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Utah Utes football: Utes hire Tim Davis, Norm Chow still at UCLA — for now

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  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    Tim Davis will be a great fit!!!!!

    Go Utes!!!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Jan. 13, 2011 5:03 p.m.

    Well that half of the story turns out to be true...so one down and one to go.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 13, 2011 5:04 p.m.

    Sounds like an upgrade to me

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 5:30 p.m.

    Great pick up by Coach Whit. We truly have a great head football coach.

  • Blinghurst Syracuse, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    Good pick up.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:09 p.m.

    Note the parallels between Chow and Brett Favre. Both left the teams that they made their names with under unfavorable conditions. Both bounced around other places with varing degrees of success before tying in with their home boys most hated rival.

    In the end both will fail miserably with the hated rival and limp off to obscurity... Or Chow could turn the u down and maintain his sanity. You think you have a problem with Y fans now, just tie in with Wit and co! Don't walk all over your legacy! Stay in California.

  • delasalle Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2011 11:34 p.m.

    @Real Bass. Wow, with those kinds of analogies you should go into politics. While I don't disagree that Chow would be better served just retiring into the sunset, the comparison seems a stretch. Chow went to USC (after a year with Philip Rivers) and ended up turning around Carson Palmer's whole career. He then took Matt Leinart and made him a star as they won an NC Both Palmer and Leinart credit Chow for their success. Chow arguably had more success with USC than at BYU. If anything your analogy applies when Chow went back to UCLA after being at USC. Coming back to Utah where he originally went to school and lived most of his life is a little different from Favre going to the Vikings.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Jan. 14, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    Good hire by the Utes.

  • HatedU springville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 8:04 a.m.

    Sounds like chow is going to take his chances at unemployment rather than coach at the newest door mat of the pac 11-1/2. . . .wise choice. Not much talent left on the hill...

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    Most success in coaching is not only the coach's own ability but who he works for. Chow worked great with Lavell Edwards and Pete Carroll, not so great with Jeff Fisher (Titans) and Nuehisel (UCLA). Nuehisel wants to install a pistol offense and sent his offensive coaches to Nevada last summer to learn it first hand from Chris Ault. This must of come as a surprise to Chow who has always been a pro set type of coach. I think Nuehisel and Chow rubbed each other wrong but it is interesting that UCLA still signed Chow to a new contract extension just recently. Whittingham and Chow go way back to the days Kyle played and was a graduate assistant coach at BYU. As Humphrey Bogart said to Claude Reins in the movie "Casablanca", "I think this could be the beginning of a great relationship".

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 14, 2011 8:38 a.m.

    And the tds trolls are praying Chow doesn't end up at the U.

    Chow has forgot more about football than Doman knows about football.

    If BYU could afford Chow, they would have went after him.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Money is the main issue.

    Chow is the highest paid assistant coach in the country making $640,000 per year with incentives, guaranteed. If he quits UCLA he loses all of that.

    Utah's highest paid assistant makes about $140,000. Utah can't afford the $500,000 difference, so they'll have to wait until Norm is fired.

    UCLA wants a 49ers coach as their new OC, but they can't afford to keep Chow on as a position coach.

    It's a high stakes game of chicken with Chow and UCLA. Chows is not going to walk away from a $1 million ($500,000 for two years), so UCLA and Chow will have to come to some sort of compromise, or Norm will be staying at UCLA.

    How long can Utah afford to wait with recruiting season in high gear?

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:01 a.m.

    Instead of "Louie, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."

    Perhaps one of these other Casablanca quotes would fit better for the Chow situation:

    "Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, he walks into mine."

    "I stick my neck out for nobody."

    "Round up the usual suspects."

    "Here's looking at you, kid."

    or

    "We'll always have Provo."

