Where is the compassion? If he only broke the law once, aren't we forgiving
enough to give him another chance?
And don't forget that BYU was also voted the number one, stone-cold sober
university in the (U.S.) nation for about the tenth year. It is who we are, and
yes there are those who do not drink alcohol.The world can mock the
sobriety of Brigham Young University, but isn't is better to be known for
something like that which shows self-discipline in keeping the standards we
agree to keep?Rock on. The best to Brandon Davies. It took a lot of
courage and integrity for him to self-report.
My comment "great damage is done to Brandon Davies" was not about the
Honor Code at all. I support the honor code wholeheartedly.I just
disagree that it was necessary AT THAT HOUR to come out and publicly declare
that Brandon had broken the Honor Code and suspend him. In fact, it may well
have harmed him. BYU had what, 5 or 6 games left, counting the
tournament? He came forward, apparently repentant, and so here's a golden
opportunity to support him in that process partly by protecting his privacy. It
could have been handled discretely after the season, which would still sustain
BYU's policies and at the same time bless Brandon. He is a public
person, but it was a private and not a public sin. But because of the
announcement and its aftermath, it is now a very public matter.So he
carries the weight of the negative affect of his absense on a team in pursuit of
a final four appearance - something that for many athletes would be a sting that
could last a lifetime - as well as seeing his transgression trumpeted on tv,
radio, and newspapers all over the world. And he's 19.
The linking of the BYU Honor Code incident to Dick Cheneys visit seems
unfortunate. In the former you have something like lemonade but what kind of
sweet nectar do you get from aligning BYU with Dick Cheney?
I graduated from BYU, and am a proud supporter of my alma mater. For what it is
worth, here in Texas people have gone out of their way to let me know that they
truly respect what BYU has done. I was telling people before that "BYU
won't play on Sunday - they'd forfeit first." I agree with steps taken,
but I just wish it were possible that it could have happened much more
discretely. Rarely has so much attention been focused on a young man like what
has happened in the past 3 days. May God bless him, and I hope he learns the
power and hope behind the words "forgiveness", "redemption",
"repentance" and most importantly "atonement". There are
things infinitely more important than basketball.My contempt for the
Salt Lake Tribune grows with every passing day. But what can you expect from a
"newspaper" that places pictures of the LDS temple ceremony on the
front page of their website.
It's very simple: if you want to attend BYU, you adhere to the Honor Code.If you don't adhere, you pay the consequences. Even if you are
repentant, there are consequences that must immediately be taken care of. Paying
your part of the price is part of the atonement.That's called
responsibility.Any attempt to get around that, delay it, or
otherwise excuse yourself from it is rationalization. Satan is the master of the
rationalization.This is all about making worthy, faithful men and
women. In the eternal perspective, sports is nothing.
JBrady,What you are calling "another chance" would be more
accurately described as a "free pass." You sound like you would like
for there to be no consequences for breaking a commitment. Facing appropriate
consequences and receiving another chance are not mutually exclusive events.The final decision on whether Davies will be given another chance next
year has still not been made. Nobody has said that he will not receive another
chance. They have only enforced some of the predetermined consequences for his
Those of us who are living by our faith are not casting stones at Brandon. I,
for one, am uber sad about his error and the seemingly enormous consequences
that choice will have on him and the team.However, equal to my
sadness over his choice, I'm pleased at his willingness to voluntarily admit to
and take responsibility for his actions. I'm also hopeful that he will continue
on the path to rectify his life and resolve to live by an Honor Code he agreed
with. I firmly believe that he will receive a very warm welcome back by those
who actually live by thier LDS faith. I'm all for 2nd chances. It's called
repentance.Perhaps (hopefully) the understanding that there are way
more important things in life than an NCAA Basketball Championship (or Final
Four appearance) will be firmly rooted in his (and his teammates) character.
The rewards of living a life of making and keeping commitments, of complete
fidelity to your spouse, and of understanding the sacred nature and blessngs of
intimacy are far greater than the accolades of NCAA Basketball success.Brandon, best wishes. You'll be missed ... and welcomed back!
@FDRfanObviously from your screen name you have an unreasonable hate
for Dick Cheney and are therfor incapable of rational thought on this matter.
