazzFanMontanaGood thoughts, but I think a superstar is someone who
has the following qualities: > Can't be stopped. So far, only
Hayward shows that possibility. Jimmer has proven he can't be stopped. All other
current Jazz players either stop themselves (inconsistent--some times just don't
show up in a game), are stopped by the right defender, or are stopped by the
right defense. Sure, a superstar can have an off night, but those are very
rare. > Has the IT factor. Jimmer has it. Hayward, not so sure.
Haven't seen "it" (consistently) in any other current Jazz player.
Favors, maybe. > Works his butt off to get better, no matter his
talent level. Jimmer's been that all his life. CJ definitely doesn't work is
butt off to get better. Both great players and superstars do work their butts
off, so this alone doesn't signal a superstar. It's just one of the three
qualities.Otherwise, the player is just a great player--the kind
you'd want playing with a superstar so that teams can't plan defenses to slow
the superstar down.With Jimmer, Hayward, and Favors, the Jazz future
This draft is getting very weak and Jimmer is moving up the board. If Jimmer
does well in the combine and the work outs the Jazz may have to use the 6th pick
to get him if they want him. I like Jimmer. However, if the Jazz drafted Knight
I would not feel bad.I am not sold on Harris as his shooting
percentage is low and has been for 8 years. He needs to raise his assists and
his shooting percentage or he is not going to be effective in running the Jazz.
At 8 mill a year you need more from the PG spot.The PG position is
the most important one in the Jazz system. Favors is the PF of the future. They
need the PG of the future to go with him. AJ is good enough at C.
Hayward/CJ may be good enough at SG (I would like better)? AK is going to play
in Russia. Evans may develop. The SF position needs help depending on AK and
Evans.Knight or Jimmer at PG could be good. The SF has a few
candidates in the draft.
Why I think the Jazz should get Jimmer. If the Jazz play Jimmer at
SG, Kobe will have to guard him. Jimmer's shot is so quick that his extreme
range will drag Kobe out past the 3 point line. Kobe can't sag back into the
passing lanes. He can't pack the paint the way he did with Brewer and every
other Jazz SG. It does not matter that Kobe is 3 inches taller. Kobe has to stay
out with Jimmer. Just by being on the court Jimmer alters the
offense. Further, Jimmer would guard Fisher. Hayward/CJ/AK would be on Kobe. That same logic applies to most teams other than the Lakers. I still think Jimmer is an NBA PG and will be a good one in a couple of years
but he can play the SG effectively for the Jazz simply as a paint unpacker. He
does not have to shoot a lot he just has to drag the other SG out of the passing
lanes. The Jazz CAN'T WIN if the paint is packed. They have refused
to learn that one lesson. That is the primary reason Sloan has no ring.
Jimmer went to Utah to play basketball. He had other opportunities. He tested
the waters last year and went back to school (good choice). I would
draft him first chance I got. I believe he can play and that he will stay in
Utah. A big consideration in the Jazz drafting a player, is will he
stay if he becomes a marketable asset. Sucess in the NBA is centered around
ability, willingness to work, willingness to live a healthy lifestyle and being
given a chance to play by the coaches. I believe Jimmer fits all catagories.
If the Jazz can get a good sf at the 6th and Jimmer is there at 12 great. But
why does everyone think the jazz will be 6th and 12th They still have a chance
to move up in the draft depending on how the ping pong balls fall. They could
have the number one pick and with that pick goes irving. If they get the 2nd
pick in the draft williams from AZ 3rd pick I would take Kanter from UK
This topic has been very popular according to the number of posts and so alot of
Jazz fans have an opinion about Jimmer. I'm not going to go back and count, but
I suspect that more people are in favor of drafting Jimmer than are opposed
based on reading the posts. I think KOC has done a great job for the Jazz, but I
don't think he ever goes with the crowd favorite. I end up liking his picks, but
they are not usually what the crowd wants (prime example was last year when the
Hayward pick was booed). So based on past results I'm sad to say that I don't
think the Jazz will take Jimmer. Hope I'm wrong!!
