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Utah Jazz: Emeka Okafor, Chris Paul lead Hornets past Jazz 121-117 in OT

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  • Silly Rabbit Magna, UT
    March 24, 2011 10:48 p.m.

    Wow, where were the coach's, where were the team leaders, where were the team captains, my kingdom for some basketball sense, all Milsap had to do was miss that last freethrow and game over Jazz win. Wow wow wow every highschool coach in the state knows that and would have had the FT missed.. Sad... welcome home lotery

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 24, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    You can't fault their effort tonight but . . .

    I was SCREAMING at the TV for Paul to miss that free throw! C'mon coach Corbin!

    I blame this loss on coaching.

    Not to mention that injuries and inconsistency have killed this team.

    I can't wait for the season to be over . . . it's been painful to say the least.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    March 25, 2011 12:26 a.m.

    Gordon Hayward had a good game...3 blocks...we will have a log jam at the 4-5...when Tomic comes in...we still need quality 2 and 3s...

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    March 25, 2011 12:40 a.m.

    This proves my point that Corbin is in over his head. He does not have the experience to coach young players who need to be coached. Freshman basketball coaches in high school could have made that call. Up one, other team has zero time-outs, you miss the free throw every time. Yes every time. Not even an exception with that amount of time. All the other team can do is rebound and heave. You can't make a pass with one second.

    Makes you wonder what Millsap was thinking too. How much basketball has he played? But it is still on Corbin. His job is to monitor the game and make the decision on to miss or make. The next question is where were his great asst. coaches? Hornacek should know better. Layden should know better. That explains a lot about why this team has fallen apart.

    CJ 21 minutes? Bell 42 minutes? Interesting that the +/- had CJ with the best score yet he only plays 21 minutes.......

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    March 25, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    millsap backed away from the line and looked at the coach before the second one.

  • cedar Holladay, UT
    March 25, 2011 2:58 a.m.

    its funny no one noticed the timekeeper must have dozed off before he hit the button as there was just a tad over a second and they had time to throw the ball the length of the court and it hit the new orleans player and bounced off his hand and dribbled to the player and he grabed it and jumped up to shoot and this took only a second. sure???? there had to be more than two seconds and we would have won.
    thanks.

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    March 25, 2011 3:02 a.m.

    wow. 2 comments of mine have been rejected by deseretnews. i wonder why? as i was trying to post earlier, how could a coach let his team allow the other team to still score with only 1.3 seconds to go? simple math and corbin would have deduced what it would take to win that ball game. oh well... i hope this isn't how corbin's coaching would be like next season.

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    March 25, 2011 3:06 a.m.

    ohh yeah i forgot to congratulate the jazz on another moral victory. more to come, i guess. lol. as big al said, they should be proud. lol

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2011 6:58 a.m.

    My 4 year old boy was yelling at Millsap to miss the free throw. What could possibly be going through his head. And Corbin just proved he is in over his head. What a horrible way to lose a game. Pure stupidty. And you might as well put Boler and Harpring on a slow boat to China. Laurel and Hardy they are not. And you can throw in big Thurl for company. These announcers are becoming a nuisance. Just call the game. No comedy please.

  • bobby d Beaver, UT
    March 25, 2011 6:58 a.m.

    You really have to be kidding Coach. My wife was making that call at the end to miss the free throw. Guess Ty didn't get the memo. Total proof that Corbin is not the man for the job. Sad but true. Millsap knows not to make the second one. Sometimes Paul you just have to take the bull by the horns and do whats right. It was a sad ending because the Jazz did battle back in the last minute and had the win. What hurts is that even though we lost............again, by enabling the Hornets another win, a team like Houston or Phoenix may be bumped out of the playoffs. Do we have to say more. Tyrone, that was bad, really bad.

  • Southern Utah Fan Enterprise, Utah
    March 25, 2011 7:25 a.m.

    Hayward had a great 1st half and was benched almost all the 3ed qt. Why?

    Draft time..... We got the starting of a good team. Need a good big man that other teams have to respect, and a pure 3 point shooter to open up the paint. Looks like were going to have the picks to do it. question is, will we?

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    March 25, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    The Jazz should trade away all first round choices. They seldom get anybody in the first round anyway. Time for some house cleaning and trade for a first rounder. Get somebody that can come in and make a difference immediately.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 25, 2011 8:53 a.m.

    Aaron Gray? Okafur?

    It's too bad this Jazz organization does not see the need for a big defensive minded center.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    March 25, 2011 9:10 a.m.

    No more Raja Bell please.
    kthxbye.

