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  • Arynen Midvale, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:06 a.m.

    "We've been doing the same thing every week. We haven't changed anything," said wide receiver Jereme Brooks. "But what we're doing right now isn't working."

    What you're doing right now, Utah, is entering in to your non-cupcake part of the schedule.

  • BYU_Greg South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:23 a.m.

    You state in the first line of the article that it was a "surprising" 28-3 loss to Notre Dame. I found it interesting that the announcer on the TV broadcast did not share that opinion. He clearly stated that the route was "not an upset" since Notre Dame had as good or better athletes. I found it interesting that no respect was given at all to the #14 ranking. Yet another reason that I think both Utah and BYU are making good decisions to leave the MWC - No respect generally. Both now can earn that respect in the future on their play on the field and not have to carry the rest of the conference on their backs (with TCU, who will be gone from the conference within 24 months.)

    Frankly, I am surprised the Utes stayed in at #24/#25 in the polls Sunday. With two brutal losses - one from a very good TCU team (But who CAN'T lose to them by 40 points?) and then an old fashioned beat down by a very poor ND who had their 3rd string QB in due to injuries?

    Count yourselves lucky to even be mentioned.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:29 a.m.

    Well Wynn how about when you run on a 3rd down you do NOT slide a yard short. If you want to win bad enough you shouldn't be sliding. I hope I am wrong about Wynn but he seems to be getting worse. First the 3 INTs with 2 in the end zone agaist Wyoming. Then at AFA couldn't put a drive togather to put away AF in the 4th. Then the ineptness vs TCU and Notre Dame.

  • bigutefan Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:58 a.m.

    Yes, fans are disappointed. But c'mon...Notre Dame had two weeks to prepare for us. Not one of those athlete's at Notre Dame would even consider playing for the Utes. While their record is not great, they had prep time and have the players to give the Utes a game. The Utes are still an emotional mess from the TCU disaster, but the sky is not falling. Two bad weekends, sure beats five bad weekends and another weekend with cheating in the review booth going on. The defense played well against the Irish, special teams and the offense gave Notre Dame three touchdowns. All this talk about how the Utes will fail in the PAC is a joke. Utah will be just fine, in fact, they will grow from this experience and be better. GO UTES!

  • FAYM Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 1:09 a.m.

    "This week, Utah is clinging precariously to national recognition."

    At least Lou Holtz believes in the Utes.

    Really, national recognition. Anyone else believe that line?
    ===

    ""We've been doing the same thing every week. We haven't changed anything," said wide receiver Jereme Brooks."

    I have been told the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over the same way and ecpect different results.

    How about changing a few things up?
    ===

    A little fire in your heart Kyle, and not the doe in the headlight look.

    You have one last chance. Bronco will own more MWC titles, but you can even the head to head.

    Stop saying you lost because TCU and ND are the best teams in the country, or great teams.

    ND is not. TCU is not.

    It was the Utes that lost to ND. So fix it.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 1:22 a.m.

    Nightmare from tcu, Nightmare II and now coming soon III. Are they awake yet?

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 3:56 a.m.

    After two weeks of poor offensive production, it is now officially a trend. It is time to start Cain, because "continuing to do the same thing every week" obviously isn't working. He might not get it done, but you should now be convinced that Wynn will definitely not get it done this week.

    Wynn could be good, but he needs to play every game like he did in last year's bowl win against Cal. Don't take ANYTHING for granted.

  • Infidel06 Colorado Springs, CO
    Nov. 15, 2010 4:12 a.m.

    I occasionally tangle with SEC fans and recount facts that I feel are indicitive of the annual fawning of the East Coast press establishment that lead to their frequently being over-rated and automatically and perennially being declared America's top football conference. In the past, SEC teams, comfortably overrated at the beginning of the season, have seen the greater falls from and out of polls completely, moreson than any other teams.

    While no fan of Utah, I have been a MWC supporter when it is MWC vs other conferences. Utah's rise to #5, with their best win being an OT wind over a now 5-4 Pitt team, and their subsequent fall to #25, with a good chance of falling out over the coming two weeks, equals Tennessee's fall from the polls (#5) in 2005, and may even eclipse Bama's fall in 2000 (preseason #3), thus undermining arguments agains the SEC's over-rated status.

    I don't really mourn Utah's losses, except when it comes to the tarnish that spreads by association...

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Nov. 15, 2010 6:10 a.m.

