Seriously? I find it hard to believe.
I believe him. Sloan's too strong to be pushed out by a player, and Williams
too smart to want to be known for having pushed a legend out the door. The two
argued about things, and the most recent disagreement may have convinced Sloan
it was time to quit...nothing wrong or unhealthy about that. My own belief is
that Sloan simply ran out of the energy it took to captain the ship, just like
Wow looks like Ty gets to start his head coaching career with 9 healthy guys.
Good luck Ty! We will be cheering for you.I have to believe that
DWill didn't push Sloan out the door. I saw another quote that he would have
asked for a trade way before asking for a new coach. I have to believe him about
that. At the same time I think the argument was the straw that broke
the camels back. Its' certainly not the first argument Sloan has had with a
player, but sadly it was his last.It's sad the way it happened mid
season, but I hope Jerry left on his own terms and has no regrets. After 23
years Jerry has earned the right to do pretty much anything he wants. No one
will ever question his dedication.
The press always likes to present a good guy and a bad guy.There are
no bad guys in this story.Sloan always said; "One day or moment
I will just decide it is time to go"."Don't know when or
where".It's not any more difficult than that.Like
Sloan said; "arguing with players is normal every day process".Thanks Sloan, for all you've done for the Jazz and this State.....And D-will, we're all behind you and know you're one of the good guys
and you had nothing to do with Sloan retiring, it was just his time.He's 68 years old, has millions in the bank, a younger wife and his Farm. Like
Lavell Edwards he wants to do something more with his life.My only
request? Jazz Management... Get the statue done for him, (should have been ready
for this moment) and get the guy in Alpine, who does all the NFL hall of Fame
busts, to do it.
What Williams said is true. No one could force Sloan to leave. This was Jerry's
choice. He's old, has been doing this a long time and was sick of the crap and
didn't feel like he could help the Jazz win anymore, so he retired. End of
story.The rest is just a media frenzy for a story and to sell papers
You've got to believe both Williams and Sloan here. They are both saying the
exact same thing. Sloan is 68 years old, there is a reason why
most people retire between 65 & 70. Most people don't have as stressful of
a job as being a head coach for an under-performing NBA team too. Ultimately I think this will be a learning experience for DWill. He is still
young, hopefully he comes out of it more mature and focused on what's most
Hornacek and Corbin will be dynamite together!
One thing you can count on from both Jerry and D-Will: honesty. One thing you
can count on from the media: spouting intrigue based on innuendo. Williams
challenged the sources who say he pushed Jerry out to come forward and he'd
confront them (another thing you can count on from D-Will: combativeness). One
thing I'm hoping to see is better team chemistry. We'll see if D-Will can be
the kind of leader who will pull the team together. The coaching change can
reignite and refocus the team, so I'm hoping to see a stellar first quarter and
a 20 point win tonight.
I don't care whether or not the argument was the reason for Coach Sloan leaving,
or not. Whatever happened to "OK Coach, I'll do that?" Overpaid, over
pampered, over coddled, selfishness...Gone are the days of "Thanks Coach,
I'll work harder. I'll run the play better next time. I appreciate you trying to
make me a better player and person."
All good things must come to an end. Sloan was good, never great when it came to
winning the whole thing, but i think that things happen for a reason and I for
one am looking forward to turning the page and letting Greg Miller and Ty Corbin
follow a path that was paved before them by Larry Miller and Jerry Sloan. Hard
work, dedication, loyalty are the foundations on wich this team was grounded. I
am looking forward to see how this team responds to such a big change.LETS GO JAZZ!!
Situations are cumulative.I'm sure that Sloan had much bigger
arguments with other players over time.Then comes the time when you
just realize you have enough money.I have no idea what was said, but
I know that both D Will and Sloan wanted to win.No bad guys here.
Just part of the game.Thanks coach for all you have done.Good luck Ty.
Sounds it has more to do with Greg Miller's "style" (or lack thereof)
than any player. He's not a "chip-off-the-old-block" realist like his
Nobody, ever, could force Jerry Sloan to do anything. If it wouldn't have been
this it would've been an exceptionally bad call, inappropriate media question,
heckler, something. I think he's been wavering since the bad end to the '08 reg
season.68 is up there and 23 years is an unreal amount of time.
It's not the job itself, it's all the little things that go with it. If Sloan
really had a problem with DW he'd've taken a swing at him. Other than that, he
lets it all go.Both have handled this well, no spin or sugarcoating,
let's move on. A three game winning streak heading into the break would work
wonders.Good luck, Ty! And pleasepleasplease move CJ into the
starting lineup in place of Raja, and give Fes regular shifts.
