I liked the relationship she was drawing between optimism and entitlement-based
thinking. It was interesting to think about the idea that entitlement-based
thinking comes from a lack of optimism about the future and that entitlements
may encourage pessimism, which creates a cycle.She also gave her
parents props for the way her life turned out. (Not programs, policies, etc.).
Somebody please tell me as a conservative, why are we spending so much of our
money, giving tons of resources and losing young American lives for a cause that
is even more worthless than Vietnam. I wish conservatives would not always
blindly agree with everything Hannit and Limbaugh say. I am conservative in so
many issues, but this war is for nothing. We do not even hear about it. I am
sick over these never ending wars. As someone who proudly is part of the John
Birch Society, I totally condemn our war in Afghanistan.
I too believe that the US should not be engaged in these wars for the purpose of
nation building. On the other hand, I see a legitimate US interest in protecting
ourselves from terrorist regimes, and Rice's linking the war in Afghanistan to
this interest is not entirely without merit. I think the answer is to find ways
to protect ourselves in our own country and to support democracy abroad through
less costly means than military action. I don't think it was an entirely bad
thing to oppose communist totalitarianism in Vietnam either, but as with
Afghanistan, I think there are other ways to protect ourselves from and oppose
evil regimes and their ideologies. One way is to not engage in commerce with the
regimes or their ideological partners, and this includes oil, especially since
we have plenty of our own right here in America. A little more isolationism and
protectionism is exactly what America needs at this point in history.
Are the people who protest Rice "Racist"? Or just those who protest
Why are people not drawing the conclusion that the huge expense of two wars over
a ten year period by both a Republican and a Democrat has bankrupted our nation?
As they say, we are a 'nation of sheep led by wolves.'
Interesting headline "..complete the job in Afghanistan.."I
agree that it would be more effective to promote peace and stability by building
schools and sustainable agriculture than remote control bombing. It is, perhaps,
ironic it was during Ms. Rice tenure as USSOS that Bin Laden made his escape
from Bora Bora. Mission Accomplished?
Who is protesting Rice?
The only useful question is: are we making more terrorists than we are
preventing by contuing our occupation of Afghanistan? I'm not qualified to
answer that question. I'd like to see the evidence.
'At BYU, Condoleezza Rice says U.S. must complete job in Afghanistan' - Title You mean the job in afghanistan, that factually started under the
administration you were a part of. That job. Don't get
me wrong, I'm sure Rice is a nice person. However, I continue to
hear the calls of 'finish the job'... that others started and failed
to finish themselves.
We will never bring the troops home! Sec. Rice knows that if you bring the
troops home, then you bring the war home. Fight the bad guys on their turf.
Unfortunately, US military lives will continue to be lost in this cause in
Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, to protect us here at home. We will never
retreat from liberating the captive around the world. We never came home from
Germany, Japan, or Korea. We have bases still in operation around the world.
Liberty will roll forth until it fills every corner of the earth.
"The United States has a job to help wounded states heal not just because
democracy is morally right, but also because it's practical for the health of a
global community" - Condaleezza Rice.Really?The
Republican position is that we must heal foreign nations, but healing American
citizens (i.e. health care) is NOT morally right, and is NOT practical for the
health of the our national community?What a twisted philosophy to
place the well being of foreign nationals above your own citizens.
@Pagan - Term limits caused them to not finish the job, not the people
involved.Interesting to see Rice speaking at BYU and yesterday the U
announcing the Tuesday's with Morrie guy as their commencement speaker. What a
disparity between the two institutions...
What a bunch of baloney! Her and the other Neo-Conservatives have no intention
of leaving Afghanistan! The continual Wars & Nation Building will go on
under the guise of War on Terror. We should be more concerned with protecting
Our Own Borders & Building Our own Nation! When will We as a people Awake to
Our Awful Situation???SUPPORT THE TROOPS. Bring them Home!!!
