He'd be a lot more valuable to our nation doing what he's doing and I don't
think he has a snoball's chance of winning.
Conservative Utahns beware: Jon Huntsman is a RINO in the most extreme form.Quit looking at what he says and look at what he's done.Conservative? Hardly....
While I like Huntsman, he and Mitt will get stonewalled in the evangelical
heavy South. Look at Roney's dismal numbers, he even got worked over by a
McCain Huckabee voter alliance in many of those states.Add the Tea
party's ridiculous needs for an ideological pure candidate, neither Huntsman nor
Romney can make it.If Huntsman and Mitt are RINO and that means
intellectual, thinking, common sense people then yes, they are. They are not
the close minded anti intellectuals real Republicans are.
Please, Please let this mean he's coming back to challenge for Orrin Hatch's
senate seat. I can't take another Mike Lee/Jason Chaffetz representing Utah for
the next 6 years. Come back, defeat Hatch for the Senate seat, than
make your Presidential run in 2016.
The Southern evangelicals will never vote for a Mormon (especially if Huckabee
is running) and the hardcore conservative/Tea Partiers will never forgive him
for taking a job in the Obama administration. Really, what's the point? I
agree with williary; his best bet is going to be running for the Senate next
year and waiting until 2016 to go for the Presidency.
i think huntsman is jumping into the wrong fire .. he needs to make a name for
himself first .. he needs to be a senator for a term or two and then try the
president's seat .. huntsman at best will displace romney and neither will get
anywhere in DC march to president .. romney won NH straw poll 51% huntsman
didnt even place .. romney has paid his dues and just might get a real crack at
the presidental election .. huntsman with his money can run but wont get
anywhere .. the GOP machine doesnt know him best and romney has a real chance of
getting somewhere 2012 huntsman needs to oust hatch be a senator for a term or
two and then go after the white house .. what huntsman is doing is just
showing everybody he has a ton of money and can make political noise for awhile
... therefore please mr huntsman be utah's next senator (ousting hatch and you
will by a landslide) and then see how the white house looks then thank you
I'd take John Huntsman over Sarah Palin any day.
We need Huntsman to stay in China where he can't do us any harm. When you look
up RINO in the dictionary, it's his picture you see. He was more interested in
changing light bulbs in state offices than anything else.
Wow. Everyone thinks I am a Republican 'hater' and yet... I like Huntsman. Just more examples that the Republican party is
SO devisive and SO destructive that it is tearing itself apart. My
example to support this? 'The Southern evangelicals will
never vote for a Mormon (especially if Huckabee is running) and the hardcore
conservative/Tea Partiers...' - 'KJB1 | 9:31 a.m. Jan. 31, 2011
Personally, I don't care a whit about you religion, until you claim that the
'devine' (in whatever form or name) dictates you ignore the will of the
people. If I claimed to hear voices, they'ed put me away.
If an inexperienced Senator from Illinois can become President of the United
States, why can't a former Governor/US Ambassador to China? Ambassador Huntsman
has as good a chance as anyone to pull it off.
Please stay in China.
I'm wondering how both he and Romney can fit into the Republican future, it
seems awfully crowded...
I don't think Huntsman's going for the Presidency. He knows he doesn't have a
chance of winning that, unless his intention is to run knowing that he'll lose,
and merely build name recognition. But that scenario seems unlikely. I think
he's shooting for the Senate. I think Hatch is out, no matter how many
"tweets" he sends and how "hip" he tries to make himself
appear. I think the senate's going to get another shake-up and Huntsman's poised
to slip in and take that spot. He's got a better shot than Chaffetz, but
regardless, I think Hatch is out like Bennett.
I can appreciate that some people don't think Huntsman is conservative enough,
so they call him a RINO, but instead of calling him names, I'd like to hear
something substantive as to why they don't like him.
Interesting development.It will be interesting to see how the
Republican primaries play out.
