As a BYU and Jazz fan, I'd happily see BYU forfeit the herein mentioned game
between BYU and SDSU if they can talk the Bulls into forfeiting Game 6 of the
1998 NBA Finals because Michael Jordan pushed off.
SDSU is such a tacky institution. No wonder the PAC10 won't touch them. I'm so
glad they won't be on the schedule anymore. Yes it was an exceptionally bad
call, but most games have a couple of bad calls that may or may not affect the
final outcome. But to start making insinuations about another school and
individuals without knowing all the facts is far worse than a blown call.
It was a bad call on the field, and maybe the worst replay ruling I have seen.
It's hard for me to believe that the replay official was fed the clip that shows
the obvious fumble.Once again (we've seen it several times over the
last few months), the BYU athletic department's handling of controversy doesn't
sit well with many who are interested in MWC sports. Saying nothing is
sometimes the right response, but sometimes it just fuels the fire.That being said, as best as I can tell, BYU had nothing to do with the replay
fiasco. For disappointed SDSU fans to demand a forfeit based on a bad call that
occured when there was more than a quarter to play is silly. Unfortunately, bad calls are a part of the game. I feel for SDSU, but they
had numerous opportunities to win the game and didn't do it.
This is just human nature going into affect. When you have a special football
program others will find any reason to tear you down. We as Cougar
Nation will support and have faith in Bronco and the mighty Cougars. While I am
realist and we do not have the wins we are accustomed to, I will always look at
the many positives everyone seems to ignore. The offensive linemen are big and
nasty; the defensive line has put a complete stop to teams with dynamic running
games (wyoming, tcu, san diego state). I welcome smash mouth football to Cougar
Town. In the skill positions, while young and inexperienced, they have the
speed and athleticism provided by top recruiting. Heaps will continue to
improve and the full might of the mantle of "BYU Great" will be placed upon him.
We have been down but we are continually marching onward and the
summit of the mountain is in sight. This will go down as one of the most
memorable years as our Cougs battle it out one last time in the Las Vegas Bowl.
Go Bronco and Go Cougars!!!"Dogs bark, but the caravan
SDSU lost because they couldn't stop one of the worst offenses in the nation
from controlling the time of possession: 45 to 15 mins. Unless they have
evidence that BYU was involved, the game was won fairly by BYU. End of
discussion, move on.
There are those that justify the means. “Bad calls are part of the
game” yes they are but not in the replay situation such as this.
“But you can see a face mask in the replay” yes you can , right
about the time his knee was a foot off the ground when he fumbled the ball but
that is not a violation you can replay. The replay was brought into the game to
help questionable plays, not to bring to light questionable replays.With
the MTWC rules on discretion. The fact’s are; we will never know exactly
what took place in the booth. If Chad Bunn did nothing wrong then the MTWC
threw him under the bus. On the other hand, if he intentionally withheld
tape. Miracle of Forgiveness is a good book that EVERYONE involved should
read.SDSU needs to get over it / BYU needs to move onto their
What a bunch of poor losers. The MWC and SDSU are in the wrong for 1) not
protecting it's officials' privacy and 2) leaking the names of the officials to
the public in a smear campaign. Good riddance, MWC.
Conspiracy theorists of SoCal unite! BYU has been placing moles in the replay
booth for years, just waiting for the prime opportunity to spring their
dastardly trap! And now, our cunning has felled the mighty Aztecs of San Diego
State! BWAHAHAHAHA!! Bronco would twirl his mustache at you, if BYU allowed
mustaches.Really? If we're going to cheat, we're going to cheat to
beat a mediocre SDSU team in an already lost season? Yep; that makes perfect
sense. Face it, desperate SDSU boosters . . you can't even beat the worst BYU
team in decades in one of your better seasons. I understand why that would get
you worked up.As for the "Yners" comment, I'm confused. When another
school whines about something the Y supposedly did, the Y is guilty of whining?
What am I missing?
