This is interesting, but blogs don't belong on the front page of the DesNews.
Put them on the editorials page, where they belong.
Vai,I watched with amazement while you played football at BYU. But
I have got to say after reading about your culture and your life experience, I
am even more proud of you the man.I hope your words find their way
to the masses. They have great worth to all peoples.
Another great article Vai. Looking forward to the next part of this subject.
As always an enjoyable read and insightful- I am sure this will engender much
discussion as well and personally better discussion than most things here which
is exactly why it belongs on the front page.
A well written, insightful article.
Vai, What a great article. It is nice to see people like you who are able to
embrace the positive things from their culture, but are able to let the things
that don't fit with their beliefs become a part of who they are. Keep up the
Great article, Vai. And, these days, we all have to pick and choose and leave
negative aspects of our various cultures behind if we want to live the Gospel.
These thoughts could easily apply to other cultures. Though traditions and
methods are slightly different, at its core we're all the same. I love reading
all your candid truthful insights.
Come on readers! Seriously? The thrid article in-a-row on Poly issues? Is such
information REALLY necessary? I've LOVED your previous blogs, with the exception
of the last two and now this one. You've lost my interest, Vai. Sorry about
that. Is it your personal mission to educate society on poly culture? I'd like
you to get back to your sports/BYU analysis without including race/culture
issues. I can't imagine I'm alone, but who knows. Perhaps I am. We'll see.
So. Cal Reader I think you are alone, anyone who didn't find Vai's article
interesting needs to find other interests besides only sports (and this coming
from a certified sports addict)
Best article you've written, Vai. Belongs on the front page. The Latu story
deserves to be trumpeted loud and long -- make a movie of it. Limhi and his wife
are extraordinary human beings and examples. (Never met the Latus, but know Keli
Lobendahn and that great guy is similar to Limhi. Hard working, salt of the
earth, great father.)Despite some protestations, life in America for
the Polynesians is pertinent and powerful stuff. Keep it coming.Anxious to read part 2.
I was very bored with this article.
Bro Sikahema - So. CalReader is having a hard time seeing the big picture. There
is much more to these articles than "Poly issues". I look forward to
anything Vai Sikahema has to write about. Even if it is controversial. Keep it
So. Cal ReaderOn the surface this blog may be an educational piece
on Polynesian culture. However, if you look beyond that you will find principles
that apply to all of us regardless of culture. As a father of three young
children I read through this and picked up several ideas that I can learn from
as I raise my kids, and I'm as white as they come - literally. (I live in
Seattle where the sun doesn't shine).I grew up in Provo. I had a
young men's leader from Tonga who was and still is a great example to me. I had
friends in the ward from Samoa. The culture doesn't matter. It's the principles
and what we can learn from them that do matter.
Wonderful article from a talented guy. The Polynesian saints are a gift to us
all and their faith is astounding. Thank you for the insights. Some of you
readers are completely oblivious to the message Vai is sending here. The
message is...wait for it...THERE IS MORE TO LIFE THAN SPORTS! I played college
football (was a freshman QB when Vai was a senior at BYU), am a high school
coach and love sports beyond reason. But I have learned that sports are
pointless unless put into the right context. Vai is attempting to do that for
you here, with varying degrees of success, apparently.
Thanks for the insights. I have two adopted Samoan children, and continue to be
amazed how much of the Polynesian culture comes through them, even though they
both left Samoa as toddlers. Your lessons apply to anyone, in considering what
parts of our culture need to be adjusted to live a successful life. Thanks!
this is much better than Vai's last two articles (which were long, drawn out,
and really had no point). Thanks Vai!
I personally know a few of the Latus, and they live up to everything Vai wrote
about them. If only more families like them could be found. They are all very
talented, musically, academically and socially. It's hard to see minority youth
from many different cultures grow up believing there's nothing for them beyond
highschool. We need to turn their attention to people like Vai and others who
have chosen to step beyond the stereotypes.
Vai,let me add my voice to the vast majority who appreciate your candid and
insightful articles. I once heard that the definition of a great leader is one
who can be perfectly honest and perfectly kind at the same time. I feel you
achieve this in today's blog. Well done and thank you.
I'd much rather hear Vai's analysis on the culture than his analysis on sports.
Sports analysts are a dime a dozen and they all say the same meaningless
things...like most sports intereviews..."I think if we play good defense
and score more points than them we'll win the game." Really?! Ya
think?!All too often people (particularly racial minorities) cling to
their culture so much that it becomes detrimental. Vai is exactly right in
picking and choosing the cultural traditions that fit within the gospel and
eschewing those that do not.
