BYU will need to pay ESPN to show over half of these games.
Hm... Really not surprised by the games that have been scheduled. I knew we
could get some decent teams, but not really anything spectacular the first year
going independent. And UteMan, you do realize the money ESPN put down to make
an agreement with the Y right? People will still watch those games. HEAPS FOR
Thanks utes, for your relevant and insightful comments!! Now get outta here,
you're botherin' me...
Uteman,If we're boring you, please feel free to stop incessantly
trolling BYU articles....I think it's a pretty decent schedule --
especially when you consider how quickly Holmoe was able to put it together. As
for Hawaii, I just figured we stopped playing them because those games would end
at 2 am MST.The dorm kids were gettin' cranky in Church the next day.
Typical for a BYU article to be commented on by the typical utes who always show
up like clockwork. You do realize UteMan, that this is the first year of
independence; not a bad schedule at all considering the situation and the time
frame for putting a schedule together, and still more impressive than anything I
have ever seen the u of u play. In the future, BYU will be playing great teams
from all areas of the country and utah will be playing a stoogy and boring pac
Sorry, not impressed. if they had other teams wanting to play and we ended up
filling out the schedule with ISU? As Shania Twain once sang, "that don't
impress me much".
What year does BYU leave the WAC and go independent?
*WARNING* *WARNING* *WARNING*Troll Alert!Analysis:
Harmless little ankle-biters.Carry on!We could have
sworn our little brothers on the hill were putting the MWC and BYU in their
rearview mirror, and yet, here they are ragging on BYU's schedule for next year
when Utah supposedly will only be focused on the PAC 12.*Sniff*It's nice to see our little brothers still care about us.See
you September 17th Utes.We'll see how irrelevant U think the Cougars
I'm not trying to push your buttons, BYU fans (I confess that I do it sometimes
for entertainment, but not this time), but how can you say "that looks like
a pretty decent schedule" with a straight face?I know that the
future BYU schedules will look much different than the 2011 version. The
Cougars had to put next year's schedule together after almost everyone else's
schedules were already finalized. BYU was lucky that the WAC teams still had
open dates.Playing one or two cupcakes when you have a challenging
schedule seems to be the standard. But calling a schedule that includes Utah
State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, and Idaho State "decent" will
draw a laugh from any but the most faithful BYU fan.Why isn't your
response, "Well, it's the best that Holmoe could do on short notice. The
schedule will be better in 2012 and beyond."Good luck in
I'm not gonna lie, Ole Miss, Oregon State, Utah, and Texas at the beginning is
pretty impressive.I wish I could say Utah would have a much tougher
schedule, but we're avoiding Standford and Oregon in our first year...so we
can't really talk.
This is a great schedule!And having Idaho St is little different
then Florida or Aurburn scheduling Div IIA teams. We play against three very
visable conferences, on ESPN with numerous Thursday games for the entire nation
to see. And unlike Boise St, which would only play against maybe 1 or 2 big
conference teams, we have 5. If (great big IF) BYU went undefeated
they would have a much bigger claim to a BCS game then Boise St. Then throw in
2012 BYU begins playing Norte Dame, which has a massive following and cult
support. Cult as in national appeal for the sake of loving the team, regardless
of how inconsistent they have been. BYU made a great decision with plenty of
upside. And they continue to play Utah and Utah St. And dare I say,
no more Mountain TV!!! Swap that for ESPN. Now I don't have to go to the local
Hooters to watch the game. The irony of that! hahaThis is going to
be a fun year.
Yeah, that schedule isn't too impressive, but not so bad considering that it's
our first year of independence. It would be nice to dump two of those cupcakes
and add some legitimate teams to make a balanced schedule.
BYU will probably thrash USU at home next season. That's just reality. I love
my Aggies but they just can't seem to get football right after so many seasons.
BYU's independent schedule looks better than this last season's, but
really isn't anything too fancy. Utes will probably do okay in their first
season in the PAC-12. Good luck BYU and Utah on your upcoming seasons.
Also, Ute fans, I hope you realize that all the broadcast money also stays right
at home with the Cougars instead of spreading the wealth to teams like Wyoming
and New Mexico.I haven't seen figures, but even with the BCS payout
and broadcast money being split 12 ways, I'll bet BYU's income is still quite
comparable. I guess we'll see though.
Independence = Big MistakeSchedule = Weak sauce.
Considering that this schedule was put together in about 5 months it is not that
bad. it will be a good schedule for BYU they should get 9-10 wins on this one
easy. the hardest games will probably be Utah and Hawaii but we will see if OSU,
Texax, and Ole Miss can rebound from poor seasons this year. this should be fun
I detect some jealousy raining down from the utes.. they still wish they had the
fan base that would make independence possible for them. They know they will be
lost in the lower tier of the pac12 for the next decade while BYU gains national
attention even when playing a schedule that was put together in a real hurry.I'm excited to see this schedule and can't wait to get my season
nice to have 7 home games but with utah being the best one doesn't get me very
Looks like all of their tough games except Utah are on the road - not exactly a
recipe for success BYU's first year as an independent.I suppose you
take what you can get, however. Let's hope these "young players"
become road warriors real quick...
The Cougars have lots of areas to shore up and could begin the year with several
losses.I am really a BYU hoops fan and not much interested in
football anymore . . . but hope that the Cougars eventually affiliate with a
It's pretty sad when I'm more excited about the women's volleyball schedule than
I am about the 2011 football schedule...
I admit the home schedule is a little thin but overall not bad for a quick turn
to put things together in the first year of independence. The line up for years
to come is playing out quite well.BYU being independent will be much
like their basketball game last night in Glens Falls, NY. A relatively unknown
area, great exposure for the Church, and a win.It is interesting
when this all happens because it isn't about the money, and as a bonus you get
the money anyway. The Ute envy is oozing out of some of the trolls.
It's got to be a sad day for Ute fans when Witt goes to Florida, and without
Utah getting any money at all (that's ZERO dollars) in their first year in the
PAC 12, and Chris Hill won't have the pocket change to bring in a good coach.Going from BSC national champions, rated #5, 2nd place MWC finish
(almost a 4th place MWC finish), Las Vegas Bowl looser, to a PAC 12 cellar
dweller, has got to be tough on a Ute fan.You can hear the whistle
of that falling rock?
Seems like a good schedule, but what happens when Bronco is on all the short
lists for coaching openings. Florida, Miami, Pitt, etc have to be falling all
over themselves to hire Bronco.
the schedule clearly shows the challenges BYU is going to have as an
independent: early season games can be terrific, but it will be hard to find
quality teams to play late in the season.
Actually this isn't a first the Cougars hosted 7 home games in 1996:Texas A&M (Pigskin Classic)Arkansas StateNew MexicoSMUUNLVUTEPRice
BYU needed ESPN's help to schedule a one and done on the road with Ole Miss?Good thing that ESPN connection helped out, otherwise Idaho State might
have been a one and done on the road.As it turns our BYU didn't have
to join the WAC to play a WAC schedule.Isn't independence great.btw, Utah has a perpetual home and home schedule with USC, Oregon, and
Stanford and they didn't even need ESPN's help.
RE: cvguyCertainly the day will come that Bronco leaves for another
opportunity or hangs it up altogether. This is something every team and fan has
to enjoy as part of the game.When that day comes the fans will have
to suck it up and take it like a men and women. Until then we get enjoy the
fruits of their labors and hopefully the progression of any team will keep them
competitive for a "new" coach to succeed.I don't know of
any red blooded American that plans to or can work for the rest of their life.
It wouldn't surprise me to see Bronco break out the surf board in a few years
and spend most of his time on the beach. Good on him!
"For some reason, [Hawaii] was taken off the schedule." Easy to forget
the we will never play Hawaii again quotes from the previous athletic
administration (terrible field our players always get hurt...). Glad the series
was picked up, 2001 was a sensational game.Overall a good job. I
would have preferred to see a home game prior to Ole Miss. ISU would have been a
great season opener. They still have the 13th game available....Live
Hard may have studied it more than I did, but it looks like 10 Saturday games
and 2 home Friday games (including Utah State on Conference weekend).Well done. Not the SOS we want long term, but not bad for 5 months notice.
@ Howard S.Do you have a fetish with BYU stories and comment boards?
You and all the other Ute fans that troll here. Good for you, Utah
is playing it's Pac-12 schedule with no help from ESPN. They'll also get
coverage on what? Fox Regional Network? Last I checked, you have to pay extra to
get that anywhere outside of the region. So you may see and follow, but nobody
east of Colorado will, nor will they care. Does anybody care or hear about
Washington St? I don't think so... Welcome to football irrelevance with your new
conference rivals.BYU had help in it's first year from a
"national" ESPN. A one and done with Ole' Miss isn't so bad given such
short notice. Continue being a troll, it accentuates what means to
be a Ute fan. On the other hand, I never visit Ute stories, because I don't
Having utah on our schedule will only diminish our strength of schedule.