---Danish American | 9:39 a.m. Jan. 31, 2011 Payson, UTWe need
Huntsman to stay in China where he can't do us any harm. When you look up RINO
in the dictionary---Spoken like someone who doesn't even know the
work he has been putting into US China relations. Huntsman works on behalf of
ALL AMERICANS, even you. He has made more progress in cultivating a working
relationship than 8 years of the previous ambassador Randt whose only
qualification is that he was Bush's college roomate.---Pagan | 9:41
a.m. Jan. 31, 2011 Salt Lake City, UTPersonally, I don't care a whit
about you religion, until you claim that the 'devine' (in whatever form or name)
dictates you ignore the will of the people.---Pagan, you may not
care but many people do and the primary results from the South show it. Why do
you think Romney had to give his Religions Speech like Kennedy did? Because IT
MATTERS, it matters to many people unfortunately.
There are going to be some good people to pick from this time, my hopes is to
see Donald Trump run. But I do think it is funny that Huntsman is going to run,
I think Obama knew he could be a threat and wanted to divert him from the 2012
run for president.
The "big tent" in the Republican Party has been replaced by measures
and litmus tests of so-called conservatism. You call people RINOs and other
names. The prominent voices in the GOP are petty, petulant, and lacking
intellect. If Jon Huntsman runs as president or VP, it would be
exciting if he could actually lead the party out of its darkness. But as others
here have stated, the Tea Party, the wingnut delegates, and the evangelicals
will all conspire against him. The odds are seriously against him,
but he should run no matter what. At the very least, his voice will not be
petty, petulant, and lacking intellect.
I love Huntsman . . . in China. The best thing he did for Utah was leave.
Run in 2016 or for the Senate.I'm voting for Obama in 2012 and would vote for
Huntsman in 2016.Obama will lose again big in Utah but will win the election in
2012.It still will hard for a Mormon from Utah to win the election especially if
Mike Lee makes alot of bad noise.Remember coffee and Tea Party is bad for you.
Normally a "political appointee" ambassador only serves two years
given the need for the President to pass the Ambassadorship around to those who
helped fund his campaign.The fact that Huntsman is leaving is,
therefore, not all that surprising.
Huntsman was quoted in a 31 July 2010 DN article (quoting from Fortune
magazine)where he said, "I can't say I'm overly religious." While many
voters might not care about that one way or another, it might raise alarm bells
for active LDS and diminish enthusiasm for him among many active LDS voters.
Active LDS put a high premium on valiance and living up to covenants.
Jon... Hatch first... then run for President. Earn your chops first... Obama
has it clinched for 2012.
By the way, WHERE were you "FISCAL CONSERVATIVES" True Republicans
during the 8 years Bush was spending TRILLIONS on 2 wars without any focus and
feeding billions to his contractor cronies?Yet you have problems
with Huntsman who ran Utah pretty well under his watch? You ideological
conservatives need to put a rest to your look the other way until someone you
disagree with spend money on something you don't want then care about deficits
all of a sudden. get real.Huntsman is a forward thinker, he put
more money into education. Something that is quite apparent in it's low funding
that it produces so much ignorance.If he is a devout practicing
Mormon or not, I don't care but the fact is, he is considered a Mormon to
Voters. Anyone judging Huntsman's devotion to the church will have to answer
themselves to a higher power. It is NOT your place to judge another Mormon's
standing before the Holy One of Israel.
Dear KJB1: One should never say never. In 2008 that was the case
that evangelicals didn't support Mitt. Now, things have shifted somewhat.
Besides, evangelicals don't actually run the Republican Party. Also, Romney has
grown greatly in stature among evangelicals. It's true, Huckabee was mighty
nasty toward Mitt last time, but this is a new election cycle. Everyone in the
nation understands what a mess we are in financially and many will be willing to
give Mitt a chance because he is so much more qualified than anyone else to
handle economic issues. NEVER SAY NEVER!
BTW, ANyone Mormon reading this. I have it on good authority that Huntsman
focus on his own and the quality of family life of his State Department
employees has made a positive impression on Chinese Leaders. No, he is not
working on behalf of the LDS Church actively, but his perception of being LDS
may yet HELPING OPEN CHINA TO THE LDS CHURCH. So many so of you self righteous
fellow Mormons need to chill out and stop judging him. The Lord opened up this
opportunity for him to be the Ambassador to China being nominated by a
Democratic president even if he is as devout as you critically judge him to be
or not. This was not an accident, it is what the Lord intended.