  • HatedU springville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:07 a.m.

    hedge, it doesnt matter how much a jockey knows if he has a slow donkey under him. The talent on offense at the U is very average and chow knows this.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    I wish that the naysayers and false profits of the Y would look at their own program first. No DC , Doughman as OC and now no QB coach!
    LOI signing day is close by and a disassembled staff does not bode well for the next year. Maybe we'll hear the old excuse of it being a rebuilding year again , and again, and again. They have a great Basketball team , but the football team is in shambles. 16 recruit with verbal commits, 12 from Utah and 6 from Utah County. They are and not even listed in the top 50 for recruits this year. That alone should keep their coconuts busy without subjecting themselves to the criticism that they spread about the Utes, Coach Kyle, and staff on the hill.
    The blue bloods tell of all of the great money that they will earn by going independent, yet they can't afford to shell out a few clams for some newer , better, and seasoned coaches. What's with that ?
    Like with Bronco's interviews it's hard to figure which side of their mouth they are talking from.

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    USC won one BCS National Championship in 2004. In 2003 LSU was the BCS national champion.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    USC won the 2003 AP National Championship

  • Tarheel Ute Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    I'd be surprised to see Norm Chow coaching Wittingham's offense. I am not drinking the Kool-Aid of BYU offensive coaches past, as the refreshing relief for Utah's current inconsistent, unimaginative play and coaching.

    The Utes have always had a respectable and sometimes renowned defense. If Wittingham has a weakness, it springs from his greatest strength; his natural affinity for defense - and lets be fair, Wittinghams undefeated 2008 team was a defense oriented team. He does need a offensive coaching help.

    But is Chow the answer? While Chow whould certainly upgrade the offensive IQ on the coaching staff, I understand there is good reasons for his current situation - personality, inability to inspire or connect, inability to coach speed, stuck in the 70s football mentality, outdated offensive schemes.

    Regardless on your take on Chow, the Utes need immediate help on the offensive side of the ball, but I am not sure Chow is the end all to the Utes offensive woes. Not by a long shot. And while Chow is a interesting idea, Witthingham should not go backwards in time to solve the problems of the future.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    Look at hedgehog, calling out the trolls. Oh the irony...

    I'm not sure why Ute fans are getting so excited about hiring Chow. Is it because he once coached at the Y and this is a chance to stick it to their rival? Well then that figures. Utah is going to have to pay through the nose to get him to come, like 300% more than they've ever paid an assistant. It's risky, especially since Chow could be on his last legs as an OC, given his recent track record at UCLA.

    If so interested in former Y coaches, you coulda had Crowton before Maryland nabbed him. Actually woulda been a good hire. Gary is a great OC, just not so great a HC.

  • hedgelog Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 14, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    The problem with Chow may turn out to be just how much he has forgotten!

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 10:00 a.m.

    I agree that he will be a upgrade on the OC we have now. With Chow you get pro style offense. You get great experience. You get a proven recruiter. Utah needs someone to help take us in the PAC 12 conferance.If you have read any of my posts. I have said over and over again its not the QB its the offense philosophy. Go pro style not a lot of teams runing that kind of offense, and you will have a lot of QB's out there to choose from. Get it done already.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 10:04 a.m.

    TheHailstorm

    Your post was hillarious. Completely detached from reality, but hillarious.

    You'll see a different picture when BYU opens next season with four straight nationally televised games on ESPN.

    Utah fans will even be able to participate in one of those games, thanks to BYU.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    Interesting that Ute fans are dissing on Doman as a poor choice for OC. I seem to remember another former, successful BYU QB that is now a head coach of a Pac-10 school, who also started out in the coaching ranks as a QB coach, before becoming a successful OC. Who could that be that I'm talking about?

    Sark became the OC at USC in 2007, 11 years after finishing his career at BYU. Doman becomes the OC in 2011, 10 years later. Both were considered very cerebral QB's while in their playing days, that could read defenses with the best of them. That's the only reason why Doman was even able to hang in the NFL for parts of 4 seasons. I think BYU will be just fine.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Jan. 14, 2011 10:34 a.m.

    Swoop, it is about money, but not as bad as it would appear. Chow is being shown the door by Neuheisel, and part of his contract with UCLA is that he will be paid by UCLA the difference between the salary of his new job his UCLA salary. Utah could essentially pay him a dollar/year for the next 2 years, and UCLA would have to make up the rest. Obviously it isn't that simple, and he is probably negotiating a buyout, but, I'm convinced he will be here by Monday.

