Obviously this was a fumble, get over it, move on, who cares anymore...GO
Awesome, SDSU is sending letters to BYU?Send your letters to the MWC
and while we are all sending letters and consulting lawyers, let's review every
call that was ever made in error that should have been reversed, but wasn't.I think I want to have the SDSU fumble looked at again. I want the
facemask, that wasn't, reviewed. I want this call and that call reviewed and I
want that university to forfeit the game.The problem with all this,
is some official will try and make some bogus call against BYU in order to
redeem this apparent mistake.Oh, and I want the SDSU game plan
reviewed. I want the the entire league reviewed!
I agree with Wallbanger. It was a fumble. It's also sour grapes by SDSU. I like how SDSU glosses over the fact that these are MWC hired employees. It's not like it was the last play of the game...SDSU was thoroughly
outplayed the entire game anyways. You lost. Deal with it.Best of
luck to the Cougs and Utes this weekend...
SDSU still has a chance to win the conference with both Utah and TCU on the
schedule in coming weeks. Instead of showing incredible unsportmanship by
divulging the crews names in the media and airing private conversations, SDSU
should be moving forward with their season trying to make the best of it. What
they have done instead is shown an incredible lack of class for a University.
Unbelievable that "private" letters from the MWC to SDSU continue to get
published all across the land. Why won't the MWC protect the privacy of its
officials? Because they want to smear BYU with this non-scandal. What a bunch
of poor losers.
Well, being an avid Ute fan, if I were in the replay booth during a Ute game,
like Bunn and Moon were, I might have not shown the clear video to the head
replay official either. But, that doesn't make it right. Rules are rules - they
clearly had conflict of interest and changed the game outcome.
"While the MWC found no malfeasance by the officials, all three were suspended
because they did not aggressively find all the evidence from live TV feeds in
the play."In other words, nobody cheated, the officials simply
botched the call. The replay officials missed the fumble. The on-field officials missed the facemasking.Bottom line, two
sets of mistakes cancelled each other out and yielded a fair result.Time for SDSU to stop whining and move on.You were outplayed the
entire game and lost fair and square. Get over it!
What I find really sad is that SDSU is so desperate for a "W" in the win/loss
column, that they are willing to beg for a BYU forfeit to get it. Come on,
Boosters. Have a little self respect.Maybe BYU should just let the
little whiners have it. It's not like the win is really going to help this year
I just replayed the fumble five times. Yes!!! There was a facemask--(no call)
just before the fumble. Why does'nt San Diego protest that one? It's there and
no call. The TV commentator even mentioned it! He really did! He called it a
double facemask. Should have been a fifteen yard walk off. I honestly don't know
why it's mentioned.
oops! not mentioned.
Hoe about a new NCAA rule that states that if a missed call is seen on the
replay, it can then be called. That would add a bit of hesitation to relying
always in the replay cameras. It's funny that SDSU boosters make such a big
deal of this when the obvious cause of the fumble was the sudden illegal upward
movement of the ball-carrier's head (a botched and missed call). It's also funny
that they willingly ignore the botched fumble that earlier went SDSU's
direction. These boosters need to find better things to do with their time.
What really surprises me is that the MWC lets all this slander and
obvious break of their own protocol go on, when they were so quick to jump on
and sanction BYU players last year whennthey criticized Air force's cheap but
legal blocking tactics. Total double standard by the MWC.
If SDSU were the better team on that particular day they would have won the game
regardless of this fumble. In every game there are calls that should not have
been made and others that were missed. Folks just take it in stride. The
problem here is that the MWC continues to allow "private" letters to become
public--in violation of there own policy--all to the maligning of BYU. Without
question it was a blown call by the replay officials. But the MWC is handling
this in a way that makes BYU look bad. And they are doing it on purpose. In
the eyes of Craig Thompson and the conference the Utes leaving was
understandable with the Pac 10 being such a big fish. But they interpet BYU's
leaving as arrogant and a rejection of the Mt. West Conference. So this is
their chance to get back at the Cougars--and that's just what they are doing.
The refs blew BYU's fumble.They also blew the SDSU facemask!One may have resulted in the difference in a game.One could
have resulted in how well attached a players head was to his body.Would there even have been a fumble if they didn't literally try to rip JJ's
head off? Probably not.SDSU fans, go cry to your moms. If you wanted
to win the game, you should have tried to do it by a method other than a
who cares about the call, yes it is obviously a blown call, EVERYONE knows this.
EVERYONE also knew in 1990 or 91 that Colorado was given a 5th down to win a
game and tied for the National Championship so obviously no one cares about
I want TCU's 50-51 victory over BYU in 2007 turned over. I saw a photo in the
paper that showed it was a fumble, not a touchdown in overtime. I demand
justice. My letters will go out tomorrow.
