The majority of undocumented immigrants in Utah jails are being detained solely
for border-crossing violations, Morgan said."They have not committed
a crime other than they don't have papers," he said. "Technically, coming across
the border is a civil offense – something you can't be put in jail
for."-------------------------------Anyone else catch this
contradiction? How could they be in jail for border-crossing violations if it's
something you can't be put in jail for? Actually, the law states that a first
time crossing without inspection can be subject to a fine an 6 months in jail.
The penalties go up from there for repeat offenders.I'm getting
tired of the slanted studies and misrepresented facts put forth by the
Sutherland Institute. Their researches aren't nearly as sharp as they esteem
themselves to be.
The DN is at it again, giving illegal support and harbor to criminal illegal
aliens and once again skewing the data about illegal alien. ALL crimes count,
civil and criminal. Crimes against the people are just as devastating and
destructive as killing. Theft, lies, deceit, criminal intents to deceive and
steal is a crime. What school of law did the DN attend and what give
them the right to falsify data that consider some crimes not worth mentioning.
What gives the DN the right to be judge and jury and decide what crimes illegals
are allowed to commit and not call it a crime? Disgusting role that the news
media is playing in defending millions of criminals. Shattering and destroying
American lives is no justification to tolerate the acts of criminals illegal
aliens.Sure, American are mostly immigrants, but we were all legal
immigrants who got documented, identified, and a medical examination to keep out
or treat diseases. There is a major difference in legal immigration and criminal
occupation of a country with one intent, loot and pilfer America.
This article fails to point out the percentage of the population in Utah that
are illegals. Without those data, the rest of the article is meaningless. If 12
percent of all murderers are illegals, does that mean that more than 12 percent
of the people in Utah are illegals? I doubt it, but if not, then that means that
the title of the article is misleading, and that illegals ARE responsible for a
disproportionate amount of violent crime.Either way, when illegals
are contacted by the police, they should be arrested and deported.
I can see the rules for these undocumented people are not very fair and end up
in for life. The State will get theirs when these people get old and need
attention of medical services. This problem has and is already a concern of the
State, Let them swallow it.
What a bunch of DN ordered baloney this is. They don't cause unemployment? Ask
people who used to work in the construction industry if they do or don't cause
unemployment. This is nothing more than another attempt by the DN to push their
amnesty agenda. As far as crime goes, ANY crime they commit is far too much,
they have no right to be here in the first place and their very presence IS A
CRIME. More DN illegal alien propaganda!
It's so easy to cloud the issue by talking about "immigrants" without making the
distinction as to their legal status. I believe that the vast majority of
American citizens welcome legal immigrants to this great land of ours, whether
those legal immigrants be from Asia, Africa, Europe, or even Latin America or
elsewhere. The problem arises when a specific group of people determine that
their need to come to this country justifies doing so without proper paperwork
or approval, effectively flaunting our immigration system. Like those who cut in
line or drive on the shoulder of the road to bypass the legal drivers stuck in
the same traffic jam, this selfish activity of putting their interest first over
the millions who have to wait until they can immigrate legally should NOT be
rewarded or encouraged. There are billions of people on this planet
who live in similar circumstances--or worse--than our Hispanic neighbors who
flow across our border from the south. I'd like to see those bleeding hearts out
there who defend the predominantly Hispanic "illegal aliens" start campaigning
and/or assisting more African or Asian immigrants with their arrival and
assimilation into America.
You know, it does not matter what the percentages say or do not say. ANY percent
is too much, period. Any crimes committed by undocumented workers is too
many/much. No, I am not a racist. My ancestors came to this country legally,
that is my only reason for being so opinionated. Do it right to begin with and
stay for the same, otherwise is is nothing short of hypocrisy. Just
the results of these crimes is enough to crusade for tighter laws to prosecute
these kinds of criminals/crimes.
According to the Social Security Administration, 75% of illegal aliens use a
fraudulently obtained Social Security number which is a felony. So, 75% of
illegal aliens are committing felonies.In addition, identity theft
and illegal immigration go hand-in-hand because illegal aliens use the Social
Security numbers that belong to American men, women and children to get jobs.In Utah, it is estimated that 50,000 kids have their Social Security
numbers being used by illegal aliens for employment purposes. This is identity
fraud under Utah law and a major felony. In Arizona, an estimated one million
children are victims of illegal alien driven identity theft.The kids
who have their Social Security numbers used by illegal aliens suffer real harm -
damaged credit, arrest records assigned to their names, denied medical benefits
and corrupted medical records that can have life threatening consequences.Sutherland and others who study illegal alien criminal activity would do
well to present the entire story and stop trying to protect the vast majority of
illegal aliens who are committing felonies that harm millions of American
"Twelve percent of convicted murderers and 8 percent of sex offenders at the
state prison are undocumented immigrants."Do illegal immigrants make
up 12% of our total population? No. Do they make up 8% of our 2,784,572
population? I hope not.
