You made some good points Dick...especially pointing out Crowton's folly...but
without really pointing out the key fact... of recruiting more non LDS athletes
than usual...which because of their off campus activities ended up getting them
and him in trouble. Those same problems would have basically been overlooked or
swept under the rug at other universities.Quite a significant number
of athletes across the board in all sports have come out of the military service
as well... so for other universities to point out the mature factor of LDS
missionaries is just sour grapes and besides if they are recruiting LDS
prospects they have the option to do the same thing. It's not, as you
mentioned, an exclusively Utah thing. They choose not to....but stll harp about
it anyway. The precedent was established long ago... so all their harping is
just hot air. The system works and Both Utah and BYU use it to their
advantage...and balances out in the long run.Scoobie
How many years has Bronco coached BYU? Does this mean that the 2011 team
will be the first that is entirely built out of his recruits? 2011 could
be the best year to really judge Bronco and how he will do going forward from
here. Recruiting strategy is a major driver of how a team does. Can
he (and his staff) identify players that will perform well in their coaching
schemes?It will be fun to watch 2011 for this and for the other
changes (independence, Utah in pac 12, TCU in big east, MWC with Boise St.)
Dick, I did not understand your "Amen." What are you saying, is it
that you agree with the gripers? As a church-going man, my understanding of Amen
is that you agree with what was said, so do you agree with the gripers? Clarity
would be appreciated. As for me, I am proud of the Y and have little respect
for those who do not acknowledge the importance of striving, though emperfectly,
to do as you profess to believe, putting it out there for everyone to scrutinize
and criticize. It is not the critic, but the man in the battle to whom the
respect and cheers must be directed. Props to the Cougars who project a
"style of our own."
We should be undefeated this year unless the refs blame us for things we don't
do just like every year.
These guys are part of what I love about BYU players. In today's athletic world
there are so many trouble makers, they are getting in trouble for drugs, and all
sorts of other crimes, as well as being jerks on the feild. The players that
come out of BYU and even while they are at BYU are great role models for younger
people or older for that matter. I know there are some strong return
missionary's athlete's at other schools also like Univarsity of Utah, Utah
State, University of Nevada, Boise State, even Hawaii. However when these
players that come out of BYU come out with traits I can normally be very proud
Settle down DRay. Dick's use of Amen in this instance is just to say that he is
glad the Cougars are done with the MWC and all it entails. I am looking forward
to all the games with storied programs the Cougars will be playing over the next
few years. This will be Bronco's 7th year as Head Coach. There could be a couple
that signed with Crowton but this will pretty much be all Bronco era recruits.
Dulan coming back will be a nice boost for this next year. Throw in the USC
transfers, and BYU is going to have a mean, mean defensive front. They are as
loaded at linebacker as they ever have been.Prepare to see some serious
hitting coming from the Cougar D. I can't wait.
wwookie: TCU doesn't join the Big East until 2012. They'll still be in the MWC
in 2011 and will play Boise State on the blue turf.
It is interesting when opposing teams complain about the age of BYU players. As
stated, a few teams do have a missionary or two on their rosters. But no coach
in the country would want to have the huge number of kids BYU has leave for two
years at the prime of their athleticism and do absolutely nothing except walk or
ride a bike. This aspect of BYU, along with the honor code, really makes BYU the
most difficult place to build and sustain a successful program in the country -
and yet BYU still manages to do it quite well.Personally, I am not
so eager to say Amen to the MWC. Independence is what we have so we are moving
forward with it but I am not so sure that the "exposure" of playing
Texas, Mississippi, OSU, and possibly TCU in one season will be worth the
pounding that will entail. It is easy to criticize Crowton's
recruiting. In hindsight we learned just how hard it is for an 18 year old
non-LDS kid to fit in at BYU. But Crowton was not wrong in trying to find
athletes in the dbackfield. We still need them.
Whoa DRay. HE is saying Amen to the complaints. Read and comprehend.If this system is so wonderful I would suggest to the other schools they hae
their players leave for 2 years and not do anything with sports and then come
back. They then should be able to have their national championships. LOL.A number of years back someone compared the average age of the teams BYU
played over the last few years and the average age as compared to BYU was within
a 1-3 months. If this system gives us such a great advantage then
we should be winning championships virtually every year. Some
people just want to complain because we are a religious insitution.
I really haven't heard all that much "griping" about this since the
mid eighties and I haven't heard anyone say much at all about the Utes use of
rm's and the Utes foes might have reason to do that in the glorious years of
Ute BCS dominance. People really aren't going to have much to say
about this until the older and more mature athletes start dominating and causing
foes to quake in their cleats. A seven win season doesn't do that. Sounds like a
bit of a persecution complex to me.