@redcliffsTrue, but I also think the Jazz have alway's tried to
draft the best player available and when drafting in the lottery, you have to
take the best player available even if he doesn't fit the positional needs
perfectly. It's also been very rare for the Jazz and their fans to
experience a lottery pick, let alone 2 in one season. Last year the Jazz and us
fans felt we desperately needed a big man. I am even certain the Jazz would have
drafted big if the man they wanted was available. Looking back, there was not a
big power forward or center better than Hayward and the Jazz recognized that.
I may get booed for saying this but Jimmer just might be the best
player available period, and If the Jazz believe that, they will take Jimmer
with their first pick. They wont risk loosing him at 12 if thats where their
second pick is.@T-RoyWe are assuming the worst when we
are saying 6th and 12th picks. Everyone knows we could get lucky but you have to
plan for the worst and pray for the best.
Plan for the Worst Take JImmer 6th and Leonard or the kid from Texas with the
@T-RoyI totally agree with you with the worst case. The kid from
Texas you are referring to is Hamilton who I mentioned in a previous post.
jazzfanmontana If you dont even know that its not Ben Gordon that carried a gun
into that locker room .. then how do you know that he is quicker then jimmer ...
That was Gilbert Arenas... and ben Gordon and jimmer play the same way ... I
said that jimmer is a better passer ... but they bother are 6'2 scorers who are
tweeners ... and ive watched both of them extensivly and that is the best
comparison to jimmer (right now) Ben Gordon is not way quicker .. and he doesnt
jump way better either ..
I'm probably over simplyfying this but my opinion is if Jimmer is the best
available player you have to draft him. At that point you have options to trade
the pick or keep him.
BugOff: Check Locke's stats on the Jazz site and let me know what you think.Maybe because I haven't seen Knight very much, I'm not sure how he
compares to Jimmer but I kinda like the idea of the Jazz drafting Jimmer, I
think he will play adequate defense and his shooting will be a big time help.
Plus I think he can and will develop into a good point guard, that distributes
the ball like we would need.
@jcrotty25Thats hilarious! I can't believe I made that mistake. I
honestly did know that but for some reason, I must associate them as the same
guy in my mind cause for some reason I was totally thinking it was Ben Gordon
when I wrote the post. Maybe I associate Ben Gordon as a thug, not sure. Either way, Ben plays the SG and I think Jimmer will play PG pretty
exclusively. Jimmer is a much better passer and dribbler. Jimmer seems to keep
his dribble alive alot like Nash and thats why the comparisons are there but I
think he can create his own shot better than Nash. It will be interesting to see
how well he can actually play defense in the NBA and how many assists he will
average but I am not worried about the rest of his game at all. Also, I think he
could step in and help the Jazz right away which would be valuable in a playoff
run next year. Maybe your right about the Ben Gordon comparison though I doubt
Simple answer. Take him at 12, not 6.
After watching the Bulls this last week...Jimmer can provide at least what
Korver does to a team like the Bulls. His play has been invaluable to Chicago
in the playoffs and Jimmer can play that role even better.The Jazz
could do worse at 12...but I would rather root for Jimmer and see him go
anywhere else so that I can continue to root against the Jazz.
BillM75..........If you look at who is in the draft, Jimmer will be gone before
the 12th pick. He could move all the way to the top 6 before draft day. This
year's draft choices have a lot of question marks after the first 2. Jimmer
could go 3, could go 10.After looking at the potential picks for the
first round, Jimmer may be a lot higher than 12 come draft day. The more I
read, the more I think by the 12th pick, he will be long gone. If he is there
at number 12, it will be a no brainer for Kevin.I think the bigger
question is, do you use your 6th pick on Jimmer?
According to nba Draft Draft .net the Pistions take Jimmer with the 7th Pick and
it has the Jazz taking Jan Vesely and Jones from KY I hope we do not take
another kid from Europe
@J-TXOnly a handful of teams have won a ring in the last 25 years.