I chuckled the first time I heard the term "Wahz-tecs" but now I am starting to
take it seriously. Does anyone remember 24 first downs to 12, 45 minutes of
possession to 15? Quit acting like you deserved to win! Bad call. Why did you
not step up and stop the cougs from scoring 5 plays later. It is not like no
one else has stopped them this year. Get over it.
To absolutle truth: Did it change the outcome? In the 3rd quarter hard to make
that argument. Many calls or non-calls may be pivot points, but you like SDSU
automatically assume that the outcome would have been changed. The absolute
truth is that you have too many biases to present an absolute truth. Work on
the biases or change the display name.
As an outsider, I have to say, yes it was a fumble, but clearly a facemask
which. Both calls should have been made. The facemask was first, if I
understand things correctly it should have been a penalty on SDSU.SOoooooo, why is SDSU still begging. Is my logic correct here or am I missing
Just my uninformed opinion ...Ref's have done make-up calls since
the dawn of sports. When the head guy (from Nevada) saw the facemask and the
fumble was obscured he saw enough. He didn't request any other views because he
wasn't about to reverse the call on the field having seen the facemask just
prior to the fumble. Technically, the only thing that could be
overturned was the fumble. Morally, the correct call was to leave it alone
because of the facemask. Spirit of the law vs. letter of the
law.Spirit of the law won this time and justice was served. SD boosters, please stop embarrassing yourselves. Show some self
restraint and understand just how petty you make yourselves and your program
Hornedfrog your logic is correct, but most posters are not interested in logic
nor is SDSU.
Actually, as a Cougar fan, most of you cougars are embarrassing. The face mask
has nothing to do with the replay. And claiming such shows your idiocy. It was a
missed call on the field with full speed action, a part of football. A screw up
in the booth, of which everyone saw, has nothing to do with the game. The booth
is outside the game with slow motion cameras. U are trying to justify people not
doing their job with a missed call on the field. SDSU has every right to write
letters of complaint. Incompetence (in the booth) is not the same as
human error (on the field)!
It's like they're the boosters from East Dillon High.SD boosters:
focus on the rest of your season. If your team was so good and deserving, they
would have slaughtered my struggling Cougars.
So how does writing a letter to Pres. Samuelson accomplish? What's he going to
do about it? That seems like an absurd response.
Tired of hearing about this. BYU's defense played exceptionally well that
day.Was it a fumble? Yes! Would have SDSU won had the right call
been made? Who the heck knows! BYU was ahead at the time. BYU might have changed
their defense had they turned the ball over. SDSU is bitter and
rightfully so. I'd be ticked about the call to if it were my team, but theres
just nothing you can do.Go Utes. Good luck cougs
One thing I haven't heard anyone mention is the ref's whistle. If I remember
correctly, if the whistle is blown it doesn't matter if there was a fumble or
not. The ball is dead. That is the first thing I thought of when it was ruled
not a fumble, that the whistle was blown before the fumble. Oh, and by the way,
I have seen some comments that this changed the results of the game. You forgot
to add "maybe" changed the game. Maybe BYU would have created their own
turnover on the next play making it first and goal!
Facemask ..... irrelevantClose game ... irelevantWhat really
matters is if the two techs colluded in some way to withhold feed from the third
decision maker. The apparent evidence of the content of the MWC letters and
"heresay" comments from the replay guys seems to suggest that is was a mistake,
not an intentional withholding of "evidence".If a mistake, everyone
should just move on. If the action was intentional (and so far there is no
evidence to suggest it is), then it would hypothetically put BYU in an awkward
position saying they aren't accountable for MWC employees, when some of them
have direct connections with the school as employees. Another reason why you
don't want anyone with connections to your team being involved with judging the
game in any way.
Look, I understand the complaint, SDSU. If I was in their shoes, I would've been
upset. I mean, I as a BYU fan felt a little sick about it when it happened. It
cast a shadow over what should have been a proud and crucial victory for the
program, especially considering the downward spiral we were in. I feel bad the
replay was so grossly botched, but I don't think anyone's argument against BYU
can actually rest on the premise that San Diego State deserved to win or that a
perfectly officiated game would have been to their benefit. I saw no camera view
that showed that fumble Van Noy recovered was out of bounds, and there was a
facemask on that play as well. Other than that, BYU outplayed them. So I would
challenge any SDSU fan or booster not to say that they were the victim of a
botched review, but that they actually deserved the win based on fairness. Good
luck with that
If I ever get so emotionally invested in my favorite team's success that I start
writing multiple letters to the opposing schools' presidents protesting
perceived on-field injustices, someone please remind me to re-evaluate my
priorities in life.Though I have to admit, a good hissy fit is
doggone entertaining to watch from afar. Boo hoo, SDSU fans; boo hoo.
