Who needs a "head-count" of illegal's, when thanks to Hatch and
Bennett there all over the place?. Now State Senator Luz Robles, along with
many other crooked colleagues associated (and some not typically associated)
with Sutherland Institute, developed the idea of an "accountability
card" for undocumented immigrants living in Utah. SB 60. While Senator
Orrin Hatch is certainly a very kind and decent man who is well-liked by his
peers, he has also been a politician who has at times gone with the will of the
entrenched political establishment instead of the will of the voters of his
state. Did the Deseret News received an e-mail from Tea Party Express chairman
Amy Kremer that quickly backpedaled away from Russo's de facto endorsement of
Hatch?. The only real Utah illegal immigration solution is to round them all up
and then deport them all. NOTHING ELSE will ever work. Obama has raised taxes
more than 20 times. Ninety percent of all the tax cuts he ever signed into law
are temporary. So, if you plan on living for two years, he has cut taxes. If you
plan on living beyond two years, their permanent. Remember that.
Partisanship? It is called money! If the business community can hire at low
wages they will continue to do so. Legislation will not stop them until the
fines and penalties are high enough for them to make changes.
The Robles plan is a monument to stupidity. Give one group of lawbreakers a
permit to break the law? That is supposed to be "smart"? One group
doesn't like the current laws they are breaking so the solution is to let them
break those laws until we can change them to their liking. And this is some kind
of brilliant solution? How in the world can Utah override the Federal government
and pass it's own partial amnesty bill to make the self serving members of the
Utah CON PACT happy? The one group that doesn't seem to matter to all of these
enlightened folks is the only one that matters, the people of Utah, who simply
want the law enforced.
I just can't wait to see what the fiscal note is going to be on Roble's bill.
One would have to presume taking over the Federal Immigration business will cost
more than $11 million. But, somehow, I suppose that money must be found to keep
the 110,000 illegals working while 100,000 legal Utahns keep getting paid to do
nothing. Businesses that want to hire illegals should be required to pay a
premium price for them, as compared to a Utahn that isn't productive. After
all, it must be worth it, else they wouldn't want to do so. (Or do they just
want to pay as little as possible?)
Here's my observations about the Nation, and Utah's illegal immigration
problem, we can't support them any longer, shut down all Public Schools, get
back to Home Schooling, round up and deport them all. Let your legislators
know. Of the longer-term problems in state and local governments' budgets,
none looms as large as underfunded pensions for public-sector employees.
Estimates for state pension underfunding range from $700 billion to $3 trillion
because of disparities in calculating future returns on investments. The funds
investments took a bad turn during the financial crisis, and many struggling
states cut their contributions to pensions during the economic recession to save
money and avoided cutting vital programs when their tax revenue collapsed. As
they seek to reduce a projected $1.5 trillion federal budget deficit,
congressional lawmakers are concerned that states will turn to them for help in
keeping pension promises. Some conservative leaders are going so far as to
suggest states be allowed to declare bankruptcy, which they cannot do currently
because the U.S. Constitution recognizes them as sovereign governments, so they
can renege on pension agreements. Like it or not, that's
still my views.
Our immigrant neighbors, both documented and not, actually create more jobs than
they take. They take fewer jobs than we think because they find the jobs that
most of us are leaving vacant. They and their families are tax payers and
consumers, leading to more jobs for us. Some of them even start businesses and
hire us natives.It was our mistake to label them illegal, so let's
encourage the US to change the visa laws. Meanwhile, be more compassionate and
consider them refugees from poverty and corruption.
Re: John C. C. - 8:38 a.m. Payson, UT "It was our mistake to
label them illegal, so let's encourage the US to change the visa laws.
Meanwhile, be more compassionate and consider them refugees from poverty and
corruption." Reply: First off. You wanna see the real
America, then turn the news off every now and then, get out of your comfort
zone's, and go see what a beautiful county we have. That belongs to us
American's, not illegal's. I guess your one of those "compassionate"
left wing liberal that is so far to the left, you fell off our planet already,
we American's are not here, to stand in a long line, holding hands, singing
"we are the world" yet, and, hopefully we won't ever have to either.
As I have said already, we can't support them any longer, shut down all Public
Schools, get back to Home Schooling, round up and deport them all. Let your
legislators know. Stop acting as if they are your pet chia pet's, and want to
water them, feed them, watch them grow, keeping these law breaker's here, just
report then deport.
"Now is the time for courageous men and women to stand up and insist upon a
bipartisan, truly Utah solution that will serve as a model for the
nation."Any solution must include deportation. Otherwise, we
have amnesty. In which case we may as well hand out citizenship papers at the
border and avoid all the immigration falderal.
Good try! Obviously Mr. Mero is doing his best to justify lawbreaking, but it
WON'T WORK!Exactly what makes Ms. Robles' or Mr. Mero believe that
illegal workers will register for anything? If the illegal aliens were actually
going to "register", WHY DIDN'T they do that in their homeland and
arrive here through the front door?If the bill DID PASS would Ms.
