Exactly! and Harmon's point is spot on. The thing that bothers me
the most is how much money a school can make off a kid, how much a coach is
glorified and yet when it comes to the student/athletes, they are always the odd
man out. Most coaches, and especially Les Miles and Nick Saban,
couldn't coach themselves out of a paper bag. It's one thing to load up on
talent and simply run some 120 year old play for a touchdown, its quite another
to win a game based on strategy, strengths and weaknesses. As a side
note, The Norm Chow vs Brandon Doman matchup intrigues me.
DH knows nothing of Utah's recruiting practices.His job is spin for
BYU.He should not comment on Utah.
Howard he covers college football. If he wants to write about Utah then he can
write about Utah. Oh and wasn't it yesterday that Mike Sorensen wrote about a
BYU basketball player?I bet Dick knows more about Utah's athletics
than you do.Thanks for an interesting article and sad that kids can
enroll in school with a scholarship and later be told they don't have one.
That was an interesting article that brings a lot of light to the situation.
good article, shows a little of the dirty side of recruiting.According to
this, Reggie Bush is going to cost 10 kids scholarships and/or the ability to
play for USC.
Howard S knows nothing about BYU athletics. His job is to make
outlandish claims on Utah sports.He should not comment on BYU.
Uh howard...Dick has known the whittinghams for a very long time. Since the 70's
at least. He has known Kyle since he was a kid and both are Provo High grads. He
can call him at anytime and Kyle will answer the phone and talk to him as an old
friend.You on the otherhand are a fairly dim troll with no clue
about anything but that is typical of most ute "fans".How
do I know this? Well I am also a Prov grad who has known the Whittinghams for
30+ years and attended high school with a couple of them. You on the
otherhand are either 14 years old or else you are 30 years old and still live
with mommy. Either way you've never played a sport in your life.
I was about to write something here to Howard but Duckhunter beat me to it. I'm
glad the kids and parents here in state can rely on Whit and Bronco and Andersen
(et al) to do the right thing when it comes to recruiting. They are the type of
men I want coaching my son if he gets the chance.
It isnt unusual for BYU and Utah to sign one or two more players than the amount
of scholarships each school has set aside. Its a cushion. Since
Whittingham took over he has NEVER over-signed unlike Bronco last year and then
had to pull scholarship offers from the kids who would dare to exercise their
free agency and by visiting another school. Whittingham signs good athletes and
then builds them a position around their talents. Who was that running
back from Utah County that Bronco pulled before even stepping on campus? I know
that the kids father was way upset. Promise given, promise broken. Even
if the Utes stand at 18/25 that will leave a lot of options open and not be hard
pressed to fill the remainder. Maybe a walk on deserves a scholarship or JC
transfer. Coach Kyle builds the player and recruits the best athlete. Sylvester
was a basketball player and now is in the NFL. Coaching is the key and
Whittingham and staff look to the long term-- Harmon was out of line including
Utah in his article as I have never seen over recruiting by the staff at Utah.
Hailstorm, which is it? "It isnt unusual for BYU and Utah to sign one or
two more players than the amount of scholarships each school has set
aside." Or, ". . .I have never seen over recruiting by the
staff at Utah." I don't think Harmon is the one who is out of
Whoa Nellie Wrong again.
Hailstorm,What's wrong with pulling a scholarship offer from a kid
that visits another institution AFTER giving a verbal?
So you contradict yourself hailstorm and then when you are exposed the best
reply you can come up with is "wrong again"?LOL
As usual, Hailstorm, is so blinded by his BYU hatred that he can't see
straight.Everything is always so "rosy" at the U. Nothing
Kyle has ever done could possibly be questioned, whereas every slight twitch
from Bronco is heavily scrutinized for even the slightest hint of
impropriety.Take off your crimson-colored glasses stormcloud and
realize that your Bronco criticism is based on nothing but your own BYU
hatred.Harmon included both BYU and Utah in the article, because
both schools handle oversigning of recruits in exactly the same way - they each
offer a few more scholarships than the available scholarships to account for
players that may not end up signingon campus right away for a variety of reasons
- missionary service, academics, or deciding to attend a different school.Schools have a limited number of scholarships and many recruits that are
interested in those scholarships. If a player makes a verbal commitment to a
school, but his actions suggest that he's still shopping for another offer, the
school is under no obligation to continue to hold a scholarship for a recruit
who obviously isn't fully committed.
I don't hate BYU , never have, in fact my wife played volleyball down there.
