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  • josemb navotas, philippines
    March 7, 2011 6:27 p.m.

    the rout has started. lol. after this road trip the jazz will be below .500 and way out of playoff picture. what an end to a promising season. silver lining? we may get a high draft pick in addition to the draft pick from the Nets. the future looks good on paper. but corbin's coaching style could be a problem. he doesn't seem to demand any effort from his players and he praise them any chance he gets, even if they lose games they should've won. losing could be in the jazz's agenda the next 3 years.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:01 p.m.

    Painful. Shooting guards who can't shoot.

  • SportsFan101 Bountiful, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    The Jazz back court is embarrassingly terrible. I can't see any upside. CJ is the biggest joke in town. 3-13 or something and 2-3 he made were in the last two minutes. On top of that he cannot come close to guarding the elites of his position which happens to also be the elites of the NBA. He needs to go. Favors has huge upside. Start him the rest of the season and let Millsap rest. Nothing against Paul, but no use in him hurting himself more.

    The guards have no offense. Harris is a decent player but nowhere near the caliber of what we lost. Might as well start Hayward to give him some confidence and quality time over bell. Bell can not score and is getting to old to even play his rock solid D. Give the youngsters experience, and use the draft wisely. Trade picks for proven guards if needed, instead of taking major risks. Only upside of this team is Kirelinko's expiring contract and the quality of our front court. We still need a solid center, as Al can't do it all. Go Jazz. Good Luck.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:13 p.m.

    ouch..not the Knicks

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    Al Jefferson had a good offensive game. Favors, Evans, Watson, and Hayward played pretty good. The rest were now shows due to injurys or what ever reasons. The young guys need to play and develop because the most promising thing about the Jazz team is in the future after this season.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    Typo error. I meant to say no shows. Sorry

  • scodyshootfight KC, MO
    March 7, 2011 8:17 p.m.

    Well, it looks like the Jazz went through one too many trials to overcome this year. Losing your hall of fame coach and star player and suffering all these people being out of the lineup. The biggest problem though, has been the imbalance of the roster. AJ, PMill, Memo, Favors all really at the same position, and having to choose between CJ and Raja at the two.

    For next years, the Jazz have some great assets, especially with AK's contract coming off the books. They will have to make the very tough decision of choosing between AJ and Millsap. AJ will play much better if he can play at the 4. I say give Millsap up to Phoenix for Gortat and package some draft picks and cash for two shooters. A couple of moves for next year and they could be great, but they proved tonight that it's not in the cards for them this year with their pathetic balance and shooting guards

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:22 p.m.

    The Jazz are not a very good team right now and I don't see a whole lot to get excited about. Big Al played well but he's about the only one. There are no leaders on this team. The guard line is pretty terrible and although Favors has potential he has alot of work to do. I've always tried to be patient and hope for the best but there's really not much to be positive about.
    I think Fes will be out of here after this season, we need to trade CJ and try to something for him, Price is scrappy and tough but his shooting is poor at best, he needs to be replaced. Bell needs to be a leader from the bench or be traded. AK, I love what he brings to the game but he can't stay healthy. Elson needs to be replaced. Half the team needs to be replaced.
    Keep Big Al, Favors, Milsap, Hayward, Harris, Watson and try to trade or release the rest.
    We definitely will be in the lottery and have 2 picks, the problems is this is a very weak draft.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:26 p.m.

    We have fallen a long way in the last twelve months. Letting Matthews, Korver, Boozer, and now Williams go even though the argument is that we "had to" has taken this team to the bottom of the NBA. It is going to be a long hard road back, we get worse with every passing month. I wonder how much it is going to cost when attendance drops off dramatically as more and more fans throw in the towel on this season and the next. Don't tell me how we are going to get draft picks to make it up, if draft picks worked the Clippers would be reigning champs the last ten years, instead they are the reigning chumps. I like Corbin but he isn't the guy to take this team anywhere but down to the basement, we need someone who will kick a few butts, the mailman may be the one to deliver on that. He won't pat slackers on the back, he will get them to play or show them the door.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:29 p.m.