In fairness to immigrants, perhaps we should also deport our politicians. As I
was looking for places to place my campaign signs yesterday, I found most
candidate signs are posted where their are absentee landowners -- vacant corner
commercial lots, chain-link fences along canals, etc. It seems candidates are
posting not where it is legal (they need the property owner's permission), but
where they can get away with not doing it legally. Absentee landowners are not
going to be checking those sites regularly.So, what is the difference? The
immigrant sneaks onto our property without permission. The politician sneaks his
signs onto someone else's property without permission. We could as well ask the
politician, "What part of the word illegal don't you understand?" Well, I
suppose the punishment needs to fit the crime, so rather than deport them out of
our country, we should just deport them off the ballot. I warn you, though, if
we don't give advance warning, there are not going to be many left on Tuesday's
ballot -- and precious few will be left to fill our offices.-- John
Jackson, candidate Utah House District 41 (stretching from Sandy up through
"Data indicate, however, that immigrants contribute to the productivity of the
nation. Because immigrants tend to work for less, they have lowered the cost of
production, Perlich said. That, in turn, has raised the standard of living for
the middle class."Most jobs taken by illegal immigrants are not
agriculture, they are middle class jobs. How can they make the middle class
better off, if they lower our wages? Any group that's lumps legal
and illegal immigrants together are doing a disservice to honest legal
This article is another piece of politically correct garbage!
The author failed to prove his point--that undocumented workers do not commit a
disproportionate amount of crime--because he failed to cite the proportion of
illegal immigrants to the total population. Do illegal immigrants make up 8
percent (sex offenders) or 12 percent (murderers) of the total population? If
not, then the public's perception that they commit a disproportionate amount of
crime is valid. However, the author did point out that it is the
kids and grandkids--even though they are legal, because they were born
here--that are more likely to commit crime than their illegal parents. Unlike
their parents or grandparents, some children of illegals do not appreciate the
freedoms and opportunties offered here and are more likely to grow-up feeling
disadvantaged. (Is that what they mean by failing to assimilate?) They don't
want the hard physical labor jobs their parents had, and they become frustrated
and then susceptible to gang influence. Once they get into a gang, crime is
just around the corner. Crimes of the children of illegals should
be factored into the equasion, because after all, our society wouldn't be
dealing with them if their parents hadn't come here.
The data's flawed, the data's flawed, said the little boy who cried wolf. LOL!!
I do not believe in a blanket amnesty, but there has got to be a practical way
we can assimilate immigrants. This country was historically built - to a large
degree - on the industry of it's immigrants. However, as it is now,
we are ignoring our own immigration laws, which is a BAD idea. We need to
either obey our own laws, or change them, period.
Bryan has an excellent point. I decided to read comments for someone making
that point. I will add to it: Utah has a population of ~2.7 million. According
to statemaster.com, the number of illegals in Utah is ~65,000. Do some quick
math and you discover that 2.3% of the population of Utah are here illegally.
These people commit 12% of murders. Ack! That means the illegals commit murder
at a rate 5.1 times that of a legal citizen. This bears out my belief that
illegals commit a disproportionate amount of crime, not a greater NUMBER of
crimes.As far as employment goes - when we lived in Phoenix a few years
ago, my daughter could not get a job at the local water park. Months later, INS
raided that park and found that dozens working there were illegals. These
people are paid less than minimum wage. Is that fair?I am all for legal
immigration - I respect those that come here legally. Those that come illegally
are more likely to cause more problems than their cheap labor is worth.
I don't believe in a blanket amnesty, but might there be a better way to
assimilate immigrants. Historically, this country has been built on the industry
of immigrants.But, we can't continue as it is. We are ignoring our
own laws. That is a BAD idea, whether it's immigration laws or others. Either
respect them, or change them. Don't wink at them.
Just being ILLEGAL is a crime. So all those who are should be prosecuted to the
full extent of the law. Even if they are contributing like the Argentine
family. Yes, they had an extenuating circumstance, but still the immigration
law is for everyone.
