Class B and Class C misdemeaners mean absolutely nothing among the illegal
population. Heck, they're committing a few misdeamers just to come here! This
bill does nothing to deter illegal immigration--it does nothing to make it
"difficult to live in the shadows" in Utah.The only
difference between status quo and the passing of this bill is asking illegals to
carry a work permit or they'll get a spanking.Businesses aren't
encouraged to pursue this work permit. Heck, businesses will still prefer to
avoid this permit, and do business under the table. So who will pursue a work
permit? Very few. This is a miserable failure of thought.
This, and any other attempts to legislate illegal activity should be rejected.
Shame on community leaders who won't stand up for what's legal, and right.
Bad, very bad idea.This is a back door amnesty scheme, where
illegals get a card to show they are "an approved illegal"
immigrant.I hope the legislature rejects this plan and instead votes
for Rep. Steve Sandstrom's bill to help enforce our border security and
immigration laws.Legal immigrants are welcome, but illegals are not!
Rep. Steve Sandstrom's bill is the way to go. Tell your Legislator you expect
him/her to support Sandstrom or they will be voted out of office. Let's clean up
the Illegal problem now and put Americans back to work.
The Federal government already has a guest worker program. A business has to
sponsor them, and prove to the government that no Americans will do the job. State laws cannot exceed Federal laws. Arizona's law was a mirror of
existing Federal laws (that are not enforced).This law exceeds
Federal law by bypassing the requirements of guest worker program. With all the complaining about immigration being Federal responsibility, how
can they change their stand so completely? A person who comes here
illegally and work, commits a felony. Will this just count the illegal activity
in their old country?
OK Deseret News, so you won't print all of my comments, maybe you'll print part
of them now that the story is 7 hours old, and you're about to 'pull' the story
anyway!"Illegal immigrants would have to obtain a state-issued
permit..."!! What part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT is it that you don't
understand?Sorry, but this is absolutely ridiculous. First they say we
shouldn't be making any laws that the Federal Government is supposed (?) to be
in charge of, now they want us to accept the fact that they're here illegally
and that we should give them a State Permit to remain here illegally!You
want "accountability" Robles? Have those here illegally be accountable
for their illegal actions by sending them back to their homeland and families.
Very bad and unconstitutional idea that will never fly. Utah nor any state can
grant permissions or legalize illegal aliens or give illegal aliens an ID or
permit them to be in this country. Only the federal government can't grant
permission and give green cards to foreign nationals. This state legislation is
way out of line even considering this act of defiance to federal immigration
laws. The state can fine and act on business that violate labor laws
and employ illegal aliens and should act to enforce laws employers are
violating. In violating federal labor laws, these employers are also committing
tax fraud and evasion, which the legislators should be very concerned about.
Billions of taxable dollars are being funneled out of the country and past
taxation by collusion with illegal alien employees and the employers. Want to balance the state budget, tax employers and illegal aliens.
I don't think the Utah legislator is allowed to grant work permits for the
Taliban or any other criminal in this country. That is a violation of
immigrtaion laws. Besides, an 'illegal immigrant' is not a legal connotation,
its a deceptive description of illegal foreign national. You cannot
be an illegal alien and an immigrant, its impossible with out laws. An immigrant
is documented, an illegal alien occupying, looting, and pilfering this country
is not an immigrant. They are a criminal economic terrorist, something that
immigration laws are supposed to prevent.So if the legislators wake
up and read the current laws they will drop this green card from the state
proposals. However, punishing and criminalizing employer violations of federal
labor and immigration laws is permissible.
Why are our elected officials even considering laws to aid and abet illegals?
Giving legal sanction to aliens who invade our country is immoral. Sen. Robles,
do the right thing and scrap this lame attempt to subvert the laws of the land.
Maybe, you can explain your ulterior motives in this legislation.
