With BYU-UTAH it's pretty simple. BYU fans ask for it and Utah is willing to
give it back.Case in point - BYU fan tackling a Utah cheerleader.Cheerleader puts a couple of straight rights on to his nose. It'll be
this way for 100's of years.
While I do not want to place the blame all on the BYU side, as a graduate of
that school I would like to call for greater civility from those who support
that institution. Notre Dame is often cited as a great example of
sportsmanship. I had the privilege of seeing similar sportsmanship at
California Lutheran in Thousand Oaks. While our team lost a hard fought battle
that day, I have never felt better about a loss. Prior to the match, the
school's code of conduct was read out loud and it was followed. There was no
loud criticism of refs despite the inevitable difficult calls, our players were
not mocked, and the applause as we left the pitch seemed generous and genuine.
I wish that BYU which represents a group of Christians would institute such
Christian policies. How about it Tom Holmoe? Will you lead the charge? It
would, in my opinion, be the greatest legacy you could leave my alma mater.
How can this guy say it's not the players or the coaches. Has he forgot
Collie's idiotic claim that because he was attending BYU that he was living
right and that God blessed him over the Utes who were obviously not living
right. (forget the fact that more than half of Utah's team are LDS too).Or how could he forget Max Hall's "I hate everything about the
program, coaches, fans, players at the U" comment. I do agree
Norman. I went to the BYU v. Notre Dame game a few years ago and Notre Dame is
one classy school.
refer to President Uchtdorf's priesthood session talk and follow his council.
I salute Shakey Smithson of the Utes for coming to the defense of the Cougars
when a San Diego State announcer falsely claimed that BYU players commonly
uttered racial slurs on the field. That was an act of true sportsmanship. I also salute fans who accept a referee's correct call even if it is
against their team. Booing every call that goes against your team is a sign of
stupidity and a lack of sportsmanship. One reason I've enjoyed
listening to Ron Boone over the years is that he stood up for the officials when
they made a correct call. I've noticed that Matt Harpring often does the same
thing. We all should display good sportsmanship whenever our teams
are playing their chief rival.
Given their church affiliation, I've never understood why there isn't a
concerted institutional effort at BYU to be the most gracious and sportsmanlike
hosts in the country.
smithy,More self righteous behavior from up on the hill I see. What
Collie said is no different than any athlete pointing to the heavens after he
scores a touchdown, hits a home run, or makes a nice shot in basketball.Do you throw a fit when those all happen too? Or just when it's byu?Surely you've never met a yewt player or fan who professes his hate of
all things byu right?Again - self righteous holier than thou yewts.
Teddy,I recall claiming that I was better than anyone. If anything
you've shown how hyper-sensitive SOME BYU fans can be. Own up to it. Collie
took the self-righteous shot at the Utes and what Hall said (I noticed you
avoided that one altogether) makes him the poster child of poor-sportsman.
Also in 2009, U. coach Kyle Whittingham's wife and son got into a brief scuffle
with BYU fans.They didn't get into the scuffle, it was the Y fans
that jumped over and accosted them.
LT, Were you there? Did you see both sides? I am not defending I am just
simply asking the questions. There are many times that I have been accosted at
the U.... Just for wearing blue. Your one sided perspective is interesting but
if you weren't there then you really shouldn't have much to say on the matter.
If i remember correctly the perpetrator did have repercussions. I am sorry that
this happened to Mrs Whittingham.
@Smith9294Collie never mentioned his attending BYU, nor did he say he was
blessed over the Utes. This is a perfect example of opposing fans imposing
their opinion on the comments/actions of others. Louie Sakoda said the same
thing as Collie after his game winning field goal several years ago against
Oregon State. He said the wind was blowing all game long, then, just before his
kick, the flags stopped blowing. He credited it to God. You can't attack one and
not the other. Alex Smith and others have said very hateful things towards BYU
prior to Max Hall's inexcusable rant. But nothing was mentioned of those. No one
mentions that the Wittingham incident in Provo was instigated by their son
damaging someone's camera for taking pictures of their players after the loss.
I hope we can all return to pre-Urban Meyer civility. I hope Y fans never
use "Yewts", and U fans never copy OSU/Michigan by using
"TDS", etc. When people insult and yell at 70 year-old family members,
as I've personally seen, then everything needs to improve. Football truly is 5th
at best in priority.
