Just like Dave Rose said - he is staying away what seeding they should be and
one game at a time. I have the same thought what he was thinking. NM will be
tough and hopefully Cougar players won't show any fatiques.Go Cougars
Jeff, Why this article BEFORE the MWC tournament?? BYU has a great team and I
like our chances, but we have not MADE the case until we've finished all
business. I've been watching BYU for 40 years and we fans and you BYU media
people constantly make the mistake of promoting the team (football and
basketball) before all games have been played. The players and coaches don't do
this. Knock it off and go back to reporting on what HAS happened. So
far, the polls show much of the country still doesn't believe BYU belongs at the
top. We may have to beat SDSU 5 times before they finally rank us ahead of them.
There are some great teams out there who have a habit of playing their best ball
just now. We have a horrible post-season record for both football and
basketball. Let's take it one game at a time and see how far we go.
2 more regular season wins.MWC tourney sweep.Final 4 appearance.Jimmer NCAA POY.Mark it down!
I wouldn't put BYU in a #1 slot. Having watched the game on Saturday, its
obvious they are a top team. I just wouldn't put them in there with the lack of
recent tournament success. Until the Cougs prove they can win in the tournament
I don't think they deserve a #1 seed. Their problem will come when they play
teams where every position is athletically dominated by the other team.
I'm a BYU fan and what's not to like about this year's team. Jimmer has rock
star status and is recognized as one of the best, if not the best player in the
country this year. But let's get realistic about this No. 1 seed business.BYU does not have a perfect record. In fact they've lost (2) games to
unranked teams. The only ranked teams they beat are Utah State (a great team)
and San Diego State and incredibly over-rated team who hasn't beat any teams
that are nationally ranked except Gonzaga, who's been out of the Top 25 for some
time now.BYU deserves a very high spot, maybe even a #2 seed, but
are they one of the four best teams in the country?
BYU beats #1 Miami, then loses to lowly UTEP. Was that who they lost to shortly
after? I don't remember. Does anyone remember? Does it matter who they lost to?
Fact is, they got all busy reading headlines about national championships and
BAM, they beat the #1 team in the nation to lose to some no-body (relative to
the big win) and its all over.BYU may well lose to New Mexico,
again. Then there is the MWC Tournament, which UNLV has dominated, plus possible
dances with New Mexico and San Diego State, again. BYU has at least 3 serious
games ahead of them. Throw in they could lose to another 'UTEP' at any
time...GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME! Out of the newspapers!
Citing BYU's past performances in the NCAA tournament as a reason not to seed
THIS team #1 is just plain dumb. This is a different team! The fact that some
team five or ten years ago played well or not so well is irrelevant--different
players, different coach. RPI is used to settle disagreements about strength of
schedule and relative performances. BYU is #1 in RPI. BYU's only fault is that
they don't play in a conference that has exposure in the East, where this year
they would play quite well (see RPI). Whether a #1 or #2, BYU should go deep
into the tournament and could very well be a Final Four team. Steve Fisher
should know. He has actually coached a final four team and I believe they won a
The "body of work" shows they are in consideration. That's all for
naught if they don't take care of business against a team they lost to a few
weeks ago...right after beating SDSU at home. New Mexico is a roadblock they
must overcome. Wyoming is having a terrible season and so BYU must be careful
with them as well. Nothing is a given. Then on to Las Vegas to play in the
UNLV invitational. Nothing is easy. If they run the table, #1 seed is
completely justified. Most likely will still not happen. Just too much
anti-MWC press. In the end, #2 seed or #1 seed really don't matter if you don't
advance. I love this BYU team. They are strong. They are focused. And they
are winners. GO COUGS! The next 30 days will be a lot of fun!
The bias rhetoric against BYU is amazing. Someone always throws something out
from left field as a reason to not consider this team. Please tell me in what
scenario do people cite the prior 10+ years of performance as a reason to
exclude a team from what's currently happening? Syracuse has their share of
tournament failures as well but no one would ever suggest they don't deserve a
seed because of past failures.The team should be judged on the
merits of their current performance. That's all that should be taken into
consideration. If they deserve to be a #1 seed, so be it. Let this year stand
apart from years past. If it's a #2 seed, no big deal. I disagree that the MWC
tourney should somehow have a final evaluation of this team. They've proven
they can win on the road and at home in and out of conference. The tourney is
for teams that are on the bubble to make one last push.