This article outlines a worthy legal compromise. Regardless of our citizenship,
we all need some form of ID to work and drive in the state. This would make the
illegal problem more manageable and allow law enforcement the ability to
distinguish between those maliciously attempting to circumvent the law and those
who have lawful intent. It would save our state and country a lot of
expense to legalize this workforce, rather than go through the costly and
overtly destructive effort of extracting them from the population. Give the
illegal immigrants of the state a legal course of action. Help them come out of
the shadows, and let's stop blaming other groups--but allow each individual a
chance to take responsibility for their status.
In the history of bad ideas this one takes the prize. It is nothing less than
saying " here is a permit to break the law and we will look the other
way". Robles and others are living in denial about illegal immigration, it
is what it is,,, breaking the law to the detriment of others. Granting
permission to an illegal to take a job legally from a legal resident is an
outrageous concept, they couldn't possibly have thought about this one longer
than about five minutes. The Sandstrom bill is the answer, come here legally or
What makes these legislators promoting this think the immigrants will actually
be honest and register for this "program." This is still a
veil to get around their illegal status and stay in the United States of
America. This idea is like a sieve, or Swiss cheese. It has holes in it.Sandstrom's bill has the right idea. Any other kind of this type is
unacceptable. The new (suggestion) here does not change anything
one IOTA. The illegals work here still and why do they need our permission to
register and still be illegal? Makes NO sense.This is one of those
'spinning your wheels' kind of legislation effort. No traction to this idea.
Would not a criminal background check reveal that they have crossed an
international border illegally, and therefore are required to be deported ASAP?
I look forward to the federal lawsuit, complete with Mexico's input, if this law
passes - as it clearly overrides federal law. But, anyone wanna
bet that such a lawsuit would never happen? Why? Because this is
the type of law that Obama would clearly like to see as a way to grant amnesty
to millions and thus encourage millions more to come here illegally. And, I am confused, wasn't Robles elected by her constituents to represent
them? She sure seems to be going out of her way to represent illegals while
ignoring the people who elected her.
this IS amnesty by another name, and it stinks!those illegals who
chose to ignore it (should it pass) will STILL remain in the shadows - that's
how they've always lived and there is no real incentive for them to do
otherwise.this flawed proposal ENCOURAGES employers and illegals
alike to CONTINUE to violate federal laws.It's a bad, bad, bad, bad
I wonder if the authors of the bill even thught of other people besides
Mexicans. This bill makes it easy for Canadians and people from the
UK to come, pass the english part of the exam get a job and they are in the
country for ever.
Immoral, aiding and abetting, blah, blah, blah. Think about how we obtained
this country in the first place.
We need jobs for american citizens. We dont need amnesty. We need the illegals
gone and not bleeding the system dry.
This is not amnesty, it's taking responsibility. This bill goes a long way to
balancing the demands of justice with the mercy and compassion that all human
beings deserve.It helps bring people out of the shadows in an
accountable way.I applaud the Sutherland Institute's and Luz Roble's
With unemployment at 9.5% (and the real unemployment number being around 17%)
why would we want to add more people into the labor pool? This doesn't make
sense, we need to do just the opposite, enforce our immigration laws to open up
jobs for individuals who are entitled to them (ie citizens).
My opinion on immigration is that there probably should be a greatly expanded
guest worker program, coupled with stronger border security, stricter
enforcement, and a narrower interpretation of the 14th amendment (no
"anchor babies"). Having said that, it is a federal issue and any
state legislation would seem to be a waste of time. An AZ-type enforcement law
may serve some useful purpose in helping to force the issue of reform with the
federal government, but there could also be adverse practical consequences and
costs. So I would say to immigration advocates and opponents alike to drop any
state-level efforts and focus on reform at the federal level.
Help the illegals stay here. Bunk! Pass some laws that make it difficult to stay
here and they will self deport. I am so sick of these people that encourage
illegal activity. Call the legislatures and demand that some tough laws
rejecting illegals and their being here.
This is awesome. !