JJJHS wrote: "Anyone judging Huntsman's devotion to the church will have to
answer themselves to a higher power. It is NOT your place to judge another
Mormon's standing before the Holy One of Israel."Voting is an
act requiring judgment. Assessing a candidate's character and integrity is a
part of selecting who to vote for. Waiting till the politician is before the
final judgment is not practical. We have to make the decision on election day.
The extent to which a man lives his religion speaks to character and is a valid
criterion upon which to base one's assessment of a candidate.
You know, I'd really much rather see Mike Leavitt run. He's much more likable
and just as qualified. However, I really don't think either one of them would
have much of a chance--at least not at this time. I still think
Mitt is the best shot for any LDS member to get elected.
Mitt Romney biggest passion is to be President.He will not be very happy if
Huntsman jumps in the race.The same type of supporters would hurt both of
them.Try in 2016.
So what does Huntsman do if he loses the presidency and doesn't have a job?
@ SSMDI can keep all my temple covenants and not be "over
religious". I can attend church weekly, keep my covenants and still
maintain balance in my life for all of the other things I must do.Some of the worst atrocities were done in the name of religion. Spanish
Inquisition, the Crusades and much of what is going on right now in the Middle
East are done in the name of religion.The Word of Wisdom teaches us
"moderation in all things" and that applies to more than what we
choose to ingest. In this case I think not being "overly
religious" is a good thing.
At this point, Huntsman is the ONLY Republican being mentioned for President in
2012 who is in any worthy or qualified for the job. If he runs, I will support
him and vote for him. He's what the country really needs.
Darrel,I hope Huntsman is not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ. His
statement is an indication that he might be unwilling of being convicted as a
Christian.Any Mormon keeping temple covenants, striving trying to keep the
commandments, and trying to love others as the Savior would etc., is religious
by any standard and "overly religious" compared to most people in the
Yikes! The republican party has swung so far to the right that they don't have
any room for reasonable conservatives like Huntsman. One of my friends,
Moderate Mike, confessed to me that Huntsman is the only republican that he has
ever voted for. If he ran, Huntsman, would be a very appealing candidate
for the presidency, but between the Christian Right, and the tea partiers, there
is no way he can get the nomination. His campaign may even act as a
"spoiler" to prevent Romney from getting any traction. Whatever
happens is going to be verrry fun to watch.
Jon Huntsman, Jr. is a RINO in a couple of areas: immigration and global
warmiing. If he moderates his position in these areas he could be a formidable
candidate. He simply has to say well build the wall first, enforce
the guest worker program, stop anchor babies, and require workers to return to
their home country and apply for citizenship like everyone else. And he should
say it is now clear that Cap and Trade is simply an income re-distribution
scheme. It will hurt the U.S., and I dont support it.I dont see both
he and Mitt Romney running for president, however.
I echo willary but I'm not a Utah resident. I'm only looking at the Presidential
picture and he may not be OB1 but he is our only hope. Finally someone I can
support without reservations.
Just what we don't need, another RINO.Huntsman, like Leavitt and
Romney, is very liberal both socially and fiscally. All three are much closer
to the mainstream of the Democrats than they are to the mainstream of the GOP.
I admire him and I believe by 2016 or 2020 he WILL be president; however, his
resume of having worked for presidents Reagan thru Obama (5 presidents) although
impressive, also should show he can't keep a job for more than 3 to 5 months
(average time with each appointment.)
@jjjhs said, "This was not an accident, it is what the Lord
intended."Really? You are claiming to know what the Lord
intended for Huntsman? The about as presumptuous of a statement as
I've ever read.I think you have a lot to learn about revelation and
how it works....