Ute fan here. Brilliant schedule. Say what you will ... there are some shrewd
business men running the program. They developed the right ingredients and luck
and they fill their stadium 7 times so more money baby. Ole Miss, Texas and
Oregon state and Utah are big money games and will get national attention...the
rest are respectable and in an area to attract fans.
re: HowardIf you have a home and home every year with Oregon and Stanford
where are they on your schedule? Oh wait they aren't so that's a lie.Here's a few points that stick out to me.1. The road schedule is
much tougher and earlier than the home schedule. Utah is the only interesting
home game. It's great to see the Cougars playing Ole Miss, Texas, Oregon State
but it will be much more exciting for fans in Utah when they get some of those
teams at home.2. The WAC games aren't exactly marquee match ups but
with the WAC's problems they had teams available during what would normally be
teams conference schedules. They weren't other teams available for next year.3. Lots of people said BYU would be playing during the week but there
are two games on Friday and the rest on Saturday. As mentioned on BYUtv both
games on Friday are because of conference.4. No more mtn!!!5. They really are playing all over the country including Hawaii.6. Props for not throwing another FCS team in just to have 8 home games.
Always funny to see the the pillow biters(utes) out in full force. Sometimes
when I lay in bed I wonder if Max Hall was wrong. But then I wake up and and am
quickly reminded he was dead on.
Hopefully Hawaii has upgraded their field since last time.
Lets face it BYU fans, you have nothing to brag about. You won a championship 26
years ago against a 6-6 team that wasn't even ranked and you guys still act like
your program is a powerhouse. A powerhouse doesn't play 5 teams from
You guys don't get it, do you?What YOU think of the schedule matters
much less than what the FACTS say about it. Since many of you don't care to do
the research, let me do it for you.This information comes from
Sagarin's NCAA Football Ratings, published on 4 December.BYU's 2010
football schedule (the number reflects the ranking):004 TCU018
Nevada019 FSU021 Utah038 Air Force042 Washington045 SDSU109 Wyoming110 USU127 UNLV128 CSU168
UNMBYU's 2011 schedule:021 Utah031 Oregon State032 Hawaii049 Central Florida053 Texas081 Mississippi083 Idaho084 LA Tech110 USU155 San Jose State161 New
Mexico State214 Idaho StateI expect Texas and Mississippi to
be better next year than they were this year, but ACCORDING TO THE MOST CURRENT
INFORMATION, next year's Cougar football schedule is noticably less challenging
than the schedule they just played.Oh, and UteFan24, the same data
says that next year's Utah schedule is SIGNIFICANTLY more challenging than the
ones Utah and BYU just completed.Sorry fans, not just my opinion.
That's what the numbers say...
@Obsessed Ute Trolls.1-BYU will be on National TV every week! Utah? Maybe Fox regional? If at all.Try selling that to
Recruits!2-As of now, 5 BYU games are already scheduled for ESPN.
With more to come.3-The rest will also be on National BYU-TV, with
same day replays. Parents of Student Athletes from all over the
Nation, will dig that.Utah's TV revenue will be less than BYU's!You are NOT a Full Partner with the Pac-12....For 5 years! And only "If", the next TV deal exceeds 170 million
dollars.In fact, Utah, you are a Mid-Major in your own Conference.
Even Colorado got a more favorable arrangement than did the Utes.Utah....Your Best years henceforth? Maybe 7-5 or 6-6. Whittingham is being courted by Miami and Florida. If he leaves, then what?
The UofU Paper Tiger is about to be shredded.Utah Football is soon
to be lost to Oblivion, relegated the land of Washington State and Utah
Basketball. Seriously Utes, get out your Haughty Barbs now, for a
year from now, we will all be, quite frankly, Embarassed For You.
A very mediocre home schedule, but we all knew that 2011 was going to be a
patched-together schedule the first season of independence.Still a
chance to watch the Cougars pummel the Utes, and get a little payback against
the Aggies, will be fun. UCF, champion of C-USA, is also a good team. The other
four home games are the equivalent of playing Wyoming, New Mexico, UNLV and
Colorado State at home, so not that much of a dropoff from the MWC. 2012 and beyond will be MUCH better.Pay no attention to the
clueless sniping from the Utah trolls. Every time they post they reveal just how
lacking in understanding of the big picture they are.The advantage
of BYU going independent over staying shackled to CT and his sorry television
contracts will become clear over several years.Starting next July,
BYU will be judged entirely on their own merits, and not by weaknesses of their
conference associates.In football, the MWC has been a millstone
around the necks of the top teams in the conference.The real
advantage for next season is no more BYU games on the MTN!!!
OK, didn't BYU announce going Indy on Sept 1st? Am I wrong? If I'm right that
means it has taken only 3 months and 8 days to FINALIZE a 12 game schedule. Not
too shabby if you ask me. Do I love San Jose St and Idaho St? Not
really, but landing Ol Miss and Texas AND Oregon St makes up for some patsies. I
actually think this schedule is better than most schedules in the MWC. Think
about it, in most years BYU would schedule a couple pretty good OOC teams and
then play TCU and utah every year. Not much has changed. Tom Holmoe
did a wonderful job with the amount of time he had to put this together and it
will only get better. I'm stoked for next season! Hopefully the
Cougs will put a royal beat-down on the Miners in 10 days and we can all go into
the off season with some renewed optimism. Its a good time to be a Cougar fan!
Can't wait to see my Cougars one more time on the 18th! Go Cougs!!!
I didn't know BYU joined the rack, man what a brutal schedule san jose st, idaho
st man what are the zoobies gonna do. Joke
To Brad Holmoe:Good job. Most football schedules are done year in
advance. Despite that you have put together a decent schedule for us in just a
few months. Yes, there are some WAC teams during this adjustment period, but we
all knew there would be and are happy that the WAC is helping us fill our
schedule this year. We also know that in the future, there will be less WAC
teams and more teams from across the nation. Don't worry about the
Ute fans who are so very concerned about our schedule, they are the same guys
who were sure we wouldn't be able to schedule anyone, that ESPN wouldn't give us
a good deal, that you would be fired for going Independent, that Bronco would be
fired, that they would crush TCU, and that they would be playing for the NC this
year.... They even told us to "mark it down." Oh well.Congratulations on a job well done.
Play nice everyone. Utes have a big challenge in Vegas and 2011. Good for them.
Cougs have a good schedule for their young team. Survive the Sept games and they
could run the table. Might not get a BCS invite, but just might. Let's all be
happy for both teams. On to basketball.
Oh, I get it.Going Independent just means BYU is an unofficial
member of the WAC!
Shaun"A powerhouse doesn't play 5 teams from the WAC."Tell that to Boise State who is going to kick the stuffing out of that
over-rated PAC 12 bound wannabe "powerhouse" up on the hill.----------------------Utah'95What you don't seem to
get is this season's rankings are as meaningless for next season, as last
season's rankings were for this season.BYU will be playing FOUR
games, three of them on the road, against teams from "power"
conferences -- every one of them nationally broadcast.Beating a name
team like Texas on the road always carries weight in the world of college
football talking heads. And next year, the talking heads at ESPN
will have a vested interest in talking up BYU's high profile wins, while
overlooking BYU's weaker opponents.Next year's schedule won't get
the Cougars into a BCS championship game, but it's certainly good enough to get
them into a BCS game with an undefeated season.If BYU finishes 12-0
and Utah finishes 8-4, who do you think the national media will be talking
Compare next year's schedule with this year's, and you'll see that it's really
pretty good. There's not much difference between playing the bottom of the WAC
and the bottom of the MWC. UCF is better than Washington. Ole Miss, Texas, Utah,
and Oregon St. is just as good if not better than what Utah will get in the
Pac-12. All BYU is losing is TCU. To say that BYU is the only team with a bunch
of cupcakes on their schedule is ridiculous. Look at the cupcakes in the Pac-12.
Colorado? Washington State? Washington? UCLA? I think this is the kind of
schedule everyone in college football should have. The teams in the SEC should
have to travel out of their region every now and then and play teams like NM
State, or at least invite them to play at home. It would be good for everybody.
Another thing, say what you want about BYU's schedule, but look at it compared
to Boise State's. If Boise State can gain national respect with their schedule,
there's no reason BYU couldn't gain national respect with theirs.
"A powerhouse doesn't play 5 teams from the WAC."Like
This schedule is phenomenal with only 5 months with which to work. The weak
teams are weak and the strong teams are strong. I can't wait to see every game
in HD on ESPN and BYUTV. Idependence is big risk big return. No
kowtowing to a conference anymore. BYU will be rewarded for its own merits.
Maybe they will flop but I am not worried. Excellent exposure, excellent
television coverage, and great games are already scheduled for the future. Go
Lets not pat Holmoe on the back too much for coming up with this schedule. Texas
and Oregon State games were set long before independence was declared. The Utah
game was inevitable, and Karl Benson is responsible for getting his WAC teams to
play BYU. Credit for getting an away game at Ole Miss, but they wanted to pound
a patsy at home on ESPN. Props for getting UCF and Idaho State to play the cougs
though, that should be exciting for the fans. Going independence is great if all
you want is exposure. But lets be honest, big time teams like Ole Miss, Texas
and Notre Dame will rarely make their way to happy valley. Once or maybe twice a
year, the cougar faithful will see teams from major conferences play at LES, the
rest of the home slate will always be filled with bottom of the barrel garbage.