Nothing like a little hypocrisy. I'm pretty sure Luz Robles and Paul Mero are
among those who condemned the Arizona law because they claim it allows State and
local authorities to involve themselves with immigration law, which is a Federal
job.Now these same people want to have Utah legislate laws which
trump Federal policy and give special privileges to illegal aliens? It should
be a no brainer for Shurtleff to advise them that this is clearly
unconstitutional. In a sane world, the Federal government would
threaten to sue Utah over this for the same reasons they went after Arizona.
On the one hand Robles argues against the Sandstrom bill because it assumes
responsiblities supposedly reserved to the federal government. Now she says
it's okay for Utah to contravene federal law by running its own quasi-guest
worker program. It is inconsistent and doesn't make sense. However, I do agree with Senator-elect Mike Lee that the Constitution gives
States great latitude in making laws regarding legal and illegal immigrants.
Unfortunately, activist courts over the past 80 years have struck down local and
state practices and laws regulating immigrants (like laws restricting government
employment for non-citizens) that had been on the books from 1787 until the
WHAT??? MAking them less illegal???First of all!Make hiring
illegals punishable and enforce that!Second: Make a quest worker
program like all civilized countries have.Third: Realize that NOT
ALL who come to the US wish to stay! Historical FACT is that most came - and
went back. BUT the present system is impossible to handle.Germany has done well with their gast arbeiter program. NEVER
should the US allow illegals to benefit from their illegal past. The sad
thing is that the ones of us who stayed in the country LEGALLY were treated very
poorly by the US officials. As an example where a legal foreigner marries
and the system takes SEVEN years to clear her Green Card. - I know, because I
drove my daughter to the SLC office when she started the process. I
know there are millions who suffer, but they knew what was taking place when
they crossed the border, or over stayed their visas.
Why do otherwise kind and Christian people go so crazy when discussing illegal
immigrants? Most are looking for a better life for their family and are not
trying to be criminals. They have kids they take to school every day and they
probably serve you food in restaurants and clean and build your homes. I have
lived all over the US- New England, Southwest, East, West and they want what we
all want.The brightest illegal kids graduate high school and go to
college without student loans or grants. They get masters degrees waiting for
the DREAM act to pass. Many have never gone to school in their native country
and write only English. There's no "line" for them to get into to be
able to work an participate here. What do we expect- it would be like sending
our kids back to Denmark or England. They don't fit there and we won't let them
fit here either. In the case of Mexico, their problems are caused,
in part, by US gun laws and US drug addicts paying narcoterrorists for drugs.
We are not without fault- we shouldn't be so eager to cast stones.
Lots of opinions, not many realistic solutions.Here in AZ, SB1070 failed
for a number of reasons.Obviously, demanding to ship out all illegals will
also fail based on 100+ years of history.When our country's constitution
was written along with the bill of rights, everyone who represented their state
had to be willing to adjust & accept ideas that weren't in line with their
desires or beliefs.Slavery was among those touchy issues.If some
variation of these bills currently being proposed, would require companies to
tax the immigrants and charge for health benefits, then it begins to take away
at least some of the issues thatanger alot of people in the US.And,
the commission of any serious crime would result in immediate deportation and
loss of future rights to return.Additionally, the borders would have to be
completely controlled, which the Arizona law did little to address this.But again, to just sit at our computors and yell "ship em all back to
Mexico" is among the least viable solutions. It's not going to happen!
Rep. Robles - "All applicants would undergo a criminal background
check."Item 1: Entered US without permission. . . check!Item 2: Stayed in US without permission . . . check!Item 3: Grafting
off US governmental services and economy. . . check! OOPS, that's not a
criminal offenses, lots of US citizens do that every day, but what the heck.NOW- The next time I shear or see the term "Undocumented
Immigrant" I'm going to hurl. . . Nobody is willing to call a spade a
spade. Tip toe around the issue. Luz Robles isn't about to look like she is
upsetting the apple cart of her hispanic supporters though.This
proposed bill will NEVER fly. It comes down to 4 words. . . "You Can't Do
This is exciting news. Finally, a safe place for us "good"
undocumented immigrants to come to. Finally, I do not have to live in fear.