Sad but true the GOP will never tolerate a Mormon at the head of the Party. If
you think your tent is big enough for a Mormon Presidential candidate you are
sadly mistaken. The GOP will continue to toss Utah and Mormon
politicians scraps from the table of the Defense Budget to keep you voting in
ling but if you raise your head from the gopher hole be ready to be hitt with a
@BrentBotIf Huntsman DOESN'T want to build a wall across Mexico and
DOESN'T want to simply ship every illegal home w/o abandon, then I like him even
more. And yes, I'm a registered Republican. These ExtremeCons and
Tea Party-ers who have hijacked the GOP have me pretty fed up. This
"RINO" accusation garbage has to stop if we want any chance of us
winning the white house again.That's not to say we can't have a very
conservative candidate, but we all have to be realistic about the upside and
downside of ALL our candidates. Being an ideologue will get this party NOWHERE.
Heh, the guy won reelection with 77% of the vote and he's a RINO? Funny what a
couple years will do to change people's image. Huntsman is one of the best
leaders this nation has. Of course, he'll get destroyed in the Republican
primary, succeeding at nothing other than wrecking Romney's chances by taking
away business leader support, moderates, and potentially swinging several blue
state primaries (even if not to him then to someone else). I'd rather see
Huntsman replace Hatch.
"Sad but true the GOP will never tolerate a Mormon at the head of the
Party. If you think your tent is big enough for a Mormon Presidential candidate
you are sadly mistaken. "It is curiously amusing that the
people who never really have to worry about the mormon question are the
Democratic mormons like Harry Reid.Gallup poll Feb 2007willing
to vote for a mormon?liberals: 75%moderates: 77%conservatives:
66%Given that 8% of Mormons self-describe as liberal (different poll
came up with that) it's interesting that liberals are more willing to
potentially vote for a Mormon.Oh and as for this costing Romney the
primary, I'm not so sure about that...willingness to vote for a 72
year old (like mccain)liberal: 59%moderate: 52%conservative:
63% (this was the one category where conservatives were more willing to vote for
than liberals).But hey it could be worse...willingness to vote
for an atheistliberal: 67%moderate: 48%conservative: 29%
Would that be on the Republican or Democrat ticket?
Here is one active LDS guy who is glad Jon Huntsman is not "overly
religious." Most of the "overly religious" types wind up leaving
the church because they think they know better than everybody else. I'm happy
that Huntsman isn't in the same catergory as polygamous cult leaders and Brian
"It is curiously amusing that the people who never really have to worry
about the mormon question are the Democratic mormons like Harry Reid."I wouldn't go that far. While not to the extent as Republican Mormons,
Democrat Mormons most definately do have to worry about the mormon question. The
data you posted prove this.
I don't think Huntsman is talented enough to run an effective presidential
campaign. He is a mediocre intellect and a moderate/liberal in a party that is
trending even more conservative. He reminds me of Charlie Crist. Conservative,
orthodox Mormons worked hard for Romney. I don't see a great groundswell of
support from liberal, active Mormons for a man who says he is not particularly
religious. Finally, there are very few active, liberal Mormons and fewer still
in the Republican Party. My first reaction to this article was to LOL.
I have to conter the claim "The southern Evangelicals will never vote for a
Mormon". It is a claim that is clearly false. In 2004 the Republican
voters of Oklahoma, a group that is donimated by "Southern
Evangelicals" nomiated Mormon Ernest Istook as their candidate for
governor. Southern Evangelicals can and do vote for Mormons.
Whether either Romney or Huntsman can get southern Evangelicals to vote for them
has a lot more to do with their policies than their religion.Due to
clearly being consistent on issues and not having baggage like having pushed
through health-care reform, Huntsman has a much better chance of winning than
Romney. Still, his moves towards supporting domestic partnerships give
pro-marriage people like me pause. True Huntsman has in general been a
consistent voice for preserving man/woman marriage, unlike Senator Reid who says
he supports it and then rips on those who make their actions fit his words, but
still Huntsman makes us paus and wonder. I will withhold judgement
until I get clear declarations from Huntsman on his views on immigration and
man/woman marriage. We need someone willing to have the Jus. Dep. defend DOMA.
