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  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 12:18 a.m.

    Whit has said it last week. Glad AFA is over with and never want to play them again ever and I am sure he will say it again on TCU. If yewtah lose to Notre Dame this Sat he might say it again and again. Guess what USC is another Religious Institution or Private School.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 8, 2010 1:21 a.m.

    "I'd like to win every game. All our players would like to win every game. It didn't happen. It's not going to happen. Not this year" -- KW

    -----------

    Actually, its about taking the next step. Good programs don't get humiliated at "home" like we were. This isn't the 80s when we stunk and 90s when we continually underperformed.

    For me this was the most embarrassing lose since 1994, when an 8-0 Utah team lost to @UNM and then got rolled @AFA. That team finished #10.

    Utah has 3 + bowl games to prove that they deserve to be a ranked team. I for one can't wait to see the response on Saturday on NBC.

    GO UTES!!!

  • So Cal Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 1:39 a.m.

    It is not the end of the world that Utah lost 1 game. Utah can still finish with a 12-1 record. I will take 12-1 any day. So what if they lost a game to the number 1 team in the country (I don't care who the BCS says is number 1 right now... TCU could win either of those teams). So, you lose to the number 1 team in the country and win 12 games... not bad. Take this loss as an opportunity to bounce back, and go run over the rest of the teams on the schedule. GO UTES !!!

  • sports fan Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 6:47 a.m.

    Its nice to see the optimism by the players, yeah they lost this game but it does not sound like they got defeated. they are still ready to play, still ready to show what Utah football is all about. I love this team i am so glad i became a fan when i was a kid.

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 8:07 a.m.

    I am optimistic that Kyle will get this train back on the tracks after the wreck last Saturday. I must agree...this was a team loss...TCU beat us at every aspect and once they had us down, they never let us up...

    However, last I read Utah is still #14 in the BCS...has 3 very winnable games...and could get a shot at one of our future PAC 12 opponents in Vegas. Not a BCS game, but fun none the less.

    Less we forget...it has been a great year...and with the recruiting advantage of the PAC, we can look forward to many more fun years...and hopefully a new rivalry. Doesn't matter who...just anyone new.

  • FlyingUte Murray, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 8:13 a.m.

    How many "Big Games" do teams lose every saturday in college football? Maybe none of them as big as Saturdays loss but they are big to the teams that play them. I'm glad that Utah Football has a big game that everyone else in the country viewed as big. We've come a long way from the days of the BYU game being the biggest. I'm glad that the mindset at Utah is we play for undefeated seasons and BCS Bowls and that losing is not accepted. So we joined the ranks of the mortals and we lost. We WILL shake this off and play Utah Football the rest of the way! GO UTES!!!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Too bad. It would have been nice to seem the Utes do what they did in 2008. But that team was different and better than this one. Besides the shellacking they took from TCU it clear they were overrated all season. One more minute on the clock against the AFA could have saved ESPN a trip to Salt Lake City and put the correct perspective on Saturday's game.

  • UC UTE Lehi, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 9:29 a.m.

    @ Flying Ute AMEN!
    I was more disappointed at our fans then the team.
    Our team didn't leave early, they stayed for every play. WE need to do our part and support OUR TEAM!

  • djntz2001 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 9:36 a.m.

    Defense missed assignments, coaching staff was stubborn and should have taken the soft, shell-shaking QB who is not mobile and cannot play under pressure. Whittingham is blind and had a chance to throw a different look at TCU with an 8-1 Senior quarterback who can run and throw the ball. Did he do it? Nope, he's too prideful and thinks that will create QB conteversy. Cain now has 4 games left and who knows if he'll sniff the field. Griff Robles will do everything he can in camp to get Wynn off the field next season, you can count on it!

  • cvguy Lehi, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    It bothers me when fans think they are experts on Quarterbacking. Did Wynn have a bad game, yes. Apparently the coaches think he is best QB on the team and the best chance to win games this year and the next two. I am sure Whittingham and the O-coordinators know more about who should play than fans like djntz2001. Robles will try and play next year? Really? No kidding. If the coaches think he is the best, then he will play and I am sure some will complain about that too.

  • Scoreboard Anchorage, AK
    Nov. 8, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    @Nostradamus
    "TCU beat us at every aspect and once they had us down, they never let us up..."

    They did let up and take their foot off the gas at the end when they let you score a TD. So, credit to TCU coach Gary Patterson for being charitable.

    @Sportsfan
    "yeah they lost this game but it does not sound like they got defeated"

    With all of the "our season is shot, all our goals are shattered" talk, they sounded pretty defeated to me. That sounds like players and coaches who no longer have anything to play for, except, the much denigrated Las Vegas Bowl.