'@Pagan - Term limits caused them to not finish the job, not the people
involved.' - Johnny Triumph | 1:22 p.m. 9/11 happened in 2001. 7
months into George W. Bush's 1st presidency. The US invaded
Afghanistan on 10/07/2001. George W. Bush left office in
01/20/2009. That leaves almost 7 years to complete Afghanistan. And yet, the call continues to go out for Obama to finish it in 2. The claim of 'term limits' causing Bush not to finish Afghanistan is
false. At this point, he had more than TRIPLE the time for Obama to get us out
of Afghanistan. And failed to do so. Igualmente | 1:12
p.m. does bring up a good point. America has been in S. Korea since 1954. Rice's call too 'complete' the job in Afghanistan is only
grandstanding. As 1) History shows us we will not. and
2) She did not when she was part of the administration that factually started
The American dream is dead to only those who are in the industrial military
complex - Cheney, Bush, Rice ...Things will never be like they were post
WWII when the world was terrified that they too may get their civilians nuked by
another twisted administration. (Even Eisenhower, a Republican, condemned the
Truman administration for deliberately killing civilians in Nagasaki and
Hiroshima.The good ol' days of America are gone leaving the smartest or
most well-connected achieving the American dream. But if tax dollars were to be
spent on R&D for say, green industry ... who knows?
Moderate | 1:17 p.m. Jan. 13, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "The
United States has a job to help wounded states heal not just because democracy
is morally right, but also because it's practical for the health of a global
community" - Condaleezza Rice.Really? The Republican position
is that we must heal foreign nations, but healing American citizens (i.e. health
care) is NOT morally right, and is NOT practical for the health of the our
national community? What a twisted philosophy to place the well being of foreign
nationals above your own citizens"What a twisted line of
reasoning. Before we even begin to discuss the false premise of your argument,
what, exactly, is your point? BTW--is it morally right for anyone to be
homeless? Jobless? Hungry? (Fill in the blank)? Give me your list of 'moral
rights' and then, please,tell me how you propose to ensure that we all sh are
equally in your 'moral rights'.
I wish the DNEWS wouldn't publish little 4-paragraph snipbits of articles, then
go back and finish the whole two or three page story later in the day. The
headline and body of this article are totally misleading.Rice, while
she did mention Afghanistan briefly, did not go into an hour-long speech about
the merits of the war. That was not the purpose of her speech, and I wish that
all who were NOT in attendance today would refrain from commenting until they've
read a transcript of what she said.Dr. Rice focused mostly on being
optimistic in our goals and on working for a better, brighter America. As she
said, those things that once seemed like impossibilities now in retrospect,
seemed inevitable. To think that the USSR would fall and Obama would go to a
NATO summit in Latvia, and to think that a black girl from Birmingham could
become USSOS, they were impossibilities not too long ago. Progress is made from
dreaming big and working hard. Her message was to have hope, find your passion,
and go as far as you can go.Please don't tarnish her remarks with
pessimistic, hateful diatribe.
Gosh, how was Afghanistan "wounded"? And just how will we know that
the "job" there has been finished? So far, we've put Kabul under the
rule of some big-time thieves and done precious little for the rest of the
country. I propose a sticker for the president's shaving mirror:
"Afghanistan has NEVER been successfully occupied. They neither asked for,
nor especially desire democracy. We went there to route bad guys from some
caves, and they got away. When the Afghans want to change their country, they'll
tell the guy peddling new bombs to go home and call Coca Cola to come take his
place. And the country has no oil, either."
If Afghan troops entered the shores of the U.S. in a "peace keeping"
mission in order to make America a more stable and free "democracy", I
suppose I too could be compelled to consider hiding in caves and banding
together with so-called terrorists. Let me make it perfectly clear
that I do not condone any form of violence, foreign or domestic except in the
right to protect one's self in the pursuit of life, liberty and property. If we are truly rooting out terrorism against U.S. interests, we would
not only occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, we would have to maintain troops in
virtually every country in the world including Canada, the UK and Russia.
Britt was quoted in the last paragraph of the article as saying "someone
who is intelligent is leading".The problem is, Britt, Rice is
no longer leading and Obama and Hillary are!