Come on Kewgs, you know how it feels to be the victim. How about a little
This really does not look good. It reminds me of when Utah played at Arizona a
few years ago and a big Arizona booster was a ref in that game. He called a
clear Utah touchdown as being out of the endzone. This cost Utah the game. I
really doubt it was his intent to cheat, but he was following his heart instead
of his head and he should not have been a ref in that game. I think the same
thing may have happened here. No intent, but the heart ruled. If it had been an
SDSU fumble, my guess is that the video crew would have found a way to be more
aggressive in getting those feeds to the ref on the field.
Commissioner getting in his last digs before they leave the conference.
Commissioner now hates bYU and Utah for leaving. Had he worked harder years ago,
both may have stayed. Can only sit on your hands for sp long.
What I find most shocking is that 3 people actually care about San Diego State.
What a waste of time and venom. Blown calls occur in every football game, every
week. To pretend that in sports there is going to be complete perfection and no
wrong calls by officials is bizarre. It's becoming increasingly obvious that
SDSU has some agenda other than "justice" in the vendetta against BYU. It's time
someone call them on their intellectual dishonesty. Move on, get over it, it's a
game from crying out loud.
As I said before...SDSU has boosters? You'd never know it by looking at their
facilities and crowds. I'll bring the cheese to the next game I go to.
Just an honest question,What if the roles were 100% switched (SDSU
wins game, SDSU player fumbles, BYU player recovers, etc etc.)Would
BYU fans be saying so adamently that "bad calls happen every game, get over
"...not sufficiently aggressive.." describes Thomson's whole term as MWC
Time for the MWC to take charge of the situation and quit pandering to a bunch
of wealthy crybabies. I don't like BYU but I think I like SDSU less after this
whinefest. This situation also shows the ineptitude of the MWC. Glad the Utes
are leaving. Poor TV deal and poor leadership.
Looks like this is clear evidence the MWC threw the communicator and technician
"under the bus" to protect its replay official. Suspending all three for what
was clearly the replay official's stubbornness and insistence that he had it
when other replay views were offered. Another great job by the MWC.
I'm finding by their comments that BYU fans cannot tell the difference between a
"blown call" and cheating. Perhaps an analogy would help: an auditor is sent to
a bank because there is a report that Mr. Jones stole money from Mr. Smith, he
is given two assistants, one of which works for Jones and another is a long time
friend of Jones. The auditor announces that he sees no evidence that Jones stole
from Smith. At least one and possibly both of the assistants are aware of a
video which shows Jones taking cash from Smith's safe deposit box, but say
nothing.1. Did they act in an honest manner?2. Does it matter less
if Jones already had more money than Smith?3. Does anyone really believe
that they would have kept quiet if it was Smith stealing from Jones?SDSU did not play well and deserved to lose that game. However, there is
certainly strong evidence that BYU's win was aided by something very fishy in
the replay booth. The win does not pass the "smell" test.
Well they are obviously not running the replay booth correctly and this incident
has helped that to come to light. I think it is idiotic that the mountain
network can find the best camera angle for the play in 10 seconds, but the
replay officials can't just grab the first one they can find and run with it.
Maybe they should just watch the game and go with what the announcers see. They
would probably get more calls right that way.
Big Ben 2.0, You make a good point. BYUs fans would be severely ticked if the
roles were reversed. And in fact there have been times when it appeared BYU had
legitimate gripes about calls not going its way. In those instances, weeping
and wailing could be heard up and down Utah Valley.However, what I
find disturbing are the insinuations out there - like from the SD radio guy -
that this is some kind of Mormon conspiracy. I wouldn't lose a minute of sleep
if BYU forfeited this game, but don’t try to turn this into a modern-day
Mountain Meadows Massacre controversy.
Something smells...There are missed calls in all sports all the time
- it's the human element that makes it a sport. What makes this
case different is it appears that the "missed call" seems to be not just missed
but deliberately misled. I'm not saying byu was behind the blown
call but perhaps the people involved had their own motivation being either
alumni or residents of Provo.I have no idea what should be done
about this I don't the game's outcome can changed but perhaps it needs to be
addressed further rather than dismissed.
Why is nobody mentioning the generally bad performance by MWC replay everywhere
else?I don't remember the PAC-10 schools whining when replays showed
that calls on the field clearly favored Utah in 2 undefeated seasons.This is more about San Diego State's inferiority complex than anything
else.Of course, next comes Criag Thompson's hair. Have we had a
replay on that yet?If San Diego State wants to prove anything, try
to beat the Utes.Squish those Horny Toads!