5%? So if 5% of the criminals are in jail...how many of these illegal criminals
are there that belong in jail? And when do we start enforcing the laws.....I can
not wait for the Sandstrom law to be enforced.......I am sick of people who have
no respect for the rule of LAW!
To those who say these people should leave, how many of you are willing to do
the work they do? How many of you tell your children to aspire to jobs of
picking crops, cleaning toilets, working in a slaughter house?Don't
clamor to get rid of these people unless you are willing to man up and take
their place and encourage your children to do the same.
Each and every one of them are criminal trespassers by being in this Country
unlawfully to begin with. I guess that was just an inconvenient truth, so it
got left out of the count.
As Col. Potter would say "Horse Hockey".
Before we get all teary eyed about the importance of others obeying the law, let
us obey it first. Lets pay Utah use tax on purchases bought online and lets obey
speed limits.Then and only then can we point the finger at others
for not obeying laws of similar gravity.A famous Indian saying goes
something like this, "Your actions are speaking so loud, I can't hear what you
are saying". Or was it ... "White man speak with fork-ked tongue".
To all those busting the DN chops over statistics According to the latest Census
Bureau estimates, Hispanics make up 12% of the Utah population. If ANY of the
Hispanics counted by the the Census Bureau of citizens or legal aliens, then
Hispanics make up a disproportionately SMALL percentage of the prisoners in jail
for murder, and an even smaller percentage of sex offenders. So please stop
posting all this dribble without checking facts and doing some homework.
We need more articles like this. I want to know the facts before making up my
mind. Prejudice and fear take you nowhere good.
What really is the drive for crime is one's economic situation, not the illegal
aliens. That point was not made clearly enough. People are sick and
tired of having their hard earned money given for welfare and social taxes given
to those who are undocumented workers, who have anchor babies and stay. That is
the root cause of this touchy situation. If you work in this country, legally
obtain the Green card, Visa, or become a citizen. The drug lords are
also literally causing the influx of people, because people are trying to get
away from them. We get that life in America is better than Mexico. The
government needs to find the solution to make living here with legal
qualifications. America AND Mexico need to work together on this.
Carman is mistaken. The article states that it is illegals that make up 12% of
convicted murderers in prison. If that statistic was representative of the
illegal population in Utah, then there would be roughly 320,000 illegals in
Utah. I think all agree that there are not 320,000 illegals in Utah, therefore,
murders by illegals exceed their percentage of the population. But the real
point is: all those murdered by illegals would be alive if the illegals weren't
here at all! Whose life are you putting on the line because you do not want to
believe that illegals are any type of problem?
I was over at the jail this past summer and I noticed that virtually everyone
inside and outside the jail were hispanic. So it begs the quesiton...where did
the data come from? If most of the people I saw at the jail were hispanic, then
how could they only make up 5% of the jail population.
Headlines after we protect our borders..."murder down 12%".
As a retired law enforcement officer, I continued to be appalled at the
misinformation that is provided to garner support for those who are here
illegally! Let the facts speak for themselves: 1. The most recent data
shows 2.6% of Utah's population are illegal immigrants.2. 12% of those
convicted of murder are illegal immigrants.3. In this very same paper, it
is reported that the man who killed the Millard county police officer was an
Illegal immigrant in possession of a AK 44.4. His friend, who hid him
from law enforcement was an illegal immigrant.5. This nation was built by
immigrants - LEGAL immigrants.
Sutherland is a political group that represents some Salt Lake City business
interests (including members of the chamber of commerce) on illegal immigration.
Their opinion carries no more weight than the man on the street to
me. Illegal immigration is a crime, that's why they are in jail.
Also 12% of the jail population for just murder would equal 330,000 people
illegally in our state. Is Sutherland trying to convince us, or stir
things up? Using legal immigration, to convince us illegal
immigration is good, is a failed attempt to convince. I think we are all smarter
One out of every eight murder victims would be alive today if our borders were
enforced.Assuming other violent crimes are committed at the same
ratio, that means one out of eight assault victims treated at hospitals would
not need treatment if our borders were enforced. That would reduce medical
costs for all of us.One out of eight burglaries or car thefts would
not occur if our borders were enforced. That would cut insurance costs for
everyone.And, Deputy Josie Fox would still be alive patrolling our
streets, if our borders were enforced.There is no excuse, none at
all, for allowing people to violate our borders. Send every one of them back
where they came from immediately.Legal immigrants are welcome, but
criminals are not, even if their first criminal act is only entering our country
WE must vote any elected officials who support illegals,. or who aren't willing
to put some teeth in our Immigration laws out of office
OH! Only 12% of murderers and 8% of the rapists in the prisons are illegals.