Are Huntsman running for president and for Senate mutually exclusive? If he
does not do well in the first five states, he can focus on the senate and still
have time until the causcus meetings.
What will Huckabee do with two Mormons? Whose candidacy will he attack this time
He has been a good ambassador.He was a mediocre governor and dead
wrong on immigration and global warming. The Legislature kept the state running
well despite Huntsman, not following him.Another RINO with good hair
and a fat wallet, but not a conservative. We can do much better than that!
The Tea Party will never allow Huntsman to get off the ground. He is waisting
his time; stay in China and wait until the Tea Baggers fade away.
As a liberal/progressive, I really like Huntsman. I don't agree with all his
policies, but he shows diplomacy, and he doesn't get into the gutters like most
the GOP/Tea Party candidates. He's a Republican I could actually vote for.
Hopefully, there will be a day when a Teddy Roosevelt type Republican returns to
the GOP, but the GOP has become a wholly-owned subsidiary of the
Corporations/Lobbyists.Since he doesn't pass the purity test, he
will never win the GOP nomination (that and his religion is an issue with the
South). I like Huntsman better than Romney because he doesn't wait which way the
wind is blowing before he puts up the sails. I don't think he will sell his
soul to the corporations and far right think tanks like Romney, but I guess we
will see.Here's hoping Huntsman runs as an independent for Hatch's
seat (he would never survive the GOP caucus). Civility needs to return to
politics!The last thing we need is another Chaffetz or Lee. For
money, I can be angrier and more incoherent than those two. Elect me--I need
History tells us that two relatively unknowns from Illinois wre elected
President; the much maligned Abraham Lincoln and now the equally maligned Barack
Obama. While I doubt that history will applaud Obama as much as it had Lincoln,
both wll be remembered in several lights. Jon Huntsman, Jr. Is no dummy. Stop
predicting scenarios, folks. But, really, please do retire, Mr. Hatch.
Ambassador appointments usually go to the highest bidder-----I wonder how much
money Huntsman Sr. paid the DNC on Jr.'s behalf.
Re: Independent:I would take a gargle of squirrels and a drunken
Hobo over Palin. Neither Romney nor Huntsman stands a chance in
2012. As everybody has stated previously, Huntsman needs to serve a term or two
as a senator and then throw his hat in the ring, maybe 2016 but more
realistically 2020.Being the fire breathing liberal I am it's weird
for me to say this but I think Huntsman would do a good job as President.
Romney on the other hand.. Ahhhhh no thanks!
Here are 10 reasons why Huntsman will win any election in the state of Utah.1. Nice hair2. Nice teeth3. He's nice and polite4. He's
Mormon5. Did I mention the nice teeth?6. He's wealthy7. He
"looks presidential"8. His last name is not Hatch9. Voters
in Utah have a 36 year track record of voting for candidates that end up
dangerous to the freedom and prosperity of Utah10. He's RepublicanUtah voters, you disgust me.
Other than a huge ego and a bunch of daddy-dollars, can anyone tell me what
qualifies this punk to be the President of the United States?
Biggest RINO in the country next to Amnesty Bob Bennett. He has no chance of
winning the nomination. He is wrong on immigration, wrong on most conservative
issues and he is a part of the Obama administration. Need I say more?
Republicans would be crazy to nominate him, he is nothing but "hope and
change" lite dressed up like a Republican.
I just want to repeat (and edit) the comment by williary, 9:18 a.m. from Kearns,
UT:Please, Please let this mean he's coming back to challenge for
Orrin Hatch's senate seat... Come back, defeat Hatch for the Senate
seat, than make your Presidential run in 2016.
One more term for Hatch, who is a true conservative. Romney? No way he's a
waffler.Huntsman is a bit too liberal fot Utah but might make a fit
for President.The byword should be who can beat Obama.
No, we don't need Huntsman running for president. He'll only muddy the water,
because he'll probably run as a Republican (?), but he's not really one. We
need a TRUE Republican, with solid conservative principles. Huntsman is a
politician of convenience, not principle.