For those who insist that there was "cheating" involved in this incident, a few
historical facts:1. Chad Bunn has been the head video coordinator
for the MWC for many years, because of his expertise and experience (yes, and
integrity)2. Chad Bunn has been in the booth for most or all of
BYU's home games for many years.3. Chad Bunn founded the national
association for collegiate video coordinators and is a consultant for
universities and conferences around the country. He has a national reputation
as one of the best (or maybe the best) in the business.3. Chad Bunn
has NEVER been accused of any impropriety or cheating in all those years.Why he would suddenly choose a meaningless game in a meaningless season
to cheat and do something that would risk destroying his national reputation and
national consulting business? For BYU to win its SECOND game of the season?
Against SDSU? That makes no sense. Please let this go and quit trying to destroy
a decent man.And yes, many times in the future I have told BYU fans
to let it go and get over it when a bad call cost us a game.
oops, many times in the PAST I have told BYU fans to let it go! I hope the
future won't require it (but I'm sure it will)
I'm with lobocadelpozo: whatever the merits of SDSU's complaint, what do you
want the opponent's school's President to do???It seems like his two
choices are:a. Feel bad because you're right and were denied justiceb. Feel bad because you're wrong and wasted his timeSo, your objective
was to make him feel bad??? Do you feel good now?
In response to mysixsons' defense of Chad Bunn, has Bunn made any statement that
he was unaware of the video replay that showed a clear fumble? The head replay
official has been quoted saying that, but I have heard nothing from Bunn and the
other guy. The latest I heard was that Bunn had hired an attorney. If BYU wants
to clear the air about this, they need to investigate and find out whether Bunn
or the other guy had seen the television replay. If they did see the replay,
they need to apologize to SDSU for a clear ethical violation and consider
forfeiting. I really don't think that SDSU needs to get a win from this, but
neither should BYU profit from an ethical violation by an employee. If they deny having seen the television replay, and there is no further
evidence, then the matter should be dropped.
i had a good comment but it never got posted so lets try again tell SDS and
their boosters that it happens to all programs........and they need to get over
This is getting ridiculous. Yes a bad call, but I don't see how BYU is
responsible. These guys are simply trying to smear and defame the school. Jack
Goodall owns Rubio's Mexican Grill restaurants and I'll never go to one again.
Listen up Kewgs; however you want to spin it the bottom line is that BYU has
received a black eye from the controversy. Going forward whenever a
questionable call is made against the opponent (at the LES) a raised eyebrow
will occur. Trust has been broken.
If the roles were reversed, there would be 400 posts calling for the firing of
all replay officials at the game. Then an apology from Thompson and a reversal
of who won the game. BYU fans would be crazy right now if it happened to them.
Much ado about nothing. BYU outplayed SDSU. The team that played better that day
came away with a victory. Deal with it!!!Besides it wasn't the only
bad call the officials made that day. What else is new? It happens. A fumble
should have been ruled in favor of BYU earlier on the other end of the field,
which led to an SDSU score, so this game may have been closer because of the
officials not despite them.SDSU is lucky BYU is down this year and
couldn't convert on a few more plays, because that was the only thing that kept
BYU from blowing them out. Those boosters are poor sports.
Time to move on. San Diego State is having one of their best seasons in a long
time and nobody is talking about it because all the talk is about the two losses
and how they lost because of bad calls against Missouri and BYU. How about
focusing on the wins and the good things surrounding the program, the players
deserve that.As far as the BYU game, It should have been ruled a
fumble. Yes their was a facemask on the play but that call was not reviewable,
the fumble was. Still Nobody knows who would have won. At the time BYU was
winning 17 to 14. The rest of the game would have been completely different,
different field positions, different play calling, different situation. For
those that just assume that since BYU scored on that drive and won by 3 points
so if you take 7 points away, San Diego State wins by 4 doesn't really know
sports. For example, if BYU was down by 4 they wouldn't be running out the
clock on the final drive of the game. Unfortunately we will never know how the
game would have finished.
As far as the replay officials, they made a mistake, I do make a note that Bunn
who is also a BYU employee was acting as an employee of the Mountain West
Conference for that game. The Mountain West Conference hired him for that game
not BYU. More blame should be put on the Mountain West for that decision and
not BYU. It was good that the rule got changed although all be the first to say
that you will never be able to have people in the booth that are not football
fans so there will be football biases regardless. I watch many football games
and I always have an invested interest of who I want to win even though my team
is not playing. I graduated from University of Phoenix so I am not an alumni of
any school so anybody can hire me to work in the booth but I still am a big
College Football Fan and will be a fan while working the game and will have a
team I am rooting for. You just hope that the people hired treat it as a job
and throw those biases out when their making the decisions.