    After seeing one team finally get exposed on Saturday (consuming too many "cupcakes" will make you sick) and seeing another team finally wake up and play, I'm thinking the last game of the regular season will be a good one. Maybe you won't have to worry about going to the LVB, afterall, another typical 3rd place finish in the MWC will get you another trip to the Poinsettia Bowl.

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 11:29 a.m.

    Well Well a lot of Coug fans seem to be looking past the CSU game this weekend. Pretty cocky for team who has yet to win on the road!!!

    I guess the nice thing is, if BYU loses this one the BYU fans posts on the Utah articles will dry up like the Sahara.

  • svutility Des Moines, IA
    Nov. 8, 2010 11:39 a.m.

    When it comes to handling the national spotlight, I'd say "did zero with it" is an understatement. They proved that they were even more overrated than people suspected. They had no answers and no defense. When your best wins are against teams with records barely over .500, it does catch up to you eventually.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 11:52 a.m.

    Welcome back down to Earth Ute's. The hype machine did you no favors but you now can look forward to closing out the season and at least you have the Utah vs. BYU game at home.

    Oh yeah the Home field advantage did not mean much last Saturday now did it.

    Wear your regular winning jersey's maybe that will help.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 8, 2010 12:08 p.m.

    What. No hedgehog comments of his blessed Utes performance? Because I'm FAR away from "happy valley" and claim myself a big Cougs fan, I also recognize and even enjoy watching a good, strong Utes team (just not when they play my Cougs). I also call myself a Coach Whittinghman fan-- I love what he's done with the program. I like Jordan Wynn a lot-- a good, local boy! It's the Utes fans I have questions about! With all that being said, how can one not realize the pathetic performance on Saturday. TCU out performed the Utes in every aspect of the game. Utes fans, with few exceptions, get ready for this type of intensity week-in & week-out in the Pac 12. I want Utah to "represent" well in the Pac 12, but the team and especially fans need to realize "We're not in Kansas anymore"! Hedgehog, still waiting ......

  • djntz2001 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 12:47 p.m.

    well Cvguy, you tell me expert? Wyyn has not shown up for big games. Granted, TCU is a bigger, better and faster. Does it not amaze you that Wynn stayed in the whole game, even when all the FANS and the COACHING STAFF knew that game was out of hand? Don't most teams in any sports go to their 2nd unit to see if they can produce or even create some sort of spark while they're getting blown out? When does Jerry Sloan leave Deron Williams in a game when they're down by 20 points? Maybe you should understand sports better before you go off telling someone they don't know what they're talking about, because obviously, you don't!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Good programs don't get humiliated at "home" like we were."

    Agreed.

    For a Top 10 team or even a Top 25 team to lose by 40 points at home to any team is humiliating.

    As much as some Utah fans have criticized BYU for blowout losses at home to TCU and Florida State, even BYU's worst losses weren't as bad as Utah lost to TCU on Saturday.

    The 4-8 BYU team that ended Gary Crowton's career at BYU only lost at home to the #1-ranked USC Trojans (led by Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush), 42-10.

    A 32-point loss by a 4-8 team at home to the National Champions is understandable.

    A 40-point loss at home by a Top 25 team to ANY team is humiliation.

    Pundits and talking heads will remember this loss for a long time.

  • cvguy Lehi, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2010 1:12 p.m.

    Well, djntz2001, I never claimed to be an expert. You have no idea how much I understand sports, but my understanding is not the point. Whittingham and his staff understand their team better than any FAN. You're the one calling the coaches 'stubborn' and 'prideful' and 'blind', maybe you should understand sports better before calling out Whitt and his staff. Go Utes! Beat Notre Dame.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Nov. 8, 2010 1:13 p.m.

    @Scoreboard
    Same old argument from BYU fans. No it does not matter how "improved" BYU will be by the end of the season Utah should still be able to destroy them.

    Utah has proven this year that as bad as they struggle with good teams, cupcakes like BYU are not a problem.

    Since 2008 Utah is 31-4 and is 4-4 against ranked teams:

    Has been "exposed" 2 times: #3 TCU and #6 @TCU
    #11 @Oregon (current #1 team)
    #12 @BYU (current cupcake)

    Since 2008 BYU has been exposed 8 times and has only one #18 Utah:

    @TCU #7 and @Utah #2
    7-5 FSU and #6 TCU @LES
    @AFA, @FSU, @Utah State, @TCU #3

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    I will never forget that head tackle attempt. who in their right mind would attempt a head tackle? Enen life saving trainees learn how to break the head hold...it is easy. a twelve year old can do it when taught how let alone a ball carrier.

