I guess I was wrong. Hayward can do it against the Lakers. Good job rookie.
Favors was very impressive except for his "Fes" like free
throw shooting.I am beginning to think that CJ is tanking the end of
the season so the Jazz don't pick up his option. He was horrible tonight
offensively. He did hold Kobe in check the first half as he didn't have a field
goal at half time.YOu tell me how they beat the Lakers on their home
floor but can't win against anyone else. Ever noticed that when Favors starts,
the Jazz win?
Did Hayward just became the go to guy? Those of you who think Kobe
was just off today should remember that two possesions in the 4th when CJ
guarded Kobe. Kobe made 5 points. Then they put Hayward back on Kobe and Hayward
pretty much shut out the best player in the NBA. Especially in that clutch
situation. Kobe NEVER loses that ballAnd this Hayward to Favors
combo works. Once Favors becomes a great free throw (70-80%) shooter, he'll be
much more effective.
Great game for Gordon Hayward. It looks like he is really starting to develop.
Maybe Kevin O'Connor's luck in the draft is getting better? We can only hope he
can work some magic with the two lottery picks this year.
All the wrong teams lost and Utah goes and wins. This is not good for the lotto
but it is really nice to beat the Lakers. 3-6 and 2-4, 3 point
shooting by Watson and Hayward was just enough outside shooting to keep Utah in
it, in spite of a weak game by AJ. Favors also played well. Fes could have been
useful keeping Bynum off of the boards. The Jazz actually out rebounded LA? Watson deserves a lot of credit for running the team well, scoring and
rebounding. This was a good performance.It looks like there might be
some hope for next year? Maybe Corbin deserves a raise for beating
LA (LOL). Maybe all the whiners will be happy now for a while.
There is a light of hope :)
@CjMilesDon't make that excuse for CJ...matter of fact stop making
excuses for him. Hayward is WAY better than CJ right now as a rookie, yes its
trueHayward has figured out how to play in this offense, not to
mention he plays better D.Good job Jazz, your game today made me
forget about this horrible season for a couple of days......THANK YOU
CJMiles: Glad you admit that Hayward is going to be good, he has a very good set
of skills, he has a toughness about him I like, he shows he has some leadership
qualities, he should just continue to get better. Favors looked pretty
good but has alot of improving still to do, he is very young and should get much
better, the more he plays. I think we saw the future of the Jazz with Hayward to
so Anonigma, are you trying to say that Hayward caused Kobe to lose the ball or
that Kobe just lost the ball? I bet if you asked Kobe, Hayward had nothing to
do with it!!
Couldn't help but to comment. Great job by the young guys especially.
Favors,Hayward,and even Evans at times played good out there.The only problem I
saw this game from the Jazz besides lousy free-throw shooting was that Big Al
took a couple too many shots when he was swarmed by the Laker defense. When Al
gets to the point when he can make better decisions passing out of the post when
he's doubled,it will make the Jazz a better team for obvious reasons. Milsap ,my
favorite Jazz player because he brings it every night had a good game also.
Milsap maybe ought to try playing the 3 position more often.
C.J. MilesYou are right, the rookies have work to do at the line.
That will come. At least Favors has a better stroke than someone like Howard who
shoots the same or worse than Favors after 6 or so years in the league.I think Favors will get to 70-75% before long. Hopefully, like Malone, it will
go even higher.Wow those plays that Hayward and Favors made there at
the end were beautiful. Oh, and awesome Defense!! Tons of blocks,
Way the go Hayward. We knew you had it and you just needed more PT looks like
all of a sudden he has become the go to guy in our team. Gordon to Favors, looks
like this 2 guys will bring the glory days back to town. He has been very vocal
and is leading the team.Let's go Jazz
After such an ugly season . . . a thing of beauty tonight.And
Hayward? Guess he was angry about Butler's performance last night. He was
KOC has made a lot of Utah fans eat their words from the last draft. Good to
see Hayward picking up steam.Beating LA with basically 2 starters
Miles: CJ hardly held Kobe in check. I've never seen Kobe so disinterested in a
game before in that 1st half. Gordon woke him up in the 2nd half by beating him
on both ends of the court, but Hayward still never backed down. I'm not here to
rip you or CJ though, you made great points. They played the Lakers
tough last week before finally getting beat down midway through the 3rd and now
tonight. Yet against the Kings, they looked like they THOUGHT they were the
better team and forgot to show up. I think that shows extremely poor leadership
and poor coaching. Anyone can get up for the NBA champions but why not show that
effort against perceived lesser teams.Enough complaining from me
though, that game was great! All three rookies have got me excited for next
year. If they can't get a legit big center, i'd like to see Jefferson and Favors
start, with Millsap being the go to guy on the 2nd unit. Maybe improve the 1 or
3 in the draft and let Hayward grow as the starting 2. I'm getting excited
already. When's the draft?
Every time Hayward has a good game,this motivates CJ to be better the next game.
Woudn't be surprised to see CJ have a great game next game. Yes,this was
probabably Hayard's best game of his career being that his points were not
padded by garbage minutes. What impressed me just as much about Hayward this
game was his decision making on where to throw the ball if his shot wasn't
there,particularly when he drove to the basket. He did a great job of taking
what the defense gave him and making it count.
@CJ MilesObviously Kobe will never admit it, but Kobe had no where
to go. He can't shoot over Hayward, Hayward's got 2 inches on him. Even the
fade-away didn't work. So I think Kobe tried to go for a lay-up type of thing or
a pass, but that's where he slipped. Bottom line is: Hayward stayed in
front of Kobe and put the hand in his face, that's defense in my book.
C.J. MilesCome on bud, you should have stopped with that first post.
Hayward had everything to do with that, he is a tough defender and makes it hard
to get an open look and he length makes it hell for the person he is
guarding.You just don't make sense. Now the guy defending Kobe had
nothing to do with him turning it over. If that had been C.J. guarding him you
would be here telling everyone how great a defender C.J. is. I don't
get you really. I am trying to understand you. Are you a real Jazz fan or just
when C.J. is doing well? C.J homer?
I thought Corbin did his best job yet with clock management, substitution, and
minutes allotted. He seemed to sense when the game was in danger of slipping
away and either called time out or switched to a more effective lineup. This
was a gem of game management, and I feel renewed hope in the coach too.P.S.: I know the Lakers could have cared less. Still, pulling off a victory
with the bench scraps he had available was impressive.
I was intense about this game as if the Jazz were the 1 seed in the west. I love
the Jazz, and my hatred for L.A. burns hot. Great job on Kobe Gordon. Early on
he blocked Kobe twice and was called for bogus fouls. Gordon will probably get
lit up by Kobe next time they play because that is how Kobe rolls, but awesome
job by Hayward tonight. Hayward penetrated the defense, had a thunderous dunk,
played great d and hit some big shots. He looked more like LeBron hahahaha. It
was one game, I know that, but what a game. Good job Jazz! Let's get some
momentum going into next year!
I agree with Anonigma and CJMiles, Hayward played excellent D on Kobe and stayed
in front of him and contested every shot. Although Hayward didn't make Kobe lose
the ball he definitely made him go to a move he didn't want to where he then
lost the ball. Hayward played extremely well tonight, I loved that play when
Hayward picked his pocket and Kobe went straight to the ref and complained while
Hayward got a lay in on the other end. But the team played well at
the end of the game, cause they shared the ball and Favors has great hands and
passes well so that is promising. I am sad this season is almost over I love
watching these young guys work. AJ just needs to get better at turning into two
7 footers and not shooting, cause that is an option.