I would rather see my team play SDSU, Air Force, TCU, and Utah at home, than see
Idaho State, Idaho, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. At least you get to
see BYU lose to Hawaii every other year.
Did the cougs not have Texas and Oregon State already on the slate prior to
moving? You landed Central Florida and Ole Miss and filled in with
a bunch of low level WAC teams outside of the top 100 to produce wins and a bowl
game. I will give you that you had a short time frame.How many
realistic cougar fans are excited about this schedule? No one will care to watch
your games after the first 5 weeks other than cougar fans.
Not the greatest schedule, but they are all Saturday games, with the exception
of the two in late September - which are not a surprise - so they don't conflict
with the GRSM and GC. For all the Ute trolls bashing this schedule,
think "Montana State". Really????? As a mighty PAC-10/12 team you
couldn't do better than a measely Big Sky team?
Looks pretty much like a four game schedule to me. Miss St., Texas, Utah, and
OSU. Loose one and done. One BCS auto qualifier at home! Even with eight gimmes,
if that gets the Y into a BCS game I would be surprised and the rest of the home
schedule is nothing to be proud of. Even if the Y runs the table I'm not sure
the make a major bowl, and little chance of BCS bowl. (ie. strength of schedule)
This schedule is very much like Boise State's. That means Cougs have no room
for error if they want to contend for a title. One loss and done, but that's
true of every non-BCS team. If there is disappointment, its because
people expected a Notre Dame schedule against big teams like UM, OSU, MSU, USC,
Stanford. Instead BYU is playing those WAC teams that didn't bolt to the
MWC.With such a weak schedule, BYU has a decent chance of running
the table, but then the national writers will chime in with "who have they
played".It's not a bad first year schedule, but be realistic...
and press for a better line up in the future.
Idaho State?! Really?! What, Weber wasn't available? That might be a good thing
because Coach Mac probably would go in there and beat you Zoobs 34-31.
only 2 decent home games ... Utah and and OSU. The of the home games are
Wow, maybe we should warn Washington St. about their new rivals. Their stories
and boards are going to get a giant boost from Ute trolls..2011: Let
the Ute/Washington St. battle for annual 11th place begin! :)
think4yourselfIt's funny how fans have to pick out the best/worst
case scenarios in order to prove a point.Yes playing SDSU, Air
Force, TCU, and Utah at home would be better than playing Idaho State, Idaho,
San Jose State, and New Mexico State, but would Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV
and New Mexico really be much of an improvement?The flip side is BYU
won't be locked into playing 8 MWC games, so instead of 2 or 3 games, the
Cougars will be able to schedule 5 or 6 games against teams like Notre Dame,
Texas, Boise State, Oregon State, Georgia Tech, West Virginia and Ole Miss EVERY
year.Utah's "fillers" from the dregs of the PAC 12 won't
be much better than the WAC "fillers" on BYU's schedule.Washington State and Colorado and UCLA (lately) and Washington (without Jake
Great schedule, especially considering the difficult teams are road games. Will
be nice when the return games come and the home schedule is more attractive.
Not sure why ISU is added at the end of the season, except maybe as a final
hurrah to the first year as an independent.
You do know this is just the start of independence for the "Y". The
schelule will improve as soon as possible. Games are scheduled way in advance.
I hope the "Y" smart enough to keep the Utes and Aggies on their
schedule over the coming years. It's my guess that it won't be the
"Y" that destroyes instate games, it will be the "Utes". If
the "Utes" don't find a way to keep the Courgars and Aggies on their
schedule then that will be a sad day and shame on Utah.Down with the
It will be a November to remember down in provo...save yourself big bucks and
buy your tix on stubhub (face value at the top end).
True Blue,You make good points. Just be careful about counting
chickens before they hatch. Wins in Austin don't come easily, and undefeated
seasons are even harder.Independent,Like you, I respect
Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, and Oregon State. Saying that UCF is better than
Washington is debatable at best. And be careful who you call
"cupcake." UCLA, Washington, and Colorado all finished rated about
where the Cougs did this year.And be honest, I don't care who you
are, there is nothing good about having to play New Mexico State.Regarding Holmoe's scheduling:BYU hooking up with the remnants of
the WAC was a no-brainer. Anyone could have brokered that deal. BYU had
several dates to fill, as did the remaining WAC teams. Plus, the WAC was on
life-support, so a school that draws well on TV and in the stands was a gift to
them.Holmoe will schedule respectable seasons in the future. Save
the congratulations for when it is warranted.Counter
Intelligence,Montana State was a late plug-in for Utah so they could
have 6 home games. Look at Utah's schedule - they don't have to apologize to
Wow, that is a horrible home schedule. After Utah, nobody. I feel sorry for
Cougar fan. Well, almost.I like the part about Tom Holmoe not
knowing why Hawaii had been taken off the schedule in previous years. Does he
not know BYU left Hawaii in the WAC and they were not so happy about it?
SCHEDULE A 13TH GAME!!Army and Navy both have open dates on November
26th (the also only have 11 games scheduled). Because BYU is playing Hawaii on
the road they are allowed a 13th. Let's go on the road to either Army or Navy.
I'm sure ESPN would like that matchup, it would get coverage by the Armed
Services Network, and it would be nice exposure in that part of the country.
I'm actually hoping that BYU can get regularly scheduled games with the service
@Uteman"BYU will need to pay ESPN to show over half of these
games"Isn't that what Utah is doing for the first few years in
the Pac 10? Paying THEM for the privilege of getting taken behind the woodshed
every week (well not every week, you will get a chance to play Washington State
and Colorado now and then).Oh, BTW, how many games will the Yewts
get broadcast on ESPN or on Fox Sports Northwest? I'm sure the powers that be in
the Pac 10 will want to broadcast that big rivalry game with Colorado.
Thanks for the heavy lifting AD Holmoe. The first comments are from ute trolls
which means you have hit a responsive cord. The utes are lucky to
have escaped games with BSU, TCU and Nevada. They will have enough loses as is.
Their fans can start reserving rooms in one of the bowl cities for the 5th place
PAC-12 team if they can come up with 6 wins in football and 6 wins in basketball
may be a stretch, too.
Is the schedule ideal? No. But any person that uses an ounce of objectivity
has to admit that this could have been a big problem. BYU is able to put this
schedule together in 5 months? I say not bad. With ESPN to help in
scheduling, BYU should be able to improve their schedule each year. I really think BYU going independent amounts to an experiment for some of the
bigger schools (Texas for one). If BYU is successful, I would not be surprised
if a couple other schools go indy as well.
@SportsFanWho is relying on best case scenarios? 2011 as good as BYU
can expect, give or take a game. 2-3 BCS big time games on the road, 1-2 big
time games at home. The rest of their schedule will be filled with the ilk of
Idaho State, Idaho, San Jose State,UNLV and New Mexico. How is that schedule
better than what BYU would have had otherwise? Essentially BYU traded playing
Boise, TCU, Air Force, and SDSU for playing Ole Miss, UCF and Hawaii. Does Utah have some dogs on their slate next year? Absolutely. Top to bottom
that PAC 10 and the MTN west, have been pretty comparable the past 5-6 years.
But, Utah doesn't have to go undefeated to get into a BCS game now. BYU still
does.The only thing going independent does for BYU is it gets them
off the terrible MTN, and onto ESPN. If that is all that BYU fans care about,
then congratulations, mission accomplished. If BYU fans want more from their
team then 10-3 seasons with bowls before Christmas, then they have a long way to
BORING. 1 out of 12 games worth watching! Utah vs BYU.
re: DavesKnowsWhatsupNot even close Dave, sorry. But keep
dreaming.The new Pac-12 TV deal will reportedly earn each team
around $16-19 MILLION a year. Those does not include the guaranteed 1 BCS spot
money that the Pac-12 gets to split, this year they are getting two in.BYU will get $4-6 MILLION a year from ESPN.So to answer your
question, no, the money is not even close.
It's pretty cool that BYU has some many home WAC games this year. This will
give them the inside track to win the conference.
Good to see the Utes keep throwing BYU a bone by allowing at least 1 decent game
to be played in LES next year. My gosh, gotta feel bad for BYU fans forking out
hundreds of bucks to see Utah, then a bunch of WAC level or worse football
Great first half schedule, weaker second half. Most WAC team have been weak.
There's on BYU's agenda than BCS, but to gain respect throughout the country
you're gonna have to build a stronger second half schedule. Texas is a
great opportunity espececially for recruiting Texas kids, however, Texas is
coming off a terrible season. You know they'll be back.
SU Wildcat "What, Weber wasn't available? That might be a good
thing because Coach Mac probably would go in there and beat you Zoobs
34-31."BYU mercifully ended their brief series with Weber State
30 years ago, after two games:1979 BYU 48 WSU 31973 BYU 45 WSU
14No need to continue beating a dead cat.If you're
looking for a game against an in-state opponent, Utah might be looking to fill
their Montana State slot for 2012. Give 'em all call. Whit might throw you a
bone for old times sake, if he's still around.
