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  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 12:23 a.m.

    Whitney you write a very good article.

  • Peace Holladay, utah
    Nov. 5, 2010 6:46 a.m.

    Unfortunately, having compassion today equates to some "Kumbaya" insults from extremists.
    It is this nasty style and vitriolic way that gives these poor souls power.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 7:26 a.m.

    A tragic story for sure. How different the ending would be if they simply had chosen to obey the law. I hope they come back when they can come the right way and then they won't have to look over their shoulder all the time. Sorry Whitney but comparing illegal immigration with the civil rights movement is a very flawed argument. Martin Luther King and Ceasar Chavez as well advocated legal, non violent means of changing society. Chavez was totally opposed to illegal immigration. Segregation and illegal immigration are not on the same page by any stretch of the imagination.
    This family was breaking the law and they received due process and were treated with respect by all accounts I have read. No one denied them opportunity, they chose to ignore the law, they now have the opportunity to live in their own country and apply to come back legally in the future. They aren't being executed, millions of people live happy and prosperous lives in Argentina.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 7:28 a.m.

    Christ talks of compassion, church leaders talk of compassion, and the people don't live it. They say one thing, trying to say they follow, but their actions show they really serve another master.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    To "Whitney Wood" what you forget is that by returning to their country, it will make it easier for them to be able to return.

    I don't know if you read all of the comments from those articles, but the company that they were working for here had hired an immigration lawyer and is in the process of getting them a Visa.

    The family is honorable, and is doing what they should.

    What you fail to realize is that if we ignore our laws, we will cease to be a nation.

  • KM Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 8:20 a.m.

    Compassion = no borders and no laws?

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    "Segregation and illegal immigration are not on the same page by any stretch of the imagination."

    I'll stretch my imagination and say that making immigration illegal is segregation by nation of origin. My neighbor was a missionary who served in a Texas border town. He said he looked out over the city at night where the bright lights and bustling activity stood in stark contrast to the dismal darkness in the southern section of town, separated by our border. "It's just not right," he remembers saying to himself. A fence certainly is segregation.


    "This family was breaking the law and they received due process and were treated with respect by all accounts I have read. No one denied them opportunity..."

    Our cruelly tight visa regulations denied them both respect and opportunity. It's time to legalize work without discrimination by nation of origin.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 10:01 a.m.

    to John CC

    I guess all of the nations of the world who have borders and immigration laws are now guilty of "segregation" under your definition. If you have a fence around your yard your are also a segregationist under your enlightened thinking. We also have strict visa regulations to protect the people of our nation and not to deny anyone "opportunity". Give me a break!

  • Brett Nielson Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    I'm sorry but compassion does not equal no borders and no laws. There are compassionate solutions that would serve us all, but any attempt to extend compassion is attacked as being amnesty. I suggest that those who are so eager to protect the country from people fleeing corrupt and impoverished nations to get actually get to know some of these "criminals" that you are referring to. I think that if you actually knew some of them, your heart would change. You wouldn't be so angry and you may even my grow to love them.

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Nov. 5, 2010 10:51 a.m.

    Compassion like the word liberal have been changed and demonized to fit into vitriolic political agendas.
    And ... it works!
    Welcome back, 1950s!
    Next look for a modern version of House of UnAmerican activities.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    Whitney Wood - Provo Utah

    Compassion and unltra-Conservativism is an oxymoron.
    To them, there is the law - and ONLY the law.

    Yet our country was founded on a judical system of
    Justice AND Mercy (compassion).

    Conservatives are "letter of the law" folks.
    So Compassion is difficult to understand, let alone express and practice.


    FYI - Jesus was executed according to the law.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Nov. 5, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    It's time Whitney Wood of Provo woke up to "smell the real" coffee, being concerned to see the lack of compassion in people about a family that was deported. This is America, either do it right, or, go back too your own "lawless country" and fly your kite there. Not here. Seeking to be an American should not be a crime as long as it's done within our written law's of our land's in America that "WE THE PEOPLE" own because we are our own Government. Granting illegal's citizenship that broke our law's would not cure the ills we accuse them of it would just make a loophole in the law that it's legal here to break the law's If they were citizens and be given a free pass to be one, while other's did it the right way. Lock down the border against this type of crime, don't play the "head-trip" game of forgive them and hate the Crimes that are illegal but love the person doing the crime hogwash. Getting kicked out of the country is Equal liberty and Justice "for all". That's my view.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 11:37 a.m.

    'It is disheartening and concerning to see the lack of compassion in people.' - Article


    I wish you the best of luck.


    * 'Republicans kill Senate jobless aid measure' - By Andrew Taylor - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/24/10

    Line:
    'The rejected bill would have provided $16 billion in new aid to states, preserving the jobs of thousands...

    * 'Senate Republicans again kill bill for jobless aid' - By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/30/10

    Line:
    'Without an extension, 1.7 million of the 7 million people who have been without a job for at least six months will have lost their unemployment benefits by the end of this week, according to the Labor Department.'


  • Utah Businessman Sandy, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    @Pagan

    You seem to assume that if we do not want people to be helped by a federal government program, it means that we do not want them to be helped.

    You might want to consider that this country became the greatest country in the world through individual liberty, personal responsibility, free markets and limited government.

    Consider this: assume your neighbor needed $1,000 and when you were preparing to give it to him, someone came to you and said, "Stop! You can, instead, give $5,000 to the IRS! It will go through the entire government bureaucracy where $4,000 will be paid to all the the "paper-shufflers", politicians and bureaucrats (not to mention the hefty cut to those who file fraudulent claims), and your neighbor will get the $1,000 he needs. So, why give $1,000 to your neighbor when he can get it through this wonderful government program?"

