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  • In My Humble Opinion South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:05 a.m.

    yumpin' yimminie, how much fun is Jimmerie!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:28 a.m.

    If you are reading this Hartsock - get out of this and get back in the gym and practice your shooting. You are in a slump and same with Kyle. Practice and stay away from all those crazy medias/fans. And, your guys need you in the paint and defend hard. You saw Emery working hard and be like him.

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:57 a.m.

    Great article. I would love to hear more the thoughts of Jimmer regarding his perception of this circus around him.

    By the way ... I was at the New Mexico game. The game DID sell out. There were signs all over the ticket windows stating that the game was 'sold out.'

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:58 a.m.

    People snickered up their sleeves when Emery was quoted as saying, "We could go undefeated. We think we can win every game."

    The Cougars haven't won every game, but they are on their way to what will probably be the most victories ever achieved by a Cougar hoops team in the university's long and often successful history.

    This process has been a hoot for the fans, as well as the team. These young men are good people. They certainly represent themselves, their families, and the university well.

    Thanks to the team for a memorable season! Good luck in the remaining ten games (or so)!

  • Chris_B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:29 a.m.

    It's a magical season for a great bunch of guys who represent the school, the state, and the church very well. I hope they win the MWC and make it to the Final Four. The nation could use a Cinderella story of nice guys finishing well. Go, Cougars!!!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    Things are usually much more fun for the Cougars until tournament time comes around.

    Enjoy it while you can Cougars.

    It won't last long.

    And then comes the WCC... not really much to look forward to.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:29 a.m.

    We fans are soaking up the fun as well...this is the "Golden Age" of BYU basketball!

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    Ditto on the @DEWCougars comment. You players have got to keep your heads and work much harder. There is no time now for coasting or resting on your laurels. The competition is going to get stronger, the defense from other teams more stout, and if you are not progressing in your game, in your shot selection, in your own defense, in your effort, and in your attack instinct, you can so easily be swept away into oblivion and insignificance. It is the finish, not the start, that determines greatness. Keep after it. Keep improving. Keep pushing. Never let your foot off the gas until April 5 in Houston.

  • Concilio Alpine, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:12 a.m.

    Hey, it's been great! But back to some basics:

    You "bigs" (tho' you aren't really as big or strong or as athletic as other teams' big guys) - Collinsworth, Hartsock, Abouo, Davies, Anderson, etc. - CRASH THE OFFENSIVE GLASS EVERYTIME; don't take any shot (or anyone's - including Jimmer's - shooting) for granted! Other teams are slowing down their pace, so you don't have to hang back to guard against fast breaks. Follow your shot, get your own rebound; half (or more) of our shots are missing the target.

    And box out, box out, box out! I recognize it's harder when you're playing zone, but put your body on someone - anyone - every time!

    You're the greatest group I've seen since the early '60s, but "back to basics" still matters as much as X's and O's.

  • elvisroidutexas Fort Worth, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    The game this week at TCU will basically be a home game for the Cougs, as it has been in years past.

  • Concilio Alpine, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    Hey, it's been great! But back to some basics:

    You "bigs" (tho' you aren't really as big or strong or as athletic as other teams' big guys) - Collinsworth, Hartsock, Abouo, Davies, Anderson, etc. - CRASH THE OFFENSIVE GLASS EVERYTIME; don't take any shot (or anyone's - including Jimmer's - shooting) for granted! Other teams are slowing down their pace, so you don't have to hang back to guard against fast breaks. Follow your shot, get your own rebound; half (or more) of our shots are missing the target.

    And box out, box out, box out! I recognize it's harder when you're playing zone, but put your body on someone - anyone - every time!

    You're the greatest group I've seen since the early '60s, but "back to basics" still matters as much as X's and O's.

  • Girlse State Midvale, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:24 a.m.