That should make the families of these victims sleep better at night. Heck it
could be higher right!?
Calling an ILLEGAL by another name does NOTHING to help the cause of keeping
them out of our country. I have nothing against ANY ONE coming here, LEGALLY!!!!
Get off of the Liberal Agenda of changing words to soothe the TRUTH!!
Enforce the law. Period. Deportment is appropriate.
Ronald Mortensen 7:11 a.m."In Utah, it is estimated that 50,000 kids
have their Social Security numbers being used by illegal aliens for employment
purposes."I wish they'd start using mine... I need more quarters to
qualify for SS benefits.All kidding aside, identity theft is a
serious problem. It might be wise for parents to check with SS Administration
to see if their kids' SS number is being used illegally.The Utah
Attorney General's office advised that they are seriously investigating into
this issue. I plan to contact them again in the near future and ask for
statistics on how many cases they have prosecuted to date.
@ utahmtnman | 8:08 a.m. Oct. 30, 2010 "Unlike their parents or
grandparents, some children of illegals do not appreciate the freedoms and
opportunties offered here and are more likely to grow-up feeling
disadvantaged."Let's put it another way. What did you do to "earn"
your freedom besides being born here? I know I didn't do anything special. I
just got lucky. They feel disadvantaged because there really are real barriers
to their success in this country, and the children of illegal immigrants haven't
done anything wrong to deserve that. Punish the parents, not the children.Saying "our society wouldn't be dealing with them if their parents
hadn't come here" is like saying "they didn't technically break any laws but
it's ok to treat them as if they had because it's more convenient for us that
I'm sure some of the children that grow up here do feel disadvantaged because of
their parents decision. But that is between them and their parents. It's not
societies job to try to compensate children for their parents bad decision. We don't give the children of bank robbers the money. I had
friends that were born into money. That does not give me the right to steal from
them. What about the children who's parents are dealing with
identity theft? What about the children of poor legal immigrants who lost their
job to someone here illegally, because they work for less? And what about the
children waiting in line in other countries to come here? It all
boils down to lawbreaking and entering a country illegally to work. It should
not be tolerated or accepted. And all the studies by Sutherland does not make it
Does Utah really want to become California? If that happens, you'll know what
the true cost is.I know of one privately-run federal prison nearby,
where more than 2000 of 2300 inmates are illegals.Not that long ago,
if an immigrant legally came to America, took any kind of public assistance,
they were sent home.I know there are humanitarian arguments, but
again, Utah, it is your choice to remain what your are, or become something
Lots to be learned from this article and the comments being posted, depending on
what is real. A prison with 2,000 undocumenteds out of 2,300 prisoners? Is that
true? Fifty thousand Utah kids are victims of identity theft? I do answer one
post, the one saying we are a nation of immigrants -- legal immigrants. I would
note that was back when immigration was legal, and we make it so difficult now
that it has become, for many, illegal.I wish we would change our laws,
make it legal for them to come. Are we to deprive all of being Americans because
some of those who come are coming are committing crime? Are we throwing the good
immigrants in a pool with those who commit crimes? Our system of dispensing
liberty and justice for all should not be so. Rather than asking whether they
are legal, we should ask if we should allow them to come legally, making them
legal. Many of them simply want to be Americans, simply want to pursue
happiness. Do we tell them to seek their refuge elsewhere, because the previous
person out of that country murdered someone? -- John Jackson
For those who don't want any more of "them" crossing the border, no amount of
statistics will change their minds.We need an infusion of new labor.
Undocumented workers are more law abiding than native residents. They work
harder for less pay. They seek government benefits more than native residents.
They are less "entitlement" oriented. They pay taxes. The more we allow them
to work here, the better life will be both here and in their home countries.For those who say they only oppose illegal residents, I say, then why
don't you support an increase in work visas? As it is now, it is virtually
impossible for legal workers from abroad to meet the demand we have for their
help. We need each other.Nevertheless, statistics are on the side
of allowing more visas.Show amnesty unto visa violators as you would
have amnesty shown unto us speeders and Utah use tax cheats.
well pure and simple if the goverment would do its job like its supposed to
there would be no crimes committed by umdocumented worked because they wouldn't
be here in the first place !!
John C. C. seems to not be aware that the current unemployment rate is about
10%. He also seems to be rather complacent about all the Americans who are out
of work, can't pay their mortgages, and who need the jobs being held by
illegals. He also seems to think that a low-wage economy is something our
nation should strive for. The greatest increase in the middle-class and the
wealth of the nation occurred during a time when immigration was very low. We
need to work to make our nation better. Mass immigration is not the way to do
it unless you are one of those exploiting cheap labor for your own benefit and
to the detriment of the nation as a whole.
