I feel kind of like that Verizon Spokesman constantly asking our legislature and
Gov. Herbert,"Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now?" I'm quite
positive that most of us do. Having a legislature that has forgotten who elected
them to office is mind numbing. Instead they set aside their conservative
roots in an effort to pander to groups they were not elected to represent. They
trample on principle and rule of law by hiding behind misrepresented terms such
as "compassion", "comprehensive", "balanced" and
"fair". They were NOT elected by special interest groups.
They most definitely were NOT elected by illegal aliens. They WERE elected by
the PEOPLE of this great state. If they choose not to hear US and instead
continue along this path they have chosen to take, they better realize that
after the votes are cast at the ballot box they WILL hear us and for them it
will be too late.
HB166 makes no sense. If the governor signs it, and if the Federal government
turns over immigration to Utah, it clearly has not been thought out.A person needs a drivers privilege card for a guest worker pass. They have to
have a job lined up, one that is not wanted by Americans, or can't be done by
one, and their pay has to be equal to others in the area doing the same job. 20%
of the people here illegally work in agriculture, ranching, etc. The rest are
doing jobs like construction, housekeeping etc. In order for an employer to hire
a person under this program, they have to make sure that no citizens will do the
job. Will our state enforce their own law, or face multiple lawsuits? This could
be costly.And if the business owner has to hire a citizen first, if
he's dishonest, he will just hire a person here illegally that never signed up.
This could put everyone who signs up, out of work, unless they work in
agriculture. And if they are out of work, their guest worker pass expires. This
is a mess.
It looks more like the bill was meant to kill E-verify and keep the drivers
privilege card program. Once it's killed, those parts are dead also. E-verify
was one of Herberts points. #3We did not find a solution, we gave
other states a way to kill enforcement bills. (I put this in another
article before this one was up. It's more appropriate here.)
pulling money out of banks, even for two weeks, is stupid. The criminal element
(other than just those violating immigration laws) in their community will know
who has more cash lying around and will target them for home invasions and other
forms of robbery.
re this article"The automated phone call going out to GOP state
delegates states: "Over 70% of Utahns do not support amnesty for illegal
aliens. Yet, our state Legislature did exactly that by narrowly passing House
Bill 116." -----------How is having to pay a $2500
fine for crossing the border amnesty? These people didn't even violate a state
law for crossing the border yet they are being made to pay a state fine. How is
this amnesty?Amnesty is when a policeman gives any of us a warning
ticket for a traffic violation. How many Utahn's have refused a warning ticket?
Thats how many Utah's are really .. truely .. against amnesty.
Does anyone have a clue how to handle this issue where everyone is happy? I
seriously doubt it. People complain when nothing is done and people complain
when something is done. I agree with the governor; some parts are very good and
others are either poor or wrong. His career shouldn't be hung over his head
over this. This is a starting point and can be updated and improved upon later;
keeping the good and scraping the dumb and bad.
Simply put, either Herbert will listen to the people or he will listen to the
Chamber of Commerce and La Raza. In the end, he will either be with us or
against us - the average Utahn. We've got 100,000 legal Utahns out of work, and
we need a program to bring in more illegals? Doesn't make any sense, unless
you're trying to find cheaper labor for your business. But, businesses also pay
for unemployment. So, is it just a few businesses trying to get other
businesses to help pay for their use of cheap labor? Why would the other
businesses go along with that? Maybe they need to talk to the Chamber as well.
I agree it is not fair for the governor to hang his career on this particular
bill, however I am also against amnesty for the illegals. These people have
proven they are not afraid to break the law, and what happens next time when
they don't agree with the law?I think there are many other qualified
individuals waiting to come to USA legally who will not have the opportunity now
even though they are more educated and qualified yet they chose to obey the law.
If given an opportunity I would choose them to be my new neighbor.