    Howie,

    Don't forget that we're also enjoying a pathetic yewt basketball team, complete with 9 out of 10 losses to BYU, Division II colleges, WCC colleges, and I heard even the Provo 138th ward in a scrimmage.

  • Golfhack20 West Jordan, Ut
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    I think BYU needs to jump out to a huge lead and then they need to rest Jimmer a little bit. Teams are really trying to beat him up a little bit. I know he is in the running for the College Player of the Year award but BYU needs to protect him. If he goes down say good bye to a good seed in the Tourney!!!

  • Anne26 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:18 a.m.

    @Girlse State- I'll try using a typical BYU retort here:

    "Until [BYU's basketball] team has a national championship trophy, the [U] will always be the superior program."

    Obviously, that argument is greatly flawed. Please remember it come football season.

  • CG Orem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    Howard S.

    While Coach Rose continues to build a program that is gaining more and more national prominence every year, the coaches on the hill continue to watch the floundering Utes sink even further into the abyss.

    BYU will help raise the stature of the WCC, which will simply raise the national prominence of the Cougars, while the PAC 12 won't do anything to help save the Utes.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:39 a.m.

    Howard S. | 7:29 a.m. Feb. 17, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT

    Enjoy it while you can Cougars.

    It won't last long.

    And then comes the WCC... not really much to look forward to.
    ===

    I have always wondered if there were really people like Eeyore from the Winnie-the-Pooh books by A.A. Milne.

    Thanks for the positive spin...

    (How's Taylorsville working out for you? Maybe a change of scenery?)

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    "BYU will help raise the stature of the WCC"

    CG,

    Things will never change for tds. Always put in a position of having to validate thier credentials.

    Bouncing around in the Non AQ's and mid major ranks seems like a losers game. But the tds wear it well.
    Good luck with your perpetual stuggle.

    As for Utah...well they don't call it the "Conference of Champions" for nothing.

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:55 a.m.

    Sheesh guys, I don't see any players resting - they work their tails off every day. They know things will only get harder. No need to call players out, they know what is at stake.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    If you are truly a top 8 team then can't be a Cinderella team.

    A second seed team should be a no brainer pick through the first three games in the tournament. Looking forward to seeing just how far the cougs can go.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    It's always an additional cool thing when a really talented team is made up of really good guys. Throw in a really cool Head Coach and you have even an easier time cheering for this years BYU Mens Basketball team.

    I've got MWC TOURNEY tickets and will be first in line for NCAA 1st round tickets. GO COUGARS!

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    I'm having a great time watching (and listening) to them this season as well. As always, I am continually impressed by their humility and team spirit. They continue to set a great example to those following in their footsteps.

    Go cougars!

  • Girlse State Midvale, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Hey Waaaane,

    Will do. And for the typical yewtie retort:

    Please don't live in history. Or at least if you do, try to keep it in your lifetime.

    Or were you alive for that magical 1944 yewt basketball run?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    Re: Veritas Arquitas

    Positive spin you say?

    There is enough positive spin coming out of Cougar Town to make Baghdad Bob blush.

    Just wait till the reality of independence sets in with 1-3 starts followed by the excitement of the dregs of the WAC and MWC. Follow that up with the WCC and even the mighty BYU spin machine will struggle to keep it positive.

    Oh, and T'ville (that's what the locals call) couldn't be better if it were painted Cougar blue.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Anne26

    Actually, BYU has as many national championship trophies in basketball as Utah:

    Utah
    1944 NCAA
    1947 NIT

    BYU
    1951 NIT
    1966 NIT

    btw, in 1944, the NCAA was the new kid on the block; the NIT was much more prestigious, which is why the Utes turned down their invitation to the NCAA to play in the NIT.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    @hedgehog,

    The WCC will be a short stint for the Cougars. And even if it isn't, we would all take a WCC Championship over 12th place in the Pac 12.

    You're Utes are really racking up a lot of "moral" victories.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    hedgehog

    As far as the Utes are concerned, it might as well be called the "conference of chumps".