I would offer a slight disagreement on kava.Anything used in excess
is bad. If you brushed your teeth 50 times a day it wouldn't be good for your
gums, or teeth. But many things used in moderation can be beneficial. Kava
certainly falls into that category, in my opinion.There's a
Polynesian saying that rings true, in my experience: "A man who drinks kava
is still a man... a man who drinks alcohol becomes a beast".Kava has been used traditionally as an instrument for conflict resolution. A
tribal elder will get two people who are having a conflict together and say
"let's drink some kava and talk about it." Modern
scientists have discovered the active ingredient in kava and found it to be
therapeutic, a natural sedative that (in moderate amounts) does not make you
drowsy. It facilitates positive social interactions and provides a (very mild)
sense of well being. There's a reason many white people use it, for anxiety
& stress relief.But drinking it all night, every night is a
problem, without a doubt.Te u inu kava, si'i si'i pe, mohe, misi o
Thank you Vai. This article was very well written and shines a light on how the
Tongan culture runs. To all the comments saying that this was boring
and not insightful...."tuku ho'o fie poto"
Good stuff - ignore the haters.
Vai, I really appreciate your comments.Growing up in a
polynesian world (Hawaiian and Haole) I learned to appreciate that I has the
blood of Israel in me. Taking time to study and live the culture, I learn that
our culture lost the gospel and is being restored again.I grew up in the
old school, where education and being taught through love were not prevalent.
My haole side was a little better. Through your cousin, who I consider my older
brother, we always say to each other that we need to "break the cycle
now" and "It stops with me."Unfortunately it isn't an
on/off switch. However as I watch over the past several years- I think many as
catching that vision and the cycle is changing. Unfortunately, there are others
who are going the other direction and are becoming a degenerate contribution to
society- even in relief society.I am optimistic with my children. I
married a haole girl who's family is strong in the gospel for the most part.
Slowly I've been able to break this cycle. I now look forward to my children as
my oldest now just got married. I hope.
Very inspiring. You're really a terrific writer. Is there anything Vai can't
Please...Vai's blogs are on a downhill slide.As a social
science major, this article means nothing.If Vai continues to blog,
how about.... "Something New"???Talk about football, BYU,
Utah, or the meaning of the roasted pig?Come on, brah... what was
this even about?Looking forward to part two....
RE: Johnny Triumph | 12:18 p.m. Feb. 18, 2011 American Fork, UT "This is interesting, but blogs don't belong on the front page of the
DesNews. Put them on the editorials page, where they belong."Blogs posts are perfectly appropriate on the front page, especially when they
are filled with better information than the rest of the "articles" up
there.Thank you Vai.
Thank you for leaving the subject matter of your two prior posts. You have
shown that you are an exceptional writer when treating gospel oriented subjects.
That does not surprise me, since you have an abundance of experience
and good judgement in that arena. Uplifting - yes! Critical of your alma mater
in a very public and questionable way - NO!
Fantastic article, Vai. I know you must take frequent heat for your willingness
to write on tender subjects, but your perspective is timely and worthwhile, and
your blog is one of my 'must-reads'
RE so "what" calInteresting that your negative comments
about Vai's article developed into a paragraph. You do not need to
read Vai's blog, no one is forcing you to read it. It is very odd how a person
will read about a topic they loathe and then act surprised that they do not like
the content. Vai will keep writing as long as the D news prints his
blogs. Sorry so what cal.Poly Cougar Nation
As a person of Hawaiian decent I find this article extremely helpful in
explaining in a candid format the nuances of the Polynesian cultures and it's
relationship with the LDS spiritual culture. Thank you Vai, you have
outlined the Hands On Discipline mores perfectly and I for one can see how the
physical upbringing I had definitely exposed my weakness as a young father.
I look forward to your next article.A Hui Ho !!
Vai, I read this aloud to Alvin in the waiting room of the place where we were
getting the oil changed in our car. I didn't read loudly, and it took me a
minute to realize all conversation had stopped and everyone was listening
intently. As I continued to read my eyes welled up and I became choked up as
they sweet and precious truth were unveiled. Thank you so much for sharing your
thoughts on this, they are spot on in so many ways and on so many levels. God
bless you, my friend.
