Shock, dismay, crash.But when you sign your name and claim to live a
code, as one who donates to the University, I expect it to be lived. And no
amount of success will ever compensate for a person's violation of their word.
And while this certainly hurts BYU's chances in the NCAA, Brandon
knows better. I love you Brandon, above all things BYU, I love ya
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!
Oh no! Not certain that anyone can replace Brandon. There go our dreams of a
run to the Final Four. So sorry for Brandon and for the team
As they say, "Timing is everything."
Woah.This just shows you that the university views the rules and
regulations as more important than a better chance at making a deep run in the
NCAA Tournament. I hope Davies gets this all cleared up so he can
play next year.Go Cougars!
Ughh. I can't believe this. The best season in the history of BYU basketball
just took a huge hit. Sad. Sad. Sad.Players stepped up when Chris
Collinsworth went down for the season. Hopefully they can do it again now.
It's a shame that Davies put himself in this position, but every BYU student
knows exactly what they sign up for.Kudos to the school for showing
that the Honor Code is more than just a piece of paper, even when it may impact
the success of its athletic teams.
Hang in there Brandon, the Y is a great place to get an education...look forward
to seeing you play next year.
Unbelievable. How disappointing.
Uh oh and bummer for TDS. Glad to see only worthy comments. Stay classy here
No one can say that BYU's honor code has a double standard for athletes. It is a
difficult price to pay for the integrity of the university.Hopefully, we will
see Brandon next year.
There goes the dream season. BYU will be lucky to make it out of the first
weekend of the NCAA tournament without their starting center and only low post
I hope the best for Brandon but I feel worse for the team he's leaving.
Big-time-let-down to his teammates and coaches who need his talents for a deep
And so it begins ...
what a blow!!!! Brandon hope all can be resolved so that you can come back next
Disaster for the team, but lets pray it is not disaster for the young man. Our
prayers are with you Brandon. Hope you get it fixed. -kk
Hopefully Brandon can shake off whatever it is and be with the team next season
and stay in school. He's a good player and seems like a good kid. These guys
have to remember, particularly now with so much at stake: Don't touch the
It's over...any hope of a Final 4 is over. Unbelievable....
Brandon, oh, Brandon, this is so sad!This is a tough lesson to
learn, but I hope you get your life back in order and learn from this
experience. You know better than this. Contact Tui. He'll be there
for you!---------------------------As far as BYU is
concerned, this isn't the end of the world, but it's certainly going to make
things that much more challenging for Rose and Jimmer and the rest of the
As one coach put it..."Try having a job where your future lies in the acts
of hormonally challenged guys that run around in shorts."Brandon Davies... disappointing and he'll feel terrible if a) the Cougs lose
in the MWC tourney and don't last long in the NCAA or b)if the Cougs go all the
way without him.The kid is going to feel some pain for a while. Sad.
Hope he has the strength and courage to make it back.
The caravan will continue to move forward. People will learn hard lessons from
this. No sense pointing fingers now - the damage is done.In the
overall grand scheme this is a small bump in the road - how will this team
respond. We will see in short order.
I imagine Dave Rose did everything he could for Brandon, but the player makes
his own choices and bears the consequences. Can't imagine how he must feel to
have let down the Jimmer like this. Rally, Cougs!
Hope to see you next year Brandon. This is just a game. Good reminder.Hang in there Cougs. Good luck tomorrow against UNLV!
How tragic! Just when things are really looking up. So sorry to hear this sad
news. Hope Brandon will straighten things out and be ready to come back next
year. It's going to be awfully tough now for the rest of the season. This is
just so awful. Good luck Cougs!!!
Epic Fail, good player and he will be missed. But his will alow one of the other
guys to step up and shine.
I feel for Brandon and more so for the team that has just taken a huge hit.
We'll find out tomorrow how the team rallies to replace his absence, but I'm not
getting my hopes up. Brandon's loss is one that will be hard to resolve.
Obviously Brandon was not thinking of his team or the consequences when he did
his selfish whatever.
one classless post and its from a cougar
Holy cow! As a fan, I'm devastated.
Best of luck Davies! Push on Cougs!...And may MichiganCoug find a
better use of time than starting online fights.
And it all came crashing down!I could hear the crash from Salt
LakeCan you say ONE AND DONE?
This is unbelievable! What a blow to the team.
We must try to remember what it is like to be an 18, 19 ,20, 21, or 22 year old
kid! It's tough to try to do so many things right all the time. I saw him and
the Cougs play in Omaha earlier this season. How very impressed I was with what
appears to have been Davies' break-out game. His legs were explosive and on
fire. It ought to be the prayer of the CougarNation and anyone who loves young
people and whose desire it is to play at this level and above that he makes
right whatever the issue is and to get it resolved as soon as possible. Not just
for the game but for himself and those around him who love him. Think UP Brandon
and always remember whose son you really are!
@g-ville uteExcept that he was right. Go ahead and read christina
b's predictable post.
Come play for the Aggies
I thought THIS was the season?One NCAA win in 20 years. LOLSee ya again in 2030!LOL
Not UNLV - New Mexico... but ah...
Props to BYU for standing behind their honor code. Bingham football who claims a
similiar code of conduct could learn from this. Very very disappointing.
And this is why BYU will never be an elite basketball program or even a very
good progam for that matter. The Administration would rather kick their players
off the team than work with them through the repentance process. Isn't that what
the gospel of Jesus Christ is for?? This is ridiculous. I was thinking of
getting tickets to the NCAA games in Denver for BYU, but since they'll be
missing their starting center, I don't think they'll go far at all.
I wonder what he actually did?? Wear shorts on campus or did he not shave
his 5 o'clock shadow before he went to the testing center? I'll never forget
when I was attending Ricks College when I was sent back to shave my 5 o'clock
shadow before I could take a test. I didn't know we were living the Law of Moses
still. I am bitterly dissapointed.
To all Mormon athletes considering tds and Utah:THIS is Y you choose
the U, in any sport.You can enjoy college life as you're supposed
to.Brandon - transfer up north. We don't judge U.
As I read this headline my immediate thought was for Brandon. I could care less
about the season, the seeding, the playoffs or anything else. One of our own
has more important issues and needs our support. Brandon you have been a role
model for some of us. We are praying for you to get back to where you have
been. Our best wishes. Come back soon.
Thanks for checking in Chris B!With your typically clueless
predictions of gloom and doom, the Cougars have renewed spirits to carry on.We all know that a predicted BYU loss by you is a near lead-pipe cinch
that BYU will win!Thanks again for helping to lift Cougar spirits on
some otherwise very sad news.
Big disappointment. I'll try to withhold judgement, but sheesh, Brandon, what
were you thinking???
@Chris B:Would have never predicted a remark like this from you. I'm
As my son would sayEPIC FAIL!!Way to let your team down.
Brandon, my stomach dropped, but my second reaction was your welfare. Ignore any
posts by people who throw stones. You seem like a smart, great young man. Don't
give up on yourself and we won't give up on you. Good luck.
The Jimmer will play interior defense and rebound too. The Jimmer will do
whatever it takes to win the game for his team!
@Chris B:Were you in North Salt Lake, or South Salt Lake?Are you and hedgehog the same person?
Not to worry, the team will get by, it will be almost the equivalent of Davies
getting into foul trouble in the first 3 minutes and sitting out for most of the
game.BTW, similar things happen at other schools. KU just suspended
one of their players for unspecified violations of team rules. None of this is
any of our business anyway.
Settle down MichiganCoog!We all know the usual suspects will be
totally classless with this, but you can show that BYU fans are better than
that.-------------------------Brandon, get your life
back on track. There are things more important in life than basketball. You have
our love and support.
Coaches have to make tough calls.Keep your head straight Brandon.We all still love ya, kid...(And Chris B, now all of your
dreams can come true. What a lame life you must have...)
How quickly things change. I dont believe it. The next thing you
know, Rose will leave as well.
Tom in CA - You won't believe me, and not that I really care, but I
have no clue who Hedgehog is.I'm not sure what incentive I would
have to create another name. Case in point: When the comments were limited to
2 a while back I did create another user named "Cris B." But now that
the 2 comment rule is not in place I'm good with just "Chris B."Back on topic - TDS continues to be the laughingstock of
collegiate sports.Athletes - silly rules do not mix.How
many times need you be reminded?You will NEVER be a top collegiate
school in a sport such as basketball or football where ATHLETES are needed so
long as the honor code is in place.This hurts(for tds, helps UTAH)
recruiting too - LOVING IT!!