    I hope NJ doesn't play well enough to jump up past those ahead of them in the standing, I think they are 3 or 4 games behind, I hope we can keep their pick at the number 6 spot and the way we're playing we could drop to were we have the 12th or even the 11th pick. KOC needs to shake this team up and go for the rebuilding mode.
    Corbin needs to play the young ones and give them a chance to develop.

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    Embarrassing? I'd say so. I am not sure why Bell hasn't taken himself out yet! Hayward should be starting. Harris, Miles, and Bell were 0-19 at one point. Isn't a shooting guard supposed to know how to shoot.

    Start Harris, Hayward, Evans, favors, and Jefferson. Rest Millsaps knee and give the rookies some PT to get ready for next season.....if we have one

  • JazzMan Centerville, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:30 p.m.

    By the time I got home the Jazz were already down by 18 so I didn't bother to watch. Checking the box score I see Miles had his usual stellar shooting night (sarcasm) 3-14 and 2-8 on 3's. Too bad we don't have a shooting guard who can actually shoot. And someone who could actually defend a 3 point shot would be nice since we're wishing.

  • Utah Jazz fan Chris Clearfield, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    The problem is that Utah doesn't know how to pick people! Watch, they'll pick up a big white european guy as the new jersey pick and with the lottery pick Jimmer. He's a great shooter but speed with eat him up. BAD! He won't be able to guard guys like D-Rose or Darren Collison.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:36 p.m.

    With Favors hopefully the future at PF, Milsap is probably our best chip in trying to make a trade, I like the idea of Gortat and maybe even a draft pick for Paul. We definitely need some shooters both at the 2 and the 3. Hayward, I think will be OK. Give him as much PT as possible.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    March 7, 2011 8:37 p.m.

    Wouldn't you know it. The Jazz will have 2 lottery picks, and there is nothing to pick. Wow!

  • gazelle Murray, UT
    March 7, 2011 8:38 p.m.

    I agree Millsap is obviously hurt he needs to sit and heal. It has been to the point of hurting the team. But again this team cannot catch a break. Favors is great but he fouled out in less then 25 minutes, fesenko was out again, and elson was hurt.

    The team is banged up obviously they need to bring some BODY in at the very least before this team runs into the ground.

    Still trying to be positive. Who really thought they would beat New york anyways? Favors will get his shot. You can see it unfolding like magic. Same thing happened with Matthews just happening to him a bit later. WATCH OUT.

    Go Jazz

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 7, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    Corbin has changed the offense so that it revolves around AJ and his strengths. However, that change may have accented the weakness of the SG/SFs. However, one of AK or Hayward usually play well. So the major problem is the shooting of the SGs. It was a weakness before. Now it is a major weakness.

    There has to be additional changes in both offensive design and personnel. The offense also has to be designed for Harris or he has to be replaced with the ideal PG for the new offense.

    Favors just needs time to develop. The Jazz have NO need of Gortat or any player like him. They do need ONE insurance big and that will probably be Okur if he recovers or a draftee like Cantor.

    The Jazz may keep AK depending on cost. They probably keep Hayward and give him a year to develop his shooting. They should keep Millsap, Evans and Watson as they produce well for the money they cost.

    That leaves a lot of money to build a great bench with players who are ideal for Corbin's offense (which is he is not thru building).

    The biggest problem is the defense.

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    March 7, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    Without AK Jazz can't hold ground. AK always MVP.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 7, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    I do not think you can judge Corbin as a coach until the end of next year. He is stuck with a poorly designed team that Sloan/KOC put together. AND then KOC/Miller traded his best player (a true top 10 player).

    At least give Corbin credit for getting the max out of AJ. That was not happening with Sloan. Corbin has NO shooters. Favors does not know the offense and probably will not for another year. So far he looks great.

    A rotation of AJ/Favors/Millsap will be as good as any in the NBA. If Okur or Cantor is backing that up you have a great front line.

    KOC has this summer to fix the SG and maybe the PG but I suspect that Harris will stay and play better as time goes on.

    Corbin's offense has been decent (not great) but should be much better next year.

    The most crucial question is the defense. Sloan did not have a good defense for the last 5 years. This current defense is bad.

    I am not sure how that gets fixed but personnel changes are an obvious place to start. Get role players who fit.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 9:01 p.m.