Now, I can work just like all of you. I am telling all of my friends and
cousins that Utah will be their best bet to live in safety. Soon, they will all
come, and we can all be friends and work together.
This is a good bill in that it should pass Constitutional muster.Of
course no matter what the state does would effect what the feds do. This merely
outlines what the state will not do. If these people have a permit the state
will not cooperate in deporting them.Its probably a good idea to
have them documented so far as the state is concerned. Good for them good for
Immigrants "want to be a part of something". Ok, go back to Mexico and
be a part of building that country and throw the drug dealers out, there is
something to be a part of. " You want "accountability"? How about
demonstrating that you can obey the law and be self sustaining before you crash
through the border to come here? You want to "come out of the
shadows"? How about going home and applying to come here legally with
documents that allow you to be here? Yapias and Robles are quickly becoming the
King and Queen of comedy in Utah, in any case they need their hearing checked,
no one wants what they are pedaling in any of the various forms they continue to
try and package it.
I say pass the bill!!Then when the illegals show up to apply for the
permit, arrest them and deport them then and there!!!
I don't buy the argument that illegal immigrants are harming the US economy.
Economic prosperity is a function of improving productivity which is a function
of training people for higher-skilled jobs. Forcing higher-skilled US citizens
to take low-skill low-wage jobs, even if it were possible, would merely
substitute underemployment for unemployment and not really improve the economy.
An artificially low limit on guest workers is working against the free market.
The illegal immigrants are meeting a genuine market demand, plain and simple.
However, we do need to eliminate false economic incentives to hire illegals
(e.g. tax evasion). That's why a guest worker program is needed to bring them
out of the shadows, and allow the free market to determine the appropriate
number without distortion. But the federal government and not the state is where
the problem needs to be addressed.
Notice that this bill mocks and renders practically meaningless, for most
practical intents and purposes, the very notion of U.S. Citizenship. It
essentially grants blanket Amnesty to virtually all illegals who already are
here, and opens wide the floodgates to more not yet here. Notice
that if one were to consider the logical potential of the Mero-Robles bill,
illegals would, in fact, be allowed to take EVERY single job in America, and put
EVERY single American out of work. That is true! Read the article carefully!
This is the sacrifice Robles is willing to make for her people, the
Mexican people, and that Mero is willing to make for virtually unlimited, cheap,
NON-CITIZEN labor. Mark Willes, you may not like what I have said.
But this is an opinion forum and the above is my reasonable opinion. Shame on
you if you delete it.
There is much inconsistent thought on both extremes of this issue. Utah should
not be passing its own immigration laws whether enforcement related, as in
Sandstrom's bill, or benefit side legislation as this proposal seems to be.
Interestingly, there is merit in both proposals but they won't work in
reality.Sandstrom's bill seeks to do what is already available under
federal law. Local law enforcement can already participate in enforcment efforts
through 287-G and secure communities. Only two Utah counties have done so,
perhaps because of the cost of training local officers & holding facilities.
Sandstrom's bill is also an "unfunded mandate" from the state to cash
strapped local governments.On the benefit side, any state based
program similar to a guest worker program will encourage undocumented workers to
come to Utah in search of employment. While this may be good for Utah's economy
it will have unintended consequences.The fact is, Congress needs to
get courage and take the lead with comprehensive reform. States definately have
a role to play, but they should not and cannot direct the national policy on
immigration. Real and effective change will not be easy or popular.
I'm curious as to how this proposel would change anything. All this does is add
fuel to the fire. It will never get off the ground. So what's Luz and Paul's
motivation here? Trying to look good to their constituants? Just another program
that would divert resources away from worthy programs and one that will be
preverted and abused in a short time by those coming to this country illegally.
What a joke!
This is at least a bill that has some sense to it.Truth is. The
Sandstrom bill is a police state bill. He has an kind of a wierd hatred of
illegals. His bill has no common sense. No problem solving and no forgivness.