@bluto. Amen. Get that Sloan statue in the works. It is at least as deserved
as Stockton and Malones were.As bad as I feel about how this all
went down I hope Corbin has great success. Loved him as a player, perfect Sloan
player, strapped it up and went to work. I hope this chance works out for
him.As for Dwill, only time will tell. I am still almost positive
he is gone after next year. Lets see how he handles the reactions he is going
to see from the fans. He will either go hard and play better than ever or he
will pull a Lebron and quit on the team. I hope for the first option and I hope
I am wrong and he re-ups with the Jazz.
CC, nailed it. Has nothing to do about Dwill running him out or not. The fact
is, Sloan is the Coach (Boss) Listen to him, what makes these NBA players yhink
they can argue with there coaches in the middle of the game and if you do than
you better put skills and talent where your mouth is..
I don't know the specifics of how it went down, it doesn't really matter. It's been said that a team takes on the personality of it's head coach.
Well the Utah Jazz's personality much of this season has been old and tired with
a little apathy mixed in.It was time for a change, some new blood,
some new ENERGY! Good luck coach Corbin and the Jazz going forward. And good
move to get Hornicek on the bench as well.
If DWill did not run a couple of plays called by Sloan it is most likely because
DWill knew they were not going to work (because they had worked all night). Sloan was famous for stubbornly running plays that were not working and
insisting on continuing to try to run them. At that point DWill (who
wants to win) has nothing to lose by calling an audible when he sees an
opportunity. You all are making DWill out as the bad guy here. I
know you revere Sloan but you all know he was stubborn to the fault of losing as
long as it was his way.A little more creativity and flexibility
would have produced a more wins. Increasing the pace and giving the
PGs more flexibility some of the time should pay dividends. Persistence can be a virtue. Stubbornness is not.
Correction (because they had NOT worked all night).
We have to be idiots to think DWill or any other player (Malone etc) could push
out Sloan. It's Jerry Sloan, not Westphal or some other C list coach. I wish
it had gone different but yet, if you have listened to Sloan over the years,
it's always been a day to day thing. I think there were enough consecutive days
that he finally said, "It's time". I even think he caught himself by
surprise a bit with it when you go back and look at the Bulls post game
interviews.Ty Corbin is the new coach. I hope it's a spark that
turns around the Jazz this season. They are in desperate need of some kind of
spark.I have a tough time thinking someone in LA or NY knows the
details better than any local media. Certain people are looking for national
headlines kinda like ambulance chasing lawyers. Report facts, do not make up
@Bugoff - I agree
I heard Derons response yesterday afternoon about Sloan leaving and Corbin being
hired.My personal impression? He was less than greatful to Sloan
and not near appreciative enough.Then with regards to Ty he was less
than enthusiastic in his response. He said "ya, Im excited" and that
was the full answer.Sound like a ringing endorsement to you?Sure Deron is sour with the media and I hope that was all it was because
mentally he sure did not answer like anything that has or would be happening was
good enough for him.Best of luck Ty.I believe one thing
many people will realize real soon. Winning with this team was hard for Jerry
with 23 years under his belt. What do you think it is going to be with Ty.I think Ty is a good guy. I hope he can reign in Derons
insubordination.I guess my question is this, where has Deron's
insubordination got the team so far this season? We know he has been bucking
Sloan more and more and yet where is the team at?Players always know
more than their coaches, just ask them.
I just hope he can find a way to motivate the players to KEEP MOVING on
offense.Watching the Jazz lately is just so BOOOOORING (win or
lose). They all just seem to stand around and watch the guy who has the ball,
like they don't have an assignment. It just makes it so EASY on the defense to
cover them. Then don't even have to move or defend their guy. They know right
were he'll be and he won't be moving until it's time for him to get involved.
If he moves... WATCH HIM... the ball's coming to him 100% certain (or he
wouldn't be moving).It's just so predictable and boring. Sometimes
the defense even falls asleep. That's about the only time we score!Seems like if the JUMP_SHOT isn't working for us.. that's all she wrote...
because we aren't getting anything bug garbage going on inside.Whenever a player unexpectedly penetrates the interior... it seems to freak
the defense out and something good always happens. I don't know why we can't
get a player to run through there once_in_a_while to shake_things_up.
Im not sure that I totally agree with Bugoff (in fact, im still sticking by my
response to you under the Ty Corbin is coach article), I don't think that Jerry
was as stubborn as you are making him out to be.That being said, I
completely agree that the coaching change will no doubt allow Deron more freedom
to "do his thing", and I think that will pay big dividends.
@BigBen actually Sloan was a lot more flexible in the last 2 years. I may have
overstated the case. However, I would love to see a change in pace.