The accusation and subsequent letters by SDSU is unthinkable. Again, if SDSU
wants to go to that call, BYU will go to the facemask on the same play. Or BYU
can say what about the SDSU fumble that was incorrectly ruled down by contact, a
rule not in the NCAA rule-book.Goodbye SDSU and good riddance
MWC....both of whom accuse BYU of that which they themselves are so unwilling to
As I understand it, BYU will forfeit a game if it is played on sunday but will
hide behind the MTWC in this case. USC forfeited the games Bush played in and
he gave back the Heisman he won. Intersting view on integrity.
It is laughable SDSU is still pursuing this. I love how they conveniently gloss
over the fact that two SDSU defenders had were pulling down DiLuigi by his
facemask on the play too. Of course it was a fumble, of course it
was a blown call. But to infer there were some sort of scandal or controversy
by a MWC employee who has nothing to do with actually showing the feed to the
officials is laughable.The MWC is so incredibly bitter about BYU
leaving, they're throwing truth out the window and sit contently watching the
speculation grow.I'm glad to see Bunns file a letter with his
attorney for the MWC to set the record straight. It's gotten to the point now
where the MWC has some explaining to do.
As a byu graduate, I can honestly say this article is completely wrong.
We should blame this on the MTN. I'm always screaming at the TV watching Ute
games because they don't show replays of the best plays!! I wish BYU luck in the
rest of their remaining games except the last where of course no replay will be
needed to see that the Utes won. Hehe just poking some fun, I keed I keed. But
This is just another example in of string of burnt bridges. Look up and down the
list of MWC programs, find any that don’t despise the tds? BYU is simply
running away from their dysfunctional problems by going independent…. And
it might just be the elixir.Hit and run barnstorming at locations
unaware of the callus misdeeds of the tds might work — present your shiny,
happy people mask and then get out of dodge before anyone looks under the hood.
BYU did nothing wrong. To say that that is the play that lost SDSU the game is
insane. NOTHING says that even if the Aztecs got the ball on the fumble that
they would have scored or that BYU would not have scored again. You cannot pull
one play after a game is over and say what the outcome would have/should have
been. If everyone could ask for a forfeit because of a blown call or a "biased"
ref or official then we would have the battle after the game as part of who wins
or losses. Look at how many times SDSU has said they have lost a game because
of a bad call this year.
SDSU officials have moved past this issue.The boosters sent the
letter--lots of difference between being a 6-1 and 5-2 team to boosters.On the other hand, lots of difference between 2-6 and 3-5 as well.Now, it's too late for BYU to make that statement which by the way did
not add anything that we all have known/heard/read.Move on, indeed,
people.Fans from both teams should just relax, sit back and watch MWC ood
college football game this weekend between AFA and Utah.
Seeking clarity Otis..."As a byu graduate, I can honestly say this article
is completely wrong. ==="SDSU boosters Leon Parma, Bob Payne
and Jack Goodall sent the letter to Samuelson via express mail on Monday. In it,
they also ask him to "declare the game forfeited" to SDSU if he finds evidence
of gross negligence or foul play committed by the BYU alumni who were working
for the Mountain West Conference video replay booth that day."There
are too many open questions for you not to act on this matter," said the letter,
a copy of which was obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune."===Completely wrong?Are these two statements inaccurate?Which part is wrong?
San Diego St beat Utah St in a total smack down. Utah State beat BYU in a total
smack down. San Diego St can't justify how they got beat by one of the worst
BYU teams in 40 years. Blame it on a bad call, rather than the team not being
prepared and not showing up. How do you get dominated by time of possession that
bad? Even if the call was ruled a fumble to suggest that San Diego would have
gone on to win a game they where already losing at the time is comical. To miss
two face masks on the same play and cry about the officials missing the fumble
is laughable, to send a letter to BYU demanding a forfeit is priceless.
Can't believe SDSU is calling us Yners. Who's whining about this? SDSU not
BYU. Get over it. Every game has blown calls. There were several penalties
against SDSU in the game that were missed. There was no foul play. There was
human error, which there is in every game. Face it Aztecs, you'll
never beat BYU - not even it a down year. Don't go looking for us to forfeit so
you can get a win. Try earning it on the field.
flatlander... a couple of things. Thoe only reason USC forfeited those games was
to appease the NCAA. It's common for institutions to provide disciplinary action
so that the NCAA doesn't come down harder on them. Simply put, they didn't want
a SMU-like death sentence. It had nothing to do about intergrity. My
second point is there's absolutely NO precedence for what the SDSU alumni are
asking for. How about the poor officiating and replay in the 2006 Oregon v.