    The biggest difference between BYU and Utah is BYU doesn't need a particular conference to validate their credentials, while Utah thinks that their credentials will be validated simply by association.

    Just remember, every major conference needs its bottom dweller to pad the records of the elite teams in the conference. The Utes will be great padding.

  • Arynen Midvale, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:49 a.m.

    hedgehog,

    "As for Utah...well they don't call it the 'Conference of Champions' for nothing."

    I could be wrong on my facts here, but I don't think they nicknamed the PAC the Conference of Champions because of anything the Utes contributed or because they are joining the conference... Just sayin'

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:50 a.m.

    @Howard S.:

    Re: "not much to look forward to in the WCC":

    This is what the Cougars are looking forward to:

    Pounding U (in the so called conference of champions)into oblivion - and have you noticed the dominance the past few years, already.

    It must be humiliating to get pounded by both the WCC and the WAC (Aggies) when you are in the "elite" BCS. Oh, wait, BYU isn't even in the WCC yet. Oh, that's right, you managed to chalk up a LOSS to San Diego. Ouch.

    See you in September.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:52 a.m.

    @ Hedgehog,

    Counting "moral" victories, your Utes are 26-1. Of course, the one loss was the humiliating accident that occurred in the Huntsman Center when y'all got Jimmered...right between the eyes.

    Enjoy 12th place in the Pac 12 next year.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Re: USAlover

    WCC will be short stint for the Cougars?

    Where ya goin' ... Back to the WAC along with football?

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:31 a.m.

    They are all such humble boys. If the refs stop cheating them, they will win it all.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    "The WCC will be a short stint for the Cougars"

    Usalover,

    Oh really? What other "secret meetings" do you got going LOL! We all know how those "secret PAC 10 meetings" went.

    Maybe Holmoe should double check and make sure the Big 12 has thier correct phone number.

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:39 a.m.

    @Howard S.

    Its pretty sad when your bashes on BYU is their affiliation with the conference... not an expert but I still would take Saint Mary's over Arizona State, and I am pretty sure most of the country would too. Hate to break it to you yewtsies, but unless your in the Big East, ACC or Big 10, no one gives a hoot what conference your in. The Pac-10 credentials have been falling and you guys are just going to add to the problem.

    BYU is making the WCC better, Utah making the Pac-10 worse.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Howard S. | 10:33 a.m. Feb. 17, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    Re: Veritas Arquitas

    ===

    Whatever get's you through the night. (Bagdad Bob blush??? Serious? -- Not a tad dramatic there?)

    What the U fans are learning is losing is a funny thing. You're not losing, until you are, and then you can figure a way to win, or you feel the need to spread the misery.

    Predicting the future perceived misery of others does not help your winning percentage.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    Re: Mildred in Fillmore

    There is no need for the refs to call fouls on our humble boys anyway. If they ever committed a foul they would call it on themselves.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Re: Veritas Aequitas

    I will gladly take a PAC 12 invite and Utah's BB record over a WCC invite and BYU's record.

    And so would you.

    Losing seasons turn around. Remember 1-25?

    But, the WCC is going to last a looong time.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:26 p.m.

    When you are king of the mountain everyone takes a shot at you. It goes with the territory. Upsetting the Cougars is a big event. No one brags about beating the utes.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    @ Howard S. Great point! LOL.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    Just so everyone know. In the Last 30 years - the PAC 10 has won 1 National Championship in Football. The same amount as BYU.

    Utah may be going to the Conference of Champions? But Utah sports teams are not champions.

    Since 2000

    BYU has 2 National Championship in Volleyball
    2 Lecross National Championships
    1 Rugby National Championships
    1 Indivisual Track and Field National Championship

    Utah has ZERO National championship in any sport.

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    @ Howard S.

    You taking your record right now and where the Utes are at and going over BYU is something to just make you feel better at night, but I doubt most of the nation would agree with you. Maybe if you take off your red goggles and see the whole picture, it make come clear.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:50 p.m.