    You can debate exactly what percentage the bureacracy actually takes, but common sense certainly tells you that it is a considerable amount. Because I would rather give the $1,000 than the $5,000, does that mean that I am not compassionate?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 1:00 p.m.

    To Stop spreading the lie that liberals are more generous. They are only generous with other people's money.

    Read the following articles:

    "Don't listen to the liberals - Right-wingers really are nicer people, latest research shows" UK Daily Mail.

    "Bleeding Heart Tightwads" in the NY Times.

    "Who Gives and who Doesn't" at ABC News.

    "Who's More Charitable - Liberals or Conservatives?" at Science 2.0

    "Religious Faith and Charitable Giving" at the Hoover Institute at Stanford.

    "Those Mean-Spirited Liberals" at the American Thinker.


    If you read those you will find that they all, independantly found:

    Liberals are more materialistic than conservatives

    Liberals celebrate anger

    Liberals are stingy with their money

    Liberals are less honest than conservatives.

    Conservatives also rank better on political knowledge



    Seems like conservatives are more Christ-like than liberals.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 5, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal | 11:21 a.m." My last post was for you buddie!! I hope you read those articles this time, it will enlighten you quite a bit.

    I know that you will do you best to read them with an open mind because liberals are so openminded.

    If you need any help understanding them, I would be glad to explain how liberals are just not as good as you think they are.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 1:43 p.m.

    RedShirt | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 5, 2010
    RedShirt | 1:00 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010
    Redshirt1701 | 1:06 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010


    Redshirt,

    How many alias' are you going to create to get around the rules of the DSNews exactly?

  • Question Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 1:44 p.m.

    What does this have to do with "compassion"???


    They were deported by the Federal Government! Not the people of Utah... or the commenters here... or any Utah government official!

    What does what UTAH THINKS have to do with it???



    Can we just overrule the Federal Government's deportation_orders.... If we like this family? or if enough of us think it's un_fair? Or if we just don't like the law?

    What do you expect us to do?



    This is a very sad story, for the family and for the whole community. But what can any Utahn do about it? What does any commenter's compassion have to do with it?



    Does recognising and acknowledging that it's the law... mean we don't have compassion?




    IF the commenters had more compassion... would the Federal Deportation Order be lifted? I don't think so... so what's the point of harping on the people who acknowledge the law as "lacking_compassion"???



    Some people are using this familie's situation as a political_toy. Using it as fodder for a political agenda.

    Acknowledging the law... does not automatically mean that person lacks compassion.... they may just respect the law more than you do.

  • Is there no end to Greed? Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    Knowing these people are heartless, why do politicians pay attention to them? Just pandering for votes?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    Pagan | 1:43 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010
    Salt Lake City, UT
    RedShirt | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 5, 2010
    RedShirt | 1:00 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010
    Redshirt1701 | 1:06 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010


    Redshirt,

    How many alias' are you going to create to get around the rules of the DSNews exactly?

    ===============

    Another fallicy with ultra-Conservatives....

    They don't have to play by the same set rules as everyone else.....

    [RedShirt, that posting was for you, buddie!!!]

    And, until you can read and understand the English DICTIONARY -- arguing over what a Liberal IS and ISN'T is simply a moot point.

    It's like arguing if a Mormon IS or ISN'T a Christian....buddie.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    Nov. 5, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal | 3:02 p.m. " you make me laugh.

    Lets look up the definition of a modern liberal:

    From Merrium-Webster we find that a liberal (noun) is "of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism". That isn't helpful. Lets look up "liberalsim" in the same dictionary. That is "such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)" Basically what that boils down to is that a Liberal is somebody who believes that the government can force everything to be equal or else make up for the past.

    According to "A dictionary of modern politics By David Robertson" liberals are stuck between capitalism and Socialism/Marxism.

    Basically, nomatter what dictionary you go to, liberals believe that the government will make everything ok. That is the common factor in the definition of liberal or liberalism that you look up.



    I notice that you cannot deny the fact that conservatives are more charitable than liberals. Do_you_conceed_that_point_now?



    If you don't like me having multiple screen names, why don't you sign up for more? I am "playing by the rules". (1 name per email account.)

  • Brer Rabbit Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 4:01 p.m.

    Whitney, I am impressed. The Deseret News Letters editor published your little sermon which contained 251 words. They seldom publish a letter with over 200 words.

    As for your concern with the family that was deported to Argentina, it is sad in a way, but also just. First of all there is no more persecution of LDS people in Argentina than there is in Peru, or even Texas for that matter. It is just, because they agreed to comply with the requirements of the visa for entering the United States.

    There are probably at least 5 BILLION people in the world that would love to come to the United States, but in this case Whitney believes that these illegal aliens should stay because they are good religious (LDS) people.

    The truth is they are not living the principles of their religion: Commandment #9 Thou Shall Not bear false witness (even on your visa application) Article of Faith #12 We believe in honoring and sustaining the law (not just the ones we approve of) Article of Faith #13 We believe in being honest, true......

    The U.S. needs to be able to enforce its immigration laws.

  • LOL holladay, utah
    Nov. 5, 2010 4:40 p.m.

    And next we'll get to hear about "compassionate conservatives."

    LOL!

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Nov. 5, 2010 5:01 p.m.

    Hey Whit - You are writing about selective compassion. In other words if you know them or can see them have compassion. To heck with all the others. What about the 35% of the world who go to bed hungry every night? Show your compassion by sending your Christmas money to some reputable refugee agencies in say, Sudan. Or you can donate to the "Dos por Uno" scheme in the country to the south. Come on show some non-discriminating compassion.