Man, I really hope what we see here is the wing fringes and not what the average
middle of the road American feels.And honestly I think he should
wear the badge "RINO" proudly. Anyone who is anything more than what
there party is more than in just name only has sold themselves out and abdicated
their thinking to someone else. No one should have a political party tell them
what to think, nor vote, all in the name of political purity.So if
Huntsman really is a RINO, well then more power to him. At least it shows he
thinks.I still don't think he is electable because it is the party
purist that control the primaries. He will never get passed them. He is way
Yes, because all we need to fix this nation is another RINO.Please,
just stay in China.
Jon Huntsman is a Republican in Name Only (RINO). No thanks. The word
"moderate" always mean liberal, and I reject anything remotely
liberal. I'm a staunch conservative (right-wing
"extremist"), and it is unfortunate so many "staunch"
conservative voters voted for Huntsman in 2008 re-election assumed just because
he is a Republican means he shares their values.I will vote for Ron
Paul over Huntsman or Romney in Republican presidential candidacy primary, as I
did in 2008. Paul, while not perfect, is a real conservative who abides strictly
by the U.S. Constitution. Google "My Plan for a Freedom President" to
read what Paul intends to do when he assumes Presidency. I have faith in him to
take back America by reducing government size and repealing bad laws.
I wish we had Governor Huntsman back in charge of Utah! He has good sense and
realizes that there are two sides to every story. Whatever happened to
moderation in all things? Joseph F. Smith: The saints should not
be unwise, but rather understand what the will of the Lord is, and practice
moderation in all things.Extremism is not a good thing. The GOP is
being dominated by some extremists right now. It's time to take back the GOP!
We have an amazing number of assumptions made in this thread with no support in
fact. A lot of people seem convinced that Huntsman is resigning to run for
president. He and his family have spent two years in China. Maybe he wants to
bring them back home. Or maybe he does want to run for the Senate. The worst though are those who say he is not a worthy member of his church
simply because he allegedly described himself as being "not overly
religious." Do we even know what he meant by that? In a
multi-cultural society (which is the current state of American society), a
person that pushes one form of Christianity to the detriment of other forms
(e.g., Mormonism over Catholicism, evangelical or main-line Protestantism), to
say nothing of non-Christian beliefs (there are a lot of Jews, Muslims, Hindus,
Buddhists and others in this country) is asking for trouble. But an
overly-religious person would be tempted to do just that. I think in that light,
Gordon B. Hinckley was NOT overly religious.
Outsider's view. Huntsman is very qualified for higher office at the federal
level. But he will never get elected. Frankly, I am disappointed in his
willingness to vacate the post in China at this time in our history. He has
unique qualifications for the job and could have helped steer America's course
through some very dangerous waters in China. The Chinese are probably thrilled
to get rid of him, which means a bad deal for us.Instead, he bails
out to run against his boss. Not a good touch. No. I cannot vote for him, or
Huntsman is a McCain Rino.....The worst kind of republican and will not beat
anyone including Sarah Palin Or Barry Soerteo
Let these men present their platform, and then we will decide. To speculate is
irresponsible because we have so few facts. Romney and Huntsman seem to have
admirable values and I am looking forward to this playing out.
I can't think of many others I would be more willing to support in a bid for
President. Here's a thought (or perhaps a dream?). I would love to
see Huntsman run as an Independent. It's a real possibility if he starts early
enough. He's a big enough name to be considered a "viable candidate,"
even without political party backing. And unlike the Perots and Naders of the
past, he will represent the true Centrist platform, not falling further to the
left of right of either of the primary parties.Political observers
have long recognized that in order to win a national election, it doesn't matter
how well you appeal to "conservatives" or "liberals." What
truly matters is who can best convince the rest of us, the vast plurality (and
perhaps even majority) of Americans whose viewpoints are somewhere
in-between.I also wish he would do this to help break the shell on
executive office being exclusive to partisans. I believe that all executive
political posts should be open to all who desire to run without having to wade
through the unnecessary and encumbering mud of primary elections.Here's hoping.