Bigger question - Does tds WANT a 1 seed?In the history of the
tournamnet no #1 seed has ever lost to a 16.Does tds really want
that kind of recognition?Perhaps I'll be cheering for a tds 1 seed
Let's play ball first and see what happens. Not much difference in my opinion of
whether BYU is a #1 or #2. It's all up to the dance committee anyway. Just not a
debate worth getting all worked up about in my opinion.Let's focus
on the next game, then the next one, then the MWC tournament. The NCAA
Tournament will then be the focus. The great thing is that BYU has a
dance card this year and a nationally recognized team. That's a great way to end
MWC affiliation and say 'HELLO' to independence.Thanks to Jimmer and
Co. a lot of good media relations has been fostered.Wonder what's
happening up on troll hill?
@JMTI remember...BYU's football team beat #1 Miami in 1990 in the Ty
Detmer era, then lost to Oregon the week after. Their football team lost to UTEP
in 1985 when Bosco was QB, after beating #3 UW and losing to UCLA. I remember
lots of times when BYU beat a good team only to lose to a lesser one. But not
Miami and UTEP. If you take the top 10 at the end of any football and basketball
season, BYU will have a worse post-season record. Football: one win in the
Cotton Bowl in 1998. Basketball: Elite 8 once in 1981. It's time we put up or
shut up. I hope this is the year we get it done for basketball.Let's
see where we all are 2 weeks from now and then discuss who "deserves"
to be a number 1 seed.
#1 seed is a bestowed honor.For what really matters, you still have
to beat your opponent.I like being GIVEN honors I may have earned,
but I like better winning it at the bottom line.This team has earned
a #1 seed. Whether they get it or not would be nice, fills print inches for
writers, but really doesn't matter.What matters most is Wednesday
night. Then what matters most is Saturday. And then 3 games in Las Vegas.
Then take what comes and ride it for all it's worth
BYU also beat Arizona this season, currently a top 10 team. That also
contributes to their strength of schedule.Despite that, I think a
number 2 seed would work out better all round--less hoopla and distraction--and
it's probably where they realistically should be without a dominant big.
In the tournament, where there is more physical play by bigger and stronger
players than BYU has seen up to this point, between Jimmer and the BYU fans
there will be so much whining that the team will lose confidence and therefore
lose in the second round. BYU fans toot their horn way too much. They who toot
their horn the most are usually in the thickest fog.
From what I'm seeing all #1 seeds play on the Friday - Sunday schedule the first
week . . . I may be wrong, but I'm going off Lunardi's locations and the NCAA's
schedule . . . #1 seeding may be a moot point if that is the case.
I hate to see the East Coast Basketball Hegemony in action, but it will be the
same old song. DUKE, DUKE, DUKE.Yawn.Money rules. And there's a lot
more money to be made for the T.V. sponsors, by favoring your East Coast Cash
Look at rpi, sos, record against rpi top 50. This isn't rocket science. This
years record should be 99% of the consideration. I don't care where
they are seeded as much as who they are seeded against. Matchups are important.
It takes luck and good fortune to make it far in the tournament.
Just about every team in the country has at least one loss against teams that
are much worse than them. Sometimes things just fall in place for the weaker
team. BYU has a great team this year. Decent inside with at least 5 threats
from the 3-point line.
Hopefully BYU gets to Denver. There is a huge following of the Cougs in
Colorado. The AF home game was 50% Cougar faithful. Additioanlly it is not far
from Utah. BYU would likely be the crowd favorite. Follow that up with a
likley home court advantage in Annaheim and the Cougs are on the way to final
four status. A lot of ball to still play but that would be a very favorable
route to the final four. Something they very seldom have in the NCAA
tournament. Go Cougs!