Oklahoma game? Never has a school forfeited a game in such a manner. Moreover
the consequences of the fumble wouldn't have guaranteed a SDSU victory. Anybody can see that, even a Ute fan like myself.
Funny to watch BYU and their fans twist to defend the the role of their
employee and alum in the botched fumble call.Had SDSU won the game
aided by a botched call of their own employee and alum there would not only be a
letter from BYU supporters asking for a forfeit, there would also be lawsuits
against the officials, the MWC, SDSU, and the NCAA.
After reviewing the call on the field the Mountain west officials got so
embarrassed that they missed the two face mask penalties on the same play that
they tanked the fumble call, that simple. The only way the could rectify the
two missed face mask penalties was to let the ruling of the field stand.
Logic says that if Bunn had intentionally withheld the video or in some way
rigged the system to keep the correct call from being made, he wouldn't have
been suspended for one game, he would have been banned from ever officiating
again.The MWC suspended all three replay officials, so either they
were all somewhat responsible for the botched call or the MWC threw one or two
innocent officials under the bus because the MWC didn't do a thorough enough
investigation to determine who was responsible.At any rate, one
botched call didn't cost SDSU the game. If the Aztecs had gotten the ball at the
25, it's likely they would have picked up one or two first downs and then
punted. SDSU only scored once the entire game on a drive that started inside
their own 25.BYU had been moving the ball steadily all game, so
BYU's game-clinching drive would likely have been delayed, but not stopped,
leaving the Aztecs with even less time to mount a comeback drive.There's no proof BYU did anything wrong or that SDSU would have won the game
even if they'd gotten the fumble.
Right or wrong, we should avoid the appearance of evil. We should
not put ourselves in the position of being criticised. Avoid conflict of
interest.Avoid state politics, by any name, outside our own state.We need to stop putting the blame on others and having it appear that we
we think we know it all and that anyone that disagrees with us is wrong.This is how many people outside the Church perceive us to be. Some call
us cry babies. Let us make an effort to change that image.Example:
"If anything, when the MWC hired a person to work a game which some feel was a
conflict of interest, we apologize for any blame that might be ours for
accepting the job." "We will try to be more careful to avoid
accepting any jobs that might possibly be seen by ohters as a conflict of
interest". Next drop it and don't mention it anymore except for
reference to the statement above.Do we protest to much???
I find it remarkable that these boosters made any money at all in their
professional lives. Blame, blame, blame. If there was evidence of a BYU
coverup, MWC would have found it when they investigated. They certainly were
motivated to find something, as that could have cleared them in this matter.
NOTHING FOUND because it was a mistake in the booth. Again, for those who saw
the entire game, please refer to the previous reviews which went against BYU,
and which seemed just as unexplained. Part of being involved in sports requires
that you deal with mistakes and perceived bias and move on. Seriously, it's
time to move on!
The game is over. SDSU grow up. You are suppose to be men. Act your age. Let
by gones be by gones. Go BYU!
I disagree with anyone who says the replay proves beyond any doubt the fumble
was before the knee hit the ground...the replay decision was consistent with the
one before that, where it appeared SDSU fumbled the ball and it was recovered
inbounds by BYU, but the replay was not irrefutable proof, so the original call
had to "stand." That made two calls that were possibly wrong, one in favor of
each team, so whats the problem? No one knows, if the replay official had
called those different, no one knows for sure what would have occured next, it
is impossible to say, so lets move on.
Howard S.Funny to watch a BYU hater twist the truth to justify his
own hatred.Tell me Howard,What proof do you have that
the BYU employee did anything wrong? If he did do something wrong,
what was it? What proof do you have that BYU would have filed
lawsuits in a similar situation?Actually, we have a similar
situation from a BYU-TCU game a few years ago in which TCU fumbled the ball at
the goal line, but was still given the TD that allowed the Frogs to go on to win
the game 51-50 in OT.It's easy to make accusations, isn't it,
especially when you aren't required to provide any proof.