But just in case you are capable of being educated I will explain this for
you.The writer of the article did not link this incident with Dick
Cheney. BYU's spokesperson, Carrie jenkins, simply stated that this was the
largest quantity of media calls she had taken since Dick Cheney spoke at BYU
several years ago. That's it. There was no political comparison. There wasn't
even any sort of attempt to praise Cheney, although I believe him to be a good
amn and excellent person, she simply said she hadn't taken this many calls since
that time. It gave us a frame of reference as to the quantity involved as we all
know a vice presidential visit, regardless of the party of the vice president,
will elicit attention.In the future you ought to try to not make
yourself appear to be so dogmatic that the meer mention of a mans name sends you
into outrage. It certainly doesn't elicit respect for your political positions.
This incident is a dramatic representation of the cascading consequences that
can follow poor decision making. A very good athlete made the right choice about
admitting to a wrong choice. He'll now have to take whatever measures that are
necessary to resolve his honor code violations. Painful? Yes. But hopefully this
becomes a character building experience. The team also suffers but will surely
try to do the best that they can without a strong inside presence. As we
approach the March tournament, the BYU team, the university, the fans and
perhaps the entire world may witness first hand just how much collateral damage
can occur from just one temporary error in judgment.I'm sad for
those that may be affected by this highly publicized event however I am glad
that this took place in a sports venue. Sports today are tainted with great
athletes with no accountability for their self indulgent behavior. Our children,
for how they idolize these public figures are tainted with such a skewed picture
of reality. BYU's steadfast decision to remain true to their standards is a
shining beacon to students everywhere that are trying to make sense of their
JBrady"Where is the compassion?"The compassion
is the love and support Brandon is receiving to help him turn his life around
and helping him be all they he can be.To delay or minimize the
consequences of a serious violation of the Honor Code wouldn't be honest to
Brandon and every other BYU student.
I've always been, and will always be a Ute fan. But I've never been
more proud to be a BYU graduate.
Okay, okay, enough self-congratulation on this issue. I hate how this has turned
into a look-how-much-integrity-we-have PR campaign, especially at the expense of
Niles Kinnick would be proud of BYU.
Re: MomI can't disagree with anything you said, but the way you said
it somehow rubs me the wrong way.I think the focus of "suffer
the consequences" in this case should be on the "consequences"
part, not on the "suffering" part. I think sometimes as members of the
church certain individuals (not necessarily saying you) somehow take pleasure if
other members of the church SUFFER for their sins because they transgressed, and
they keep the major rules most of the time. Be careful in how you judge
situations. You need to keep in mind too that this kids dirty laundry has been
aired across the nation, and nothing you visit the bishop about gets publicized
to the media. You might say "well it was his choice to be a public
figure" but that's easy for you to say because it didn't happen to you.
What if it was one of your children? Would you want their transgressions to be
published to the nation?I don't fault BYU for suspending Davies, but
perhaps they could have said it was for an undisclosed violation of team rules.
Because really it's none of our business anyway.
SL: I totally agree with you on this. I think that BYU was wrong in handlimg
Davies' situation like everyone else's- the normal contingincies allow for
enough privacy for the individual violator so that the repentance process is
undisturbed and private. I suggest that BYU should have recognized the extreme
media backlash, let Brandon sit out with his "quad injury," and
formally impose sanctions in private after the season ended.
Re: Sl & TaipeiYou are both correct, this is a private matter
between those envolved...however, how can we justify lying to protect the
privacy of a public figure? The school, under media pressure, announced a
student was dismissed from the basketball team for an honor code violation. No
more, no less. Details of the violation were not released by the school, but
the school did address questions regarding the Honor Code.As the
article stated, we all wish this had never happened...but it did so it is
addressed. As a member of the Cougar Nation I hope only the very best for
Brandon...if he plays basketball for BYU again does not matter to me; but I do
hope he continues his education at BYU, that he graduates from BYU. It is a
great school and an honor to be painted True Blue.
"Use clean language,Respect others." "obscene or indecent conduct
or expressions; disorderly or disruptive conduct."Those are right out
of the honor code so can someone explain why no action was taken against Max
Hall when he obviously broke it?