    Utah was very soft. Guess BYU will be on equal footing thanksgiving weekend after looking at these films. Gooo BYU

  • Ted H. Midvale, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    Yes Utah is still better than byu.

    Regardless, I LOVED the thrashing of Utah this past weekend.

    You yewties have enjoyed every ugly byu loss this year(and yes there have been many). Please don't act self righteous pretending 99% of yewties haven't enjoyed the losses. You have.

    So yes at the end of the season we'll look back and say "Utah was a good team" and "byu was a bad team" however, I'm going to fully enjoy the yewtie beatdown this week.

    P.S. TCU should have had another touchdown. It was an terrible no-call on that pass interference. You yewties threw a hissy fit a few weeks ago on the pass interference no calls at the byu game. No, it wouldnt have affected the outcome, other than to make the beatdown ever larger.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    Nice arbitrary cutoff, Uteology, but Utah has been exposed many times.

    Since 2006, Utah is 48-13 overall and 5-8 against ranked teams.

    And Utah has been blownout and beaten by numerous ranked and unranked teams:

    at UCLA(7-6) 10-31
    #5/#6 Boise State(13-0) 3-36
    at Wyoming(6-6) 15-31
    at New Mexico(6-7) 31-34
    #16/#15 BYU(11-2) 31-33
    at #25/unranked Oregon St(9-4) 7-24
    Air Force(9-4) 12-20
    at UNLV(2-10) 0-27
    at #14/#15 BYU(11-2) 10-17
    at #11/#11 Oregon(10-3) 24-31
    at #6/#6 TCU(12-1) 28-55
    at #12/#12 BYU(11-2) 26-23
    #3/#3 TCU(10-0) 7-47

    Even during the dark days of Gary Crowton, BYU never suffered anything as embarrassing as Utah's shutout loss to 2-10 UNLV, 0-27, or Utah's humiliating blowout at home in the "Biggest Game in Utah History", 7-47.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 2:38 p.m.

    Four more games to be played!!! Here's what winning out would mean:

    1) A 12-1 record. The third best record in Utah history. (Only three teams could have a better record this year and most likely there will be less than three!!)

    2) A TENTH straight bowl win. (Only Florida State has won more consecutive bowl games with eleven. However, our streak would still be ongoing!!!)

    3) One more win over a BCS conference team. (Two if Notre Dame counts) The best record by any non-BCS conference team!!!!

    4) Undoubtedly a TOP 10 final ranking!!

    5) Another win over one of our historical rivals.

    WIN OUT UTAH!!! Your achievements would be incredible!!!!!

    Go Utes!!!

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 2:46 p.m.

    "Even during the dark days of Gary Crowton, BYU never suffered anything as embarrassing as Utah's shutout loss to 2-10 UNLV, 0-27, or Utah's humiliating blowout at home in the "Biggest Game in Utah History", 7-47."

    Um try these two one on for size:

    Utah state 31 BYU 16
    FSU 54 BYU 28

  • dakuwaqa Snowflake, AK
    Nov. 8, 2010 3:35 p.m.

    Is the future still "bright"? Is the future still "crimson"? Where's mr. "mark it down" NC Utes 2010?

  • Duckhunter American Fork, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    @Ibleedcrimson

    Fail! Nope not as humiliating. 40 point losses at home wen you are supposedly a top 5 team are much more humiliating LOL

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 4:28 p.m.

    Conference championships are a joke of a measuring stick. No one cares who the winner of the MWC is. BYU clearly does not value conference championships, or it would have weighed heavier on their minds when making the decision to go independant. There are few things that matter in college football: going undefeated, playing in a meaningful bowl game (none of the MWC bowl games means anything), winning an unsactioned national championship. The college football regular season cannot be beat. The bowl season and lack of a playoff are frustrating and a fraud. The NCAA needs to start sanctioning a playoff now or stop regulating college football.

    There is truth in the argument that a team like Utah has nothing to play for except pride at this point.

  • Sponge Bob Rockwall, TX
    Nov. 8, 2010 4:36 p.m.

    Too bad for the Paper Tiger Utes. That cream-puff schedule catching up to you now? Very possible to end up 4th in the conference. Way over-rated at #5!

  • cougar76 Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 4:50 p.m.

    Goals? More like pipe dreams.

  • cougar76 Provo, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 5:01 p.m.

    Uteology | 1:13 p.m. Nov. 8, 2010 - Utah has proven this year that as bad as they struggle with good teams, cupcakes like BYU are not a problem.