There is no doubt in my mind that Herbert will infact sign this lousy HB
116....Its time to start caucusing these RINO's like Herbert out of
office and do it now.....Here are the other RINO's who voted yes to
this bill that need to get thrown out with Herbert, Mark Shirtleff and
Bramble: Anderson Draxler Moss
Seelig Arent Edwards Noel
Vickers Bird Fisher, Janice Perry
Watkins Biskupski Froerer
Peterson, J Webb Brown, D Hemingway
Peterson, V Wheatley Brown, M Hendrickson
Pitcher Wiley Butterfield
Hutchings Poulson Wright Christensen
Kiser Powell Lockhart Cosgrove
Litvack Richardson Dee McIff
Sagers Dougall Menlove
I agree with emophiliac 7:38 and I guess if Tony Y and the advocacy groups of
illegal immigration are for it then I will have to vote against it. Mr. Govenor
please veto it! Viva LEGAL immigration.
Technically, this is NOT an amnesty bill. It proposes bringing MORE people into
the labor pool during a recession. It makes no sense, except to pander to
Latino activists and the Chamber.In reality, MORE willing workers means
lower wages and fewer benefits. A tight labor market raises wages; flooding the
market with low-skilled workers willing to undercut our own citizens keeps the
hourly wage low.Like Obama, Utah politicians don't get it. Washington is
issuing a million green cards a year, in spite of 10%+ unemployment.This
is Herbert's version of the same nonsense.
@cjb 6:33. How is it amnesty? Just ask the millions standing in line at
Embassy's around the world who are trying to immigrate LEGALLY.
When the overwhelming majority of Utahns are dead against amnesty for illegals,
we definitely need to have our voices heard by the governor not to sign this
garbage bill HB116, or we will be voting him out, just as we did to Chris Cannon
and Bob Bennett. This is the time for the people make their stand against
government representatives that thumb their nose to the people and cave in to
special interests like LA RAZA or the corrupt big business interests (chamber of
cjb, people broke the law coming here and working, it is amnesty to allow them
to stay and keep on working. No amount of money should put them in
front of those who have waited to come here legally. America refuses to do
amnesty, the Hispanic groups will accept nothing but amnesty. We need to accept
the fact that enforcement is the only option, as the 1986 amnesty brought us to
this point. Another amnesty will not solve the problem, but make it worse. We need to stop the behavior, and the only way to do that is with the
deterrent of enforcement. If the Feds are not going to stop it, and the states
don't try, it's going to come down to the people, and that's not what we want
(Greece, Italy)They are our jobs, we want them back. 12 million
people, no remorse, no sorry for breaking laws, no compassion to those who ID's
were stolen? Why does it have to be one sided all the time?
Like I have been posting for months now, Utahns are against illegal immigration.
Many of them are just now getting into the debate, and I can promise you the
people of Utah will not allow a bill like this to go into effect without being
heard. The Governor is done if he signs this bill. He cannot ignore
the wishes of the people without having a consequence.As I have said
before and I will say it again..... get illegals out of our state. Quit wasting
time with these ridiculous debates, and uphold our laws like you swore an oath
to do Governor! Illegal means illegal.
To RH2011: The Governor was not voted in to office to "make everyone
happy". He swore an oath to uphold our laws, and was elected by the people.
The vast majority of Utahns want illegals out of our state and are dead set
against amnesty. So while the Governor is in a tough spot when it comes to
keeping a small group of people happy, it IS his job to make tough decisions and
support the wishes of the people.It is time to get illegals out of
our state, and disallow any more from coming in to Utah. Utahns have spoken, and
it is time for the elected leaders to carry out the wishes of the people that
voted them into office.
I can't believe there are so many on here that think this is amnesty. What is
amnesty is allowing these people to live here without documentation which is
what all of you have been causing to happen because you won't allow legislation
to pass, unless it brutally and inhumanely forces people into an impoverished
country.Go ahead, be responsible for the death, crime, and poverty a
mass deportation would cause.Meanwhile, step up robo-calls, slander,
and make 'delegates' (who says they represent the people? They're all
party-liners) push against our politicians who are making a stand and trying to
move in a different direction than California and Arizona.Do you not
realize that recent polls show 71% of Utahns are in favor of this bill? It is
you guys that are in the minority. Stop trying to force your hand on what the
people of Utah want.