CJ spent most of the second half where he belongs.........Next to Corbin.
Rookies played great. I was actually into a jazz game for a change. How come
Fesenko is always sitting out? Jammed thumb. You make 2 million dollars and
can't play with a Jammed thumb? Migraines? Big Toes? Wow!
Good fun game tonight, low score but still fun to watch (2nd half), the Jazz
worked hard on both ends of the floor that is the only reason they won. The
length of the Jazz starters bothered the Lakers just enough for the Jazz to stay
in the game early. At half time it reminded me a little bit of the game last
night zzzzzz Good grind it out win, It was good to see them win with a Al J.
having an off night. Good team win! Good D! Way to clean the glass!Good game rookies, the energy you brought helped the vets.....man-o-man its good to se Kobe whine, but I think they will win it all!
Goooorrrrrdddaaaann! Tonight Hayward showed he has the potential to dominate
even against very good players.Derrick Favors is beginning to remind
me of a young Karl Malone, only with more height and length.Too bad
the Jazz don't get to play the Lakers in this year's playoffs. They look like
they could finally matchup against the Lakers.Tonight's victory
makes me want to think of some "what ifs":What if the Jazz
get 3-4 more terrific young players in this year's and next year's drafts?What if the Jazz's young players quickly develop and reach their
potential?What if Kirilenko re-signs with the Jazz next year for
$5-7 mil.?What if Okur comes back from his injury next year and
regains at least 80-90% of his pre-injury form?What if the Jazz were
able to get under the cap, and Deron Williams chose to re-sign with the Jazz as
a free agent when his contract expired, so he could lead the Jazz's young
players to several championships (if I'm going to dream, I want to dream
big).Finally, what if french fries were good for you??
I am one of the people that did not believe that Hayward did not have a huge
upside. I was wrong on great he is. I think he is going to be the Matt Jr. of
our team. I love his hustle and heart. I am wondering who the Jazz are going to
Draft? I am sure one pick has to be a point guard but what else?
I knew he had it in him...Gordon Hayward will just impress us more...when he
develops....good solid piece for the future....him favors evans and two lotto
Haywood is very good at staying in front of his man. His shooting is improving
as he gets minutes and gets used to the offense. CJ has been up and
down for years. Some games he has played really well against Kobe. The key point
is that the Jazz do not have to rely on CJ to carry them if Millsap can play 3
when he matches up and if Hayward develops in to a consistent offensive threat.
Being able to play AJ, Millsap and Favors together (at least part of
the time) gives the Jazz a lot of flexibility. IF they have AK and if Evans
develops, they have some depth at SF.That means the Jazz can draft
another PF, SF or preferably an SG/PG (Burkes, Jimmer, Knight would be nice).
They can develop a player for a year or more.2 lotto picks are
really going to help this team. AND they should have money to buy a decent
FA.Keep in mind that Corbin beat LA with essentially 6 players. He
lacks a closer at this point. The line ups are very fluid. The team leadership
is a void. This will sort out.
A great team win. This game was a tease for next year. With a training camp
and new draft picks and some changes in the roster, 2012 is looking better. It
is not always talent that wins. It helps. But, playing hard within the team
concept with talent will bring wins. After the Summer, the team can look
forward to next year without all the drama and changes. Go Jazz!
Corbin's record against LA is better than most coaches.
Got this from another article. Phil Jackson giving Hayward props:Phil Jackson, who rarely even acknowledges rookies, gave serious props to
Hayward. Used his full name, pronounced it right and everything. I
wish Gordon Hayward would have stayed in college and helped Butler last night
instead of kicking our butt, Jackson said.
This win takes some of the sting out of a very bad year,Hayward and
Favors!!!,add in a bit of smallsap,Go Jazz,we might just have kept lakers out of
1st seed.Come on Miles,cj tankin it? that performance drops his stock even
more.I`m willing to wait til next year and give Harris,Hayward,Millsap,Jefferson
and Favors a shot as starters...Go Jazz!
Good goin, Gordon. I know that Butler loss hurt...shows you were able to regroup
mentally and go into one of the toughest arenas in pro basketball and show your
stuff well. I got a chuckle out of Kobe's comments that he was real fond of
Gordon as an all-around player and reminded him of Jeff Hornacek, just more
talented. Jeff was a great shooter, set picks well, and tried hard on defense.
Gordon is much taller, longer, a better dribbler, and can block shots too and
rebound well. I think Kobe could have found a better comparison if he thought
about it a while. Anyway, always nice to beat the Lakers. Champagne, anyone?
great pics of celebrities, i understand there might have been some basketball
wow u must tip your hat to that rook, gordo. that was an exciting game, i can
finally say i got my moneys worth for one night. already the cellar dwellers are
going to come out and they are just afraid that if the jazz win then we might
lose a precious spot in the draft, but don't worry, jimmer will still be there
when the jazz are on the clock, and hopefully still there after they are off
too. hehe.if you really want to jinx the jazz by rooting for them
to lose, then u pull out the worlds smallest violin and make excuses, if the
world just did what cellar dwellers wanted. i know i know, they want to protect
that losing record coming into the home stretch, deep down they must like
haywards game but then they can never be happy unless they make themselves
heard, and if you listen to those guys we'll be in the lottery permanently.
First, if we're being honest the Lakers had an off night. That said, it was an
inspired game from the Jazz and congrats goes to coach Corbin for sticking with
the guys on the floor that wanted to win that game.I have been a little
hard on Favors and I still wish he would play with more aggression but I think
he really showed last night that if he works hard he can become a valuable asset
for the Jazz. Hayward was unbelievable! Watson would bring the ball to half
court but Gordon was directing the show last night and had AK like stats (when
AK was in his prime). Great game and a ton of fun to watch. The Lakers got
Here is someone that wants to lead and is not giving up like the majority of the
veterans. The veterans are dogging it. Switch me paychecks and you will see some
Finally something to give me hope for the future of the Jazz. I think they will
be back to the playoffs for sure next season and after that could be really good
if Hayward, Favors, and their two lottery picks this coming draft develop well.
Y'all are reading way too much into ONE game. Lakers are 17-1 against the Jazz
in recent history. This game is the exception that proves the rule. Go
I'm officially jumping on the Hayward bandwagon. Sweet game.
it doesnt change anything the lakers are in the playoffs and the Jazz are not
Good to see some life left in the team.Rooks seem to want it more than the
veterans at this point.
He's been doing a good job on defense and sharing the ball. Now he has the
confidence to take shots and make them. Look out Gordon, they're going to start
guarding you a lot closer now, but that's OK. You'll stretch the floor and open
up the inside game. I also like that Favors kid. These two guys are going to
People,I have a dream that one day this Jazz team will rise up and live up
to its potential to be a champion.I have a dream that one day in the Hills
of Beverly, the Jazz will not act very brotherly towards the Lakers.I have
a dream one day that even the team from Miami, sweltering in the heat of
injustice will be punked by the JazzI have a dream that my little children
living in the state of Utah will be celebrating a Jazz championshipI
have a dream today!!
Don't forget that Hayward was a point guard before he sprouted to 6'9".