Vai...Your blog was so timely. I'm a stake president in Sacramento and
have been struggling as a Palongi leader to help teach my Tongan ward the
principles you discuss. Too many filter the gospel through a culture filter,
rather than the other way around. I will share your thoughts with the ward
leaders and would love to find a way to speak with you more. Your insight is
much appreciated.G. Treadway
i can see why the haole's aren't so interested in this article. however as a cafeteria polynesian myself, this is very insightful. thankfully
as a member of the church i am able to recognize and pick the cultural
attributes that are in keeping with the gospel. i totally agree
with vai, as polynesians we place way too much emphasis on sports, football in
particular. academics/college takes a back seat. but the next generation is
starting to make a difference. hopefully some day more polynesians will follow
the example of brother sikahema and find avenues of success away from the
gridiron.finally, on a football note. we need to keep the polynesian
pipeline coming. it is concerning to me that the U recently hired norm chow, a
huge polynesian influence. then we passed by mark atuaia as vai alluded to
earlier. if we plan on being competitive we have to keep the polys coming. we
have already missed some huge recruits in the past: haloti ngata, manti teo, and
more recently harvey langi.
This is an interesting and well written blog on the inter-relationship between
ethnicity, culture and religion. One thing I have often wondered is why we do
not see more individuals like Limhi Latu as general authorities or in highly
placed leadership positions within the LDS church organization? It seems like so
many of them have a similar profile==professionals and businessmen who have been
very successful financially. Not to say that they haven't been equally
successful in their family and religious lives. But where are the Limhi Latu's,
the construction workers, custodians, school teachers, etc. who live their faith
and raise their children so successfully? I don't often see them progress beyond
local church leadership positions. Which kind of bothers me, because it seems
like the criteria for placement in those positions would be as much or more so
based in spiritual living as it is in the ability to successfully manage and run
Via,Very informative and educational. I appreciate the insight and
have an added appreciation for the Polynesian (Tongan) culture.
Great article Vai. I am not always a fan of your articles because sometimes you
focus too much on the "warrior" aspect of the Poly culture. But this
one hits the essentials and points out that there is no reason Polys should not
be in science, medicine, finance, church leadership, etc at the same rate as
every other race. In fact there are many who are but just aren't recognized like
the others in sports, and that's something that needs to change.
Whenever I read comments about Vai being a great man - and he is - I think of
the saying, "Behind every great man is a great woman." I'm a haole who grew up with lots of Polys in Laie. I also spent time as a
kid in both Samoa and Tonga. In my view, there were differences between the
Poly youth in their homelands and those who were Laie transplants. The youth in
their native countries seemed more discipled and respectful of others.
Unfortunately, some of the young Polys in Laie struggled to adapt to the more
permissive American way of life, at least that was how I read it. For example, I
got along well with the youth in Samoa and Tonga, but received regular and often
severe beatings and harassment from several of the Poly kids in Laie. So, I
agree with Vai's assessment of some of the challenges faced by many Poly
immigrants. I will also say that I keep in contact with many of my Poly
schoolmates and they have ALL become wonderful adults who I am proud to call my
friends and my examples. I love the Poly people!
I too am white as can be and I found this article to be very uplifting and
interesting. In part because two of my favorite people on the planet are a
Tongan couple in my ward. Their humility, integrity and kindness are exemplary.
I absolutely love it when he gets up to bear his testimony, for it is truly a
testimony, and a very powerful one at that. They are very honorable people,
working hard to provide for their children and to teach them correct principles.
He has told me about some "incorrect traditions of their fathers"
dealing with violence that he is working hard at to see his children recognize
the correct way to behave, according to Gospel principles. I tell others that I
wouldn't be surprised if he is a General Authority someday. He is of that
Wine is good for the heart, too. That doesn't give a green light.
if you have any type of culture you would know what bro vai is talking about, if
you don't you have no clue. you can always start with some yogurt, yo.
I'm VERY interested that these posts seem overwhelmingly in favor of/sportive
of/grateful for people of Polynesian birth who have come to live in American.And that in comments on DesNews articles concerning people from
Spanish-speaking countries, it is about the exact opposite.Why is
that???The 3 Polynesians in my lds ward were not political refugees,
or economic refugees etc.When asked how they came to live in U.S.
they said they just wanted to, and so they came --and no one gave them a hard
time. Neither of the two I have asked know anything about needing any visas,
permits, permission etc. They just packed their bags, got on a plane, landed in
LA as tourists, decided to stay, and have been here ever since.Yet
it isn't like they are completely assimilated, homogeneous Americans. They have
their own culture-unique things (just like the Spanish-speaking) ie: expecting
congregation to replay to their saying "Talofa" at beginning of
testimonies etc.Why are there so many of them, and no one squawks at
all, yet people who came for far more desperate reasons from Spanish-speaking
countries are so vilified???Just wondering.