There was nothing wrong with Collie's comments. Everyday in sports, athletes
give thanks to God believing that he blessed them to perform well. He didn't
say "because he was at BYU" or "blessed over the Utes" or
more than someone else. Too many people in this rivalry are too easily offended
and are looking for offense. I believe when I am living right I am blessed at
work and in life. That doesn't mean anyone I have success against is less
righteous or doesn't deserve blessings or any other incorrect assumption.
I'm a Utah grad and life-time BYU fan. I've attended most of the BYU-Utah games
played at both stadiums during the last 30 years and I've seen sportsmanlike and
boorish behavior by fans from both schools, but there's a certain hardcore
element of Utah fans that has gone way over the top.In 1990, while I
was a student at Utah, I attended the BYU-Utah game, arrived early dressed in my
BYU gear, and sat right in the middle of the student section. A few words were
spoken, but my wife and I never felt threatened.For "Harline is
still open", I was sitting in the middle of the Crimson Club being heckled
indirectly by one young Utah fan, but never felt threatened.In 2008,
I sat near the top of the East stands and had an obviously drunk Utah fan
standing with his back to the field screaming obscenities at the BYU fans
sitting behind him almost the entire game. He did physically assault an elderly
BYU passing him on the stairs.
I didn't feel personally threatened by the drunk Utah fan, but it was
uncomfortable.LaVell Edwards and Ron McBride were fiercely
competitive, but treated each other with respect, which was seen and emulated by
the fans.There is a very different feel to the atmosphere at RES now
than even a decade ago. Part of that can be traced to Urban Meyers.Urban with his "Team Down South" remarks and BYU logos in the
urinals introduced an element of disrepect into the rivalry that didn't exist
before, at least to the degree it does today.Most Utah fans aren't
like that, in fact, we had Utah fans around us at the 2008 game who were
embarrassed and apologized for the boorish behavior of the drunk Utah fan.I enjoy a good, spirited rivalry, but when fans become threatening and
abusive toward opposing fans, the behavior has crossed the line from friendly to
mean spirited.It is, afterall, only a game; it's supposed to be
fun.I'll be at the game in RES again this year. Hopefully the classy
Utah fans will speak up to help keep the boorish Utah fans under control.
SmithYou took what Collie said out of context and directed at
yourself like you are some kind of victim. He never said anything about Utah or
that because he was at BYU "magic happens." Don't put meaning into
Austin's comments that he didn't intend. Don't be so sensitive and look for
reasons to be offended.I think what Mike Middleton means is that
players and coaches at the U hold nothing against Collie or Hall for the
comments. Players at BYU don't hold it against Smith or Scallery for theirs.
Players on both sides have said stupid things but if the players on the teams
don't hold it against each other then why should we??Its fans like
you, on both sides, who hold on to stupid comments and use it as a reason to
hate a group of people and treat them poorly. Again if the players can respect
each other, why can't we?
Let's rise above this nonsense. The only way to make the rivalry more civil is
to just control your own thoughts and actions. Who cares if Collie thinks that
his righteous living made him more favorable to God? If you think that is
nonsense, why does it offend you? Who cares if some Ute fan hates the LDS
Church? If you are LDS and believe, some hater shouldn't affect your testimony -
just ignore it. There's a football game to be played and enjoyed. I
won't let some fan who has a shallow life prevent me from having a fun time.Go Utes!!!
Liberal Ted,Since I was there and saw what happened to the
Wittangham's I'll tell you what happened. His wife and daughter were on the
field after the game. His daughter was crying and an immature BYU fan took a
picture of her with his cell phone. Someone tried to take the BYU fans phone
away from him and a scuffle that lasted a couple seconds broke out when he
refused to give up his phone. Someone elbowed Mrs Wittingham unintentionally.
She was never a target and was not accosted as you claim.What I
still can't understand is why were they on the field immediately after the game
while thousands of fans were trying to get onto the field? They had seats on the
front row behind the Utah bench, why did they leave them?I feel bad
some stupid BYU fan thought it would be funny to take a picture of their crying
daughter but I don't understand why they didn't stay in the stands where they
Here we are reading comments about being more civil and the comments are all
bashing. I will admit, I have joined the fun of trash talking. The fact is, both
schools have loser fans and players. People do stupid things. Start with
yourself and then ask others to change.Go UTES!!!
Liberal Ted,Y fans did not "jump" Mrs. Whittingham and her son.