Cheers to and 0-3 start to a 7-5 year. Go Cougs!
@ Patriot: OSU is a road game. We have Utah and six games against teams that
pretty much stink. I was in school when Lavell was hired and I can't
think of a more lackluster schedule in BYU's history. I see this schedule
hurting recruiting for several years.Bluto, you're enthusiastic but
not factual. BYU's home games will be on an ESPN channel but there's no
guarantee which one. Also (and it makes me somewhat ill defending Utes) Utah
*is* a full member of the PAC-12 they just don't get full revenue sharing until
2014. Additionally The $170MM has nothing to do with Utah's membership, it's
the stipend for UCLA and USC. I'd dissect your errors further but why waste
words? Dirk Facer explained it in his blog of 10/21/10. I'd suggest you read
it.I fear that the move to independence was a knee-jerk reaction
that we will look at later and rue the day. Or will we look back at this
move and realize that the beginning of the end has occurred.
to: williary | 11:38 a.mTry 4 to 6 million a game.
@wazzup"Sorry, not impressed. if they had other teams wanting to play
and we ended up filling out the schedule with ISU? As Shania Twain once sang,
"that don't impress me much".Look, I understand that yewt
fans like yourself are jealous and a lack of self-esteem prevents you from
enjoying your own teams accomplishments and forces you to make little comments
about big brother instead.I'll humor you and spell it out for you
(I'm typing this S-L-O-W-L-Y to be sure you can understand), most schools have
their schedules already pegged years in advance. To be able to put together a
brand new one on the fly in only 3 months and get several BCS conference
opponents including a school like Texas who's usually in NC conversations is an
amazing job.Meanwhile, ESPN continues to work on big name opponents
in huge venues, like VaTech in FedEx Field and possibly a game for BYU in Yankee
Stadium too. Somehow I doubt ESPN will be putting those games on Thurs night.
Eat your hearts out Yewt fans, I can tell by your pithy little
comments that its killing you
@Willary What year does the new deal kick in..2014?To the rest of
the HOH, when was the last time the U played on the road against the Big 12 and
SEC? Just curious.With Urban Meyer gone form FL, who will come up
with your funny phrases?Are people expecting BYU or any other
independent to have top-25 teams scheduled every week? No conference does
that...especially the SEC. No one knows what each of those teams will do next
year anyway...so why talk smack now? How's the Pitt and ND and Iowa State games
looking this year?Just chill and know that my team wasn't trying in
the sugar bowl.
"BYU has a decent chance of running the table, but then the national
writers will chime in with 'who have they played'."The answer
is Ole Miss, Texas, Utah, Oregon State, and UCF, which a whole lot better on the
whole than Boise State's schedule - Virginia Tech and Nevada.
"And be careful who you call "cupcake." UCLA, Washington, and
Colorado all finished rated about where the Cougs did this year."Why should I be careful? BYU was a cupcake this year.
"Young and inexperienced"-Signed, Gary CrowtonWe
should play every games at home. We are that good and shouldn't expect to play
on the road.
Really, people are complaining about the schedule without even playing one game
as an independent. Please help me understand when the U played road games
against the SEC, Big12 and Pac10 in the SAME year.No one, except
Chris B knows how good any of our opponents will actually be, see Pitt, ISU or
ND for proof. This is year 1 of going indy. At least the games will be on tv
and visible to most of the viewing audience that wants to see them. As for the U and their million dollar tv payday...that might take a few
years...like 2014 if I am not mistaken.Yes, for those that really
must know, the Tide didn't want to be there.
@Indy""A powerhouse doesn't play 5 teams from the
WAC."Like Boise State? "The first statement is
correct. Boise St. is not a "powerhouse". This is proven by the fact
that they are playing Utah in Las Vegas instead of going to a BCS game with an
11-1 record. Neither Utah, BYU or Boise State are
"powerhouses" for all intents and purposes to most of the nation. That
is a fact that you cannot dispute, unfortunately.That being said,
the Utes are atleast getting themselves into a "powerhouse" league.btw...next year just might be the best chance the cougs have to run the
table and get into a BCS game. The Utes will be your only stumpling block though
:)Good luck cougs.
The Y may have a tough schedule in the future, just remember you guys have to go
undefeated just like being in the Mountain West to get a berth in the BCS. All
Utah has to do is win their division and the PAC 12 Championship game and we're
Teams that may surprise some BYU fans.Central Florida- They are a
very good team. This will not be an easy game for BYU even though it's a home
game. CF is an up and coming team. There's absolutely no disgrace in playing
them. La. Tech- We play the in Louisiana in 2011. They may not be
great, but they gave Nevada a scare this season. They've also played Boise
tough Idaho- OK, you can stop laughing now. The Vandals aren't
terrible. (not to be confused with Idaho State) They have a decent program.
If BYU has lots of injuries or takes this team very lightly, the unthinkable
could happen. This 2011 home schedule isn't the greatest schedule,
but time was of the essence for 2011. Holmoe did the best he could. The
schedules will get tougher in the future with fewer gimmees. Don't listen to
our enemies. They will soon have problems enough of their own.
I'm not a troll and I am certainly not a Ute Fan...But this is a
pitiful schedule... and it appears from the article that Holmoe knows that...I'm sorry, but schedules like this make BYU irrelavent, it costs them
fans, and it costs them future recruits... Who wants to watch them play Idaho
and Idaho State? Or play for a team that schedules these type of oponents? I
admit, it is an upgrade from Westminister and Southern Idaho, but not by
allot.... We could go undefeated and not even crack the BCS top 25... 2012
needs to be a whole lot better or I believe Holmoe needs to go...
re: bigsoccerNot a chance. Sorry. $1-2 Million per game, depending
on the opponent. Guarantee of 4 games a year. On average, about $5-7 Million a
year from ESPN.Less then half of what the Pac-12 split will be.
Arizona fan circa 1979:"All Arizona has to do is win the PAC 10
championship to play in the Rose Bowl."... 2010, still
waitingUtah fan circa 2010:"All Utah has to do is
win their division and the PAC 12 Championship game and we're smelling
roses."... don't hold your breath
Forgive me if this has already been addressed, but does this mean that the
Cougars will have only 5 home games in 2012? If they can get away with
scheduling 7 home games per year, that is pretty sweet. That has always bugged
me about the "power" conferences/teams. They get 7-8 home games. If somebody touched on it already, i'm sorry. But wading through all of the
banter can be mind numbing.
poyman"We could go undefeated and not even crack the BCS top
25"Who do you think you're kidding, troll?If BYU
starts the season winning road games at Mississippi and Texas, and home games
against Utah and Central Florida, not only will the Cougars be a lock for the
Top 25, they'll probably be ranked in the Top 10.After that, BYU
still goes on the road to face a PAC 12 team, Oregon State, as further
validation.With a Top 10 ranking and four wins against AQ conference
opponents, three of them on the road, BYU could cruise through the remainder of
the season with a weak schedule and still qualify for a BCS berth.SOS would prevent the Cougars from getting into the BCS championship game, but
they'd have enough quality wins on their schedule to justify a BCS bowl.
@Utah'95I find it interesting that a Ute fan would make comments
about BYU scheduling cupcakes when it's been a Yewt staple and the secret of
their BCS success for years.Scheduling 8 or 9 cupcakes and trying to
avoid getting ranked teams on the schedule but getting a game or two with
downtrodden (formerly) respectable teams (so that you can claim you played
somebody) has been the Yewt magic BCS formula for finishing undefeated and
getting to a BCS bowl.I'm a little surprised at the hypocrisy by
Yewt fans when all BYU is doing is borrowing the strategy devised by the Yewts.
Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery? You should feel good about it,
not bitter.The one difference between the BYU version and the Yewt
version is besides the calvacade of cupcakes, BYU has also scheduled teams with
championship pedigrees like Texas (recent NC), or teams on the rise who are
nationally ranked like Hawaii and UCF as well as teams from BCS conferences like
Oregon St and Ole Miss.All things considered that's a pretty
balanced schedule so try not to be too bitter.
Everybody calm down. You're making way too much of all of this.It's
not a great schedule, but expecting one in BYU's first year of independence is
asking too much.Bragging about this schedule just makes you sound
silly.Not every Ute fan who disagrees with your opinion is jealous
or a Hater. Don't automatically dismiss what your rival says - some of it is
worthy of consideration.No one in the country believes that the MWC
and the PAC 10 have been equals over the last 5 years other than die-hard MWC
fans."All Utah has to do is win their division and the PAC 12
Championship Game and we're smelling roses." When you put it like that, I
guess that isn't that hard.I wonder why Arizona has never done it?
Expand LES,'cause we're going to be more awesome!!Issue new gold
coins!!Break out the slip n' slide!!Bigger water-balloon
extravaganza!!New T-shirt slogans!!Wow.....