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    This loss sums up the Jazz season. Aaron Gray (50%) foul shooter goes Ray Allen at the foul line at the end. Okafur hits an impossible shot. All could have been avoided by missing a dang foul shot. Common sense Millsap and Corbin. This is like a bad dream. I remember when the Jazz were almost 2nd in the west. Good game by Millsap though. Jefferson is playing well too, just needs to quit holding the ball so long. This team is getting some time to play together and learn the system. So next season, hopefully there will be more chemistry and get back to winning some games. Lesson learned, miss the dang foul shot next time.

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    March 25, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Aaron Gray did for the Hornets what Fes is supposed to be doing for the Jazz -- occupy space. Oh, and Gray makes foul shots also.

    It appears that Corbin has given up on Fes -- he gives him even less time than Sloan did. Too bad.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    the jazz lost because of harprings ridiculous comments,
    he should not be allowed to air his opinion.

    i told my friend after millsap made the first he could miss the second and the game would be over, then that pass and shot.

    i knew the jazz were doomed when I heard, the jazz have out played noh and deserved to win" i think before the game was over, the only person who outplayed the hornets was millsap and thats because the team doesn't have any chemistry.

    corbin has failed to impress, even the night before i was wondering about his meaningless tech that ended up being the difference between the jazz being dogs or garbage,

    they look like garbage, the brand is garbage, it is a fabrication and everything that doesn't go the jazz way is an insult to ultimate reality, if you listen closely to the broadcast, everyone is wrong there and there is no need for some objectivity, apparently they want a fan to call a game someone please step up, get ronald mcdonald he is a clown too.

    the talent is there
    the vision isn't.

  • Silly Rabbit Magna, UT
    March 25, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    CJ I agree the last of the 4th I was askining my brother "where's CJ, shouldnt he be in the game?" and my bro was speechless as we just sat there in awe that he wasnt in the game, how do you not have your best FT shooter and 3 point shooter in the game at the end of a tight one. Then at the end of reg when Sap hit the first ft we knew it was over (becuase we all know why) my bro asked what was on my mind "why isnt anyone remindeing Milsap what to do, why arn't they talking?" "he's going to make the second one". Man with several veterens on the floor like Bell and Watson how do they not talk to each other, some of them play like they really don't care.... SAD

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    March 25, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Greg Miller and the Jazz organization have ruined this team. Watching games like this have just proven it. When is this season over? This is pathetic.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    March 25, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    I thought Raja was our best FT shooter and isn't Hayward currently percentage wise our second best 3 point shooter on the team behind Milsap? The Hornets were playing two point guards alot which is why CJ probably wasn't playing the 2 guard. Corbin likes to play matchups so it comes down to Hayward or Miles at the three. Personally, I probably would have went with CJ because of experience and his ability to create. However, CJ has been off the past couple of games. Everyone is blasting Corbin but hindsight is 20/20. How many times would Okafor hit that shot, he banked it in for freaking sake-what a miracle. That's what makes sports so great. Better to be lucky than good and it helps when you get a little home cooking with the clock (Not).

    I'm still laughing at Layden's comments when the Jazz hired Corbin, he is a can't miss. Talk about a curse........The Jazz weren't going anywhere any way and 2 lottery picks are better than one.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 25, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    How many more miscues in coaching, management and playing can fans tolerate?
    We go from contenders to pretenders to cannon fodder all in one year...KOC, Corbin, and Miller you guys are geniuses.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    March 25, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    I too wonder how there could have been a deflected pass and pick up and shoot all in the space of one second. Another "mystery of the univiverse" like the JFK assasination and Flight 800. The Jazz need to go with General Reno and not with Custer and "limp off into the sunset" and live to fight another day. Semper Fi.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    March 25, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    There is no hindsight in, "He should have missed the free throw". That is basketball 101. With a second on the clock and you are winning, you can't rebound the ball and go 90 feet in a second. Poor coaching and poor execution by the players. Corbin is in over his head as a head coach.

    How do you lose night in and night out with the team the Jazz have assembled? With AJ, Millsap, AK, CJ and Harris you would think you could win half your games!! This team has no leadership. Fire Corbin.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    March 25, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    Players? Coaching? Ownership?

    The Players seem to be playing hard;

    Yet they continue to lose.

    That, seemingly playing hard/yet continuing to lose, thing, is the scariest part of the equation.

    Coaching has proven to be suspect.

    Ownership has proven to be suspect.

    What a mess...

  • deno22 Rexburg, ID
    March 25, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    I think the jazz are cursed, only way to explain it. Okafor makes one basket the second half and it one where he is facing the crowd, insanity. At least it was a good game to watch...the jazz aren't making the playoffs anyways so who cares. Hope West is okay, that looked painful.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 25, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    "Everyone is blasting Corbin but hindsight is 20/20." Okafor's shot was at least 100-1, but a 90ft heave off a missed FT is 10000-1. Paul has to know better, but he was locked in on making the first one. This is on Corbin (and Layden & Hornacek), and why didn't those wily veterans Bell & Watson say anything? Why you can't build with has-beens unless you have some HOFers already in place a la SA, LAL & Boston.