He's gonna win! He's a terrific leader! Go Huntsman! It's time to
"HUNT" the presidency!
In Utah, not overly religious could just mean hes not a Zoobie.
"Huntsman is a bit too liberal fot Utah but might make a fit for
President."Yeah he's so liberal that he won reelection with 77%
of the vote STATEWIDE. So tell me, if all of you folks blathering about
Huntsman being a "RINO" and not a "true" conservative, why
did you vote for him? This just proves to me that you vote for the party and not
the candidate--if you truly voted for the candidate instead of blindly voting
for the Republican party you would have voted third party or written in another
I think huntsman is good at being an ambassador and a lot of cabinet appointees
jump ship about half way through. Huntsman needs to get some experience in the
Senate or something besides being the governor. I would like to see someone with
some good fiscal experience. I'm not a Palin supporter but hope we can find some
one that can help this country get back on the track. I don't think Jon Jr. Or
mitt has a chance due to their religious beliefs because I don't think the
majority of the us probably wont vote for someone that is LDS.___
Many interesting comments. Not much for accuracy. Let me lead with my chin on
this one: Romney cannot win. He can't get through the primaries, and he cannot
win the general. Huntsman, same type of fellow, cannot win the primaries, and
he cannot win the general. So what are they doing? Oh, I don't know. Egos are
egos. Huntsman would make a fine senator from Utah or Idaho. Romney would make
a fine ceo of any company that was cold and ruthless.By the way, despite
tons of print and hours an dhours of broadcasting, the outside world, the world
outside Utah, does not consider Mormonism to be just another brand of
Christianity. They do not. They just don't.
Alright, let's be realistic.You know Mitt is making a run for
President in 2012. His religion is a major hurdle because people worry it will
influence his stance on many controversial issues (same-sex marriage, abortion,
tax-exempt status of Churches, separation of Church and State, support of
Israel, to name a few).These concerns boil down to one thing: people
do not trust the Mormon religion in such positions of power because they fear it
will be one step closer to the Taliban - a theocracy. LDS scriptures do support
the ambitions of LDS to take over the world, put all nations/governments under
their feet, and rule a thousand years in the name of Jesus.So
Huntsman faces the same obstacle. If he runs in 2012, then the fact that TWO
wealthy, prominent Mormons are running for POTUS only confirms fears that LDS
are trying to take over the government and the world.His running in
2016 after Romney runs in 2012 does nothing to diffuse this perception,
regardless how Romney's bid turns out.Both Huntsman and Romney
running for President only confirm's people's worst fears about Mormons.
I think it would be very embarrassing for Jon Huntsman to run for President with
his Father endorsing Mitt Romney if he does what he has done in the past. I
think Jon Huntsman is delusional and self-serving to think he would have any
serious chance of winning the nomination. He may have the money but he does not
have the backing of party leaders like Mitt has.
His campaign motto needs to be.... "Do you want a candidate who can win
the nomination, or one who can win the election?"As has been
stated, there are those in the Republican party who will not want him to be the
nominee, but he is actually the kind of centrist candidate who could win the
election.I hope the presence of more than one Mormon will make them
seem less of a threat, and the memory of how soundly McCain was defeated will
show that a staunch conservative cannot win in November.The tide of
public opinion is fickle, and can sometimes surprise. I could see a centrist
Republican like Huntsman catching a wave, and I think the anti-Mormon rhetoric
was used last election, and will be less of an issue next time around.I may be wrong, but I think he has some strength, without the history of flip
flopping that haunted Romney last time.
Is it just me, or do Republicans who are elected or appointed to office have a
difficult time serving out their term of office or appointment? Don't get me
wrong, I'm not saying they're quitters per se (except maybe Palin...)
To Vanka: LDS scriptures do not say the LDS are to rule the world. Where in
the world did such nonsense as you are spewing come from. It shows how you have
no knowledge of what a LDS is at all.Do they have the ability to
win? Many in this country are aware that Mitt was actually the best canidate to
run because of the financial status of this country. It won't be much better in
2 years so Obama who many think is a shoe in isn't. To many he will be a one
term president which I hope he is.There are many who will vote for
Romney or Huntsman because of their faith and their stance on abortion, same-sex
marriage, and others that you feel are wrong. We are tied to Israel both
financially and spiritually. I would rather have a person who tries to live
their religion than one like a Clinton or Obama.
