Although the subject of this story seems to be a legitimate (and deserving)
recipient the food stamp program is just one of many welfare programs ripe fro
fraud and abuse.Not even requiring a face to face meeting to get
benefits certainly makes fraud inviting, and there are some people who are just
plain lazy or crooks who will grab at "free" stuff instead of working.
Why are we making it so easy for them to subsist off hard working taxpayers,
and diminishing the aid available for the truly needy?Perhaps a
large part of the increase is from illegals who have flocked here due to our
near "sanctuary state" status with lax enforcement of immigration
laws?Shockingly, one state bureaucrat said "I can't stress it
enough: it's not a welfare program; it's a nutrition program." Hogwash! That is a bogus as saying "putting crooks in jail is a housing
program." Food stamps are absolutely a welfare program, and there should
be shame (as well as gratitude) attached to demanding that fellow citizens
support anyone. And, public programs should be utilized only after the
recipients have exhausted the resources of family, friends, and religious
Food stamps are often sold on the streets for pennies on the dollar to get money
to buy meth and crack! Another wonderful government program to solve
Whaddops says get a job. Herbert, Whaddops, Herbert, Bramble and Shurtleff want
amnesty. How out of touch are our leaders? Ending unemployment and the promise
of amnesty is just going to drive the foodstamp usage through the roof.
So far no comments on the story itself just the usual stereotypes. I am glad
that foodstamps are available to help the 200,000 plus in this state who need
them. I feel no need to belittle or criticize the recipients or our economic
There are way too many horror stories regarding food stamps. I have been
approached in a public elevator and asked if I wanted to buy some food stamps.
Why do we put up with this suff? I know that there are plenty of families out
there who need food, but why do we make the citizens of this great country pay
and pay and pay for those who do not want to work. I feel for those who are
suffering and have myself gone to the store and bought food for a family that I
knew that needed help.I believe that if people want food stamps and
welfare need to pass a drug test the same as I do where I work.
@ Mountanman, there are no more food stamps, they use a prepaid debit card. You
need to update your story.
While I realize that any program like this will have problems with fraud, I, for
one, am willing to take that risk if it involves keeping children fed. A child
who is hungry cannot learn. Think Maslow's Hierarchy. There were times growing
up when we went hungry because my parents would not accept food stamps or even
church welfare. Those times make my tear up just remembering. Children do not
get to choose their parents or circumstances.
Why must a person feel shame asking for help? If the person has no scrupples
they aren't going to feel shame. It is considered noble to donate
and be charitable? If it is a good thing to give why must someone feel ashamed
to receive? Clients become donors and donors become clients. The
current government food program is supplimental. It is not expected to meet the
entire dietary needs of a person for an entire month. And it is a nutrition
program in that you are restricted from buying unhealthy items with the SNAP
card. For instance plain cheerios and not honey nut. You also can't buy the
large juice bottle because the family size and cheaper by the ounce one has too
much sugar in it. You can't buy personal items like cleaning supplies. What
would you do if was eat or buy deoderant or laundry soap?
CHS 85 is right. The food stamp program keeps children fed, plain and simple.
For those of you who do not understand how the program works, it is for FOOD
only. Recipients cannot get non-food items, cigarettes or alcohol on the food
stamp program.Some of you posters have obviously never been in dire
straights. I think you would do well to remember "There but for the grace
of God go I."
The comments on this story are proof yet again of the "Christianness"
of our values. We are so afraid someone might steal our money we sell our souls
to protect it. We would rather see thousands of innocents starve than allow one
thief a dime.I'm sure there is scriptural support for such an
attitude, but I can't seem to remember the reference - all the scriptures I
remember focus on compassion and "the least of these" and the hardship
the wealthy will face getting to heaven, and the danger of words of faith not
being supported with works...Maybe one of the first posters know the
reference, afterall, on other threads they have proclaimed their
I know this is going to sound cruel, but probably no more cruel than some other
statements here and certainly no more cruel than some things that have come from
the lips of our "leaders."I sincerely hope that all those
who have posted notes denigrating people who need help, and Sen. Waddoups and
others like him, will someday find themselves in the position of needing help
for themselves and their families.It wouldn't hurt any of them to be
forced to walk in the moccasins of another for awhile.They just
might learn something that seems totally foreign to them -- Compassion.