I would love to see the flex utilize more kickout plays (by design, assuming the
Jazz have good enough outside shooters. I felt Jerry insisted on
pounding it inside when the paint was packed. That usually resulted in TOs or
random jump shots. Designed plays to break the paint pack would
really help. I do not think Korver ever had designed plays. I think
Corbin has to find a way to tweak the flex so that it does not stop cold when
the ball goes into AJ. I think some special AJ plays can be developed and added
with time. I am hoping the Pick and Roll defense strategy is
improved. I actually think Sloan was a very good coach. His overall
record proves it. But like D Antoni and others he had some unique ways.
Corbin has 16 years as a player and 7 as a coach. He knows all of the other
teams offenses and defenses. He knows the strengths and weaknesses of the Jazz
system and how to run it. He may know how to fix the current problems. I think the players will play for him and themselves. The same fundamental
weaknesses are there but maybe collectively Corbin and the players can find a
way to fix some of them.
Great points Bugoff. I couldn't agree more.
I was sitting with a trained military specialist during the press conference.
When Greg Miller said that nobody had pushed Sloan that man looked at me and
said "that man is lying". Deron who has been so busy
whining all season in the press now says he had a couple of discussions and
issues with the coach?Seems to me like the Jazz are putting the best
spin on this mess they can cobble together on short notice.But now
making the survivor out to be without blame will not help the team, nor will
hiring an ineffective shooting coach to be an assistant. Chances
are Jefferson will still not understand the pick and roll, Raja will still miss
his shots and Cj will still be spotty.Sloan knew what it took to
win, and with this group what it took to win might be walking away.Good job Jerry you are in better shape than the Jazz.
Why don't we all quit acting like Deron is an angel and had no involvement in
Jerry leaving. There is no way in this world that Jerry would quit mid-season
on his own. Clearly, he was forced out.
In the middle of a season, in the middle of a game? There must have been a
The question isn't did Dwill lobby for Jerry to go. I believe him when he said
he didn't and that if he didn't like Jerry's system he could leave after next
year. My question would have been--"and in that next year and a half, would
you have continued to defy your coach and undermine his actions?" This is
what Dwill is guilty of and to say that this had nothing to do with Jerry
leaving is childish. This kid is a spoiled pampered brat who hasn't accomplished
much of anything yet. Dwill, when you reach "time for me to take over the
running of the team" status--someone will let you know. For now, good
luck to Tyrone Corbin--but don't make the mistake of thinking you are the one
who calls the shots. If Jerry quit for that reason--your chances are slim. If we
could only really clean house (GM and current owners included) and start over
with only Paul Millsap, Gordon Hayward and Jeremy Evans. I'd endure losing
seasons to pull for good people.
Stop blaming Deron Williams. He is supposed to be strong-willed, fiery and to
have strong opinions about basketball. It is the coaches job to deal with that.
In fact that is mostly what coaches do. It would be much worse to have a player
with no fire, no strong opinions and no will of his own. Those guys win
nothing. Competitors will naturally challenge their coach. They're like
racehorses and it takes a strong hand to manage them. A few years ago Jerry
Sloan would have met the challenge head on, but when he said he didn't have the
energy anymore, this is what he was talking about.
The biggest story about Coach Sloan's resignation is how the media plays it all
up.Both broadcast as well as print media (which are the same thing
for DNews and KSL) thrive on building a story to the biggest proportions
possible.Enough already!The friction between Sloan and
Williams is absolutely nothing as compared with happens with other players and
coaches throughout the NBA.I for one look forward to the time when
all the hyperbole created by the media dies down and the Jazz get back to
business, which hopefully, will come much sooner than later.Everybody realizes the media have to sell their product to keep the
advertisers buying air time and display ads.So, media guys, you've
had your flash in the pan; now let's get back again to reporting true sports
stories, rather than stirring up controversy, okay?Please.
Jerry Sloan is a real man. He is not going to leave a team because of a conflict
with a player. There are many players who have had much worse conflicts with
Sloan. It is not going to be because of one player that Sloan leaves.
Sloan did not leave when John Ameachi played and was a problem for the Jazz.John Ameachi remains the greatest embarassment in a Jazz uniform to this day
and attacked Sloan in his book.It is not because of his gender preference
but how he approached it to play victim and to make exagerated false accusations
about Sloan to assasinate his character. I hope the NBA never has an
experience like this again. It does not belong in sports. Stop calling
Deron Williams a punk or you will be just like John Ameachi was.
The toughest defender, one of the hardest workin' players and coaches to have
ever played and coached....one who would never say "QUIT"......would
just quit??? Okay, say it "...was time....", you think for one nano
Jerry Sloan would, on his own, just quit? HE IS NO QUITTER! He may have hated
the way all these over-paid pampy scampies seem to think they have rites and
privileges beyond what their contracts allow them, you can also believe there
are no carp in Utah lake!!! Tough guy Sloan would have never just QUIT!