Very nice fundamental point guard-like decisions and dishes in crunch time last
night. Along with a pretty good outside game, that makes him very tough to
defend against. Go Gordon!
Great! Maybe management will recognize that we have a 6'8 sg who doesn't need
30 shots to be effective! Hopefully this will keep them from throwing away a
draft pick for a 6'2 who needs 30 shots!
This game was my litmus test for the young guns and I'm more than happy.
Looking forward to next season (that's all we can do now) I'm excited to see
what lineups of Favors(5), Jefferson(4), Evans(3), Hayward(2), and Harris(1) can
do. I hope Milsap(4) is Ok being the Jazz version of Ginobili. Let
Favors, Jefferson, and Milsap share time at the 4/5 spotsLet Evans,
Hayward, and Weaver? share time at the 3/4 spotsLet Harris / Watson share
time at the 1CJ has some value. Trade him for a legit backup 2
(Hayward starts) and I'm looking forward to next year.I'd even take
Jimmer as an off-the-bench fireplug. I'm old enough to remember Vinnie Johnson
for the Detroit Pistons. He was instant offense off the bench, nicknamed 'The
Microwave' (goggle him, you'll understand). If Jimmer can learn to focus on his
defense as well as his offense, that would be sweet!
Regarding Hayward, can't he be eligible for some kind of award for being the
first guy in NBA history to lay down a hard dunk while sporting a farmer tan:)
Oops. I meant Hayward, Evans, and Weaver? sharing the 2/3 spots.
@Jaggie,Jimmer needed to take 30 shots for the Cougars to have a chance.
Imagine how effective he can be when he is surrounded by other NBA players that
can also score and teams won't be able to tripple team him
Maybe...Hope springs eternal...In the hearts of Jazz
fans...It was a long COLD winter...
loved it. I taped the game and watched it until mid night. Also had to watch the
post game. I hope GH turns into another momo G. He is so athletic he would be a
great point forward. Shoot drive pass defend.
CJ Miles gets more free passes than a new convert to the church. 'Sure he took the Deacons out for donuts after church...but he's a convert.'
'CJ is just young and developing his game...he's going to be
great!''I know he swore at the pulpit...but he's a convert.''CJ is just a young kid, he'll get consistent.'If you
haven't developed some level of consistency after 6 years in the league, then
it's highly unlikely you will wake up one day and start putting together a
string of consistent games.Here is your 2012 Utah Jazz:PG: Harris/Watson/B.Knight (Kentucky)SG: Hayward/Bell/J. Crawford
(Hawks)SF: Millsap/Evans/Leonard (SDSU)PF: Favors - backed up by
Millsap, Jefferson & EvansC: Jefferson/Okur/Elson, Fesenko or insert
any other irrelevant 7 footerIt's not great...but at least it's a
Next year should be a good one for the Jazz. I'm not predicting a championship
but they have some good players, some money to spend if something good comes
along and 2 lottery picks to use as they wish. Kirlenko should be gone unless he
wants to even the score by signing for 3-4 mil. Okur could be done although I
would like to see him come back from this season and have a good one next year.
Lose Price pick up a better center with pick, trade or both and see what we can
do with a healthy Harris at point guard.
Did Gordan Hayward really just take the game over against Kobe Bryant at the
stapels center?The Jazz's biggest problem over the past decade is
that they never had a solid 2 guard, I don't think they have that problem
anymore. If at 6'8" Hayward can be our starting 2 and produce like he has
been, the Jazz will be back in the playoffs next year.Favors also
played great, he held his own against 3 of the biggest and talented big men in
the world. I don't think anyone would disagree with me if I said that this guy
has shown glimpses of a future all star. He could be the big shot blocking big
man Jazz fans have been coveting since Mark Eaton retired. I said at
the beginning of the season that the key for Jazz success would be the
progression of CJ and Fess. Well, they didn't progress and now the Jazz have a
losing record. I now think that the key to next year's success will depend on
the progression of Favors and Hayward.
This win is enough to give me hope that something good could develop out of this
team. Good team work at the end of the game was fun to watch. However, I hope all the Jazz fans out there can take this win with a grain of
salt. Bad teams often come from nowhere to get wins over great teams. They did
have a little help by the officials not giving the Lakers the calls they are
used to (the Jazz still had fouls to give at the end of the game). There was
also a little luck involved also. Kobe dropping the ball on the last possession
was just luck for the Jazz.Even so, I am enjoying the ray of
sunshine I was allowed to glimpse last night.
A young team...a couple of great rookies...great draft picks...does anyonw know
when the 7' from Europe will be coming to Utah?...this just might work out.
I loved Haywards Ju Jitsu move on Kobe when he stole the ball. He put an arm in
Kobe's chest to push him away from the ball and gather momentum for himself,
then ran the floor for a layup. Yah, it was a foul that Hayward got away with,
but that was good hard play against Kobe Bryant. That was fun to watch. Gordon
"Grrrasshoppa'" Hayward is smart enough to learn Kobe's little secret
dirty plays and then use them back on him (like trading elbows). That's good.
Wow the naysayers and ship jumpers are now scrambling from their rafts for the
ladders to get back on board the ship. I have maintained since the D-Will trade
that these rookies needed more playing time and hopefully that will continue
these last 4 games. Sloan would never have let these guys play like they have
the past few weeks but that diifference of mentality has been bridged by Corbin
as well but somewhat later than it should have been. The future for
this team lays with Hayward, Favors, Evans, Harris, Jefferson, Milsap and what 2
lottery picks will provide. I still believe Fess can be a good member because of
nightly matchups and his size. Get a good big man coach soon and let him work
with Fess, Favors, Evans and anyone else added this off season especially on
conditioning and all other aspects of NBA basketball. Good luck Jazz and all of
you work hard this off-season because we believe in all of you.
Where are the Sloan haters?I mean when Sloan lost to one of the
worst teams in the NBA (that would be us lately) then he was an awful antiquated
coach.So where is the criticism of what an awful coach Phil Jackson
is since he lost to a team that just lost to the Kings and the Wizards on their
own home court?Where is all the criticism of the awful triangle?
What about their horrible defensive philosphy not being able to stop a lowly
rookie on their own home court?Sloan was repeatedly called an
outdated coach when these anomalies happened to him.Guess it pretty
much exposes the duplicitous double-talk bias coming from you NBA coaching
wannabe's who think you know everything but clearly don't.Phil
Jackson is a good coach but the same thing just happened to him that happened to
Sloan.Jackson lost a game on his home court, to a couple of rookies,
a mash-unit of a roster, with only two remaining starters, in a crucial playoff
run for for the Lakers to get home court advantage.Phil Jackson is
Where was CJ's 40 points last night? I think the rookie just put a nail in CJ's
coffin. I am not the biggest CJ fan, but I do see that he had the
greatest potential of all the Jazz players. The only thing that CJ lacked was in
his head. He would take shots at the wrong time, would often become a black hole
when the team needed ball movement, and just loaf at ill advised times. If CJ would have just got his head on straight, he would have become Kobe
like. Now it will be Gordon Hayward that will take the spot light and CJ will be
escorted off the stage.