    Re: blauch

    And yet with all that Cougar glory not one major conference would invite BYU.

  • stokethefire The Planet, Earth
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    Howard S. You seem to know so much about the future, do you have some investment advise for us?

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    @mussingaround
    so you mean just about every other team in the country needs a conference to feel validated, including duke and north carolina. Kansas amongst a few others to name that have won multiple championships but they must be bad because they are in a conference and byu is not so oh well...

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    @howard

    I love how your identity, and the identity of the utes, is all dependent on your association with schools better than yourselves. You have nothing of your own to stand on and you have a program in delcine in practically every sport but because you are going to gravy train some programs far superior to your pathetic program is gives you a sense of validation. LOL

    That is pathetic. But funny. LOL

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:21 p.m.

    howie and hedge;
    Jealous and insecure much? Obsessed for sure! Hateful always. At least your consistent. Enjoy the rest of the BYU games. I will look forward to your posts after they are in the sweet 16. Also; really looking forward to September football. You're insecurity will be even more obvious after BYU beats the TUN.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:24 p.m.

    Howard S.

    And sometimes decades of dominance can turn into decades of being dominated.

    See BYU/Utah football pre- and post-1964.

    It could be decades before Utah returns to the level they were in the late 1990's.

    And the Rose era for BYU basketball could rival the Edwards era of BYU football.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:25 p.m.

    Re: stokethefire

    Even for my Cougar friends I always advise buy low, sell high.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:33 p.m.

    Howard S

    There is a reason the PAC10 did not invite BYU. And it has nothing to do with sports.

    In the Mountain West Conference Championships
    BYU - 96
    Utah - 16
    That is not including - Rugby, Lacrosse, Men's Volleyball or Gymnastics since they play in different leagues.

    Clearly if the PAC10 wanted the best Athletic Department - they would have selected BYU.

    Utah is an average Athletic Department. Utah was so bad in Track and Field they gave up that sport in 2005, Your Swimming and Diving teams are bad in the MWC. You are average MWC teams in Tennis, Volleyball, Softball and Baseball.

    Comparing Utah and BYU athletic departments is like comparing a New York Steak and Spam.

    BYU would struggle in the Olympic sports in the PAC10 and BYU has dominated the MWC. In Track, Cross Country, Swimming and Diving BYU has won 80% of all championships in the MWC.

    The only positive in this year Basketball team is that it has prepared Utah Fans to know how to Lose. Because they are going to do a lot of it.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    @howard and wedgie

    So here is a very telling quote from an article analyzing the pac10's current attempt to negotiate a tv deal. Of course the addition of the powerhouse utah and colorado basketball programs only makes the pac10 all the more attractive a commodity. I am sure the networks are just fighting over who gets them.

    "1. ESPN doesnt view Pac-12 basketball as a valuable entity Im not sure if anyone does, frankly"

    -John Wilner San Jose Mercury News

    Yep it looks to be all coming together. LOL

    Oh and just a little more info from the same article, the 2 mil utah fans think they are getting for the pac10 championship game is really only going to be maybe 1/2 to 3/4 of that amount once fees and such are deducted. You can read that in the same article. It is going to be tough to run your top flight LOL athletic program on that measly income for the next few years. Of course I'm sure your counting on a bunch of income from all those sellouts at the huntsman center.

  • truebluecougar Orem, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:41 p.m.

    Re: Howard S

    Most major conferences will not honor the BYU code of not playing sporting events on Sunday. I feel sorry for the Ute athletes who will now be required to play on selected Sundays. Sad for those athletes who wish to honor the sabbath day. Will ultimately direct many excellent LDS athletes to BYU.

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:53 p.m.

    Some more fun from that same article analyzing the pac10's desperate search for exposure.

    "According to my sources, there is no indication that ESPN will be willing to pay what the Pac-12 wants or provide the exposure opportunities the Pac-12 is seeking. ESPN has no place to put them, one analyst said."