What Poor Sport-Cry Babies! Why don't those cry baby boosters comment on the
facemask prior to the fumble? HUH? Why don't they admit they were outplayed?
Look at the stats! I hope the utes crush them!
SDSU really needs to get over this. What lost the game was their inability to
control a very poor offense with bad play calling, an inept, less than average
quarterback, receivers who drop the ball more often than not, a coach who lives
in a fantasy land, and a defense who celebrates like they won the super bowl
every time they make a tackle.You had your chance SDSU, and you blew
it. Boo who who.
It's just a game. I understand there are possible bowl game implications, and
that is of course tied to money, but still, it's just a game. Given the fact the
BYU's season is already a bust, I think they should take the high road and give
SDSU what they want, if it makes them happy. It would be a nice gesture, and
would possibly go towards improving BYU's image in the long run. Yes, I think
it's rude and over the top for SDSU to be questioning the integrity of both the
officials and BYU over a call in a football game, but if it will end the
controversy and improve relations between the schools, why not give it to them?
To anyone who watched the game and knows anything at all about football, yes, it
was a fumble. The running back's knees were on a defender's back on the way
down to the turf when he fumbled. I was as surprised as anyone when, after the
replay, BYU was given the ball back. It does beg the question: How could any
intelligent replay official have missed that call? That's the very reason why
the pros and colleges have gone to using TV replays. In this case, it does make
you wonder if the head official watched all of the angles of the fumble.That being said, it is also true that nothing can be done now about it.
For a different perspective on this, SDSU has been so bad over the past several
decades. Now, with the hiring of defensive coordinator Long, they actually are
playing good football. So the SDSU supporters down here are especially bitter
at having to accept this. If I were a BYU supporter, I'd look at it in those
terms. Don't get defensive about it. There's nothing that can be done now
about it anyway.
SDSU alum- you lost because your defense couldn't keep the worst BYU offense in
a decade off the field, not a blown call.Time to move on people.
Re: Truth Machine | 9:44 a.m. Oct. 29, 2010Salt Lake City, UT "What proof do you have that BYU would have filed lawsuits in a similar
situation?"************************Answer - I have none.
Neither to you. There has been no public explanation of what happened. But that
wasn't stopped BYU and their fans from absolving Bunn and the BYU alum from any
fault or wrong doing.Something went wrong to botch the call. If
Bunn and the BYU alum are not at fault, then there should be an explanation.Instead, BYU and fans struggle to exonerate Bunn and the alum without
explaining the facts.That is funny.As to the BYU-TCU
game, was there a TCU employee and alum involved in a botched replay booth call
when the entire stadium saw the correct video feed?Again, funny
twisting to justify the replay booth advantage that aided the BYU victory over
SDSU Boosters want BYU to forfeit their game over a blown call... How typical of
the elite class in the great state of California... The only place that you will
see in Sports and Politics folks trying to win on paper and in courtrooms that
which they cannot win in reality... It brings a smile to my face...Oh and Hedgehog, we will never cloak our feeling of pride for all of our
accomplishments that we have been abe to achieve over the years... When you are
a perenial winner the fans of the teams that you compete against will always
cheer against you.... In Uteville however, some of the fans of their local
college (i.e. folks like you) are not respected because of their dispicable
behavior. Something that was accurately described last year by the Rookie
Starting QB of the Arizona Cardinals. Their are some good fans there, you just
don't happen to be one of them.
"SDSU officially told San Diego media the replay official working the booth said
he would have ruled differently had he seen all the video of the play."Supposedly, this "statement" was made in response to a reporter's question
right after the game, which raises several interesting questions:If
the official says he would have reversed the call IF he had seen the video, how
does he know he would have reversed the call, if he hadn't seen the replay?Doesn't the MWC prohibit officials from discussing calls with the
media?If the head replay official botched the call because he wasn't
shown the video, why was he suspended for making the correct call based on the
video he was shown?Why was the name of the other replay official
never revealed and what was his role in the botched call that got him
suspended?The MWC has fueled the controversy by not making any
official announcements of who was suspended and why.
