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  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    It's a mental problem.
    The way to adjust it is to really push them to their limits.

    I'm dissapointed with some of the comments from Tyrone, CJ, etc. They're getting too encouraged by their effort, not results.

  • sputterish Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:10 a.m.

    "It's tough but it happens;" or "It is what it is." I'm getting tired of DWill's surly cliches summing up all that went wrong in a game. He usually throws in a "No excuses," too, heavily laced with semi-transparent excuses alluding to calls not going our way, or to missing and injured players. I wonder if he realizes how many winning seasons Jerry Sloan coached that had every bit as difficult spans with only 9 men--or fewer--dressing and healthy, and still managed to avoid losing 5 games in a row at home, or ever. I like all our players and wish them the best, but their so-called leader really needs to man up and start doing the little mundane things, on BOTH ends of the court to start winning. Their defense is miserable, and all the offensive effort in the world is not going to make what Jerry Sloan tried to get through his head less true today than it was for the last 20 years: Defense wins, Deron,and man, you better be the LAST person in a Jazz uniform to ever feel sorry for yourself.

  • GoodGuyGary Houston, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:47 a.m.

    How many of you already miss Jerry?

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:14 a.m.

    Do not make a trade, do not change chemistry and do not guard 3 pointers;

    well oh well

    expect this to continue

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:33 a.m.

    3 games recently lost... what's sad is that those games could've been won with good offensive execution in the closing minutes of the game. (kinda like what sloan would demand from his players) last 2 minutes and all you see are botched up plays and hurried 3 point attempts. where have all the hard screens and hard cuts gone? millsap and jefferson were having good games against the warriors, and yet, all we saw were 3 point attempts by miles and williams in last minutes of the game. geez. i wanted to point out the awful defense but it's the new jazz; they don't believe in defense anymore!

    p.s., anonigma i agree with you. Ty corbin and some players seem too content with the "effort" when it's winning that's more important. i used to sometimes think sloan was a bit too gloomy and hard to satisfy. but now i can't stand those rosy and optimistic platitudes that current coach and jazzmen now spew out everytime they lose.

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:35 a.m.

    sad day for jazz fans... 3 games recently lost... what's sad is that those games could've been won with good offensive execution in the closing minutes of the game. (kinda like what sloan would demand from his players) last 2 minutes and all you see are botched up plays and hurried 3 point attempts. where have all the hard screens and hard cuts gone? millsap and jefferson were having good games against the warriors, and yet, all we saw were 3 point attempts by miles and williams in last minutes of the game. geez. i wanted to point out the awful defense but it's the new jazz; they don't believe in defense anymore!

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:11 a.m.

    The Jazz simply do not have enough talented experienced players to win right now.

    Corbin has done an excellent job of adjusting the offense and running plays that bog down less. He only utilized the flex aspects of the offense for a few minutes.

    The starters logged 40 minutes. That was out of necessity. IF you give Corbin a couple more decent players he will win.

    You lose for reasons. It is basically cause and effect. This team is deficient in 3 point shooting and needs 1 more effective big.

    They would then be rested enough to finish.

    That would create a rotation among the 3 bigs and a shooting rotation among 4 wings (plus Hayward) who have some outside shooting ability when healthy.

    The effort is there. The coaching is not bad. The resources needed are not there right now.

    The Jazz are in the lux tax. They will kiss the year off and dump salary. Or they will add a shooter and try to make the play offs.

    I like the offensive adjustments Corbin is making. He is a decent coach. Get a shooter and heal 2 players. The defense will improve with healthy players.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:17 a.m.

    Bottom line, it's a lack of toughness. When the going gets tough in the 4th quarter, the Jazz panic and die. CJ, "I've never seen a shot I didn't like" Miles starts hucking up 3 pointers that don't go in. They get out of the offense and settle for outside shots and they just give up on defense. Look at how many lay ups they allowed Golden State to make in the 4th last night. No "go to guy" on offense. All in all, a pretty abysmal team.

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:20 a.m.

    Coach Williams is 0-3 now.

  • Hugh G. Hater SLC, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:26 a.m.

    What do Jerry and DWill have in common?
    They both quit on this team.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    Deron says " we have to figure out ways to win" too bad he ran off the coach who used to do that for them.