Wow . . . just Wow. That is very sad and I mean that sincerely.
What a blow to the team and for this young man.
This changes EVERYTHING!!! Davies has been absolutely vital this year. I hate
to lose faith in my cougars, but I think this is will blow it for the team. I
hope that Davies can be back next year and I wish him the best.
What did he do drink caffiene? Regardless how ridiculous I think BYU's rules are
these players know the rules and need to respect and follow them.I am LDS
and would never fit into BYU. I like to have long hair and I am a rocker. They
would never except me in the first place.
Chris BIn many ways, I feel more sorry for you, than Brandon. It must be so hard living a life filled with such hatred.
Life is about much more than a Final Four run. What is really important here is
Brandon. You're a great young man. Make your way back, and I don't mean to the
We got Davied
Everyone - it's Davies. Remind me again how many points he scored and rebounds
he had in the SDSU game on Saturday? 4 points? And BYU still somehow found a
way to win? Crazy. The secret to Jimmer's and BYU's success has not been
because of the mere threat of Davies. I like Davies - he was getting better
throughout the season and I'll look forward to him coming back next year. But,
Anderson is serviceable, and while he won't score 11 a game, he'll be an inside
presence and there are 5 other players than can pick up the slack. Will things
be more difficult - yes. Can they still win? Yes.
Enjoy another second round loss. Now you know how Utah has felt over the pass
year. Tough to laugh when it affects you. Karma......
chubbuckidahocougfanWhy don't you stop pretending to be a BYU
fan?There's nothing more pathetic than a troll who pretends to be
what he's not.
@ Chris BI thought you promised that you wouldn't make any more
posts if BYU beat SDSU. You were so certain that they would lose that you made a
promise that you simply cannot keep.
Wow, Chris B., way to stereotype all ATHLETES.Anyway, I'm glad
you're forgetting that these ATHLETES are people with potential, not merely
pawns so the team from the school you like can be better than the team from the
school you don't like.Meanwhile, real fans will remember it's more
than a game and have compassion for the person involved. This is about someone's
life.And I'm not a BYU fan.
Chris B = Proving Max right. Completely classless. Only he could find joy in
another person's struggles.
@Chris BYOUR PREDICTIONS:Conference championship - goneConference tournament championship - gonePlayer of the year - gone after
a few more losses???#1 seed - goneA single win in the NCAA
tournament - goneFrom the silly sunday rule and now this - the selection
committee will not look favorably upon tds. My guess is a #4 seed.Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is? Other than the #1 seed,
which BYU has no control over (other than winning out) I'll take any of those at
any amount.Of course, this means you'll have to come out of your
mom's basement to pay up.
Having had the privilege of attending a couple schools where "honor"
actually has meaning, I am grateful for several things:- There are
places left where it actually has meaning.- BYU is keeping private details
private.- People's lives mean more than a game -- even when it hurts.I learned long ago that when "winning" means more than ones
honor, one has already lost. It is comforting to know there are still
institutions that support that sentiment ... even when there are the clueless
few who don't have their priorities in order.Brandon, know you're
loved, and you have the support of thousands who truly understand what is
important. Keep supporting your teammates as you're permitted. CTR
Rumor has it Dr. Chris Hill meet with Rose earlier this month.....Timing could be perfect.It's simply delicious to watch the tds
dream big dreams only to see them crash like a house of cards.You
always have track and field.
Selfish.... I feel bad for him. There goes his reputation. Gotta be
feelin bad right now.
Maybe he can transfer to SDSU... they'll be looking for some big guys next year.
At least we got two pages of decent comments and condolences in before the
trolls. We support you...Cougs and Brandon.
Utahman24Do you mean pass or past. I think both fit don't you?
BYU blew it. Could have deferred punishment until the season is over, which it
almost is. Instead, the whole program is punished.
What ever happened to forgive and forget???? Is it just lip service? An
explanation is in order!
I gotta say, this really has got to be painful for Brandon and the Cougars.And I was going to actually watch and hope for the best for BYU in the
tournament. Still, you never know. Maybe the backup can come through
Hey Cougars, keep your chins up! It isn't the end. What, haven't you seen what
a great team this is?! Davies is great and oh he will be missed, but the bench
can deliver. We can count on our Cougars to dig down and keep bringing up the
goods.So sorry for Brandon right now. What a ton of pressure.But painful as it is for everyone, this is why I love BYU. I know we
take the honor code seriously, and I know an action like this is done in the
best interest of the individual, not the institution.GO COUGARS!
We will now never know what this team was capable of achieving! I truly think
this team had the potential to be in the Final Four. All y'all talk
about who will step up, but there's nobody to step up unless C. Collinsworth can
come back. As sick to my stomach as I'm feeling right now, I can
only imagine how Jimmer and Co. are feeling.
im just glad they're not ohio state. "brandon, promise you'll stick around
for another year and you can play in the tournament. you can sit out our games
vs. tobias tech and leroy state next year."
EsquireSorry, I couldn't disagree more.BYU did what is a
expected of BYU -- setting an example of a higher standard.Sweeping
a serious violation of the honor code under the rug for the sake of winning an
extra basketball game or two would have been a betrayal of the standards BYU is
commissioned to uphold.I applaud Dave Rose for having the courage to
make this heart-wrenching decision, both for Brandon, and for the BYU basketball
Actually glad this came out - I have a son that I have been teaching that
values, covenants, and codes of conduct are more important than sports. Thank
you Brandon for manning up to a problem...Thank you BYU for honoring the young
men and women who abide by the Honor Code...and thank you fans for seeing that
life is more important that the Final Four chance!Best wishes to get
it all straightened out by next season.
Esquire--"BYU blew it. Could have deferred punishment until the season is
over,....."_ _ _ _ _Uh, no, they can't.'Sadly,'
integrity trumps athletic success.
hispanic from AF Your explanation is that forgive and forget is a
much longer, much more involved process than simply saying you're sorry,
especially when it involves something serious enough to be suspended from the
team for an honor code violation.
As a BYU fan, this really hurts. But I really feel for Brandon, Coach Rose and
the players who have put so much into this season. I am happy to see that almost
all posts from BYU fans are full of class. There's plenty of room for anger
here, but everyone seems to have the greatest concern for Brandon Davies. Cris B, you can take a lesson in class from these posts. Forget the
effect on BYU, only a loser would take so much delight in something that will
effect someones life. This is going to be really tough for Brandon, but he's
human, and we all make mistakes.
DN moderator:I find the majority of hedgehog's and Chris B's
comments to be "abusive, offensive, off-topic, and misrepresentative,"
so why are they tolerated when other comments that violate none of your stated
rules are censured?
For Led Zeppelin, Chris B, and anyone else who thinks that BYU looks for
opportunities to suspend people, you don't know what they are talking about. It
has to be major violation. This could cost the school a ton of money, bad
publicity, and hurt recruiting. BYU will catch a lot of flack for this
nationally. Yet they had the courage to do it anyway. It's good to know that
there is not a double standard at BYU. Good luck Brandon, and maybe BYU will
step up to the plate. There is still a whole lot of talent on that team.
Chris B | 7:14 p.m. March 1, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT To all Mormon
athletes considering tds and Utah:THIS is Y you choose the U, in any
sport.You can enjoy college life as you're supposed to.Brandon - transfer up north. We don't judge U. ===Instead,
the U runs you off the court and brings in a whole new batch.Unless
they do choose to judge. (Nai Fotu -- until further notice).All
athletes take it upon themselves to lead honorable, successful lives, and the
coaches job is to assist them.But hey, if you wat to come a become a
Jimmer, a Emery, an Andrew Rich, a Kyle Whittingham... You have the place.No need to listen to the trolls who couldn't hack it.But
this is not a good situation for anyone. Good luck Brandon, and Nai.
Let's keep our heads up. Other guys will step up. Rogers could knock down 5
threes next game, or Magnusson could get 10 boards, or our small ball with
Obuou, Collinsworth, Jax and Jimmer could be a difficult matchup. And we got
the best coach in the game! Did I mention Jimmer? We got him too.
