I find it amazing that Carl Wimmer won't stay and vote where his conscience says
he should. He must be going out on behalf of the Patrick Henry Caucus. Give me
my speaking engagement fee or give me death.
Representative Wimmer should stay home and vote. If he feels this strongly about
the issue stay home, vote it...lead the charge. But he won't. It is better to
take a posture than to put your money, and your vote, where your mouth is.
Please help us!I do not want the Utah GOP speaking for me, I do not
want any more state rights that this state would support. We need more federal
government to save the sane populations of Utah, (maybe some of those unstable
conservatives too).Every few years there is a state-up-rising about
state rights, (states get upset when the Federal government tries to help them
see the light); the civil war, equal rights for all are some of the examples
that come to mind.Some of our Utah conservatives will destroy before
they admit they are wrong.
Bravo to the Republicans in the Legislature for being concerned about this
scheme.The best thing we can do for our kids is to not saddle them
with another $100 million in debt (plus interest)! Too bad the Democrats cannot
see that.It is wrong for Utah to give in to the forced spending of
money, and even more wrong for the feds to usurp the state's rights by going
behind the Legislature's back and giving money direct to districts.Stop the spending! We cannot afford it!
I say it's high time to take a political stand at the the expense of our
children. Bravo, GOP legislators!
Correct me if I am wrong, but as I read it, it sounds like the state planned on
accepting the federal funds anyway? So are they just mad that the feds said they
will send the money direct to the districts to spend if the state decides it
won't accept the funds, even though Utah is planning to accept the funds?
The very sad part of this whole mess is that our state legislature has put us in
the predicament. If they wouldn't have been so "tax-cut" happy a few
years back when times were good, we could be on solid ground for education
funding. Now instead we have to act like a whiny brat saying we'll take the
money but we won't like it.Even sadder is the feds see what a mess
our education funding is in so they draft a proposal that has to completely side
step our state legislature because they know the "conservatives" would
find some way to divert the money away from our school children like they ALWAYS
do.To those saying we shouldn't take it, yes let's send our portion
back so they can give it to California so they can promote more of the liberal
agendas.We have no one to blame but ourselves for continuing to
elect these guys that think public education is the lowest of priorities. Roads
and tax cuts are more important. Not to mention mcmansions and SUVs.Pathetic.
If we hadn't cut so many taxes way back when? If you look at other states that
are going through massive budget mayhem it is precisely because they did NOT cut
taxes.Bare with me.All 50 states have a balanced budget
requirement, unlike the Federal government. By cutting taxes over the years Utah
did not increase spending. This means that now when tax receipts are much lower
we are having to cut spending far less than other states that grew government
during the robust years. They grew government when the people needed it the
least and are now paying for it big time. Many other states are having to cut
spending or raise taxes by billions!The irony of the Left (both
parties) there is no limit to growth in government. During good times, grow
government. In bad times, grow government. They feel that all money made is
governments to spend and only greedy people would deny the omnipotent government
the ability to spend, spend, spend.We are in tough times and the
rest of the world cuts spending, but the Left in America, Utah and the GOP
insist on more spending. It never ends for them! Never!
DN Subscriber, you say "The best thing we can do for our kids is to not
saddle them with another $100 million in debt (plus interest)! Too bad the
Democrats cannot see that."By youir logic, we should rapidly
outlaw all student loan programs. After all, if a little debt is not a good
exchange for a better education, then how can we justify letting kids take out
$30-100,000 in loans for a college education?Also, the magnitude of
this debt is small, $100 million spread across the 300 million people of this
country means that each person has a whopping 33cents to repay for keeping the
kids of Utah in smaller classes where they can get a better education. I'm
willing to pay a whole dollar!If you are talking about saddling kids
with debt, how about the $800 billion (8,000 times more debt) that was put on
them for a war in Iraq that was a farce. How about not extending tax cuts on the
richest 2% of our people that is going to require $700 billion (7,000 times more
than the 100 million you complain about).Which make a bigger
Thank you state legislators for trying to get the message to the Federal
government that this method of funding education is an obscene method of just
wasting money they do not have. GWB just a 100 million here and 100 million
there does not amount to much except that kind of thinking adds up to 13.5
Trillion in national debt. Could not agree more with you about the unnecessary
cost of an unnecessary war, but then our current administration has only
increased this problem with their Afghan initiative. Oh, please remember the
700 billion of the richest American's money is not an expenditure. It is an
unnecessary taking of money by an out of control federal government.