RE:TaipeiModerate You mean "lie" to the media? Wow! Actually the
"media backlash" has been fairly positive towards the fact that
individuals and institutions live by the rules that are set beforehand. It's
the posters who don't understand commitment and integrety that are having a
difficult time with the whole matter.
Re: Cali Coug
Re: Cali Coug This is why I think if this happens it should be told
to the public that if a team member gets suspended, that's all the public has to
know. All they should say is a team member has been suspended for an undisclosed
violation of team rules, PERIOD. Whatever the reason is, it's no ones business
but the parties involved, not the media's, not the happy valley community's,
nobody but the parties invlolved. It doesn't matter if it's because of
academics, or sluffing a practice, or fornicating, IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS TO
KNOW. Then, wait until the tournament is over and the student's status has been
determined, and THEN publish it to the media. All people have to know is that a
student is suspended, that's it. There might be speculation as a result, but
that's better than the media circus that we just witnessed.
This is not about the honor code or basketball.It's the application
of the honor code when violated, balancing punitive actions with the lifelong
welfare of the person.You don't need a 90-pound sledgehammer when a
3-pound hammer will do the job. The mallet will do plenty of unintended damage -
some irreparable. Heres a young man of promise, reputation, and contribution
who made a mistake. A prominent BYU athlete in the 1980's, DURING
THE OFFSEASON, was dismissed over UNSPECIFIED honor code violations. Details
remained largely private. He repented, returned, and became an outstanding
contributor at BYU and respected community and church leader. Today few know he
had a problem, or what it was about. That's love. With justice. To carry at such a young age the weight of ones sin and the knowledge it
is trumpeted across society is an enormous load to bear beyond what was
necessary. Who would like to try it and see? Pulling Brandon from
the team and announcing publicly the honor code violation threw this 19-year-old
into the lions den of a local and national NCAA basketball media feeding frenzy
a sledgehammer indeed.
BYU's handling of Brandon's Honor Code violation proves that you can't please
all of the people all of the time.After Brandon self-reported the
serious violation, BYU had no choice but to suspend him from the team.With that done, BYU had no choice but to announce the suspension publicly.Critics saying that BYU should have handled this privately simply don't
live in the real world.It's impossible to keep something of this
nature from eventually leaking out.Someone would have talked - a
friend, classmate, relative, or friend of a friend.And, as soon as
that happened, it would have made the situation MUCH, MUCH worse for Brandon and
for BYU. BYU would have been accused of being hypocritical for
having a double-standard for star athletes. Brandon would have been
raked over the coals of public outrage as just another athlete receiving
preferential treatment. The attempt to "handle this
privately" would have been a dissaster. And the BYU Honor Code
would have been viewed by the world as a sham because BYU would have broken the
first provision of the Honor Code - honesty.
Here is a fine young man who willingly accepted his responsibility and is
willing to be accountable for his actions - whatever they were. Here is a
university who is willing to also be responsible and accountable - and who
respected Brandon's privacy and, I am certain, did not divulge the action
leading to this young man's suspension. I am a BYU graduate. I am
grateful for BYU's consistent sense of direction. I am grateful for a fine young
man who is willing to be honest, responsible and accountable for his decision.
These attributes should be more widely accepted and used in society. Of course, I am deeply disappointed as an ardent fan of BYU sports which is a
small part of a great university. May all those affected become stronger in
their sense of direction.
byufootballrocksEvery case is different.It's one thing
to handle a violation quietly, in the offseason, when a player isn't actively
officially representing the university.It's quite a different
challenge to handle such a serious violation in the middle of one of the most
outstanding seasons in BYU basketball history when BYU is in the eye of the
storm of media attention.BYU treated Brandon EXACTLY like your
unnamed former BYU athlete. The same "3-pound hammer" was used in both
cases. Tough love.Brandon was dismissed over UNSPECIFIED
honor code violations. As far as BYU's actions, the details have remained
largely private.And BYU is working closely with Brandon to help him
repent, return to the team, and, hopefully, become an outstanding representative
of BYU in the future.I know Brandon personally. In fact, he's been
in my home several times. If I'd wanted to, I could have easily
found out the details of Brandon's violation with a simple phone call to close
friends of his family.As a friend, I have confidence that Brandon
will emerge from this refiner's fire a much better person.