This is much more than a "bad call" There was a conflict of interest problem
and while it looks like Chad Bunn was not the man fully responsible, he needs to
step up and apologize. BYU's last statement in response to the
first letter from the SDSU boosters is now irrelevant and they really need to
apologize and come out and make a statement indicating they won't allow this to
happen again. Otherwise, they are in real danger of losing respect
Did you bother reading the article "Logicalperson""the MWC found NO
MALFEASANCE by the officials, all three were suspended because they did not
aggressively find all the evidence from live TV feeds in the play.""It became clear the replay official (Angelis) had become disproportionately
focused on the Camera No. 5 shot (which had player traffic obscuring the
football at certain points) and on the issue of "clear recovery."NO
MALFEASANCE means the MWC didn't find ANY EVIDENCE of cheating.The
head replay official who made the final decision chose not to watch the
available replay that showed the fumble more clearly.Even if SDSU
had been given the fumble, however, there's no guarantee that the Aztecs would
have won the game. SDSU could have fumbled the ball on the next play; SDSU could
have thrown a pick six; SDSU could have gone 3-and-out and had the punt blocked;
or BYU might simply have been forced to drive from a little deeper to score
their final TD.What might have happened if SDSU had gotten the
fumble they didn't deserve because the missed facemasking is all speculation.Nobody cheated. Bad calls. Time to move on.
Who cares? I would have much rather seen Armando Galarraga's perfect game given
to him, but the ump blew the call. Instead of whining, crying, writing letters,
questioning everyone's integrity, Armando kept his composure and said things
happen. He was a perfect gentleman. The ump apologized for blowing the call.
True sportsmanship was shown on both sides. Terrific examples as sportsmen and
human beings. Something real I can show to my kids of how to handle tough life
situations.It's sports, not human suffering in third world
countries. It doesn't matter. Move on SDSU! And Hedgehog, why do
you care? Just root for your team. They are having another awesome season and
could win the national championship this year. Game Day at Rice Eccles, maybe
the biggest game in the history of the Utes, and you're posting on this lame
issue? Whatever. As a Coug, I say go Utes!
CJ Miles I've seen lots of blown calls that cost BYU games, but I've
never once seen BYU fans writing the president of the opponent begging for the
other team to forfeit the game.If the roles were reversed, BYU fans
would recognize that the Cougars got away with two obvious facemasking penalties
that caused the fumble and move on.If SDSU fans were really honest
about seeking "justice", they'd recognize the same thing, and drop it.Two blown calls on the same play basically cancelled each other out and
justice was served.
Yes, Hedgehog, BYU has received a black eye from the controversy, courtesy of
the MWC. The MWC and its rule/bylaws governing replays should keep conflicts of
interest to a minimum to avoid even the appearance of partiality in reviewing
calls. But with BYU departing the conference next year, the black eye BYU is
receiving suits Craig Thompson just fine...Somehow, I think BYU will survive.
Not so sure about the MWC.
SDSU and the Mountain West are losing respect nationally the longer these
complaints get drawn out.Anyone trying to implicate BYU is grasping
at straws. The MWC did the hiring and SDSU is complaining about a call when they
should blame their team for getting outplayed. Hair Thompson wasn't
in the booth so who cares how he tries to spin it against BYU?Those
of you asking Bunn or BYU to apologize do so off of alleged reasons not off of
anything actual. There is nothing more for BYU to say and doing so would only
make them look bad. Continuing to talk about nothing makes those who keep
wanting more to come from this look worst of all. Another black eye on the
anti-BYU fans out there who think they are besmirching BYU. Think again!!!
Solomon the Wise,"I've seen lots of blown calls that cost BYU
games,"Name one."If the roles were reversed, BYU fans
would recognize that the Cougars got away with two obvious facemasking penalties
that caused the fumble and move on."Is this serious? You are not
being honest with yourself. You are giving emotional fans WAY too much credit.
This is bologna, and you know it.But the truth is, BYU needs to
apologize, and then SDSU should move on, focus on winning the rest of their
games. But, BYU is not being honest with itself if it does not retract its
original reply and apologize for the conflict of interest problem, and promise
to fix it in the future.