    Actually, Lou Holtz tore the Yewtes a new on Saturday evening after the ND loss. I believe he said they were fake.

    The week prior, before the game in SLC he claimed TCU should go to the NC game if they beat the TUN, but the TUN did not belong in the NC game if they beat TCU. Lou is not a fan of the TUN this year. He wants to see how the TUN will do next year in the PAC before he labels them a good football team.

    I still think the TUN will do very well in the PAC with the team they have today. Jordan Wynn is a good QB, I really hope the fans stay off of his back...support your players and team.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 15, 2010 6:50 a.m.

    Wynn:
    "I don't really know what the issues are. Something has to be done," Wynn said. "We have to change something and start heading in the right direction."

    Before leaving Notre Dame, Whittingham acknowledged that quarterback play is something that would be evaluated.

    Whittingham:
    "That's some place that we have to perform. I don't care what level of football you're at, that is a key position and you've got to have performance and production," he said. "And that's a couple of weeks in a row now we haven't been able to get as much as we needed to."

    Translation:
    Wynn is clueles and Whittingham has lost confidence in his chosen starter.

    Now the big decision:
    Will Whittingham pull the plug on Wynn and start Cain against SDSU, or will he roll the dice and stick with Utah's "future"?

    Either way, SDSU and BYU are both good enough to beat the Utes no matter who they start at QB.

    Utah is falling apart as rapidly as BYU is improving. And its much more than simply the level of competition.

  • Timp South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:03 a.m.

    Still can't believe Jordan Wynn slide a yard short on third down. That's the type of leader the Utes have?? I would have benched him right there.

    Cain should have been given a chance. Even if you felt Wynn wasn't the problem, going to Cain could have jump started the offense -

    Wynn needs to reexamine his heart and if he's not willing to put his head down and get a first down when his #14 ranked team is playing at Notre Dame then he shouldn't be a D1 QB. I bet his teammates who were giving it everything they had really appreciated that moment. One of the most pathetic displays of heart I have ever seen.. okay, rant over..

  • Tom Smith Sandy, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:21 a.m.

    When Utah found itself tumbling way behind in these games, Why the reluctance to insert Terrance Cain? Isn't this a no brainer?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:26 a.m.

    @bigutefan:

    Couldn't you come up with a longer list of excuses for your team's loss to ND???

    The "once mighty" utes are in a real bad tail spin, with some major second guessing going on. All of a sudden your once great QB is a "loser".

    The ND loss was critical, but the SDSU loss will be even more critical.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:29 a.m.

    I was at the game in South Bend. Very frustrating.

    KWhitt and the other coaches will have to play shrink this week because the Utes are a total head case. Who are the leaders of this team???? Someone, anyone needs to step up and demand accountability.

    Not sure Wynn has the mental strength to be a legit D1 quarterback.

    At what point do the Utes stop looking shell shocked and start playing in the moment!!!!!!!!!

    I cant believe Im saying this about a Whitt team - but the Utes are a mentally weak team..please prove me wrong.

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:41 a.m.

    It was a bad loss hopefully the Utes show up against San Diego. They can salvage there already good season with two good wins against SDSU and byu. The offense is struggling but I wouldnt worry the Utes I feel will finish strong. I figured they would struggle against ND but they got beat bad.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 8:04 a.m.

    They will be fine, hedgie. One game at a time...

  • Shawnm750 Lehi, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 8:05 a.m.

    I blame poor play calling for the loss to TCU, and partly Wynn's performance that day. But they players clearly hadn't shaken their loss to TCU when they played ND, and that's what killed us there. Central to that was Wynn, who is obviously getting less comfortable in the QB seat. I don't necessarily think he needs to be pulled altogether, but I think we need to be rotating Cain in more often to shake things up.

    As for the running game, we hardly ran the ball against TCU, but when we did, we had pretty good success. The coaching staff didn't adjust their strategy and it cost us dearly. I still believe we can finish the season out strong, but they really need to get it together!

    GO UTES!

  • HomerSimpson South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    Oh how the mighty have fallen! It is funny that when Utah was playing BYU's current teams (last 3 wins) at the first of the season, everyone (including me) was sure they were worthy of their ranking. OK #5 was high, but whatever.

    Now that they have actually played real teams (like BYU had to play to start the season) they are being exposed for what they are:

    OVER RATED (clap, clap, clap, clap) OVER RATED...