The Mormon Church does not support Sandstroms bill.The
Catholic Church does not support Sandstroms bill.Sean Hannity
Zombies love Sandstroms bill.Deporting thousands of people from utah
economy is not good...its very bad for all of us.Sandstrom should
learn forgivness. He would be alot more happy if he would focus on fixing a
problem instead of creating more of a problem.Robles, good job.
Sadly, the good folk that are balanced and support what you are doing don't
speak up. The truth is, Sanstrom and many of his talk radio zombies will
never see anything other than their idea that mass deportation is the only
way.I feel sorry that people are so full of hate they will not give
people a 2nd chance. Its gotta be exhausting.Some day Sanstroms
bill bill be long gone. He will be viewed as the leader that failed to solve a
This is not about Americans or what we the citizens want. It's about public
policy, big business, political correctness and everything else that's evil.
We're the frog in the hot pot of water that gets hotter and hotter til it
reaches a boiling point. Shame on our legislators for even considering this
I wonder: does this bill only apply to hispanic illegal aliens or can my 100k
friends from Indonesia qualify also? I could invite 100k good workers from the
African continent who would make the hispanic workers (and all of us)seem WAY
OVERPAID.Did you have to have snuck across the southern desert to
qualify, or can you just come by ship?Is there a requirement that
the "applicants" MUST speak Spanish only?Now that I think
about it, why have ANY IMMIGRATION RULES at all?We should all just get
used to working for $1.10 per hour and open the borders to any and all who want
to come!I'm not sure who's going to pay for their medical, education, food
stamps, etc., but I'm sure the Obama administration will "work it
This is a good start, but it needs more teeth in it to insure compliance by
individuals and businesses. Of course, the state has the power to regulate the
work and residency requirements within its boundaries and this permitting
process does not usurp in any way the federal governments sole responsibility
for "naturalization". Permitting is a revenue raising and monitoring
process and that is all.
So all of you who are AGAINST this are basically admitting, you don't care
"why" someone is here illegally, it isn't that you are concerned with
the crimes being committed--you really are against anyone trying to live a
better life. And sometimes the Laws of our land our not appropriate...and you
can't see that. Too bad. I'm for helping those who are keeping our
laws...oh yeah, you think our current immigrations mess is fair to those who want to come...don't throw the "come legally" at
me... because under current law--it is all but impossible. Have some compassion
10% unemployement in this country, the worst economy since the great depression,
and my teenagers can't find entry level jobs, and the best idea these fools can
come up with is to attract more uneducated "undocumented workers" from
the third world to live and work here legally, and to further suck our ecomony
dry with the burden of their anchor babies. Can someone say
So let me get this straight. You want to reward people for breaking the law and
use tax payer monies to create a system for the to get a "permit"
which is still against the federal law, but we will look the other way?There is a system for this. It's called "LEGAL IMMIGRATION". To
reward those already here, and those that still want to come is crazy.I would like approximately $100,000.00 from my neighborhood bank. How about
issuing me a permit to go and take this money, as long as I get on the books and
tell you I'm going to go steal it.What is this country coming to....
@CWEBLaws of the land prohibiting bank robbers from robbing banks
are inappropriate. After all, they're only trying to seek a better life!
The Oboma administration is deporting more undocumented people than any other
administration in U.S. history. About 400,000 individualizes a year. ICE say
they are maxed out. If we continue the current policy and there are 11,000,000
undocumented people it will take us 28 year to deport them all. But since we
have jobs for these individuals that they do not have at home they will continue
to come. Deportation is not going to solve the problem. The other idea is to
make life miserable enough they will leave. That is not working because they are
hearing from relatives back home that as bad as it may get here, it is better
than going home. We can continue to do the impossible, makeing 2,000 miles of
border uncrossable. These ineffective solutions may get people elected and
raise peoples blood pressure, or we can recognize the good these people
contribute to our society and accept that we do not have a monopoly on being
human and that other people have value. Then work for solutions that can really
address this issue.
