That's all well and great....but the maority of the state is watching and we
vote....Let's hope they are doing more than Kume-by-yah!Put some
teeth in this bill.....no amnesty, drivers cards, fines for hiring illegals,
e-verify, no health or welfare benefits......do it now!
A model of disgrace for the nation is more accurate. Your editorial assumes
that Utahns want a comprehensive reform bill. What we want is comprehensive
enforcement of exsisting laws. We are already doing the most for all God's
children of any nation on the earth. Hopefully, we will continue to do the
same. What we cannot do is confuse the real issues: illegal v.s. legal
immigration. One is approved by exsisting law, the other is willfull violation
of our sovernty. May the legislayure be guided in supporting the majority of
Utahns and ending the sanctuary status of the state of Utah.
Guest Workers #1 Creating a Utah Guest worker program violates federal
law. It is also NOT needed, as there is already a way for workers to come to the
U.S. legally - the EXISTING Federal Guest Worker program with categories for
different work types:- Permanent Labor Certification: A
certification issued by the Department of Labor (DOL) allows an employer to hire
a foreign worker to work permanently in the United States.- H-2A
Temporary Labor Certification (Seasonal Agricultural): Program for agricultural
employers who anticipate a shortage of domestic workers to bring nonimmigrant
foreign workers to the U.S. to perform agricultural labor or services of a
temporary or seasonal nature. - H-2B Temporary Labor Certification
(Non-agricultural): Program permits employers to hire foreign workers to come
temporarily to the U.S. and perform temporary nonagricultural services or labor
on a one-time, seasonal, peakload or intermittent basis.If those
here illegally really just wanted to work - they could have come to the U.S.
through the existing program.For those that say the process/program
is broken, an article published in the NY Times, 09 July 2010, shows otherwise.
Thank you, Deseret News, for yet another attempt at trying to wrap amnesty in a
bill that looks like enforcement. Get it straight, we want enforcement...not
amnesty. Politicians that foist any form of amnesty on the voters, will fail
and do so at the cost of their political careers. It's especially galling to
hear the writer trying to justify their opinion by linking it to the Church,
ostensibly because their argument will not go very far without the implicit
support of the Church. I, as well as most of those who seek enforcement are
people of good will. Unfortunately, some of these people of good will have been
supplanted by these "hardworking undocumented" foreigners. Most
Americans I know are hard working as well, but unable and unwilling to work for
slave wages caused by the invasion of illegals. Doing what is best for
all of God's Children would ultimately be to sustain the current law. It exists
to protect American citizens and their livelihoods against out of control
immigration. To ignore or make exceptions for certain people but not others
will ultimately lead to chaos.
Guest Workers #2 from the article:Immigration and Customs Enforcement
conducted an audit of employees at Gebbers Farms, an apple producer in Brewster,
Washington. ICE found evidence that more than 500 of its workers, mostly
immigrants from Mexico, were in the country illegally. ICE then advised Gebbers
Farms of Social Security and immigration numbers that did not check out with
federal databases. The workers were then fired.John Morton, the
head of the immigration agency, said the goal of the audits is to create "a
culture of compliance" among employers, so that verifying new hires would
be as routine as paying taxes. ICE leaves it up to employers to fire workers
whose documents cannot be validated. But an employer who fails to do so risks
prosecution. After completing a federally mandated local labor
search, Gebbers Farms applied to the federal guest worker program to import
about 1,200 legal temporary workers - most from Mexico. The guest workers, who
can stay for up to six months, also included about 300 from Jamaica. For those that say removing illegal immigrants from agriculture will cause
food prices to skyrocket - the average price of apples in the grocery store has
Becky Lockhart has been outstanding!
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;Kum bay ya, the Lord, kum bay ya;Kum
bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,O Lord, kum bay ya.C'mon TRUTH,
you do the next verse.
What is so hard about going after illegal immigrants and their employers? There
shouldn't be any driving privilege cards and no instate tuition. There should
be eVerify requirements and heavy penalties for hiring illegals. Why can't the
Legislature figure that one out? The average Utahn has.
But it would also provide a pragmatic way for hardworking but undocumented
immigrants to come out of the shadows and contribute productively without
creating a path to citizenship.If you give American Jobs away,
others will give American Jobs away. It is so much easier to manipulate the
system and tell the world no one will apply for the job, and then keep that
illegal alien in place, and the American Worker out. If the process were
handled in the Utah Human Resources, it would be better handled, but you would
still be giving American Jobs to illegal aliens. And that IS a crime.