The real issue here for a #1 seems to have more to do with the simple fact that
there are really only two #1 seed available for BYU- not all 4- remember BYU
must be seeded in a slot that plays the Th/Sat games and so that makes the
equation more complex for seeding BYU as a #1- which region do you give them-
well you only have two choices and that may play heavily on the selection comm.
ability to seed them as a 1
See Lunardi's bracketology. Based on his locations (#1s play in Tulsa,
Charlotte and Cleveland (x2)) Each of these locations is scheduled for Friday -
Sunday. If this is true, the highest seed BYU could get is a #2 in West or East
region.Anybody know the scheduling factors behind NCAA's decisions?
ECR:You forgot AZ. ST. Marys has been in and out of the top 25 and
UTEP has also been close to being ranked (admittedly not made it into the top 25
yet though). Morpunkt:Agreed. there has been a lot of
hoopla about the Big East being so great, but I don't see it.
I'd be fine with a 1 or 2, & don't think it matters much-but
the arguments about duke are ridiculous- Duke has lost 3 games, 2 to unranked
teams (and the third wasn't ranked until just recently), have a weaker schedule,
a weaker RPI, and a weaker conference. Just because it's duke and mike k
doesn't give them automatic priority.Good luck this week Cougars,
and in the MWC tournament. Can't wait as I'll be there cheering you on all
My prediction is that BYU will run the table through the MWC tournament. Jimmer
will be the Player of the Year for the NCAA. The MWC will place Kawhi Leonard at
it's player of the year and Steve Fisher as the coach of the year. The only
serious attention BYU will get will be national attention. A one seed is
possible, although a two seed more likely.
As a Cougs Fan, I obviously hope they get a #1 seed in the West; however, the
reality is that I believe the East Coast bias will simply prevent it. MWC is a
Top 4 conf. this year; however, I still feel MWC is still
unappreciated/recognized nationally-- thank you Craig Thompson with that top
notch MWC TV contract!!
In Arizona | 7:56 a.m. Feb. 28, 2011 That's not a coherent analysis
of the Cougar team. Those generic criticisms would fit any top team. It's like
saying one of the two teams will lose a given game.
This is premature. They have to win out first, the remainder of the regular
season and the MWC tournament, before their "case is made".The caption would better read, 'the Cougars are making a case for a no. 1
BYU can't be a #1 seed this year. The only #1 seed that plays on Sat, plays the
2nd week on Sun. BYU will have to be the #2 seed in Denver to avoid any Sun
play (or a lower seed). There is no other way, unless CBS Sports has the
brackets posted incorrectly. It probably has something to do with stagering the
games so they can all be televised. #2 is not much different than #1, except
the #2 will end up playing the #1 if they both win out - so that means
conversely that the #1 will be playing the #2 if they both win out. I'm very ok
with BYU being a #2 seed. That is the way it has to be. If they receive the #1
seed they will have to decline it anyway because of the no Sun play.
"BYU has had a No. 1 profile all season. The problem is, there weren't
enough No. 1 seed spots open," Lunardi explained Saturday night.
"Well, Duke's loss and the loss by Texas have given that crack to the
Cougars. It's really BYU against Duke for the fourth No. 1 seed. BYU has a
better RPI, a better strength of schedule and more top 50 wins. They also have
10 true road wins, most in the country. So it's Brigham Young, No. 1 in the
West."Since when did previous performance x out current play?
SDSU was being considered for the #1 spot and they've NEVER won a tournery game.
Stop with the glass ceiling for the Cougs, they deserve to be #1. Any other team
in the country with their RPI would have it sewn up even if they didn't win
their conf. tourney.
What no comment from HedgeHog ??1 or 2 seed in the Tournament, I'll
take it! There doesn't seem to be that truely elite team from the Eastern Big
Basketball Programs this year, BYU may have a real good shot at Final 4 &
Championship Game ! With a clutch player like Jimmer and the play of other
players like Jackson Emery, Noah Hartstock, Brandon Davies, Charles Abouo, Kyle
Collinsworth and Stephan Rodgers stepping up late in the season, BYU just may be
the best team going into the Tournament this year. Dave Rose has done a
outstanding job, in my opinion he is easily in the top 5 best coaches in the
country, with him running the B-Ball Program BYU will be mention with the best
in NCAA Basketball for years to come! BYU! don't let him get away! Pay him
what he is worth!