To Ute fans who want to jump on this pathetically rickety wagon and insinuate
BYU is covering up dishonesty in the replay booth, you obviously don't want to
hear the facts or believe them.BYU as an institution had nothing to
do with the hiring of the replay booth officials and crew nor the administration
of such. It was done entirely by the MWC. The MWC has fully investigated and
has said there was no malice in what turned out to be a blown call and blown
replay review. For SDSU boosters or anyone to continue to whine,
speculate, and slander BYU after the MWC made its decision is a poignant example
of how sad college sports and the fans of sports in general have become and the
win at all costs mentality so many possess these days.This is
Officials make mistakes all the time. We know that. Even if it is shown that
the replay official who works for BYU did not get the right image to the head
official you would still have to prove what was in his mind at the time and that
he did it solely so BYU could win the game and not just because he is stupid and
incompetent. That is an impossible threshold to overcome unless someone like
Spock can read his mind. I personally don't believe that Bunn intetionally
tried to influence the call in BYU's favor. Let's move on.
Howard S. | 10:22 a.m. Oct. 29, 2010 Taylorsville, UT "There
has been no public explanation of what happened. But that wasn't stopped BYU and
their fans from absolving Bunn and the BYU alum from any fault or wrong
doing."So in your mind, guilty until proven innocent? You have a
weird sense of justice my friend.Even though a BYU alum/employee was
part of the replay officiating crew, the MWC was in charge of the officiating.
If something was called incorrectly, the MWC is entirely responsible for
investigating and correcting the problem.This could all be cleared
up if the MWC would simply announce why they suspended the officials.If Bunn cheated by intentionally not showing the correct video, why was he
only suspended for one game instead of being banned for life?
Howard S. you imply that Bunn was dishonest and intentionally misled the replay
officials, that BYU knows this and is subsequently covering it up. You ignore the MWC statements and the fact that BYU had no connection to the
hiring of the replay crew or what happened in the booth that day. So to ask
them to comment on something they had no hand in from the beginning is
ridiculous. BYU officials were pretty much in the same boat as the rest of us.
They were dependent on the MWC findings.As for Bunn, his history in
with replay crews for years all over the conference has been spotless and
everyone who has worked with him refutes the idea that he would do anything like
what has been insinuated. I would dare say Bunn was in the booth during the
replay for that BYU-TCU game. It would be worth investigating. If he was in
the booth that day and had tendencies toward dishonesty and being pro-BYU
wouldn't he have rigged that one too, preventing the overtime loss?Character is easily judged by watching actions over time. Like your actions
on these boards. Howard S. = Mormon/BYU Hater
The thing that tds fans are missing is that the official said "HE DIDN'T SEE THE
VIEW THAT WAS ON TV" What is the point of having replay officials if they don't
see the correct views? This isn't a byu issue (but funny that they need it to
win along with miss calls on PIs back to back), it is a MWC and NCAA problem.
Now the fact that it was two guys from byu that were in charge of
getting him the views is very suspect, but I don't see how the NCAA can just
drop it when an official admits he didn't see all the video.
Hedge hog,The reason BYU is despised by most of their conference teams
from the past few decades is because they beat the socks off of them year in and
year out. This includes TUN. There are many bad calls by officials every week
that may or may not influence the outcome of games. Do you think the Utes (or
any other school)coach or AD would forfeit a game because of a bad call that
helped them win? Your strong dis-like and obsession for all things BYU and your
mega-inferiority complex truly shines in your posts.