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 8:36 a.m.

    Still waiting for an in game adjustment. Eight quarters. Please ARod, you're looking like Anai, Jr.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 15, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    Kwhitt needs to look short term What QB gives the Utes the best chance to win THIS Saturday.

    If he feels its pretty much even then you have to go with Wynn once again. But if Wynn doesnt stand up and overwhelmingly prove his leadership and confidence I say go with Cain.

    What this would mean in the long term?..I dont know.

  • Zorro Bakersfield, CA
    Nov. 15, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    Do you think it could have anything to do with the first 8 opponents having a combined record of 13-36 prior to the TCU game? Real opponents expose the real team.

  • Aggie Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    I hate to boast about this, but I have been telling Utah fans all year that Wynn is not a good QB. Ute fans were trying to tell me I was crazy because at the time he had the 6th highest QB rating. Wynn is not a good QB. Any pressure at all he breaks down. He is scared to get hit, that is why he slides 1 yard short and throws off his back foot every time. T. Cain gives the Utes the best chance to win.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 15, 2010 9:10 a.m.

    @Tom Smith

    The reluctance to insert Cain has to do with him being a senior. Do you hand the reins over to a guy who has exactly 3 games left in his college career? Or do you stick with the guy who will likely be your starter next year? Cain might win a few games now, but then he's gone.

    I say play for the future. Use these last two games (and the bowl game) to get ready for PAC-12 play. If you don't think Wynn is the answer any more, then go with Robles. IMO Cain should be third string.

  • #1 Jazz Fan Springville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    You might want to check the defense too...

  • TheSpiker Alpine, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:04 a.m.

    It is amazing (after seeing the BYU mess with the 2 QB system) to read posts from U fans asking for the same thing.

    If Wynn is the problem, would it damage him for the future if he is benched now? You've got him for 2 more years.

  • cjf Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    "Wynn has completed 40-of-74 passes for 342 yards with two touchdowns and a pair of interceptions"

    While these are not great numbers, they are not bad necessarily neither.

    Utah's problems are all over the team: defense, offense, special teams, coaching, etc.. Jordan Wynn is taking too much of the criticism. Wynn's numbers were not a whole lot off last year from what his numbers have been these last two games.

    Unless Wynn has a disastrous game with San Diego, I say keep him in. Cain is good, but got benched last year for reasons. If the rest of the team can put it together, Wynn will improve remarkably.

    This is a team problem. Let's don't skew the blame on Wynn.

    Let's keep things rational.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:11 a.m.

    Having watched parts of the ND game. I would suggest that the Utes simply have played 2 well prepared teams, that understood how to attack the Utah offense and got a little help in the form of home cooking at ND.

    ND had 2 weeks to prepare for their D to carry their team. They stepped up. Of more concern is the scoring by a ND team with a 3rd string QB. Utah's D has not looked any better than their offense in the last 2 games.

    The bad news is that the Utes will play SDSU which has a very good offense and a decent D and BYU which now has a decent D and an improving offense.

    Both of those games are toss ups. It is not improbable that the Utes will lose one of them and possible they will lose both unless they start playing the way they did against ISU.

    The problems are on both sides of the ball. Wynn gets the heat but the O line got beat at ND. The running backs were not great. The D got tired (at best).

    Caine will not fix the OL or the passing attack.

  • Shawnm750 Lehi, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:14 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin - you make an excellent point, but I still maintain that they need to rotate Cain in for some plays and force opponents to adjust.

    @HomerSimpson - You know, BYU played Nevada at the beginning of the season like Utah did, and BYU still got killed, while Utah blew past them. The difference is that BYU's made adjustment, but the Utes are still struggling to make that happen. As for being overrated, you may be right, but BYU fans should know more about that than anyone...

    @Aggie Fan - You are right, that Cain would give us our best shot, but he's only going to be around for 3 more games. Wynn can be a good QB, but he's got to learn to perform under pressure. He's almost the exact opposite of Brian Johnson who seemed to play lousy when things were going fine and only seemed to step up when the pressure was on.

  • yankee doodle Layton, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    NC Utes 2010 "We've got 3 QB's who would be starting for any team in the state.
    Wait, make that 4, Shaky can throw too."

    Otis Spurlock "Congratulations Jordan Wynn! In today's ESPN College Quarterback Rankings, Jordan Wynn is the 6th best quarterback in the nation. Not too bad for a sophomore."