Having older players who are mature and have more life experience is an
When other Coaches whine about BYU's advantage with having RM's, they show utter
ignorance of the matter.Nobody is the same physically when they
return. It takes a year or more to even get close to your former shape.Many never get back to that top shape again.Whenever BYU plays by
the rules set forth, and achieve within that framework, somehow they have an
"unfair" advantage, but when they fail, nothing is said.Keep in mind, the missionary, peace corps, military service Rule, is available
to "All Schools", not just BYU.Every school has it's
advantages and disadvantages.Provo does not have San Diego's beaches
and great weather year round. But, they have 11,000 ft. mtn. peaks.Utah does not have 90k fans every week like USC, but they do have ???? BYU's Honor Code, like the Academies, is a big plus to some recruits and
their Parents, and a big negative to others.In other words you play
to any advantage you can. And guess what, It's all Fair.
Harmon is predictably spinning a weak recruiting class.
It is alot harder than people think to go on a mission and then come back and
try to get in shape to play FB or BB at the D 1 level. It is very hard and the
young men struggle with injuries and sometimes they lose their competitive
drive. A year or two latter maybe they get back to where they were before they
left and then being older and more mature may be an advantage but it's a maybe,
it's definitely not a sure thing.
2 years on a mission make a huge difference to the physiques of many lineman.
Utah had a safety come back as a 300lb offensive tackle. It does,
however, put a Burden on the skills positions, QB, RB and WR... (eg, Heaps, Unga
Howard S.Harmon spins a lot of things but it really doesn't matter.
You just learn to take him with a grain of salt. BYU will come out better for
all the adversity...it usually always does. All those stars don't really mean a
whole lot. Most of the big blue chippers never attain the same levels of
success in college as they had in High School. Conversely a significant amount
of those 1's and 2's who didn't fully blossom in High School seem to suddenly
have a major growing spurt in their development and suddenly become the higher
level players in college. Maturity is a significant aspect...but with that
maturity they still have to work even harder just to gain back what they lost
physically. It's real balancing act...but it works.
"Harmon is predictably spinning a weak recruiting class"Howard S.,I totally agree. If Dick had something, ANYTHING to crow
about in this class - the article would have been focused on that.Sorry but out of shape, balding RM's isn't going to save face on a disaster
recruiting year.Dick the real "story" is the realities on
recruiting caused by no conference affiliation. You're looking at it.
@ Howard SAs far as one who spins, twist, micro-hyper-extends and
manipulates what others say and do, I assure you, Howard S. that you and Ernest
and really most Ute fans and media are about as good at that, conversely to
Harmon, as any group of people I have ever read or heard.
re: jazzbball | 9:51 a.m. Jan. 30, 2011 "Prepare to see some
serious hitting coming from the Cougar D."You have to be able
to pursue & catch your opponents before you hit them; see the problem?
I wonder if the following was reversed in favor of BYU would this article even
be published? Not likely, more like "BYU Independent Results in Recruiting
Success". 2011 Utah Recruits According to Rivals:1.
Ryker Mathews OL (BYU)2. Harvey Langi RB (Utah)3. Isaac Asiata
OL (Utah)4. Nate Fakahafua WR (Utah)5. Travis Still WR (Utah)Not a good sign for going INDY. IF this year becomes the
new norm and BYU can't get the top Utah athletes then what? TCU and
Utah didn't have a problem with the "lack of exposure" preventing them
from playing on the national stage. So why only BYU?
I will predict that after broco is fired in a year or two for not being able to
compete with BCS programs radical changes will occur. The obsessive need for
"exposure" will create a new set of "rules" for their
athletic programs and very, very different then for the general student body.Anyone remember SMU of the '80's? It's germinating at the tds.
wedgie I predict after whittingham is fired in a couple of years for
consistently finishing in the bttom half of the pac10 that your presence on
these boards will have long since become non existent. Maybe you'd
like to take the bet I offered to pocy a couple of days ago?I doubt
it as you don't have the cajones for it plus you know I speak the truth.LOL
@Uteology, Howard s. Chris B Hedgehog etalLet's all meet back here
one year from now. I guarantee you, that Utah will be well on it's way to
obscurity. Joining Washington State and Colorado as the perpetual
bottomfeeders of your "Conference Affiliation" is your new reality.We've been trying to tell you guys, you can't ride the Coat-Tails of
your leagues brethren.Utah couldn't win Championships regularly in
any sport in the MWC, it will only be magnified in your new world.I
grew up going to Utah games. I remember Utah's obscurity. It's coming around
again.National Stage, Paleeze. Seen the Wazu Cougars lately? Welcome
to their World.Utah is already losing recruits to other Pac-10
schools. Once a kid visits Utah and then visits Oregon, Washington,
USC Stanford Arizona State, they'll know the difference between "Big
Time" and "Wannabees".Big Time programs don't only
win 3 outright Conference Championships in 53 years. Nor do they play in half
empty,(when losing), stadiums. BYU has more College Hall of Famers
(7) and Consensus All-Americans (16) than Utah ever will. Nearly all
never had 4or5 stars.....SoYourPointIs.........
What this article is really saying is that to some there are more important
things in life than football! May it ever be so at BYU! In the meantime, go
Cougars!Hedgehog, You can't even comprehend the heart and soul of a
BYU athelete, especially these returned missionaries! Its not really about
football, its about being an honorable human being instead of having the typical
"thug" mentality displayed by some classless Ute players during the
pregame of your bowlgame, which you lost.