The illegals need to leave.
"RichardB" You're 100% correct. I have a real strong feeling that
the "guest worker" bill was passed SIMPLY to preserve the
"drivers privilage cards". The amnesty lobbyists WANTED those to stay
in place so the illegal trespassers could continue to operate vehicles.The
"guest worker" bill has so many loopholes, along with the fact that
its illegal on its face (federal govt. issue)that its pretty much useless
anyway.Why would one of our current "guest workers" bother
to sign up for it? Whats the upside for them? Pretty much nobody bothers them
anyway!Utahs lawmakers seem to think that illegal trespassers are
more important than actual voters!We may need to just keep voting
out "the same old" every two years until we get legislators who vote
for the interests of ACTUAL Utah citizens!Problem is: I think we've
only got between 4-6 yrs. until we are in the same predicament Kalifornia is!BTW - I also have signed the petition to the Guv. (for whatever good it
"Go ahead, be responsible for the death, crime, and poverty a mass
deportation would cause."So by that logic every time ICE
deports an illegal they should be held responsible for what happens to that
person in their country of origin?Never mind that the illegal
committed document fraud (a felony) in order to obtain employment and never mind
that they are probably using a stolen identity, destroying someones financial
future. Estimates are that upwards of 70% of illegals have committed these
crimes. That equates to millions of illegal criminals.Do you suggest
that illegals who have committed these crimes should not be held to at least the
same level of prosecution as U.S. Citizens? Do you suggest that illegals who
have committed these crimes should not be deported?I'm sorry but to
ignore the criminality rampant in the illegal community only goes to perpetuate
lawlessness and if not held in check will only breed more and more lawlessness.
The only answer to this problem is to enforce the law. Remove the
incentive that breeds the illegal activity and you, for the most part, will end
I posted incorrectly those who voted "YEA" to HB 116 in a earlier
post....Hopefully the DNEWS will allow me to correct myself:The following are your House of Representatives who did infact vote YEA
to HB 116:Anderson-TaylorsvilleArent-SLC MillcreekBarrus-CentervilleBriscoe-SLC Harv/YaleBird-West JordanBiskupski-SLC SugarhouseD. Brown-Sandy Butterfield-LoganChristensen-Santa ClaraCosgrove-MurrayDaw-OremDee-OgdenDraxler-LoganDuckworth-MagnaEdwards-North Salt LakeFisher-West Valley CityFisher-Fruit HeightsGalvez-West HavenHandy-LaytonHarper-West JordanHemingway-Olympus Cove SLCHendrickson-West ValleyHutchings-KearnsKiser-SandyLitvack-Downtown SLCLockhart-ProvoMcIff-RichfieldMenlove-GarlandMoss-Spanish ForkPainter-NephiPerry-Perry,
UtahPeterson-OgdenPeterson-OremPoulson-Cottonwood HeightsPowell-Heber CityRichardson-Pleasant GroveSagers-TooeleSeelig-Rose ParkVickers-Cedar CityWheatley-MurrayWebb-LoganWright-HoldenWiley-West Valley CityIn
Additon: the following voted like Obama in voting Present or Not Voting:Brown-Coalville, Dougall-American Fork, Froerer-Huntsville, Morley-Spanish
ForkVote these people out of office!
Here is a list of the Senators from Utah who voted YEA to HB 126 Adams Greiner McAdams Stowell
Bramble Hillyard Niederhauser Urquhart
Buttars Hinkins Okerlund Valentine
Christensen Jenkins Robles Van Tassell
Davis Jones Romero Waddoups
Dayton Liljenquist Stephenson, H. Goodfellow
Mayne Stevenson, J. NAYS 0 ABSENT 3 Knudson
Madsen Morgan Throw every encumbant out of OFFICE who
runs for Utah Senate! Clean Senate on these traitors to the people of Utah!
