Let's get real, the Democratic Party is a dead party in this state. How many
D's will be left in the legislature? A small handful. Matheson, who most would
view as a moderate if not conservative (in about every state but Utah) barely
won his election. Corroon, also moderate and fiscal conservative, got blown
away in his election. Hyer, also a conservative in about every state but Utah,
and a very educated and extremely nice woman, didn't even get 30% of the vote.
Yes, there was a national sweep of Republican momentum but in Utah there is more
going on. Bottom line, when one party gets complete control of the state, which
is very close to happening in Utah, this leads to problems and corruption. And
when reasonable people with good ethics and leadership don't stand a chance
because they are of the minority problem, that is also a concern.
*** "'It's stupid and it's dangerous,' Pignanelli said of such inter-party
squabbling." ***Exhibit A of how even when Frank Pignanelli is
right, he's wrong. I disagreed with the reasons that left-wing Dems forced
Matheson into a primary (not that there's anything wrong with the people having
a say) but "stupid and dangerous"? Dangerous how, exactly? Pignanelli can't even
be civil to the voters in his own party.As for Utah's being a
one-party state, I would suggest that instead of Dems blaming the voters they
start giving those voters some reason to vote for them by moving towards the
beliefs Utahns hold.
I don't think anyone thought that the sitting Mayor of Salt Lake County would be
beaten there, and lose 2-1 overall. That's one of the most unexpected, lopsided
victories in state history.
Mark my words, Matheson will be gone in 2 years due to gerrymandering.The R's in the state legeslature are already working on the plan. They will
increase the amount of rural land in his district by taking away parts of
southern and central Utah from Chaffetz's district and give Chaffetz a portion
of Huntsman's urban area in Salt Lake County. They will carefully
meaure how much of Salt Lake County to give to Chaffetz so that it doesn't give
him too many of the democrats in the district.They will also take
part of the Avenues and capital hill area and give it to Bishop's district
too.They know exactly where the Democratic votes come from in Salt
Lake and Park City and they will carefully split these votes so that Huntsman
has no chance of winning.The problem with this plan arises if Utah
has had enough population growth to get a 4th Representative out of the 2010
Census, that is if the Tea party people of Utah didn't listen to Rep. Michell
Bachmann and refuse to send in their census forms.
"I don't think anyone thought that the sitting Mayor of Salt Lake County would
be beaten there, and lose 2-1 overall."Imagine if the former mayor,
Rocky, would have tried running for governor. You would have seen a much more
Here's what you need to know about the Republican party:For the past
2 years all we've heard is how bad it is for one party to control everything.
They cried like little girls and decided to pout in the corner and vote NO on
everything, even ideas and pieces of legislation created by Republicans.Now, after gaining control of the House, according to Mitch McConnell,
the only function Republicans in Congress have for the next two years is to make
sure President Obama is not re-elected. Their goal.......take control of all 3
branches. The very thing they've whined about for the past 2 years.This is the "governing" you can expect from Republicans. We'll participate as
long as everything is our way. What a scary trend this party is taking.
Clinton and the Republicans worked together, and were able to create the rosy
picture Bush took over. Then the Republicans, having complete control, flushed
that down the toilet.
Whoops, Rocky was SL City mayor, not county, but my previous comment still
pertains.Corroon was popular as county mayor, but he may have blown
that popularity by his campaign for governor. We sure got to know him better
and that may result in losing his next campaign for mayor or anything else.
I'm a Tea Partier, but I see the need for a two party system in the State. The
Dems need to get more in touch with the voters and convince us that they need to
be elected with more than attacking their opponents records. Morgan Philpot lost
because he NEVER stated his platform and ran, by far, way more negative ads than
Matheson. I don't know what negative ads Philpot was talking about, because we
didn't see or hear them in Washington County. Philpot lost because he HAD NO
As long as the Demos continue to field candidates like Barak Obama, the great
Socialist Idealogue who wants to fundamentally change our Republic. That proven,
voters now reject them in great numbers. If indeed, a candidate claims to be
independent, then he or she should declare it politically and not hang their
hats on the Democrat monicur. Matheson disolves his effectivness by watering
down his chance to serve well by watering down his effectivness with liberal
associations. He is a Demo secret weopen...a fence straddler, who is always
there to rescue them in case of need.
Now that the Republicans have taken over the House, there will be many who
believe that "All good things will come to pass, and governing the people will
become easy and pleasurable." But here's a truer statement, "If we amplify
everything, we hear nothing."The new first-term Republicans, about
to enter office had better facilitate needed changes faster than they've so
eagerly and energetically accused President Obama of doing, else two years hence
the people will be voting them out of office.Nothing is easier than
being a critic; it requires not a smidgen of reasoning or intelligence. But
truly governing effectively takes reason, intelligence, cooperation,
negotiation, and working together. This new crop of legislators in the House
will soon find that bulldozing and bullying and shouting and accusing will never
get the job done. Historically, every where oppression has existed for a time,
it has eventually fallen. When dictators rule, the people mourn.In
Howard Beal's way of thinking, where everyone gets on the bandwagon and one
party rules and the other is becomes nonexistent, as he claims is the case in
Utah, it is not democracy, it's dictatorship.
The Dems have no one to blame but themselves for their losses. They have made
it just about impossible for most Utahns to support them. Their national party
has a lot to do with this, but they go along with it.One party rule
is dangerous. But, don't blame the voters. If you want to get elected, get in
step with the people.
Corroon said, "What it made me realize at the end is we needed to meet with
people to convince them of our policies and convince them to vote for us," Actually, we got a pretty good picture of who he really is. He
demonstrated an uncanny ability for pettiness. He showed almost no vision on
important issues or policies. He excelled at the politics of personal
destruction. He gave voters all kinds of convinving reasons to vote against
him. (Can't wait for 2012 to do it again.)Unfortunately for the
Mayor, we all got a compelling picture of who he really is and how he operates.