Hayward's play the last month has shown that the Jazz don't have to draft a wing
player in the draft. The wing is still the Jazz's biggest weakness, but I think
Hayward's progression means they can take the best player available instead of
reaching while trying to fill a need.The Jazz also might try and
play Milsap at the 3 next year if they can't get AK back. Yes Milsap will
struggle to guard some of the quicker 3s but those same players will struggle to
defend Milsap in the post. If Milsap can split time at the 3 and 4 he also won't
wear down as quickly throughout the season. I really believe that the Jazz are
going to ask Milsap to drop some weight, work on his perimeter game and get
ready to play at least 10 minutes a night at the 3.
Think about this....In the 2010-2011 time frame, the Jazz will add 4
lottery picks the the roster! That is a serious influx of talent to add to an
NBA team in a very short period of time. If the Jazz can luck our or move up and
get an elite Point Gaurd (Kyrie Irving) and an athletic shooter on the wing,
this team will be very fun to watch next year.
Im sold on hayward now as an important play of the future. Lets pick up CJs
option and use him in a trade this offseason. Ben Gordon could be someone you
can get. I know his stats are awful right now but that probably because hes in
detroit and no one wants to play there. Or corey maggette maybe who can be a
good scorer we could use. I hope we dont re-sign kirilenko hes honestly not
that good. Same with fesenko. I havent been sold in Devin Harris right now as
our point guard, but i say give him a chance next season unless we can get kyrie
irving. next season looks more promising if we make the right choices in the
draft and get someone who can contribute right away, so we should find a way to
get in position to draft derrick williams. Hopefully with this win the jazz can
have more confidence in themselves, finish this year strong and come back next
year ready to show d-will what hes missing
plus hopefully ante tomics comin (Pau gasol 2.0 apparently) to the jazz next
year so he can help our center position
how do you spell defense, gordon=defense.i had to listen to mcchale and
webber talk about the ugly game but i was loving every minute, and by the end,
mchale and webber were more pysched than i was, and the crowd there at staples
were jacked up as well. Why do people think that defensive grind it out ball is
boring when all the other signs indicate otherwise, and jazz fans agree, we like
our blue collar players especially when they have a motor like hayward. One
thing I wasn't worried about hayward was his motor, i saw the predraft workout
and he was the only bluechip talent to participate, and he was
"working" harder than anyone else, so i wasn't worried about his
motor. I didn't realize at the time what a nice frame he had, but I did notice
he had good lateral movement which came in handy last night. Hayward led
against the lakers last night, surprise attack-fair enough, but it ain't ever
easy to ambush the champs, 17 straight losses=history.MchaleandWebb, they
didn't want to say anything,but it was obvious that they were gushing over
I love all the Kobe rippin'. He reads blogs to get psyched up. This will
likely put him in the right mood to lead the Lakers to their 2nd 3-peat in
recent memory. We'll worry about playing the Jazz in the playoffs....when?Go Lakers!
wow we accually pick the right guy in the draft and go get a shot blocker and a
few games later we accually look as though we have a promising future to be a
contender the two things i have bashed koc over for the last 10 years...now
future contender pieces look like they are taking shape no longer a pretender
foundation like when we had cj and okur williams and boozer... obviously this
will take time and there is much much work to be done.. like the two lottery
picks.. I just hope koc doesnt blow those.. Its so amusing to me to see all the
comments.. first about how we should have kept wesley mathews (but only after
the season was well underway) while last summer i was the only person on here
saying keep mathews... and now all the hayword comments.. lol although there
were a few ppl besides me saying to give him time bc he is only 20 years old and
doesnt even get much playing time.. about 75 percent seemed to bag on him when
they should have been bagging on about half of the other players..
Heyward is the reason the Jazz should PASS on Jimmer and Kimba Walker. The Jazz
need well-rounded players in the draft. Not niche players.
Veracity: Ante Tomic is playing for Real Madrid. I think has a year left
on his contract. Favors and Hayward can replace CJ and Fez any day in my
I liked how Hayward played the last few games, he was the leader very vocal and
I liked when he went to Favors and provide some confidence on the FT I don't
blame him he is only 19. I had this crazy idea, we should try to make a run for
Gilbert Arenas we can pack CJ and Fess or something. He is a PG who can shoot
the ball plays defense can lead the team has play offs experience and is a
veteran. Arenas,Hayward,Millsap/AK,Favors,AJ. Let's make it happen KOC.Go Jazz
This is not good for the lottery. Hayward is still a mystery. However, it is
obvious that Favors is the real deal. Their point guard has a "pulled
hamstring" which I hope is not in his head. You could move Jefferson and
Millsap to forward with the bringing in of Tomic and a strong possibility of
Kanter who is a beast. They also have a shot at Brandon Knight. The problem is
that they need to sign some "Little Sisters of the Poor" to 10 day
contracts to ensure that they do not win the rest of the season.
I love the jimmer But not! in the lottery.. are you kidding me.. we already have
a launcher in c.j. We could pick up Eric devendorf from syracuse currently in
europe who had the big east tournament scoring record untill k. walker went nuts
this year who's in europe and he would be a better nba player then jimmer ...
@tampicojazzfan You are hilarious.Skip the fact that
Agent 0 would never want to come here, but I don't think many Jazz fans would
want him. He is a thug, always hurt, and a cancer for any team. That would be a
I can't believe I just read someone suggest we get the awful player that is
Gilbert Arenas. His contract is a nightmare!!!! Almost $18 million! And he is
awful. Have you seen him play this year?I hope that was a joke. Has
to be...has to be.
GIVE ME THE BIG LINE UP! C- Big AlPF-FavorsSF-MilsapSG-CJPG-Harris/WatsonThis starting line up gives me hope.
Air Gordon gives me hope too. This team might go under the radar and shock some
people next season. 2011 draft will go down in history for this team, one
way or the other. There is a lot of talent in this draft class, I hope we get it
I love Jazz fans. It was just a few weeks ago that everyone was singing CJ's
praises and shouting at KOC for not finding a shooting guard for the team.Fast forward two weeks and CJ is a bum and Hayward is the second coming
of Kobe and the shooting guard problems of the Jazz.CJ is not being
traded anywhere. The Jazz need him to be successful.You all forget
he was hurt last night and went to the locker room for over a quarter. Why
Jerry Jr. had him guarding Kobe down the stretch with a bum leg is beyond my
reasoning?I would like to see the Jazz use CJ more as slasher and
cutter and not so much as a set shooter where he fails miserably. Again that is
bad coaching by Jerry and Jerry Jr for not using CJ's strong points and giving
him the ball where he is most likely to fail.
This draft is bad for us bc there is no value at the number 6 pick bc the 6th
thru 11 are all the same but someone could slip. lets say perry jones ok good
project and i mean project he is like a high schooler but dang he is oooozing
potential at 6'10 and unstopable with height/skill if he wants to work usually
you get those guys at the 8-16 spot (josh smith 17th)..so we might go there on
massive upside even though he will take time the but there are negatives with
him but hes to young to know yet..we need to get lucky and jump to top 3 imo
espes with koc making the pick.. we need another no brainer ala dwill, like
kyrie irving .. so when that doesnt happen and we are at 6 then you assume we
get the choice that would come down to burks and jones and some would say b.
knight? right now im leaning twards burks..but that could change after pre draft
and camps and if sombody else slips burks sg for us can handle shoot penatrate
get fouled pass reb.. what else uwant
Must I remind everyone that Kevin drafted this guy. Oh and he was smart enough
to get Favors as well. Cannot have it both ways people. Guess the guy knows what
he is doing after all.