The same critics who think BYU acted too harshly in suspending Brandon and that this whole situation should have been handled PRIVATELY, those same critics would have EXCORIATED BYU for trying to sweep this under
the rug and being hypocritical for having a double-standard for athletes, as soon as knowledge of Brandon's relationship with his girlfriend
leaked out, which was GUARANTEED to happen.
If anyone REALLY questioned what BYU's "Quest for Perfection" is,
well, there should be no questions now. People are ALWAYS > sports.Best wishes to Brandon. Hope to see you next year in a Cougar uniform.
Gordon Monson, columnist for another SL newspaper, wrote a lengthy article
criticizing BYU for not handling Brandon's case PRIVATELY. Interesting, since it was that other SL newspaper that dug up and announced
PUBLICALLY to the world the details of Brandon's violation, including the name
of the other person involved.People who don't like BYU, will always
find something to criticize, regardless of what BYU does.All the
more reason for BYU to enforce the Honor Code in exactly the same way for all
Blue Coug,The matter in NOT private! Hardly. It's been reported
widely in the press, which was inevitable because the announcement was made when
the laser beam was focused on the team because of the NCAA run. That's the
point.BYU did not treat Brandon as the other athlete I mentioned.
That matter was dealt with out of the klieg lights. The "sledgehammer"
is pulling him from the team at such a moment and just 24-hours after the matter
came to light. That put the laser beam on the situation itself, leading to his
specific sin leaking out to a frenzied press, and now the entire world knows!
That's the sledgehammer.Each of us might be served to try to carry
that weight ourselves to see what it might feel like. And it could have been
avoided. That's my point.What's hypocritical about handling it in a
way that doesn't crush that person?We're not talking about taking away
normal consequences - losing team membership, possible suspension from BYU, etc.
It's the issue of WHEN you do those things.
Riddle in the Dark @10:45am is exactly right. BYU had two pretty clear choices.
Either be honest and forthcoming as they did, or initiate a cover-up. Imagine
if BYU had allowed Brandon to play the remainder of the year, and then the truth
came out that he had violated the honor code during the season and BYU looked
the other way. BYU would have never heard the end of it, and there would have
been a barrage of critical comments on sites like this. It is too bad that
people are curious and that the media feeds that curiosity. Despite his youth,
Brandon is apparently a public figure, and unfortunately the public attention
given this matter became part of the consequences. I think he will do well and
in the end benefit. No one wanted this for him. I wish him luck, and am proud
Regardless of what BYU said, the truth would have surfaced. It would have been
significantly more harmful if BYU had claimed "injury" but in reality
it was an honor code violation. I am sure others knew of the
situation and "investigative reporting" surfaced the actual violation.
Brandon will be fine - I believe this because I so respect his
actions. Everyone makes mistakes and he has taken the high road to improve.
Honor is not a sibgle act, honor is based on sustained integrity and realizing
it's not about the individual, it's about doing the right things.Kudos to BYU, Kudos to Brandon. I hope we see him playing again soon.
From "A Man for All Seasons""When a man takes an
oath, he's holding his own self in his own handslike water, and if he
opens his fingers then, he needn't hope to findhimself again."BYU is giving Brandon the hope to find himself again.
Regarding Roquetman;Maz Hall was telling the truth.
I am tired of the self-congratulatory nature of this newspaper and many of the
people of Utah in regards to this situation. Why can't you people just make a
decision, and then drop it? Why do you need the validation of the media and
national opinion? No, instead you need round after round of articles, beating
the subject to death, at the expense of a young man who deserves to have his
personal spiritual life kept private. Some will say that he made the decision
to be in the spotlight when he chose to play basketball at BYU, and/or when he
"transgressed," but I say that the fault lies with BYU and their
asinine honor code. Maybe BYU should eliminate a system which denigrates and
sensationalizes spiritual growth, and try Jesus and the atonement for a change.