There seem to be a lot of insight into the obvious here. Of course they have to
win Wed and probably win out - to get the #1 Seed. That's part of what this is
about. Enjoy the moment and where they are TODAY. They'll be wherever they ARE 2
weeks from now.If they were talking about Duke or Texas or Pitt
instead, we'd be a collective basket case right now - because the Cougs took
care of business and they didn't. If you're not in the Top-Seed dialog now, the
Committee won't suddenly decide you're relevant two week from now. Enjoy it and
go win games! Go Cougs! Go Jimmer!
panamadesnews and Salt, BYU CAN get a #1 seed. The selection committee
picks the top four teams and then they make whatever changes need to be made to
accommodate those teams. BYU had a seed in 2003 that required them to play on
Sunday if they made it to the Sweet 16. They didn't, but the committee told them
they would make whatever changes they had to to accommodate them if they made it
that far. Those posted dates and schedules are not set in stone. If BYU deserves
a #1 seed they will get it.
Why should BYU's postseason history have any bearing on their seeding this year?
Have they been upset in any NCAA tournament? Not really, if you consider that
an 8-9 matchup is as close as you get to a tossup game. Whoever wins that game,
it's not an upset by any standard. So, BYU has pretty much held serve for their
seeding. Why would they be punished for that?But, of course the
NCAA basketball seeding committee will also be looking at BYU's history of
winning football bowl games for some unknown reason, if you listen to some
commenters. You realize BYU has won 4 of the last 5 bowl games, don't you? Oh,
I get it - they'll be looking at BYU's FIRST 5 bowl games, 30 years ago. I
guess it's another 8 seed for BYU this year.
Joe Lunardi now has BYU as a #1 seed in the West in his Bracketology. From what
ESPN is showing, the 1st and 2nd round games in Denver will be played on Thu/Sat
and the 3rd and 4th round games in Anaheim will also be played on Thu/Sat. This
should allow BYU to be the #1 seed in the West assuming they win out their
remaining regular season games and the MWC tournament.
Re: "panamadesnews". Excellent observation! I understand that Doug
Gottlieb (ESPN basketball analyst) has BYU currently targeted for a #2 seed,
which is probably based exactly on the point you raised. Good catch!
I like a #2 seeding for BYU. I don't think the matchups are all that different
for #1 and #2 seeds. If they go deep into the tournament, I like BYU's chances
better as a #2 seed against a #1 seed Ohio State, Purdue, Duke, or any of the
other possible #1 seeds. I think it's possible that, with the roles reversed,
any of those teams might have a more dangerous chip-on-the-shoulder mentality if
they thought they were unfairly seeded below a perceived undeserving BYU. It's
like bulletin board motivation. Even a slight elitist, entitled mentality as
the #1 seed might give those same teams just enough overconfidence to make a
difference in favor of BYU.And maybe that's all psychobabble, and it
won't make a difference at all, but I think that maturing college athletes let
emotions influence their play enough that every little mental advantage does
make a difference.
Ahhh! Thanks Cougars1 - it appears that locations are not guaranteed any
particular seed which allows flexibility for the committee . . . I was wonderin
why they'd set it up like that.
Who wants a #1 seed? Do you really want to be expected to make it to the Final
Four? Why not go out and earn it with a #2 or #3 seed rather than dealing with
the expectations of a #1. It's rare for all four top seeds to make it to the
Don't forget folks that the 1998 Utes went into the NCAA seeding process ranked
#2 in the nation, and only came away with a #2 seed in the tournament. If the choice is between Duke and BYU, Duke will get the #1 seed just
because they are Duke, regardless of their record this year.