Typical Utah Republicans. They will take the $101,000,000 because they decided
to give tax cuts to Utahn's years back during good times, instead of saving for
the future. But they will pass a resolution saying they really don't want to
take the money.Hypocrites. Take it, or don't. Stop the political
games that this country is all to much about. Refuse the money, lay-off more
teachers, maybe close some schools, but at least stand by your principles. But
you won't, because it sounds much better to appear tough, rather than act it.
The "conservative" Utah legislature that is so routinely vilified by
some should be thanked for their fiscal responsibility that has made Utah the
best-managed state and spared us from the fiscal catastrophe that it facing the
likes of California and New York. I lived in the SF Bay Area for 20 years before
moving here 4 years ago. For those who think the political grass is greener over
there, go live there for a while and experience the dysfunctional economy
first-hand. I think you'll be more than happy to put up with a little occasional
"states-rights posturing" as you put it after experiencing the
alternative. As for the $101M in stimulus money, for the legislature to accept
it is a rubber-stamp at best, and at worst it makes the legislators complicit in
an unconstitutional expansion of federal power. And what do we do the following
year when the "stimulus" money is gone? Cut teacher headcount or pay?
Raise state income taxes? California, here we come!
So "Hellooo" if you say that the 700 billion "is an unneccessary
taking of money", what exactly would you cut to make up that $700 billion
dollars?Would you cut the defense budget, which was $533.8 billion
in 2010. That means a 15% cut would result in a savings of $800 billion and
offset those tax cuts completely.Oddly enough, the Republicans in
Congress steadfastly refuse to consider cuts to the defense budget, which makes
up over 20% of the budget.What next, do you want to cut your
parent's social security payments?Please be detailed and specific
about exactly what you would cut to make up the $700 billion in those
I have noticed they did not have a special session for the money from the
federal government for road construction. I wonder if is because the schools
don't provide under the table kickbacks?
GWB I am fine with a cut to the defense budget. I am sure there is least 30%
that can be cut from every budget in the federal government. And, I will even
take a 15% cut in my Soc. Security. It is simple to balance the federal budget,
estimate the income (they already do this) and make the expenditure fall within
this measure, minus 10% to make a payment toward lowering the debt. It isn't
that difficult to do, every one that balances their budget does it every day.
The Feds give the States the money to lessen the impact of the great recession
on education (as part of the stimulus). Education is one of the biggest expenses
that States face and nationwide most Americans are concerned with the direction
of school results long term. The money comes to the States to divide according
to each States individual needs and situations as long as they use it for
education. Now if Utah's legislators didn't have the limitation "it has to
go to education", what are the odds they would spend it that way even
though they give lip service to the need? Hence, the Feds say if you don't want
it to go to education, then we will bypass you and give it direct to school
districts' directly. What chutzpah to hold the States feet to the fire? I don't
see the problem there like I do in the hypocrites in our legislature. Many
thanks to the Federal government for saving us from ourselves!
On behalf of my children, thank you to those responsible for directing this
money to education. State legislators need to understand that undermining the
education of children with partisan politics is not a conservative thing to do.
Look at the meaning of the word: to conserve is to save and plan for the future.
Obtaining a high quality education is one of the best things a person can do to
plan for the future. Education investment is the same as saving money in a
bank. Please be conservative and support education in Utah.
It is just like the Republicans to "Bite the hand that feeds you" Why
did they not save up their own money over the years and not have this money
crisis. a bunch of toddlers in diapers that throw tantrums and suck their thumbs
when they can't have their way. they are the ones that got us into this mess
all by them selves for eight solid years.