    I hope there isn't a lock out, a lock out would really weaken this draft, I hope the Jazz try to bring Tomic over, he is long, tall and has a good offense game but I'm not sure about his D. He very well could get pushed around alot in the NBA. Although Fes is suffering with back spasms now Corbin wasn't using him much anyway and so I don't think he or Elson should be counted on as players in the Jazz future. We need a center that is tough, mobile and can contribute on both ends. I think Gortat would be a good pick up if we could get him, which I doubt we could. The Suns just barely got him and I think they like him. Maybe we could get Kaman.

  • Not So Fast Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    I keep hearing Greg Miller and KOC say right after the D-Will trade: "This gives us a chance to be competitive now and also build for the future."

    Competitive now? Really? With who other than Sacramento at home in OT?

  • Utah Jazz fan Chris Clearfield, UT
    March 7, 2011 9:25 p.m.

    If Kirilenko is gone then they should get Harrison Barnes (North Carolina) or Perry Jones (Baylor). Barnes has the ability to take over game and Jones can play both SF and PF also with great size. If both gone, then get Terrence Jones (Kentucky) or Derrick Williams (Arizona).

    One more thing, maybe get Jimmer with the lottery pick. Jazz can make more money off his jersey sales.

  • fan29 Orem, UT
    March 7, 2011 9:32 p.m.

    Today in Professional Sports you play for NOW!! There is no future in Pro Sports today. Players don't stay in one place anymore. Management is looking to the future, that's a joke. Even if Favors becomes a star, which I have my doubts about, he will up and leave also if the Jazz management doesn't bring in some talent. You just don't trade a all-star, they don't come along everyday!!

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    March 7, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    aj pmill favors should make a good rotation by next year. by the time favors is good enough millsap contract will be up . it will work it"s self out. all three should be fun to watch for the next couple of years what ain't is all the bench in at the end of the game some who don't ever get to play and who is clunking it up every shot? same one who clunk's it up every night

  • doc33 Las Vegas, NV
    March 7, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    Ty Corbin is now 2-8 after 10 games. There are 18 games left which should give Jazz fans an idea of what kind of basketball we will be seeing now that KOC and Greg Miller has given Corbin a 3 year contract. Why wasn't this done on an interim basis? I mean, Ty Corbin wasn't going anywhere.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    March 7, 2011 9:43 p.m.

    talk about an off-night...CJ was just 1-10...im not saying its CJ's fault...its the fault of the entire team...even if there are bright spots...like favors and Al Jeff...its a team game...so i blame the team for the loss...

    @Utah Jazz fan Chris
    Harrison Barnes is a good prospect but i think he needs one more year in college...Perry Jones is an Athletic Big...but with the log jam on the 4...we should let one or two go...Derrick Williams is my bet...since i think the Jazz is committed to Devin Harris...i think they are also interested in Kanter..

    @josemb
    how many games has he logged in as a coach? judge him next year...when he gets a full year of coaching...with training camps...there are coaches who gets it right of the bat...there are coaches who gets good in time...so give the guy a break...he isnt the one out there to execute the plays right?...he calls them...and let the guys execute...so if you are going to bash someone...make it the entire team...they themselves lost it...

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    March 7, 2011 9:51 p.m.

    Yaawn...

    Can we just fast forward to June 23rd when we can use the 5th pick on Jimmer?

    Then fast forward to 2014 when he and the #9 pick Haward will lead Utah to a NBA championship.

  • duke5 vancouver, wa
    March 7, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Good grief, what a performance.

    AK: 4 points and 0 rebounds
    Millsap: 4 points and 2 rebounds
    CJ: 3 of 14
    Nice game guys!

    Did AJ say he was excited to come to Utah because they had a great team?

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    March 7, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    @scodyshootfight

    i like your idea of the trade...we could probably get Josh Childress and Gortat and a second round pick for Millsap and Ronnie Price...another trade in mind is...trading Millsap and Price for Delfino or CDR and Larry Sanders and a pick...we could try to trade Millsap to New Orleans if David West goes to another team...trading him for Trevor Ariza and probably a first or second round pick?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:05 p.m.