Bill,Please read the following and tell me I am mistaken.Mormons will not let anyone look past religion! They wear their religion on
their sleeves. They consider it fundamental to who they are. Consequently, they
refuse to separate their religious views from anything else.Socially, to a Mormon, you are either a fellow member or a
"non-member" (also known as a potential investigator). Trying to be
friends with a Mormon is like trying to be friends with a MLM-er. They are
always trying to get you to "join".Politically, they
believe they are supposed to prepare the world for the coming of Jesus, when
their theocracy will rule for a thousand years, when "every knee shall bow
and every tongue confess that [the Mormon] Jesus is the Christ"
(Philippians 2:10-11; Mosiah 27:31; D&C 76:110; D&C 88:104).They aspire to "put an end to all nations" (D&C87:6) that Zion
(the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent (in Missouri);
that Christ will reign personally upon the earth.Romney and Huntsman
believe this stuff. It sounds like Taliban or Hezbollah to me.
To Vanka:Yes you are mistaken. What you are doing is taking things
out of context and placing them into something that just isn't true.We are told that we are to warn the world that is true. However, it is not
pushed down your throat. All you have to do is say no thank you and the
missionaries leave. There are many who are being prepared to hear the TRUE
GOSPEL. It is up to the membership to find them. Some will accept it and some
won't. I still have a lot of friends that I have not asked because I knew they
weren't ready. They still classify me as a friend and I them. Some have been
neighbors for over 20 years so again a false accusation.In the end
every knee will bow and every mouth confess Jesus is the Christ. Every
Christian denomination teaches this. Why single us out. Again a false
accusation.The Taliban and Hezbollah uses force to push their
message. We DO NOT. Again a false accusation.
I do have an appreciation for Huntsman, but in all honesty, I'd sure like to see
him see one of his elected positions through.
ouisc, Huntsman served over one whole term as governor of Utah, he was
re-elected to the position. On the other hand the position of
ambassador does not come with a given term. It is an at-will apointment, so
attacking someone for resigning the position makes no sense.
One comment regarding Huntsman's resignation. Many have suggested that he is a
quitter for resigning, even going so far as to compare him to Sarah Palin.First of all, here's a couple things to consider.1) The
position of Ambassador is not an elected position, it is an appointed position
by the President, or assigned by the Secretary of State, in the case of senior
career foreign service officers. There were no campaign promises made, no set
lengths of term.2) The "standard" term of service for most
Ambassadors is 2-3 years. There are exceptions, but again, there are no set
limits. Some Ambassadors serve for periods as short as one year.3)
Huntsman is giving at least three months of advanced warning to the President,
rather than resigning effective immediately. Chances are, the White House has
been aware of the possibility of his resignation for a few months now too.Just a few points to consider. I am a foreign service officer working in
an overseas embassy (in case anybody thinks I am pulling this out of thin air).
Bill,I know it may be asking too much, but can you please tell us
what those scriptures I quoted mean if not what I have interpreted them to
mean?It is easy for simple-minded people to retort: "You took
those out of context", but fail to give us the correct context.So here is your chance. Tell us what it means.Remember, the
Taliban and Hezbollah did not originally "force" anyone to comply with
their beliefs, either. Same for the National Socialist German Workers Party
(Nazi) in Germany.If you are a member of a group that wants to take
over the world, you don't go around telling everyone you are trying to take over
the world.But you do keep the belief alive in your "holy
scriptures". You accused me of not knowing what Mormonism is about. I
showed otherwise by quoting directly from your sacred scriptures. You have
failed repeatedly to support your weak comments.This is because I am
right about Mormons. I am not the only one who recognizes the imperialist
doctrines of the Mormons. That subtle but core imperialism is exactly what will
(must) keep a Mormon out of the Whitehouse.