You think the Jazz are the only team that has fallen short. Did anyone think
the Pistons would beat the Lakers in '04? The Jazz have a good fan base, only 2
losing seasons in the past 30 years (best in the NBA) and have a good core right
now. The Jazz are bigger than ever, they need some perimeter guys. If you are
such a negative nelly, why are you posting on here anyway?
Just read again about Bismack Biyombo and although we don't need any help in the
front court, it would be interesting to consider drafting Bismack and then
trading Milsap to acquire the 3 or 5 we need. Bismack is a very interesting
prospect, 7'7 wing span, great motor, great shot blocker, chiseled body, smart,
etc etc, etc. He would definitely upgrade our defense and would be a great 3rd
big off the bench behind Big AL & Favors.
Name a European big man that plays interior defense?Drafting a big
man will just be a huge mistake. There is not a proven one in the draft. Does
the names Koufus, Fes, etc. ring a bell with anyone? Personally I would rather
see Fes on the court than some rookie European that can't play in the NBA picked
with the 6th pick in the draft.The Jazz need shooters and perimeter
players that spread the court for Jefferson, Favors and Millsap. Both picks
should address the 1,2 and 3 spots.
@CJ MilesErr...Darko Milicic...he averaged more than 2 blks a game i
think...also Chris Kaman played for Germany...does he count? does Omer Asik
count he is from turkey?...and Fes would wish he'd have Enes Kanter's game coz
Kanter is a beast...plus i'd rather have them draft a SF...and a combo
guard...they might draft jimmer...to replace ronnie price...If we get Tomic
this year...Tomic would replace Elson...meaning we would have a weaker interior
@JazzFanMontanai think its Gilbert Arenas who brought the gun in the
lockeroom and not Ben Gordon...but jcrotty25 is somewhat close...both are
undersized for the position they will play...and both are better off as
backup...plus both players jack up a lot of long balls...both of them has no
The Jazz are light years away from a title. Anything less than a title is just a
waste of time in front of a TV set anyway. Take Jimmer. At least we would have
something interesting to talk about other than another predictable loss to the
Lakers and Spurs.
"We are assuming the worst when we are saying 6th and 12th picks. Everyone
knows we could get lucky but you have to plan for the worst and pray for the
best."Actually, the worst case is the 9th & 14th picks.
Only about a 3.3 to 4.5% chance that at least one of Houston or Phoenix will
land in the top three, but there's about a 20 to 27% that at least one team
picking 7th to 11th will. Ugh.Jimmer may well be the best available
at 6 (or 7, or..) He prolly is better, esp at merchandise & ticket sales,
than any of the Euros. Fes is Fes, but he is much, much bigger than any of the
Euro big men, and at least has mostly adjusted to the NBA & SLC.Kantner did not attend UK due to being a pro in Turkey. He has played well
there and has some size but he's btwn Paul & Al. He'll prolly go 3rd, Jazz
would have to trade Paul if they picked him, you'd think.Heck, take
Jimmer at 6 and Leonard/Burks/Morriss at 12, tho some mocks have Jimmer at 15.
DO NOT DRAFT JIMMER. I am a huge fan of both and believe both will be better
served by going separate directions. Jimmer can significant expand his fan base
without the additional pressure that would come by playing with the Jazz. The
Jazz can avoid a potentially embarrassing pick if Jimmer does not work out.
There are plenty of good players at 6 and 12 that the Jazz can take without
taking a chance on Jimmer. I hope he goes to the Knicks where he would fit in
with the style of the team and be able to get more shots off.