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    This continues the strong tradition of having great o-line coaches at Utah.

    Ron McBride, an o-line coach, started the long trek toward the BCS. He found and coached great players, like Jordan Gross, who have been devastating blockers.

    McBride brought the Whittinghams to the Utah. They teach and preach crushing people on defense with outstanding linebackers.

    McBride loved speed on offense and defense: Steve Smith, Kevin Dyson, Andre Dyson, etc.

    All of today's final preparations to move into the Pac-12 rest on the outstanding work of Ron McBride. Anybody remember 34-31?

  • utesovertide Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    Everyone is talking about having Norm Chow fill the OC position, but Utah really needs to fill the AC position, which Chow has also done. Why not have Chow as the AC help Roderick learn how to call and run an offense better, and be there as a reference for Brian Johnson as the QB Coach, which Norm has done as well?

    Truth is, Whit and Bronco don't like "meddling" with the offense, so in my view it is best to have a guy who can lead the other side of the ball without having to be directed by the HC. As an AC he could be the guy that "meddles" and theorizes on the offense, as well as be a great recruiter.

    Norm can do that and he's proven it before when he worked for coaches like LaVell and Carroll that allowed him to lead.

    If you put Chow as the AC, the U could justify paying upwards of $400k for an AC, since Whit makes over $1.2 mil as the HC.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 11:41 a.m.

    All these comments from Y fans are funny! If Chow was being considered for the Y job all the Y fans would be ranting and raving how fantastic it would be to have Chow. Go figure!

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 12:11 p.m.

    "All these comments from Y fans are funny! If Chow was being considered for the Y job all the Y fans would be ranting and raving how fantastic it would be to have Chow. Go figure! "

    Are you sure about that?

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Nice post Hailstorm

    @ Truth Machine

    So what you are saying is that byu faithful get the opportunity to watch the cougs go 1-4 on ESPN in HD?

    Priceless!

  • Ravenal Somewhere in, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 12:44 p.m.

    "All these comments from Y fans are funny! If Chow was being considered for the Y job all the Y fans would be ranting and raving how fantastic it would be to have Chow. Go figure! "

    I wouldn't be and I doubt most other cougar fans wouldn't be either. I was happy to see Chow leave when his ego became too big to fit into the stadium.

  • Ravenal Somewhere in, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 12:49 p.m.

    Oops. I need to correct. I meant to say I doubt most other cougar fans would be either.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Jan. 14, 2011 12:58 p.m.

    @ Swoop
    With all the BCS money flowing into the program, hiring Chow, and upgrading the pay for all the other assistants should be a no-brainier.

    Didn't we just read that the U accumulated over $500 million in fundraising recently? Speaking of fundraising, my daughter just sold 55 boxes of girl scout cookies.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 1:03 p.m.

    utahcountyute,

    Ah, so BYU is going to start 1-4 next season too? I sure hope for the sake of your fragile egos, that one win isn't against Utah!

    Wait a minute, yes I do!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    Typical fuzzy math from a Utah fan. Only four games were mentioned, therefore, the early record will be 4-0, including, of course, the first of annual beatdowns of Utah by Jake Heaps and company.

    It's a good thing Utah starts the season with Montana Girls Prep; it would be so embarrassing for the Utes to begin their illustrious PAC 12 era 0-4.

    On a positive note, at least the Utes will survive their September 24th date without a loss.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 1:59 p.m.

    Skippy;
    Not all Y fans would be on board if BYU were considering Chow. He was a great coach at the Y with Edwards and on the cutting edge of a new type of wide open offensive play in the NCAA but his time is past. He is now just another peddler of a very common product. If Utah can get good players then he could be successful. If they can't get the players they likely won't be successful. I like to see Utah win against every team but BYU. For Utah's sake I hope they find someone else. I think Norm chow is past his prime. Look at his teams records since he left BYU. If he does come to SLC, I hope he does well. He deserves it.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 14, 2011 2:37 p.m.

    The tds trolls need to wise up.

    I will assure you that Dr. Hill is looking at hiring Chow for just the short term ( 2-3 years).