Didn't the Utah compact say that immigration is a Federal Issue, and the Federal
Government should take care of it?Isn't this law equal to Legalizing
Marijuana? The state can claim its legal, and won't do anything about it.
However, it is still against federal law.The Utah Compact is quite
clear when it says "Immigration is a federal policy issue between the U.S.
government and other countries not Utah and other countries." This bill
is in direct violation of the Utah Compact. The AZ law was more in line with
the Utah Compact because the bulk of it was just adopting Federal Law, whatever
it is or would become.Nothing outside of looking for a humane way of
shipping illegal immigrants back to their home countries should be looked at.
It is crazy to pass out pieces of paper to pretend illegal activity is not
really illegal.Maybe we should give bank robbers "unauthorized
withdrawal slips" to use in their undocumented work life.Drug
dealers might want to use certificates designating then "unauthorized
pharmacists" so they won't be hassled on the job. After all, they are just
trying to feed their families.No amnesty for criminals. Not now,
not ever! Shame on these politicians for even suggesting this scheme!
All this proposal does is to step in and fulfill the role of the federal
bureacracy. There is no reason why most of the illegal immigrants in this
country shouldn't have been able to come and stay here legally. The only thing
holding them up is the fact that the federal government cannot do its job and
process their paperwork fairly, accurately, and in a timely fashion. If state
governments want to step in defend these people from the evils of a bloated,
inefficient federal bureacracy, I say go right ahead. My fellow conservatives
need to pull their heads out of the sand and realize that the problem is not
illegal immigrants. The problem is the government that made them illegal in the
first place. Why are we so quick to demonize the BLM and the IRS, but suddenly
the federal government is competent, good, right, and just when it comes to INS?
Wake up. Are you really going to trust a federal bureacrat to tell you who is
and who isn't a legal immigrant? They've proven their ineptness. Don't take it
out on the victim.
cool....I am going to start a bus service from Mexico City to SLC....inviting
all who want to live and work in SLC to ride for free and fund it with federal
SBA money!....think of all the displaced workers we can squeeze out of their
current jobs!More white unemployed.....I love amnesty!
So, this bill gives people "permission" to break the law? No way!
The only question that seems to not be addressed here is will these illegal
aliens working American jobs be required to file state and federal tax returns?
Would some of you please contact your state legislators and ask them for the
definition of "ILLEGAL"! Apparently these highly educated reps no
"SAVVY. What a con job!
It does no good to collect tax money from illegal immigrants, then turn around
and pay twice that much in unemployment insurance to Americans out of work
because of their presence.
@ouisc 8:07 p.m."This bill does nothing to deter illegal
immigration-"It was not intended to deter illegal immigration.
It is intended to be one small, innocuous step toward eventual amnesty for
illegals.Proponents of the Robles bill and those who support amnesty
for illegals know full well that they must approach the issue carefully doing so
in multiple small steps so as to avoid awakening those who oppose illegal
immigration.I say, reject this bill and support the Sandstrom bill.
I'm calling my senators and representatives today.
This is wrong for the same reason the DPC is wrong: States do not determine
immigration status.You can't preempt federal authority to grant any
modicum of legal status.The litmus test is whether or not your recognition
of them is valid in other states.But it would allow them to work for slave
wages, buy our used cars, rent our rooms and fill our pews...which explains all
the support for this idea.
well of course these two think this bill is a good idea. they only think in
terms of race. they don't think in terms of right and wrong. your state is
making a big mistake with this idea, it's not a good one. if you can find them
to give them work permits and background checks, you can find them for
deportation and that is the right thing to do. too many people go to all the
work, time and money to come here the right way. the ones who come here the
wrong way should not be rewarded for it. it also encourages more of the same
behavior. i don't care if people come here legally at all.thats great, but i
don't want people sneaking in, screaming about all their supposed rights, not
giving a darn about responsibility and breaking the law.