    Hayward had to be dying watching, this was the same ending as Duke-Butler & Butler-Pitt, but too scared as a rookie to say anything.

    All you can do is learn and move on, and hope for Harrison Barnes & Perry Jones in the lottery, and that Tomic can at least be the middle Gasol brother.

  • Dr Truth SLC, ut
    March 25, 2011 1:40 p.m.

    Are people really wanting the Jazz to pass Phoenix and Houston for the 14th spot in the draft? I doubt they had a chance to catch Memphis anyway. They might of made it so someone else will catch the Hornets now!

    @ CJ, how many nights has Corbin had a full team? or the same players on his team? Milsap just came back and is still playing hurt, AK has been hobbled, Harris has been injured. You make it sound like he has had a full team during his time as a coach. Several games they haven't even had 10 players. Certainly the Jazz should and could have won a couple of those games, but I doubt they would still make the playoffs with a different coach?

    I got to give some love to Milsap though, he is tough as NAILS!! He has got to be the go to guy at the end of the game.

  • zjtech Erda, UTah
    March 25, 2011 2:26 p.m.

    Bad Coaching! Why did we sign him to a contract so fast?

  • SportsFan101 Bountiful, UT
    March 25, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    The Raja Bell return experiment has failed. His "lock down D" is gone. His free throw percentage is down. And his shot is failing. Goodbye, Raja.

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    Corbin gave up on Fes because he sucks.... Fes is by far my least favorite Jazz player. He does not take his job seriously, he cannot make a foul shot, and his occasional good game strings Jazz fans along into thinking he is somebody. Thank you Ty for not playing that goon and please release him soon!

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    @ Jazz Cop

    What game were you watching? Harpring went off on how he should have missed the foul shot.

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 2:57 p.m.

    Sorry guys but you cannot call for Corbin to be fired. I was never in favor of putting him as coach. Maybe an interim coach, but Corbin inherited an injury ridden team that just lost its hall of fame coach and Deron Williams. Did you think things would go so smoothly guys? I would have liked to see some new blood as head coach since so much change came about anyway. Corbin did mess up though, you gotta miss the second free throw and Millsap is just as much at fault on that.

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    To add to my rant why does every scrub or decent player have their coming out party against the Jazz??????? Aaron Gray??? Are you kidding me? Hits a clutch shot and 4 straight ft's? Emeka Okafur? Decent player, big under achiever hits that shot? Jarret Jack hitting jumpers.. I swear the Jazz defense makes a scrub look good and an avg player look like a superstar... Anyway, I am just hoping the Jazz can get practice time from these games to be ready for next year! Still love ya Jazz!

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    March 25, 2011 3:05 p.m.

    New Orleans isn't going anywhere and neither are the Jazz. What a debacle last night, as some have observed; miss the free throw Millsap, and we walk away with the victory. That was dung going to O.T. Again all the no calls and mystery fouls continue to plague the Jazz. We have a very young team and inexperienced coaching in terms of game management. Do we know what Kevin O'Connor's plans are with respect to coaching. We have certainly taken a few steps backward with the current roster, and seeing into the future, Kirilenko and Okur are doubtful. If this team hangs onto players like Fesenko, it is surely doomsday looking us in the face. Why don't the Jazz swap mascots with the Hornets? Either we need a new trainer or we need to get the current one retrained. This club is nothing but a continuing long hospital list. If this NBA league doesn't alter a few things, the owners might just as well turn operations over to them. The players get over 57% of the basketball related revenues, and they are still unhappy? Oh boy. Stern should resign in the best league interests.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    The Jazz no doubt have issues. A "few" have defended Corbin and the mess he was given regarding the Jazz's current status. The head coaching responsibilities may be new but coaching is NOT. Anyway you want to slice and dice it there was not excuses for that loss last night. None. Period. Coaching staff and Sap had a serious lapse in judgment and it cost us a W-enough said.

    Future of the Jazz is scary at best and that is being optimistic. We need some many positional players that can step up to the plate and deliver. We don't have that at all. A few pieces for sure but not close. Need a true #5, #3, #2 and #1. Only one position is stable. The rest are suspect as we wait for players to develop. Yes, I've said it before and I will say it again we need a #1. Harris can backup. Now, if he can show me he can be an all around PG, sweet.