I suspect that notwithstanding the positive publicity BYU is getting now or has
ever gotten BYU's Trustees will decide within my lifetime (I'm 32) that
intercollegiate sports is not compatible with the mission of the School or the
Church.This is only a story because of BYU's high ranking. No one
would have blinked an eye if Tony Ingle would have tossed a kid for HC
violations the year he coached BYU Basketball. And BYU's chances of getting back
to a top-10 ranking playing only kids who obey the HC are slight. In
short, this occasion and the positive publicity it's brought is a one-off. But
publicity can and has also been bad for BYU Athletics. The Trustees are keenly
aware of this and, looking north at BYU-Idaho, realize that BYU can still be BYU
without BYU Athletics.
Unbelievable,That doesn't answer my question, and Max Hall did not
proclaim truth, what I stated in my previous was verbatim from the honor code,
so according to that his rant truthful or not was in violation. And no I'm not
a Utah fan trying to defend, I really want to know why no action was taken. And
if your going to argue over classless fans I was at the UNM basketball game in
2010, you might remember that one it was the one where New Mexico won and the
student section started throwing stuff at the UNM players, remember remember....
Speaking of which was any action taken then anyone got an answer for that?
The principle is much more important than a lost game or a lost tournament. May
Davies have a real good season next year,
It is sad, but he didn't spit on the sidewalk. In a world where anything goes,
it is appropriate that a serious violation of the code should carry a serious
consequence. I hope Brandon will suck it up, cope with the consequences of his
actions, learn and move on with a productive and honorable life.
I applaud Brandon Davies for coming forward...BYU only made a comment as news
had leaked out and they did so to protect as much as they could their student/
ball player, their brother and friend...We have agency...we can choose to
exercise that agency any way we want, but we cannot choose the consequences of
the choices we make...both good and bad...Brandon will be ok if he takes
advantage of the Atonement...We need to each look into ourselves and quit
throwing stones at BYU for upholding the rules, The Honor Code of the
University...my husband went there and signed that Honor Code every semester he
was there...It is what it is and everyone going to school there knows it...Let
us all keep Brandon in our prayers and support him the way he supported his team
mates today, with his head held high! Good for You BYU!!! Go Cougars!!!
Winning basketball games are not as important as the honor code. Glad to have
@ripsnorterYou're only the 20th ute "fan" this week
voicing that fantasy. Why don't you just hope your own school improves rather
than wishing, and wishing vainly, for your betters to simply quit so you can be
better by default?
@ JBrady... yes, but there still are consequences. If we forgave AND ignored any
punishment, there would be no sin.
to byufootballrocks and any others who feel it would have been better to deal
with the situation after the season, I offer a resounding NO!!!Here is
why? the issue with Brandon aside, can you imagine the repercussions to BYU and
the Church had the resolution been delayed until the summer? The honor code
would have absolutely no value. We would be laughed at. Handling the issue when
and how they did is the proper thing to do.
J=Dub... I couldn't disagree more but this is not the forum for that discussion.
I would suggest you take your angst to MADB.
I have a question that I would like an answer to, and I am admittedly out of the
knowledge loop with this.Am I to understand that Davies is off the
basketball team but still a student?I thought the honor code was for being
a student at the Y. Why would he be kicked off the team for honor code violation
but not removed from school? What if he was not an athlete and just a
student?Thank you for your resposes, and again my questions are based on
him still being a student.
ifelI am not 100 percent sure on the answear on that one but i think that
is because Davies represents the school in a public manner unlike the student.
Im sure the student probably has to go on some sort of probation but cant
represent byu in a public sense. I dont know if your lds or not but in the
church lets say you hold a high calling and commit a high sin (which fornication
is considered big in the lds community) you would be released of your calling
but not kicked out of the church. I think if the person would have been class
president or something like that they probably would have to step down too.
Roquetman,hopefully i can answear your question better than unbelievable
could. For one we dont know if he was punished or not for his comments. I am
sure not everytime a player does something against the rules that it is publicly
stated and the consequences are told. Not all violatins require a suspension.
Davies violation was worse and required a suspension and publicly anounced it
cause you cant suspend your starting power forward on you number 3 team without
anyone noticing. For example, lets say a player from any other team breaks a
rule that doesnt require any missed games but we dont know that the guy had to
wake up at 4 in the morning to do wind sprints with the trainer. That is
usually also not reported.