I remember standing in a grocery store line with my meager amount of generic
food that I would survive upon while attending College while a lady in front of
me had a grocery cart full of steaks, roasts, Twinkies, and Diet Coke. She then
proceeded to pay for all the meats and junk food with food stamps. Food
stamps should pay for the staples such as bread, vegetables, hamburger, milk,
cheese, flour, eggs, rice, beans and sugar. The program is too often abused.
@ RRB, What is the title of the article here? Food stamp program, not food debt
cards. Anyway what difference does that make?Welfare=dependancy=different
kind of slavery. Welfare including food stamps only creates more poverty. Why
should I work if I don't have to? Here's not an original idea: You need food
stamps? Fine, report for janatorial work to any government building to work for
your assistance. Report to the highway dept for road side cleanup work. Restore
the dignity of the human being needing help with self reliance and watch the
number of people needing welfare plummet!
@Mounta(i)nman"poverty" is real. Maybe it isn't real in
Hayden, Idaho, but millions of fellow Americans - black, white, asian, hispanic,
etc. are all affected. In big cities and small hamlets, children are going to
bed hungry, they are going to school with their stomachs grumbling. Whatever
the reason, whether due to substance abuse, lack of education, or simply bad
luck, the poor are among us and it is our responsibility as human beings to care
for each other. A hungry person will not become a productive citizen until that
most basic need is met.
I don't understand why people get to irate that people want to fix a broken
problem but still want to give to those that need it. There is a huge problem
with food stamps. Maybe you don't know anyone that is taking food stamps because
they keep it private but I have found out several that are in larger homes than
myself, go on great vacations, etc. They have found loop holes to receive it. I
think you would be very surprised at how many that don't need the help but are
taking it. I have been in the position where my husband didn't have work with
lots of small kids and know how important food stamps can be.But our country is
broke and we need to fix problems when we see it. That is not saying take away
the food stamps.
Agreed that many need help, but lets help those who REALLY need the help. Let's
do drug tests on those who get welfare (any type) and if they do not pass it,
then no welfare! Compassion for those who want to abide by rules and laws. Life
is hard, let's not make it too easy for those who are LAZY. If we make it easy
we become a nanny state. We are already about 75% there.
Food stamp use is only going to continue to increase as long as the government
is allowed to continue its war on the middle class. They want us all to be broke
and completely dependent on them for livelihood.
*'Utah 4th in foreclosure rate in 1st quarter' - By Jasen Lee - DSNews -
04/14/11 'SALT LAKE CITY Utah continues to rank among the highest in the
nation for its rate of home defaults and foreclosures.' Previous
reply? *'Hatch proposes drug testing for welfare, unemployment
recipients' - KSL News - 06/16/10 "We should not be giving cash
to people who basically are going to go and blow it on drugs and not take care
of their own children." - Sen. Orrin Hatch The
leadership in Utah draws many questions, when it claims 'superior' moral
values... and then demeans it's own citizens who need the most
help. Am I saying this dosen't happen? No.
Am I saying public assistance is still needed after the 'Financial Meltdown?' Yes! America is JUST starting to crawl out of some of the
worst unemployment of our lifetime. Do you think your local religion
is going to help EVERYONE? This story proves that is not the
case. Take my tax dollars and help those in need, please. The rest can answer for their own cruelty and very much LACK of compassion
when they face judgement.
Thank goodness there is charity. Thank goodness there is also government
assistance. We need both. Charity isn't enough. Before there was both, hunger
was common in America. I saw a documentary on T.V. where Robert Kennedy took a
trip to the south and saw first hand how common child hunger was. This woke much
of America up to the fact that charity isn't enough. Government needs to be a
partner in the fight against hunger. Government needs to be part of the
solution.We can choose to return to the bad old days if we wish. But
if we do, don't suppose yourself immune from bad luck that would cause you to
need help from what ever source. You can approach a charity in such a time and
hope they will be willing to give to you or hope there aren't hundreds of people
in line in front of you. If there is you can go hungry and send watch your
children go hungry too. It used to happen before government stepped in.Now we have food stamps. The choice is ours. What kind of society do we want?
Now see, I'm completely against drug testing of any sort. What you do on your
own time is totally up to you. If you want to blacken your lungs with tobacco,
rot your liver with booze or fry your brain with pot/coke/meth/etc. Then please
go ahead. If you want to clog your arteries with fast food just help yourself.
That makes you one less person that I and my family have to compete with for
food, housing or jobs.Natural selection folks. We need to stop
protecting the idiots and let nature work.
