I'm excited for these players. Harris is a solid PG and I think we are going to
pleased with his play.Favors is a hard worker and he reminds me of
Shawn Kemp or Amare Stoudemire. I am surprised New Jersey gave up him the way
they did before the season started.Doing a Google search, Derrick
Favors has been in trade talks since September of last year (so pretty much
before his rookie season started). How would you feel. I'm not making excuses,
but I just think he has TREMENDOUS upside and with hard work and being around AJ
and Millsap, he will rock the house.The way he moves at 6 10' (same
height as Lamar Odom) 260 is amazing.
Welcome!We are glad to have Harris and Favors.We hope
you enjoy playing in Utah!
Devin already knows the Jazz offense! I think that is true, the whole world
knows the Jazz offense. It took tough guys like Karl and John to make it work
anyway. The Jazz don't have any tough guys anymore. Time for a change. I hope
coach Ty can do just that. I am very excited about the new guys. I like what the
Jazz just did as far as this trade goes. I don't think Deron was going to stay
after next year.
Welcome to the new guys. Hope you like it here. :)
A big Utah welcome to Harris and Favors. Hopefully, you guys can bring some of
the spirit and fun back to our team with your upbeat attitudes.
If Favors turns into a Stoudimire (sp) and with our draft picks we could (KOC
don't screwthis up) we could be a contenders in the west for years
The Jazz have always been great at growing new players. From John Stockton (the
15th or so pick) to Milsap (40th pick?)....even Fesenko is doing OKThey
really haven't had anybody like Favors before. Hopefully he just works hard and
@CocoNutzzI agree...we might get a shot at Harrison Barnes...with
that pick...or we could make a draft day trade...and trade Devin Harris or
Al...for another high pick...we could get Perry Jones...or a stud pg in Kemba
Walker or Kyrie Irving...im hoping Favors Turns into a better player than
amare...or Amare minus the injuries...we would have a solid core right
there...if we ever land Kemba Walker and Perry Jones/Harrison Barnes
I am excited to see what these players can bring to the table, who knows, we
might might shock the world!GO JAZZ!
I love that in this day and age of technology, the Deseret News includes
pictures of the new and old players meeting for the first time...nice!
Harris is an above average PG. He will run the team well. He is also very quick.
However, He is not a great shooter. He needs wings who can shoot. DWill used to
provide some of the shooting. Harris can't and should not try to play that role.
The Jazz are not likely to get a free agent shooter. They will just
have to try to get everyone on the same page and do the best they can the rest
of this year. Maybe Bell and Hayward can find a shooting touch. Favors is a primary reason for this trade. The Jazz wanted him badly. He may
be as good as DWill in a couple of years (different position). He should be
ready when AJ and Millsap's contracts expire. In the meantime he is a quality
back up who should improve quickly with playing time.The Jazz will
have to add shooting and may get a DWill type replacement with one of the draft
picks in the next couple of years.KOC should fix the wing problems
by the start of next season. If there is enough shooting and defense in the
wings the Jazz contend.
Bugoff: Once CJ gets his confidence back with Jerry out of Utah, CJ will start
to knock down 3's like crazy and get to the rack. Don't count CJ out. With
Dwill gone, he will get more plays ran for him.Bell needs to get his
shot back or be traded.AK's money will buy the Jazz a shooter for
next season. Until then, get used to losing...........
@CJ MilesWhy? Why after years of evidence to the contrary, do you still
continue to believe that CJ will suddenly live up to the potential we all saw in
him? The past six years tell me it's not going to happen. CJ's pretty good
when he goes to the basket. He's streaky at best from the outside.
CorbinPlease focus on the shooting efficiency of CJ, Bell and
Hayward. The rest of the season hangs on their ability to open up the inside
game for the bigs and for Harris to penetrate. CJ is shooting 41 %
2s and 33 % 3s That is down from years past. He is taking to many bad shots or
is forced to take shots since the offense has bogged down. Bell is
shooting 43% and 35%. Hornacek may be able to help him. Hayward is
shooting 45% and 37% He needs to shoot more.The Jazz are not adding
a shooter and lost DWill who was shooting 46 % and 35% while Harris shoots 43 %
and 30 %. He is not a 3 shooter and may not be that effective in pick and roll.
