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  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 11, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    KOC has a very interesting interview with Hoopsworld. He was quietly shopping DWill for some time. Probably before Sloan retired. Offers were made but the right players were not offered back.

    Remember that Sloan and KOC talked about a trade just before Sloan decided to retire. Losing DWill meant rebuilding and also sacrificing this season for a young big, a "adequate" PG and future picks. That is what KOC wanted in return for DWill for the long run future of the team.

    Sloan may not have felt he had the years of energy to rebuild?

    The collapse of the team and the coming lock out year seemed to determine the timing of the trade. NJ lost on Melo but had the right assets. NY and Landry Fields were an option for KOC if Melo did not go to NY.

    KOC coached for years. He seems to know what is needed to build a winner. Having the max tied up an a shooting PG may not be an option for Utah to win in the long run?

    Twin PFs with a good PG and a very good SG might.

    Hoopsworld assumes AK is going to NJ. (side deal?)

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 11, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    Love was hampered in his last game by the knee brace. Evans may give him trouble as Evans will be so much quicker. Favors can play against the back up and dominate.

    Evans can box out but I am not sure if the refs will give him any calls. He needs to practice his acting as Love will knock him into next week.

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    March 11, 2011 1:46 p.m.

    I would rather see Evans play the 3 coming off the bench. I think Favors should get the start, not Evans.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    March 11, 2011 2:17 p.m.

    It sounds like Jazz nation should be the coach, he always knows what to do and has every answer! I wonder if he has ever worn a jock? More than likely not!

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    March 11, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    re: Bugoff

    Have to agree with you about putting max money in a PG. How many teams win championships with their PG as their best go-to player? Maybe Isiah is the last I can even think that might fit that definition but he had alot of good role players around him when the bad boys won in detroit. I only wish we had guys that tough.

    Although I am suffering some serious withdrawal not being able to watch Deron and his talent, I do not miss watching his poor leadership take the team exactly no-where...and that is where they were going with his leadership. It just was not happening.

    I have to take issue thoughwith your comment about Evans boxing Love out. Love is now known as a rebounding machine by referees which is in large part because he is a hard worker, knows where the ball is going, and gets plenty of love from the refs.

    Evans better be ready to jump high because Love will have him pushed into the front row with Evans slight frame before Evans knows what is happening. I personally think Love will eat him up.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 11, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    They still got a chance, so maybe the season is not lost...They did learn that Harris and Watson together are not a wise choice...First the Jazz had one loopy big in Greg Ostertag, now history repeats itself with Fesenko..

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 11, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    Watson and Harris, I meant, are good together.

  • templarreborn Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2011 2:36 p.m.

    Is there another Pistol Pete Maravich out there? Go Jazz! Going small was a nice change against the Raptors. If we can't match up size wise, maybe we can run them to death! Don't forget the Dairy Queen after the Game.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    March 11, 2011 3:19 p.m.

    Poor decision to start Evans. Corbin should start AK at the 4 and CJ at the 3. He is so like Jerry. Start a guy who never plays when you can slide AK to the 4 and start CJ.

    Chalk up another lose tonight.

  • onewhoknows Providence, UT
    March 12, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    Stick a fork in them, they're done. I can't ever remember seeing a team fall so far so fast.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    March 12, 2011 7:34 a.m.

    Harwood is a better basketball player right now, as a rookie, than cj will ever be

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 12, 2011 8:14 a.m.

    The starters should have sat this one out. The bench got us back into the game then Corbin went back to the defenseless starters and allowed them to lose the game again. The lack of defensive effort by the veterans makes developing the rookies sound like the best option from here on out. Go Jazz! Go rookies!

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 12, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    Evans and Hayward looked good,the rest,already on vacation,first time as a Jazz fan I`m rooting for them to lose (higher pick and not going anywhere anyway) anything short of a 4 seed with home court is a sure 1st round exit,and no way we are getting to a 4 seed

  • dwillfan Provo, UT
    March 12, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    watching the jazz play this season has been incredibly frustrating. the playoff run is over, we all know that. the only thing left for these boys to play for is pride. jazz nation is a proud bunch and we are not happy with the way these guys are playing. we don't expect them to win, but we do expect them to hustle and play with heart. that's what we are accustomed too, what we expect, and what we deserve. plain and simple.