@raybies:"This would make the illegal problem more manageable
and allow law enforcement the ability to distinguish between those maliciously
attempting to circumvent the law and those who have lawful intent."Too funny! Crossing the border illegally IS circumventing the law.
There is no 'lawful intent' in crossing the border illegally."It would save our state and country a lot of expense to legalize this
workforce, rather than go through the costly and overtly destructive effort of
extracting them from the population."If the laws of the land
were enforced it would not be that expensive to extract illegals and send them
home. Enforce E-verify and illegals will extract themselves and go home. No
jobs and they will leave. And, incidentally, we have 15 million Americans that
are unemployed. If illegals who hold jobs were to leave our unemployment rate
would return to normal levels and our economy would spring to life."Give the illegal immigrants of the state a legal course of
action."They have a legal course of action. Leave the country,
fill out the appropriate paperwork, then get in line... just like others who
would like to come to this country.
Robles legislature is just as deceiving as the Dream Act. Both are backdoor
Amnesty for illegal aliens. Please call our representatives and let them know
Utahns do not want illegals in this state.
@mickeymouse@if you can find them to give them work permits and
background checks, you can find them for deportation...""...too many people go to all the work, time and money to come here the
right way. the ones who come here the wrong way should not be rewarded for
it.""it also encourages more of the same
behavior."Three absolutely excellent points!!! Robles, are you
This is just a sugar-coated amnesty program. Illegal aliens should not be
allowed to reside in the U. S. period. If they want a work-permit, there is
already a process for that. Adopt Sandstrom's law and get this controversy over
with. NO AMNESTY or special privileges for illegals.
All of the Pharisees out there need to get off their Rameumptom. Very few of
you, if any, understand this on a personal level. As someone said earlier, it
is so easy to sit at your computer and revile against someone you don't
know--"Deport them all!" you say. Yet most of you continue to drive
over the speed limit, overestimate on your taxes, leave work early and count the
whole day, etc. You call them hypocrites? How about next time you get caught
speeding, they take away your license permanently as well as your car? Forget
driving school, paying the ticket, or community service. Take that you unlawful
illegal drivers! Yep, you sound just as ridiculous...
Just how naïve do Senator Robles and Paul Mero believe Utahans are? Lets
see, if one is here illegally and they are allow to be subject to a background
check then jump to the front of the immigration line and work in Utah without
any recourse of deportation, that constitutes clemency or amnesty for breaking a
federal immigration statute. Ms. Robles and Mr. Mero must have the
same learning disability as those who believed ObamaCare would save money or at
the very least be deficit neutral. November 2nd negates any notion of the Robles
bill and champions the Sandstrom bill.
@ Ron Hilton; Expanded guest worker program, you suggest. Do you realize that
beyond legal immigrant applicants, Congressional auto-pilot immigration
legislation admits approximately 1.2 million immigrants into the U.S. annually,
whether our industrial requirements are over or under loaded? These
numbers are not adjusted nor have they been lowered for years, only increased.
Just for perspective; that is roughly half the population of Utah entering the
U.S. per year and that does not included the legal guest worker programs,
foreign student visas, etc., then one can add the illegal alien flow, which
seems to have stalled over the past year and a half.
How about a permit called a LEGAL IMMIGRATION VISA. Stand in line at the US
Embassy in your home country. Problem solved.
This is a wonderful idea and it is overdue. My son has a friend who we didn't
know is undocumented. This friend grew up here. He didn't know he was
undocumented until he started trying to get jobs and then found out.Given that congress didn't pass the dream act, this is a welcome step in the
right direction.Cudos to visionaries in Utah.
re Viva la Migra | 9:24 a.m. Dec. 1, 2010 You need to re-examine
your logic : or rather the lack thereof.This law doesn't conflict
with federal law or the US Constitution in the least (unlike the Arizona law).
If the federal government wants to go after the undocumented they remain free to
do so.This law will impact only Utah authorities. Under this law
Utah authorities are to not interfere with the "federally
undocumented" or their employeers so long as these "federally
undocumented" have Utah documents.There is nothing in the US
constitution or US law which says states must enforce federal immigration law.