.....certainly the JAZZ allowed this to go down the wrong way! Huge step
I do not believe that Williams said "me or him". I do believe that
the relationship had become like trying to ride a disagreeable horse. You just
reach the point where it isn't worth the battle to get on the horse day in and
day out. You either sell the horse or quit riding.I also believe
that Sloan was getting pressure from Gregg Miller to change to the type of play
Williams wanted....more run and gun like so many teams do. Free styling that
gets you on the highlight shows.For me this is the same situation I
had in the mid-80s when the Cowboys changed hands and Landry was let go. With
Sloan gone, Stockton and Malone history, all the old style guys that care more
about winning than whining, my passion for the Jazz is about gone as well. If I
cannot respect those on the team, I cannot root for the team. I have little
respect for those left, Bell and few others certainly, but that's about it. Good luck and farewell to Jerry. I will miss you as I do Stock and
Deron is obviously "twisting the truth". He has a "cat ate the
canary" written all over his face. He has O'Connor, Rigby, and Miller all
eating out of the palm of his hand. Sloan "took no prisoners" and
Williams "took him out" and then crawled back "under his
rock". He is "going to beat up" anyone who calls his bluff!
That is Midwest street talk and now he "runs the town". Williams
refused to be a leader under Sloan. Now, he is the leader and has Corbin
already under his control.
wow a lot of speculation. so most of you think miller, sloan deron and whoever
else are not telling the truth. i think sloan had enough, he is 68 almost 69
years old. i think that itself says alot. it does bother me how d-will never
said one positive thing about sloan. at least i haven't heard one. so that to
me says volumes about their relationship and that to me is sad.
And D Will wonders why he can't get anybody to help him move. I think there are
several people will be willing to help him move now.Give me a call D, I'll
help ya move. Try Cleveland.
Ty Corbin is a terrific guy, a great dad to an exceptional son who will end his
hs career at West and go onto Div 1-A basketball. It's going to be very hard to
come out of the very dark cloud hovering over the Jazz, the heartbreak of losing
a guy who was the type of man we all would wish to be. Ty may have the patience
to do so, he has interviewed for other vacancies to lose the job to less
qualified men, yet keeps moving on. I wish him the best.
It is so obvious that Willams had some thing to do with Jerry's departure. Sure
he did not demand a trade or say its me or him but look at his stats the last
few games. Look at his lack of gratitude for Jerry helping him get his chance to
learn and grow. It seems to me that Willams decided to not play up to par until
he got his way like a spoiled child. He forced management to choose for him like
a coward he is. He is no Stockton nor ever will have his heart. Just like the
Loozer he cares only for his stats and his check. True champs go out and take
criticism and come out stronger Willams caved in. Look at our great
hero of our team can even man up to his actions.
I agree. Deron didn't push Jerry out the door. He just stood his ground as the
man who thinks he knows more than the coach and has the ball in his hands on the
court.Jerry, IMHO, just decided that it wasn't any fun, nor worth
the effort, to fight against the lead player. It's one thing to constantly try
to cajole effort and intensity out of Fez, or discipline and defensive effort
out of CJ, but it can't be emjoyable to try and convince the lead player your
system of 23 years still works.Deron didn't push Jerry out the door.
He just stood his ground, held the door open, and Jerry choose to leave. I,
for one, am uber-sad. I wish Ty the best. Coach Corbin will take
some time getting used to. I just hope Coach and Deron can agree on enough
things to get the Jazz back to the top of the Western Conference, if not the
NBA.Best of Luck gentlemen!!!
DWill deserved the boos he heard last night. It's unfortunate but Deron not
only makes it so miserable for the coach that he decides it's not worth it
anymore, but Williams will be gone at the end of his contract because by then
the Jazz will be horrible; Sloan was the reason this team was special, not
Enough already. I am guessing Darin is humble enough right now. How he does
moving forward will determine how the franchise does in the near future. Now is
his chance to either show some character or show that he is like so many other
sports stars who let their success go to their heads and focus on themselves
instead of team chemistry and winning.
Say what you will? When D-Will leaves the Jazz are are not going to be good!!!!
He is an All-Star, Firts team all NBA selection and an Olympian!!! He will be
pursued by every elite team out there!!! Remember this, all the top players have
that mean,ticked off look and sometimes attitude! Jordan, Kobe, D-Wade, Lebron,
Shaq, Larry, Stock and Karl!!! They are stubborn and want to win!!! D-Will wants
Deron, eat a Snickers. You're such a diva when you're hungry.