    I like Milsap, but if Favors is the future and Big Al is a keeper, Paul is our best trading chip, we need more help. Last year we needed PF's now with Big Al and Favors we need 2's & 3's & a center, Paul is the best chip we have to get someone of value. A lot of teams will like to get Paul because he is a worker and I appreciate that but he is undersized and we have needs that we may only be able to get by giving him up in a trade. Tomic isn't having the kind of year that makes me think he is a sure thing and the draft picks are going to be rookies that will probably have to develop.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 7, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    @Chris As long as the Jazz have a top 5 pick they will get a player who will really help them. If they have 2 picks in the top 7-10 they get a lot better fast.

    I do not expect this team to make the playoffs. The defense is too bad and the outside shooting is too erratic/bad.

    The Jazz shot .45 (FGs) and .26% (3s). The Jazz were built on efficiency. They are extremely inefficient. If they are inefficient they can't out score other teams. The bad defense only makes it a lot worse.

    The inefficiency was in the guards Bell 2-7, Harris 0-7, CJ 3-14, Watson 3-9. The inside players were efficient. AJ-17-26, AK 2-2, Favors 6-11, Evans 2-4.

    The 2 exceptions were Millsap 2-6 (hurt) and Hayward 4-5 (good).

    Favors, CJ and Bell did rebound pretty well.

    Fix the efficiency problem or the Jazz are the Nets of the West. AJ may put up all star numbers but the team will lose.

    NYK shot .56 (FGs) and .50 (3s). That speaks volumes about the defense. 109 points will win most games.

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    March 7, 2011 10:16 p.m.

    Big Al, I tip my hat to you!! I'm sorry you came here with so much hope and anticipation to be able to be on a playoff contender and things are not working the way you hoped so far. You deserve better than this bug guy!! I hope the Jazz can put some people around Big Al and teach them to play defense so that he will see his dream come true. It's just not going to happen the way things are presently constituted.

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    I'm pretty sure this will be the weakest draft for 25 years due to lockout so not making the playoffs is an awful strategy.

    Not really much hope for this team if you're relying on draft picks. A lot of lotto picks have been people with potential, like Favors. But those types of picks need ironing and most of the time don't work out.

    Harris isn't as good as I thought he was. Hopefully I'm wrong.
    And I'm sick of CJ and Raja. Either play with some consistency or don't play them at all. Hayward's the most consistent out of the two defensively and offensively.

    I'd like to see Harris, Hayward, Evans, Favors, AJ play at the same time. That right there is a great lineup.

  • concerned jazz fan Park City, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:29 p.m.

    the Jazz are done

  • cedar Holladay, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:30 p.m.

    wow, be glad we have a major league team. quit complaning. i would follow even if we only won a few games. maybe if we can gt tomic to come over and break the ice with him and he likes the usa we will have another nice piece. now he is used to being home there and i think he is scared to come here. ak is so pronbe to gtet hurt we should have traded him and got rid of the big contract this year for money to get free agents. for the right bucks they will come.
    thanks.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:53 p.m.

    Honestly, did jazz nation expect anything less? Or the real question is do they expect anything more?

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:54 p.m.

    Evans hasn't shown he can play the 3 yet, I hope he will show he can but so far I haven't seen anything to tell me he can. He needs to show he can put the ball on the floor and attack, I've seen him hit a few outside shots and his shot looks OK but I haven't seen him attack off the dribble.

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    March 7, 2011 10:57 p.m.

    Quit talking about Tomic, Gortat, and Okur. Besides Gasol what other Euro big guy is tough and can lead a team in defense in the paint? The Jazz need to package Okur and a first round draft pick for Bogut. I'd gladly give up our NJ pick this year for him and rid ourselves of Okur.

    KOC bring in Bogut.

    Harris, Hayward, AK, Jefferson, and Bogut is solid next year.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 7, 2011 11:17 p.m.

    There is no need to trade Millsap. Favors will match up with just about any PF in the NBA. AJ has turned into an all star beast. All he needs is an SG. The rotation of AJ/Favors/Millsap is great. Add in Kanter and you have a dynamite front court. Or add in Okur and you are good.

    Gortat made sense last year but there is no need for him now. I would much rather have Kanter.