    my solution:
    replace o'conner with stockton. yeah, stockton. he's always had a knack for the game, has a danny ainge-like mentality, will have a good reason for his moves, and is loved by all in utah. corbin's a nice kid but lacks intensity and experience. bring in byron scott to coach. his iq of the game is off the charts and is highly respected among players.

    go jazz! here's hoping for a better "next" season.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    March 12, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Fans lets reflect some here. The start to this season should have been an indicator to what was ahead. Get way behind, rally and win a close game, time & time again. Lack of total effort game long was the reason. That followed by D-Will's marketing himself and his calling out players and coaches because it wasn't being done his way. His refusal to resign an extension and holding the Jazz organization hostage over what the "almighty" D-Will plans were. Disension on the team started right there. Sloan & Johnson quit, D-Will already had, and now the team is in turmoil. This is why the upcoming CBA contract is so important, just like the NFL's contract that is now screwed up. The NFL was all about how to distribute 7 billion dollars(of fans money mind you). Now I don't want a bunch of you saying it isn't fans money. These primma-donna players and owners get every penney they get from the fans and other citizens pockets. Subsidized stadiums, parking, over priced concessionaires, TV contracts, advertisor money, all paid by fans.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    March 12, 2011 10:02 a.m.

    ESPN used the term "dismantle" in profiling the loss. There appears to be no motivation. The core players appear to have "gotten rid of the 'wicked' witch" and now are coasting. There is still a "cancer" among the core group of players. D Will must still be in contact and creating turmoil out of "revenge". Corbin is like "Custer" just before Crazy Horse gave the order. The troops should be following Corbin and not "laughing at him" like he is the "towell sent down from the 'big house'". It is time to "clean house" before the new players are contaminated. Corbin deserves his "shot" with players that he can coach. I believe that something dramatic needs to be done again to show that Corbin is "in charge". Whatever the nature of the clique involved in "taking over the team", it wasn't just Williams, Jefferson has evidently been told to "put his game in his pocket".

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    March 12, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Going further about the above article, is that there isn't "1 penney" of income to these greedy slobs just mentioned above that isn't paid to them other than by the fan and only the fans! It's sickening and to think that we don't have a voice in their negoitiations. It's all about how are we going to split up the money we get from Mr. Joe Fan and citizen! I hope there is a 2 or 3 year lockout in both leagues and maybe MLB will be next! This is just like the political scene world wide we have been experiencing for many, many years. It's time this big business stuffing it to the little guy crap is stopped and what better place to start than something not required in a persons life than entertainment. This crap is not a life neccessity like food and shelter fans. Stand up and let these jerks know that! I'm sick of all of it!

  • allpurposeanimal salt lake, utah
    March 12, 2011 10:17 a.m.

    Hey dwillfan! Just want to let you know your player now plays for New Jersey.
    Go root for them!!! We need positivity not negativity. For those of you who can't read the writing on the wall--- Jazz are in a rebuilding phase. I for one will be patient and enjoy watching the young guys develope. Be patient or be frustrated those are the choices. You decide!!

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 12, 2011 11:05 a.m.

    I said it before and will say it again,the cancer is cj miles,if you`ll watch,he doesn`t take it seriously,it`s all funny,the game against NY he was laughing when he got yanked out,his laziness will infect everybody eventually,get rid of him and that`ll be a good start,I relly believe these youngsters we have want to succeed

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    March 12, 2011 11:14 a.m.

    Yes you've got it right "allpurposeanimal". The Jazz are rebuilding again. They maxed their potential in 1997-1998 seasons. What else can anyone with a lick of sense expect; a couple of years one step from two championships. Jordan was the insurmountable obstacle in those years. I'll always have the image in my mind of Mike Jordan standing on top of the scorers table in the Delta Center with the cigar in his chops, crowing about the win in the one series last game.

    KOC cannot be objectively criticized by anyone with half a brain about the moves the Jazz have made. We can just have half a heart with the Utah Jazz at Chicago team with Boozer, Brewer and Korver now on their roster. With the NFL on a lockout, look for the NBA to do the same. These prima dona players are screwing up the leagues, just like the government employees doing the same with their convoluted union demands, bankrupting the country.

    A complete housecleaning over time will probably be good for the Jazz, and tough for the fans. I am for it. AK is next, and hopefully Fesenko. Obviously AK belongs in NJ.

    Go Jazz.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    March 12, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    AK and Bell continue to be black holes.