    Flying Ute "There's talking the talk and there's walking the walk. Wynn does it with his arm and not his mouth. When you consider he still doesn't have a full season of starts under his belt the future looks to be soaring for Jordan Wynn! Go Utes!!"

    Don't see many of those kind of of nonsense comments lately, wonder why? : )'

  • UtahManDan Providence, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:53 a.m.

    Over the last two weeks Ive read a lot of comments from so-called BYU fans that couldnt be happier about what has happened to Utah. What I cant understand is if these so-called fans believe that BYU is a good team, wouldnt they wish for BYU to play their last conference game against a good team, so that they could prove how good they are? Wouldnt it be a huge boost to BYU if they were to go up to RES and beat a top ranked team? What if BYU has got their act together? How can they showcase it now? By beating up on conference cupcakes like Wyoming, UNLV, Colorado State, New Mexico and now Utah? Is it that these so-called fans really arent confident in their team, that they need Utah to be weak so that they can have a chance? Or is it that the hate has smothered any rational thinking?

  • Barack Obama Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    Its not panic time yet. A loss to SDSU = panic time and SDSU ain't all that bad either so it could very well happen.

  • moodyblue77 Provo, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:16 a.m.

    The biggest difference between the first eight nand the last two is quality of opponent.

    TCU has crushed the Utes two years running (BYU three years running). There was no reasonable chance for them to beat TCU.

    In the history of football, only 11 teams have beaten Notre Dame in their first game in South Bend. The Utes had a less than 20 percent chance to win going in.

    Unreasonable expectations can drive fans crazy. Take a step back and enjoy 8 wins. Focus on SDSU.

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    The biggest problem is leadership. The team needs someone to step up to the plate and make some plays on the field. When the quarterback is willing to take a hit for a first down in game 10 of the season, then everyone on the team gets an emotional boost from it. I don't think Wynns stats are horrible, you can certainly win with a qb who has similar stats, but he has not demonstrated the leadership. When an O line jumps, two consecutive plays, get in their face. Wynn slid twice in the game when he could have dropped the non throwing shoulder and gained an extra yard and more importantly, showed his teamates he wanted to win.

    But, Utah does not have anyone on the team who is stepping up and making plays when they count. All successful teams have multiple players on both sides of theball that the team can count on to come up big when they need it. Utah does not have that right now.

  • Skyline Fan Holladay, Utah
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    Wynn has had a couple of bad games. Do you think it might be more Whittingham's fault. Fire the coach before you bench the quarterback.

  • Stockton to Malone Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:37 a.m.

    The frustrating thing isn't that the utes are losing, it's how they are losing. It's like the coaches are unwilling to make adjustments. Are they worried about hurting Wynn's feelings or something? If he is so mentally weak that you can't pull him, is he really the quarterback you want to lead you into the pac 12?

    Most pathetic play I've ever seen based on the circumstances was Wynn sliding on 3rd and 6 in the third quarter against notre dame. The team desperately needs a spark and you freaking slide?!! What a pansy. Grow a pair and get the first down. I'd like to ask Jerry Sloan what he thought about that play...

  • Aggie Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    @Shawnm750. You are right about Cain only having 3 more games. That to me would mean he would play with some serious heart, which Wynn doesn't have. Either the Utes play to win this year, or they stick with Wynn who shouldn't be the future it Utah wants to compete from here on out. Wynn doesn't have what it takes. Utah needs to find someone else.

    @Barack Obama. If you want anyone to take you serious, you should change your name, because Barack Obama is a joke in itself!

  • blauch Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:00 p.m.

    Utah really needs to play Cain to salvage this season. Next year is going to be bad for Utah

    Every Team in the PAC12 has talent equal or better than Air Force and San Diego State with 4 teams that have the talent of TCU - No more Cup cakes.

    Utah will lose Brooks, Shaky, Wide, and Asieta next season. Teams will double Matthews next year and Utah will have to rely on inexperienced receivers, new Running Backs, a depleted offensives line (who is currently struggling).

    I predict that Utah will be 7th or 8th the PAC 12 conference.

  • Ute Fan2 Draper, Ut
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:20 p.m.

    This Ute team has a lot of talented players. The problem isn't with the players but with the play. Whittingham is a great mid-level coach but will not make it in the Pac-12. You cannot run high school plays in the big league. A restructuring Notre Dame with 4 of their starters on injury ran circles around the Utes. Whittingham needs to go back to being the great defensive coach he knows how to be and let the head coaching duties go to someone that know how to play real college football!!!