CJMiles: :You should read about Bismark before you just blindly say, you don't
know any Euro players that play D. Bismark is playing in the top Euro league and
leads the league in blocks and is one of the top rebounders. He is compared to
OKC's Ibaka, long, athletic, chiseled, less than 5% body fat. Read about
him and then think about it, trading Milsap could probably get us a good 3 and
would give Favors and Al most of the minutes at the 4 & 5 but when Bismark
would come in he would play tough D, rebound, block shots etc. 7'7 wingspan and
very active, high motor, like I said read about him, he's an interesting
Boy, this thread is taking a life of its own. Amazing how Jimmer Jimmers the
boards, still!If Bismark is still available for the Jazz' 2nd pick,
good. But, don't waste it on him for the 1st pick and not draft Jimmer if he's
available then, too.The Jazz need a superstar replacement for
D-Will, and Jimmer is the only possible one out there that might do just that.
All the rest are likely all-stars only, at best. No current superstar would come
to Utah. There aren't that many in the NBA right now, and those that exist are
quite happy where they're at, and their teams are happy to have them.If anyone knows differently, I'd love to hear it. I'm always open to facts and
truth.Gonna be a fun year if it isn't delayed. Gonna be an
interesting draft, which won't be delayed. Could set up some interesting
scenarios with respect to a walkout. Like, will drafted players go overseas at
some point if the lockout kills the entire year? Hmmmmmm.
What really determines where Jimmer goes is the workouts. The GMs are going to
throw real NBA PGs against him and also big good SGs and see how he handles
them. They are going to look long and hard at his physical stats like quickness,
speed and especially lateral movement. Hayward does not have great
wing span but it does not stop him from defending. 2 inches in height is over
rated vs other capabilities. It really boils down to how Jimmer plays in the
work outs. If he is adequate on D his stock will go up. If not then he will go
to a team that does not value defense. To the best of my limited
knowledge Knight is young but the photo typical NBA PG. It will take a couple of
years to find out how good he really is but he may be better than Kyrie at the
end of 3 years. Williams will play the 3 and would be good if the Jazz could get
him. I like Kanter but worry about his durability. There are a
handful of okay SFs mostly Euros. I do not like Leonard nor Kemba based on
@whatsinifformeSaying Jimmer might be a super star is a real stretch
I think. I've learned you can never say never, but I don't see Jimmer reaching
the same level as a Rose or even D-Will. However, I think he will be good and
has the ability to stretch the defense which will help the Jazz. Korvers name
has been mentioned a few times and he will never be a super star either but he
is a nice asset to make the Bulls better, and I would hope Jimmer would do that
for the Jazz.
I personally don't think you can even compare Korver and Jimmer. The only
comparisons I can think of is shooting ability and possibly defensive ability
but that is still up in the air. Jimmer may be a better defender that people
think. BYU's system did have Jimmer sagging quite a bit to stay out of foul
trouble. There were times I saw Jimmer really step up and get in his mans face
and he did a nice job.Jimmer has a much better handle on the ball,
better passing skills, and can take almost anyone off the dribble because of his
ability to go left or right using a killer crossover. He keeps his defender on
his heels because he can shoot from anywhere on the court. When you have a guy
who can beet you off the dribble and shoot from anywhere. That is a very
dangerous combination, possibly a super star in the making. NBA
teams will not be able to double him because there is so much more offensive
talent to pass to if they do. If teams double Jimmer in the NBA, he will make
whatever team he is on nearly unstoppable.
Kakashi........Fes could average 2 blocks a game if he played the same minutes.
No one considers Darko to be a great center. Still its a waste to
draft a big man. He won't be any better than Fes and he will take 3 - 5 years
to develop. The Jazz need players who can contribute next year.Jimmer will be gone by 12 unless he falls apart during team workouts.
When determining whether a college player has the possibility of becoming an NBA
superstar, you can't look at the "surface" or some of his individual
college games. You must look deeper at that individual himself. What makes him
who he is? How did he get where he is? Is he driven?Jimmer is
boiling over with an undercurrent of things that count in becoming a superstar.