@Mr Oblivious"Independence = Big MistakeSchedule = Weak
sauce."You forgot one:Mr Oblivious=Bitter Yewt fan
Ragnar Danneskjold To answer your question: Since BYU will be
independent starting next season, there's no requirement that the Cougars
alternate home and away games with conference opponents. BYU could schedule 7
home games every year, indefinitely, which, from what I've heard, is Holmoe's
plan going forward.
to: williary | 1:05 p.m So if the Pac 12 is 12 to 15 million a year, thats
not per team, you guys will get about 2 million of that a year, and plus for the
first 3 you won't be getting any money, the pac 12 thanks you for paying them to
play in their league.
Funny, why is BSU not on the schedule and yet BYU will schedule Idaho State?
There are actually better high school teams to schedule than ISU. Is this what
Cougar fans are getting excited about?
@LivinLarge"It's pretty sad when I'm more excited about the women's
volleyball schedule than I am about the 2011 football schedule..."I can see where that would be a difficult obstacle to overcome. You may have
to grow a pair, give up your season tickets to women's gymnastics and stop
watching Lifetime and home decorating & gardening shows on cable in order to
start the recovery process. Good luck with that.
to the ute naysayers... what's new. It's you biology.To reality, how
is BYU's new vs. MTN schedule?Idaho St. or New MexicoIdaho or
UNLVLa Tech or CSUSan Jose or WyomingNew Mexico St. or SDSU
(except this year)Of course we have repeat schools:Utah (weak
sister to the north...)USUPicking up significant gamesTexasOle MissHawaii at the islandOregon StateUCFAny of 6 of the 7 will be nationally noticed.Bottom line...
much better schedule than last year or for the past 5 years for either BYU or
Utah.Utah will get a great home schedule. Doubt a great record, but
should be fun.So, naysayers, go away. You are full of yourselves and
@Howard S"btw, Utah has a perpetual home and home schedule with
USC, Oregon, and Stanford and they didn't even need ESPN's help."BYU gets $1-$2 million from ESPN per game (and they don't have to share it)
while we get Butkus from the Pac 10 for several seasons. You're pretty sharp
there Howard.My biggest concern is that when the Pac 10 goes to
renegotiate their TV contract that the "Haves" in the conference will
follow Texas' lead and command a lion's share of the revenues leaving scraps for
the small non-revenue programs like us.I fear that the only thing
this move to the Pac 10 will acheive is forever eliminating our chance to go
undefeated, rarely get to play in another BCS bowl (maybe once every 30 yrs or
so) and get forever mired in the lower division rabble of the Pac 10 (who,
outside of the Palouse, follows Wazzou?) because we'll never have the $$$ to
compete with the big boys.Hmmm...giving up the opportunity to go to
a BCS bowl 1x every 3 yrs for becoming the new Wazzou. Grrreaaaaaaaaaaaat!
That is a pretty weak schedule, a lot like the one the Yoots played this year.
But at least BYU still has a chance to win the few tough games. The Yoots
already lost theirs.
bigdaddyak,Utah has never had the option to schedule 8-9 games a
year. In the MWC, all the teams were required to play 8 conference games. That
leaves only 4 games for the individual teams to schedule.Of course,
anyone who pays the slightest attention to collegiate athletics already knows
that.Utah has played Oregon, Pittsburgh, and Notre Dame in the last
two years. Which of them qualify as "cupcakes?"Remember,
most Cougar fans are proud of their upcoming agreement to play Notre Dame
numerous times. Which is it - something to be proud of, or just taking
advantage of a "cupcake" over and over again?
@Hownerd S."BYU needed ESPN's help to schedule a one and done on the
road with Ole Miss?"It's really eating at you that a major
network as large and monumental as the eminent sports pioneer ESPN had a
specific interest and sought BYU out to pilot this innovative concept (BYU could
pull it off because of their national fanbase, while Utah couldn't because they
have just moderate regional interest). ESPN is bigger than any
conference (SEC, Pac 10, etc) and when they decide to flex it has more might
than even the BCS. When the other major football powers with
national fan bases like Texas, Ohio St, USC, Florida, OK, etc follow BYU's lead
and work their own deals with ESPN in order to cut out the bottom feeder
have-not schools in their conferences (like a Utah) this will take controlling
power away from the BCS conferences (creating a "Super-class" of FBS
teams) and make them irrelevant and inconsequential and turn former BCS
conferences like the Pac 10 into "the New WAC", a new lower sub-class
of schools within the FBS.Utah will have BYU to thank for keeping
Sounds to me like a lot of Utah fans are worried about BYU upstaging Utah's PAC
12 debut.Why should U even care who BYU is playing next season?Except for that September 17th game, who BYU plays will have absolutely
no affect on the Utes.I do find it interesting that Utah has dropped
Utah State from their schedule to play Montana State.Until the Utes
man up enough to continue their rivalry with the Aggies, Utah fans have
absolutely no room to talk about weak schedules.Using the excuse
that the PAC 12 is dictating who the Utes can play is weak sauce. Boise State
(another WAC team) has been playing other PAC 10 teams for years.
@Pac 12 loves U"The Y may have a tough schedule in the future, just
remember you guys have to go undefeated just like being in the Mountain West to
get a berth in the BCS. All Utah has to do is win their division and the PAC 12
Championship game and we're smelling roses."That's ALL we have
to do?!? Survive a tougher week-to-week schedule (never had to deal with that
before) and beat teams like USC, Oregon, STanford, Oregon St, Washington etc
each year? Oh, piece of cake!There's a reason Washington St &
Oregon St has only been to 4 Rose Bowls each in 117 seasons and ASU has only
been to 3 in 35 yrs and they all have a much bigger athletic budget than we do
(double the budget). We will fall in line behind these schools as the weakest
financially and it will be YEARs before we can come close to bridging the
gap.It won't take long before our once proud football program
succumbs to the strain of being in over our heads and falls into dissarray.
BiggerUtefan | 2:05 p.m. Dec. 9, 2010SLC, UT Hey Bigger' my
friend - It seems to me that you may have picked the wrong team to
cheer for. If you are afraid of top notch competition, I'm sure you can pick up
some cheap seats to watch the Cougars play Idaho State next year. Meantime, I'll be watching the Utes play on the main stage of college
football. Oh, and as sharp as you are I'm sure you know that while
BYU may get a pittance to fill ESPNs Thursday and Friday night schedules, they
also have to pay Idaho State and the rest of those patsies to come to LES to
play. Utah won't have to pay a nickel when USC and Oregon come to
RES to play. Enjoy your Cougars. They'll have plenty of seats to
I'm opening a deli cart at the UofU.I want to make sure the "U
Fans" that are so worried about our schedule next year can get some cheese
to go with their whine.I know, it's an old joke, but then so are
most of you!The Utah articles about playing Boise are full of
"Y fans" proclaiming U doom and U fans criticizing them for doing it.
The comment section on this article is full of "U fans" proclaiming Y
doom and U fans criticizing them for doing it. Wow, how original.A
pox upon both your houses.Now, back to the topic at hand. Only a
complete idiot would think that we could come out the independence gate with a
world beater schedule in the first year, particularly given the late start to
the process. Apparently, many "U fans" are very
complete.According to most of U geniuses we are irrelevant as U have
moved on to greener pastures. Your comments simply prove that U are still
obsessed with the Y and are still trying to get our of our shadow.I'm sorry for you ... now go away.
re: bigsoccer"So if the Pac 12 is 12 to 15 million a year, thats not
per team, you guys will get about 2 million of that a year, and plus for the
first 3 you won't be getting any money, the pac 12 thanks you for paying them to
play in their league." Stick to soccer my man this argument is
taking place 10 feet over your head!
I don't undestand all the Thurs/Fri talk for games being televised on ESPN.
They may have a couple at those times, but throughout the entire season, I
remember seeing at least a few Pac-10 and ACC teams playing on Thurs and Fri
nights, so that slot isn't relegated to just the no-name programs of the
country. Those programs/conferences get the Tues/Wed night slots.
Almost forty years ago, in the days when 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offenses
ruled, a former defensive coach took over a mediocre college football team and
adopted a novel passing offense that eventually swept the nation by storm and
ushered in a new era of pass-happy offenses.Now, another new concept
is being launched at the same school, independence, broadcasting their own games
nationally through their own television network or through an exclusive contract
with the World Wide Leader in Sports. Who knows whether it will catch on, but
other very successful programs like Texas and Ohio State are keeping a close eye
on what's happening in Provo.Pioneers are often scoffed at, it goes
with the territory.
All very entertaining comments but all based on opinions. Only fact available
for next year is...well...No Facts.That is why college football and
the future is so great.
This is the best we can do as an Independant? This shedule is weaker than this
year's - and that is saying A LOT.