If illegal immigrants can spend $1000 to $2000 to get a waiver to ignore
immigration laws, what other laws can be overlooked for a fee?If I
give the government $1000 a year, can I ignore the speed limit on the
freeways?How about $500 to ignore red lights, can I do that too?Can I spend $15000 to set up a marijuana growing operation at my
house?In the middle ages this was called "sale of
The governor has now signed the immigration bills into law . What ever one
thinks of the legislation, given the threats he has received, one has to admire
I'm a Republican state delegate and I'll vote for Herbert again only if he signs
Herbert quickly signed this bill!I am a previous delegate and will
run again this year on a promise to vote against both Herbert and Hatch.If they are not part of the solution (enforcement!) then they are part
of the problem. Any form of amnesty is not an acceptable solution.Illegal immigration is the most serious problem facing our country today, and
despite agreeing with their position on many other issues, disagreement on this
one is paramount.ABH&H-2012!Anyone bu Hatch & Herbert
"Do you not realize that recent polls show 71% of Utahns are in favor of
this bill? It is you guys that are in the minority."Did you
know that the poll you are citing was released before HB116 was introduced? Did you also know that 30% of that 71% only somewhat supported the idea of a
guest worker program (meaning that they had some reservations about the idea).
I find it highly unlikely now that the facts of this bill have been
made known that you would find a majority of Utahns supporting it.
Hunt,No matter how you spin the poll results, it shows there is
direction in favor of what was passed. And of course the poll was taken before
the bill was passed. "duh, winning!" What good is a poll to
legislators after a vote on a bill? As for your previous post in
response to mine, no, I do not advocate criminal illegal immigrants, and
therefore support the parallel bill HB497 which says if they commit criminal
acts they will be deported by ICE.My problem with deportation is
Mass Deportation. Deporting 12-20 Million people at once would be absolute
chaos, and I will not support that kind of inhumanity. Deporting criminals and
others with criminal intent is a whole different issue.As for all of
you who blame illegals for breaking the law, stealing taxes, etc. ad nauseum,
how many of you don't pay sales and use taxes on the things you buy online?
Illinois estimates $153 Million in lost revenue from this problem. Anyway, it
doesn't matter now as the Guv just signed it into law.Time to show
the Feds that the States are the boss!
The hundreds of thousands leaving the frontier State of Arizona, will be
arriving on your doorstep. This will bloat your welfare system, emergency health
care, free education for their children and of course cramming into your
prisons. It will not end with just Arizona as many other States are realizing
the financial mess their in from economic illegal aliens,and will joining others
heading quietly for the State of Utah. If you haven't seen the terrible fiscal
chaos, the adjoining State of the Sanctuary State of California is in, just go
and investigate about the 24 billion dollar deficit.
Why so much anger and violence about a group of innocent, gentle people who were
just minding their own business until some people started attacking them? This
whole movement is straight from the devil and if we stub our collective toe over
this, it will serve us right!
@ Emophiliac - the argument "you're either with us or against us," is
false. It ignores all the other possibilities or opportunities of decision
making. It is like saying a person is either "bad" or
"good," when in reality we are a composit of both.You may
not agree with Governer Herbert on that issue, but you probably agree with him
on other issues but you have just chosen to overemphasize the one and forget the
others. As humans we have all sorts of reasons to emphasis our differences, but
we also need to remember our similarities - for it is there that we can relate
to one another. Making absolute black and white statements about
others, is a dangerous position to take, especially considering that by doing so
we are exposing ourselves to the same scrutiny.
send the illegals home,send the govener home to.hes suppose to represent us not
the deseret news is a morman owened bissnes that supports illegal mexicans that
work for the lds comunist party that i left because its false corrupt