Giovanni Peri, an associate professor at the University of California-Davis and
a visiting scholar at the San Francisco Fed released a new study showing what
economists have claimed all along, that immigration does not significantly
impact the amount of jobs available to U.S.—born workers. Peri concludes
that “there is no evidence that immigrants crowd out U.S.-born workers in
either the short or long run.” Immigrants, both legal and illegal, help
boost salaries increase jobs, and boost overall productivity.The
best way out of this recession is to allow a fresh flow of legal labor to join
us. Believe in the free market? A free flow of labor is part of a
free market.Believe in crime reduction? Arizona, Colorado, and
other states with large immigrant inflows in the last decade enjoyed significant
drops in violent crime over the same period. Can't say the same for the poor
wretches stuck south of the border with few jobs available outside of running
drugs north to our rich relatives and neighbors.Don't believe it?
Consider your sources, then look it up for yourself. Better yet, get to know
some of our new brothers and sisters.
thats very nice. they still don't belong here. nobody who comes here illegally
does. doesn't matter what color they are or where they came from.
Do not believe anything that the press says about illegals. Being in the
country illegally is a crime. What about all the illegal drugs growing
operations found in Utah this year? All that I heard of were run by illegals.
DN, that is a felony crime. Please, report the other side of the story.
Great. Now, let's get back to the issue at hand. An illegal person in this
country is just that, ILLEGAL. I do not care if they are committing all the
crime of none of it. They are still illegal. Period. Go home or try to get
permanent citizen status but follow the laws of OUR land, not yours.
The article fails to give a critical piece of information: What percentage of
people in Utah are illegal immigrants? Surely this is an easy number for the
reporter to find. If the number of illegals is lower than the % of people in
detention for crimes, then there is a disproportionate percentage of crime being
committed by illegals. You can't take only half of an equation and make
sweeping generalizations. This is really poor journalism. Give us the rest of
the numbers and then interpret them appropriately.
Perlich appears to suggest that growth is essential to a healthy economy. We
have learned that a 3 percent growth rate is not sustainable and subject to
devastating backlash.Briggs (Cornell) and Chiswick (Chicago) suggest that
we can and must learn how to create an economy that is not dependent upon
population growth through immigration. The 1924-1965 pattern was successful and
we relied on 4 percent foreign-born rather than the current 13 percent.Another importany omission Perlich made in helping us understand that there is
no labor shortage and there never was. The injection of willing workers to
compete with low-skilled citizens only weakens wages...and benefits...and
5% of criminals in Utah jails are undocumented immigrants…12% of
convicted murderers are undocumented immigrants…8% of sex offenders
are undocumented immigrants…So…What percentage of the Utah
population are undocumented immigrants?The article’s premise
is that these numbers do not support the assumption that undocumented immigrants
are not proportionately represented. Is Utah’s population
really 5% undocumented immigrants??? 8% or 12% I am
confused…If 5% of Utah’s population are undocumented immigrants does
that put the numbers at approximately 139,000 people (2,784,572 * 5%)? Are there really that many?I wish the article would explore
the numbers more to support the assertions.
The majority sentiment expressed in the replies to the Sutherland study is
fascinating. To so completely ignore what in fact is the reality of illegal
immigration highlighted in this and other DN articles underscores the
truthfulness of the adage that people mostly believe what they want to believe
and find what they look for. The real question is why is it that so many Utahns
are so fervently fixated on so much that is simply nonsense on the perils of
Re:AjaxWhat is the reality of illegal immigration highlighted in
this article????Not arguing with you but your reply seeems to turn a
blind eye to the missing arguements?What is it that we want to
believe that this article points out??Are we accepting at face value
from this article that there are no problems with illegal immigrants here in
Utah? The actual numbers seem to refute that premise.
It's time we stop using illegal immigration as the scapegoat for all our social
woes. The truth is that failing moral standards are far more destructive than
having hard working people who don't speak the language join us in a pursuit of
happiness and prosperity. Rather than heaping blame upon illegal
immigrants we should be pursuing policies that welcome them, and encourage the
best cultural ideals among them--perserving their strong work-ethic and moral
values, applauding their ingenuity and determination. It's time to
unplug the haters that continue to insist that the only solution to illegal
immigration is a warlike stance. It's time to ignore the fearmongers that
continue to infest these sorts of forums claiming that they're going to be
overrrun any day now. And it's time to make the most of this opportunity by
creating an atmosphere that is inclusive rather than exclusive. One based upon
brotherly kindness, cooperation and love rather than distrust, hatred and
prejudice. Believe it or not, illegals care about the same sorts of
fears and problems that our nation faces--but we've yet to actually engage their
support. Instead it's the blamegame.