I am VERY interested to see part 2. Part 1 was a very good start towards some
more understanding.I am most interested to see if Vai comments on
the HUGE Tongan gang proplem that is so common within the Tongan speaking wards.
In a society where your useage of the English language impacts
everything from school, to social, to work opportunities, I fail to see the
benefit of having services "in your original language". What better
inducement to embrace the English language, where you live NOW, then hearing and
understanding the gospel in it. And what better way of showing all
the youth that it is not an 'us versus them' world. To totally integrate into
the existing wards, so you see all colors as your friends, and eliminate ALL
non-English speaking wards.
Yorkshire, Illegal immigration is an issue affecting all ethnicities. In
America hispanics are singled out and unfairly targeted more so than others for
deportation. One of the reasons is that they make up for such a huge percentage
of illegal immigration in this country. Compare that with a country like New
Zealand where Tongans, Samoans and Fijians are targeted for suspicions of
illegal immigration. Just ask any Tongan there what a "dawn raid" was
and you get the picture.SLGuy, would you be in favor of eliminating
all English speaking wards in foreign countries too? I'm sorry but I find it a
ridiculous notion that these Polynesians are in danger of not learning English
because their Sunday services are in other language. Should we do away with all
those translators at General Conference now?
Hello Vai,I had the good fortune to live in Tonga as a Peace Corps
Volunteer. I actually met you at the computer lab of the Vava'u Youth Congress
during your trip to Vava'u in '06 or '07 (can't quite recall).This
was an insightful article. I would only add some color to the section on kava
Tonga. While, like anything, it can be damaging in excess, it has also evolved
into an innovative form of philanthropy and community-building. Rather than
relying on aid or outside support, men in each village organize and fund
important education, health and other community development through kava
fundraisers. Fitting for your comment on "cafeteria
Tongans," Kava Philanthropy has become an intersection of tradition and
modern development. Not that I disagree fully with what you wrote; I
just feel that it's more nuanced than that in reality.Thanks for
your interesting reports and viewpoints on Tonga and Polynesia, Vai.Faka'apa'apa'atu,Joey 'Afitu ManfredoPeace Corps Tonga,
Vai: Mahalo nui! Don't ever stop writing.
ReubenClergy and leadership in the LDS faith does not have a color
or culture it has spiritual bravery and truth as its anthem. Would a Polynesian
general authority cause spiritual truth to some how be more then it's sum ? I
believe not, the content of ones heart is how God decides who will serve.Aloha Pumehana
Vai, please don't stop blogging any time soon. I have not read such meaningful
and carefully thought-out introspection in a long time, and in a newspaper,
perhaps never.For example: A couple weeks ago, I read a local
Seattle Times columnist talking about how she gave up booze for the month of
January. Don't really like the columnist, but I thought the particular column
was interesting and a worthwhile insight into someone else's life, perspective,
values, and the effects of their choices on their own personal journey.By comparison, your columns offer such perspective almost every time. You know
yourself better than other columnists, and as a result, you reach the core of
issues much faster than most. And the fact that you're approaching these issues
from an LDS perspective greatly enhances the appeal of your writing (to me, at
least).So that's the long way of trying to explain what I started
out saying: Please don't stop blogging any time soon.
Big Hapa:My point exactly. Spiritual bravery and truth are not
centered in any race, ethnicity, OR SOCIOECONOMIC CLASS or CAREER CHOICE. That's
why I was openly wondering why GA appointments are overwhelmingly made up of men
who have experienced a high degree of professional, organizational and financial
success. I don't see many construction workers, custodians or even teachers. I
have met many men like Limhi Latu in my life, and think they are very qualified
to be a GA. But that's just me, who am I to judge.
Really insightful article. Great observations.
I don't know what a newspaper is supposed to do other than shine the light in
places people can't see. I know I learned some things I didn't know before from
this article. I'd rather read this kind of story than the latest police scanner
bulletin from West Valley. Keep it up, Vai! You are a big asset to this
Very well thought-out comments, Vai. It's clear you love the Polynesian people
and want to see them overcome their challenges.I had the privilege
of serving my mission in San Jose, CA and associating with many Polynesian
missionaries and members. I've never met a more loving, generous, faithful
people in my life.So I have to confess, I winced a little when I
read your article. Not that I disagree with your comments; I don't have a lot
of experience to say they're right or wrong but they do line up with stories my
friends told me. But, I hope you'll write an article about how Polynesians can
use their strengths (again, love, generosity, faith) to overcome the challenges
you see and become an even greater people.Just listing the bad parts
of the culture feels a little like the parents you mention: abusive and