Proud to be a Utahn - hope they can come up with something that will work - best
wishes to all who are working so hard to figure out this problem!
If those who have been hiring illegals now without using the federal guest
worker program, why would they use the state program? There have been some
glitches in the guest worker system this year, but unemployed legal immigrants
have been hired. Those businesses who hire illegals don't care about the law.
It is about money and convenience of sidestepping the law. I think it is time
to stomp on those businesses who are hiring illegals. Why promote a state
program when a federal program exists and works?
Utah is in a unique position to set the example in immigration, public education
and public health. It is unique because it is influenced by the Book of Mormon
and the Bible. Ignore those influences and Utah will have nothing better to
offer than any other state.
The guest worker provision is one of the most mean, hateful pieces of
legislation this country has seen at the state level this year. Giving jobs, to
people who broke the law coming here for jobs, is amnesty.
How does creating a second tier class of people help? Taking jobs from Americans
and giving them to citizens of other countries help? Rewarding law breakers by
giving them what they broke the law for help? Punishing those in other countries
help? How do these help all of God's children? It appears they help money
changers, and those breaking the law, that's all.
There are so many fake I.D.s out there among the illegal aliens that knowing who
they are is NOT possible. There are other, and much better ways to get people
to the harvest than to bring guest workers to the fields. One would be to use
prisoners who want to earn money, and in that case, most of the money should go
to the prisoners. And put the whole process through the Human Resources
Department.But with the fake identifications out there, you could
hire Charley Manson and his tribe and not know it until they woke you up for a
Thanks to the leg for not bowing to hatred and racism. Make no mistake--you will
make some in Utah unhappy, but you are doing the right thing and perhaps the
only enforceable thing.
Will the government let these people off for break and enter or just immigration
This make me proud to be from Utah. It shows we can be willing to look at all
sides of an issue and try to come to real solutions based on reality. I am sure
that what they come up with will not be perfect, but it will reflect the
understanding that these are real human lives we are dealing with and the
contributions that many people make to our State. It is not a simplistic problem
like some make it out to be. There is so much misinformation and emotion
floating around this issue. I hope and pray our legislature can work out a more
I grew up on a farm and we used migrant workers to harvest crops and thin sugar
beets. If anyone on here believes that white folks would do this you are
delusional. We tried and we could not find the help we needed any other way
than hiring the migrants. They worked hard, lived in shantytowns, all for
minimum wages. The anti-immigration crowd continues to ignore reality. Facts
mean nothing to them, they just attack the messenger. Everyone wants legal
immigration. Has anyone considered it is not an option for many. Mexico is in
chaos. Drug cartels, poverty, corruption, violence. When you can't feed your
family and legal immigration may mean waiting five years you do what you have to
do to survive. The anti-immigration crowd are hypocrites. I suspect many would
do the exactly what the illeglas they hate are doing if they were in the same
situation. One last thought, I am all for enforcing laws. How about starting
with traffic laws since most drivers completely ignore them.
Many of America's print media publications are now facing well deserved
financial extinction due to their penchant for bias, censorship, and promotions
of unpopular political positions, rather than reporting facts. No issue
illustrates their heavy bias more than illegal immigration.
If we have any type of Amnesty come out of this or any type of Guest Worker
program come out of this, then again the State is doing what they want and not
what the citizens want. 2012 could be a tough voting year for them. We are
watching and we are watching the way Capital Hill is voting. If they want to win
an election they better do the right thing. Utah is not Mexico. Utah is Utah and
the citizens come first.
I am LDS and Latino. Even though I had to wait for several years to get my green
card, I understand the need for yearly quotas. Otherwise, the US would be
flooded with millions of immigrants. I disagree with this editorial. Why should
the illegals receive special treatment? I think enforcement is a good thing, but
getting rid of the incentives that attract illegal aliens would be even better:
mandatory e-verify, including hefty fines for employers that hire illegals, no
provilege cards and no in-state tuition. This would be a good start, no need to
round them up and deport them. They will leave on their own.
Again the Deseret Newsletter is "Johnny one tune" -Amnesty for all.