You're forgetting the other side of the equation, Howard S.Sure, BYU
will be paying teams to play in Provo, but BYU will also be getting paid to play
on the road.Like the almost $1 million BYU will be getting from Ole
Miss in BYU's first game as an independent.It remains to be seen how
big Utah's "main stage" turns out to be. 9 pm Saturday night kickoffs
on FOX Regional may not be the kind of "main stage" Utah fans were
Re: BigCougar | 2:25 p.m. Dec. 9, 2010SLC, UT Big Cougar, my
friend - I suspect that with respect to this discussion FACTS are
not particularly relevant for you, but bear with me.B.C. says
"ESPN had a specific interest and sought BYU out to pilot this innovative
concept..."THE FACT is that the only innovative concept ESPN
had in mind for BYU was as a replacement for the BSU time slots on Thursday and
Friday nights.B.C. says that "BYU could pull it off because of
their national fanbase..."THE FACT is that in the 38 states
east of Colorado (including DC) Mormons represent barely over one half of 1% of
the population. In the 13 states west of Colorado Mormons represent about 6% of
the population. Based on those demographics the BYU fanbase barely
represents a meaningful regional fanbase in the west, and doesn't even register
as a meaningful fanbase in the midwest and eastern states.For ESPN
BYU is the new BSU, and if the best their muscle flexing can do is a one and
done with Mississippi, Cougar fans can look forward to weak schedules for years
@scenicview...You would be better identified as
"blind.optimist". or "rose.glasses"...Texas, and
Oregon State are in rebuilding mode (TCU and Oregon killed OSU this year and
they are losing a couple of all star running backs, UT had a tough time with
Wyoming this year).... I don't know that much about Central Florida.... But Ole
Miss is usually in the bottom quadrant in the SEC...But San Jose
State? Idaho? and Idaho State? New Mexico State? Pulleeeze.... We will be hard
put to crack the top 100 in SOS.An undefeated year will not qualify
us for a BCS no matter much you hope and look at this "scene"...And as far as the "Troll" thing goes, I guarantee you that I
am every bit a Cougar fan than you are and probably more so... I just like to
hover around reality with my observations.... You not only have a scenic view of
the way things are, you are looking at them from outer space... BTW,
have you ever heard the term "Pollyanna"? Look it up, it fits you to a
Seven home games will gross between 25 - 28 million dollars for the Y. Love
being an independent.
1984What it's saying is that U don't understand A LOT if you think
this is the best "we" can do as an independent.As every
true BYU fan knows, this schedule was cobbled together at the last minute and
doesn't represent typical BYU schedules as an independent.
Many hater comments. They are heavy with jealousy and obsession. Not a bad
schedule all things considered. I wish they could have gotten a better team than
Idaho State considering 3 or 4 weak WAC teams but they do have several good
teams on their schedule. Maybe they will pull a Utah / Boise and go undefeated
with a patsy laden schedule and get into a BCS game.I would like to have
seen them get Fresno, Nevada, Boise on the WAC portion for this first year but
the MWC probably would not have allowed that.
First of all, let me say that this schedule is just plain ok when all is said
and done. It has the two extremes: some great opponents and some horrible
opponents. The two cancel each other out.Those claiming that
independence was a bad idea after looking at the schedule need to look ahead
even farther. This is the best BYU could do considering when they started
scheduling. But in the future BYU has games against Texas, BSU, ND, Oregon
State, Georgia Tech, and others. The schedules will only get better, and it
won't hurt recruiting becuase football players should know that this year's
schedule is only an exception. Things like this take time to settle into
place.Also, to you Ute fans trashing this year's schedule, how about
you announce this September that you will go independent and let us know how the
next year's schedule works out for you, ok? While you're at it, show us what
kind of deal you strike up with ESPN.The future is looking very
@ 1984 for lifeWith the exception of the patty cake teams BYU
played, their games against Air Force, Florida St, Nevada, TCU, and Utah were
games with teams that have been ranked this year. Depending on how
teams play next year, which nobody can predict right now, I think it will be a
much easier schedule. That said, there's a good chance that next
years schedule can turn out nice for the Cougars or it can turn out to be a real
dud if these "storied" programs have poor seasons.Eitherway, it's going to take a couple of years to see how independence will
really turn out, and I'm optimistic.
poymanAnybody who bases the strength of next year's schedule on this
year's result obviously hasn't paid much attention to college football.Texas was rebuilding this year, but the Longhorns could be right back in the
thick of national championship discussions next season.Ole Miss
entered the year with decent hopes after back-to-back, nine-win Cotton Bowl
seasons, but struggled from the outset and limped to 4-8.UCF won the
C-USA championship and are trying to make a case for being invited to the Big
East.The only thing constant about college football is change.NOBODY knows how strong or weak a team is going to be from year to
year.Utah rose to #5 in the BCS this year by beating a vastly
over-rated Pittsburgh and 7 more cupcakes.The point is, BYU's early
schedule could easily be good enough to carry the dead weight of their later
@Bigger(not a)UtefanYou keep saying we and us but you seem to know
alot about the cougs and how much money they will make per game and probably the
best place to get pizza in Provo. Interesting..@Mussing"Using the excuse that the PAC 12 is dictating who the Utes can play is
weak sauce. Boise State (another WAC team) has been playing other PAC 10 teams
for years." Please explain.....
@ The SpikerThat's two days in a row that your comments have cracked
me up. You're funny.I have to say that I honestly don't understand
why Utes, like Howard S, are so concerned with who we play. They keep telling us
how they are special and chosen and on to bigger and better things. So, why then
are they so worried about us?
Let me get this out there first. I am a Utah fan. There, now you can take this
how you want.I am excited for the fact that BYU has gone independent, and
in the future there will be some fantastic opportunities as a college football
fan here in Utah. I can't wait for the week when I can go down to Provo and
watch Notre Dame or Texas play and then go up on the hill where I am a
season-ticket holder and watch USC or Oregon. With that being said, there
is no way to sugarcoat this year's Y. schedule. IT STINKS. The away games are
pretty good, but outside of Utah, the home games are flat-out awful. The
second-best game is either UCF or Utah State. I realize it was put together
last-minute, but please Cougar fans, don't try to justify that this year's
schedule is anything more than a joke. Quit rationalizing and just accept the
fact and get ready for the future schedules to improve (after all, they can't
Cali cougWhat do YOU plan on doing with the extra $?
I don't know how the rest of you feel, but as an Independant, I would rather
play 12 BCS teams and finish 6-6 than to play teams from the WAC, the MAC, Big
Sky, C-USA, and division 2 teams not even among the top 120 teams and have 10-2
season. It is exciting watching, win or lose, BYU vs respected teams
from the BCS. I sometimes feel like I should turn the channel for the
other games we play that are not vs. the BCS teams and watch a more interesting
game. Surely we can find the seller dwellers of each of the BCS
conferences to schedule against and win, along with some middle of the back BCS
teams and maybe yes or maybe no, win.Congratulations for getting
back with ESPN and including BYUTV. This was a good move.
deductive reasoning | 3:23 p.m. Dec. 9, 2010Arlington, VA Dear
d.r.I'm not forgetting any side of th equation. I was
simply pointing out the costs of independence to BiggerUtefan (2:05 p.m. Dec. 9,
2010) Who seemed to suggest that $1-2 million/game from ESPN was free and
clear.In fact BYU as an independent BYU will have to pay every team
that comes in to LES. Further, as a mid-major independent BYU will not likely
be negotiating from a position of strength in any of these negotiations.
@ optimistI don't think there's anybody who will disagree with you.
That said, it will take some time.
Why do you care Howard? Are you footing the bill?
That strength of schedule should put you well over 100 next year. What a
Just wondering....but didn't BYU and Utah both have BSU on their schedules for
2011 or 2012 before they chose to leave the MWC - and before BSU was invited to
join the MWC? Originally the BYU-BSU and BSU-Utah games would have been
out-of-conference anyway. Did the illustrious Craig Thompson put a moratorium
on the remaining and soon-to-be MWC teams from playing either of these teams
Nice away schedule. And the home schedule is salvaged by Utah visiting Provo.
Should be a pretty good year for BYU. Looking forward to seeing how they do --
Two PAC-12 schools, a Big 12 power, a decent SEC team and the champion of
Conference USA from a big football state. Not a bad run for the first year. The
schedule will only get better. I don't fault them for the Idaho State game.
Everyone needs a cupcake to get folks experience and rest. Wish it was Weber or
SUU instead, but maybe their schedules were not open in those weeks. Also, they
could still add antoher game. Two bye weeks and Hawaii on the schedule. Good
luck BYU. It won't matter to me as much if you lose or not now because you
aren't a conference foe. Kind of nice not to root against you now.
@ Fresnogirl:I'll reply for Howard. I'm no Sports
Economist but the way this Independent thing works is that you (BYU) have to pay
teams to come play you now. My Utes got a hefty check from ND for that
out-of-conference game in November. Many Cougar fans have pounded their chests
about the ESPN deal/dollars that will now be filling the coffers. What many
fail to realize is that a hefty chunk of change has to be paid out to the teams
that will be on the cougars home schedule.
Bronco is not staying for this. He is sooo out of here.
I guess my comment to all the Utah fans who are really out in force with the
hate stuff is a simple line up the 2010 and 2011 Utah schedules side by side
with the 2010 and 2011 BYU schedules and then start comparing. Also toss in the
2011 schedules for both schools before all the changes were made.What appears to be happening is that the Utah fans are bad mouthing schedules
that look closely like there own. Everyone, please toss out the
hate, be objective, and enjoy sharing the sandbox.