    I'm surprised hardly any of you commented on West. That was nasty and I guarantee you he tore his ACL. Get well buddy....Go jazz

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    March 25, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    It's amazing how Denver lost their best player, an even better player than Dwill, and they are winning even more games. Maybe it's because they have a coach who knows what he is doing with the team!!

    When both trades were made, the Jazz were in the playoffs. Then Corbin took the reins and the ship sunk fast. I think I could coach this team better than he is doing right now. He holds no one accountable. He plays Bell huge minutes. When AK was healthy, he cut his minutes. Favors was starting and the Jazz were wining. Put him right back on the bench and the losing continued. Fes never leaves the bench. Elson does. Hayward doesn't know if he is coming or going with his playing time. Jerry Jr. has sunk the ship for good. The boys don't mind losing now. He is creating an "It's Ok to lose if you try" attitude.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    March 25, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    Meh, give Corbin some time. These are all rookie mistakes. I can still remember Hayward's rookie mistake. The will is there, now he just needs some experience I think.

  • Fred704 Westwood, NJ
    March 25, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    There are learning curves for Corbin and Miller to be a head coach and an owner, respectively. Good luck.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    March 25, 2011 5:10 p.m.

    What surprised me was why didn't Raja Bell walk up to Paul and tell him to miss the free throw?

    I have no doubts in my mind that Raja knew what to do in that situation. I think if Coach Corbin had had a few more seconds to think about it he would have opted for the miss; especially if someone like Bell or Harpring had insisted on it being the right thing to do and explained why.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 5:55 p.m.

    @jazzguru-well, if you have dvr'd the game i'd be interested if you can tell me if harpring mentioned that millsap should miss the shot, i remember that afterwards he spoke about it like was something that anybody should've known, considering you r the only one that rec's your own posts why don't you do a little research and instead of calling me out to defend my statements just be sure what your talking about as well before you go popping off.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 7:10 p.m.

    People it's over. Let's move on. We lost a game we should have won--nothing we can do about it now. The Jazz have a lot bigger issues to worry about and that is their immediate future. We need some serious change and the right personnel to get it done.

    @Jazzcop--I don't think anyone is meaning to call you out. Relax, it's all good.

    Go Jazz......

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 7:33 p.m.

    Let's see....work with me people or chime in....think about it though

    Center #5--We have nothing as it's intuitively obvious to me Fes will be gone and AJ is not the answer here.....we need a big/true C.
    Power Forward #4--(stable) AJ, Sap (off the bench), Favors, AK (at discounted price--he is versatile as well--can play #4, #3 and #1--stay healthy)
    Small Forward #3--AK, Hayward, Evans--still young and developing. Possibly a draft pick goes here...or get a vet.
    Shoot Guard #2--CJ, Hayward, draft pic.....Jimmer?--could play point as well.
    Point Guard #1--Draft pic (trade up for Irving--nice try right:), One poster brought up Felton? I kinda like that idea. Denver keeps Lawson. Harris (needs to show me a lot more skill as a "true" point to start, otherwise backup) Watson.

    If a name wasn't mentioned that's on the current roster C ya. Many will gripe and complain about CJ....not ready to give up just yet. Once poster mentioned we don't give up on Okur. No one is giving up; perception is reality for most us. Go Jazz

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 7:45 p.m.

    Oh someone suggested that AJ at PF and a true C could not co-exist? You make necessary adjustments and make it work.... It can work but proper execution will have to change no doubt. A wise coaching staff is a necessity as well. If Boozer and Noah can exist just fine that we can make the change as well. I don't want our PF feeling like they have to get 30/15 every night to win. A good defensive C that can get 10-12 (or more) boards per game, play solid D, alter shots and give us 12-16 pts, sweet...

  • Indy05 Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    @amgolfer

    I think your assessment is pretty good. I do think we need to give Harris time though. He was an all-star a couple years ago and maybe once we have those extra couple pieces and he learns the offense he will do better.

    I don't think that Millsap is going to be coming off the bench. He's too good offensively for that but his defense down low is what hurts us. I think that trying him at the 3 is worth a try. Also, Favors needs to be developing and he can't be the 3rd option if he's going to get the minutes he needs.

    I think getting a solid 2 and 5 would make this team a lot better. Maybe Kanter in the draft and try and find a solid SG to trade for. Trading up for Irving makes sense though too. It will be interesting to see what management does.

  • Indy05 Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 8:25 p.m.

    Another thing, everyone keeps talking about Tomic as if he is the answer at the 5....his numbers are not that good.

    He is averaging 9 pts, 5 rebounds, and .7 blocks per game. He is only playing about 20 min a game but if he were NBA ready he would be putting up better numbers in the Spanish league.

    So in my opinion he is a back up at best.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 8:31 p.m.