I am not aware that BYU initially exposed the details to the press, or that they
were indiscreet. It seems to me that events and revelations overtook and over
ran the normal process. That being said, details did get out and needed to be
responded to as circumspectly and forthrightly as could be done while
maintaining the integrity of the process for all parties in what must be
understood to be a rapidly changing situation driven by the press doing their
jobs. I have immense respect for and trust and faith in, yes faith in BYU, with
all that "BYU" entails, for the way they handled this matter, and I
have immense respect and hope for Brother Davies for his integrity in coming
forward. Both BYU and Brother Davies deserve our support. As a BYU alum, I
heartily give my support to both.
Thanks for your response joecoog. I am a member, but it still does not make
sense.He violated the honor code, the honor code is required to be upheld
for BYU admission. If his violation was serious enough to require suspension, it
should be a suspension from BYU, not just from basketball. And no, I am not
saying I agree that he should have been suspended, but the code is the code, and
he violated it. While there are seperate circumstances with every individual
that require varying degrees of punishment, it appears his violation was
fornication (based upon news reports, not from BYU) and that is pretty clear.I would think he should be suspended from school as well, or reinstated to the
basketball team immediately.Being a BYU student or a BYU athlete is NOT a
calling, representing the school in a public manner does not change what honor
code he is held to, does it?
Dear Ifel, Rest assured that there are other BYU students who succumb
to temptation and then confess their sins to the proper authorities. In a
student body the size of BYU's it would be more than remarkable if mistakes
weren't being made frequently. When these mistakes are confessed with proper
regret and a firm resolution to avoid making the same mistake again, mercy is
often applied in the form of a confidential probationary period. Many such
students stay in school. You will not hear about it in the newspaper.
Occasionally a violator is caught in an honor code violation and is not
repentant. Sometimes a violator is a repeat offender. In these cases the
student may be expelled from the school. You won't read about this in the
newspaper either. Brandon Davies was one of those who came forward and
confessed with regret and resolution to correct his course. He chose the
timing. He expected the consequences that followed. He is one of many
regretful offenders still in school. The publicity is not the fault of BYU or
of Brandon Davies. It is the result of the unavoidable consequences that
followed his confession.
Dear Ifel: Brandon's status as a student has yet to be determined. In fact, it
has still not been made clear what his offense was. There is a lot of
speculation and we probably have a pretty good idea what it was. But, it has
not been confirmed. I believe he still has to go before the Standards Office
for a complete resolution of his case. It is entirely possible that he will be
suspended from school and told what he needs to do to return and how long it
will take. I think it is highly likely that he will be back on the team next
Thank you for your responses all, I was not judging Davies in any sense of the
word, but trying to understand the penalties.Best of luck Brandon!
For the last few days I have been thinking very much about Brandon Davies and
his suspension. I feel very bad about what has happened. Forget the
basketball. Forget whether they win or lose. It is just a game. But this game
of life. Is it right to bring a young man (19) and womans mistakes out into the
open for the whole world to see? I dont think it is right. These things should
be kept confidential with their ecclesiastical leaders. If a person comes
forth with a mistake is it necessary to so outwardly punish? Lets think
about the person more than the letter of the law. Where is our nurturing,
gentleness, love, and kindness? What about all of us adults who could have
counseled, helped and maybe averted this from even happening? Should we be
blamed too? Are we so self secure that we can so openly punish a person and
then go home and read about it in the news? I dont think it is right to put
someone through such a media circus. These matters should be kept private and
corrected in private. There has to be a better way.
I don't know if this will make it past the censors at the D News, but I can't
keep it in any longer. I have read just about every article on this situation,
and a LOT of the comments, even the articles on ESPN that have generated
THOUSANDS & THOUSANDS of comments, & for the life of me, I can't help
but fear for the future of our country because of how stupid people are. I'm
speaking clearly to the ones that keep bringing up that Mr. Davies privacy has
been violated by BYU, that BYU shouldn't have stated what he was suspended for.