BYU didn't blow it, Davies did. He's the one who let his team down. My heart
goes out to him though- can't imagine how bad he must be feeling right now.
Props to BYU for standing by the honor code. I'm a Ute fan, but I've
got a lot of respect for Jimmer and wanted to see him succeed in the post
season. That's going to be a lot more difficult now.
Im shocked and very disappointed, what horrible timing for this to happen. I
hope Davies can get this resolved and learn a lesson from it so that he can come
back and play next season. I still hold out hope that BYU can make a deep run in
the tournment, throughout the season we have seen a number of players step up in
big games. Davies has had games where he has been in foul trouble and missed
significant amounts of minutes and we have seen guys step up and fill the void.
Hartsock and Abuouo need to continue to build on what they did against Sdsu.
Rogers and Collinsworth need to step up their game as well, if that happens byu
will be fine. They still have Jimmer and with him im not about to count them it.
It will be difficult without the inside presence of Davies, but all season long
it seems like we have seen players step it up when they needed to the most and I
think that will continue. Go Cougars!!!
"BYU blew it. Could have deferred punishment until the season is over,
which it almost is. Instead, the whole program is punished. "That'd be like Ohio State banning their QB and others for the games to start
the season rather than their bowl game. It seems to defeat the purpose of even
having an honor code if you allow exceptions like that.
This is not good...could not have happened at a worse time. Abouo and Hartsock
and Emery...without Davies are still a great go to combo to back upFredette... but losing Brandon's inside shooting presence, his height and
rebounding are going to be hard to replace. Wow what bad timing. We'll have to
see how Rose is going to recapture Brandon's momentum with someone off the
Agree with idablu. Could have deferred punishment, or at least INVESTIGATE it!
1 day after they found out???? You have to get your mind outside
Utah to see what the nation will think of the university/church. They're
bringing insurmountable bad publicity to the church with this kind of timing.
Yes, I agree with the honor code. But step back and look at the big picture.
This is the top story on ESPN.com, and will blow up the sports nation tomorrow.
I'm sure they're going to have a good time with this one...
Esquire | 7:50 p.m. March 1, 2011Springville, UTBYU blew it. Could
have deferred punishment until the season is over, which it almost is. Instead,
the whole program is punished. hispanic from AF | 8:02 p.m. March
1, 2011American Fork, UTWhat ever happened to forgive and forget????
Is it just lip service? An explanation is in order! "Deferred
punishment" or "forgive and forget" policies would both make a
mockery of the honor code. As hard as this is to take, BYU has to take quick
action on honor code violations or the university would have no honor or
I find this development saddening. However shocking and outright just saying
"wow" seem a bit much. Basketball players are human, and human's
fail. In this case they are also relatively young, but actually we are all
prone to doing unwise things at some time or another. This is sad, but I would
hesitate to call it shocking.
Say it ain't so . . . :-(
As a huge BYU fan who has followed every game and embraced the possibilities of
this team, this news is about as disheartening as it gets.As a
member of the Church and BYU alum, I credit the university, Coach Rose, and
others who have the integrity to stand for values beyond a game.As a
caring person, I hope things go well for Brandon in the near future. If it's
possible, I certainly hope for his return to the team next year.As a
sports fan, I'm disgusted by the boorish comments of Chris B. and Hedgehog. I've
been on the boards long enough to know their modus operandi, and I consider the
source. However, their absolute pleasure at others' individual misfortune in a
situation like this a new low for them...and that's saying a lot.
Nobody is at blame for this besides Brandon. He knew what he was signing up for
and inflicted this upon him. It hurts! He let down his team, the coaches, fans,
and everyone that has jumped on the Jimmer train. Hopefully we can get
somethings figured out and return to BYU winning basketball. Hope to see him
I was and continue to be a huge Brandon Davies Fan.... I know that Brandon is a
quality Human Being and that both he and BYU have benefitted from their
association....The true medal of the Man is about to be
introduced... I have every confidence that Brandon will meet the challenge, step
up and do what he has to do to get his life in order and put this all behind
him.... I've heard it said (and there is nothing that is more
true)" The measure of a man is not how good he is and what he has
accomplished, it's how well he bounces when he is knocked down"...
All of us are disappointed (I am a 58 year old man who has been
cheering loud and hard for a BYU Final Four appearance for approximately 50
years)... But this is Temporary, Brandon and his fans will look back on this
experience in 10 years and say that the right thing happened and that all
benefitted from what transpired.Again Brandon, if you read these,
please know that we will be your fans no matter what... Now show us all How good
you realy are.
It's a said day for the basketball program but a great day for the young man
learning about personal responsibility.
Unbelievable! This was the year we had a legitimate shot. The University is
showing their true colors today of Honor and Integrity at the sacrifice of
success. Way to go Coach Rose. All of Cougar Nation respects your tough
decision. Hopefully Brandon will be back next year.
You never like to see this. I have yet to read the comments but I hope to high
heaven that my fellow Ute fans are not piling on. Hope the kid gets it back
together for his final two years.
Sometimes even I being LDS and a BYU alum grow weary of our stringent standards
in an increasingly corrupt world. As long as the behavior here wasn't of a
criminal nature I wonder why Brandon Davies (a 20 year old) couldn't be
counseled through his issues and allowed to work through them while remaining on
the team. While I understand that our actions bring consequences this would
appear (while never knowing for sure) to be a very heavy punishment for the
I like how byu fans have projected their anger and dissapointment on Chris B.
"I thought THIS was the season?One NCAA win in 20 years. LOLSee ya again in 2030!LOL"Another classless
comment from a bitter person, classless!
Man, I left a post earlier stating it was too early to worry about a number 1
seed that too many things could still happen. I wasn't, however, thinking it
would be something like this. Tragic.
Brandon, we know you feel worse about this then anyone else...you are an awesome
young man and pray you overcome any issues...we need you back!
Life is more important than the Final Four chance!
We love you Brandon!
From a Ute fan. Don't give up hope you still have Jimmer, so as long
as you can put four other players on the court you will always have a chance.
Hey, thanks a lot there, chief. Way to ruin everything. But, even so, I hope you
get everything back on track. Good luck.
This is ridiculous. Can't these young men work out their repentance in private
without detrimental reprecussions to their entire lives--like the rest of us? I
am a graduate of the Y and I have never been and never will be an advocate of
the honor code. The commandments and the words of the prophets have always been
Absolutely stunning, shocking...peace to the team. Peace out to the
trolls...asta la vista to a deep run.
This Ute wishes Davies the best of luck in moving forward. Plenty of people
have done far, far worse and surmounted their predicament to achieve greater
success.Hang tough, Brandon. Your future is very bright. Wish you
were at Utah.
This is the opportunity of a lifetime for the backups. Let's see what the team
and Rose can do to finish strong.Tough situation for Davies. We all
make mistakes, his is in the open for everyone to judge. Hang in there Brandon,
you can turn this all around as long as you don't give up.
Poor kid. Oh well.
President Uchtdorf asked us to not let sports be the cause of ugliness and name
calling. I see BYU and Utah fans getting real ugly here
Bummer.Brandon--it'll pass.Time heals all things.Sad for our team, Sad for Brandon, but hey, life is NOT about
basketball--Life is about learning, understanding and supporting
each other through trials. I'd rather have a Brandon Davies or a
Harvey Unga for a friend--(they're not, but I'd love it if they were)--I'd rather have these guys for a friend, than a room full of hypocrites,
liars, or other people--because these guys get it...Make mistakes,
fess up, fix it, and live a great life.Return to our Heavenly Father
and basketball? Well, fun, but rather pointless in the eternities and the long
run. Still, it hurts, but the Cougs will be fine!And
maybe they'll still win it all.
This is devastating, for Brandon, for the team, and for the fans. I wish Brandon
well and hope that he'll be able to find peace and comfort as he sorts this
out.All is not lost. The Cougars can step it up and fill in this
huge gap. Jimmer and Jackson will lead the way and overcome this hurdle.
Not sure what he did, but missing the rest of the season and possible NCAA
tourney glory is a huge misfortune. Best wishes to him. Chris B, now is not the
time (if there ever is one) to gloat. Try putting yourself in this kids' shoes
and it may soften your comments.Still, as pivitol a player Davies
is, the Cougars could still have a memorable run as long as Jimmer is still
I have said this once and I will say it again if the deseret news doesn't ban my
entry. BYU needs to get out of sports like they did at Ricks. Davies surely
deserves the treatment he has gotten, but Byu could spare all the loyal fans who
support them and fill the stadiums with bitter disappointment by getting out of
sports. Let us go support somebody else and get excited about another program.