    And for you BYU fans, grow up. You guys have a mediocre coach as well. Great players but mediocre coach. It will be a complete failure to go independent. At least in the MWC you had a schedule. You'll have a hard time being taken seriously by teams and find it hard to get a schedule.
    Ya'll need to get out of the Utah bubble and see what real college football is like.

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:26 p.m.

    You still have respect after back to back drubbings by your opponents. A ranking of 25 after that is generous. Now go to San Diego and earn it!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:35 p.m.

    Utah's year began with a tough win over a VERY over-hyped and over-rated Pitt team. That helped propel them as did their run through the easy part of the schedule. The only anomaly is the ISU beat down. Utah is now showing their true grit in the tougher part of the season. Now watch out for a tough San Diego State team and a BYU team on the climb.

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:37 p.m.

    Hey Ute Fan 2...

    Did you know that mr. Whittingham and Mr. Hill both praised BYU's decision to go independent? As an independent BYU and Utah continue to play each other for the forseeable future. Otherwise, with BYU tied to the MWC the annual rivalry would have died. And starting next year the games will be televisied Nationally.

  • UteGary Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:38 p.m.

    The offense and Wynn has concerned me over the last 3 games. Wynns slides and his inability to hit the right receivers, makes me wonder if hes hurt. His play reminds me of the 2nd half of the Pitt game. Wynn lost his confidence? The offensive play variety has become reduced, execution is not there and the play calling is getting to be predictable. Is there a problem with Wynn or are the coaches getting too timid? I went to the ND game because I thought we had a chance to win. No offense, too many penalties, 3 big mistakes on special teams cost us the game. A ND fan commented to me on the poor officiating, which contributed (and is normal with MWC officials), but we made too many mistakes.
    If Utah loses to SDSU & BYU they will most likely be tied with AFA for 4th. If they split, they tie for 2nd with the team they lose to. That wont meet expectations this year. Ill still be in the stands screaming and support the Utes, but we need to end the season, winning the last 2 games and our bowl game convincingly.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    I want Utah to bounce back and play well against BYU on the 27th. A win against a struggling Utah team would still be a win but it would be like the win USU had over BYU. If both had played to their potential, BYU would probably have won. I was happy for USU by the way and I pull for them every week so don't blast me for that comment.
    I want both teams to win this weekend and I want them both to play their best football on the 27th. I would love it if it were another close game decided on the last play.

  • Petey72 Layton, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    Skyline fan a coach who is 54-19 is dang good period. The qb rite now is accountable for 4 of those. I like Jordan but he isn't getting it done Cain is 9-1 he lost to a good duck team in autzen let Cain finish the yr he deserves it.

  • Cougs25 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 12:50 p.m.

    We all knew the Utes were overrated. It is no surprise. However, it is surprising just HOW overrated they were. I didn't think it was this bad.

    BYU seems to have a very legitimate shot in SLC. The Utes spoke too soon..... can't "peak" the second game of the season. UH OH......

  • Football Chic St. George, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    K Honestly I don't like the Utes but seriously I have no idea why people would say they don't have a shot of doing well in the Pac-12. The MWC has dominated the Pac-10 the last few years so to say Utah wont do well there is ridiculous. Second Whittingham is a good coach. You don't have a ranked team year after year and beat Alabama in a bowl game if you are a mediocre coach. That being said I hope they win next week against SDSU so that the victory BYU will have the following week will be all that much sweeter :)

  • Basement Dweller Prather, CA
    Nov. 15, 2010 1:32 p.m.

    Coach give me a call. My mom says I would be a better QB than Wynn or Cain. Afterwards maybe I can get my own apartment. Go Utes!

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 1:35 p.m.

    To all my fellow Ute Fans: STAY THE COURSE!

    The arm chair QB's and fair weather fans (that most likely never put on a girdle or bolied water for a mouthguard) need to take a step back from the ledge and wise up.

    This ain't KWhit's first rodeo. Sitting at 8-2 is a very good place to be. Trust me. Remember back in the day at Rice Stadium when we would have given anything to be sitting where we're at right now?