That editorial was about as creme-puff in content as they get... (yawn).
there is only one reason we have illegal immigrants in utah..they can get jobs
here,,who has the jobs here,the members of the people that run this state,no not
gov gary herbert or steve sandstrom but the man that leads there religous
organization..the owner of elberta farms in elberta utah the deseret news ksl
radio temple square city creek center..he is the reason that our imigration laws
fail,to keep them here to work for tom
Many Utahns question the authoritarian, my-way-or-the-highway nature of the
Sandstrom Solution. All undocumented immigrants are considered uniformly guilty
of a serious crime, and all are to be purged from our country, regardless of
circumstances or consequences.While Sandstrom's stern ways may
appeal to some, we have only to look to current events in the Middle East to
recognize the ultimate tragic consequences of authoritarian rule.Let's not go down that road.
'As legislation now makes its way through the two chambers of our Legislature,
we are grateful for the strong and considerate leadership of Senate President
Michael Waddoups....' - Article You can have your opinion. It is
yours. I, personally, will not support Michael Waddoups. My
reason? *'Utahns with HIV, AIDS upset with Legislative committee's
indecision on federal grant program' - By James Thalman - Deseret News -
04/14/10'Utah Senate President Michael Waddoups, R-Taylorsville,
along with Republican members of the state Executive Appropriations Committee,
voted to approve state participation in dozens of other grants at an April 6
meeting. But they unexpectedly held up the AIDS grant application...' I believe the Ryan White Fund was accepted by Utah legislature...
8 times before this sudden stop. It was accepted later.
Thank you "legalimmigrant" for representing the hispanic people. Like
you I am hispanic and legal! Shame on the legislature - we voted for them but
now they don't represent the will of the people. Just by reading this comments,
it is evident that the majority of the people of Utah want enforcement of
existing laws and no amnesty. Also shame on the Deseret News, they just don't
get it! They used to be a conservative newsmedia, but not anymore. Wake up
before we are another California.
I hope this bill lives up to its billing. We need a reasonable solution, not
some hard-line enforcement only solution.Can we afford to spend
millions of dollars enforcing laws against hard working immigrants that with
their departure, will ultimately hurt the economy even more. Doesn't sound like
it. In fact Rep. Sandstrom even admits it.I have no problem with
immigrants, legal or otherwise, that are hard working peaceful, respectful
people coming to this country. I think they make it a better place. This
country is big enough for all such people. In fact, I am fine with amnesty for
non-criminals (obviously other than being here illegally).I'm not
sure what this bill does, but it sounds like it is a start down the right track.
As you turn your attention to education and health care would it not be better
to tax Scrooge's property rather than Bob Cratchit's food?
I agree with the D News editorial in part. Yes, the legislature did a thoughtful
and comprehensive job of immigration reform. Yes, it was statesman-like. Yes, it
will be a model for the nation, and to that extent, perhaps the nation, and more
specifically Congress will pay attention. Having said that, there is major flaw
in any state only legislation regarding immigration policy, no matter how well
it's crafted.The solution needs to be a national, not Utah only. A Utah only guest worker program will create new concerns. Will
undocumented workers from other states now flock to Utah in search of
employment? How will we reconcile the fact that Utah will approve undocumented
workers that Federal ICE agents have the authority to deport?A Utah
only enforcement program is unecessary and may not be fully coordinated with
ICE. While it is probably harmless, why not use the more effective coordinated
Federal/State/Local programs such as Secure Communities and 287(g), that provide
the training and equipment the Utah law doesn't? These programs are effective in
other local jurisdictions.Illegal immigration is a national problem,
not Utah only, as the Utah Compact makes clear.
We still need to see which, if any, bill passes. I just hope reason prevails
and that the politicians don't get intimidated by one side or the other. We
need a rational law that takes in consideration of the fact that these people
are illegal yet that we need a certain number to work at least agriculture and
to keep life affordable. We need to consider that these people are humans with
families that have a need to survive. We need to be sure we are not hurting
ourselves by trying to regulate them (ie. higher food costs, higher auto
insurance cost etc.) This whole thing is just too complex to think all will be
solved if we just throw them out.
"the strongest desire to do what is best for all of God's
children."Ummmm....I don't think that line holds true, because
there are always exceptions as far as the LDS Church is concerned. I would
personally exempt myself from being one of "God's children" of a
Church that doesn't actually support equal rights for all. The Church supports a
better deal for illegals than it does for our gay CITIZENS!
It's obvious from every one I talk to, and from the postings here, that the
majority of Utahns want the laws enforced with NO AMNESTY or guest worker
programs, or whatever PC term they're calling it these days to make it sound
more palatable to the voters. Maybe the voters need to start a petition, or
march on the capital to show them just how against amnesty we are, because
somehow the media keeps portraying the lie that people want to give illegals
amnesty in this state. The people here are AGAINST amnesty in any
form. We do NOT want the illegals in Arizona flocking here because we will give
them a guest worker program.