    Management sided with dwill in his feud with sloan.
    That is why sloan quit, he was afraid of being fired.
    Management then deals dwill.
    No wonder the team has quit.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 12, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    KOC is the cancer...What do we have now, but a team that resembles the Cleveland Cavaliers...These guys just do not get up for the games...We have several soft players in Kirilenko, Okur and Miles...We are going nowhere, but if we have the same poor management, we are going to get the same ineffectual talent brought into the Jazz organization.

  • Led Zeppelin II Bountiful, UT
    March 12, 2011 12:34 p.m.

    @Sokol. I have been saying the same thing for years. KOC is the problem. I would rather have Isiah Thomas than KOC. Well almost! But Charles Barkley should be da man. Sir Charles loves the Jazz and Utah and I think he would do just great.
    I hate how KOC experimented with the SG position the whole time he has been here. What really insults the SG position is he experiments it with High School hopelesses. First it was Deshawn Stevenson, than C.J. Miles. Than he tries back up players like Korver and Bell.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 12, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    He would be a great GM....Fire the obvious reason for the demise of the Jazz, KOC.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 12, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    Dear Anonymous ask yourself who would watch regular joe's play b-ball?

    The prima dona's are the reason for the league, they are the draw, otherwise you have churchball.

    You also mentioned how the gov't employees are also the bane of our existence when last time I checked those are firemen, policemen, school teachers, I am wondering how you plan to do without these or if you just love to whine.

    KOC has this team packed with talent right now. Prior to Williams beginning this season he said they were a better team than last year. The Jazz have suffered through some heavy issues with Okur and his $10 M sitting on the bench, that would be like asking the Lakers to win without Odom.

    For whatever reason Deron quit on the team and as captain the rest of the team followed him thinking it was okay to play in a funk. It's not okay. Current coaching group needs to get their act together or move on. As fans we want to see hustle, heart, the team has talent, motivate them or get out of the way so somebody can.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 12, 2011 2:05 p.m.

    Okur is done, a cooked Turkey...He should retire.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 12, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    Wonder if we as fans ought to call these guys out...Another words, they do not have the effort, heart and demeanor to win...Stop with the excuses they are just not good enough. They seem to have no pride. I think this concept is lost on the Russian Kirilenko...He is just so happy to be making millions, so why try anymore...Masha has her boutique, Okur has his model, Harris is disinterested in trying.

  • Jazzguru Provo, UT
    March 12, 2011 2:27 p.m.

    No fight, no pride. Plain and simple. The Jazz players that were in uniform Friday were head and shoulders better than the Wolves. The Jazz just play no defense, and do not have a lot of fight in them. I will not even waste my time watching tonight. I hope the Jazz can at least take some steps to start making progress toward the future. Maybe CJ will show up 10 games from now again.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 12, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    Miles is no stud muffin...He is soft to the core, but might have the most talent..What a shame! You would think every year, he would get closer to being
    a go to guy..but no he just wastes his talent.

  • ohplease springfield, il
    March 12, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    You people need to get your heads out of the sand and quit blaming Deron.His frustration was with the lack of talent on the team, and it should be obvious to even a blind person that the Jazz are now devoid of talent because management gave all the talent away. Sloan knew it and DWill knew it. By the way, when your heads come out of the sand, put a paper bag over them because that's how ugly the Jazz are playing.

    Furthermore, the Nets have a better chance of making the playoffs this year than do the Jazz. You reap what you sow.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 12, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    I'm so tired of naysayers blaming one person, CJ Miles, as a sole CA (cancer) on this Jazz squad. Such ignorance. Barry Bonds was a huge locker room CA as we ALL know. SF Giants dang near won the 2002 WS and guess what? It surely wasn't Barry Bonds fault. Poor coaching and pitching doomed them in the end. Now, stop calling out one player for heavens sake. Since when did CJ Miles have that much power? A guy making 3.7 mil has that much pull in the locker room? Seriously Great one? If this is the sole reasoning for the Jazz's demise right now, wow--I must be way out in right field. The Jazz have so MANY internal issues right now. Last time I checked it took 5 guys to play DEFENSE. CJ has been a problem no doubt but by far their only serious issue. Harris is already proving he is about giving us one good game in 3-5. He is no where in the same league as DWill. He's showing his true colors-not the answer KOC. Still no shooting guard. No defense. I can go on and on.