Drop sports now. Set all your loyal fans free.
@ Freight TrainWho cares what the world thinks?
Forget the #3 ranking. Forget the #1 seed. You can't replace his presence in the
middle. This was horrible timing. A very promising season has just gone up in
flames. This isn't Hoosiers. This is reality. Any good team now will crush us
with it's inside play.
It was a great run while it lasted.
My aggies are doing great. I am certain the Y will be just fine. The team is
behind Brandon 100% as he is them. True friendship is hard to find thes days,
but it is there for Brandon and the team. As hard as it is, I know without a
shadow of doubt that the Y will go far in the tournament. Dave is a great coach
and you have players that have given all everyday in practice. They will step up
for Brandon, Dave and the standards of honesty, integrity, and their word. I
predict Hartsock, Rogers and Charles will come through. They will do this for
Brandon because they love him. Go Aggies and Cougars, maybe we can meet in the
I will agree that this is a big blow, but I am not too concerned, BYU has too
many good players, this gives Stephen Rodgers and Noah Hartsock and Abouo a
chance to improve their post game. I think BYU may struggle a little, but I
think BYU will still win games.
I'm hoping the bench can overcome this, I believe they can and I'm expecting a
stellar game tomorrow evening.I'm sure Brandon is feeling the weight
of the world right now as he should. Hope the best for him and Cougar Nation.
Unfortunately timing on these things is never convenient or pleasant.The trolls should be a little more respectful in times like this. Some of the
comments have sunk to new lows and why DNews has allowed them to cross the line
of civility is amazing.Shake it off Cougars and win out this week!
I respect both the university and the player for not hiding the truth and having
the courage to deal with the problem straight up. I can only wonder how many
other universities have failed to uphold their honor codes for the sake of the
almighty "win". This took real courage.
I am glad that BYU doesn't have a double standard with the honor code and
applies it to everyone. It is a little hard to say, but even if it were Jimmer
instead of Brandon, I would say the same thing. I hope Davies can work through
it well. I feel for him that his mistake lead to this, but he knew the
consequences of whatever he did before he did it. He agreed to it when he came
to BYU. Although Davies will be missed, I still think BYU has a good
chance of doing well in the post season. We still have Emery, Abouo, Harsock,
and of course the Player of the Year. Hopefully Rogers and Anderson will be able
to step it up. Either way, Jimmer will still be Jimmer. Go Cougars!
I know everyone wants to be supportive of Brandon. And I too hope he gets
through this situation. But the bottom line is that he didn't just hurt
himself. He injured his team and school and there needs to be some
accountability for that. I am grieved by whatever choices he made that created
this situation and frankly disappointed. I am frustrated by the
stream of high profile BYU athletes who tarnish themselves and injure others. I
understand mistakes, but I also know that we all have choice. At some point
there is a self-serving willfulness or arrogance that gets us into trouble. If
you want to play for the Y, you have look these vulnerabilities in the eye and
consciously discard them.We must reverse the trend.
Let's not forget what we are about here. BYU is a Church owned school, first and
foremost their concern is for the individual and his well being. Brandon will
survive this. He has the support of family, BYU, and the community. In Honoe
Code matters, BYU never has changed their policy and now is not the time to
change with a nation looking on. The basketball team will also survive and they
will win... there is more character, determination, and a will to win on this
team than BYU has seen in years. Case in point, Jimmer carried is small high
school to the state finals, Jackson saw 3 (starters) of his buddies leave his
high school for a rival school to try to win a state championship, all he did
was strap his team on his back and carried them to a state championship and he
had a game for the ages in the title game. Each of the others members of the
team have had similar events...There is a drive on this team that will take
over. Get behind them , take a look at their eyes tomorrow and you will see
what I am talking about.
While I send my condolences to the Brandon Davies and the BYU basketball team
for their loss, I also appluad BYU as an institution for holding to their guns.
Well done BYU.
Time for Jimmer to shoot for 50!!
I don't think this is going to impact the team as much as we fear. Hartsock
moves to center and Collingsworth rejoins the starting five. It'll be fine
unless depth becomes an issue (which it will deep into the tournament). Remember, Hartsock was the Oklahoma basketball player of the year his
senior year, so the kid has game. Same for Stephen Rogers, who could also jump
in and make a difference. Over the past few weeks, we've seen the Rogers that I
expected, a kid who can score 13-15 points a game and rebound.I
think he'll end up being a notch below the level of Lee Cummard, which is just
fine.This will all work out, really.
In the long run, paying the price for whatever Code he violated will likely be
the best thing that could happen to this young man. Hopefully he will get back
up on his feet and be able to hold his high again one day.
Good luck to Brandon. There is more to life than basketball. The rest of the
team can pull together and become a stronger team. The next step is to beat New
no davies is not good. but on the defensive side if the ball anderson does a
good job cuz of his length so we should be fine. more importantly i hope davies
@LP supporter:Great post! You have a healthy mentality. Thanks for
sammyg | 9:56 p.m. March 1, 2011 Springville, UTThe
trolls should be a little more respectful in times like this. Some of the
comments have sunk to new lows and why DNews has allowed them to cross the line
of civility is amazing.----------Derogatory names like yewts
and zoobies and tds and tun are OK, rude comments, too. As long as trolls
don't cross the important and sacred "all-caps" rule, they are still
allowed to be jerks.
This Coug fan hopes wishes Brandon the best. Number 1, I hope he get straight
with whatever he needs to. I hope his future is with BYU, but if
not, I am certain he can flourish whereever he goes. Hope the rest
of the Cougs can bear down and fight on!
I've enjoy watching the progress that Brandon has made on the court this year. I
will miss his presence on the team that I love. Now he gets to work on off the
court issues that I know nothing about but hope that Brandon can resolve to his
satisfaction. What is past is past. Good luck Brandon where ever this situation
takes you.I met Harvey Unga last weekend and he appears to be doing well.
He learned from his actions and is now a loving husband and father. I hope he
has a great career with the Bears. He was my favorite football player the last
few years.We'll be at both home games this week and we'll hope for
the best. We will play with what we have. Jimmer is still the main man and his
teammates will work hard to win. By next weekend we'll know how good this team
remember when Davies sat on the bench for a long time in one of the games this
year? the team will be alright without him. anderson's time is now. buddy, you
need to make a quicker recovery now! you have the ability(i've seen it), size
and heart. we will be okay. go byu!!
Cheer up people. BYU will NOT lose another game in March or April.
I am encouraged by the overall quality of responses, the caring expressed, and
the ability of Cougar fans to support Brandon Davies.I have deeply
admired Davies as a person and wish him every good thing in his life. Thank you
for the many good things you have done, and success to you as you deal with
issues that all of us face at one time or another.Although it was
initially a blow to read about this situation, it was also an opportunity to
reflect on what really matters. As a fan who absolutely loves the Cougar
basketball team, I appreciate the opportunity to put this incredible season into
perspective.Brandon Davies and his success are far more important
than whether BYU wins ANY games the rest of the season. Or so I believe.
re: DC There have been numerous cougars finding joy in the Utes struggles this
year!Sorry to hear this for the cougar team. Just when all of Utah
was begining to beleive their was more to BYU than Jimmer, this happens. I guess
its back to the Jimmmer Show. Good Luck!Why does everyone assume
that BYU is the only team with honor codes? Every team has "team
rules" and if you break them, you pay the conscences.
:( is an understatement. Oh well got move on and get it done, life can jump up
and bite real hard.
As a BYU fan, I just want to say "Thank You" for the good wishes and
good sportsmanship from the Ute fans and Aggie fans here. There is no question
in my mind that you are representative of the vast majority of Ute and Aggie
fans--rabid fans of your school but respectful of other schools and programs as
well. Kudos to you!