The Jazz live and die on offensive efficiency.The
outside shooting and the quality of the defense determine if the Jazz make the
playoffs. OKC, NO and POR all got better via the trade deadline. DEN
and MEM may have improved a little overall? Ending the Melo circus helps DEN.
Battier is not going to hurt MEM.Some small adjustments may pay big
dividends? We need shooting efficiency.
JP: In Jerry's offense, CJ was told to stand on the 3 point line and watch the
pick and roll. If the play broke down then he would get a pass late in the shot
clock and have to take a 3.Hopefully with Corbin, they will involve
him earlier in the offense and set screens for him. Get him some one-on-one
opportunities to drive to the rim.
Outside of Utah it was assumed AK would bolt to NJ at this seasons end. That
may not be true but it reduced his trade value. There were a lot of expiring
contracts available. AK's primary value is as a player who will resign for
reasonable. That is reduced if you have to out bid NJ. DWill is a
PG. He is a great one and can take over a game when it matters the most.
However, a great PF/C is harder to get/replace for most teams. DWill
can be replaced with an above average PG who can run a team well and an
efficient shooting wing. Further, DWill probably had more value to Utah with
it's complex offense than he has to most teams. NJ wants him for his star power.
CJ I hope you are right about improvement, as the season
depends on it. I used to rag on CJ but I have sense realized that
Sloan used him to shoot late in the clock and to stay back to defend the fast
break. The Wings may shoot better with offensive tweaks. Sloan under
utilized the 3. That was a major weakness.
@CJ Miles...you are still blind...have you ever watched what the
shooter must do on offense?...have you ever watched Jeff Hornacek or even Kyle
Korver...play that role?...they set screens...they rotate...they move without
the ball...if you are a good player in this league...you must move without the
ball better...to get open...CJ is lazy...i would rather get Taylor from
Sacramento rather than him...there are some players given the shot of 25
mins...can proivde scoring...tony allen can be a huge help...with just 25
mins...on both sides of the court...im just saying...CJ is and will never be an
all-star in the NBA...he could be a good role player if he wants to...but never
A thought just struck me. With Harris and Favors the Jazz are much better
prepared to play the Lakers. The last 2 years HOU showed that best
way to attack the Lakers is with a lightening fast PG going right at them.
Harris is very fast. Further, Favors can match up with Odom, Bynum,
Gasol better than Boozer who faded against the Lakers. Millsap (like Scola) went
right at them. AJ seems to do like wise. What is lacking is wings
who can shoot so Kobe can't sag back and pack the paint and gum up the offense.
When will the Jazz EVER learn? Maybe now that Corbin/KOC/Greg have
taken over? The Jazz also have to improve on D. What ever happened
to the defensive grading after every game? The Jazz played better D when there
was personal accountability. The D ratings need to be done each game and
published every week. The criteria and grade should be plainly spelled out for
each defensive ability along with an overall grade. It may tick the
players off but it would create a culture of D the is badly needed. The fans would take a lot of interest.
i've seen harris play for many years now. he is a good point guard--not a
williams great point guard--but good enough to score and run a team. if corbin
can utilize his offensive skills well i think harris would be a fine jazz point
guard. i also think the jazz have adequate inside presence, ofensively, with
millsap and jefferson. maybe favors can provide the much needed rebounding and
shot-blocking. like most of you, i think a couple of efficient outside shooting
wings would be the jazz's greatest need. if only we have that right now. a
healthy okur with his old shooting touch would be a great bonus. i wouldn't mind
if the jazz tank the rest of the season to get a high draft pick. but i think
this team has too much pride to let that happen.
The Jazz still need another long athletic defender in the rotation and another
shooter. What I do not understand is how did Portland get Gerald Wallace so
easily without giving up much like Cunningham and Joel P for him?I
feel Harris will not shoot as well but he will get teammates even more involved,
more focused on D and less turnovers. The key is Favors to this deal. This
means he needs to be developed and play quickly and not sit.