    If you get AK for 6 mill and Okur for 4 or trade him that leaves a lot of money for a couple of very good SGs. Besides the Jazz may draft a decent SG.

    I am not worried about the SG. KOC will get 2.

    I am worried about the defense. This team has yet to demonstrate that it even knows the meaning of the word.

    Aside from Watson the bench is bad. That has to be addressed with role players who actually fit their roles well.

    Sloan had pets. He did a horrible job on the bench. Miller is going to demand production. NO more projects. The Sloan basket ball school is done.

    Draft talent. Trade for high picks.

  • Johnson72 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 11:41 p.m.

    Looks like bugaway and Coach todd should just tell the Millers how to run there orginazation, they seem to have all the answers, what to do?... I've only lived just a couple of miles rom the Delta Center ever since it opened.. and probably know more about the jazz then the 2 of them together, and yes I have been to Many upon Many of games.. Live 5 minutes walking from there.

  • chiefbrady Salt Lake City, UT
    March 7, 2011 11:46 p.m.

    Simply pathetic. These millionaires aren't hustling and are certainly no fun to watch. Good luck getting me to buy a seat in the ESA.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 8, 2011 12:05 a.m.

    I agree Defense is the biggest concern but keeping Okur is not the way to fix the D. Big Al is doing a pretty good job of blocking shots but his pick & roll D is poor and Big Al is undersized for the center position. I would like to see a center that is not a project. I don't know much about Kanter but he is an unproven rookie at best. I'm not saying we should trade Milsap because I don't like him, I do like him, he's tough and he works hard. He is however probably our best trading chip. Tomic could probably be a backup to Favors and Big Al, we need one or two proven shooters at the 2 & 3 spot and Paul gives us the best chance to get them or he could be used to get us a true center.
    Johnson72: What's your point? Tell what you think. Usually your pretty negative. Give us some of your thoughts.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    March 8, 2011 1:21 a.m.

    Captain L that may have been your best post ever, we have found harmony tonight in total agreement on every point.

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    March 8, 2011 1:34 a.m.

    To Johnson 72 comment hee hee....right. I know nothing about the Jazz, and he is an expert lives 5 minutes away. Funny I saw no answers from you though,

    Bugoff: Well wrong again., Favors, Millsap and AJ for a front line is a flat out terrible terrible idea...The Jazz need a wing who can shoot, a small forward to create. They need a bigger, athletic 2 guard who can play D. They need a center that can intimidate, rebound and box out. Tomic? Okur? Unbelievable. Corbin needs time? He has been on the bench for years and knows exactly what the Jazz have done, the good and the bad.

    It is on him he cannot be his own man, because he thinks just like Jerry which I was afraid of. When people mentioned to me when Sloan left "be careful what you wish for' could not be more true.

    He still refuses to guard up on people. Even Harpring all night mentioned how the Jazz do not get after the shooter. No one since Matt left has known how to defend the 3.

    Millsap and CJ are biggest trade bait and both need to be moved.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    March 8, 2011 6:09 a.m.

    DWill always claimed the Jazz did not have the talent to play fun and gun with PHO/NYK etc. This game looks like a coaching/PG mistake (like the DET loss) where the Jazz played at the PHO/NYK pace. That means they are jacking up shots and are not back on transition D.

    @Johnson You probably do know more than Todd and Me together. Do you have any insights on how to make things any better? You get a different perspective of the game if you watch it live. All those tickets must have translated into something useful (other than paying salaries).

  • redcliffs Ivins, Utah
    March 8, 2011 6:21 a.m.

    @Johnson72.
    That's pretty funny. I live within walking distance of an Albertsons so maybe they should make me the company President.:)

  • md Smithfield, UT
    March 8, 2011 6:35 a.m.

    Keep: Favors, Harris, Jefferson, Milsap, Price, Evans, Watson

    Trade for a sandwich in the offseason: Fesenko (let go), CJ (horrible), Bell (you can't go back to the days you were good), Hayward (should have been drafted #35), Okur (stick a fork in him- love him, but he is done).

    Draft a shooter. No one on this team can shoot from more than 5 feet away!