The saddest part of all of this...Everyone is judging Brandon (even though they
are wishing him well), everyone is judging BYU and their honor code, and
everyone is judging the situation as a whole and yet, nobody knows the
circumstances. Once again, as people, we are getting caught up in the hype of
the situation. We will all know how things will turn out after the New Mexico
game, but then we still have the colorado game and then the MW tournament. Once
again, we have all looked so far forward to a #1 seed and a final four team that
we have forgotten there are other games to be played. Whatever happens will
happen and sometimes as fans we need to remember the words of our mothers,
"Don't count your chickens before they hatch"
Gut check time for Jimmer and the rest of the Cougars. Losing
Brandon is a significant blow, but Jimmer and Jackson are great senior leaders,
and with the help of a great supporting cast, I believe they'll rise to
occassion to meet this new challenge.Hang in there Brandon. You have
our love and support that you'll be able to get your life back on track, and
hopefully, return to finish your basketball career at BYU.
This incident underscores a fundamental problem with BYU sports in general. No
other school has as rigid an honor code as we do at BYU. We are a church school
and if that is what we truly value, the honor code is entirely justifiable.
Every student wishing to attend BYU should understand that the honor code is
binding on them. With the student-athlete, there should be no difference in
abiding the honor code. However, we are competing for athletes with other
schools where there is no honor code. They can lure student-athletes and make no
pretence that they have to live an honor code and can promise them things we at
BYU can never promise to them. It is, therefore, entirely disingenuous for us to
expect our student athletes to compete at the highest levels with these other
schools. If that means we compete at a lower level, then so be it. Our boosters
should not expect, then, for student-athletes to be competitive at the highest
levels and should not base their contributions to BYU sports for that reason.
Most of these comments have been helping me recover from this loss. Thanks.
Most are class. The others don't concern me, they are meant to annoy, please
ignore them. Good luck to Brandon, I hope to see him next year and I hope all
can forgive him and he can forgive himself. Whatever happens I remain a cougar
through and through.
Protecting the BYU honor code is much more important than winning games.
coleman51 | 11:51 p.m. March 1, 2011 Orem, UTThis incident
underscores a fundamental problem with BYU sports in general. No other school
has as rigid an honor code as we do at BYU. We are a church school and if that
is what we truly value, the honor code is entirely justifiable. Every student
wishing to attend BYU should understand that the honor code is binding on them.
With the student-athlete, there should be no difference in abiding the honor
code. However, we are competing for athletes with other schools where there is
no honor code. ----------Do you assume that athletes that
don't live the honor code are better? That the honor code somehow puts a
student at a disadvantage? Some people feel the same about academics:Did you know that Bobby Knight graduated 98% of his basketball players? Do you know how academically rigid Duke, a private school, is?You know Stanford finished 4th in football, right?The honor code
and LDS religion makes it harder to find athletes who fit the university and
vice versa, but smart people can be athletic, moral people can be athletic,
teetotalers can be athletic, Mormons, too.
I know the kid brought it upon himself, but I do feel bad for him. The poor guy
made a mistake and ended up letting his whole team down.Now that
they won't be in the same conference, I think he should become a Ute! Sit out a
year and then play two years in the PAC 12.
I have no doubt that Brandon is an honorable young man, that he didn't go out of
his way to violate the Honor Code. He made a mistake, that's all. He that is
without sin, cast the first stone. I think you might be able to find a few
others among us who have also made mistakes. Am I disappointed about the impact
on the basketball team? Sure. But basketball is temporary. If BYU lost in the
first round, in the eternal scheme of things, who cares? What is really
important is that Brandon feel the support of everyone and not their judgement.
I'm sure he is feeling pretty bad right now on his own.
"No other school has as rigid an honor code as we do at BYU. "I don't think that's true but... those other universities like Liberty
or Bob Jones University have nothing as far as athletics are concerned.
Here's the quandary all you Yewt trolls are in:If it's just the
Jimmer Show, then how does Davies absence ensure postseason failure?
People commenting on these boards should go to ESPN, and the Tribune boards to
If protecting the honor code is much more important than winning games, then we
should not expect our teams to compete at the highest levels. Let's quit funding
the football and basketball programs and just compete in team play such as
rugby. We should not recruit student-athletes that desire to play professional
sports because that would not be our highest priority. We should not aspire to
play at BCS level football, because an honor code is our highest priority. We
are being entirely dishonest at BYU to claim we can win national championships
in major sports and promise that possibility to student-athletes when we cut our
coaches off at the knees and not allow them to do so. If a student-athlete wants
to compete at a higher level, then don't go to BYU because we should be honest
enough to tell him or her that at BYU, an honor code is more important than
Bracketologist Lunardi hit it right on the head - nothing changes in terms of
rankings/seedings as long as tds continues to find ways to win - as they have
all season! They lost Lloyd and Collinsworth. They'll find a way to adjust. A
lot of it comes down to desire at this point of the season. If the combo of
Abouo (who showed tremendous hustle on one stretch, especially under the basket
once w/ three O-boards in a row to get a put-back, Anderson (who can be a good
big man when he wants to be, and Hartsock (put him on the outside for treys) can
hustle with some heart, they're still gonna do well, folks!Let's see
what happens against the Lobos tonight! Go kewgs!
Bye, Bye, BYUAnother blown season. One and done seems probable at this
I wish Brandon all the best and hope he comes back - both on and off-court. This
shows the school's priorities as we will certainly not make it far now...
@Bo Jangles, you speak the words of a wise man. There are lots of classy Ute
fans out there, you are one of them.
It is truly odd how many can look at this and blame the Church and BYU for their
honor code and can't believe why they just can't "forgive and forget",
or let it go until the end of the season or someother insane idea. What if we
were to do that in the regular world? Let's let Bernie Madolf go and let him
"finish" the current fiscal year! How about we let rapist go and let
them finish their "season"? Let's let all drunk drivers keep driving
until they sober up and all will be forgiven.Thank you BYU for
upholding the Honor Code. In the grand scheme of things and in years to come,
what will matter most is that the standard was kept and that a young man became
a true MAN.
The honor code is not the problem...it's actually a good thing and I wish more
schools had them. What's apparently disappointing about BYU is the almost
fanatical, over reactive response to an ostensible violation. Knee-jerk
punishment against kids who are young and human is certainly not a thoughtful
way to deal with an honor code violation...in my humble opinion.
I really hope Brandon will work through this and come back and be a strong
contributor to the team, even if he has to use a red shirt season to do it. If
he can get past this, it will reveal a man of incredible character. I do wish BYU would be more discrete in their announcement of these type of
actions. I realize because of Brandon's prominence, they have to say something.
But couldn't they say he was suspended for violating team rules, instead of
violating the honor code? The honor code is one of the team rules.When we, the public, hear that he violated the honor code we rush too quickly
to judgement, even though we don't have a clue what happened.I feel
bad for Brandon, I feel bad for the team, and I feel bad for the fans who were
looking forward to a deep run in the tournament. They should still get past the
first round, but they will struggle as soon as the meet up against a team that
has a solid front line. Noah is really our only skilled big man.
I have never been a fan of some aspects of the honor code, but overall I think
it is a good thing for BYU to have, and as has been noted before, BYU's staunch
adherence to it is very commendable, especially when notable athletes are proven
to have no immunity from it. I hope Davies all the best. In the
sports context, this might hurt the b-ball team but it still remains to be seen
how his absence will play out in the long run. It's not over yet. Good luck
Cougars. Go Aggies!
All those that think that BYU 'blew it' and acted hastily just don't get how
things work, either in the Church or at BYU. I guarantee they didn't dismiss
Brandon based on innuendo and perceptions. There had to be hard proof that he
had violated the honor code in some way. And I would imagine that Brandon
acknowledged what he did, whatever it was. THAT is none of our business.Those that mock BYU (and the church, for that matter) because of their
honor code just don't understand what either is about. BYU wasn't made for trips
to the Final Four or the BCS National Championship. It was made to make young
men and women better people that would contribute to society and people of
integrity. Glad I sent all of my kids there, and that I attended there as
well.Brandon will get thru this, I'm sure. And those that are taking
pleasure in this man's pain, or the team's pain, remind me of another being that
wants to make 'all miserable like unto himself'.
I was at a devotional at Ricks Colege when David Bednar said if you don't want
to keep the honor code go somewere else not fair to those that don't get
accepted.People agreed to a code before they signed up. A 5 o clock
shadow staying 5 minutes late won't get you sent home. But repated
disobedience, Word of Wisdom and Chastity will. I remember a High
School coach had a rule that you were home before 10:00 night before game.