None of the other draftees impress me that way. I see some possible all-stars,
but no other superstars.I noticed in the recent playoff games that
Danny Granger is doing quite well for the Pacers, but he wasn't as efficient in
college. Why? Because as a pro he can put ALL of his time and energy into his
craft. You simply can't do that in college.Watch what happens to
Jimmer's abilities when all he has to do is be a gym rat. He'll surprise a lot
of people. He's a self-made basketball player who knows how to improve
himself.There are three things in life that are guaranteed: death,
taxes, and Jimmer one day making his doubters eat crow!
Whatsinitforme..........Being from Orem says it all. No one knows
if Jimmer will be a good NBA player or not until he plays in the NBA. Being a
great college player does not make you an NBA player. Vice versa, being an
average college player doesn't mean you won't be a great NBA player.The question that is being asked here is where should Jimmer be drafted, not
if Jimmer will be the next NBA star. Right now all you can compare Jimmer to
are the other players in this year's draft. Nothing more. So according to you,
he should be drafted #1?
WhatsInItForMe : I hope your right, time will tell.
Where do you draw the line between all star and "super star"? There
are about 25 player each year selected to play in the all star game but of those
who is really a super star? I think we can all agree Kobe, Lebron, and Howard
are super stars and maybe some others too but I don't see Jimmer reaching that
status. Can he be an all star someday? Maybe, but I'm not even sure about that
because he would have to be one of the 25 best players in the pros. Don't get me
wrong as I believe he can be good and I want the Jazz to draft him but like CJ
writes, it is too hard to judge that when the kid has not suited up against the
best players in the world yet. If he becomes that type of player I will be
trilled, especially if he does it wearing a Jazz uniform.
CJ Miles.... being from Orem I at least watched him enough, and read about him
enough from many sources, to at least be able to form a strong opinion on The
Jimmer. Did you?Jimmer's gonna make so many people eat crow!
@CJ Milesyou never said a great center...you only mentioned a
defensive big...lol...you just lost to your own argument...again...i never
mentioned him as a great center...again...i proved you wrong...like the time you
asked for all-star coaches...lol
KOC said he was interested in signing AK and FES. He refused to comment on CJ.
Is there some rule about commenting on players with a team option? Anyway if Fes's agent is reasonable it sounds like he might be back. I think
he is good insurance. AJ is going to work on his vert and lateral
movement. Fes should do like wise plus FTs and a couple of AJs inside moves. Corbin sounded like he wanted more assistant coaches to develop players.
KOC supported him to some extent (no blank check)by indicating Corbin could add
more coaches in the past. To bad the Jazz can't know what AK is
doing before the draft. That would help a lot. There is no need to draft an AK
clone if he is going to be here for 4 years (that is what AK implied for a new
contract). I think there is talent in this draft. It is just not
obvious talent. Some of the obvious talent have dropped out. But there are young
players who will develop into stars and super stars in this draft.
We need defense and rebounding, who can give us that? Favors gives us
improvement in that area but I worry that Paul will balk at coming off the
bench. Favors needs as many minutes as he can get. We need to look at
trading Milsap and getting a quality 3 that can shoot the 3 and play D.Everyone should read about this Bismack Biyombi, he would give us a great
defensive presence, he is active, high motor, athletic, rebounder, shot blocker,
7'7 wing span, disrupts other teams offenses, he is just what we need. His wing
span makes him like he is a 7 footer or 7'1 or more and he's very active. Tomic
doesn't give us what he would give us. Again we need Defense and Rebounding
& shot blocking.
There was a time when Millsap was a rebounding machine. What happened?Could be he's settled in and isn't trying to improve anymore. Just happy with
his own status quo. Maybe the thought of Favors taking his starting spot will
get him back to his old self.I'd also like to see him shoot the trey
more often, especially when he's left open. Sure, he was hot a few times,
meaning a flash in the pan thing. But, he's supposed to be efficient with it in
practice, so there's no reason he can't make it more of his game when it
counts.I keep seeing posters mentioning Biyombi. Sounds like he
might be the 3 the Jazz need. But, I still wouldn't draft him before Jimmer,
unless the Jazz really luck out and both of their draft picks end up in the top
10. (We all know THAT's not going to happen!)A PG, and possible
superstar, is what the Jazz need. Teams without superstars aren't as much fun to
watch. Hope just isn't there. Why play if not for the chance of winning it all?