Robles' or the Sutherland institute use THEIR resources to deport anyone who
didn't register for a "guest worker" program?Didn't think
so!The "Utah Compact" is nothing but a smokescreen meant
to stay with the status quo!
@John C. C. 8:38 a.m.:"They take fewer jobs than we think
because they find the jobs that most of us are leaving vacant."These jobs are 'left vacant' because illegals are willing to take less pay,
thus driving wages down. Kick illegals out and the wages for 'jobs Americans
won't take' will rise and become viable work for Americans who need fair wages
to live on. Right now idled American workers can make more on unemployment
benefits than they can by taking jobs with wages depressed by immigrants (legal
or illegal). "It was our mistake to label them
illegal..."OK. So, let's change the label to 'fake documented
immigrants.' Illegals need some kind of documentation to get a job.
Mr. Mero I guess your institute's solution must be the "right"
solution. At least that is the premise of your article. Please open your mind
that it may not be so.
I'm waiting to see who will be the first neocon on the block to start whining
about a person's Constitutional right to hire undocumented workers.After all, Mitt Romney has already broken the ice on this and got away with
To "LOL | 10:50 a.m." you really have had too much of that liberal
Koolaid that you drink.If you bothered to read the Constitution, you
would see that Congress has the right to regulate commerce. Part of that
regulation includes fair employment practices and regulations. The Constutional
authority given to Congress allows it to create laws prohibiting the hiring of
illegal immigrants.Please stay off the Koolaid, and learn what a
neocon is. Just a quick reminder, NEOCONS are LIBERALS who use guns to spread
@LOL: "After all, Mitt Romney has already broken the ice on this and got
away with it."Romney didn't hire illegals. The contractor who
mowed his lawn hired them.Using your logic, the government has also
hired illegals and gotten away with it.
@ProteosSo you are saying that if I have a contractor come in to fix
my washing machine, fix my car, take care of my yard, dry-clean my clothes,
etc., etc., etc., I am supposed to spend a few hours per week of my time to
check out every contractor to make sure that they do not hire any illegals?
Perhaps you are a PI who could do that for me for a few hundred $ per
contractor--oh, wait a minute, I would need to check you out, too, to make sure
that YOU are not hiring illegals. Please!!!
Every time I read about this "accountability card" I don't know
whether to laugh or cry. An accountability card to allow law breakers (illegal
aliens and those who knowingly hire them) to continue to break the law?
Really?! Utter nonsense!In my opinion Sandstrom's bill needs to
become law along with Herrod's upcoming E-Verify bill and Mayne's bill dealing
with the independent contractor problem. Those three would make a significant
impact on the problem while the Mero-Robles bill would aggravate and perpetuate
it. With illegal immigration on the upswing, we'd be rolling out the red carpet
for more of the same. The fraudulent document mills would make a fortune
churning out "proof" that new arrivals had been here for years to
qualify for the "accountability card." I'm tired of the
double standards. Why do illegal aliens and their greedy employers get to break
laws with impunity while the rest of us are expected to honor the rule of
law?We need hold "accountable" all law breakers and those
law makers and others who facilitate this. Anyone else smell the stench of
greed and corruption?
My how the irate neocons freak when you remind them of Mitt Romney's shady
dealings with undocumented workers. Second to his infamous "God hasn't
spoken to man since Moses" quip (defying all Church tradition) his lame
illegal cover-up when he got caught breaking the law and hired illegals, will
haunt him always.Bring on Gingrich and Palin. Now there is a winning duo.
"Romney didn't hire illegals. The contractor who mowed his lawn hired
them."This is as lame as saying:"I didn't shoot that
person (with a state handgun)- the gun did."A never-ending source of
amusement these neocons are.
Am I the only one who finds the Sutherland Institute's complaining about
partisanship a bit ironic? Pot, meet the kettle you've helped
Notice how it isn't so easy to put your finger on exactly what Mr. Mero is
saying. This is because he knows that he must walk an exceedingly fine line
between CONCEALING his true agenda (since he knows it would be rejected by the
people), and selling you on it. The Utah Compact is exactly the same way: it
tortures itself in an effort to convey a message without ever explicitly stating
what it is. In the latter instance, it is an affirmative of amnesty,
pro-illegal invasion and occupation, pro-illegal employment, and
anti-enforcement of immigration law. But it never, EVER mentions this nor the
word "illegal" SPECIFICALLY. They know that they must instead very
carefully cloak it in a fluffy veneer of compassion and imply that the issue is
about immigration when they know that the issue really is about ILLEGAL
immigration. Even more cynical is the "break-the-law
permission card" that the "worker privilege" and "driver
privilege" cards essentially are. Make no mistake: the intent
of the proposed "worker privilege card" is to CIRCUMVENT immigration
law primarily in order to please the greedy businessmen who want the illegals
here for their cheap labor.
Let those who want to fight with us about our portion of a dwindling American
Dream create their own dream in their own countries. America is full. Why
should each of us cut our portion of the pie smaller and smaller? Its the
future of our children also that is at stake.