Player stayed up until 4 am before championship game. Didn't get to play. People need to be willing to live by honor code. I remember Bryant
Gumbel saying how bad BYU was for suspending Jenkins. Him and his Girlfriend
were kicked out too. One sided. when other schools beg you to come there.
I find it funny that many are saying things like "I know Brandon is a fine
young man" or "I admired Brandon personally." Umm . . do you know
him personally? Maybe he's a fine young man (whatever that means), maybe not. My
suspicion is, none of you really know anything about his character. Neither do
I.I do know that he grew up in Provo and was presumably in close
contact with the school for several years, so if any prospect had clarity in
regards to the realities of life as a BYU athlete, it was (or should have been)
him. I don't wish him ill in life. If he's willing to swallow his pride and
actually come back and play for the Y again next year, that would demonstrate
uncommon humility and courage. To quote Bill Parcells, "You are
what your record says you are." While life isn't quite that simple and
neat, there's a solid point there. "Good kid" or not, actions matter.
Choices matter. Coaches everywhere use the "good kid" line any time a
player gets in trouble. Is anyone a "bad kid"? Good luck, Brandon, but
it's on you.
Selfish, selfish, selfish. I don't care how old you are or what your hormone
level is. You signed the Code. Your teammates trusted and counted on you - as
they do on every other man in uniform. To do this to them is deplorable. I hope
you get your life in order, and upon great reflection, if you want back in,
perhaps now you will understand what it means when you make a promise - to the
school and to your teammates. The rest of the world, particularly up north, may
laugh us to scorn, but the day we succumb to their "value" system will
be a far sadder day than today.
President Uchtdorf identified as areas where the sin of pride is apparent.
"As priesthood bearers, we must realize that all of God's children wear the
same jersey," he said. "Our team is the brotherhood of man. This
mortal life is our playing field. Our goal is to learn to love God and to extend
that same love toward our fellowman."I don't see anything wrong
with some good natured ribbing but the name calling and beyond is really out of
hand. I am looking at both sides here BYU and Utah. Chill out.I
hope the young man can get back on track and finish his schooling so he has
career options beyond basketball.BTW, Jimmer is no Danny Ainge and
it will show in this year's tourney just like last year.
Brandon is a great kid with a great future. He is a winner. He will work with
the powers that be to get over this difficulty. And when he does, he will be
back on the team, better than ever. I will be looking forward to it.Playing for BYU is a special deal. Nowhere else in the country are you held
to such a high standard. Whether you are an athlete, or an intellectual, when
you choose BYU you know what you getting into. Come back Brandon. You can do
it. We love you.A BYU athlete represents the University and the
institution that sponsors it. Now for those who think BYU should
have looked the other way, you are the very same ones who would yell and scream
and complain if BYU had not help true to their charter. If you want to find
fault there are plenty of ways for you to do that, but this is how it had to be.
The rest of our team will just have to step in and pick up the
pieces. Sorry Coach Alford, your NM team is going down today.
This is really nothing to cheer about even as a Ute fan. I feel bad
for Dave Rose and the seniors on this team who have relied on this kid. The kid
made a choice when he signed with byU and he did not live up to it.Good luck coogs
I most agree with Coleman51 from Orem. We all want Davies to learn and grow
from this - check. We support the honor code - check. We respect BYU for
having integrity - check. Life's lessons are more important than basketball -
check. These are all obvious things that nearly everyone supports here on the
boards. And they all happen to be entirely irrelevant.For me, I
take hours out of my week, park myself on a sofa, and watch and support BYU
basketball because they are really good this year and I want to see them make a
significant run in the tournament. You see, I make this investment of time to
see good BASKETBALL and nothing else. Not to see wholesome people. Not to see
integrity and honesty. Not to see moral ethics. Not to hear happy talk. I
want my team to win because I'm a BASKETBALL fan. If I want to
learn of heroic deeds, integritous living, and honorable choices, I can watch
Ken Burns's Civil War series anytime I want.But Davies being
dismissed from the team is going to hurt the BASKETBALL team, and that's all I
care about right now.
I don't know what to say.One of your best players too.Oh well.
So much for The tourney..or BOTH of them.Lots luck!
I don'know anything about what the violations were, nor do I care. That is for
Brandon and Brandon alone. It doesn't matter what is in the code, the thing is
that anyone at the Y agrees to it. I recall my dad telling me about the times
when a "a man's word was his bond." I believe that Brandon has told us
all that his word is his bond. Great character, great future and he can walk
head held high. Good luck Cougars, you can do it, adversity brings out strength
Dude! What is wrong with you? Stop being human!
I believe that Brandon is a fine young man.He apparently made a mistake
and I fully anticipate that he will set things right.Very proud of
BYU for setting principle above winning. In reality this is putting the
spiritual needs of a young man ahead of anything else.When I was
young and stupid I made many mistakes. Fortunately none of them had harmful
lasting consequences.The rest of the team will step up and BYU will
become that much more dangerous.
Wow! Bummer there, Cougs.But I'm not too upset. He's a big boy,
knows the rules.Can Jimmer play center?
We are a top five team in the country. we don't need Brandon because we are
BYU! We are goign to win it all this year and the utsies don't have a chance!
lol! When you are a top 5 PROGRAM (not just team, mind you), when
stuff like this happens, you just reload. Sure Brandon was good, but there are
at least five guys on the team behind him who are just as good, if not better.
To all you utsies, dont worry, we are THE u. around here and we will
eb the best!
I feel bad for Davies and hope he can work things out. I reffereed him in HS and
thought he was a great kid and still think so.When you consider
where to play you need to really think about that honor code. He could have had
a great career at the other schools along the Wasatch Front and that violation
(whatever it is) would not have mattered.Best of luck.GO
this is a bummer for the TDS, I was really hoping they would represent the MWC
well. Hopefully, they'll come together and play well.
I have an almost 10 year old boy who absolutely loves BYU and Brandon! He was
able to get his picture with him and an autograph at the BYU/UNLV game a few
weeks back. Brandon was such a good role model for my boy, and now I'm saddened
by what has happened. But I think Brandon can be an even better role model for
all young men out there by taking care of this and making it right! We love you
Brandon and really hope to see you next year!!
This story seems relevant: At the beginning of Bill Walton's senior year at UCLA
(after being national player of the year his junior year), Walton shows up to
the first day of practice with long hair. Coach John Wooden told him that his
hair was unacceptable. Walton said, "you don't have the right to tell me
to cut my hair". Wooden said, "you are right Bill, I don't. I only
have the right to determine who will play. I admire people who have strong
beliefs and stick by them. I really do. We're going to miss you." Walton
got on his bike and went and got his hair cut immediately. Some people
will never understand principles and integrity, including some of my patients.
Dont worry Brandon, it will only be 6 games MAX.
Part of the problem with College athletics is the competitive level of the top
schools. If a student goes to Texas or Florida, they can compete with full
expectation that if they are good enough, they can play professionally. We at
BYU have accepted an honor code which everyone entering that university should
abide by. They have made that committment. That committment trumps all other
considerations for the student-athlete at BYU. At most any other major school
and program, Brandon would likely have continued playing. BYU's honor code
prevents his playing. Therefore, it is not unreasonable for me to conclude that
it is entirely unreasonable for BYU fans to expect to compete at the highest
level of college athletics and we should not put that type of pressure on our
student-athletes and coaches. Perhaps Division 1 college athletics is not where
we belong. Regardless, this incident underscores the need to re-examine the role
of the student-athlete at BYU. This is not a criticism of the honor code, simply
a question of whether we can compete at the highest level with that honor code
and whether we should be.
Ouch, this hurts. Sorry BYU fans. The rest of the road just got tougher. Hope
Brandon is able to work through whatever the problem is.
Why can't they look the other way until after the season? We've got a good
thing going.They've done that with Jim McMahon and countless other
A big hit to BYU chances. They are an outside shooting team and very weak in
the middle (USU would have likely gone on to beat them at home if Wesley did not
get the bad call) They can not afford to give up what little inside play they
Once the coaches and administration found out about the violation they had no
choice but to suspend Brandon. If they hadn't, they would have demonstrated that
they have weaker morals than those that broke the code in the first place. This is a sad situation for everyone. There are no winners here, but I
have to admire any person or organization that will stand up and take their
medicine, pick up the pieces and continue on.Best of luck Brandon, I
wish you the best after you have been put into a spotlight that you didn't want
to be in. Hold your head high and act with honor. One honor code violation
doesn't make you a bad person, how you react after the violation will determine
the man you will be.