Right now..I really like the looks of these changes. And there's potential for
others, still possible to come. Time will tell...not only for what these two
can bring to the team... but also... keeping in mind, that Corbin is also new as
a head coach. Hopefully soon...we'll be able to see what he can too. A factor
in and of it's self.. just as critical. I think if the Jazz had kept Williams
he would have eventually become a distracting factor in Corbin's own
development. So let's see this team get started and pull this team together.Scoobie
I think Favors is a perfect complement to Milsap and AJ. Just about every Jazz
fan was saying in the off season that what we needed was a big athletic shot
blocking big man, well now we finally have one.If the Jazz would
have won the draft lottery I think there is a good chance they would have taken
Favors over Wall, or at least traded down to get him. I had him number 2 on my
draft board and I'm very excited he's here. As for Harris, I think
he's in a situation here where he can thrive. NJ didn't have anybody in the post
that could be relied on offensively. My only concern about him is is outside
cj just needs more minutes,thus more shots,he needs at least 40 minutes and
35/40 shots per game to get his 12.3 average
Welcome to the new players. Too bad there is stil so much schemeing done by CJ
and Bugoff. Check your calendars as the trade deadline came and went and thus
the Jazz's ability to move players.Now wait til the season ends
before you move half the team.Your insights continue to amaze me
though. You are promoting Hornacek as the saving grace of the Jazz shooting
core. When reality kicks in you will see that nobody on the team short of Deron
is a shooting threat in the league. The teams shooting coach has been Hornacek
for the past 3 years and the team has lost most of its confidence in
shooting.Nobody in the NBA feels threatend by the Jazz shooting the
ball. They now resemble Brewer when they get in the open. Since arriving at
Utah, Bell and Hayward have experienced huge shooting funks.History
has proven Hornacek can no more teach shooting than Pavorotti can teach Bugoff
to be an opera singer. Just because you can do it does not mean you can teach
it.For whatever reason, Hornacek got promoted so maybe now Utah can
hire a real shooting coach.
Question to you all: Do we get Tomic next year as well? Has anyone followed his
Doug10 is just wrong about Hornacek. He is a great shooting coach. Anyone that
can get AK47 to make any 3 pointer must be good.The comments about
needing a shooter are spot on. With the loss of DWill that will be our weakness,
and other teams will exploit it by packing everyone into the middle. That will
stop AJ and Milsap's inside game and will shut down Harris, or CJ's penetration
game. No offense will be coming out of Utah until we show we can shoot
outside.There is one more that you all are forgetting that has
potential to help us out of this problem. He is big and slow and has had a big
injury, but he could just stand on the 3 point line and hit the shot
consistently. Lets hope that Memo will come back in and hit some shots.
Patience Jazz fans please! The new players haven't even played one second yet
and here we are making comments that mean absolutely nothing. New coach, now new
players, plus some expiring contracts and a top pick, to me looks like a bright
but unfulfilled future. I am absolutely charged about the potenial. D-Will
besides being a malcontent was on his way out of town and now he's saying the
same thin in N.J., so good ridance. Welcome new men and good luck I certainly
hope everything works as well as it looks like it can!
HaveANiceday: you have short memory... AK was making more 3 pointers then any
other season before Hornacek starter training him.. granted % was not as good
but he had games with 4-5 3 pointers made so it was not so bad as you trying to
Houdini is right!If Stern would make the teams play more games (92
or 102 instead of 82), cj would get more minutes, and more shots, he has only
been in the NBA for six years. He just doesn't get enough shots. If a new
commissioner was in place I know cj would be an All-Star!I don't
think it is fair that Wes Matthews should flourish as a legit NBA player with
only 1 year in the NBA. cj is far superior to him in all areas...he just needs
The key here is that Favors is 6'10" and only 19. I believe that Corbin
can have a great deal of influence on him. He is a "puppy" with lots
of potential. Fez is another puppy. If Corbin can coach, he can develop a very
good team. It has also been stated that with the first round picks that there
are very good point guards who can also be brought in on the "ground
floor". I believe now that they can make the playoffs.
With the arrival of Favors the minimal minutes Fes received will now approach
zero. Corbin has given him less exposure than Sloan so far. And with Favors
here, Jazz may not renew his contract in the off-season, which would be too bad.
I may be blind, but I think he still has potential on both ends of the floor.
@Iowa Jazz Fan 2I think you are right. They will likely give most of
those minutes to Favors to help him develop.I also think Fes has
potential, but I tend to believe that he is just lazy. The other night Harpring
was pointing out the gaping holes in his game and if he doesn't quit being lazy,
I dont see it changing sadly. If he had the work ethic of Karl
Malone hed rock, but some players just dont have that drive, you cant really
teach that.Remember how mad Karl got about "fat butts coming to
camp" (I think he was referring to Ostertag."Like you
said, too bad.