I agree with legalimmigrant and Hispanic in St George. Solving our
illegal alien problem is as simple as mandatory e-verify (with hefty fines for
employers that violate the law), no privilege cards and no in-state tuition. If
the illegals can't work here they will leave and take their families with them.
If they are really serious about living in the US they can come legally.If any of you readers don't like where this is heading you should call /
email your state representatives and let them know what you expect.And my message to the state represenatives is "If you don't think people
are watching how you vote, your in for a surprise".
In order to push through a worker program, congress will need to re-write and
modify Federal law. This could end up opening all of our immigration laws to
state control. It's not going to happen. It looks more like an attempt to
sidetrack enforcement, and flood the legislature with 3 worker bills. Here's
hoping our legislature can see past it, and return to the bills at hand.
Sandstroms carefully thought out bill, require e-verify, remove in state tuition
that rewards adults who stay here illegally, instead of returning home and
coming back on a student visa, remove the drivers privilege cards that give the
impression of "illegal, but we approve".
"Thoughtful? Statesmanlike? Deliberate?" I can't believe anyone at the
DN seriously can use words like these in the same sentence with the Utah
Legislature. Now I REALLY know what irony looks like.
This country needs to return to the honesty and morality of past immigration
enforcement. To the time when government protected workers jobs, to the time
police enforced all laws, to the time business and the media dealt honestly with
workers. This is not about compassion or Gods will, it's about flooding the
labor market with people here illegally or as guest workers to benefit
businesses bottom line. The gap between rich and poor in this country has
reached dangerous proportions. It needs to stop, and we need to be dealt with
fairly. Greed is destroying this country, and trying to circumvent our
governments laws will only make it worse.
My family thinned sugar beets and harvested crops in the West Jordan area. 30%
of American born farm workers are white. Americans will do the work
if paid a fair wage. My family worked alongside Navajo families that came every
year. But this is not just about agriculture, but about entry level and middle
class jobs. The nations eye may be on Utah, but not for the reason
mentioned. My out of state acquaintances see Utah as a sellout to business
interests and the leader of amnesty countrywide. We are not being viewed
favorably by America's workers and taxpayers.
The reason the immigration laws are broken is that they only allow a trickle of
legal immigration from our southern neighbor, Mexico, when we need - not a flood
- but a good solid stream.People come here - at the risk of life and
limb and/or after making outrageous payments to coyotes - simply because of the
disparity between our two economies is so extreme.The difference in
per capita income (Gross Domestic Product) between the US and Mexico is greater
than that between any two nations sharing a land border in the entire world -
with only two exceptions: North vrs South Korea and Isreal vrs the Palestinians.
People in Mexico want to come here for the same reasons our
forefathers chose to do so. They would get in line to come....if the line were
big enough to present a decent chance of success.They come here
illegally and live like fugitives instead.They are our
neighbors....from just down the Continent ...of this single promised land.Take a few minutes and read what Jesus said about neighbors.(e.g. The Good Samaritan.)Jesus was hated for what he said about
neighbors...and enemies. Are you a good neighbor?
Recent polling shows a majority of Utahns want a comprehensive approach.
Although the legislature seems to be moving in that direction, I'm not holding
my breath. I suspect that a majority of white males in Utah want an
Arizona-style immigration law.Meanwhile a larger majority of white
women, Latinos and a few white males want a fairer, balanced law providing for
work permits, pathway to citizenship and DREAM-act types of provisions.Thus we see the legislature (made up of mostly white males) quietly pushing
through provisions of an Arizona-style law, while touting how fair they are.Meanwhile the larger majority of Utahns are not represented.BTW...I prefer democracy to a Utah-style republic.
Part of my family came here legally from Mexico. Now people want us to support
American business by giving them taxpayer money for cheap labor? Is it even
legal to take money from the taxpayer and give it to people illegally in their
country? As low income workers they will never cover the social services they
receive? My family came here legally, it can be done if you are
willing to wait. Those of us that do come to be citizens, most here illegally
just want our jobs. Good neighbors follow the law, bad neighbors
make fences necessary.