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 12, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    @ohplease--guess what buddy, your right. Sad to say but your right. Just maybe both DWill (I'm not stupid as I know he copped attitude--who in the NBA doesn't, to a degree?) and Coach Sloan knew a lot more than all of us....this franchise was going no where fast. In my line of work it all starts at the top and trickles down folks--most things are set up this way. One must be an example upon high and then lead. We don't have that--not even close. I'm not saying we couldn't get it back but that will require change, restructure and a lot more strength/heart/honor.

    Ohplease, with DWill in the line up Nets would beat us down hard right now. Sad, but not denying it as we don't understand basic fundamentals of basketball. The highest level one can get and we are having to post about heart, pride, respect and just having fun playing the fundamentals of bball. What a waste of time. Sorry y'all I'm clearly frustrated after last night's loss. My bad.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 12, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    Millesr should have given D Will the raceway park.

  • Al Bundy murray, ut
    March 12, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    The Jazz need some solid outside shooters like Korver. Some slashers like Mathews and Brewer, A stud point guard like Williams, wait they had that. Even if we lose Mathews to big money, replacing Boozer with Big Al and keeping the other guys? I think that would have worked better and just maybe that was why D-Will was upset? By the way all those mentioned above are doing very well with there new teams! Jazz east as I call the Bulls may win the whole thing?

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 12, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    @ One vote--LOL. nice post....

    @ Al Bundy-Bulls have a great shot and what's interesting is that everyone is happy on their new respective teams--even Matthews. They have some great talent and just acquired Wallace-great pick-up. Interesting; no one will miss the Jazz. Things are different and so far it has not been an uplifting experience. We will see. I don't blame the players, attitude and all, for not wanting to play in Utah. Something is not right as this is not quantum physics....a mix of KOC and Greg, I don't know. Something is not right, though. Very sad. If we think we are going places with Harris, Price, CJ, Bell, Fess, Elson, Watson, Okur, AK and AJ we are sorely mistaking. I will give Hayward, Evans and Favors a break b/c their rookies. Not sure what to think of Millsaps role. Many believe he could be a trading chip for a SG--not sure how I feel about that. We will see..

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 12, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    KOC cut out the biggest cancer on this team,when he sent d-will a packin,that`s right golfer boy,a cancer,but he missed a little chunk,cj miles,the 4 million dollar cancer who if not dealt with will infect the rest of this team.Harris will be just fine as he learns the system,and we will be better than NJ now and next year,and could beat them now easily.williams goneski...miles will soon be gone,good riddance to both of them

  • gizmo33 St. George, Utah
    March 12, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    Im falling a sleep reading this article Im not a jazz fan and never will be dont hold your breath waiting for a championship to come to the jazz - it will never happen

  • Utah Jazz fan Chris Clearfield, UT
    March 12, 2011 6:35 p.m.

    After this season they need to get Harrison Barnes and Kemba Walker!!! Get rid of Harris because he's lazy, and I don't know how you "jazz fans" like him?

  • fan29 Orem, UT
    March 13, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    Lot's of long comments. Bottom line this team sucks. No leader, No go to guy. Time to let KOC go. Planning for the future in the NBA is a joke. These players today play for themselves, they worry about their own future not the teams future. Management needs to change long term thinking and just worry about NOW, and Now is a lost cause this year!!!!

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    March 13, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    the real reason why we have a crappy season is Al Jefferson...the dude has a curse on him or something...havent you noticed...before he got here...we were a playoff team...when he got here...we lost it...lol...KOC should've tried getting David West and Marcus Thornton...

  • JK Regina, Saskatchewan
    March 14, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    TO GREAT HOUDINI....

    we loose to a 17 - 51 team by 21 points and i'm wondering how is it that we could beat NJ easily??....your dislike of Dwill has clouded your perspective...the Jazz will continue to be a lottery team with the underwhelming Harris running the point..

  • amgolfer San Francisco, CA
    March 14, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    @Houdini-enough of the "golfer boy" comment. Getting old. Again, you are clearly missing the big picture. It's a team sport not an individual sport. Not sure what you don't understand. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks your posts are irrelevant. Stop stirring the pot about the whole CJ thing. We have a lot more issues than that. I'm glad you think Harris will take us all the way. He is average at best Houdini. It was a big loss losing DWill. I didn't like his attitude but maybe, just maybe he had a legit reason for not wanting to sign long-term. Most players probably wouldn't have. He wants to win and every all-star needs a great supporting cast as Jordan and Kobe have had. Go Jazz.