Dude get over CJ . I mean you just have to accept the fact that this is who he
is. Sorry to tell you but his best value will be coming off the bench. Ride his
good nights let him sit the rest of the time.
I hope I am eating my words with my thinking Hayward was a bad pick. I keep
hoping I was very wrong.
LOL @ Eric devendorf A guy who couldnt make an NBA roster, and you
want him in the Jazz? yeah ok lets stock pile on the no name talents and hope
for the best, while he takes minutes away from the young guys who ARE the future
of this team....GREAT LOGICDepending on where the Jazz draft with
there 12th or 13th pick, name a player in recent drafts in that position have
been an all star.......Whoever we get at 12 or 13 is going to be
like other 12 and 13th picks a role player that was either BPA or a player that
fits the team's need's.What we need with our 2nd pick is a back up
PG (Jimmer, Kemba, or Nolan Smith) will likely be the best available players
left which will fill a TEAM NEED.With our first pick it has to be a
SF that the Jazz need to address, We can not come away from this draft without
drafting a SF to take over for AK if he doesn't come to the Jazz.Sapp playing the 3 is not the answer, he needs to be our 6th man
Great win, even if most of the game was painful to watch. Hopefully, GH is
coming into his own, and last night wasn't a flash in the pan.The
frontcourt is set next year with AJ, Sap, Favors, Okur and possibly Tomic and/or
Fes if resigned. Next year 8 players are under contract, with an
option of $3.7M for CJ. Jazz will probably only carry 13. It doesn't leave a
lot of room to draft 3 players.I say re-sign Watson for $1M and AK
if cheap. Look hard at Scottie Reynolds (6'3" 2010 All
American from Villanova who was first AA not to be drafted) and Sherron Collins
(6' 2009 and 2010 All American- who was drafted and scored 30pts in last summer
league game last year, but cut when team (Bobcats?) had to reduce players for
trade). This guy (cost $500k vs $4m) would be heir apparent at PG if Harris
doesn't pan out, and either is just as good as PGs in this draft. Package draft picks and/or players (Price, CJ, etc) to get high pick for SF,
or obtain worthy veteran SG/SF.
Gazelle: YOu are totally wrong. Since CJ has been starting, the Jazz are not
10 points behind after the first quarter. CJ is a starter who helps get the
Jazz going early. You don't bring a player off the bench that is helping your
team start faster. Until the CJ became a starter the Jazz were bad out of the
gate.The part that you are right is he should be benched if he is
playing bad or jacking up bad shots. Or being lazy and not playing defense. I
have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is Jerry
Re Miles: You know I was/am a Raja fan. His shot never came back. Sad really. I
think the Jazz took a gamble on that and maybe let him stay in there a bit too
long. Mixed with other things that happened I think those were the reasons for
the slow starts not so much CJ being the solution. Believe me I am
cheering him when he is playing well. But I still think he is a bench guy. Most
times I am wishing he was riding somebody elses bench I have to admit. And that
has nothing to do with talent. Its a mental thing for CJ. He does not understood
his role. CJ should have went to college to learn how to play with other people.
In my opinion the best thing CJ Miles can do is accept the fact that
he is NOT going to be the next Kobe Bryant or Jordan. Nothing wrong with just
being another good player. He needs to stop forcing it and just be CJ , Whoever that is....
If Kirilenko were a leader and not just Masha's boy toy, he would be the
grizzled player to help them out of this mess.
Watch CJ is going to have a break out game. He always seems to play extra
motivated after Hayward plays well and gets some press. With CJ it
is a motivation issue. Notice how he played out of this world when he was first
given the starting position. Now a few months later and garbage time where the
games don't matter much he barely shows up.I say package him and
first round pick to move up a few spots. Maybe will get lucky and that could
get us a Barnes or Williams.
I like it when the Jazz win but I love it when the Lakers lose! The only better
game this NBA season was when the Lakers lost to the Cavs. That was hilarious!
@CJ Milesagain you never miss to make me laugh...i taped the game
and watched it...i think it was the third quarter...CJ jacked up a moving
three...who do he think he is...Ray Allen?...that's poor shot selection...his
feet wasnt set when he took the shot...but im going to try to see it in your
shoes...CJ can be a scorer...but anyone can score...you can have 5 guys score 15
and win the game...the difference between CJ and Hayward...when Hayward took
over the 4th quarter last night...it was like he was still playing for
butler...he became the catalyst...every possession started from him...and its
not that he would score all on his own...he created opportunities for
others...his court vision is good...and even though he has a shot...and if he
sees someone who has a better look...he passes it...4th quarter...dish to Earl
Watson for the 3...that's a ball player right there...although Hayward still has
lots to learn...but if you had given him 6 years to develop...it would be
@ coconutzz im not saying to pick up Eric devendorf what im doing is comparing
a non drafted player with one you say we should take 12th along with nolan smith
at 12 lol wow on the smith suggestion .. once again ill say that the easiest
postion in the nba to aquire is point guard so dont wast picks on them too
high...back to eric devendorf and jimmer they are the exact same player both hit
three's both take it to the rack with much success despite their heights 6'3 and
skin color both white .. both are not true points and both are too small and
lack defensive prowis to be a prototypical sg... Although If devendorf got a
chance in the nba he would be just as good as jimmer but he will never get that
chance bc the nba doesnt like thugs with criminal history unless they have
The Jazz have the following players back or most likely back next year.AJ(14 Mill), Millsap(8), Harris(9), Favors(4), Hayward(2), Bell(3), Okur(11).
CJ(4)team option, Evans(1) non-guaranteed, Watson(1) probably renewed, Fes(1)?
AK(?)?.There was supposed to be a deal to trade Bell to MN for maybe
Flynn or ?. Okur may be better or could get traded depending on the CBA. CJ is
probably renewed. Watson is a steal. Fes is worth 1 Mill.Most
pundits have AK running to NJ but time will tell. Add in 2 lotto
picks and that is 14 players. I suspect there will more change. KOC
is quietly building a decent team and should continue getting talent. He has a
model of trading high priced stars for young players with potential and picks.
That model can keep Utah in the playoffs without matching LA's salary. He can
also dumpster dive for Mathews types.The Jazz are no longer afraid
of change and talent. They will win when they get enough players (at
least 8 with high win scores). That is starting to happen as
AJ/Millsap/Favors/Hayward improve. Harris/AK are decent.
Al Jeff needs to bulk up...have muscles...he needs to get nasty on D...if he
really wants to get into the playoffs...he better learn how to play
D...Evans...was getting overpowered by Odom on some plays...he really needs to
bulk up...i hope it wont affect his spring like hops...Hayward...well...the game
last night...is what i envisioned him doing for the Jazz...he still has lots of
things to work on...Favors was a surprise...he is very quick for his
size...moves well without the ball...Al Jef should tutor him some post
moves...and work on his free throws...He should be the starter and he'd be a
perenial all-star...Millsap...i really think he should be a sixth starter...and
hope that we could get...either Jan Vesely or Perry Jones in the draft...both of
them are 6'11 and plays the 3 spot...think about the matchups they would
have...watson should be kept...and be the team's permanent back up PG...