Up until BYU's win at SDSU, it was in the MWC's interest to see the Cougars
lose, since we are leaving the conference. Hence the terribly one-sided
officiating of the past 3 weeks. Now that the cougs have beaten their
fair-haired child twice and the Aztecs are out of the running for a #1 seed and
nearly out of the running for MWC champion, and since BYU is the darling of the
big sports channels and is being watched nationally & Jimmer has the POY as
his to lose, it is *very much* in the MWC's interest to see BYU win out. I think we will see a dramatic shift in the way the refs call the next
two home games and the MWC tournament games. If we do, you will know
definitively what a corrupt conference the MWC is. Good riddance!
Having had tournament tickets many times- those tickets always came with dates
and times stamped on them- never have I attended a game that was changed- it may
well be true that they will accomodate a change if needed but I have never seen
that published anywhere so I would love a cite from those claiming the dates
associated with brackets does not matter- people get their tickets months in
advance and make plans accordingly and now many here suggest the NCAA will
simply change those as needed up to and including the day of play- I have never
seen or heard of that and it would make for some very bad press for people that
have airline and hotel reservations made given the tickets they hold- so what is
the source of this knowledge?
I've been trying to find a reason not to write "I told you so" as part
of my comments this morning, but I can't find one. So, here it goes - "I
told you so." I predicted that BYU would win by 15 and they won by 13.Furthermore, I predicted that BYU would not need Jimmer's best game to
win. And they did not.Great guard play goes a long way in the
tourney and Emery showed us he can do it.By the way, what's up with
the refs? Jackson got creamed by Leonard, but there was no call and then
moments later Jimmer got robbed of a "and one." Those refs were
definitely trying to get the Cougs to lose. No such luck. The better team
prevailed.Now on to my prediction that BYU will make the NC
game.....Great guard play will win this tourney and the nation is about to get
eastcoastcoug: This article is posted prior to the conference tournament
because the NCAA announced that this year, the conference tournaments will have
NO CONSEQUENCE on the decision of teams and seedings (except for the tournament
1 seed is deserved if you look at the entire season of all the top 10 teams. RPI
tells alot about how many weak teams the big programs schedule. I think this BYU
team can handle the pressure of a 1 seed and have what they need to win against
anyone in the country. They have done it very well all season. If they do get a
1 seed and don't make it to the final 4 then some will think it a failure.
Whatever happens the rest of the season, it has been an incredible ride so far.
If anybody has noticed the last few weeks its almost a jinx to be ranked #1 but
it really speaks more to the parity this year. Im actually glad for BYU and
think they deserve a one seed just as much as Duke, Pitt, Kansas, etc. I also
take a little bit of pride knowing that all the teams that have been to Provo
this year(and lost, obviously) Utah State played the best game. It would be
nice to see both teams advance far enough for a rematch.
Lets not put the cart before the horse here. BYU fans tend to hype the team a
tad and get so excited that they forget there is still a lot of basketball left
to play. We still have two more regular season games, a tough MWC tournament,
and then an NCAA tournament to play in (six more games if you go all the way).
That's potentially 11 games still to go. Before we start crowning ourselves
with a Final Four, lets win the MWC and MWC tournament first.
1 seeds are Big East, Big 10 and Big 12 champions (unless there's a massive
upset in the conference tournaments) with the fourth one going to Duke or BYU.
Knowing big school bias I say Duke still has the edge at the moment. BYU
probably needs another Duke loss and to win out to get that fourth one. If BYU
loses in the conference tournament then they're a 2-3 seed depending on who they
lose to. (2 for a loss to SDSU, 3 for anyone else).
For a team that beat a highly ranked opponent on the road by double digits...
there sure is a heck of a lot of officiating complaining. I thought that was
usually reserved for you know... the team that lost looking for an excuse.