    Indy05--thanks for the input. I am hard on Harris and I know. I need to give him more of a chance--time will tell; just not impressed so far. I do remember when he was an all-star....it's not the same. Maybe he can find the magic again. I have mentioned Paul at #3 but many posters rebuked me for it saying there is no way he is quick enough to guard most athletic #3. We may have to have AJ at C at times to get Favors the minutes he desperately needs. I agree with you on that. Paul is awesome on offense and has mad skills. His liability is on the defensive end and that is a huge concern. We still need a #5--Kanter is a thought and not sure what to think of Tomic...many like and many dislike his game.
    The draft no doubt will be interesting. I love Irving and he has great upside. Walker could be a sleeper; not big though. Jimmer? Williams? Barnes? Burks--should stay in college one more year? It will be interesting....

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Indy what are your thoughts about Raymond Felton as PG? There is no way both Lawson and Felton stay in Denver. Neither wants to be a second fiddle to the other. I remember earlier this year when he was with the Knicks that he torched our offense. He was driving and dishing all night long. Made DWill look stupid as we could not keep him out of the paint from breaking down our offense. He can do that every night. I was thinking wow Raymond's got game.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    @amgolfer-harris is better you just need to give him time, i mean, why waste a pick on pt guard in this weak pt guard draft, a rookie pt guard is not going to be the answer next year and even if you doubt harris turns a corner and you are right then we'll have two more picks the next year and they didn't unnecessarily use a pick on a pt guard that will end up riding pine, he's good enough to give him at least a year to see if you need to draft at that position.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    @Jazz Cop--are you a cop in real life? Just wondering. I agree with you in that I'm hard on Harris. If you read my prior posts you will see that I gladly admit that. I will remember our discussion about him and should he not meet the expectations we will talk more. I am just not convinced right now; I know he is capable but maybe his best years are past him, I don't know. Cop I think you would agree that time will tell us everything-stating the obvious I know.

    One more thing I strongly disagree with you regarding Irving. I sincerely feel, as most others do, that this kid could be something special on the next level. He has mad skills and will only get better. This would NOT be a bust by any stretch of the imagination. Should they land him most would be bouncing. I am well aware we need other pieces.

    Nevertheless, I will get off Harris' back....my expectations are not going to change though. He needs to be better than average, a floor general. I would gladly take 14-16 pts and 10 assists any day.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 9:50 p.m.

    i only watched irving play once and he was playing sg, he's been playing sg so how is he the answer?
    like i said, give harris a year, if the team is this bad next year they will still have what should be two good picks, maybe there is a better crop of pg's and by then we will know harris is on his way out for sure, since we don't know that right now, why use one of the draft picks on a pg. It would be folly to draft a pg and have him sitting on the bench. 1) a rookie pg is not going to beat out harris or watson for playing time, therefore, any playing time would be charity, jazz are not good enough to be charitable. 2)from what i saw, irving isn't as skilled as harris.
    however, that is what would likely happen,
    it could be that a rookie pg would push harris and they work out together in the backcourt and corbin figures out how to play them, but it really sounds like a mess to me.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    @Jazz Cop--please do your homework on this kid before you post on him. The game u probably seen he may very well been playing SG, but he is a PG. He is 6'2 180 lbs. I think you are forgetting about Nolan Smith who also played PG and did an excellent job. Last time I checked many PG can play the SG at times--aka DWill did nicely. Remember? Oh, and you ask how does he playing SG solve the problem? Cop last time I checked we could use a #2???? We could mold this kid in two possible positions--#1 and #2....Great move my friend. Please go watch tape on him as it would be well worth your time.

    You mentioned skill? Irving has more SKILL than Harris. Now, I'm not saying he would beat him out but who does as a rookie? This kid is no bust, trust me. He will most likely go #1 or #2 in the draft. His stock is rising. Oh, he would be the second string and Watson would be #3. DWill didn't play much his rookie season either. Wall, look at him? You never know.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Oh Jazz Cop I conceded and said I would lay off Harris and give him a chance. I'm with you buddy on that one. We will see. I am looking down the road nothing more. Irving would be amazing. Who ever lands him watch him and one day you will come back and know with a surety that what I'm trying to convey is no bull. The kid is a stud and has serious, mad skills. Kid can shoot, 46% from the 3, excellent passer, ball handler and can penetrate/break down defenses with the best of them. He can also play D and is quick......sweet game.

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Harping said on at least 3 occasions that the Jazz should have missed and I will take that to Vegas my friend. And I was not "popping off" just correcting you, we have all been wrong before, chill out brother. And yes, I do have the game DVR'd as a matter of fact. I work late and that is the way I watch the games. Want me to play it for you? :)

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 25, 2011 10:52 p.m.