If thats true that bell could be traded for flynn im all for it .. Flynn has top
flight athletic ability at the pg spot and will be a starter in this league
sooner then later ... so with devin harris injury history i would love to get a
flynn to develop behind him and potentially replace him..
@Jaggie--Come on buddy and do your homework; your post was ignorant at best. If
Jimmer doesn't put up 20-30 shots the Y isn't ever NIT worthy. Give me a break.
Jimmer, IMHO, would be a great pick up as his instant offense. Very underrated
passer and his court IQ is amazing. Watched every home game live and feel my
observation and assessment is accurate. Take a time out and watch tape. The kid
is a stud.@lench (starting line-up)C-Jefferson, Fess,
draft/trade(a must)PF: AJ, Favors, Sap(at times), AK (discount)SF:
Sap (develop), AK, Evans, Draft-I would take LeonardSG: Hayward, CJ, Draft
(Burks, Jimmer), Bell unless we can trade him:)PG: Harris (not sold as our
future PG unless he can start acting a "true" PG), Watson, Draft--I
like Knight but would take Irving ahead of him (wishful thinking I know),
Jimmer(could play #1 or #2 here) I don't like K. Walker--not sold on him.Captain L had some nice pics as well. Not sold on Kantu as his knees
scare me--don't need anymore injuries. Go Jazz.
@PalmG --Tomis is no Pau Gasol--trust me. He has upside but most have heard
nothing about him this year. I heard a lot about him last year (2009) but not a
lot in 2010. He needs to put on weight and develop more. But please understand
this, he's not Pau or anywhere in the same league right now....
Flynn is not doing well in the Triangle in MN. Maybe you know a reason why he
would do well in the Jazz system? He appears to be a smaller maybe
less skilled cheap version of Harris. Do the Jazz need a shooting
big PG of the DWill mold? Is Corbin going to build the offense
around the poorer FG shooting Harris type PG?
@Bugoff--I hope Corbin doesn't build anything around Harris. I just don't think
he is our future. I have commented several times to your post about his ranking.
He is NOT a top 10 PG in the NBA as you have eluded to several times in past
posts. I could think of 10-15 PG in the league I would take over him and this
doesn't include a few in the draft. I will give him a chance but he nowhere
close to our last all-star PG. DWill is playing hurt but dishing out some
serious/sick assists. Harris is not the man long-term....
@amgolferI think that the Jazz have a good chance of moving up in
the draft and could maybe get Irving. It would depend on who gets the #1 pick
but in 2005 we gave a 6th pick, 27th pick, and the following year's first round
pick to move up to #3. Given that history, I think if we gave our
6th pick, 12th pick, and 2012's first round pick we could get to #1 and get
Irving. But it would depend on who got the number one. I just don't
see much worth getting at the 6th spot or the 12th, as far as what we need. I
think it would be worth it if we could get Irving. We would then have a
franchise PG and we would only need a couple more pieces to make a title
contender. It will come down to what KOC and coach see when they
bring them in to workout though. They obviously saw something in Hayward and
were right about him.
Bugoff I would take 1. Rose, 2. Westbrook, 3. DWill, 4. Rondo, 5. CP3, 6.
Felton, 7. Parker, 8. Lowry, 9. Nash, 10. Wall, 11. Conley 12. Augustine, 13.
Holiday. I would also take Irving (in a heartbeat) or Knight over Harris right
now--especially Irving. It may be stretch with Conley/Augustine/Holiday but they
are all younger and will be better than Harris if they remain healthy. I left
off a few other such as Kidd, Billops b/c of age,etc. I like Felton
but not sure Denver will give him up. They like Lawson but he's not better than
Felton and they know it.
@Indy05--it would be bliss. We need a future #1. Irving, I believe, is the real
deal. I wish he was a sophomore but oh well. He has so much talent and therefore
is NBA ready. I had my doubts about Hayward but after the last few
games he has come into his own. There is no way that Kobe, Durant or Jackson
make those comments unless this kid is for real... I am starting to like our
future. We now need to look for our future PG and I still think we need a true
#5. Jefferson is not the answer when we need to go big against Dallas, OK,
Chicago, LA, etc....I lived in Peoria for a short time...that was
Kakashi......There have been multiple games this year when the Jazz were down
big that CJ went a a scoring bing and got them back in the game. No one else,
except Millsap, has done that for the Jazz. CJ can carry the team on his back
when he is knocking them down.Now the downside is he can shoot you
out of a game too..........
I think Jimmer would be worth the gamble. You don't become the most famous
college player of the year by being awful. He must be doing something right for
the coach to revolve defense and offense around him. I haven't seen
him play that much, but this year's draft is just not good. The CBA will force
out a lot of prospects. I'm VERY excited for Golden State's draft
pick next year. If the CBA keeps out players this year, imagine how many
prospects will be in next year. We're probably going to go from the weakest
draft in years to the strongest.
@AmgolferI am willing to give Harris time to learn the system and
the players but my big worries are his poor FG percentage (He is not efficient)
and he is not built to bulldoze thru picks. Efficiency and the
ability to set and run thru picks are a necessities in the system unless Corbin
is going to replace much of the system. The Jazz also need a PG who
can hit a high percentage of 3s or the paint will pack as the clock runs down.
The other thing is his salary of 8-9 million. A lotto pick PG would
be cheaper and maybe better for a few years. Knight might be okay.
If Jimmer can actually play PG in the NBA he has the build, the Bball IQ and the
shooting. He may be adequate on D if he can move laterally. I think it would
take 2 or more years for Jimmer to develop. I do not see a DWill
replacement in this draft. Irving is only 185 lbs. I suppose he could muscle up.
Jimmer is 195. Knight is only 170. How good is Nolan Smith of Duke? KOC might find a Dleaguer.
@CJ Milesmy point here is...Hayward didnt necessarily scored a lot
to help us win...he facilitated the game...you won't see CJ make plays for
others like Hayward did during that game...im not saying CJ cant
score...Hayward's approach is just better in my opinion...since he gets his
teammates involve...and that's playmaking...
I would like to see the draft work out stats before making to bold of statement
but I strongly suspect that Jimmer is big enough and tough enough to run thru
screens. He got hit hard a lot and scored or passed anyway. I also
think he is very basketball smart. He can run a team. BYU had some talent but
they for the most part were not great and Jimmer either had to score or he had
to milk points out of the rest of the team. I know he is faster and
quicker than most think he is. He can put it into gear when he wants to. Most of
the time he coasted to save energy as he knew he would log 40 minutes. He has a very quick first step. I suspect he can move laterally much better
than most say. The combine stats will tell. I think Jimmer can
develop into a very good PG but it will take at least 2 years. He like Korver
will automatically stretch a defense just by being in the game. I
think Jimmer is a sleeper PG but needs time to develop.