    In a season there will be high's & low's. Show some faith in the team and coaches and enjoy the ride. Remember: You should never base your life, or put too much trust on the shoulders of 20 year-old student athletes. I want to win just as much as the next Ute Fan, but c'mon people, show some fanship and STAY THE COURSE.

    Go UTES!

  • Ute Fan2 Draper, Ut
    Nov. 15, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    Salemite,
    What were Hill and Whittingham going to say? You think they would have said it's stupid? And as far as the nationally televised contract, Appalachia State was televised. So is Tulsa, it's all about what channel they're televised on. Without a storied past like Navy and ND have, there won't be the incentive for BCS teams to want to schedule BYU. BYU will be considered a tune-up team. BCS teams want to play teams that will bring an audiance with them. BYU's audience is small comparatively. BYU will play teams like Hawaii, Montana State, USU, and Idaho.
    Also, the BYU/Utah games would have still been played no matter which conference they were in. It's called non-conference games.

  • ediddy Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    @bigutefan:
    Sorry buddy, but comparing your team to the BYU team you so despise as a means of justifying your fall from grace is just pathetic. That BYU has had a poor showing does not make you look better. Something is wrong on the hill and you know it. I think the Utes are far better than the numbers show lately, but better fix it before it gets uglier.Wynn got shell shocked by TCU just like BYU did a couple years ago and hasn't recovered. Whitt should have got him out of there before they got in his head, but he didn't and I wonder if the kid will ever be the same again.

    Eating smack is a lot tougher than dishing it, isn't it?

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 2:31 p.m.

    @Shawnm750
    The Utes didn't play Nevada this year.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 2:46 p.m.

    "Without a storied past like Navy and ND have, there won't be the incentive for BCS teams to want to schedule BYU."

    Wishful thinking on the part of another BYU hater, but BYU's future schedule will be filled with home-and-home games with big name teams from across the country.

    Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and West Virginia all scheduled BYU within a month after BYU announced its independence.

    With ESPN as a scheduling partner, BYU won't have any trouble scheduling big name teams. The Cougars' biggest concern will be striking a balance between playing enough big name teams to make a statement, while still having enough winnable games, to stay competitive.

  • UtahManDan Providence, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 2:51 p.m.

    @MAFU

    I've checked out. I'm competitive and I don't see any fight in these kids. I can root for my team when they compete and play hard but I can't get excited about a team that lays down and dies.

    Jordan Wynn sliding a yard away from a first down is a perfect metaphor for how much pride and fight this team has. Not that he holds all the blame. There were plenty of pathetic mistakes to go along with his.

    If they can pull it together, great. But I think they're done. The TCU debacle damaged them. At this point there is nothing left to play for other than pride, and honestly I don't think they have any.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 2:57 p.m.

    Just to set the record straight:

    Utah played UNLV
    (University of Nevada Las Vegas)

    BYU played both UNLV
    (University of Nevada Las Vegas)
    and UNR (University of Nevada Reno)

    Both BYU and Utah easily handled UNLVUtah in the early part of the schedule, BYU in the latter.

    UNR ran roughshod over BYU in the early part of the schedule.

  • jazzer South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 3:27 p.m.

    Hey BYU fans listen up. Utah has 8 wins! you have no room to talk because you are .500 right now and beat the same teams we did. So for you to call us over rated at 5 is non sense. WE beat the teams we were supposted to have and with the help of all the other teams in the top 25 losing allowed us to move up. So if you have a problem with why we were ranked so high its cuz youre jealous of Utah. dont deny it and say that youre not. We will see you At RES and show you why WE ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE STATE,CONFERENCE AND WHY WE GOT INVITED TO THE PAC-10 INSTEAD OF YOU COUGARS.. ENOUGH SAID

  • --JEFFE-- Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 4:25 p.m.

    To all you Delusional Ute fans that think a good ND team showed up to beat you. That somehow their two weeks of preparation propelled them to a 28-3 massacre.
    Have any of you watched a ND game this year?

    They were beaten by both Navy and TULSA leading up to you.

    I am not saying ND does not have a good team, because they do. They have a better team than the Utes. But stop talking like that means anything. The Utes are WEAK. Western Michigan gave the Irish a better game than you. Some humility from the Utes would be nice. Actually acknowledging and accepting that they have been destroyed by two BETTER teams. The #5 ranking was a huge fluke. As Kirk Herstreit said sunday night. Utah was a fake team. Playing and beating up on cupcakes to make them look impressive.