There have been some posts by posers on here putting words in my mouth. While I
am not a big fan of tds, I am neither so insensitive as to make some of the more
callous comments attributed to me. Personally, I don't want to see Davies off
the team for this kind of reason. I don't think tds is as good as advertised,
but when you lose, I want it to be with your best players on the court. Anything
short of that simply provides an excuse, and I don't want you to have any
excuses for your tournament loss. So, cewgs, like you I am unhappy to see Davies
kicked off the team. In fact, I am quite unhappy about it. Believe it or not.
Now what's the harm in waiting a few weeks to administer punishment. Isn't
Christ merciful and "slow to anger"? Is it not punishment also to
everyone else that the honor code board is robbing the dreams of the team, the
hopes of the students and alumni, and the prestige of the university?
Time to reconsider BYU student-athlete situation. I would like to see BYU
getting out of sports all together. I agree with another blogger....when I watch
BYU basketball I don't celebrate their morals, I celebrate a good basketball
game and I wish for their victory, no their salvation.
Chris B's psychiatrist | 9:07 a.m. March 2, 2011 Iowa City, IAThis
story seems relevant: At the beginning of Bill Walton's senior year at UCLA
(after being national player of the year his junior year), Walton shows up to
the first day of practice with long hair. Coach John Wooden told him that his
hair was unacceptable. Walton said, "you don't have the right to tell me to
cut my hair". Wooden said, "you are right Bill, I don't. I only have
the right to determine who will play. I admire people who have strong beliefs
and stick by them. I really do. We're going to miss you." Walton got on his
bike and went and got his hair cut immediately. Some people will never
understand principles and integrity, including some of my patients.---------Dude (or dudette), you ROCK! Great story, plus a GREAT
handle and alter ego!
Re: BYU competing at the "highest level," it depends on what you mean
by "compete." If you mean "win national championships,"
then, yeah, it's going to be tough. But guess what . . that's tough for
everyone. How many schools from "power" conferences have never won an
NCAA title, rarely (if ever) make it to a FF, or get to the (fraudulent) BCS
Championship game?I know for many hoops fans east of the Rockies,
simply being in one of the "power" conferences means you're competing
at the "highest level." How many programs actually deserve the label
"elite"? Duke? NC? Syracuse? Kansas? There are a handful of others,
but it's a relatively short list. Of course BYU isn't on the list. What
reasonable fan could say they should be? But are they "competitive"?
Again, what reasonable opponent could say they aren't? I'd love a FF and/or
national championship. I'd be giddy. But I can live with "consistently
competitive."This is especially true if becoming
"elite" means loosening the requirements to attend BYU. The school is
what it is; if it costs us a shot at most blue-chip players, so be it.
This honor code thing is getting out of control! I can't understand why these
kids at BYU are held to a higher standard than the rest of the church. They
need to figure out a better way of handling these issues. And don't tell me
that this is something they signed up for, because we all sign up for things in
life and all of us make mistakes.
BYU would have kept him on the team if they could. I'm sure this honor code
violation was something that was huge and was going to go public, so the
university was forced to take immediate action.
Much has been said about how this shows there is not a double standard for high
profile athletes. I wonder about that. It seems that only the high profile
people get this kind of treatment. It has been too long since I was at the Y to
draw any conclusions from what I saw (and didn't see). I realize Brandon is
still a student ("as of now") but does anyone really, actually know of
situations where students were suspended for honor code violations? I hope so. I
hope there is equal treatment for all.midwestfan said it best,
"it is not disaster for the young man." Hang in there Brandon!
BYU sports are an extention of the University and LDS Church's mission to
provide a quality education within the framework of a positive culture. I hope
people realize this and support the school and their policies. I applaud the
school and appreciate their efforts to 'do the right thing'. I'm LDS, but NOT,
I repeat NOT a BYU fan!. I love sports, but truly believe the school must honor
it's mission and purpose for existence. I wish this young man the best as he
works to "improve himself" off the court.
"This honor code thing is getting out of control! I can't understand why
these kids at BYU are held to a higher standard than the rest of the
church"I agree with you. Infact many out of state Non LDS see
this as odd, antiquated, and unreasonable in todays society. I'm not so sure
this comes off as good exposure.
Ignore Chris B. He only wants to get everyone riled up and it just isn't worth
it. As a Utah fan, I am really sad to hear this news. My sons are huge BYU
fans and this has been an exciting year. I don't think the Cougars are down and
out yet. My guess is that they will adjust and someone else will step up. I
wish them the best in the tournament!
Brandon, work things out, get things right and we hope to see you next season.
Your teammates will try their best to finish what you started. Do what you need
to do and we'll look for you next year. Our prayers are with you.OK
Cougs, who's going to step up their game and show they are worthy to be on a
championship team? I would like to see someone come in off the bench and fill
in like nothing happened, nothing changed. Who will it be?
ESPN this morning asked a valid question... Can BYU ever win a championship with
it strict honor code? The answer from ESPN is NO!!! I agree. 99.9999% of
colleges would not have suspened Brandon but of course at the Y the honor code
rules supreme with ZERO tolerance and no second chanches. Sure glad the
atonement isn't that way because we would all be hosed.
I went to BYU for a year. I am not LDS.I left because while the
education was good, there is way too much control over the students. But I knew
that going in. But I couldn't believe it was going to be all that
bad, so I went.But it was. Rather than get dismissed, I left.Not for me, but if you want to stay, you gotta live their rules.
patriot,Way to bring the atonement into this conversation. So
you're suggesting that the atonement means there are no consequences for doing
things we're not supposed to? Brilliant - I'd love to see the general authority
quote on that one.No second chance? Is he barred from playing for
BYU next season or the season after? Or by second chance do you mean
- no punishment for doing things you promised not to do?I'm
continually amazed that the hatred for all things BYU completely confuses people
and how they try and twist the gospel into proving it's different than what BYU
stands for.Hate to tell you the two are very much intertwined.Both teach there are consequences for wrong. And both teach there is
forgiveness(Brandon can come back next year)By the way bud - didn't
God say something about ZERO tolerance for evil?And before you go
all holier than thou on us - you brought all this up - I'm just happy to point
out our illogical thinking.
Patriot! That is actually hilarious!But a private school can have
whatever rules they want...as inane, archaic, puritanical and prude as they
@jazzman123"This honor code thing is getting out of control! I can't
understand why these kids at BYU are held to a higher standard than the rest of
the church. They need to figure out a better way of handling these issues. And
don't tell me that this is something they signed up for, because we all sign up
for things in life and all of us make mistakes. "And there are
always CONSEQUENCES to our actions. That is unavoidable. With BYU, the Honor
Code is very clear on the penalty for breaking it. To do otherwise for anyone,
even Jimmer, would make BYU look like a bunch of double talking liars (kind of
like the US Gov't). Brandon will be a better person for this,
because he will have suffered the consequences for his actions. I pray he gets
thru whatever it is and becomes a better man and not a bitter one. It is up to
him.As for the team, it will be tough. Tonite's game will be
emotional for them. But Coach Rose is a good coach and will get the most from
his squad. And we always have Jimmer!Go cougars!
Bo Jingles... where's your original comment?"The trolls should
be a little more respectful in times like this. Some of the comments have sunk
to new lows and why DNews has allowed them to cross the line of civility is
amazing."Let's set the record straight my friend. My comment
above was never directed at the classy Ute fans sympathizing the current state
of affairs for Brandon Davies and BYU Basketball. How you can misconstrue this
is beyond me.Any reasonable thinking individual after reading the
many comments could easily figure out what I was referring to. It's a shame that
the "line of civility" is often defined by the minority and that was
my point.Unlike the 'trolls' that take cheap shots at BYU for the
sake of their religious bigotry I just don't recall using the same thought
processes in any of my comments, ALL of them!A little friendly
banter, tongue in cheek, rib poking is one thing, religious bigotry is another.
Was your post removed because you "chuckled" too loud or
was it because someone finally realized that your comment #2 crossed "the
line of civility"?Go Cougars! Win out tonite!