LP Grad--it's not hateful or pessimistic to question the rhetoric of someone who
was part of a neo-con faction which lied to and mislead a frightened American
people into a misguided and illegal war. Dr. Rice is an intelligent person,
who's political game playing has helped to cripple our standing in the world
community. PS--Do you notice how I'm disagreeing with you without being hateful?
We have a President who expects that of us now.
Re: Sokol..Why are we fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq? Because there are
evil and designing forces on the earth that want to murder you and make you
convert to their religion so your wife and daughter will have to wear burkas. If
we don't stop them, they will succeed! God bless the USA and those men and women
who protect it!
@MajMarine:Steal from the "rich" and give it to the
"poor". How about those morals??I presume your solution
for the "homeless, jobless, and hungry" is to TAKE assets from those
INDIVIDUALS willing to WORK HARD and PUT THEIR NECKS ON THE LINE, and then GIVE
those ASSETS to those who are UNWILLING to do the same - do I have that about
right?? Set me straight.
Mountainman: that is such nonsense...Stop letting people scare you about the
boogieman aka Taliban. I have no personal gripe. We could send in 100 Green
Beret and 100 sharp shooting mountain men and have these twerps anihilated. I
believe we are in some messy quagmire for oil and for Haliburton. This is worse
than Vietnam. I think our politicians really do not care what the people
want... We need to be out of these dumb, pointless wars that hawkish
conservatives push on us.. I am a conservative, butbelieve a beer summit
is in order and cheaper.
Dear Sokol:Excuse me. What is bankrupting the country is the
plethora of liberal social programs hatched over the past 100 years, including
the income tax amendment to the Constitution. And the liberal dominated
Congress has exacerbated this issue since 2006, led by Pelosi, Reed and now
Obama for the past 2 years.Hopefully, the conservatives will take
control of the Senate and the White House in 2012 and get back to pro business
and private sector and downsize the government, including states and
communities, who have also run amuck.
@MajMarineWith all due respect, the one thing that I see that might
be a little twisted is your understanding of the limited powers of government.
The U.S. government is empowered to "PROVIDE for the common defense"
and "PROMOTE" (not provide) welfare.Please stop trying to
force me to pay for your college education, health bills, food, clothing,
housing, tickets to Disneyland or whatever else you feel is your entitlement by
virtue of being a U.S. citizen. I'm doing all I can just to take care of my own
family's needs.If you really need something from me, please ask. I
will do my best to accommodate you. But remember this. I'm not very good at
taking orders from strangers.
Ok Sokol, believe what you want! Other men and women will keep you safe.
Wow, we've gone from finishing the job in Afghanistan to a 100-year-old
socialist conspiracy theory. Way to keep things no point!
@Moderate"The United States has a job to help wounded states
heal not just because democracy is morally right, but also because it's
practical for the health of a global community" - Condaleezza Rice.You forgot the part where the top thing Republicans want to cut is
foreign aid. So apparently that means the only form of helping wounded states
heal is via invasions.
I'm guessing that over 90% of you respondents didn't go to the speech nor watch
it live on BYU TV. I did go the the Marriott Center and attend the speech live.
The whole jist of this speech was, to succeed in spite of your circumstances
and surroundings. She gave ample examples from her own life as well as her
parents and grandparents. Her message was to be optimistic, and that she'd
never play Carnegie Hall. One thing she said was that due to the
edumacation system, we are growing a generation of unemployable people who won't
have the skills to compete in the current and future markets and will have to
rely on the government. Not something we want.
It seems that we have missed one important point of Ms. Rice's presentation:
education and democracy are inseparable. Unfortunately, even our "educated
elite" are no longer able to think for themselves (conservative, liberal,
or any flavor in between).I feel very fortunate to have been raised
by parents who -- though not college educated -- felt it was important for their
children to seek higher education. I believe Ms. Rice is attempting to work
much good by raising the expectation that education become a greater priority.