BYU will not displace the 1st place team in the Southeast region which will be
an ACC or SE Conference champion. This is the only region they can avoid sunday
play as a #1 seed. I expect them will find themselves as 2nd seen in the west
which is ideal for BYU and well deserved because they will produce better crowds
in a closer venue. This is what BYU should be hoping for and should expect. In
fact it is a better situation for the Y than 1st seed in a far away land.
eastcoastcoug "Jeff, Why this article BEFORE the MWC
tournament??"Why not?Yahoo, ESPN, Sports
Illustrated, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Daily News, CBS Sports, and
the Sporting News (just to name a few) are all projecting and/or discussing the
possibility of BYU being a #1 seed.So why shouldn't the DN and BYU
fans be discussing that possibility?If you've been watching BYU
since the Danny Ainge era, then surely you're very aware that BYU hasn't had a
player like Jimmer Fredette, since, well, Danny Ainge.The Fan House
had this to say about Jimmer:"I hope Larry Bird was watching
Saturday when Jimmer Fredette and Brigham Young carved up highly ranked San
Diego State for the second time this year. For Larry Legend, it was
a chance to relive his college days, the Jimmer doing for Brigham Young what
Bird used to do for Indiana State."The Jimmer Show is well on
its way, but there's still time to hop on the bandwagon eastcoastcoug and enjoy
the ride.No. 1 seed or not, Jimmer and the Fredettes are the biggest
story in college basketball this year!
CRBGo back and study the new pod system used by the NCAA tournament,
and then report back on why it's not only possible, but probable, that BYU could
be a #1 seed in Denver and then advance to the Anaheim Regional, both Thu-Sat
games.As long as BYU takes care of business on the court, the NCAA
Selection Committee will take care of any adjustments that need to be made to
award BYU a #1 seed.
Wow, what a great win for Jimmer and the Cougars on Saturday! We have had the
pleasue of having Noah Hartsock in our home a few times, so it was great that he
performed so well--way to go, Noah! However, it was a great team win with a lot
of credit being deserved by Charles, Jackson and others--such a great
performance in a hostile environment under tons of pressure!Lots of
nice comments here--very little bashing--thanks posters! I also think that
Coach Fisher and the Aztecs have shown a lot of class. I have great respect for
Coash Fisher, and I think he has had a very positive influence on his players in
terms of their attitude.Last but not least, kudos to Coach Rose--a
great man and a great coach. Thanks, Coach for your great leadership! Go
If you want a #1 seed for BYU, you'll need to have faith that the seeding
committee will give BYU a fair shot, and not let biases and favoritism cloud
their judgment.Oh me of little faith.
BYU is the highest rated MWC team in history. It doesn't matter if they get a #1
seed, they'll still get someones best game. New Mexico is a jinx, everytime we
beat San Diego State, we lose the next game to them. Got to finish strong.
Chris,I assure you Chris that TDS will not get any seed. Neither
will TUN. 2004 is a long time ago. That coach deserted your Utes, perhaps you
should let his legacy die. It was mockery then and it is now. Lucky for you
that the DNews does not consider it offensive. I do and in fact I believe you
do, that is why you do it.As far as your BYU comments, they always
have the same theme. BYU will lose. One of these days, you may actually be
right. With a #1 seed, which I am not sure they will get, BYU would be playing
the likes of Florida Atlantic, Vermont, Montana, etc. The 2nd round would be
against an 8 or 9 seed.Your odds are not great, but who knows, if
you keep trying ....I actually felt bad for you when you predicted
SDS by 20. You must have had a lot of pain on Sat and Sun.
Remember when you were a kid and you ended up on the bottom of a dogpile at
recess? The misery of being on the bottom. That is how Chris B feels right
now.The rest of us feel pretty great up here near the top. The BYU basketball team does not have its heads in the papers, only the fans.
The team can taste the fruits of years of hard work and we can be there to cheer
them on as they continue to win these last two regular season games at home and
on to the tourneys.It is a great day to be a Cougar.
Chris B,Nobody wins for ever. Hold on and someday the Cougs will
lose a game. You can can have your laughs and perhaps some ray of sunshine will
touch your soul.
Cougs are going to become the state's best team in history. With or without a 1
I see that no one is questioning my comments today. Last week, everyone (even
the BYU fans) were claiming that I was delusional. Now that the results are in,
there is no room for argument.Soon enough, my NC game prediction
will come true. Soon enough. By the way, just because I have high aspirations
for my team does not make me a homer or troll.