    Why you ask?

    1)Chow holds more knowledge of PAC12 football than any current coach in america.
    2) Chow knows how to run a PAC/BCS championship offensive system
    3) Chow is a household name for every 5 star athlete in America

    I'd view him as a "consultant" if you will....a very expensive but worthwhile consultant.

    Now move along tds trolls, go talk about the obscure coach you just picked up from Navy.... but don't tune into ESPN for details... Unlike Chow, they don't cover irrelivant coaches.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 2:56 p.m.

    Skippy

    Did you take a poll, Skippy?

    NOT a single BYU fan I've talked would want Chow back at BYU.

    He was great for BYU while he was here and the vast majority of Cougar fans appreciate his great contributions to BYU football, but we're past that and it's time to build for the future.

    How many Oklahoma fans would want Barry Switzer back? How many Florida fans would want Steve Spurrier back?

    Times changes. BYU fans have moved on.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    Bringing in Norm Chow to mentor A-Rod and Brian Johnson for the future is a great move. It's really that simple.

    @Naked

    The difference between Sarkisian vs Doman is one gained coaching experience under a great coach/system while the other under did not.

    @Swoop
    Utah isn't having recruiting problems without Chow:

    1) Currently on Rivals #31 (TCU #27)
    2) Of the top 5 in state player, FOUR picked Utah

  • Ravenal Somewhere in, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    Interesting points there hedgehog. Good to see your still in touch with reality?

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:11 p.m.

    "How many Oklahoma fans would want Barry Switzer back? How many Florida fans would want Steve Spurrier back?"

    Truth machine,

    Until last month, how many ND fans wanted Holtz back? You see when you go 7-6 and lose to all Utah teams.... you think back to better days. As I said, most if not all tds fans would be doing cart wheels in Chow wanted to come back to Provo. Instead you got D'oh!man

    LOL

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    Norm - Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

  • Resident Salem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    @Hedgehog

    "As I said, most if not all tds fans would be doing cart wheels in Chow wanted to come back to Provo."

    You really shouldn't have left middle school. You could have learned so much!

    "tds".. haha.. Still brown nosing your sellout Meyer, huh? You do know what happens when you follow a person from behind that closely and they stop, right?

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    @ Uteology

    Don't you go confusing opinions for facts. Even though Carrol(HC)/Kiffen(OC) may have been great mentors for Sark, Bronco/Anae have been no slouches, going 56-21 during their time together with multiple top-25 finishes and offenses ranked consistently in the top-10.

    Anae needed to go, not because he was a failure but because the program needed a change. Doman is certainly capable of running the offense and his intangibles in recruiting make his appointment as OC a no-brainer.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:30 p.m.

    @ Uteology

    Don't you go confusing opinions for facts. Even though Carrol(HC)/Kiffen(OC) may have been great mentors for Sark, Bronco/Anae have been no slouches, going 56-21 during their time together with multiple top-25 finishes and offenses ranked consistently in the top-10.

    Anae needed to go, not because he was a failure but because the program needed a change. Doman is certainly capable of running the offense and his intangibles in recruiting make his appointment as OC a no-brainer.

  • Ravenal Somewhere in, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    No doubt, the same Y haters that are talking about what a great hire Chow would make for the U would be saying it was a stupid hire if he was going back to BYU.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 14, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    "Still brown nosing your sellout Meyer, huh?"

    Resident,

    well, I see your one of those "classy" ones. Typical.

    Yea, you'd be hard pressed to find a Utah fan you doesn't appriciate what Coach Meyer did for the school. We celebrate his achievments and rooted for him at Florida and will root for him in the future. You see, Utah fans are loyal and appreciative..even when "sellout" Meyer left for a better opportunity. TDS fans are not capable of such rational thought. If you leave Provo your a trader....I guess thats been taught since birth.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Jan. 14, 2011 4:23 p.m.

    Hedgehog calling other people "trolls" ... now if that's not hypocritical....

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    This is great!