You know, perhaps spending millions of dollars on star teachers instead of
useless, unproductive athletes. We have no problem shelling out thousands of
dollars for a football game, but complain bitterly when our child's teacher asks
for a box of kleenex. This issue is about saving our nation from
ignorance. It transcends political rhetoric and wars.
Let's finish the job! Get government out of Afganistan and education. It's just
I found Rice very impressive; I particularly liked her viewpoints on education.
However, I must question her party's commitment to education; it seems that the
GOP is currently more interested in national defense budgets than in education
budgets. She also mentioned the Bush administration's commitment to national
security, yet she neglected to mention that the Bush Administration totally
ignored one of the biggest global threats to security: climate change. Climate
change will displace more people and cause more social upheaval than any amount
of religious radicalism, yet the Bush Administration ignored the overwhelming
consensus on the issue and refused to take action to limit carbon emissions. One
thing that this article didn't mention, but which was included in this speech,
was Rice's advocacy of decreased financial regulations. This advocacy on her
part seemed absurd to me, as it was a lack of regulation of over-the-counter
derivatives/credit default swaps which caused the banking crisis. Yes, we should
not over-regulate, as this will stifle growth, but where no regulation has
previously been exercised there is an essential need for effective rules to
ensure financial security.
ashcroftgm,A couple questions:1. Can you find a period
of time when climate was not changing?2. Is the heat from the sun a
constant?3. Could you provide evidence of how carbon emissions
Sounds like she did what she always does, give a lot of lip service and double
talk. Rice is the last person to rely on any advice from, she couldn't even run
a day care center.What does imporved education mean? Spend more
money on wastes in education? Improved eduction is teaching educations, not job
training for business. It's time for eduction and business to part their ways so
eduction does become the primary objective of all schools and the teachers in
them. That is what teachers want to do, educate not job training.
'This issue is about saving our nation from ignorance. It transcends political
rhetoric and wars.' - metamoracoug | 9:42 p.m. If your children are
dead, how can they learn?
The best evidence of Condoleeza Rice's assertion that America's education system
is failing can be found just by reading the responses to her remarks here.
@Anonymous Infinity"get back to pro business and private
sector"I hate to interrupt your ranting but I'd like to note
that 3rd quarter corporate profits were at an all time high. If Obama is
anti-business... he's not doing a very good job of it.
...and everyones' bias came out. Sad state of our nation where there seems to
no longer be any common goals. What goals and aims there are unfortunately have
taken a partisan tilt to the extreme (thanks much to those who make millions
profiting from such divisiveness) where everybody blames everybody else for what
is wrong but never points the fingers back at themselves. Will mock, disdain,
and blame even if we have scant evidence to back it up. I think our forefathers
would be ashamed at what we have become. We have time to change from this path,
question is, will we?
Blah blah blah! We can have better education on half the money. We need leaders
who are frugal.
Pagan:Perhaps if we were better educators (parents especially) our
children would find better ways to solve disputes than killing one another.Worf:I agree that we can have better education on less
money. It starts at home. Instead of letting our children have unlimited
screen time, lets push them outside so they can discover the real world.
American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that children under 3 not have ANY
screen time -- zero. How many children in the US under the age of 3 meet that
What a wonderful speech by a wonderful woman! Luckily my children are being
educated at home where they get real history lessons. Where their elem. school
would be teaching about taking care of the environment and appreciating
diversity. Yes, we do learn those things too, but I'm glad that my 3rd grader
is learning about the revolutionary war and my 1st grader is learning about
classical Greece.And I love Rice comment about how the arts are also
important in education.But did not like the photo and feature of the
15 BYU students who protested this special guest. Case in point at where our
educational system has failed. They have no sense of history, are not
well-informed in current event and that so-called "peace" symbol is
offensive. It originally was the symbol of the upside-down crucifixion of the
Apostle Peter. I think it's a symbol of hate.
It is our fault for all the the problems we face. We elected them. If you want
good governemnt, elected someone NOT seeking office. Go to your meetings and
listen to people who don't really want to, but will serve when called on. Look
for people who have the ideals you think would make the best representative.
Then you will have good governemnt.