    It's gonna be a long fall for the Utes. Losing 4 straight.

    SDSU-44
    Utah-20

    BYU-35
    Utah-31

    Mark that down.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 15, 2010 4:26 p.m.

    @HomerSimpson

    BYU was playing real teams like:
    Utah State 31 BYU 16

    Get a clue (clap, clap, clap, clap) then come back and post (clap, clap, clap, clap).

    @Aggie Fan | 11:40 a.m. Nov. 15, 2010
    "@Barack Obama. If you want anyone to take you serious, you should change your name, because Barack Obama is a joke in itself!"

    Speaking of joke, besides BYU (see above) who else takes Aggie football seriously.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Nov. 15, 2010 4:34 p.m.

    "WHY WE GOT INVITED TO THE PAC-10 INSTEAD OF YOU COUGARS"

    Isn't that a no-brainer? It has nothing to do with football. You'll know what I mean when you get a little older.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 4:58 p.m.

    I have to wonder if Utah is cut out for the week in and week out schedule of the PAC10 next year? It's one thing to play 2-3 tough games a year but next year there will be no rest. Each week they will have to be ready physically and emotionally with no cup cakes on the schedule. I doubt Colorado will win a game next year and I have to wonder if Utah is capable of finishing at least...in the middle of pac?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 15, 2010 5:42 p.m.

    All of a sudden we have a bunch of arm chair coaches. This is just the way football is.

    Back in the 1970's, the Dallas Cowboys played the L.A. Rams twice in three weeks. Both teams won big. Who knows if Notre Dame could beat the Utes next week if they played again or if Utah State would beat the Cougs.

  • wyoming cougar Green River, WY
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:01 p.m.

    Wow- are you kidding me? Some posters on here actually calling for the coach's job already. Things are not pretty in uteville.

    In the meantime, I will excitingly await the weekend when my 2 favorite teams (this weekend) will win big again- BYU over new mexico and sdsu (who I really don't like all that much) over utah.

    So- it sounds to me, also, that many of the ute fans who thought that BYU would gladly trade Heaps for wynn earlier in the year are now re-thinking their decision on that one also. I'm sure if you just look at the 3-4 cream-puffs on the schedule that made wynn the #6 qb in the country, Heaps would now be ranked higher. He started slow, but he's coming on strong (sorry, can't say that for your man).

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:09 p.m.

    Nice article Dirk, stating some very obvious facts: Utes play a bunch of patsies in between 2 very close games w/ Pitt and AFA, only to get shellacked against better competition. What I don't understand is why so many Ute fans sit there in bewilderment over the result of the last 2 debacles against ND and TCU. I for one thought for sure that they would beat Notre Dame...but since they fell flat on their face, makes me think that they'll lose big at SDSU, and most likely to BYU as well (based off of how close SDSU came on Saturday, and how well BYU (defensively played) 3 weeks ago, both on the road I might add.

    If I were a Ute fan, I would be very concerned right now, as to whether they win again this year :0( If they lose out, and end up playing in the New Mexico bowl, against either Fresno or Hawaii, who BTW have great offensive teams...Utah's LB corp is pretty sad, especially against a 3rd string true freshman, that made his first career start, and promptly connects on 3 TD's!! Scary times on the hill...

  • MichiganCoog Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:37 p.m.

    It sure appears that Utah and BYU's seasons are exact opposites...both losing big to their tough opponents, and beat-up their weak opponents. The only difference, is that BYU is peaking towards the end, vs. Utah's decline at the end. Yes, BYU lost 4 in a row, 3 of the 4 coming at the hands of ranked (or nearly ranked) opponents, all on the road...except for USU and Notre Dame, both crappy teams. Utah's couldn't have picked a worse time to fall on their collective faces, with a dangerous SDSU team that is 7-3, on the road, and a suddenly awesome BYU team that is licking their collective chops for a piece of Ute-hide, when both are preparing to make the jump to bigger and better things. Utes are on the decline, and lose many to graduation, where as BYU has virtually all of their skilled players on both sides of the ball returning...Oh how the winds of change come so abruptly! Nice to be a Coog, and dang uncertain to be a Ute...Looking forward to November 27th!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 8:41 p.m.

    BYU fan here...but I am not feeling confident about the upcoming BYU/Utah game. The same logic applies to BYU that is being applied to Utah. BYU played tough teams to start the season and really struggled because BYU is not a great team this year. Utah played weak opponents and had a good record...until they began playing tough opponents.