First off, to say that one play doesn't change the game is wrong. One single
play can entirely change the course of a game.Second, you can't say
what SDSU would have or wouldn't have done. That's why they play the game. To
say SDSU would not have gone and scored a TD on that drive would be like
crowning the national champion based on preseason polls.Third, you
can't excuse the missed review as human error that occurs in every game. Yes,
refs miss alot of live-action calls, but that is why they have review. To miss a
live call during a game is completely different from making a bad call after a
review.Fourth, penalties are not reviewable. So even if there is an
obvious penalty on tape, it cannot be called following a review. The fumble, on
the other hand, is reviewable and should have been changed following the
review.Lastly, BYU can't be held responsible for this. I find it
highly unlikely that there was some great conspiracy at BYU to rig the SDSU
game. SDSU lost the game because they couldn't stop a bad offense.
seriously SDSU...now you want to blame your loss on a kid in the replay booth
instead of your inability to find a better coach,better players, higher
standards...I'm a U fan, but find this kind of gamesmanship childish...It's like
hearing drunk guys in a bar argue...BYU eeked out a win. Your team played worse
than a JC....and somehow it's somebody else's fault? Poor play all around...But
I'd give the win to BYU for being slightly less-horrible than SDSU.
Imagine the can of worms you'd be opening by setting a precedent of going back
over films to determine if a game should be forfeited because of one bad call.
Schools would never let a loss go. Every big game would be like Bush v. Gore in
Florida in 2000.
Gosh, I sure hope BYU doesn't have to forfeit this game and ruin it's national
championship season! Somebody please explain the upside for BYU cheating for one
play in a losing season.
Maybe the officials in the booth saw that there were indeed two facemask
penalties on the play and that's why they made the call they did.
When replay is for us, fans love it, when it goes against our team, we hate
it.The problem with replay is what is reversible and what is not
reversible. The main point of this article is that SDSU Boosters
want BYU to forfeit the game. My friends, this is about as bush-league as it
gets. All the side-accusations regarding BYU and/or defending BYU
and attacking the integrity of "Mormons" in general reveals more about us as a
society than anything else.We have now come to the point where
Sports is our Graven Image and sits in judgement of all.
The people I feel bad for in this situation are the SDSU football players. Its
that feeling when your mom goes balistic to your coach at a little league game
that you should be the starting pitcher. Meanwhile, you are doing your best
damage control, rolling your eyes at your teammates with the "See what I have to
endure at home" and "pay no attention to the crazy lady" look on your face. I'm sure the guys playing football want their fanatical crazy boosters
to shut up, just like the rest of the sports world.
Funny that two of the cougs wins came down to a couple blown calls.
Interesting.Mr 1984byu has no chance of playing in Las
Vegas. Sorry, it will be New Mexico if anywhere at all.
"The thing that [BYU] fans are missing is that the official said "HE DIDN'T SEE
THE VIEW THAT WAS ON TV""You know that for a fact?NO!You've actually seen or heard a recording of the video replay official
saying that?NO!Or, is it simply something a disgruntled
San Diego reporter made up to support his speculation?POSSIBLY.Why did the MWC suspend the lead replay official if he made the correct
call based on the video he was shown?SHRUGS!The haters
keep ignoring the known facts in order to support their own biased
speculation.The only thing we know for sure is that there were three
video replay officials in the booth, that one of them was a BYU employee, and
that the call was botched. The MWC hasn't even officially announced that the
officials were suspended.
and it's because BYU has older players....... why aren't we hearing this one
"Funny that two of the cougs wins came down to a couple blown calls.
Interesting."Can't the same thing be said of Utah in 2008.Michigan?Oregon State?People who live in glass
houses!Utah has been the beneficiary of many blown calls in the
past, some in games much more critical than this one.When Utah
decides to do the right thing and give back the game Utah stole from Oregon
State, BYU will consider apologizing to SDSU for winning a game the Cougars
would have won even without the blown fumble call.
@Mt Rushmore..."The thing that [BYU] fans are missing is that the official
said "HE DIDN'T SEE THE VIEW THAT WAS ON TV""You know that for a
fact?...Ans:-->Burn was disciplined by MWC@Max...the guys playing football want their fanatical crazy boosters to shut
up...May be. Or may be they want justice for their hard-fought win
that was recorded as loss in their season. Without that "losss", SDSU would be
in the top-15 now.Forfeit the game!