As a BYU Cougar fan, I FREELY ADMIT the call was blown and that SDSU has a
legitimate complaint.I also admit if the roles were reversed, BYU
fans would be JUST AS ANGRY as the Aztec fans. (And as a sidenote, I know the
Utes fans would be piling on BYU to "get over it")But here's my
question. If the MWC leaders came forward and said, "We're sorry for what
happened and we promise to fix the situation so it doesn't happen again" would
that be enough? Should BYU be forced to forfeit the game?If BYU is
forced to forfeit the game, that means the Cougars will likely finish this
season at 5-7, making them ineligible to play in a bowl game, thus denying the
seniors on the Cougar team one more chance to play in the post-season, for
something that wasn't their fault.What I want to know is, how should
this END? Is an apology enough? Is some type of reform enough? Or should the BYU
players and coaches ALL be punished by stripping them of a win and a chance to
play in a bowl game?
One thing is crystal clear in this case: there was a HUGE conflict of interest
which BOTH the MWC and the BYU employees should have recognized.(2)The fumble was reviewable and clearly would have been called, but for the
gross negligence or intentional misconduct of the replay crew.(3)
The face mask non-call was NOT reviewable and is completely irrelevant.(4) IMHO this should be ruled a non-contest and the loss removed from SDSU's
record and the win removed from BYU's.
yep, and if the same thing happened to utah instead of sdsu, it'd be the same
thing also. Just some u fans trying to make it look like only BYU fans are
whiners. I've heard plenty coming from u fans, and even more from
wyoming fans and their radio guys. It happens everywhere- just not to the
extent of 3 multi-millionaire boosters writing letters to the opposing school's
president.The BBALL game against new mexico in provo last year had
some controversial calls at the end, I don't recall any formal protests or
letters written by BYU fans over that one.
Wouldn't it be nice if logical people would read the story before
commenting?"In response to mysixsons' defense of Chad Bunn, has Bunn
made any statement that he was unaware of the video replay that showed a clear
fumble? The head replay official has been quoted saying that, but I have heard
nothing from Bunn and the other guy."While Angelis, Bunn and Moon
have never commented on the incident as per league rules, a source close to one
of the three told the Deseret News that Bunn told Angelis there were other
camera angles of the play and Angelis said, "No, I got this.""===Who was "quoted" as saying anything? And when you accuse people of cheating as
in previous posts, I see nothing anywhere to back it up. It is clearly a
cheapshot at someone who does not deserve it.===Ben, why
should BYU apologize? For what, the actions of the MWC and their crew?You are usually logical, but you have really missed it on this one. Did
Colorado apologize to anyone for their "fifth down" in their NC split year?Why should they?It was not BYU's "conflict of interest"?Apologize?
Big Ben: Dude, your out to lunch on this one. Please read the article again
and redo your post. We deserve a better effort from you. You phoned this one in
and didn't put much effort into your work...it's like you sent in the first
College athletics is supposed to be about honor and fairness. Everybody saw the
fumble except the person in the booth who was supposed to make the decision. His
views were "Filtered" by the BYU employees. All three were suspended
without very good explanations why.Why should people complain? Because the
obvious happened. What should BYU do? They should forfeit the game. Based on the
facts on hand, it is clear that the Replay booth official was shielded from
seeing the correct replay by the BYU staffers. AKA there was cheating done.Just like the players on the team represent the school so do the BYU staffers
represent the school.Until BYU does the right thing, there is no reason to
Things that don't matter. Any supposed facemask calls that were not made
the entire game. Calls get missed. This is not about missed calls. It is about
deliberately misleading the game official.Game stats about time of
possession or offensive/defensive stats don't matter as much as the final score.
A true college football fan knows that one the most important thing in the game
is "To take care of the football" Turn overs are big. They lead to big point
shifts in a game in a game that is also affected by emotions and momentum.
@ Big Ben: I'll name one. A couple years back when BYU was at UCLA, the
reciever was ruled to have fumbled the ball, but replay showed his knee was
down. Should have been BYU ball. We would have won the game. I'm gonna write
the PAC10 and the Prez of UCLA right now.To all those calling for a
change in standings due to 1 call, that's absurd. Talk to Colorado about the 5
downs in their championship year. How about the PI penalty in 2008 against OSU
that kept a drive alive in the hill. Puhleeez!
@ Wyoming CougarA foul in basketball means far less than a change of
possession from a fumble in football.@ P Sylvanyes, it
was the MWC call to have the replay officials in the spots they were. BYU
should apologize because they have information that an employee of theirs
(whether or not he was working in that capacity at that time) was a part of a
situation where gross negligence on his part was shown. I don't think he was
trying to help BYU; I don't think he was part of a conspiracy. But there was
negligence on his part and he is an employee of the University, regardless of
what he was doing at the time. I agree, this game, on further
review, should be removed from both team's official record books.