    It seems to me that BYU and Utah have both beat bad teams (except for BYU getting destroyed by Utah State) and have both been beat up by great teams. So where does that leave predictions for the BYU/Utah rivalry game?

    I hope BYU wins it and has 4 out of the last 5 under their belt. But I am not very confident. Just hoping.

  • Bo Jangles Meridian, ID
    Nov. 15, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    Whit,

    Play the QB that gives you the best chance to win this Saturday - not the one you think needs his ego protected for next season.

    Here is a direct quote from your starting QB "I don't really know what the issues are."

    Jordan is lost out there!

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:13 p.m.

    I am truly baffled at how uninspired and heartless Utah suddenly plays. You can talk all you want about Jordan Wynn, and in many ways i agree, but i completely blame the coaching staff for Utah's collapse. Something HAS TO change on the offensive coaching staff. I heard a quote recently from a tcu defender about how the defense knew what was coming every single play from the utah offense. That's insulting.

    In my opinion, not that it matters AT ALL, Utah should fire, or demote both co-offensive coordinators and bring in somebody who TRULY knows how to run the spread, and they should start Terrance Cain the final 2 games of the season. Guaranteed he wont do any worse than Wynn, and he might actually bring a spark and a run pressence to the offense. Not to mention it's his senior season. Might as well give him a shot.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:26 p.m.

    As for byu-Greg's first coment, I full heartedly agree, as a completely red blooded Ute fan, that Utah has NO business being ranked anymore. I think that they are getting Pac 12 respect since voters know they are gonna be there next year.

    As far as your comment about Utah and Byu "carrying the MWC on their backs"?? Get real man. As terrible as Utah looks lately, Byu is even worse. Tcu is the class of the conference. Despite Utah going to the Pac 12, (and Byu's TERRIBLE last ditch effort plan to go independent) Tcu is in a completely different class than the utes and cougs.

    It was a good call for utah to leave the conference, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE PAC 12 NOW! It was a good idae for Byu to leave the conference because now they don't have to get POUNDED by Tcu and Bsu (and possibly Air Force like this year) every year and finish 3rd or 4th every year in the MWC

  • notmuchhaschanged Sandy, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 10:48 p.m.

    The Offensive Coordinator needs to re read offensive football 101...Run the FOOTBALL to set up the pass... Run UTES Run...

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 11:45 p.m.

    UteinIdaho

    You are so short-sighted it's comical. TCU has had some recent success in football, but TCU's fan base is pitiful. There's a good chance the Rose Bowl will pass on the Frogs, even with an undefeated season, simply because the Frogs would be lucky to bring 10,000 fans to the game.

    Last year when BYU and Oklahoma played in Jerry Jones Stadium, the stadium was packed.

    This year, with TCU practically playing a home game, there were at least 20,000 empty seats.

    The BYU fan base is by far the largest in the conference and it's been BYU's consistent success in football and basketball that has helped build the stature of the MWC. If not for Craig Thompson's ill conceived television contract and his complete unwillingness to try to improve it, BYU would most likely have stayed in the MWC.

    Utah's fan base is the second largest in the conference and will also be sorely missed.

    That loud sucking sound you hear is the advertising revenue that will disappear from the MTN. when BYU and Utah are gone.

  • Brettski2024 Concord, CA
    Nov. 16, 2010 12:03 a.m.

    I hope the Utes can figure things out.. It's pretty sad actually. I hope they can find a leader by Saturday. Go Utes!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 3:48 a.m.

    It´s easy to sit back and be Monday morning quarterback, but now that there are some trends showing up, the best thing the utes can do is switch some stuff up. It obviously can´t lead to any worse results.

    No. 1 > Run the ball more. The running game has been doing well despite detractors that think running backs getting 50 yards on 12 carries is a bad thing.

    No. 2 > Don´t stick with a QB who has shown he cannot handle the pressure. If he is worth his salt, taking him out will only make him work harder. If he is weak and this destroys his confidence, then it is better to be without him anyway.

    No. 3 > the defense is now all too predictable. Need to throw in something new or just simply play more zone. It is the single back coverage that has killed us. We don´t have Sean Smith and Brice McCain in the backfield anymore. Time to relook at the blitz packages.

    Utes have talented players and coaches. It´s time to show it.

    Go Utes!!!