    As players the team would have been happier to see him just play and let the coach do the coaching. Now it seems that coach Williams is having to do more than he is capable of.

    Trading players may not help this group.

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:15 a.m.

    I'm a Sloan homer and I'll be the first to say we would have lost these games with Sloan.

    @josemb- have you not watched the season? They haven't been executing down the stretch for months now. It's not Corbin's fault.

    The main problem is the injuries, specifically DWill's wrist. We are getting about 60% of DWill right now. Props to him for playing hurt.

    The other problem is that we don't have any three point shooters and we can't guard the paint or the three.

  • POD Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Fire O'Conner. He's to blame.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:11 a.m.

    I agree with JFFR. Corbin has the offense running reasonably well at about 100 points in the last 3 games.

    Give him 2 more healthy players and time to practice some D adjustments and this should turn around.

    I am not a CJ fan but GS packed the paint and dared Utah to shoot 3s a the end. There are NO set Jazz 3 point plays. Sometimes when CJ chucks it is because there are NO better options.

    DWill is dinged. AJ, Millsap, Hayward and Watson are not 3 point shooters.

    GS counted on CJ not being able to hit enough at the end having played 40 minutes.

    This is not CJs fault. It is just smart Bball by GS and a lack of shooters by Utah.

    I am normally critical of CJs shooting percentage. But sometimes he is forced to shoot.

  • groy West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    D-Will is not an All-Star caliber player. All-Star's win games in the final minutes. The first couple of weeks of the season, D-Will played great. Since then, he's lost more games than he's won. To be an All Star, a player needs to keep on winning those games ALL season long.
    Even with Sloan on the bench, the Jazz would've lost these games as the players aren't performing and executing the plays that are being called.

  • jcrotty25 Meridian, ID
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    The truth comes out .. .looks like dwill had asked to be traded ... and koc said no.. wow you are stupid koc.. dwill cant carry our team .. so what happens ..derron grew tired of sloans outdated tactics and his unwillingness to play younger players anlong with a laundry list of other complaints .. so sloan retires bc his top player wants out rather then play for him... All i can say is dwill is gone in 2012 anyway and if you trade him now you can get a kings randsom for him .. so make the dang trade koc ..ive listed before about 15 trades that would make us better right now and most of them could include a first round pick..what people dont relize is that if you look at all the top prospects comming into college,and college, and you look at the nba right now, the point guard is by far the most saturated position and thus by far the easiest to replace...

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    Jazz thought Bell could replace Korvers shooting, Jefferson replace Boozers rebounding- they didn't. The age, injuries, and indifference have all taken their toll. All in all, defense is slightly better, offense a bit worse, and effort from the vets is way down.

  • WinSum Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    Sloan is missed and DWill misses the point of a team?
    "This is more games than 'I' have lost at home in more that two or three years." Is it really is all about an individual and not about a team?

    Let's home the Jazz can find themselves quickly.

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:01 a.m.

    to be fair . no doubt williams run sloan off but he is the jazz closer. right now he is not even 60 percent. it shows with all the turnovers and poor shooting. at least he is playing boz would be on the bench rather than mess his stats up. thats the only good thing i have to sy about him at this time

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    A few points on the Jazz:

    1) Not D-Wills fault. Hurt his wrist in January and has been playing hurt ever since

    2) O'Conner refuses to make a trade. If free agents won't come to Utah, what is O'Conner doing sittting on Kirilenko's $ 18M expiring contract? Send him somewhere and get a couple of players in return that are signed for the future.

    3) Only team in the NBA without a consistent outside scoring threat

    4) Hayward is a nice guy and probably a Boy Scout but is NOT the 9th pick of ANY draft.

    5) Bench is awful. Jazz were playing 7 on 12 last night.

    6) Sat behind O'Conner last night and saw him jump up about 10 times to yell at the refs. Not the refs problem. Look in the mirror KOC.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:13 a.m.

    If Dwill is only 60%, why is he playing? AK is 80% and not playing. Bell is 70% and not playing. Memo is 100% and not playing........

    Dwill is hurting the team by playing if he is truly that hurt. Take two weeks off, miss the allstar game and heal. But he won't. After the allstar game he will take the time off. Mark my words on that one..........

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:23 a.m.

    I wonder how KOC feels suddenly finding himself stepping into the footprints of Craig Thompson. I wonder about the Millers... stepping out of their father's.