    @ Jazzguru--you are right and I will back you on that regarding Harpring's comments--I too watched the whole game. Some people can just be caddy with their comments. If you read one of my prior posts I told him to relax regarding your post as I caught it as well. Some people just get a little defensive. It's all good:-) Go Jazz....

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    What surprises me is that you would think with Jefferson scoring 30 a night, Millsap playing well, and Harris and Favors doing a decent job, the Jazz would have won more games. My problem with Al Jefferson though is he is a ball stopper, he holds the ball way too long. The big problem though is the Jazz are in my opinion the worst defensive team in the NBA. Scrubs have their way against us, and guys like Jarret Jack or Luke Ridnour look more like Steve Nash and Tony Parker against us. Go ahead and criticize if you want, but I wanted Jeff Van Gundy as the coach when J Slo left. I do not know if Van gundy owuld even want the job, but when he coached NY and Houston, they were in the top 5 best defensive teams in the league. Again, this year is gone, just use the rest of the games to get more practice in and hopefully have a better year next year.

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 11:00 p.m.

    I also want to point out how much the Jazz miss Memo. He stretched the defense, and in the clutch I think he has hit more big shots then any Jazz player in the last 8 years. He was always hitting big 3's and such. He was not great on defense, but Memo is an important piece of the Jazz puzzle. I am excited at the upside of Favors though. He has range of up to 17 feet, and has a nice touch around the rim. It is nice having a 6-10 guy that does not fumble passes and botch layups like Ostertag (board hands) and Fesenko, the biggest goon that has ever put on a Jazz uniform. I am optimistic about this team though. With a full season next year, I think the Jazz can be competitive. I am making a prediction that in 4 years, the Jazz will be mentioned as an elite team in the west again. Look at OKC Thunder this year, they have gotten progressively better the last 3 years. They were awful when they first got their team going.

  • Indy05 Provo, UT
    March 25, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    @amgolfer

    I think that they have to do something with Paul. If he can't play the 3 then he'll have to come off the bench. If he doesn't want to do that then we have to trade him. I would hate to see him go but we could get a lot out of him if we were to trade him.

    I really don't know who they should go for in the draft. Kanter is the only one that I could see having a big effect immediately. We could go for Barnes but we are pretty deep at the 3 and if Paul were able to play 3 then we are even more overloaded.

    We need a solid 2 but there are none in the draft. I would really like to see Matthews back here. Maybe they could trade Millsap for Matthews or get Irving in the draft and trade Harris for Matthews. Portland has wanted Millsap and Harris at different times so it could work.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 4:22 a.m.

    well, i was maybe not listening as i've trained myself to tune harpingr out but i will tell you i don't miss any points and if he said something he didn't make a point out of it as wouldn'nt you have wanted that at least???

    amgolfer-u will makes us into gs warriors, this is fun though, i like it, but it is not worthy.

    jazzguru-surely u have spoken truth. my point is still without need of explanation.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 4:33 a.m.

    i'm not really a cop.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 4:41 a.m.

    my final statement will be that don't lose hope, there is alot of talent onthis roster, for all the people who really hated that mathews wasn't signed, harris too is from madison because he is a badger, and if there is one thing a badger can do well is fight which wmathews the venerable whatever u want to call him ya he was good, but harris has some of that too i will tell u why u r complaining that is the reason now stop it.

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 5:07 a.m.

    u know amgolfer, even though logic tells me u r wrong and u would admit that, but my intuition says u r right, they should draft a guard,
    i figured it out
    and this is why
    the cba will most likely cause bigs take even longer to develop into pros, the chances of getting a pro in this draft is better if you go small,
    seeing what we have on the plate
    we could use some guards, making the intuitions strong,
    i do feel it.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    March 26, 2011 6:09 a.m.

    @amgolfer

    i think it would be pretty hard to haggle for the top pick...but i think kyrie irving is the best pg on the draft...no doubt about that...Ante Tomic...has good size 7'2"...but he isnt a defensive C....the jazz should have tried to asked about kendrick Perkins...the stats may not show it...but having him as the anchor on your D...changes everything...i am in favor of having Felton rather than Harris at PG...i have said that a few posts before...Harris is good...but Felton for me...manages the game better...Harris became an all-star because he could score...i dont think he averages double figures in ast...not like Felton...so if we couldnt get Irving...i hope they try to get Felton...i hope we get Perry Jones though

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 26, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    I worry about Tomic, he hasn't had that good of a season and he seems soft. I know Kakashi has been suggesting we draft Jonas, the 7' center from Lithuania and if you read about him he is exacltly the kind of player we need. Great attitude and work ethic, not afraid to bang even though he is young and a light weitht. He is a very good rebounder, a good shoot blocker, good at the pick and role, shoots 85+ % from the line, 70 +% from the field, he has a 7'6" wing span and seems to be the type of center we need.
    He is listed as the #3 pick on one site and may not be available but he is only 18 yrs old, turns 19 I think in July.
    We need a long athletic 3 to replace AK, even if they resign AK, but we also could use a point guard for the future.
    One of the most frustrating things is how Corbin has been playing players and not playing players, hope he figures it out soon and plays players so they can develop and learn their new role on this team.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 11:13 a.m.