To: coleman51 | 9:15 a.m. March 2, 2011 Orem, UT - I first have to say that you
have described the sitiuation correctly at BYU. However, to think that you need
to sacrifice individual integrity in order to compete at the highest level is
not correct. In my line of work, individual integrity is foremost and I am
associated with many of the best world-class individuals you can find in my
profession. One should never scarifice their integrity or honor in order to win
as this is a shallow victory at best. When you go to BYU you have accepted the
honor code and signed on the line, which means you have given your word that you
will follow this. Yes, there will be mistakes and there will be consequences.
This is real life and don't make the mistake that winning first overshadows
one's personal integrity. I like to win, but win with honor and integrity, that
is a true victory.
To: hedgehog | 10:32 a.m. March 2, 2011 Ann Arbor, MI - When you put yourself in
the spot-light, your actions are always amplified to those looking on. The
standards are the same for all in the church. Most athletic programs have team
rules and expectations. This is not specific to BYU. Personal integrity never
goes out of style and is not antiquated nor is it unreasonable. Take a look at
our recent economic crisis and some of the issues related to banks and
investments. Seems that this type of standard is exactly what we need as a
nation. I also support a young man who stands up and accepts responsibility for
his actions and the consequences of those actions. That lesson will pay
dividends far beyond the court or this season. Seems to me that our society is
out of touch with reality. Nothing wrong with exposure that makes a statement.
I haven't read the comments related to this story, and I'm not going to. I'll
just say I feel bad for this guy. Just imagine if speculation about your
personal life was national news. Let's all wish this poor guy the very best.
To: In My Humble Opinion: Thanks! I don't think anyone has ever told me that I
"rock" before. To others: It is interesting that some contend
that BYU cannot compete at the highest level due to the honor code. Others
contend that BYU's season will be a failure if they lose in the first round of
the NCAA tournament or don't win the MWC tournament, or lose another game, etc.
Many of you who think this way, have it wrong. BYU's season has already been a
success. They have won 94% of their games, provided great entertainment, taught
principles to young men, etc. It is in these accomplishments that satisfaction
and happiness are found. Think about it. If each of you in your life have to be
the absolute best in what you do, you are going to be unhappy. If you are a
great salesman (or whatever you want to insert here in place of salesman) and
you win the top award for your region, but not the national award, you are not a
failure. Some of my patients will never understand this, and that is sad.
Hedgehog posts: Infact many out of state Non LDS see this as odd, antiquated,
and unreasonable in todays society. I'm not so sure this comes off as good
exposure."I agree with you Hedgehog that many see this as
unreasonable in todays society, but I respectfully disagree that it comes off as
as bad exposure. As a father, I want my children to know that people can
be honest, people can live lives that are not filled with promiscuity, people
can live lives out of duty, honor and commitment. It is not antiquated and
unreasonable...it's just been forgotten. I want my sons and daughters to
stand out, not because they may be tremendous athletes, musicians or the most
intelligent in class, but because they live a code of honor that tells them to
be honest, to be morally clean, to live up to the contracts they agreed to and
that if they make a mistake, they will have consequences, and to joyfully accept
those consequences knowing they can always pick themselves up and be even
Patriot is wrong about the honor code. There are second chances, but the
problem is it takes time to prove to the school that you are ready to come back.
In today's sports world any kid with pro aspirations usually moves on, because
they can't afford to wait the time. The school isn't telling these kids to move
on, the sports world is.
Chris B right 2 times and wrong 27 times.
To much pressure to play at BYU and being a Mormon. Being perfect and not being
able to make mistakes would kill me!
BYU should go down to Div II. They actually belong there.With
returned missionaries, and an "education first" bent,they would
competing where they have an actual chance at winning, (this basketball year,
and men's volleyball aside.)
Some of the commentators here say they don't see why BYU had to suspend Davies
for the honor code violation as soon as they found out about it.For
Most people BYU and the LDS church are one and the same. If you are a student at
BYU and you do not live all standards to the highest, it will be talked about by
those watching the LDS for any mis-step. The whole "dig a hole for your
neighbor" thing. Think of the out cry from anti-mormons who found out that
an athlete was not suspended, or the punishment was postponed until a more
convenient time. The outrage would be unparalleled. The hate and opposition that
would bring to the LDS church.There is only one choice for BYU to
make after they found out one of there athletes broke the honor code. They did
the only thing they could. How is that so hard to understand. There was no room
for compassion because he was such a high profile athlete.
@mike in sandyAnother ute troll telling BYU they need to quit
athletics or move down a level. Why is that? They already dominate the vast
majority of the teams at the D1 level. They are perenially in the top 25
athletic programs across the board. In many sports they are a top 10 mainstay
and in others a top 25 mainstay and in others a top 25 regular. They compete at
the highest level all of the time in almost every sport they compete in.No school wins national championships in multiple sports with any
freqeuncy. No school wins national championships in any one sport with that much
frequency. Quite frankly the fact BYU does what they do, and is a top 25 overall
athletic program with the restrictions they impose on themselves is absolutely
remarkable. The university of utah on the otherhand, with no moral
code, with no self imposed restrictions, doesn't come anywhere close to the
level of success BYU enjoy's across the board.This is simply jealous
ute trolls that know they cannot compete so they hope BYU will just step aside
so they can hopefully default into the top Mormon recruits. Dream on.
As antiquated, old fashioned and out of date the honor code may be, for some
strange reason, young people from all over the world choose to come here and
signup to live by it. You would think the enrollment would go down as people
realize how controlled their lives will be at BYU. Or could it be that they are
MORE in control of their own lives than many students at other universities who
waste their time and money drinking, partying, and pursuing sex. Maybe if more
colleges had an honor code of conduct, our country wouldn't be experiencing the
steep moral decline we find ourselves in today. I know that things are never
perfect anywhere, but the honor code at BYU makes students think about their
honesty before enrolling. Good luck Brandon. Hope to see you play next year at
@Duckhunter 2:25pm March 2:Your comment gets the Pulitzer Prize - I
couldn't have said it better.BYU Athletics' record and the ability
to compete for decades at the highest level speaks for itself - much to the
dismay of some people.
The only difference between BYU's honor code and the things expected of all LDS
members are the grooming standards. All of the other things in the honor code,
abstaining from alcohol, tobacco, drgus, hot drinks, pre marital sex, etc. are
all expected of all LDS members. If a member does participate in any of those
things they lose privileges such as temple attendence, callings, fellowship,
paying tithes, etc. In otherwords it is almost the same.If you were
to drink a coffee once you will not get suspended from BYU or lose your church
priveleges. If you are a constant drinker then you probably would. Ditto for
almost all of the other items in the honor code. Of course there are some things
that will get you excommunicated or disfellowshipped from the church. They are
more serious things and those more serious things are also the ones that will
get you suspended from BYU.I question whether the enforecment of the
honor code is too harsh at times, I think it probably is, but the basics of it
are no different than what all LDS should be living anyway.
"To much pressure to play at BYU and being a Mormon. Being perfect and not
being able to make mistakes would kill me!"BYU obviously isn't
meant for everybody.Your hyperbole aside, however, nobody has to be
perfect to play at BYU. For decades, thousands of BYU athletes, LDS and non-LDS,
have managed to live the Honor Code and still compete.
It is reassuring to know that in this world of situational ethics and turning a
blind eye to the behavior of the athletically gifted there is an institution
that stands by its standards and extends the warned of consequences to those who
dishonor the standards they agreed to uphold.That is why BYU turns
out more good people than good athletes.Too bad the selfish behavior
of one will so strongly effect rest of the team.
After reading a few comments, I have to say that I couldn't be more impressed
with the BYU fans and attitude in general. Rather than vilify Davies and blame
him for a monumental letdown for the whole university and community at large,
people seem to care more about the player and his future happiness and success
than they do about winning basketball games and their dreams of a final four
appearance. Absolutely amazing. You're all inspiring. This incident shows the
true character of this university and its supporters. Thanks for displaying an
incredible amount of maturity and ability to see the big picture.
Brandon pack your bags and move north to the U of U
Wow. This is the first time in a LONG time I have actually seen a consequence to
having a sexual relationship before marriage. Now, can anyone
explain to me why people ask the LGBT community to 'wait until marriage' to have
sex... and then work to DENY them marriage?
Never give up