Maybe only 5% of those in JAIL are illegal, but that just means that most of
them are still on the streets. Just watch and listen to the news every evening.
It's a no-brainer.
I don't doubt that a majority of crime is committed by citizens. The fact
remains, however, that a significant percentage of illegal aliens in this
country do not respect the laws. If they did, they wouldn't be here.Also, I wonder how many of those sitting in our jails, while considered legal
residents themselves, are the CHILDREN of illegal immigrants? Maybe they should
incorporate THAT into their study.
Let's Be Real - No such thing as "permanent citizen" status. I think you are
thinking of "permanent resident" status, and that isn't a status one can obtain
when they don't permanently reside in the US.It is amazing to me how
people who are all about "enforcing" the law to keep out immigrants don't even
know or understand what the immigration laws are. You have NO idea how few visas
to the US are currently allowed and how difficult it is to immigrate legally.
Nor do you have any idea of how antiquated our law is and how current laws do
not address the realities of the 21st century labor force. Also, it
illegal presence in the US is a civil infraction, not a crime. There is no such
thing as a "criminal" civil law. But also it is not surprising that many of you
folks who talk about enforcing the law don't actually understand the legal
For those of you asking for more certainty with statistics, numbers can only
quantify what is quantifiable. The professors point out some of the
shortcomings of the numbers. They are measuring prison populations where the
numbers of undocumented persons will be overrepresented in comparison to the
total number of people who have committed crimes (undocumented workers are more
likely to be remanded into custody and not paroled for the reasons cited by the
authors). Also, there is no such thing as a precise measurement of
undocumented workers. Any number offered is merely speculative. You cannot
compare the prison population numbers to the speculative numbers regarding the
percentage of undocumented workers in the population at large.
Pay attention to what is not told you in the news when you here about crime in
Utah. Many illegals are committing these crimes and skipping town before they
can be held accountable. Citizens who are victims of crime by illegals
are the ones that pay the price by both the crime and justice not being
served.The media is white washing these issues and are keeping this
information from you in their biased attempt to sway opinion.Look at the
Deseret News stories and show me where you have seen even one article that is
written in a way that reflects negatively on illegals. It is disgusting how
real journalism is completely ignored in favor of agendas.
If illegal aliens were effectively discouraged from being here in the first
place, they would then account for zero percent of violent crime--or any crime
for that matter. And yes, we have the technology and manpower to button down the
border. We simply lack the will.
Not buying it. Just look around you and follow the crimes. We're not blind SI!!!
Illegal latin immigrants are involved in much of the crime we see.
Good article, DN. Ajax, raybies, you are absolutely right on.But other
posters, you are too full of hate against our neighbors to be included in my
view of what America is about. I'm appalled there are so many posting above,
who are so intolerant, so blind, and so immovable on this issue. These
immigrants are mostly just poor people, and neighbors, seeking to better their
lives. We need to allow them a practical and prompt path to legal immigration,
i.e. we need to replace the existing bad law before we trumpet "rule of law"
again. We need to open our opportunities to our good neighbors, and try to rise
together. I implore those "neighbors" above posting their unbridled hate and
intolerance, to change your hearts to include value for "inalienable human
rights". We Americans, and Utahns, are wealthy in comparison with many of our
neighbors from Mexico. We value education, let's make it available to our
neighbors. We value our land of opportunity, let's be unselfish. I think we
cannot afford this selfishness expressed in above posts, we can only afford to
be helpful and generous.Good article, DN
Elder Russell M. Ballard prophesied in 2005 (a meeting that kicked off the LDS
Church Hispanic Initiative in the tabernacle) that within 20 years Salt Lake
City would have Hispanic stakes with Anglo wards attached to them. All stake
presidencies and bishoprics in the Salt Lake Valley were present in this meeting
and they will attest to it.There must be a solution coming that will
make it easier for Latinos to come and stay in Utah legally.
Well said BJackson. So if illegals commit 5 times as many crimes as a legal
citizen, and their kids commit even more crimes, just what percentage of the
correctional system could we free up by keeping illegals out and not allowing
them to drop anchor babies here?