    @Jazz Cop--What? Golden State Warriors? Are you kidding me? I bring up and tout and future star in Irving and now I am going down the GS Warrior road? You need to explain yourself man...your comment warranted nothing on the matter. I need you to explain in more detail...I can't agree or disagree when you leave it wide open my friend. I would never want us to go down that road. EVER. So I am naturally perplexed by your comment. Enlighten me please....Go Jazz

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    @Jazz Cop--I just feel we need to address the PG position. Felton>Harris and a future Irving>Harris. We don't need a scorer in Harris, like I said I would be happy with John Stockton numbers, 12-14 pts and 10-15 assists per game. A floor general, someone who creates and breaks down offenses to dish and throw out--HARRIS? He better seriously work on that aspect of his game b/c he is first shoot then pass PG...we DON'T want that. I feel like I am a broken record here. Harris needs to find it.

    About Tomic-I was high on him in 2010 and now my tune has changed somewhat. I'm not sure if we gamble on a 18 y/o kid, but I don't know if he "acts" like one either. Fes acts 18 and immature. I think some talent is deep w/in but we will never know it as he is a little kid wrapped up in huge frame. Nothing wrong with wanting to live your life vicariously as a 12 y/o kid but you have to know when to grow up as well.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    @ Jazz Cop--dang I was hoping you were a Provo cop and I was going to comment...but I highly doubt DN would allow my post to be viewed.....it would inevitably be denied:-)

    I hope I'm making myself clear on our "future" PG...... If no Irving (would be very difficult for the Jazz to pull that one off even in a so called weak draft) then I hope we attack and go after Felton. I like his game and he is a top 10 PG in the league in my opinion. He has a lot of game as well. First Irving, Second Felton (or first) and last would be Harris. I want a true PG that can do what DWill and John did for us for so many years. I miss that; you know how important the PG position is? It's as important as the QB--the catalyst/general. It's a must and we can't compromise that position. We need a scorer and C no doubt.. If Harris can prove to be just that I will EAT every word brother. Again, every word, gladly. Go Jazz....

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    One of the biggest issues for the Jazz is NO leadership on the floor....have you noticed? The other night against the Hornets? Bell showed nothing, AJ said nothing, etc.... We need that desperately b/c I don't think AJ is going to take the role and run with hit....this is were DWills (I question at times, trust me) and Stocktons are missed. John was a very private chap off the court but a hard nosed leader on--it was beautiful watching John run the offense....We don't have that and need it. Would Irving bring that immediately, no....Would Felton, yes, I believe. Harris? Remains to be seen but I have my doubts. Unless we can bring in a Vet at the #2 or #3 we may continue to have issues that we shouldn't have if we could only get a leader on the court......Okay, I'm done:) I know, thank you, right?

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 11:44 a.m.

    Hey where is Todd from Santa Ana? Notice he is no longer posting??? Anyone know? I am a little perplexed by this...hope everything is okay.

    If you should read this Todd post a comment...I miss your input and it's fun to battle with the "vets" on the forum:) LOL..

    Go Jazz..

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 12:35 p.m.

    where's tood the dude?
    hey though this is why i said it, it sounds like ur ready to scrap everything for what sounds like a run and gun system, i see now ur really complaining about not having better distribution at the position, which is something we'd all like to have, so you recommend draft a pg who can be the distributor and utilize harris in some capacity that u see as his strengths. but i accuse you of turning us into gs warriors because this sounds like a run and gun system heavy with scorers at guards and this is how you advertise irving, so it seems contradictory. I mean not a gsw fan but they r prettyfun to watch when they catch fire. I'm saying i'd rather see harris fight his way back, because this would become a rallying point. Seriously i think he needs to be given a better chance as he came to us a little damaged from nj.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 12:46 p.m.

    @ Jazz Cop--you're not reading my posts correctly. I am NOT lobbying for a "huge" scorer at the PG position...I have said NUMEROUS times that I would love it if Harris could give us 12-14 pts and 10+ assists per game. Please go back and read my prior posts more carefully. Just b/c I said Irving can score/shoot doesn't mean that this is ALL I want in the PG position--I have listed numerous things I rather have than high scoring....seriously.