  • forgetyourself Layton, UT
    March 8, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    I think the Jazz should think about developing the younger guys. Sit Paul down and let Favors get some playing time along with Gordon. I also think that the plays being run by Corbin are lacking flexibility. I hope that this is not the end of the of the heart of this team. I wish that they could continue to try to improve even if they miss the playoffs.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    March 8, 2011 7:46 a.m.

    Favors does a pretty good job defending as he comes out and guards til the PG can recover. That ia basic and he learned the lesson that AJ missed as did Millsap and Fes. Elson also covers D for a big man.

    CJ and Price have shot themselves in the foot and have proven to be not helpful enough to justify themselves with the Jazz, the same may also be said of Fes.

    The thing about the Jazz is they are dreadful at shooting, anyone know who the shooting coach is?

    Devin Harris had an off night and with this group he has been undeservingly fileted.

    Bell who was hired for his shot and tenacious defense has been a no show. the team has yet to develop its own identity since Sloan left. this roadtrip against easier teams should hae been an opportunity to come together but it seems that might not end up being the case.

  • Utah Jazz fan Chris Clearfield, UT
    March 8, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    Its "funny" to listen to these people!

    "Lets get rid of Boozer" DONE
    "Lets get rid of Williams" DONE
    And now people want to get rid of Millsap. What kind of fans are U? Then later get rid of Jefferson and Kirilenko. Do you know what! Just get rid of everybody just to make you guys happy!

  • MR Draper, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    Trading guys like CJ is a great idea. Problem is, other GMs aren't dumb. They've seen him play, they know his stats. Scouts have researched him and know his few strengths and many weaknesses. No one wants him.

  • gazelle Murray, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:10 a.m.

    I love the "we could do this or we could that" Sure we could do a lot of things with our basketball trading cards. With all due respect and I understand it is just conversation but the last time I checked this is the Miller's team being run by a bunch of professionals. Nothing is going to happen tell the summer. Sure it is not pretty but this is the only Team we have to cheer for.

    UNLESS.....

    Keven makes a 2 Guard. Where technology is these day's I am in complete disbelief that he has not thought of that yet. He should be fired !!

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    March 8, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    Wow. That was ugly. On the up side, if there is one, Favors got to play and played well. Too bad Al being a beast wasn't enough either.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Best thing that could happen,hoping Houston passes us also,with our picks and Corbin cutting the dead weight we can start fresh next year,Favors and Hayward looked good, a positive

  • evanston Evanston, WY
    March 8, 2011 8:33 a.m.

    Down 23. Anthony has dropped 25 on you. You are 1-10. And you are laughing on the bench. CJ......

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Capt,funny you are all of a sudden saying what I`ve been saying,why the sudden turn around?

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    Trade Millsap and we`ll regret it,Favors is unproven,mark my word,we`ll regret the day we dump Paul

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 8:56 a.m.

    @ Johnson 27 maybe you should be the coach

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    The Jazz are being totally overwhelmed on the court simply because they do not have the pieces to compete. Okur is probably finished, but certainly should not come back this season. Players like Kirilenko, and Millsap are injured (back and knees). This club is one or two steps above D League. It didn't matter whether or not Matthews were retrospectively signed by the Jazz; it wouldn't have made any difference. As I've observed ad nauseum, the Jazz don't have the athletes on their roster; lack big men who can make a difference, and all the rest of it. It's just too long of a list to get into, as to the deficiencies they have. Commissioner Stern and his brain trust, along with the owners have got to address the problems with the marginal and noncompetitive teams, or this league will emplode; too many teams for the calibre of talent in the pool. It's not about coaching, it's about the players and the owners grappling for who is running this league. Right now this league is running along a road next to a cliff. I just hope they can right the ship. Go Jazz.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    Neither fun nor competitive anymore.

    I betcha Jimmer could outshoot Bell all day long and twice on Sunday, yes Sunday.

  • Fred704 Westwood, NJ
    March 8, 2011 9:28 a.m.