To "another perspective",This is a wonderful idea? Have
you been watching Shirley Temple movies all day? Are there any other laws you
want to issue permits to break? The logic here is so moronic that it is hard to
think anyone who graduated from junior high could actually believe this makes
sense on any level. This stupid idea sends out a message to the rest of the
Mexicans that are left down there to come on up to Utah and get a permit to
break the law. Did you actually think about this for longer than one minute?
It's incomprehensible the lengths that the state is allowing for illegal aliens
and Mexican nationals to confront and challenge the law of my country they are
not a part of. Has Utah secretly surrendered its territory to Mexico? If we were
on the coast with a port of entry these actions by Mexican nationals would be
called terrorism.Instead of wasting millions of dollars to supply
business of Utah with cheap illegal labor to force the american workers of a job
and livable pay, build the deportation camps and send them back to Mexico so we
can get on with being a Untied States of America. Stop trying to
violate state and federal laws and start enforcing them. We do not want the
illegal mexicans as our financial dependents and looters of America in Utah
anymore. Arizona, here we come, help is on the way. Stop hiding illegal aliens
in this state nag get some spine and backbone to listen to your constituents.
Just because the illegals were used as head count for political and education
funding does not alter the fact they are criminal invaders occupying the
territory of Utah. They are not constituents nor americans.
The Federal law that Arizona wants to enforce was written in 1940, not a good
time in American history for our treatment of individuals who happen to of been
different from us. The law has not been enforced since 1967. There are many old
laws on the books that we no longer enforce because our country has out grown
them. To say things like the law is the law and what part of illegal don't you
understand is really disingenuous. We need to be willing to look at this problem
realistically. This bill is a good start. The part about illegal that I don't
understand is why when I drive to work every day and exceed the speed limit am I
not illegal. Why when my neighbor barbeque's on the balcony of her apartment is
she not illegal. Why when my other neighbor tries a little to hard to get the
best deal on his tax return isn't he illegal. There are those who would like to
use the 1940 law to round up our present day Japaneses, and put them in camps
but I don't believe that is what most want to do.
Why the Sandstrom crowd believes that a pound of flesh is the answer to the
problem of undocumented immigration is puzzling. In my view their idea of the
law and their affected altruism are a sham and a con highly detrimental to our
state and our people.The Robles/Mero proposal is all that the
Sandstrom bill isn't: a wise and honest assessment of the situation, offering
prospects of a genuine solution.
This proposal still lacks the administration of medical testing and a federal
investigation into terrorist ties. It would be unwise to create an incentive
for (or even complacently allow) people to come here without being screened for
deadly diseases. The same goes for screenings for terrorist affiliations (which
do not necessarily show up on criminal background checks and require federal
intervention, which this bill tries to avoid).
Why is it that the same crowd who scream that immigration is a federal matter
anytime we talk of local enforcement then turn around and even suggest something
like a worker permit for illegal aliens?Local police routinely help
enforce federal laws including in areas like drugs, guns, environmental rules,
anti-discrimination, and so on. Indeed, State laws are often crafted that
mirror federal law in these areas specifically so local courts and prisons can
handle violations. But helping to enforce immigration laws is a bad thing?On the other hand, adopting a worker permit that essentially gives local
amnesty or sanctuary to violators of federal laws is now a good thing?Let me guess those who propose such nonsense are the same kind of people who
get very exercised if the State legislature attempts to protect enumerated
constitutional rights against excessive federal meddling with laws such as the
utah made firearms act.More liberal logic. Protecting the rights of
Utah's citizens to defend themselves is bad. But helping illegal aliens thwart
immigration laws is noble.
Dozens of comments, many of them very thoughtful and well written. But the
DesNew editorial staff tags as "editors' choice" two comments in favor
of amnesty.And the DesNews wonders why it is in financial trouble.
They are grossly out of touch with their target readership.Somehow I suspect this comment never makes it past the censors.