More Illegals = More WelfareBlame the Governor and Senate! They
to DeltaFoxtrot | 10:30 a.m. April 15, 2011West Valley, UTIt's
not the government that's waging war on the middle class. It's the huge
corporations and people like the Koch brothers and other multi-billionaires.They are being aided in their efforts by their Republican servants.
I think food stamps are a wonderful concept that really has the potential to
help people. I just don't think it's too much to ask that while we are giving
the needy this type of assistance we expect something from them in the way of
trying to improve their situation for the long term. What are they
doing while they are on food stamps? Are they furthering their education so that
they won't have to depend on minimum wage jobs in the future? If they are doing
drugs, of course that is an issue. Are they looking for work, or have they
settled in and become complacent? If we ignore the underlying problems of
poverty, we will soon find that we cannot keep up with the demand for short term
solutions like food stamps that have become our response to long term chronic
problems.I have heard from several people something like "I'm a
truck driver, and I got laid off about a year ago." So, a year has gone by
and it hasn't occurred to them to try another profession? Student loans are
pretty easy to get. Can we think outside the box?
@All, one thing that has gone unremarked is that food assistance money has the
best rate of return per dollar of aid. For every 1.00 spent on that program
$1.73 is generated throughout the economy, since I can't post the url check out
what Moody's says on the topic. So not only is it a kindness to those in need,
it produces economic growth. Full disclosure, I had been out of steady work
since the economy cratered. My family got an EBT card for food only and it put
food on the table when my children would have gone hungry otherwise. I've got
steady contract work now and I don't need food assistance and I'm happy to pay
taxes so others can get the help they need when they need it. To head off any
aspersions about my work ethic, I regularly work 70-100 hrs a week and started
working for pay on our farm at age 6.
@Independent"What are they doing while they are on food
stamps?"Most are in elementary school. I know what
you're trying to say, and I don't necessarily disagree with it, but like I said
earlier, if a lazy parent has a Horizon card to buy food for their child, then
I'm willing to let the lazy parent eat, too. I hate to sound cliche, but it
really is about feeding children. My wife is a teacher and can tell you first
hand how hard it is for a hungry child to learn. It is easy to sit
in our ivory towers and cast stones at the less fortunate, call them names, and
degrade them as if they are somehow less important than you or I. Just remember
that we are all imperfect and all face different challenges. We must remain
compassionate to the helpless (children and elderly) in our society. A
society's greatness is determined by how it treats the less fortunate.
I support food stamps with my tax dollars as a temporary helping hand to those
TRULY in need, but not a way of life and a free ride. I think the program needs
to address fraud, waste, and abuse. The income limits and the amount of food
stamps people qualify for are too high. "To be eligible, a family of three
would have to have made less than $1,984 a month"? Unbelieveable and
ridiculous! A family of three shouldn't need food stamps on that income. If they
can't live on that there is something wrong with how they spend their income. As
long as a family has a child under six years old and one parent stays
home....they aren't even required to look for work....yet they can receive food
stamps. That seems like a slap in the face to parents who both work to make ends
@CHS 85.It is because I am concerned for the children that I think
we need to know what their parents are doing while they are on food stamps. I
didn't say we shouldn't give them assistance. I just think we should hold them
accountable for fulfilling their responsibilities as parents, and not make the
assistance the permanent long-term solution.
I keep saying get ready for increased crime ,welfare use ,drugs, teen
pregnancy,and graffito.Illegal immigration will drain this country from
within and needs to be stopped.Georgia had to pass laws to help stop the
abuse by these criminals who have no respect for this country or laws.
@one old man: Big Business owns the govt. Who do you think makes
huge campaign contributions and pays these big time lobbyists? Both
parties are in on this... they've all been bought, all the way up to the highest
level. They may play like they aren't on the same side, but that's just a ruse.
All both parties have done for the past 30 years is find new ways to take our
money away. They are intentionally collapsing our economy so we have to live by
their standards and be completely dependent on them for survival.
Rock and a Hard place...food stamps are right in the middle of these two.The Rock: Too many people who goofed off in school and took easy
plentiful jobs, like a cement truck driver, only to discover that those easily
obtained jobs that are typically over paid are just as easily lost the moment
the economy takes a down turn. They are complaining that they can't afford food
yet they still manage a cell phone, cable TV, booze, cigarettes, etc. and yet
they expect a government HANDOUT...The Hard Place: the children who
suffer because of their parents. As long as their are hungry children involved,
I will support food stamp programs.
SNAP - Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. What is nutritional about
Ramen noodles? Is there guidance about using the SNAP debit cards to buy
nutritional items for kids?