    I am a long-time (over 15 years) Jazz fan currently living in NJ. Since the D-Will trade, it's the first time I feel that watching the Nets is more exciting than watching the Jazz. But I do think Corbin is not a bad coach. Other than talents on the defensive end, the Jazz are desperately in need of a good defensive coach or scheme.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    I think it would be appropriate to boo the heck out of C J Miles when he returns to the Energy Solutions arena. This guy is getting paid to play basketball and has tanked it since his buddy D Will left. Maybe they should just leave him in New York. Houdini has been right all along about this child.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    March 8, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    I would like to know more about the progress of Tomic. He was in Summer camp with the Jazz and belongs to them. He is continuing to play in Europe. He is another of those tall Eastern Europeans.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 9:53 a.m.

    @ B Russ,but remember,miles is a "bargain" at only 4 million per year

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    March 8, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Those of you chanting "de-fence" at Jazz games--save your breath. It's going to be a few years before we have any of that defense stuff on our team. We made the Knicks look amazing last night--even their backup point guard!

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    March 8, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    Jazz, it is time to go big! Start Favors and Jefferson and allow Milsap to come off the bench. He is injured and gives the bench a huge spark. He stil will get 25+ a game but Favors and Al give the Jazz a huge big front line advantage over most teams. AK has been solid at the 3 and I sure hope he comes back at a reduced salary. Biggest problem is an outside shooter. Miles gets hot but is streaky at best. The season is a bit lost right now so get some new guys some expierence.

    So where do the Jazz go in the draft. I hate to say it but they really do need a shooter and ball handler. Harris is ok but not the PG of the future and certainly not a good shooter. Who is the best shooter in the draft? Probably Jimmer. Not sure you use a 7 pick on him though. If he is still there a late lottery pick would make sense. Still based on needs of the organization the Jazz really need someone that can hit a 3 consistently at 40+ percent.

  • Vince the boonies, mexico
    March 8, 2011 10:24 a.m.

    You know fans it's completely laughable regarding your comments! Last year it was Korver and Boozer were terrible defensive players, now this year it's everyone. Well this year Korver & Booze are playing defense, the difference is the coach and the system for playing defense is the "right" way. Just watch our players on defense some night fans and you will see how "not" to play defense. I believe Corbin will change this fiasco but not until next year when it is truly his team. Quite frankly it takes more abilities to play offense than defense. Defense is all about effort and the right system and we haven't had that here since coach Sloan took over. Game films are available on every game played in this league, so it's no secret how other teams defend one another, so why don't we watch some film coaching staff? Oh well.

  • JK Regina, Saskatchewan
    March 8, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    i don't spend my life following the jazz so i may not be as well versed as others...but i did mention we didn't get enough back in the williams trade...harris is nothing...favors has potential..and two draft picks that from what i'm hearing are in at least one weak draft year...williams could have been traded in the offseason even used as a draft day blockbuster component...to move up in the draft....that is if there's a good reason to do it...non the less it was alot more fun chearing for the jazz when they were a decent playoff team as opposed to now where they are arguably one of the 5 worst teams in the league....koc waited to long with boozer and he walked....koc pulled the trigger to soon with williams and we got potential...i would rather have had felton and gallinari from the knicks...which was doable

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    Re jk,hey if you don`t like the JAZZ there are 30 other teams to root for,harris is nothing...are you sure you know what you`re talkin bout?

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    March 8, 2011 12:12 p.m.

    Could the Deseret News state clearly the number of games the fragile Russian tin man known as Kirilenko has missed for the Jazz in his career? How many games and what the percentage is? This guy is as bad as Boozer, always the phantom injury.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    For all of you ready to throw Harris under the bus after 1 bad shooting game,he is ranked 10th overall for pg`s,although his minutes are less than all of those with better numbers. Harris is going to do a good solid job for us,is he a top 3,no,but I`ll be happy with a guy who gets everyone involved and checks his ego at the door,GO Jazz,I`m a fan whether we win or lose