I am LDS and we are also taught to obey the laws of the land. And that means
they broke the law when the came here illegally and they must face the law that
has been on the federal law for 50 years.I have no respect for people that come
here and take American jobs! I am in the construction trades and I have seen
them for the past 35 years Destroy my field of work. That is taking food out of
American citizens children's mouths and giving it in illegals. They say
Americans won't do there jobs and that is no true! We have Ranchers and Framers
and large land owners that don't want to pay min wage to a young American to
Handel there livestock or bring in there crops. They want to pay $600 a month
and give them a shack to live inn! Or pay 25 cents a bail to hall hay! It is not
about poor illegals and there kids. It's about that bottom line and those
profits. Let all get real here. You can't fool all the sheep all the time !
@Conservative, I am a white woman, and I know that you don't reward bad
behavior. It just creates more. When business has to pay guest workers a fair
wage, more people will come illegally and take their jobs for less money. It has
to be stopped. I doubt the poll, 496 people is not a fair sample
size. Compassion runs both ways, business needs to stop exploiting
illegal immigrants and hire citizens at fair wages so they can support their
family. Compassion starts by following the law, and it's a two way street. Arizona style? Arizona's laws were copied after federal law. Illegal
entry calls for fines, jail and deportation. We are already compassionate in not
enforcing the fines and jail in most cases, the result? More people re-entering.
What model? We haven't done anything yet! In fact, this editorial doesn't say
anything! The Utah Compact doesn't say anything! We, the people of Utah, are
looking for substance, not talk.
It's hard for me to think of Utah legislators as "statesmanlike", but
I guess it's all relative. Compared to the tone of some of the comments here
they certainly are.
Another veiled push for Amnesty.
I am simply disgusted with the mean spirited atitude that appears on these
comments. What disgusts me even more is that most of the mean spirited people
are fellow members of the church.
Aaaaaah yes, Sen Hatch, and Kennedy a Model for our great Nation, in the name of
Utah?. An FBI file contends that a young Edward Kennedy arranged to rent a
brothel for a night while visiting Chile in 1961, a year before he was elected
to the Senate. The previously redacted memo, dated Dec. 28, 1961, was released
by Judicial Watch, a Washington-based organization that said it obtained it
through a Freedom of Information lawsuit. According to the memo, Kennedy made
arrangements to rent the brothel "for an entire night" in Santiago
earlier in 1961. Kennedy was a 29-year-old assistant district attorney in
Boston. He was elected to the Senate in 1962 and served more than four decades
until his death in 2009. Kennedy's family remembers had no immediate reaction
to the release of the memo. Any more question's about what I think,
in my view's?.
Like it or not, the undocumented are a part of the fabric of our society, one
that we cannot just cut out without damaging all of us. Those commenters that
rail against amnesty have no solutions beyond deportation. The human cost of
such action would be much much worse than the sum of all the educational,
medical, and criminal costs they allege rise from the presence of these folks,
who are, after all, our brothers and sisters. I support the legislative efforts
to alleviate the situation in a kind and humane way.
I have no problem with having Mexican (or other) immigrants do the manual field
labor that regular Americans won't do, or work as housekeepers, etc. I am not
opposed to having immigration from Mexico or elsewhere.From my POV
(I admit to not being completely knowledgeable on this subject), the biggest
problem seems to be with NOT KNOWING who these workers are as they cross the
border, and being able to account for them once they're here working. We must
have a clear documentation process to allow these migrant workers to enter our
borders and work, but not receive tax-payer funded government subsidies and
welfare that are meant for American citizens.
Buckdazey, So you're saying that if one moves into a community,
takes a job from an American, sends the money home to another country, makes no
attempt to learn the English language and has no desire to become an American,
that they automatically become "part of the fabric of our society"? I
hate to break this to you, many of them have no interest in being a part of our
society. They simply want money. The human cost of deportation should
be born by those who broke the law coming here, not by innocent Americans. We
don't need any solutions but deportation. Illegals aliens need to stay in their
own countries or come here legally.
A nation is defined by our laws and our borders. With out them we have no
nation. Dumb Dumb in these comments said people that are against amnesty have no
solutions. If we put employers in jail for braking the law and hiring illegals
after all it is the law! They can't get jobs they deport themselves. Cut all
state or federal entitlements to illegals. If you look at the federal law that
is on the books right now. If you rent to a illegal you are aiding and abetting
a illegal alien and that is against the law! The arizona law is the federal law
adopted by the state and to be enforced by the state! Look up the bills in the
house and senate today and call them and tell them NO jobs worker bill and No
Amnesty bills. They are voting! all of us on this comment board must CALL NOW.
Tell them how we feel. WE must stop these laws for our state and our future.
Please call today !!! If you don't who will. It's time to do your part. And yes
I am LDS.