@BugoffGetting another D-Will to pop up in the drafts is just not
real. D-Will is the only one of his kind...top 3. Irving's in the
draft and he's very good, but Harrison Barnes might pull out so that means
Jazz's pick gets worse. Walker and Knight won't cut it at the PG spot. Jazz do
best with a pass first PG.Trading up to get Irving would be ideal,
but Jazz fooled Portland in getting D-Will and remember how mad Portland has
been ever since? Looks like Minnesota will get Irving and they need a PG
bad...so unless something crazy happens...Irving looks like he's out of KOC's
@AnonigmaIt all depends on how the lottery goes. We have
a lot more to give this year to trade up than we did when we got D-Will. We gave
Portland #6, #27, and the next years first round. This year we could give #6,
#12, and we have two first rounders for next year. It depends on how much KOC
thinks Irving is worth. Our best shot for trading up would be if
Washington or Toronto got the number one since they already have solid PGs.
brilliant, trade away all the assets to move up for a 'franchise' pt guard, and
along the way treat harris like he's garbage, ignorance based on bias, i wake up
to whining about dwill?? let's have a big circle and sing kumbaya and
kyrie Irving is to me the only pg worth using a lottery pick on ... as i always
say you just cant use high picks on pg's unless they are just about sure thing
all- stars and its my opinion that kyrie irving is potentially a cris paul.. and
in this draft if we get the lucky ping pong bounce we haaaaave to take him... as
far as Jonny Flynn I doubt its even a legit rumor for bell but I watched flynn
alot in college and now in the nba and although he maybe hasnt blown anyone away
(yet).. lets thing about how many pg's do in their first year or two ..I believe
it was Bugoff who asked isnt he just another devin harris and other than the
fact that they are both exceptionally quick it ends there... flynn is stronger,
more athletic, finishes at the rim with both hands (dunking over bigs) lockdown
defender, clutch,smart player , leader, and very very competitive....just needs
to improve jump shot ..and become more of a distributor. i like his
potential...this would be his rookie year had he stayed at syracuse and he got
hurt this year.
Last year on draft day I called it!! I knew the Jazz would choose Hayward! Way
to go rookie! I knew you had it in you!
@JazzcopFirst, no one is whining about D-will. We are talking about
getting a PG that better fits the system in Utah. Harris is ok but doesn't look
to pass enough which is something a PG should do. His career average is 5
assists a game - not that good. And his other numbers are just ok. We have good players currently and we have assets. I don't think that we are
going to pick up anyone at the 6th or 12th pick that is going to be an all-star.
So why not use those and a pick for next year to get someone that everyone is
saying will be an all-star?Favors, Hayward, Jefferson, and Millsap
all have all-star potential so if we could get one more we would have a solid
Ive got to say with Gordon Hayward now showing us what he probably will be as a
player in this L helps us tremendusly in the upcomming draft... Here's why
...Hayward can be facilitator/distributor/ball handler on offense for 1 we
accually could draft jimmer if hes there at 12 and i guess im okay with that bc
he is a dynamic player with a skillset that is rare and this draft is
weeeaaaak..also we dont have to feel like we haaaave to get a sg now bc G.H.
isnt just a sf he can also play sg...This also would alow us to take a chance on
a player like Perry Jones... so think about that lineup (not saying all starters
lineup but a exciting one).. pg jimmer ,sg Hayward 6'8, Perry Jones
6"11,Favors 6'10, Jefferson...Thats dynamic athletic... height advantages,
shotblockers, defense, shooting, ... the future looks good and thats exactly why
i wanted to trade dwill and have been saying it all year...
@ Indy05 you cant just go get a all star at pg without giving up a ton just
like we got for dwill ..why would we have traded him just to blow up our team
and trade for another one.. and look at the teams who have been winning
championships and guess what its not the teams with the best pg.. Devin Harris
if he can get healthy and stay healthy coupled with a back point who is a very
good distributor will just fine especially with gordon hayward being a
facilitator...but hopefully we can get kyrie i think he is a once in a decade
point guard.. and maybe we could trade up for him if cleveland could get him
especially since teams like cleveland would want an extra pick..we would give
them both our picks and we get theirs plus their second rounder and a
player..just a thought not even sure i would so it but maybe depends on if/what
player they would throw in...
I love what Hayward is doing right now and I love his confidence and what seems
to be quality leadership skills. I have been wondering who's going to step up
and be the leader. I think we have a few players who might be able
to be that person. Harris is confident, has a great attitude and very well
spoken. Big Al seemed to show signs of being that leader but he's never really
been a winner and he seems to have come down off that cloud just a bit. Maybe
it's cause we have a few other players stepping up and taking the weight off his
shoulders. Millsap leads by example but he is not very vocal. Then you have
Hayward. I think this kid might have all the skills. He is positive and has been
a flat out winner at every level. If Ty and the players start
believing in him and trusting him, he could be that person. He is very talented,
makes very smart decisions with the basketball, gets his teammates involved and
simply creates plays and breaks down defenses. I love him.
Jcrotty - There is a difference between D-will and Irving. D-will
was an all-star and Irving is projected to be an all-star. He hasn't proven
himself at the NBA level yet, so we wouldn't have to give up nearly as much. I don't think that he is a once in a decade PG, but no one knows for
sure. He will be good which is why I think that trading a 6th pick and a 12th
pick for a sure thing in a weak draft would be a great deal. And
Cleveland already has two picks in the top 8 so they probably wouldn't be
willing to trade since it wouldn't really benefit them that much.
Draft: Look, we cant give our second pick in this years draft to
move up a bit just for Kyrie even if we end up around 5th or 6th pick. I think
there are at least 4 quality point guards in this draft that will go in the top
15; Jimmer, Kyrie, Walker and Knight. We also need another SG/SF. I
would love to see us take either Williams, Vesely, Jones or Burks with our
first pick and take a PG with our 2nd. If Jimmer is there with our 2nd pick, I
think you have to take him. If we can sign Kirilenko for 5-7 Million we could be
very deep next year. I think this draft is actually very good 1-15 and is deeper
than many give it credit for. We can pick up some great talent with that second
pick. Imagine next years team of:PG: Harris/Fredette/WatsonSG:
Hayward/Miles/BellSF: Kirilenko/Perry JonesPF:
Favors/Millsap/EvansC: Jefferson/Okur/FezYou pretty much have
quality players at every position that could make up 2 starting lineups. That's
a potential championship team in the near future. Go Jazz.
First, no one knows where the ping pong balls will bounce so it's kind of silly
to start talking about trading picks and players to move up. Right now, all we
know is that we will have 2 lotter picks. Remember the 2008 draft? Chicago had a
1.7% chance of getting the number 1 pick and they got it. Remember the Spurs
when they got Duncan? You never know where the balls will drop. For all we know,
we could end up 1 and 2 or 11 and 12. We just don't know yet. Some how, I feel
that things will turn out better than we anticipate. The stars a aligning.To Be Continued.....
JazzfanMontana that is such a good point I think. Lets wait and see...
I feel like the stars are aligning. Jazz started the season with
zero picks in this years draft and were confidently heading into the playoffs.
However, somehow things just didn't seem right and they were having to make huge
comebacks on a nightly basis. All of a sudden all heck breaks loose and Deron
hurts his wrist, becomes frustrated, the team starts loosing and Sloan quits.
Deron gets blamed for the disaster and ends up being shipped off in a block
buster trade. This gives us draft pick number 1 plus a lottery pick from last
years draft in Favors and a future pick from Golden State. Next,
injuries strike and the season turns into a total disaster leading to pick
number 2 otherwise lost to the T-Wolves had we made the playoffs. Because of the
injuries, young players receive more playing time and our future starts to take
shape. Hayward and Favors start gain confidence. Kirilenko's huge contract comes
off the books and suddenly we have a strong core and huge assets. The stars are
aligning, so don't be surprised if we end up with 2 top 8 picks. Go Jazz.