    ESPN has "no place to put them"? This is the pac10 we are talking about! You know the conference of champions! But ESPN has no place for them and isn't willing to pay to put them on anyway. Boy things are sure looking up aren't they?

    I understand it though. It would be hard to find a place to televise pac10 games when they have a ratings powerhouse like BYU in the fold that they are going to telecast weekly. If they do wind up charitably taking on any pac10 sports they can put them on after BYU telecasts and hope for some hang over viewers.

  • BillM75 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    I'm a U fan, but I hope the Y makes a big run in the tourney. What, I'm going to root for Duke?

    Jimmer's season is proof of why 99.999% of guys should stay in school. Larry Bird says he'd give 2 of his 3 NBA titles to have one NCAA title.

    Even Kobe & leBron have regrets about skipping college, which is why they loved the Olympic experience with Coach K.

  • cougar76 Provo, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    Howie, I think it is yewt basketball that doesn't have anything to look forward to. If you think it is bad now, wait until next year when the PAC-10 start pounding on the other two.
    As for hedgehog, they don't call the the conference of champions because of anything the yewts have done. Wait until you are really part of the conference and finish somewhere other than the second division before you start talking like you've been there all along. Aren't you the team that doesn't even get paid the first year? Sounds like they don't really appreciate all of the prestige you bring with you.

  • cougar76 Provo, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:10 p.m.

    Cougars continue to have the time of their lives...and it really stinks to be a yewt.

  • cougar76 Provo, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:35 p.m.

    "The WCC will be a short stint for the Cougars"

    Okay, I vote for hedgie's response over howie...it showed more creativity. But, at the same time they both keep spouting about things they hope happen, not things that actually will. The yewts finishing in the bottom half of the CofC will happen...unless CofC is just a name, not reality. Remember, you're in that conference for padding, not prevailing.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    Re: truebluecougar

    Do you feel sorry for Cougar athletes who will trade their Sabbath day observance for the fame, money, and glory of professional sports?

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:54 p.m.

    @ How-hog,

    Except for football and gymnastics, your invitation to the Pac 12 is going to be disastrous. And if your football played like it did the last four games of last year, your football team is going to be embarrassed.

    BYU was NOT chosen to go to the PAC 12 for political reasons. IF tickets sales and better teams were the criteria, BYU was a NO BRAINER.

    You can thank Prop 8 and general hatred for religion, as the only reasons why Utah was chosen over BYU. Come to think of it, the PAC 12 should be admired for choosing ideology over money and success.

  • lasermann Orem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:59 p.m.

    Cougars: 24-2
    Utes: 11-15

    Cougars: Jimmer, solid supporting cast
    Utes: (-5 players and counting)

    Cougars: Coach Phi Slamma Jamma
    Utes: Will soon be paying TWO ex-coach salaries

    It is indeed a great time to be a BYU fan!

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:04 p.m.

    Independence is the way to go and BYU is the best athletic program in the country. Every conference wanted us but we decided to let ESPN pay us $ 30M -$ 50M per year.

  • TMung99 Bluffdale, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Now your getting desperate bud...

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    But howard how could that possibly be when you have told us over and over again that BYU athletes don't ever make it to the professional level? How can you play on Sunday's if you aren't even in the league?

  • Tommy2Shoes Lehi, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 5:32 p.m.

    Most comments are off point and repeated in almost any article related to BYU. Sorry to see this kind of drivel.

    Cougars are having a great basketball season as are the Aggies. Sorry Utes you are not as good as some prior years. Our futures are yet to be written but both schools have brighter futures. PAC12 will be exciting for the Utes. Indy will be exciting for Cougs. WCC will provide great places to visit for as long as it lasts. Good luck to both of these teams in the future. As a Cougar I am really excited to see Jimmer play in his last few games as an amateur.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    "I feel sorry for the Ute athletes who will now be required to play on selected Sundays. Sad for those athletes who wish to honor the sabbath day. Will ultimately direct many excellent LDS athletes to BYU."