No wonder why BYU would stand behind their student in the replay booth. They aren't denying it. That must mean something then. I
think the SDSU fans are going to the wrong place--they need to take this to the
MWC, or maybe to the NCAA national offices. This isn't the only
call that has been blown against them this year. In the meantime,
BYU's lack of action and obstinant attitude towards this is shameful. It shows
a lack of integrity and violates the very code of ethics the university claims
to adhere to. If BYU is going to expect students and faculty at
their institution to abide by this code, they need to do it at all times, not
make exceptions to the rules when it's athletically expedient.
@ hedgehog:Dude you have serious issues.What did BYU
ever do to you personally? Reject your application? Beat up the Utes 4 straight
years while you attending the Utah? Never offered you or your kid a scholarship?
Lost a major bet?You are just one bitter Ute Fan who has a serious
problem when the words B Y U is mentioned. Maybe it's time to take
advantage of the U medical programs and get some stress relief before BYU drives
Well, I just don't get it. The missed (no)call was a facemask on the RB. It's
so obviously there and nobody see's it. The fumble is irrelavent. I just don't
get!The Wyoming game? WOW! Nobody noticed an accidental block by the
ref giving the cowboys a completed pass which eventually led to a score. It's
not a penalty, but no Wyoming fan is upset with the completed pass and no call
PI. It just happens.
"Ans:-->Burn was disciplined by MWC"All three replay officials were
disciplined by the MWC.The million dollar question is: WHY?Answer that question with actual facts, rather than
speculation, and we'll know whether anything sinister happened in that replay
booth or whether it was simply a series of errors that led to a botched call.
So I guess it boils down to this: Either we follow procedures and
deal with the imperfections ORWe say to heck with procedures and
make the RIGHT call. Either way, SDSU doesn't have a leg to stand
on. Because if the policies and procedures don't matter, and all that matters
is making the RIGHT call, then there would be a 15 yard facemask penalty against
the defense and BYU still retains possession. When they say, "You can't use
replay to call penalties!" I respond, "Oh, really? What happened to throwing out
the policies and just making the right call?"
and BYU will beat Utah too
I don't place too much blame on SDSU because, well, they're SDSU. I've never
understood why what should be such a desirable place to go to college would
consistently have underachieving teams.The real blame lies at the
feet of Thompson and the MWC. That game was a MWC event (not a BYU event), the
conference supplied the officials, TV feed, and replay officials. The only thing
BYU was expected to do in this situation was provide the facility and one of the
teams. Whether the MWC wanted to contract BYU people to man their replay booth
was entirely up to them. For them to throw BYU under the bus was reprehensible
(but very predictable). Expect more parting shots from Thompson this year.
@Solomon Levi..."Ans:-->Burn was disciplined by MWC"All three replay
officials were disciplined by the MWC.The million dollar question is: WHY?...different reasons:-video technician: for not
providing all possible/available angles-review official(s): for not asking
for all possible/available anglesThere must be a reason provided by
MWC to Chad Bunn by MWC on why he was suspended. BYU should have (from
beginning) provided that info. But perhaps, the truth would not help BYU, and
therefore the silence treatment.Oh, people, the face mask call is
not reviewable. And even if face mask is reviewable, the review was asked by
SDSU to determine if it's a fumble or not.
You go hedgehoggy!!!
Solomon EXACTLY! THANK YOU!So from now on can we just
drop the whole, "Oh, well Utah barely beat OSU and TCU in 08 because of blown
calls and missed field goals"?I could care less about the byu vs
sdsu game (it means nothing) but it sure sounds familiar to Yning we heard after
the 08 undefeated year and Sugar Bowl win.It's a two way street.
if San Diego State had to rely on the outcome of one call to decide the game,
they deserve to lose. They couldn't stop a mediocre, at best, offense and
couldn't move the ball against a mediocre defense. I'm clearly not a TDS fan
but, this is simply ridiculous.
I HATE byu and I'm still gald when I drive by Cougar Stadium and see they named
it after an Aggie, But please.....SDSU needs to grow up and so does
the guy who made some lame excuse that he would have changed the call had he
seen all angles (if he really did.) As bad as it hurts me....byu is NOT in the
Truth Machine| 9:44 a.m. Oct. 29, 2010 "What proof do you have that
the BYU employee did anything wrong?scenic view | 10:57 a.m. Oct.