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 8, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    Houdini: We have had many discussions about CJ and I have always wanted to HOPE he would come around and start playing more to his potential. The reason for my hope was that if he would come around and play up to his potential it would make the Jazz that much better. It looks like you may be right, he just isn't going to come around. I think the reason is because he won't work hard enough. He has alot of talent but talent isn't worth much if you won't put forth the effort needed. He is young and I was hoping he would realize what it takes but his effort shows he's not getting it. Six years is enough and I hope the Jazz can move him and get something for him. Maybe he will come around at some later date but I'm not going to stay on his bandwagon. The Jazz need to find some wings that play hard and fight to win, and can shoot. Hayward, I think will be OK, he just needs PT.
    Even CJMiles (the poster here on DN)has become frustrated and wants him traded.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    March 8, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    Houdini: I agree that trading Milsap could come back to burn us, just like trading DWill could, but if Favors is the future, along with Big Al then Paul is our best chip to get some quality players to meet some of our needs. I'm not wanting to get rid of Paul, but I do want some or a proven quality player(s). We need wings that can shoot and play tough D. Maybe we can get that in the draft but trading we would be able to get someone that has proven themselves. Who that might be is the big question.
    A big question in thinking about trading Milsap though is , will Favors produce?
    I might be OK with the Jazz keeping CJ if they find someone (or2)that can be depended upon and CJ is a reserve that produces when he produces but isn't someone we need to count on.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    March 8, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    Captain L I agree. It's disheartening when you support and defend a guy like Miles for 5 or six years and then the result is what we are seeing now. I hope they give his minutes to Hayward. He is putting forth some effort to defend and get after the ball. I am admitting I was wrong about Miles, I didn't realize how lazy the kid is until I took my blinders off.

  • JK Regina, Saskatchewan
    March 8, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    Re: Houdini
    don't question one's level of being a fan..you don't know me...I'm from Canada and have been a fan since the early 80s listening to games on my clock radio when the signal would come in strong at night...I'm the guy that just shelled out 160.00 to sit behind the bench at a recent game in Detroit (met Matt Harpring!!) nice guy!! dude i'm just saying that everyone has always been making the negative comments about this team being nothing more than just an average playoff team....and i was just saying that kind of 6 or 7th seed team with 50 wins would be nice right about now..hopefully the saying "sometimes things have to get worse before they get better" holds true and favors and the drafts work out...Harris is NOT a point guard to build a team around...he's a step above average in my opinion..i guess i shouldn't have said "nothing" i was just saying that in the future picture of this team i don't see him as being a part of it.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 8, 2011 2:50 p.m.

    Capt,your right it`s all about desire,effort,being willing to work harder than the next guy.I wish CJ would have done that,because I agree he does have the talent....but at some point we have to cut our losses.Maybe a trade will open his eyes,kinda like getting fired and realizing,wow...I better get it together

  • gazelle Murray, UT
    March 8, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    Amazing how many posts come up when the Jazz lose. Why is that? Then they get a hard fought win the other night and still most the comments were critical. I do not get it. Why invest so much time and energy into something you only get something negative out of?

  • ohplease springfield, il
    March 8, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    @The Great Houdini: Where so you get that Harris is ranked as 10th best PG? He is nowhere near the top 10. Various polls I have researched have Deron ranked anywhere from #1 and #3, and never lower than #3. Other top 10 PG's consistently mentioned in the top 10 are, in no particular order, with the exception of Felton and Jennings being at the bottom of the top 10, are Rose, Nash, Rondo, Westbrook, Felton, Jennings, Kidd, Parker and Paul.

    No matter how Jazz fans want to spin it, you lost a top 3 point guard and one who played and continues to play through injuries.

    Can Jazz fans find it in their hearts to at least wish the best to Deron and his wife? He will miss the next two games with the Nets to be at his wife's side as the birth of their baby is imminent. That's the best reason ever to miss a game! No excuse needed.

  • ohplease springfield, il
    March 8, 2011 9:11 p.m.

    @gazelle: A win over the lowly Kings should not be a "hard-fought" overtime win. It should be a blowout...by the Jazz. It's a cause for concern and, thus, the many critical comments.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    March 9, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    oh please,d-will is long gone... adios asta la vista,get it? Harris will fit this team better and d-will,I hope he loses everygame in NJ,btw,I thought you were leaving,what happened?

  • JK Regina, Saskatchewan
    March 9, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    i guess i should ask to houdini do you know what you're talking about...Harris will fit this team better?...so i guess that the Jazz with Harris instead of Dwill is a better team....you've lost touch with reality friend