The amount of money BYU will have to pay to the WAC and a Big Sky teams won't
even be half the caffine free diet coke profits for a single game. Paying teams
to come as an independent will be negligible. And all the TV revenue is free
and clear. Besides, a home game garners about $2 million a year. ($1.0 million
if you have a mid-major stadium like say UCF or Utah) Even if they pay $200,000
to a visiting team they still break way above cost by having 7 home games.And they don't pay for Utah to visit!How much do they get paid to have
one and done with Ol Miss? $900,000 and ESPN money!Independence is a
financial windfall with the ESPN deal.How much ESPN money does the Y
have to share with Utah for a home game? $0.00
Holmoe said last night that he is currently negotiating with "Current"
Top 10 teams for even more additional Home and Home series.This will
take time to ramp up, but with ESPN as a partner, it will only get better.Utah could never do what BYU will do with Independence. They
cling to the "Collective/Socialist" Conference Model.BYU
relies on it's "Own Brand".Utah simply will not be a full
fledged "Made-utah-Man" for at least 5 years.Forget
16-20 million a year, Ain't Happening Utes. Utah's speculation as to
TV revenues, is still up in the air. No contracts have been signed yet. Meanwhile, BYU will have every Football and Basketball game on National
TV. Don't think recruits won't see who is on TV and who is not.Example, Boise St.Utah will lose so much ground waiting for
the Pac-12 scraps that they will become forgotten.Welcome to
Washington State's World.The Utes were asked to the Prom, but their
date also asked 2 others, and until he dances with them, you just wait over here
and we'll see if he gets around to you.SoSad
Byu will get more money as an independent then they did in the MWC. They will be
seen on more TV's thru out the nation.That is their priority, Not
caring about what Utah is doing anymore.
I probably wouldn't watch BYU vs. Idaho State even if it were on NBC. I think
its fair for the Cougars to schedule this game since its difficult on short
notice to find teams with open slots on their schedule for dates late in the
season, but I hope BYU doesn't actually charge their fans money to watch this
game. BYU ought to do deal such as pay for 6 tickets (6 home games) get the 7th
for free. Idaho St. hasn't done particularly well even in the FCS.
When I saw this headline I knew it would be a Ute troll favorite. Nothing like
this schedule (hastily put together as we all know) to attract the attention of
these dedicated Utesies.We all know that BYU going independent is
the real story and when the ESPN boys come to Las Vegas later this month they
will be talking about the Cougars while the not ready for prime time Utes get
pounded by the Broncos.Isn't it amazing that the Utes went from
being invited to the PAC-10, to being one of the best teams in the nation at #5
with all the hype of going to a BCS game and possible NC bid, to today.Utes are not ending the season like they had hoped. Next year won't be
anything like the hopes and dreams of excited PAC-12 wannabe fans.On
the other hand BYU gets EVERYTHING they hoped for for a FIRST season and the
future looks very bright.Poor 'bitter and jealous' Ute fans. (sniff
sniff) I really feel sorry for your plight.
@Howard S@MAFUBYU has always paid teams to come to Provo and
get whupped. That's why teams like a Northern Iowa or Eastern Washington would
be willing to get taken behind the LES woodshed and why the Yewts were willing
to go to South Bend and get the Atomic Wedgie from ND. The big
difference is we weren't getting $1 million a game to bring in cupcakes like we
are now. Who cares if we pay them $100-$200K for the honor? We came out WAY
ahead and get prime Saturday ESPN exposure to do it. That's way better than 9pm
PST Saturday night on Fox Sports NW (if you're lucky enough to get that!)BYU had a significantly bigger AD budget than your Yewts (2009 was $32
million for BYU and @26 million for Utah). A little over a million of that was
their take from the Mtn. contract. Yet, BYU still managed to turn a very healthy
profit (while the Yewts lost over a million). Now we get paid what the Mtn.
contract was worth or more for every game on ESPN. Hoo-hoooooooo *KA-CHING!*
fresnogirl Thanks for the kind words. I'm just trying to lighten up
these disgruntled "U fans" as well as the Y fans that feel the need to
argue with them or justify themselves.Why in the world are any of
you arguing about how much money the U or the Y will "make" with their
new arrangements? You are worse than my kids ever were (and that isn't a
compliment).If you all were the experts that you profess to be then
you wouldn't be having the conversation. The U is a state school;
they need the money to justify/expand the sports programs. The Y is private and
self funded. I'm sure the additional money is appreciated, but you are kidding
yourselves if you think that we are in this to make more money.This
is about exposure and controlling our own destiny. Now, you may think that have
made a mistake and will fail, that's ok. But stop acting like you don't know
what is happening. You do know.Let's try this; we'll be proud of
going independent and U can be proud of being PAC-12.Okay? Okay.
Scheduling will always be a challenge for BYU. IF they play a cupcake schedule,
no one will take them seriously, and if they play a tough schedule and WIN a
lot, power teams will be too scared to schedule them. I'm sure there were
people in OU's athletic department last year questioning what happened with
their traditional cupcake opener.
I love BYU football and believe leaving the MTN West was a good choice, but
unfortunately, this schedule is the result. Subsequent years will likely be much
better and the decision to go Independent will start to pay off. As for next
year, BYU will not be able to claim a great football team even if they win all
of their games. The cries that the BCS is unfair will fall on deaf ears if they
come from an undefeated BYU next season - as a result of that schedule. I would
rather play the University of Montana than ISU; couldn't that have been
arranged? Didn't ISU use to play Ricks College when they had a football team? I
hear the University of Phoenix is starting a football team. Maybe we can
schedule to play them?
A few thoughts:---Credit Holmoe and the others for putting together
a decent schedule in such short time.---BYU's 2010 schedule will
have proven more difficult than 2011.---BYU's road schedule is tough
enough next year to balance out the weaklings they have coming to Provo. Still,
BYU would have to run the table to get serious consideration for the BCS.---Few SEC teams, save Georgia occasionally, will travel beyond their
home(much less the Mason-Dixon) to play games. Therefore, the Ole Miss series is
by definition a one-and-done.---Beating Texas on the road won't
carry as much weight now that Iowa State did it this year (the same team many Y
fans accuse of being a serious U cupcake). But a win is a win. Will BYU's win
streak over Texas continue?---What sort of bowls would an Indy BYU
be looking at if they do not make it to the BCS? Ex: Fill-in for the PAC team
that doesn't qualify? ---BYU is not playing the WAC. They miss out
on the two best remaining teams: Fresno St. and Nevada.Good Luck in
Why are so many people arguing about the money? Here are a few facts about the
money.BYU and Utah got about 1 million a season from the MWC for TV
rights and got stuck with the mtn. Both will be making lots more money and
playing on better networks next year. Just remember that part because most of
you are confusing yourselves with all the ESPN stuff and Larry Scott's promises
about what Utah might get in a few years.
I try to be nice to BYU and all I get is hate spewed at the Utes. Pretty tired
Hey MiP,How is the weather out there in Iowa? I did grad work at UI
and lived in Coralville. We really enjoyed our time there.
I don't know why several of you are whining that the schedule isn't better than
it is? With the little time there was to prepare for the 2011 season, I was
impressed that we got some good teams to challenge. I'm also pleased that
several of them will be played via ESPN. I enjoy watching the BYU games because
I live in another state. Since MTN took over, I could only look on the internet
for updates. I see a good future for BYU from 2012 and on. Whiners need not show
up here and rather positive notes about BYU's football future. Go BYU and good
luck! Hats off to Holmoe for the good work he's done with the little time he had
to arrange for 2011's football season.
3 teams with winning records and 9 teams with loosing records this year. It
looks like BYU wants to get back to their winning ways before they worry about
impressing the BCS with a difficult schedule. I thought the move to become
independant was because they were tired of playing bad teams in the MWC. This
schedule is weaker than the MWC schedule was. I guess the move to independence
was because they were afraid of the MWC making them look bad (by beating up on
Some people are saying that with this schedule, BYU would not go to a bowl game
even if they ran the table. I respectfully disagree. It's hard nowadays to
ignore an undefeated team, and this schedule is very similar to Boise State's
schedule this last year, and had they beat Nevada they would very likely be in a
BCS bowl game.Also note that the most difficult games are on the
road (except Utah), so that will add credibility to the wins. Had it been
switched, I might think BYU would be ignored.If BYU wins the first 4
games (beating Ole Miss, Texas, CFU, and Utah; 3 BCS teams), they will
definately be ranked very high. From that point on it will be downhill; only
Oregon State should present a challenge and losing any games other than that
would be a big upset.
Look, the schedule that the Y made was the best in a short period of time. You
try and find teams that have open dates on the days you need. Ok the best that
Tom could do, enough said. Next; the Utes have a won loss record of
the teams they play next year of 70 wims 75 losses. Montana State a DII has 9 of
them, the Y has 6, take these two school out of the mix and the opponents of the
U have a combined 55 wins 66 losses. HUH!!!!! They also won't play Oregon and
Stanford until, 2013, the PAC trying to give them a break, part of the
negoiations of the U.....