Please refer back to the news articles at the time. In summary, a Y
fan was supposedly taking pictures with his Blackberry of the dejected Utah
players as they left the field. A member of the Utah sideline staff (some say it
was one of Coach Whittingham's sons) apparently objected to this and grabbed the
Y fan's Blackberry and either threw it into the stands, or pretended to. The Y
fan and the Ute staffer got into a scuffle in proximity to Mrs. Whittingham, and
she was inadvertently (even according to her) struck or tussled as part of the
adjacent altercation.Sorry to ruin your story; however, I've learned
through the years that those who wish to believe outrageous stories about their
rivals don't let the truth get in the way.
Liberal Ted,As far as the scuffle with KWittingham's wife. A utah
fan didn't like that a BYU fan was taking pictures of the win and so he threw
his cell phone on the field. Look it up, there are police records and ksl
reported it. Making up stories to support your point of view only perpetuates
the bad blood.
I moved out of state in 1999 and have noticed that The Holy War does not get
much press or conversation outside of the Beehive State.
oh smithy," I recall claiming that I was better than
anyone."I'm assuming you meant to have a "never" in
there but sometimes when hatred for all things byu takes over I've noticed you
yewties forget words. Yes, I didnt bring up the Max things because
it's a lame point. I noticed you didn't bring up alex smith(who's had a
tremendous career as a #1 pick by the way) or morgan scalley who had comments
not that different from Max's. Yes, Max's went a bit farther but the point was
the same.Yep - more self righteousness yewties
Oh boy the fans are more self righteous than anyone on both these teams. Get
over yourselves! Do you think God cares at all about football and favors one
team over the other? Do you think he favors you more cause you go to a specific
university? Honestly dont bring the church into this its a stupid football game.
Its great that both teams have standards and values they dont have to like each
other but I am pretty sure they respect each other and dont do dumb stuff the
fan bases do.Why does everyone care what the players have said in the past
do you really take Hall seriously? He is not the spokesman for byu if anything
he is the opposite for what they stand for with those comments. Anyways here is
hoping for a good game and a big Ute win!!!
In the late 80's I was attending the "U" as a freshman and staying in
the dorms. I was then, and contiune to be, a huge "Y" fan. There
were several "U" freshman football players that also lived on the same
floor, and in the same dorms as me.The week leading up to the game,
we decided to have our own pre-game game in the hallway. I was the
"Y" and they were obviously the "U". And, obviously, since
they were much bigger than me and out numbered me, they won. However, it was
done in fun and I think we had a good time. No one was injured. No words of
anger or insult were exchanged, although we did partake in some good natured
ribbing. There is no reason fans or players of either team need to take matters
beyond that either.
What's this, another article about "civility" in the rivalry? This is like beating a dead horse, similar to what Utah will do to BYU
this weekend.Go Utes!!
Thanks for the articles on civility you're publishing; they are much needed and
Will Max Hall be in attendance rooting on his alma mater?
The "Y" is too self righteous, and the "U" gets too drunk.
Maybe if the Y toned down their piety a peg, and the U fans quit drinking
brewskys like college frat boys at a kegger, the stands would be more civil.Before people jump all over me, I attended neither school, root for the
"U" becuase the mere thought of going down to Provo makes me twitchy,
and you have to admit, usually the "U" fans who are being the most
obnoxious have been drinking the hardest.
Howard,What a joke dude. If you're LDS I'm seriously disappointed.
If you're not let me clue you in. Not going to BYU is hardly a free pass for
any Mormon to act as they please. Those who go to BYU should feel
they represent the Church but guess what SO SHOULD THE MORMON YEWTIES. And if you're not LDS, it's pretty pathetic to bash on byu and what byu
stands for(please no self righteousness pretending you don't do this) and then
demand that all people who go to byu live up to whatever higher standard to like
to bash in the first place.Grow up dude. You're like the 4 year old
kid who thinks he can hit his older brother because his older brother is 6.
I do know this. Cyberspace has made the rivalry much more intense. It seems
people feel free enough to say whatever they want without worrying about being
polite or truthful. The majority of these comments about another's school are
misleading, judgmental and boorish. Too much hate on both sides. Trust me.
I have only 2 issues with this rivalry... 1) it being called the holy war &
2) BYU fans.I'm looking forward to a great game on Saturday &
hope LSU stomps a mudhole in Arkansas and walks it dry.