What "gross negligence" Big_Ben?Straight from the article:"Bunn told Angelis there were other camera angles of the play and Angelis
said, "No, I got this.""What was Bunn supposed to do, force Angelis
to view the other angles after he'd already made his final decision?Until this particular incident, 5 or 6 other MWC teams were also using alumni
or others with ties the host school in their replay booths, INCLUDING UTAH.Should we also go back and review every questionable call made in those
replay booths since replay was instituted just to make sure that a "conflict of
interest" that wasn't made public didn't occur?The MWC determined
that no malfeaance occurred. You do understand what that means don't you? It
means that even though there was an apparent conflict of interest, NOBODY
CHEATED. It was simply a blown call. As was the non-call for facemasking on the
same play.Two wrongs don't normally make a right, but in this
particular case, it would have been just as much of an injustice for BYU to lose
the ball because of a non-call, as the blown replay was for SDSU.
A good rule of thumb, ignore all things hedgehog says. They are beyond
DakuwagaSo was replay being used at the time of that UCLA call? If not, it really does not matter because this WAS a reviewable play. A
PI is not reviewable along with the face mask on the same play in Provo.The question is, why was the correct feed not given to the ump to make
the right call? I watched the play and it was an easy call to make (on
replay).They should have stopped play until they had irrefutable
evidence, but that did not happen. Let it go.
"I agree, this game, on further review, should be removed from both team's
official record books."Get real!You only agree because
it's not your ox being gored, Big_Ben. Usually, you're one of the
more reasonable Utah fans, but in this case, you're allowing your loyalties to
cloud your logic.If a Utah alum working in Utah's replay booth this
year had been faced with exactly the same situation as Bunn and had responded in
exactly same way with the exact same result, would you really petition Young to
remove the game from the record books and possibly cost Utah a chance at playing
in the Rose Bowl just to be "fair" on a play that nobody can say actually
determined the outcome of the game?Would you be demanding an apology
from Utah for a decision Utah had absolutely nothing to do with?If
the MWC had felt before this incident that having people with ties to one of the
competing teams working in the replay booth was a conflict of interest, they
would have had a rule in place preventing that a long time ago.
"BYU should apologize because they have information that an employee of theirs
(whether or not he was working in that capacity at that time) was a part of a
situation where gross negligence on his part was shown."Ben, you
really can back off this one. An employee that shows negligence while working in
their employ might in certain situations cause the employer (BYU) to
apologize.But an employee working for the MWC, with the MWC's
knowledge of what he does for a full-time living living, has nothing to do with
BYU.They cannot tell him that he cannot use his expertise working
for the MWC. Only the MWC can do that (which they have to avoid the appearance
of conflict of interest), but you cannot be serious trying to hold BYU
accountable on this.Do you even understand what the legalities of
what you are suggesting? An apology would mean that the University has something
they did wrong.Which they did not.Slandering officials
because you don't like the institution is just a cheap shot.You, and
the rest of your Utah fans, should actually be the ones considering an
apology.(PS... I remember Moose Stubing)
@ utahcountyute: The challenge issued by Big Ben was to name one call that cost
BYU a game. So I did. Bunn was hired by the MWC ot be there, so
it's not BYU's fault. The lead official took charge and had what he thought was
enought to make the call. I agree, it's time to move on...and
apparently BYU has, it's SDSU and the HOH that can't seem to move on.
Wow- rather than manning up to an appearance of impropriety, Y'ners continue to
bleat the "bad calls happen in every game" mantra. But they don't with an
employee and a homer in the replay booth.Just like Obama, you don't
While we're at it, can we all go back to 2005 (I think it was) and review the
horrible call that gave an overtime win to TCU? You know, the one where the guy
clearly fumbled the ball before crossing the goal line, which was followed by
the ball rolling through the end zone and out of bounds? Which should have
resulted in a touchback for BYU, giving them the win; but was instead ruled a
touchdown for TCU, giving them the win?There were PLENTY of other
plays in the SDSU-BYU game this year that helped decided the outcome. It's time
to move on. Just like we can't go back 4 or 5 years and change a call, it would
be ridiculous to try and change the call from a game that ended a couple of
weeks ago.SDSU just needs to quit crying and move on.
As I read the comments its obvious that most of you haven't even read the
article. Moreover it shows what your real intent is. You don't care about
anything other than showing your hate for BYU. It's funny how the lead official
(from Reno) is given a pass but the other 2 should be hung. I was on the fence
concerning independence. Now I believe its a good thing. The MWC along with
Thompson is a Joke. Thompson could put a stop to this but apparently doesn't
want to. Good ridance to the MWC and SDSU.....
CalNative"Wow- rather than manning up to an appearance of
impropriety,..."Interesting that "manning up", by your definition,
is simply caving in to a bunch of whiners who can't man up to the fact that SDSU
lost because the Aztecs were outplayed.The MWC has already
determined that there was no impropriety, so an "appearance of impropriety" is
meaningless.You lost. Get over it.