I would gladly give up some of our overflowing potential for a little
This trade will hurt the Jazz this season and they are currently a lottery team.
However, this trade could end up like the Hershal Walker trade as well like a
caller on the radio suggested yesterday. Devin Harris is a streaky shooter but
he was a one time All Star and will be a solid starter. I worry about him being
able to hit the 3 but I like his size at 6-3, 180 and he's quick and great on
defense. Derick Favors was the best big man from last year's draft but is a
couple of years away from giving 40 minutes of production each night. He
dissapointed the Nets in the preseason so that's why they wanted to trade him so
soon. At 6-10, 250, with a 7 foot plus wing span, and leaping ability, he has a
great physical skill set but so did JaMarcus Russel. The Jazz are the perfect
team to develop him since they have had success with guys that are 6-8 and 6-9.
We were able to develop Deron into a superstar so we should be able to do the
same thing with Favors.
Thanks again to KOC and Greg Miller for pulling the trigger on the Deron
Williams trade to the Nets for Harris and Favors, including draft choices. If
they become acclimated and are comfortable being in Utah and fitting in with the
players, it will be good. My fear is the Jazz still have such players as AK who
is on his way out after this season (hopefully) who may be a negative influence
in the locker room. This is flyover country. It will be culture shock for the
new players. And right now, the Jazz are a team like the Nets, ie not a playoff
team or near future contender. Based on what the Jazz have been doing recently,
one may expect maybe 3 or 4 more wins over the course of the remaining schedule.
This is what Deron saw. The Jazz have fragile players always suffering
debilitating injuries. This trend has been devastating to winning, even against
the trailing teams in the league. This has a cumulative effect on the attitude
of all the Jazz players, as in they don't have a winning frame of mind. Favors
and Harris should both start immediately and do their thing. JAZZ!
For the life of me, I don't know why the Jazz didn't get Morrow as part of the
deal (maybe throw in Price to make the numbers work). Even us couch-sitting-
know-nothings know that the Jazz desperately need a good shooter at the 2. If
he had been part of the deal, I would feel more confident that the Jazz would
have a chance at the playoffs this year. Although I hope this trade
works out, I can't help but wonder if the Jazz could have kept DWill if they had
aggresively used AK's expiring contract now or his salary next year to nab
@LAJazzFanI'm just curious, with that cap room, who would they go
after to keep Deron here? Who did you have in mind?I mean, no way
Dwight Howard is coming here ever. Who do you think the Jazz could have brought
that would lead Deron to re-signing a contract?I really do want to
know your suggestions. Because I just don't see who they would have brought that
would keep him here.
I agree that there are a few players that would not be willing to play in Utah
as they have their choice to play anywhere (I would number them at about 10).
However, offering $15-$20M would entice a large number of others. We got Boozer
that way, didn't we? SLC might be a little backwards, but it is
beautiful and is no worse a place to relocate to and live than OKC, Detroit,
Charlotte, etc., etc. My fear is that the Jazz are on the path to
non-relevance as they just their hall of fame coach and now their last star.
Tell me a team that does well in the playoffs, or even gets to the playoffs,
without at least one star JazzRule?The emotions of Sloans departure
and the blame (perceived or real) of DWill being at fault were a little to new
and raw and seem somewhat like a knee jerk reaction. If the Jazz
become a perenial lottery team, are you going to gripe about the Jazz brass as
many others certainly will?
Welcome Derrick and Devin the new Double D offense! You look to be two quality
players joining a quality team! GO JAZZ!!!!
I am 100% with you on living in Utah. It's a great place to live. I don't know
why it gets a bad rap just because its not New York or L.A. It just
has that stupid stigma about it that its boring. It has plenty going on in Salt
Lake and good skiing, golf, and boating. I don't know what will
change the stigma, but I wish more players would give it a shot.
If Corbin is worried about Harris's shooting, then he ought to tell him how
"hard" Stockton and Malone trained to become better shooters...its not
Rocket Science. Practice, practice, practice.I wish the guys good
luck tonight. And a thought about "Williams"....I don't think that
the Jazz could have traded him to a worse team...except maybe the Cavs.
Interesting thought about where "Williams" should go.....
I was just asking if you saw some 2011 upcoming free agents that you thought
would persuade him to stay here?Anyway, it's in the past. Not our
problem anymore, we control the situation now instead of going through what