  • Your dead Uncle Saint George, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    In watching the post game interview with CJ, at one point he dropped his head, coughed hard and said "wow".

    Must have been something he was choking on, like a jump shot.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    Why are the Jazz not making trades or trying to sign new people? I have to be the first to say that before the Utah Jazz-Cavaliers-Titanics they SHOULD TRADE WILLIAMS.

  • SoCal Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    I have a tendency to believe it is Lack of Toughness.
    Mostly mental toughness.
    But I will reserve judgment until after the all-star break. Some teams come out of the break all rejuvenated, let's see what kind of toughness this team has.

  • COUGARNATE Lyman, WY
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Fire O'Conner!!! His personel moves are terrible!!!

  • Doctor J Manti, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    How much is Kevin O'Connell getting paid?

  • NYJazzFan East Elmhurst, NY
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    I grew up a Knicks fan and still am but the Jazz are my #1 team. I started watching the Jazz in 92 cause of Malone, Stockton and Sloan. This is the worst it has been but its because the perfect storm materialized. I think Corbin has potential. Once the team gets healthy, he NEEDS to start Memo, AJ, AK, Bell and DWill. Bring Milsap and CJ off the bench to boost the 2nd unit. This team can and will win again this season. KOC has done a terrible job unfortunately. Not signing mathews, drafting hayward at number 9 (he is a nice guy but 9? really?, not trading boozer for something of value..etc..

  • JazzyMan Meadow, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 12:38 p.m.

    My two cents about defending the three-point shot.Just a few short years ago when the Spurs played the Suns in a playoff series,Popavich told his players to absolutely not let the Suns have an uncontested three-point shot since the
    'three" was (and still is) a huge part of the Sun's offense.The Spurs executed this plan even if it meant weakly defending the two point shot.I still remember that in that series,and more specifically in the game I saw.The Suns were beaten to a pulp.Have I seen anything remotely resembling that coaching philosophy coming from Sloan or Corbin? The answer is a big fat 'NO' I wish the Jazz ,for once, would defend the three point line with all their might even if it means giving up some twos. Come on Horny and Corbin! I know you can defend the three-ball much better than what your doing.

  • klepsydra Longmont, CO
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    There is no trade available that will make the Jazz good enough this year to compete for a championship.

    They can trade to make us worse in the future but make the playoffs this year (trade AK for players with horrible contracts that no team wants like Rip Hamilton).

    They can trade to dump salary and avoid the luxury tax, which would make us less competitive in all regards (trade AK for someone with a smaller salary and much less contribution).

    Lastly, they can trade to go wholesale into rebuilding mode (trade DWill, Jefferson etc).

    In the long run the Jazz are best off either holding steady with what they have, or going into rebuild mode wholesale.

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    Sky falling. Fairweather fans all over huh. Jazz is good team get healthy and make a playoff. In playoff could happen anything.
    Go AK

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    AK is not going to be traded. The 17 million savings next year is worth more than any trade to the franchise.

    CJ is not going to be traded. His less than 4 million a year is dirt cheap for 20 points a night.

    They would love to trade Memo and Bell but most likely there is no value to another team until next year.

    The Jazz with everyone healthy are top 10 in the NBA and that is good enough for Utah and its small market.

  • Fuzzbrain Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    A few weeks ago I would have never considered the idea of trading DWill as a good idea. But now, he might be the only player we have that anybody else wants (although I'm sure teams would trade for Millsap too). It just feels like they need to make some personnel changes to stop the ship from sinking. I'm not sure what we'll have to look forward to if they continue playing without a good SG or a real starting center.

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    Does everyone forget that when this team was healthy, earlier in the year, they were winning?

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    @CJ Miles- 60% was just a guess. DWill is still valuable cause he can pass and break down defenses. He just isn't shooting all that well and is turning the ball over more (maybe it's affecting his dribbling a little bit)

    Your last post is correct. When this team is healthy, they win games. They are a lot better then they are playing right now. If they continue the way they are right now they won't make the playoffs. But they are going to get better. They are gonna beat some of the top 5 teams in this league and have some exciting games. I could even see a first round upset...

  • JFFR Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    We want a 10-day!
    We want a 10-day!
    We want a 10-day!

    Come on everyone, start chanting!!!