2012 is more of the same:Oregon State, Hawaii, Utah, Boise, GA Tech, Notre
Dame, then end the season with Utah State, La Tech, New Mexico State.
Basically, October will be the traditional end to any national interest in BYU
football.Funny that Cougar fans spit about how Utah is destined to
be a Pac 12 bottom feeder, yet they laud the Utah game as one of their marquee
games to prove the Cougars are a national power.
Re: scenic viewThanks for the info. I knew it wasn't required to
have a return trip with those teams, but figured most teams would put it in the
contract. That is pretty awesome for BYU season ticket holders.I guess
Cougar fans should just hope they don't schedule a bunch of terrible teams to
fill that. I have never understood why fans let the administration get away with
scheduling a bunch of D2 schools. It seems like ticket sales would drop. I
think overall the schedule is not great for next year, but a good way to get
their independent feet under them and have a decent record to hopefully schedule
a little better in the future. Should be an interesting journey
@Riverton CougarYou haven't been undefeated in 27 years.You haven't won a final ranked non-conference team since 1996. Great chance
Texas will fix things by next year and will be back in the top 10.This year you haven't scored more than 16 points against teams with at least 4
wins on the road.Only if "magic happens" do you go on the
road and beat @Ol Miss, @Texas, and @Oregon State in one year. Maybe over a
decade but not in a single year.
As an independent, BYU will have a variety of bowl games to choose from next
year, and may very well be playing in a January bowl such as the Ticket City
Bowl, the GoDaddy.com Bowl, BBVA Compass Bowl, or Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl. Any
of these is better then the old MWC early and over bowls.
UteologyMy suggestion is to get a PhD. in "BYU: Selective
Facts, A Biased View".It would be fun for you, and somehow feel
the void that you have in your life.I mean, you work so hard at it,
you might as well get something for it.
Moderate | 10:32 a.m. Dec. 10, 2010 "Funny that Cougar fans
spit about how Utah is destined to be a Pac 12 bottom feeder, yet they laud the
Utah game as one of their marquee games to prove the Cougars are a national
power." Sorry, but you misread the tea leaves. BYU
fans aren't claiming that the Utah game proved that BYU is a national power. On
the contrary, what the BYU-Utah game proved was that even a mediocre 6-6 BYU
team with a true freshman QB could still outplay a Top 25 Utah team at RES.-------------------UteologyU haven't been ranked
#1 in any significant poll since the AP poll was established in 1936.U haven't ever won a national individual award of any kind.U
haven't ever had 4 straight Top 25 finishes.
All of this hysteria from the hill by Uteology and his friends just shows that
they're worried sick that even with a weak schedule next year, BYU could still
upstage Utah's PAC 12 debut.After all of the hype, the meer thought
of a BYU team playing a cupcake home schedule could draw more national attention
than Utah playing a PAC 12 schedule has folks on the hill in a tizzy.
RE: Truth MachineDidn't misread the leaves at all. The reference as to
FUTURE games with Utah.When defending a weak 2011 schedule, Cougar
fans say 4 "big name teams" will prove their case to the nation:
Oregon State, Texas, Utah, Ole Miss.For strength of schedule, they
have to hope those big names do well. They have to hope Ole Miss gets out of
the SEC cellar. They have to hope Texas becomes bowl eligible again. They have
to hope that Utah is not a Pac 12 bottom feeder (THAT's a hard pill to swallow,
Oh, come on Moderate...Utahns hope the U does well, but what is
reality.Utah was exposed after climbing to #5.And how
will Utah have the money (or the need) to expand the facilities for a larger
stadium?Without the "easy" schedule, and BYU coming to
town, would they have needed a bigger facility than RES?How would
they have financed the previous expansion of RES without Olympic money?HC is selling 1/3 out as we speak.And with the Utah State
education budget, where will they get the money for further expansion?My daughters' tuition?The hard pill is making Utah into a bigger
thing than they actually are.How many MWC titles did Utah win last
year?Do you really think that Utah will ever eclipse BYU in Utah?Uteology, who sells the tickets (oh wait, you live in Texas...
nevermind.)Simple "fact" (not selective stat)...UofU
will always be UofU...BYU will always be BYU...And the supply
and demand in Utah is for BYU, the recruits in Utah want BYU. For the better
education, kids go to BYU.Whine all you want, Utah can never be
It really doesn't matter about Next year's Independant BYU Schedule or whether
or not Broncho is coaching the Defense instead of being a Head Coach. The
breakdown that will keep this team from acheiving real success or greatness is
going to be the offense that hasn't got a Coordinator that knows how to pick
apart and run Multiple pass routes through even a basically competent Pass
Defense. Without capitalizing on the heavy passing and receiving talent that
this team has,BYU will continue to struggle... and waste the talent that is
there by not having someone who knows how to develop it. The obvious is right
in front of them ...but they just don't seem to want to see it.
Pretty good variety of conferences in the 2011 schedule. BYU will play the Big
12 (Texas), the Pac-12 (Utah and Oregon State), the Southeastern Conference (Ole
Miss), Conference USA (Central Florida), the Big Sky (Idaho State) and the
Western Athletic Conference (Utah State, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State,
Hawaii, San Jose State and Idaho).I know some of these teams arent exactly
powerhouses or very good teams but I think Holmoe did a great job in short
amount of time putting together this schedule and its only gonna get better in
the future. I personally like that BYU can span their schedule over a variety
Uteology, we need more selective facts, or we think BYU is going to own you.Can you give us a couple more?
@Veritas Aequitas My dear friend why don't you prove me that my
"selective" facts are wrong.Name the non-conference team
BYU has beat that was ranked in the final polls since 1996?Name the
year where BYU beat 3 BCS teams on the road?Name the defense with 5+
wins this year were Heaps went on the road and put more 16 points?These facts with the fact the BYU will play 3 BCS teams Ole Miss, Texas, and
Oregon State on the road would seem to suggest that the probability of BYU going
undefeated is closer to zero then one. Could they, sure if "magic
happens".I'll be patiently waiting for you to prove me wrong,
and why you think BYU will be undefeated next year.@Truth MachineThank you but the original post wasn't about Utah it was about BYU going
undefeated.Please get out of the 80s your team hasn't finished in
the top 10 since 1996 and you are no longer producing greats like Steve Young.
max Hall was your winning-est QB yet plays 3rd string.
"Whine all you want, Utah can never be BYU..."---------That's true... with our better players we've finished #2 and #4 while
BYU can't even make the top 10 with their best players at QB, RB, and TE.According to Scouts over the last 10 years the mid-majors class rankings
are:1. BYU 46.672. Utah 68.223. TCU 70.784. Boise
72.11So, that research shows it is BYU who has the best recruits.
Hold it gets better...NFL talent drafted over the same period:1. Utah 272. TCU 243. BYU 204. Boise 12Sure you have a 1980 NC and all those individual awards, but really how does
that help you today or tomorrow since you haven't done anything better then
Utah, TCU, and Boise on the national stage since 1996?
UteologyAnd with all that Utah talent,BYU still finished
in the Top 25 more often than Utah during the last decade.BYU 5Utah 4College seasons are judged by how well the team performs,
NOT, by how many drafts picks played for them.Last year, Oklahoma
had THREE of the FIRST FOUR picks in the draft.BYU 14Oklahoma
13Last year, Utah had the most players drafted in Utah historyBYU 26Utah 23You're big on analyzing minutia, but
lacking in seeing the big picture.Final Rankings#12 BYU#18 Utahur Oklahoma
@senic viewSo what, Alabama also has 4 rankings vs. BYU's 5.Are you saying you've been more succesfll then Bama on the national
stage.The big picture is that in the 80s you produced greats like
Steve Young to undrafted 3rd string QBs. Over the same period you went from
being the dominate mid-major to being over taken by Utah, TCU, and Boise.Spin it how ever you want but since 1996 you haven't finished in the top
10 while TCU (4), Boise (3), and Utah (2) has.
That schedule is really daunting! Goodness gracious, in the words of John
Wooden. Unbelievable. This is a WAC schedule. What are we now, Utah State?
Playing a couple of real teams with the dregs thrown in. How are the fans going
to keep awake watching these patsies? Thirteen games huh? Wow. This could
assure a passing yardage record if the Cougars had any receivers.The
local high games should create more interest next year than Cougartown. How
awful can it get?
UteologyAlabama won a national championship and a Heisman.What has Utah ever won on a national scale?No national
championships; no Heismans; no national individual awards of any kind, EVER, in
Utah's entire history. And not a single Utah player in the college football Hall
of Fame.It's not just a matter of recent history; the fact is Utah
has no history other than its recent history.BYU didn't finish in
the Top 10, but the Cougars did finish in the Top 15 THREE times, in the last
four years.That's as many times in four years, as Utah has managed
since 1964. Even in a rebuilding year, BYU still outplayed a once
Top 5 Utah team, on Utah's home field.Spin it however you want to,
but ESPN wouldn't be signing an 8-year contract to televise multiple BYU games
every year, if BYU wasn't still very relevant in college football on a national