    Chow isn't coming to Utah to be a long term OC. He's coming to probably mentor ARod and give hime some better ideas on play calling, and using the talents he has on offense. Chow is old at 65 but is still a great resource especially adjusting into the PAC12. Chow will be able to land some recruits that we may have missed on.

    As for Truth Machine, you read way to much into the ESPN deal. Yes BYU will be on ESPN the first 4 games, but it has a lot more to do with Texas, Ole Miss, Oregon St, and the big rivalry than byu itself! The rest of your WAC conference games will be on ESPN360.com.

    Sadly, you will play and win the WAC every year and not even get a trophy for it.

  • Naked Truth Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    Re: Th,

    Go ahead and try to diminish the ESPN deal all you want, the guarantees are there for exposure. Of course ESPN is not going to put BYU/Idaho State on the flagship, just like they wouldn't put Texas/Idaho State on it either. They want good matchups which has everything to do with BYU, like it does their opponents. What Utes won't aknowledge and what they try to bury in the sand is the fact that BYU will get much more $$ with their ESPN deal than with the mtn, along with much more exposure and the ability to broadcast games locally and on BYUtv when not on nationally. The kicker is they'll get more TV revenue than Utah, at least the first few years in the Pac-12.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Jan. 14, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    @Naked Truth

    Did you just seriously try compare Carrol/USC success with Bronco/BYU success as a mid-major?

    Fact: 56-21 but only 2 wins over ranked teams vs 2 wins in ONE year

    Fact: Doman's coaching abilities are not in demand anywhere besides Utah County vs Sarkisian went from USC to a head coach in Washington

    What exactly are Doman's "intangibles in recruiting"? Building a team of mostly Utah county players will only get you so far, like maybe Vegas.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Jan. 14, 2011 10:44 p.m.

    re: Naked Truth | 10:18 a.m. Jan. 14, 2011

    Sark also took a sure #1 overall pick and made him a mid 1st rounder at best.

    For the record, Norm could not do any worse with the U than the recently retired Dan Henning did with my favorite NFL team.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 14, 2011 11:20 p.m.

    "Until last month, how many ND fans wanted Holtz back?"

    huh?

    "You see when you go 7-6 and lose to all Utah teams.... you think back to better days."

    Sorry, you couldn't be further from the truth. BYU fans were very encouraged with the progress BYU made during a rebuilding and are already getting excited about the prospects for next season.

    "most if not all BYU fans would be doing cart wheels in Chow wanted to come back to Provo."

    The vast majority of BYU fans have absolutely no interest at all in having Norm Chow return to BYU.

    I'll bet you couldn't find 10 BYU fans who would be even the slightest bit excited about having Chow back.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 15, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    Floyd Ravens a Cornerback from LA took his final visit to the Utes on Friday.

    Ravens is a 4 star / 8th best CB in the nation/ 120 best player in the nation.

    Crossing my fingers! If the Utes can sign this kid he would be an automatic starter and the shut down CB they're looking for next year.

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Jan. 15, 2011 9:52 a.m.

    Thanks for the info Hedgehog.... Utah's recruiting has really jumped by leaps and bounds over the last few months. If Raven's is as good as you say, he can look at a great track record of Utah CB's (Sean Smith, Brice Mccain, Eric Weddle, and now Brandon Burton) and see he's got a great opportunity to showcase his talents in the Utah defensive system and make it to the next level.

    Naked Truth... Please don't try to compare yourself with Texas. Texas / Idaho St would be televised on ESPN because its Texas. ESPN will televise your games with Idaho St, NM State, Ut St, etc, etc, etc, on ESPN360.com the same thing they've done with Boise St. The difference is that they will allow for BYU to broadcast on BYU TV. Something the MTN wouldn't allow. This is great for BYU fans, but it won't mean anything for national exposure. Most football fans nationwide aren't going to be looking on direct tv for BYUTV.

    Dont get me wrong, the exposure will be better, but it won't compare to Utahs. Don't kid yourself!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Jan. 15, 2011 10:10 a.m.

    TH,

    I'm also crossing my fingers that Keith McGill doesn't get wooed by OSU... he visited on Friday...

    Come on Keith make the right choice!

    Go Utes!