    Trueblew,

    Guess what 99.9% of the country has no problem with playing on Sunday. And though I'm sure you'd disagree, non LDS are not Satan.

    Utah has and will continue to play on Sunday... how will that affect the status quo?

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:38 p.m.

    What are you talkng about furry rodent?

    Are you feeling guilty because you didn't go to church last Sunday?

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:50 p.m.

    Howard S. | 12:50 p.m.
    Taylorsville, UT
    Re: blauch

    And yet with all that Cougar glory not one major conference would invite BYU.
    ===

    Enjoy your "invite".

    #5 in football to unranked vs. an invite.

    Basketball... SWBU, Oral Roberts... At the HC.

    But... you were invited... Enjoy trying to prove yourselves...

    ===
    hedgehog | 6:26 p.m.
    Ann Arbor, MI

    "Guess what 99.9% of the country has no problem with playing on Sunday. And though I'm sure you'd disagree, non LDS are not Satan."

    ...........

    No problem here, but please, ask Doug Robinson and friends to NOT try to tell us that the U is full of LDS returned Missionaries, that hold to a higher standard... It's a joke.

    And don't run through all the LDS wannabes that play professionaly on Sundays, because there are those that don't.

    The U of U is not the place to talk about standards. Hedgegie has often spoke of the fact that BYU can't compete because of the "Sunday School" crowd.

    BYU is BYU, and Utah is Utah. Utah is not BYU...

    Won't ever be, and that is why BYU is up 9/10...

    Yet.... INVITED....

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:51 p.m.

    hedgehog

    Every major conference needs bottom dwellers to pad the records of the elite teams in the conference. The Utes will be excellent padding.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    Dick, this is strangely similar to the article about the Ute football team last fall when they were 8-0, on cloud 9, had awesome chemistry, and players saying things like "we can win every game." Hmmmmm Strangley similar.

    Veritas, playing the anti-U religion card?

    "...that the U is full of LDS returned Missionaries, that hold to a higher standard... It's a joke."

    "The U of U is not the place to talk about standards."

    Not sure what your motivation was there. BYU fans claiming a moral high ground has, in general, never been effective in discussion boards or in winning people over to their arguments.

    Sure, it's great Jimmer doesn't have to play on Sundays...for now. What happens when he's playing in the NBA on Sundays next year? Will he have lost the all of the Y fans worshipfulness? Doubt it. Wouldn't it be great to see him playing in the league!

    Religion card. Overused.

    Also, you keep claiming the Utes went from #5 to unranked. Wrong. Consider qualifying your statement by citing the poll. BCS: 5--->19 (final on 12/05), AP: Utah 6--->unranked (26), USA today: 6--->23.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:12 p.m.

    In the so called New Deal to make the PAC-10 a PAC-16 Super Conference, lest we forget it fizzled out and Plan B was implemented. Thus we have the PAC-10.2

    It must be very difficult to be a Ute fan these days after losing so much. If it wasn't for Jimmer, a winning BB team, and all of this other media attention and now a TCU game scheduled I would just curl up in a fetal position and just cry for my poor bitter and jealous Ute friends.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas

    Yes my friend INVITED is good.

    It's verrry good.

    It's better than winning 9/10.

    You know it and I know it.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    Howard S.

    So ... NOT winning and being invited to another conference is better in your mind.

    "Truly you have a dizzying intellect."

    I'll take winning and watching my football games AND basketball games on EPSN. But thanks for playing.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    fresnogirl -

    Let me help you understand this.

    Losing streaks, even long losing steaks eventually turn around. Remember 1-25?

    Conference affiliation lasts a lot longer that a losing streak.

    I'll take a losing streak and the PAC 12 any day over a winning streak and the weird independent/WCC thing that BYU has.