If we're relying on folks like " Curt Bramble, Luz Robles and Howard
Stephenson along with Reps. Stephen Sandstrom, Bill Wright, Chris Herrod and
Carl Wimmer" to shoulder the burden of the thinking, I'm worried.
I could not disagree with the Deseret News more. This is a most tragic outcome
for the children of Utah and for lawful citizens whose taxes will continue to be
plundered. Additionally, Utah will be in an unconstitutional
alliance with one of the most corrupt states of Mexico to bring in guest workers
so that farmers can continue to undercut the free market with slave labor and
continue to drive down the standard of living and American's decent wages. Please contact Governor Herbert Monday morning and let him know we
expect him uphold his oath of office and to VETO this bill.
I am glad "The Utah Compact" isn't mentioned in this editorial. It
doesn't fit with the group of immigration bills passed, as they reject the 1st
principle of it.The Utah Compact has been used like a sledgehammer
to bash people over the head with, and contained in it, there is no solution.
This article has a civil tone. One that has seemed to allude those
that have been trying to influence the discussion. HB 497 "Utah
Illegal Immigration Enforcement Act", has the best chance of solving the
immigration situation. More focus should be on it, rather that the others.
Illegal aliens are being portrayed simply as humble workers when, arguably, the
vast majority of them disrespect American laws, values, and sovereignty, and
undermine the integrity and strength of the country by their lack of allegiance
to the U.S. flag. The majority of them commit fraud and perjury and steal our
jobs and our children's Social Security numbers.The purveyors of The
HB116 guest worker bill -- which ultimately passed, partly as a result of the
campaign of which this editorial was a part -- claim that it is intended to deal
with illegal aliens CURRENTLY in Utah. But this is only part of the
truth. On line 778 of HB116 is a clause which essentially welcomes those who
have EVER lived or worked in Utah at any time in their lifetimes prior to May
10, 2011, to RETURN to Utah. How is THAT necessary or justified, I
ask? The answer, in my opinion, is that the true purpose of HB116
is to maintain and expand a subclass of non-citizen laborers for Utah
businessmen who do not want to pay their fellow American citizens a fair wage,
and about Utah congregations maintaining and increasing membership and donation
We should pass measures that make it less difficult and less expensive to come
here legally. It is very difficult and expensive to come here legally, too
expensive for most who want to come, creating a vicious cycle of despair for
those who try. I knew a young man who came on a special visa of some
kind. He carefully saved $1000 to pay some fee, which was promptly lost. There
was no apology or attempt to locate the money. This created serious problems for
the young man as his visa was soon to expire and he could not get the needed
$1000 in time. Those who feel strongly about immigration owe it to
themselves to investigate the red tape and expense of becoming legal, then their
suggestions of having people come here legally would be more specific and
Article of Faith 12 states: We believe in being subject to kings, presidents,
rulers, and magistrates, in cobeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.I agree with: The Churchs position is based on three basic
principles: The commandment to love thy neighbor. The
importance of keeping families intact. The federal governments
obligation to secure its borders.I also agree that our neighbor
needs to obey and sustain our laws to protect themselves, protect others, give
opportunities to those that come here legally, prevent more filling of our
prisons, schools, and hospitals (wasting our tax dollars and creating a slowing
of American growth in production); thus keeping their families intact in their
original country, and helping us try to secure our border. Deportation is not a problem with me. That will cause a vacuum of open jobs
for Americans, and hopefully a faster process for effective immigration reform.
The cost of deportation of 20 million illegals could not be more than the
billions spent on supporting illegals in all social supports they receive right
now. Utah is not California; it is easy to say let them stay when it is not
affecting you as it is us.
I live in Arizona. Over 800 miles of our land has been given over to the
illegal immigrants and the Mexican drug cartel. We are not allowed to enter
"their territory" at the peril of risking our lives. Arizona is #2 in
the world for kidnapping- right behind Mexico City which is #1. My husband and
my son have both had their identities stolen. Arizona ranks very high in
identity theft thanks to illegal immigrants. I think it is a sad
day in America when the legal citizens have to fear for their lives and the
lives of their families because illegal immigrants are given more rights then we
are. If an illegal alien goes to Mexico- they get thrown out the 1st time and
fined $10,000 for the 2nd offense. We welcome illegals with open
arms- give them free health care, free food stamps, free everything while we
can't even pay for our own health care any more. Our Constitution is already
hanging by a thread. How many liberties do we have to lose because of people
that want to give away our rights?