Biyombi doesn't have the skill set to play the 3, he would play mostly the 5,
maybe some 4 but it is his defensive qualities that make him intriguing. We need
help on D and rebounding and he does both very well. His 7'7 wingspan makes him
play like he's a long 7 footer and he is mobile and active to boot.I
wouldn't suggest drafting Biyombi unless the Jazz plan on moving Milsap in a
trade. Milsaps value is at it's highest and we may be able to get what we need
for him, a long athletic 3 that can shoot the 3.
If Biyombi isn't a 3 prospect, then we for sure don't really need him as a first
pick. Maybe the Jazz' second pick.The end of the season showed that
Favors is quite the shot blocker. The Jazz really impressed in their final games
against playoff-bound teams with a lot more shot blocks per game than they were
averaging for the year. So, Biyombi might add to that, but not "solve"
any shortcomings.So, the draft doesn't have an athletic 3 who can
shoot the 3? Too bad.It's going to be interesting to see if the Jazz
make trades, especially ones that work out.
The draft does have a couple of good possibilities at the 3 spot, TJones and
Vesely, both long, athletic, 3's that can shoot. Barnes & PJones were higher
ranked players that could play the 3 but they opted to stay in school, thus
weakening this draft. I agree our first need to fill in this draft is the 3 spot
but defense and rebounding were actually the biggest problems for the Jazz last
year. Biyombi would make an immediate impact in that area and I would trade
Milsap to acquire the 3 we need. I say this with some reservations because Paul
is a very good player and the kind of player every team wants, tough, plays with
heart, energy, hustles, and his skill continue to improve but if he wants to
stay in the starting line, that hurts Favors development and we need Favors to
develop as fast as possible. Again Defense and Rebounding were our weaknesses
and if we could address those problems with Biyombi and get a long, athletic,
good shooting 3 for Paul it would make the team better. We may be able to still
If the Jazz rotate Paul between the 3 and 4 spots with about 15 minutes at each
position, and we resign Kirilenko for 5-7 Million off the bench, the 3 is
actually pretty OK. Remember, Evans is talking about trying to make the
transition to a 3 and CJ and Hayward can both play the 3. If those things fall
into place, we may actually need another big man power forward or Center. I
think the Jazz have some pretty versatile players so they may be able to pick a
PG with their 1st pick and take the best available player with their 2nd pick.
That could end up being a SG, SF, PF, or C position. I don't think
Jimmer will be available at 12 so if the Jazz believe he is as good as I think
he could be, they will have to take him with their 1st pick if they want him. I
do think he is one of the only players in the draft that can come in and
contribute at a high level right away.He is also a player who could
play the PG or SG position depending on match-ups.
Pick him in the second round where he will get drafted. Jazz normally have done
better with second round players anyway because they are happy they got drafted
by someone. They work harder. This year was an exception to the long term
history of the Jazz!
I simply cannot wait to say I told you so if we pass on him at #12. This kid
could be huge for the Jazz. He's a dang hard worker and getting him at #12 would
be a steal. Leave Walker out of the equation as he is all hype. Jimmer would eat
him a live in all aspects of bball. KOC get him if available at #12. Trade up a
even take him at #10. We should get a decent pick before him at #6 or higher.You have no idea the weapons this kid has and can bring to the table. He
will cause huge mismatches 30 ft and beyond. He will spread the offense and is a
CONSTANT threat from deep. Oh, don't EVER compare him to Korver (who
I did like). He isn't even in the same league as JF. Jazz get him at #12 no
Anti Bush-Obama--vomit away brother. Adam Morrison? Really? That's your best
shot? Unbelievable. Such ignorance to make such a horrible comment. Do you know
anything about Adam? His character? His diagnosis? Do you know how much that
hinders a person (DM type I) and getting banged around in the NBA. Please,
please go hid yourself in shame for making such a comment about Adam. If he
doesn't have his dx (diagnosis) on his shoulder/serious health concerns there is
no telling what he could have done in the NBA. That comment was completely
unwarranted and callous at best. Then again "anti" fits you well.