It's the bigotry and double speak of SOME of the fans that I find frustrating.I
have always said that competition with the Y brings better attention to both
schools but it's shenanigans like the Jumbotron taunt that puts a black eye on
the institution and brings out the best of my pen. I am a card carrying member
so I contribute to the athletic department as well....I suppose. Back down a bit
boys, the posters here on both sides tend to generalize and we never will see
the world through the other persons eyes. Go Utes.. I hope tomorrows class
is just that..get the best athlete and then let the coaches do their work
That was a pretty nice 180, Hailstorm. It's the microscope that's constantly on
anything BYU and those hypersensitive to anything seemingly hypocritical that
gets old real fast. Take your example of the Jumbotron: some dumb
kid at the controls does something completely idiotic and the school still takes
a ribbing for it. But yet when similar things happen elsewhere, it's quickly
forgotten.Another example is how Max Hall will forever live in
infamy for stating his true feelings for the rivalry yet similar things said by
the likes of Stevenson Sylvester or Morgan Scalley are quickly laughed off and
"Hailstorm" It's the bigotry and double speak of SOME of the fans that
I find frustrating."You were calling out Bronco not the fans
and questioning in his recruiting tactics then you talk about Kyle walking on
water. Whether you want to admit it or not you do have an ax to grind. I'm a
"member" but I've never received a "card" to carry. Don't
"suppose" that any of your "contribution" goes to BYU
football. It pays for itself. Maybe you should think about "backing it down
yourself" since you seem to be spewing most of the dung........ Pot meet
Also, Hailstorm, care to comment on your own contradiction, by stating in the
same post:"It isnt unusual for BYU and Utah to sign one or two
more players than the amount of scholarships each school has set aside" and "I have never seen over recruiting by the staff at
Utah."So which is it?
You can't over recruit but you can over sign. I should have said that Coach
Whittingham has not over signed or given a scholarship offer above his NCAA
quota. He tends to leave a few so he has some in reserve for the walk on who
earns it. Koa Misi comes to mind as a walk on kicker yet ended his career as a
So coach Whit has never gone over his NCAA quota, but Bronco has? And you base
this on the one kid that reneged on his verbal by visiting another institution?
Don't you see you're grasping here?
Dick, you are a great writer. However, I think you got some facts wrong on this
article. You seem to imply that USC is leading kids on by recruiting as though
it has 25 scholarships when it only has 15. This is incorrect from everything I
know about USC's sanctions. Because the appeal with the NCAA is pending, USC can
sign up to 25 students this year, but if it is unsuccessful on its appeal, then
it will have to make up the loss of 10 scholarships per year in future years.
Meaning that next year USC will be limited to 15 scholarships. Obviously Ryan
Henderson will have his scholarship this year, even though you imply that it
could be taken from him if the appeal is unsuccessful. I believe that you are
incorrect. Otherwise I agree with your article that oversigning is a
problem, especially in the SEC. I think I read a report which has shown that
schools that do oversign generally are more successful than others. I thought
the report showed Alabama and Auburn as the worst violators of oversigning, and
we know their success. Unfortunately, I don't know the name of the report.
I said back down a bit boys. Let's just wait and save the testosterone until
Classic antagonizer, throw out the baseless, inflammatory comments and then tell
everyone else to calm down.
Ida Coug, you are the one spewing DUNG here, and Duckhunter, I am SOOOOO glad
that you went to highschool with Whit. I bet that makes you 2 the best of
friends, and if you were to call him up and ask him about his recruiting
practices, he would tell you everything about them. In Whit's 6 years on the
job, going into his 7th year, not ONCE has he over recruited with his limit of
scholarships. This year will be no different. Also, to the moron who wrote about
USC sanctions and how many players they can recruit, you are WRONG. They
absolutely CANNOT recruit more than 15 players this year unless their appeal
goes through. If their appeal is denied, they have to get rid of some players.
If that is a player who is a senior or one of their new recruits, they can only
have 75 on their roster for this year. I guess we will see how this class plays
out, as for now though, the UTES have the edge in talent.
Welcome to Utah: home of thin-skinned fans who can't stand NOT taking offense at
any possible affront, however slight, to their preferred team.
Hailstorm must live is some sort of alternate universe if he really believes
that Kyle leaves a bunch of unused scholarships sitting around waiting for a
gifted walkon to claim one.Utah never over commits? Utah never
promises more scholarships than they have available? Utah never wastes
scholarships?Tell me, Hailstorm, how is Kyle so clairvoyant that he
knows exactly which players will choose Utah tomorrow and which will change
their minds and go elsewhere?
Papasmurfute You are wrong! SC is stockpiling this year due to the
reduce in scholarships over the next few years. Stick to utah football.