Can you people not read? And those that think they should have let it slide
until after the season was over. SERIOUSLY???? And this coming from what
appears to be members of the church. Yeah, that would have went over real well.
I bet you're the same ones that think it was OK for Ohio States starting QB and
other teammates to play in the bowl game this year and serve their suspension at
the beginning of next season. BYU would have been crucified if they did that.
I do commend BYU for not making any bends in the rules for this athlete. It
seems Davies went to the Honor Code office himself, which is also respectable.
That said, I know the school needs to treat him as any other student, however, I
hope some leniency is now applied for him. How many other students in the
student body get to have thier mistake broadcast on news tickers, blogs, and
Sportscasts from coast to coast? I think he is already being severely
punished...more so than any other student (other than high profile athletes like
Harvey Unga). I hope that is taken into account for his violation.
I would suggest that if you want a few more4 things to do, that you might try
UoU, USU and some others as they are equal to or better than BYU. Most
education at other schools is far better recognized than BYU. If you want BYU
then fine, but realize that companies place more credit for the other Utah
How many people actually believe that if BYU would have said "he was
dismissed from the team for violating team rules" that it would have
remained private? Honestly people, there is no way an infraction like this
could have stayed private given the nature of the circumstances. BYU didn't publicly humiliate Brandon, it was everyone else that had to
"know what happened". In an age of instant information via Facebook,
Twitter, etc...nothing could have been kept private. Brandon
self-reported the issue, and BYU had to act upon his information. The timing
belongs to Brandon, not BYU. I applaud him for taking responsibility of the
situation. I think we'd be naive if we think it was a single offense though.
I have never heard of this guy, which proves nothing as I do not follow
sports.I have in the past done research on the BYU Honor Code, Read
the Whole Honor Code etc. How many who Wave it have Read it?I am on
the Schools side in this situation. No S word before Marriage is the Rule.If you sign the Honor Code (and you must) then you must obay the Rules
No Matter who you may be. If Him and Her have to then you have to simple as
that.BYU is a Private Reglious School with strict standards, and
strict enforcement.To get around that simply get married in a Civil
Wedding or your Bishops Office. No Rule says that Married Students have to be
Married in the Temple.Davies is a fault for violating the Rule. He
knew better and did it anyway.He is going to one of the finest
Schools in the Country and on a full ride thats worth about $250,000 give or
take, and perhaps Millions over a lifetime.Another part of me says
Two College Age Adults having the S Word No Big Deal.At BYU it
@DR Hall You are mistaken! You stated, "If you want BYU then
fine, but realize that companies place more credit for the other Utah
schools." That is ludicrous! Government agencies and TOP companies
interview at BYU.Since I have had 10 children or nieces at BYU, U of
U, and USU in a wide variety of disciplines, I can say that ALL three of these
schools have outstanding departments, NATIONALLY AND INTERNATIONALLY recognized,
and compete with strength and credibility. BYU has top placement in business,
law, and accounting that the others don't come close to. All three schools have
outstanding engineering, arts, and many, many other departments. The U has a
first-rate medical school. The GLOBAL CEO of Deloitte Touche (ever heard of
them?) is from Fillmore UT and is an Aggie graduate. The list for each school
is laudatory and voluminous.Get off the hate-BYU bandwagon. It
How come it is so hard to handle that the S word is a two way street. Evan Paul said that being Chaste is not for most people. Sometimes
the Female is the agressor such as Ruth and Boaz. Read that and then rethink
what they did or did not know.The lower classes almost never had a
formal education but some got some pretty fair home schooling.Above
all they knew the Rules and what was expected of them.Now if you
read and sign that you will Not do somthing and you do it then their is a
cost.I do not know hardly anything about this young man, except that
he is a person in his 20's with what would be considered Normal Desires. He seems a nice clean cut guy and the S Word was by concent. Two to
tango. Two Wet Spots not One. Equal- Parallel: I have been trying to
get a good picture of his girl friend, but he has a common name so its not easy.
I do not think the Society that he goes to School with is S Wordless
just Obedient and they COPE some Mightily.
Praise doesn't come casually from Jim Rome. The "shock" to the public
was not that BYU lives the standards, but that someone still has standards.