Hey, the BYU officials in the booth are just following the lead of the BYU
offense - laid back style and all. Can't blame them.
"(3) The face mask non-call was NOT reviewable and is completely irrelevant."Why do people keep saying this? We know it is not "officially"
reviewable since it wasn't called, but the fact that it happened but wasn't
called makes it somewhat relevant. Isn't that what the controversy is all
about-- a bad call by the officials?Like I said, we know it isn't
"officially" reviewable, but the officials in the booth probably unofficially
considered it and made their decision knowing that it SHOULD have been called,
and had it been called, a personal foul ALWAYS trumps a fumble call, and BYU may
have even been given 15 yards for it.As far as "what-if"s and
"if-only"s, we can make our own-- if only the refs had called the facemasks, BYU
would have been given more yards and would have scored more quickly, leaving
time on the clock for yet another BYU touchdown after a 3 and out by SDSU. See?
Pretty silly, aren't they?Get over it SDSU. BYU won fair and
They got away with one, so did BYU, report both of them if you're going to cry a
river. Oh well, the mwc can cry all they want, since they are losing
their money makers next year. Mr. Thompson, we won't miss you,signed BYUCo-signed ESPN
Riverton CougarSince you don't get it, let me explain. The teams go
into the game with an understanding and agreement about what the rules will be.
Both teams understand that if the refs miss a face mask infraction there is
nothing that will be done about it. That's why it's completely irrelevant. No
one had any right to expect the non-call would be reviewed and reversed.On the other hand, both teams agree and understand that questionable
funbles or loose balls will be reviewed and that if the video replay shows
clearly that the referees made the wrong call, that call will be reversed. SDSU
had an absolute right to expect that would happen.It didn't happen,
because the replay crew (some or all) were at a minimum negligent or, in the
worst case, dishonest (no, I'm not alleging that).Finally, making
matters worse, two of the replay crew were employees of BYU with a clear
conflict of interest, which as reasonably intelligent people, they must have
recognized. Yes, MWC hired them, but they should have foreseen this problem and
declined the employment during BYU games.
Bunn and Moon should not be allowed to work in the video booth just as I should
not be allowed to work in the video booth for Utah-TCU or Utah-BYU game.As much as I want Utah to beat TCU and BYU, I would not really stand so
low to have those wins at any cost of integrity.
fenderWe get it. You're such a hater that you can't even accept
facts:--the MWC hired all three officials to work in the replay
booth--Bunn was the only replay official who was a BYU employee and the
MWC knew that Bunn worked for BYU--BYU was not alone in using officials
with ties to the school in their video booth; other MWC schools have been doing
the same thing for years--the MWC did not view this as a conflict of
interest--the head official understood that there were other views of the
replay available--the head replay official decided he didn't need to look
at other replays to make his decision--the head replay official made the
final decision on the fumble--even though the call was made incorrectly,
the MWC decided that nobody cheated--every team expects the officiating to
be fair and BYU had just as much right to have the facemasking penalty called
correctly on the field as SDSU had to have the fumble called correctly in he
video boothSo what are we missing fender?The fact that
it was a series of mistakes that lead to a correct result?
How about a 2nd replay booth, to review the review taking place in the first
What did Thompson say with regards to the equally obvious SDSU fumble a few
drives earlier also viewed on "national tv" by dozens if not hundreds of fans
across the country? Did he write a letter to BYU Boosters? Did the reply crew
also botch this call, or fail to be sufficiently aggressive? The media,
including the Deseret News by allowing the focus of the poor officiating to
remain on just one call has allowed the story to become distorted. I guess I am
equally guilty though cause I continue to read these stupid articles and give
this stupidity the time of day. :) Poor officiating is something we are all
used to...let's get on with life (and football).
Wow, way too much is being made of this. And for Utah fans, you do not even have
a dog in this hunt. Your time would be better spent preparing for TCU. For SDSU fans, all except 3 have gotten over it. BYU fans, keep
commenting on this and it gives credibiltiy to the accusers. Leave it alone.
I am glad SDSU lost and BYU won. Go Cougars. Get ready
This is getting beyond rediculous. How is BYU responsible for a call by an
official from Reno NV?What does a letter to the BYU president
accomplish?One more thing, when a play is up for video review
wouldnt the official look at every camera angle available every time? There
cant be more than 3 angles available. I cant even imagine why an official
wouldnt do that every time unless the call was so clear the first time that it
was not necessary to look at the others.MWC officials are where any
anger should be focused and not BYU. Everyone else is just looking for a reason