    You should know. Utah played more cupcakes than any team in the country this year.

  • Scoreboard Anchorage, AK
    Nov. 8, 2010 6:32 p.m.

    @Swoop, @Yewtology

    Don't forget, that beatdown 36-3 loss to Boise St was in SLC.

    @Who am I sir?

    I'm not sure what you mean by "the best record of any Non BCS team"? Won't TCU and Boise St both have better records as non BCS teams than you?

    @Ibleedcrimson
    That's pretty bad if you have to add two BYU games together to equal the one horrific beatdown the Yewts took this weekend.

    I'm not even sure when you compare the magnitude of the losses and what was at stake, that even those two losses together even come close to how horrible this loss was for the Yewts this weekend.

    Afterall, weren't Yewt fans and Yewt-loving sports writers calling this the "Biggest Game in the History of Utah college football?"

    With that perspective and all the Yewt talk of a NC this now replaces Bronco's "Quest for Perfection" as the biggest blunder in Utah college football history.

    After you lose to BYU there's always another 3rd place MWC finish and trip to the Poinsettia Bowl to look forward to.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 6:33 p.m.

    cvguy

    You are right up to a point. D1 college coaches know something about football or they wouldn't be where they're at. Nonetheless, some are better judges of talent than others, and there have been classic cases of misjudgments about players' talents, especially at the QB position.

    Could be the coaches know something the rest of us don't, but it's hard to argue that Cain isn't a viable alternative given his record as a starter and the fact that he's faster and more mobile than Wynn. In theory at least he would seem like a better fit for the spread offense Utah runs.

    After a loss like Utah's and Wynn's performance in that loss, seems to me that all options should be on the table. If they're not, IMHO that's poor management.

  • jonkay New York, NY
    Nov. 8, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    This isn't a team loss. This is the coaches fault. The Utes went into the TCU game with no game plan and pretty much accepted the fact that since they were ranked so high they could hang with TCU. Whit had a full year to prepare for this game after they were blown out last year in Texas and he thought a couple of days were all they needed. You know Coach Patterson was preparing all year for this.

  • UtahRoper Wellsville, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 7:50 p.m.

    I posted on "the U hopes to rebound..." article and wanted to follow-up, but we're only allowed 2 post per article (stupid Des News)! I predicted Utah losses with ND, SDSU, and BYU. To back my words, or as my daddy used to say, "put your money where your mouth is!" I will donate $1,000 to the Wounded Warrior Fund, provided ofcouse I am wrong and the Des News post this!!! I will send reciept to Des News for verification, which they can post. Any takers for this great cause. How about you Hedgie and SoCalUte?

  • Waybackutefan holiday, utah
    Nov. 8, 2010 8:33 p.m.

    Wow how far the once mighty have fallen. The BYU football fans used to revel in 10 win seasons, conference championships, a win against their in state rival and an occasional win against the Top college football programs.

    Now it's their rivals single loss and some creative comparative score accounting that gets them excited. Couple that with a loss to Utah State and a 4 and 5 record and it's just plain sad and pathetic.

    Please go back to your empty BYU articles and start raging on the Ute fans obsession with BYU before its to late an you become what you hate. Heck it might be to late judging from the number of BYU fan posts on the Utah articles these days.

  • Not So Common Sense Lehi, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    Utah lost a game.
    Its really not the end of the world people.

    Utah still has an 8-1 record, with a loss to the #3 team in the country.
    I don't see how this makes Utah a bad team.
    Utah is not a top 5 team. I can live with that.
    Utah still has the opportunity to have a GREAT season with up to 12 wins.
    Even if they really fell apart in the last 4 games and went 2-2 the rest of the way they'd still finish 10-3.
    Unless BYU wins out they will finish .500 or worse. I'm thrilled that Utah football has gotten so good that 1 loss makes fans feel let down.
    BYU fans should be so lucky.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 8, 2010 10:57 p.m.

    @ scoreboard

    Your comment was about my #3 regarding beating 1 more BCS team (2 if Notre Dame counts). Since the BCS concept became reality Utah has beaten more teams from a BCS conference than any other non-BCS conference team has. This is an achievement over something like a decade!!! Hope that clears up my comment!!

    I should add another goal that would be acomplished by Utah winning their next four games.

    Not one team in division one football, who has played in 10 or more bowl games, has a winning percentage over 70%. Not one - other than Utah!!! If Utah wins a bowl game this year their winning percentage is OVER 80% Eighty percent!!!

    Do it, Utah!!!!