    So when you said I am being contradictory is completely false Cop. I have never eluded to the fact that I want a GS system of run and gun....You should ask for clarity before assuming this is what I'm trying to say. Your last few posts couldn't be further from the truth. Right now Harris would probably excel on the GS Warriors as this is more his style, run and gun. He thinks first shoot then pass remember???? We need the opposite and I don't know how many times I have said this in past posts... I hope I have clarified things for you. Go Jazz

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 12:55 p.m.

    At Jazz Cop--go to page #3 on this forum and look at my post. I quote, "Oh Jazz Cop I conceded and said I would lay off Harris and give him a chance. I'm with you buddy on that one. We will see. I am looking down the road nothing more. Irving would be amazing. Who ever lands him watch him and one day you will come back and know with a surety that what I'm trying to convey is no bull. The kid is a stud and has serious, mad skills. Kid can shoot, 46% from the 3, excellent passer, ball handler and can penetrate/break down defenses with the best of them. He can also play D and is quick......sweet game." I hope this clears things up for you....:)

    Now, b/c I said he can shoot the 3 you think I'm now lobbying for a "BIG" scoring PG? I don't think so. He brings so many other things to the table and it's a bonus he's an excellent threat from beyond. Rose and Westbrook are too and look what they are doing on their respective teams...

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 1:05 p.m.

    amgolfer u might be right, but i think the team needs time to gel and it could end up being a wasted pick, or it could be perceived as a threat, it could send the wrong message, it could be, and on, these are all good reasons besides the fact that it sounds like it turns us into a run and gun system, not to support this.
    imo todd from santa ana is the only poster who always seems to write something worth reading. he has been lost to the night.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    Bottom line I don't want to hear excuses for Harris coming from NJ banged up. Most players are banged up and are doing fine. The elite PG are technically all banged up as well and they are producing. Rigors of the NBA. If anything I have been hard on Harris as he doesn't know the system. I will give that to him as it's a lot more difficult than one might think. Before straining his hamstring he was moving fine and showed his quickness in the open court--couldn't do that if he was banged up that bad.

    Again, I will give him a chance but I like both Felton and Irving better...Harris, in my opinion is not even a top 10 NBA PG. Top 15-20, yes. Cop, as I have told you I will lay off Harris and stop bagging on him. I do need to let him play in a system he is comfortable with. The Jazz organization has so many other things to worry about as well. This is only one piece in my book. Let's see what Harris can do......I will leave it at that. Deal?

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 1:17 p.m.

    i totally understand you amgolfer and what you are saying is palatable. i like harris more than those guys, i just think it takes some time for these guys to figure out how to play together. tell me if i'm wrong, but doesn't harris play alot like dwill did when dwill would be frustrated. i'm just saying that this is frustrated pg play but the potential to correct things isn't a huge change and it's smaller change and better risk than scrapping it all, but like i said i am willing to give it a year because if it works out then we won't need to draft a pg anyway, and if it doesn't we have another chance, to me that seems so obvious that it can't be overlooked.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    This is why I brought up Todd. Just not making any head way with you Cop. You have taken what I'm trying to convey way out of context. Maybe we will see eye to eye on another subject. You like Harris and we will see.....

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    amgolfer-why ru trying to make headway with me, i think you just don't have anything to do and want to talk some bball u might as well put me in that boat too. but i studied some philosophy and while its suppposed to make me objective what happened was that i became irrational and stubborn so it's not anyones fault that i'm not a better philosopher but i blame it on aristotle, this is the type of person you are trying to make headway with?

  • Jazz Cop San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 3:44 p.m.

    I say make some headway with harris, make peace w yourself first and then the world will be in harmony with you.
    and since it hasn't stopped raining in sf since cj putup 40 i'm going to invoke the power of the rainmaker cj miles big game for the jazz, i think, we are playing tonight and in for something special.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 26, 2011 7:19 p.m.

    Jazz Cop---you are one strange dude; but in a good way:) I'm a bay man myself, well for now. Go Giants...huge huge fan since childhood.

    When I said head way I simply meant you and I see two things differently--I felt like I was repeating myself post after post justifying my reasoning. A person either gets it or they don't, eventually. I feel you understood my logic to a degree and then it was lost again. It's all good as I don't understand your thought process on Harris fully either. Going back and forth being redundant in our conversation gets somewhat old after a while; I think you would agree partner. New subject for now. FYI, I am at peace but definitely not with Harris long-term. But as I promised you I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Doesn't mean I like though. We will most likely battle again--as I will not forget you or our "Harris" talk. I hope your right, sincerely....Go Jazz and Giants (hope you love SF baby).