Shame on you. DN please allow this post to go through as I could have been a lot
more harsh but "anti" needs to be seriously called out on this one.
At least 1/2 of you are way off regarding JF. It's intuitively obvious that a
lot of you have never watched him play a lick of bball. I didn't miss a home
game and caught several on the road; down low every game to boot. I am sooo sick
and tired of people saying this kid is not quick, can't play defense, is too
small, etc. Please clue in on this..His bball IQ is unreal.If JF played hardcore
D he would have had nothing left in the tank; think about it. Emory picked that
up just fine. Fredette is a underrated passer and play-maker. The kid can create
at will and you CAN'T stop his unique/unorthodox movements-ask any college team
or coach. He is going to be a good NBA baller if healthy. He would b a fabulous
pick at #12 and poss #6. Listen folks the draft was weak to begin with and it's
getting weaker by the day. I don't want another Euro big to have him flop; I
will take what we have for height. To you all haters-sad, very sad.
@amgolferalright...im jumping in the jimmer bandwagon....to be
honest...i'd want us to get him...why?...he'll replace ronnie price...and you
made a great argument...i mean...every player out of college has something he
needs to improve on...and with hardwork...and i think jimmer has that...he'd
improve...plus Hayward is in the team...he's sort of the all-around nice
guy...im sure he'll give jimmer some pointers on staying in front of his
man...think about it...Hayward and Jimmer....out working each other...it could
be sort of a virus and spread...and everyone on the team...would work their tail
off...and that's all they needed...no superstar on the team...everyone are
equals...work together...play together win together...that will win us
games...not superstars...but team work and high level of play...draft him at
6...there isnt anyone else anyway...plus we might have a shot at terrence at the
Listen, I am not trying to say that JF is going to be the next Kobe--at all. I
am saying he has the potential to be a good NBA basketball player. His pure
talent at shooting, creating, bball IQ, toughness, great FT shooter, serious
heart (what CJ lacks), and humility makes him an awesome candidate to join the
Jazz. Many people will come and watch him play. If you have never seen him live
(most haven't) it's a whole different experience--mark my words. If JF flops
come after me and I will eat crow--a lot of bballers are risks in the draft. The
list is a 5 miles long and you ALL know that. Oh, how many of you
remember him from last year? Probably, not many as he didn't make the headlines
like this year. Remember, that he had an amazing year while playing most of his
games sick. Mononucleosis? Remember? Lost a ton of weight. Have any of you ever
had the dx? It stinks to high heaven and most aren't tough enough to play w/ it.
He did and still tore it up. Think about it....heart.
Oh, many have mentioned Kanter as a GREAT pick-up. I agree with everyone when
they say he is the real deal and has a lot of talent. No doubt or argument
there.However, aren't many of you a little concerned about his
health? I don't think he is a freak like Blair (spurs). I have read several
reports that his knees are a concern. See this is why I don't think Bynum will
play a full career (not a lone on that thought process) and I will bet you
anything that the Laker organization are all a little nervous about his future
with them. We don't need another injury prone big man. We have been plagued
enough. I understand that is a part of the game but it's a huge risk already
knowing he has bum knees at the ripe old of age of what 19??. I love his talent
but I'm just not sure it's worth it. Just a thought.
Kanter is talented and very skilled but he is 6'10 and only an average athlete,
his knees are a concern and he doesn't give us what we need. In a big we need a
defensive stopper, rebounder, shotblocker. Everyone should read about the
Biyombo kid, he sounds very interesting and exactly what we need, he has a 7'7
wing span, that is hugh and that makes him like a 7' or 7'1 player with long
arms, he has a chiseled body,he is mobile, great motor, nonstop aggressive,
leads the top league in Europe in blockshots and near the top in rebounds in
like 17 minutes per game. We need to think about drafting him and trading Milsap
to get the long, athletic 3 that can shoot that we need.I like the idea of
drafting Jimmer, I think he will be much better than many think he will be. I
like TJones and Vesely, but Vesely only averaging less than 11 points per game
bothers me alittle. The draft can't get here soon enough for me.