    The PAC 12 upside is bigger and better than whatever it is that BYU has.

    Don't believe me...

    Well believe this... BYU would take about a half second to jump at an invitation from the PAC 12 or the Big 12.

    But alas... that is an invitation that will never come.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 1:11 a.m.

    Howard S.

    Oregon State hasn't played in the Rose Bowl since 1965.

    Arizona has never played in the Rose Bowl.

    Upside is nice, but don't confuse potential with actual accomplishiment.

    There's no guarantee that Utah will win a PAC 12 title in football or basketball for decades, if ever.

    As we saw with TCU just last month, it's possible that BYU could be playing in the Rose Bowl long before Utah gets there.

    And nothing Utah has done lately suggests that Utah will ever be anything more that a middle of the PAC team in basketball.

    Utah fans may have to learn the hard way that conference affiliation doesn't mean anything unless you actually do something.

    Lots of teams in "power" conferences bump along at the bottom, for years, even decades, with only occassional flashes of brilliance.

    Do something! Then U can talk!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Howard S. | 11:07 p.m. Feb. 17, 2011
    Taylorsville, UT
    fresnogirl -

    Let me help you understand this.

    Losing streaks, even long losing steaks eventually turn around. Remember 1-25?

    ===

    That was one season.

    1-9 losing streak is becoming a way of life.

    ...and Howard, please stop telling people that they agree with you...

    ====
    MIP

    Just responding to Hedge's religion card. I hate the Ute fans hypocrisy.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    Re: Veritas Aequitas

    Stop telling people they agree with me?

    Are you telling me that if a major conference invite came that BYU and their fans wouldn't grab in about a half second.

    I think so.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 9:26 a.m.

    @ mussingarround

    Utah's done nothing to suggest they will be better than middle of the PAC12?

    Well the Sweet Sixteen in 2005 isn't yesterday but it's certainly more recent than any tourney success the Cougars have had.

    And it's more recent than 1984 which seems to be the year that all past, present and future BYU football success is based on.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Feb. 18, 2011 12:22 p.m.

    Howard S.

    I guess you are right ... From the year I was born until I was 20, the University of Utah had only beaten BYU twice (1978 and 1988). Now that both teams are good, the games aren't so boring anymore. Way to turn that around.

    Either way, winning is ALWAYS going to be better than losing. Losing in another Conference is still losing. I would still rather win. But I tend to be competitive like that. I bet Boylen would trade losing in the PAC for winning anywhere about now.

    But, I see from your lack of comments on your own basketball boards that you don't really support that team anyway.

  • cougar76 Provo, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 4:50 p.m.

    Howard S ought to logout for a while. He is getting in over his head when the only thing he has to throw at us is an obvious fact. Of course BYU would join the PAC or the Big-12 if invited. No one has said they wouldn't. However, I think we would have gotten paid the first year, and I think there were reasons other than sports that led to our exclusion. Don't forget how many teams didn't join the PAC before the u was invited.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 5:13 p.m.

    All of these back and forth negative comments, slams, putdowns, and speculations are ridiculous! Most of you completely left this great article and went for the juggler vein on the BYU and Utah hatedred syndrom! It gets so boring to see the same verbal trash talk go back and forth.

    "Cougars continue to have the time of their lives!" And, yes they have. We, as BYU fans are thoroughly enjoying the ride as well as the players, coaches, and students. They have had a great season. We have attended every home game and have seen outstanding contests. Congratulations, keep giving it your all, and..........

    Go Cougars!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 18, 2011 8:20 p.m.

    Fresnogirl -

    "I bet Boylen would trade losing in the PAC for winning anywhere about now."

    No.... I don't think so. Boylen's on a losing streak and he certainly needs some wins.

    But first and foremost he's competitor. And real competitors always want to measure themselves against the best competition available.

    So no... as a competitor he would rather test himself in the PAC 12 against strong competition than run up a cheap winning streak against weak competition. (think WCC...)