@BlutoI grew up going to Utah games. I remember Utah's obscurity. It's
coming around again.-----------Yes and you're also a
tooth fairy and ride a Unicorn to work.You're stuck in the 80s WAC
years, please fast-forward to 2011...A) The last time BYU did
anything on the national stage... Chow was at BYU 14 years ago.B)
BYU had ONE more win in the WAC over Utah. The difference Utah had TWO
"Perfection" seasons.Here's why Utah will be fine in the
PAC-12:A) Utah has the better coach, according to Miami, Florida,
and Tennessee.B) Utah has the better talent, according to the
NFLC) Utah's class rankings have been steadily improving, according
to Rivals and ScoutsIf Utah is headed to obscurity then what is BYU
headed to, Division 2 football? Over the last three years:A) TCU
36-2 - Lost to #2 Utah and #5 BoiseB) Utah 33-6 - Lost to FIVE top
12 teams and #27 @NDC) BYU 28-11 - Lost to #108 Utah State, #50
Arizona, 7-6 FSU, @AFA, and 1-7 vs final ranked teams
hedgehog | 4:13 p.m. Jan. 30, 2011Ann Arbor, MII will predict that
after broco is fired in a year or two for not being able to compete with BCS
programs radical changes will occur. The obsessive need for "exposure"
will create a new set of "rules" for their athletic programs and very,
very different then for the general student body.Anyone remember SMU
of the '80's? It's germinating at the tds. ----------------------Biggest reach ever. We both know that is in no way true. And "broco"
will not be fired because he'll keep beating the utes consistently...
"You can't even comprehend the heart and soul of a BYU athelete"Max Hall, Danny Ainge ect...I think I comprehend the typical BYU
*athelet profile.Arrogance and saying your "honorable"
seem to intersect at the zoo.
@UteologyakaHedgehogDesperation with trivial facts suits you very
well.Once Utah finshes 6-6 or 7-5, it's over. Your little 6 year run
of relevance will be put to bed.ESPN, the Alpha Dog in Sports, is
paying BYU Millions (plural) of Dollars every year, to broadcast
"BYU's-Brand" in Football and Basketball.Utah is going to
a Conference, that thinks so highly of them, that they won't share full revenue
with them for 5 years, will be stuck on Fox Regional and will always be treated
as the weak link that they are.And after Texas following the BYU
model, the USC's and Stanfords et al, will never share fully. Watch the Big-12,
it's coming to the Pac-12The Pac-10 was after 6 teams with true
value. They jumped the gun on Colorado to push out Baylor, another religious
instituion and still hoped for the remaining five. Once the
guarantee to Colorado was a done deal and the big 12 merger blew up, they were
stuck with Utah as a throw in.Read the fans blogs and see what they
think of Utah joining their ranks. It ain't pretty.
RE: MountanmanI think the article is saying the opposite. There are
some BYU players who serve missions, but many in the 2010 recruiting class are
horrible examples of what LDS men should be and do. They are choosing to play
football over a mission. It's embarrassing. Did you read the prophet's message
in the last Ensign?
Re: dhsalum...will not be fired because he'll keep beating the utes
consistently...================Has beating the Utes become
BYU's new standard of success since Utah joined the PAC12?Oh, and
for the record Bronco is 3-3 against Utah. Hardly consistent beatings...
@howardNo beating utah isn't any sort of standard it is just a
pleasant regularity. Actually now it will be nothing more than a one week past
time with very little thought given to it other than that week. It will be kinda
like playing washington st. or colorado st.
The point I'm making howard s... is that Bronco will not be fired because he's
going to be winning games. and that hedgehog is delusional...
Re: Howard S.You asked for a scoreboard, and you shall receive
it:BYU 104 Utah 79
It's not Adam Hine, it's Adam Timo. I went to school with him. Amazing athlete.
Mr. Harmon, It would be nice - and likely inspirational - to list where these
RM's served their missions. Perhaps for a future article?
Looking at Scout national ranking on a player by his position the Cougars should
pick up some nice talent out of the state of Utah.Rank # Position
Name8 FB Manoa P29 TE Colby J30
MLB Austin H43 OT Rykers M67 DE
Baker P69 OT Ului L71 DT Moses K80
DT Kesni T96 QB Alex K189 DE
Corbin KWe needed a good FB and we are getting one.We always
need defense and we are getting some.We need good offensive linemen and we
are getting some great ones.Be happy with those who choose BYU. Cheer for
them and buy tickets to their games or watch them on ESPN. I know I will if I'm
alive and can see.
Utards lame comments are boring and beyond stupid.Lets see how Utah
fares in the Pac12. I know my Dawgs are looking forward to whupping U in
Seattle. U couldn't beat a single good team last year, so U better hope for a
better team or ... road kill.BYU will be just fine. They will be
better next year, and MUCH richer. And on National TV every week on channels
that can be seen. They might lose a couple, oh well. Their games will be
watched. And athletes will come. Once in a while they'll have a great year, and
the nation will know it.Utah will get on Fox regional a couple of