Captain, Jones maybe. I'm not sold on the Vesely at all. I know you have
mentioned him several times but not seeing it. The "chiseled" guy from
Europe I know nothing about. Why is he only getting 17 min?? Is there more than
meets the old eye on this one?? More info would be great.I'm not
sure what to think about Sap and his role. It will be interesting. Many feel he
can give us 12-15 at #3. Many don't see it. It's definitely mixed. I wish he had
better lateral movement and quickness on D as I truly feel he could play #3 in
certain situations. That would be huge. His range is getting better every year
as well. One thing I know is the draft is weak and getting weaker. I
don't see us getting Irving, etc. So who will be left? I still feel we need a
shooter and a True Center to bang with the big teams in the league. AJ is NOT
the answer as he gets eaten alive night in and night out by bigger C. His D
needs to improve as well. Get JF:)
I just watched Vesely in a championship game for his team and he did OK but not
that great,8 points on 4 of 6 shooting, I'm not as convinced now that he would
be a good pick, he is long, athletic, 6'11 3 man, very good hops, can shoot from
3 but he's not aggressive enough on the offensive end.I'd like to learn
more about Biyombo, you can read about him on some of the mock draft sites, I
like it when I read a player has a high motor and is very aggressive, Biyombo
sounds like he is that kind of a player. The Jazz need to improve on D &
rebounding and Biyombo would do that. 7'7" wingspan is very long and then
he is very active, mobile and aggressive. Like I said read about him.
Don't expect alot out of Memo. Recovering from an achilles rupture/repair to
play at this level isn't likely to happen.Biyambo looks terrific--quick,
long, athletic, aggressive, plays with alot of heart--wow!
Get Jimmer, then trade him for Wesley Mathews! That dude is a stud! But, the
jazz should trade Memo for the #1 pick then get Derick Williams, then we will
have D-Will II. Then draft Jimmer, trade him for Wesley Mathews, then get Tai
@TRUEBLUEFANno one would trade the number 1 pick for Memo...that's
ridiculous...and with how Wesley is playing..i dont think portland would trade
him...i say...trade Harris for Hinrich and a draft pick....grabe a SF and a
combo guard at the draft...
@Captain Li read about rookies every year for the past 12
years...before each draft...but i tell you...its better to have film and watch
them...reading is something you get from another perosn's perspective...i'd
rather watch 3-5 vids...and watch him at the workouts...you'd be able to get to
rate him much better...he just had a great game...anyone can have one...im not
sold with biyombo right now...but i will search for some films and watch...i
have to watch him rotate without the ball on offense...and on D...usually when i
watch a game...i focus on just one player...and watch him move...like when im
studying for post moves to improve my game...i'd watch Al Jeff...Boozer(he is
good getting into position)...
Kaskashi: That's good and I agree, it would be much better to watch as much film
as possible, as much info as possible is what is best, both film to watch and
scouts who have studied and watched. I'm not saying Biyombo is the player the
Jazz should take, but I think he is worth looking into and see if he is the real
thing. I don't want him to be the center the Sonics drafted several years ago
and he was a bust. I like some of the things I read about Biyombo though, his
hustle, motor, aggressiveness, work ethic etc etc etc. are good qualities to
have. Let me know if you find vids of Biyombo are any of the other possible
picks the Jazz may be considering. Watched some of TJones yesterday and I like
him but they were highlight films mostly. He has a lot of skills and has the
length/height I like for the 3.
Alec Burks... we desperately need athleticism at the 2-guard. No more Euro
giants who are outside shooters... if you're going after size it has to be an
intimidator, someone who blocks shots, rebounds, and that impact guy is not in