And who should be surprised. His running mate, Sheryl Allen, and her minions
have been behind all of the phony scandals leveled in the Legislature these past
several election cycles. I guess when your ideals and character are so
deficient all you can do is tear other people down. Thank goodness the voters
repudiated such behavior.
With exception of politcal contests where one of the candidates received 70% or
more of the vote, any challenger has a base of 30%. That is there will be 30%
of the public that will support a given candidate. Putting that into
perspective, Peter Corroon spent $2 million dollars go get an additional 1.8%
(his total was 31.8%). By contrast, Morgan Philpot with a fraction of the money
spent by Corroon gained 17% (his total being 47%). Similar to the treatment of
Obama by the press, Peter Corroon enjoyed a "hands off" status because he
opposed the soccer stadium. Fortunately, the campaign introduced the real Peter
Corroon. If the press had followed Corroon's depletion of the County's reserve
accounts he inherited they would have been able to tell the story of a guy who
"cut so much" that he had to raise taxes. In truth, Corroon is a government
program type of guy who views governments role as distributing resources fairly
as opposed to assuring that all parties have opportunity.
Democrats are generally weak-sauce corporatists, and so now we have the family
values icon John Boehner as Speaker of the House. I can just feel the thread
from which the Constitution hangs thickening as I write. The
Republican Party is all about empowering large international corporations
politically and economically, providing even more advantages to the
uber-wealthy, and empowering the government to take away the privacy rights and
moral liberties of minorities--especially women. If you don't believe as they
do, you don't deserve any rights. Libertarians have the right idea,
but they are too often inflexible, paranoid ideologues who are too impractical
and unyielding to ever be in a position to really govern in the real world. At
least we have John Boehner at the helm. I feel safer already.
Corroon didn't raise "taxes" he just imposed a lot of new fees. And as we all
know fees are not taxes...right?The only reason Corroon was elected
in the first place is because Nancy Workman got ousted and Ellis Ivory had
almost no time to even get on the ballot as a republican. The reason Workman was
ousted was because of a supposed "scandal" so the Dems and Corroon used that to
their advantage. It's no wonder he tried to use the same tactic to go after the
governor's seat. I predict he'll be gone as county mayor soon too.
Matheson is a demonstrated fiscal conservative. Mr. Corroon's handling of the SL
County budget shows that he is a tax and spend mayor who cannot balance a
Anyone who claims that Republicans stand for the "uber wealthy" and "big
corporations" clearly doesn't understand conservative Republican principles. Of
course, someone may choose to be deliberately ignorant instead of facing the
re: CatsConservative Republican principles aside, this election
quite clearly showed that the Republican party is bought and paid for by Wall
Street and Corporate America.Top 2 outside groups spending money on
each parties candidates this year:Republican Party: American
Crossroads and Crossroads GPS. Both created after the Supreme Court ruling
doing away with limits on corporate donations. Combined spent $38,000,000 on
Republican candidates nationwide. Largest donors to each are Hedge Fund
managers, and a small circle of wealthy, unidentified, corporate donors.Democratic Party: AFSCME and SEIU. Both labor unions that support
everyday Americans, not corporate dollars or Wall Street. Combined spent
$21,000,000 on Democratic candidates nationwide. The "principles"
may not claim to stand for the wealthy and corporations, but the pocket book of
Republicans sure says something different.
Utahns did themselves no great service electing the incumbent. He ran a day care
center. Peter Corroon has 3 degrees, and is a savvy, worldly
businessman.Oh well...Utah seems to forever try to legislate morality, and
frowns upon letting adults think for themselves, so the perfect analogy is that
the State of Utah is one giant day care center, perfect for Herbert.But
still and yet it would be nice to have a governor who is smarter than his pets.
"Holland said many voters outside the Wasatch Front never really got to know
Corroon."Good thing for Corroon, otherwise the margin would have
Apparently, most Republicans don't understand "Republican principles" either
Cats from Provo, because they kow tow to big business and the wealthy at every
opportunity. Their politicians were even willing to sacrifice continuing the tax
cuts for the middle class if the uber-wealthy were not included. That showed
their true colors and loyalty.The system is highly leveraged to make
the wealthy wealthier and the poor poorer on the front end; the rich should pay
more on the back end to repay it for the special-interest advantages they enjoy.
It is time to stop corporate welfare for the wealthy and to treat corporations
as corporations with contractual legal responsibilities and standing and not as
citizens with Constitutional rights. Corporations are not people despite what
the activist Conservative-Five on the SCOTUS claimed. Judicial activism is only
bad when the other side does it I guess. So much for Republican principles. At
least we have the Republican-principled John Boehner as the helm now. We are a
righteous people once again!
According to utah.gov, 113,315 people voted against Matheson (including me). He
got 116,404. Somehow I don't think that's a "vote of confidence." He needs to
keep the voters informed over the next 2 years of all the spending bills he's
voting for where he thinks he's invisible to Utah voters.
Regarding the accusations that Republicans protect the interests of big
corporations and America's wealthy . . . . I have this to say: Healthy, big
corporations and wealthy Americans HIRE people; they provide private sector jobs
to working-class Americans. Pay checks are the medicine for our sick
economy.Democrats protect the interest of labor union moguls at the
expense of workers and their employers. An the only people on their payroll are
thugs.I say "Three cheers for free enterprise! Three cheers for the
Chamber of Commerce! Three cheers for the Tea Party! Three cheers for the
private sector! Three cheers for the Republic! Down with
Socialism. Down with Progressives. Down with Communism. Down with Muslim
Terrorists. Down with ObamaCare. Down with King Barach.