    It would give me something to be excited about. How's it gonna hurt? We might even get a Sundiata moment and we all know every Jazz fan is somewhat endeared to Othyus Jeffers (if you bring him back great, if not, I'm willing to fall in love with another 10-day)

    We want a 10-day!!!!

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Feb. 17, 2011 3:56 p.m.

    How could anyone post that the Jazz should trade Dwill? That's like Cleveland trading LeBron....Oh wait, LeBron left Cleveland and how are the Cavaliers doing now?

    We have a good PF in Jefferson with a great back up in Millsap.

    We have the game's best PG with a great backup in Watson.

    Need to lose Memo and Fes and get a descent center.

    AK and CJ are great at the small forward.

    Big hole is at the two. The Jazz need a good shooting guard and Bell coming off the bench.

    This team is one 2 guard and Memo healthy from being an elite team. Or trading Memo's contract for another center.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 4:09 p.m.

    It's a talent problem pure and simple. The Jazz have won 8 out of their last 24 games (since Jan. 1). They are finished as far as the playoffs are concerned this year. Deron Williams's last year in a Jazz uniform is next season. Actually the Jazz have been playing better without Deron in the lineup. He is not as talented as the broadcasters would lead us to believe. He is constantly attempting passes that are high risk and causing turnovers. He is not a three point threat. Bottom line; when you examine the roster man for man, it is not up to the level that will generate any possible playoff hope whatsoever. Right now as far as I am concerned, they are merely entertainment and a venue to see some of the real players in the league. It is sad to see the demise of the franchise.

    When are we going to hear the complete story about the coaching change? It is quite evident that the team and management have thrown in the towel for this season.

    I have a question about the Jazz telecasters. When are they going to call the game instead of their nonsense?

  • Mortoon Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 17, 2011 4:59 p.m.

    The pac called and want to add the Jazz instead of the u basketball team to their conference. It's win-win!

  • concerned jazz fan Park City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    we're at 8th place right now, after the all star break I hope the Jazz start winning games, otherwise we continue to go down,I still want the Jazz to make it to playoffs even at 8th seed.. buckle up jazz fans and enjoy the ride! or maybe not.

  • josemb navotas, philippines
    Feb. 17, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    you're right JFFR, the jazz hasn't been executing that well in offense the past month. i was just thinking that since "you-know-who" got his wish of getting free of sloan's structured offense the jazz would be able to play better offense. at least that's what you-know-who wants. they had a chance to win those 3 last games but offensive inefficiency doomed them. i was just saying that if they had played using sloan's system those last 2 minutes of each game they could have won those games. when the outcome of those games came to executing in offense, they failed miserably.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    Went to the game last night. What pitiful teams. BYU and San Diego State would annihilate both teams at this point in time. Crummy passing, poor shooting, bad rebounding, what a farce for NBA pros.

    As we lef the game several fans saw my BYU hat and said if I had any contacts try and get Jimmer (and Jackson) on the JAZZ team because they are pitiful.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Feb. 17, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    why trade deron? coz he will leave anyway...so why not get some of value for him...trade him to philly...for Holiday...turner spreights or Hawes and a first and second round draft pick....or trade him to the nets...and get what they are offering for melo....we could include memo and raja on the trade...

  • Jazz-Nation Lehi, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Didnt Williams come close to a triple double in the loss last night.

    Dont throw the baby out with the bath water folks!

    Deron makes this team better. We need shooters and healthy players asap.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Feb. 17, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    Miles: Why do you keep wanting CJ to play the 3, he is much better suited to play the 2. As a 3 he is undersized and at a disadvantage against the better 3's in the league, Durrant,KingJames,Granger,Pierce, Carmelo and I'm sure there are others. As a 2 he has the advantage alittle, I would much rather see CJ play the 2.

  • Al Bundy murray, ut
    Feb. 21, 2011 3:18 p.m.

    Fickle Jazz fans

    D-Will is that good! He was all NBA last year!!! An Olympian!!! He has won NBA player of the month!!! Should have been on at least 1 more All-Star team!!! *** Our local guys don't get to pick all that stuff! Just report it. He has been a bit off of late? Still scoring 21 a game with 9 assists!!! Run him out and see what the very bottom looks like! And good luck getting a big time player to ever come to Utah again!!!