@jazzfanMontana .... accually its not possible to end up at 11 and 12 dont you
know how the draft works..??? the nets pick depending on the finishes could only
drop 3 spots and thats the biggest iiiiiffffffff ever thus putting us at 9 or
10, and none of the top 3 worst records stay in the top 3 picks and then they
are automatically at the 4th... so saying we pick 11th isnt even possible ..and
to say that none of the 3 worst records get a top three pick even though
combined they probably make up 80 somthing percent chance between the three of
them to get the numer 1 pick alone..cant and wont and hasent ever happend .. in
most drafts only one team sneaks into the top three and the rest is determined
by worst records..
@jazzfanmontana ... So tell me why we cant move up for kyrie again bc we cant
give up the 12th picklast 7 number 12 picks , 04 robert swift,05
yaroslav korolev,06 Hilton armstrong, 07 thadeus yound, 08 jason thompson, 09
gerald henderson,10 xavier henryIf we traded that pick we could have
this for dwill... kyrie irving biggest cant miss in draft (future all -star and
career could rival dwill)Derrick Favors....devin harris ... 2012
first round pick...just saying??? thats not bad ...
Like I said before, we don't have a number 12 pick first of all. We have to wait
for the balls to bounce and see what we end up with. Second, Jimmer could easily
fall to 12th and he could be a star. If I had the opportunity to get Jimmer and
Perry Jones or just Kyrie, I take Jimmer and Jones any day. Plus there is no
guaranteed thing in the draft. Look at what happened with Portland when they
took Greg Oden. Let me ask you, does jcrotty25 stand for John Crotty
Ex Jazz guard? Need I say more?If you are a fan of John Crotty, your
opinion can't be valued.
There isn't a clear cut number one player in this draft, in fact there are
probably at least 3 if not more players that could go number one. That being
said, I don't think there is a player worth giving up our two lottery picks to
try to move up to get. Irving may be good but I don't think he is that good that
I would give up two lottery picks to get him.Jimmer would be a good pick
up if we could get him at 12/13, PJones, Vesely, TJones would be good picks at 6
or maybe even Jonas as a defensive minded, rebounding, shot blocking center.Coach Layden (Frank) thinks we need to get a big center to clog the middle.I was hopeful for Tomic last year but this year he doesn't seem to have
progressed and I have my doubts that he would be able to have much of an impact.
He isn't defensive minded, he isn't even that good of a rebounder, he looks to
score and that's about it. Jonas is young and still too light but he has the
right attitude etc.
@jazzfanmontana...my opinion isnt valued bc of my name lol ..is that all you can
come up with .. come on man you dont even know how the lottery works maybe you
should worry about that and not my name... perry jones is projected at number 5
and jimmer is projected at around 10th so how do you think you are going to get
both those guys let alone even one of them lol.... and unless we sneak into the
top 3 with our own pick how the heck do you figure we wont be 12... the only way
we arent is if we get top 3 which is about a 2 percent chance or one of the
teams behind us in the lottery somehow gets top three picks then we could slip
back to 13th thats if our record dictates we dont pass anyone with a better or
worse record of the non playoff teams before the season ends and with 3 games
left the only thing that might happen is we end up with a better record then
phoenix suns and they go 12th and we go 13th as long as neither of us get top 3
jcrotty25: Wow...that was the longest run-on sentence I have ever heard. You
seriously need some lessons in writing buddy. You are right about me
not knowing every draft rule. It's only because I spend my time learning real
skills rather than looking up meaningless NBA lottery draft rules that rarely
affect the Jazz. I didn't know every rule in the draft but we still don't know
were we are going to be drafting so give it a rest. Look, great stars are always
drafted later in the draft and early draft selections often fail. Look at the
history. Lets let the balls fall and let KOC do his thing and see where we come
Wow--JazzFanMontana relax, please. No need to rip on someone's grammar. I type
very quickly and don't add words to conserve space, etc. Stick with the Jazz and
please stop the all the bashing.Let's wait and see what happens with
the draft. Irving would be a great pick up. If people think that Harris is the
long-term answer they're crazy. He is not a first pass PG and his numbers show
it--this isn't going to work with Jazz basketball. We don't need an all-star PG
but someone who can lead and dish. Irving is not an all-star yet. I promised
Jazzcop I would give Harris a chance but not long-term. Should DH turn into a
spectacular floor general and "true" PG I will eat every word.Our chances of getting Irving are slim but you never know. A lot of you
have mentioned other great picks as well. Jones, Burks, Barnes, Vesley, etc.
But plase not Kemba Walker. I like Jimmer a lot better and I feel he has great
upside-maybe not an all-star but a great role player. Go Jazz and good luck.
@amgolfer. You're right, I shouldn't have typed that. I just couldn't hold my
fingers back! I have been reading these posts for a while and respect much of
what you have to say. I obviously don't feel the same about a few others. I
think you understand. Lets talk Jazz. I am not sure that DH is a
great floor general either but he is a very nice player and definitely a score
first PG. I still think we need him to be the starter next year but possibly not
long term unless he changes his game slightly. He does not seem to have the
court vision a true PG might have. Like many others have already stated, there
are some nice PG's in this draft but you never know how they will convert to the
NBA. I happened to check out some draft history today and found it very
interesting how many top 10 picks fail. The other thing that is interesting is
that there is always a late round star and sometimes several so as long as KOC
does his homework, the Jazz will be fine. Go Jazz... and beat Portland.
@JazzFanMontanaim going to agree with you that there are
uncertainties in the draft...but there are also sure things in the draft...Tim
Duncan...Hakeem Olajuwon...Lebron James...Blake Griffin...if you are worrying
about draft busts...it just means its poor talent evaluation on the part of the
team...or the player just never lived up to his potential...like
Olowakandi...Joe Smith...Kwame Brown...some hindered by Injuries...Sam Bowie(yes
if he werent injury prone he would've had been decent not MJ level
though)...Greg Oden...Oden has the potential...and showed glimpses of it when he
played...double doubles and 2 blks...@jcrotty25i agree with
you with Kyrie Irving...i think he is a better CP3...although im wondering about
health issues...i hope he isnt injury prone...although he is a cant miss
player...i think its best to have two players than 1...it adds depth to the
lineup...but if we scored on some good free agents...maybe we could move up...
I really have not seen Kyrie play so I don't have a credible opinion on the
subject but when comparing numbers, it seems that Knight has very similar
numbers as Kyrie. Have you guys actually seen Kyrie play? What makes him so
special? Do you guys think he is a guaranteed great pick? I have seen pretty
much all the other high prospects just not Kyrie. I'm very impressed with
Derrick Williams and I think he is a sure thing. What do you guys think?
Draft -I think that Kyrie would be great but unless the lottery goes
our way or we give up all of our picks this year and some next year it won't
happen. If you look on draftexpress it has Jonas Valanciunas going
#3. Apparently he has all the talent of Kanter but is taller, no health issues,
and a great work ethic. Also he's 6'11" with a 7'6" wingspan. Other
mock drafts have him going around 10 but apparently he has a lot of potential.
He says the pick and roll is his specialty and doesn't play in the post much on
offense so he wouldn't get in the way of Favors or Al. If he could fall to #6
then get Jimmer at the #12 that might not be bad.Then get perimeter
player in free agency.