29, 2010Even though a BYU alum/employee was part of the replay
officiating crew, the MWC was in charge of the officiating..."Here's
what the BYU employee did wrong, Truth Machine/Scenic View...Did
Bunn and/or BYU ever disclose to the MWC that Bunn is an employee of BYU? Both
Bunn and BYU should have enough common sense to recognize that a conflict of
interest existed with an employee in a position to influence officiating.Pepsi isn't going to KNOWINGLY put a guy in quality inspection who also
works manufacturing Coke products. Get it? Other
schools have such controls governing their practices. Why didn't BYU? Who is
going to monitor BYU's lack of common sense when they go independent and there
is no league to oversee their conduct? Who will issue reprimands to Halls and
Jorgensens? Discipline requires integrity.BYU is smart, Admit
nothing...wait for the problem to go away. An apology implies that
a mistake was made and admitting mistakes requires humility.
Okay, I have an idea of how to resolve this mess.... BYU will forfeit the game
to SDSU as long as Bunn can be appointed to be the Head Replay Official in the
BYU-Utah game.... Deal?
Archie"Did Bunn and/or BYU ever disclose to the MWC that Bunn is an
employee of BYU?"You're kidding right? Have you even followed this
story?Bunn was hired as the video coordinator for the athletic
department at BYU in 1989. Bunn served as the video coordinator for the Western
Athletic Conference Tournament from 1993-99 and now serves in the same position
for the MWC. Chad has been working in video review booths around the MWC for the
past 7 years.To suggest that the MWC didn't know that Bunn worked
for BYU is ludicrous."Other schools have such controls governing
their practices. Why didn't BYU?"Again, you don't know what you're
talking about. At least 5 or 6 MWC schools, including the University of Utah,
have used alumni in their video review booths this year.Why should
BYU throw a decent, honorable, 20-year employee under the bus with absolutely no
proof that he intentionally did something wrong just to please a bunch of
whiney, sore losers?The MWC investigated the incident and suspended
all three officials suggesting that Chad was no more or less responsible than
any of the other officials.
Archie - Are you kidding me????? The MWC was very aware of Munn's connection to
BYU. He has worked in the booth for years."Other schools have such
controls governing their practices." Uh, no, many schools have someone with a
connection in their booth. Why do you think the MWC is making a change to this
practice? Besides, this has nothing to do with BYU's practices. The fault, if
there is any, is the MWC's not BYU's.Get It???
This is the first time I have heard any type of "response" from the official who
actually made the call. I was wondering why there hadnt been any actual quotes
from the officials. I am sure the MWC has a rule against that but in this case
they owe people an explanation. Mr Bunn is not going to be allowed to work for
the MWC anymore anyway so he should be willing to provide his side of the
story. The real cry for a resolution to this should go to the MWC.
It is their officials who made the call and had nothing to do with BYU.
Hey SDSU fans:Is Wyoming demanding a forfeit? No, they just admit
that they were outplayed and got beat? There are such things as close games
where the other team was clearly outplayed, and this was one of them.Please just keep your blown up SoCal pride where it belongs, in your own
state. I wouldn't shed a tear if we never played the Spaztecs ever again.
TO Rexburg Reader: "Somebody please explain the upside for BYU cheating for one
play in a losing season."I'll be happy to explain it to you. The
answer is they didn't cheat. Use of gratuitous insults are very unbecoming
especially for someone from Idaho.
skywalker | 5:11 p.m. Oct. 29, 2010 "To suggest that the MWC didn't
know that Bunn worked for BYU is ludicrous."Really? So, the mere
fact that he has done it before means that the MWC "should" have known? And
after all these years it never once occurred to him that maybe...just maybe, he
shouldn't in the replay booth for the school from which he earns a pay check?
Did he ever bother to ask anyone? What would Holmoe have told him? Did Holmoe
know his employee was in the booth? Did it never occur to him to ask MWC for a
"read" on the situation?"At least 5 or 6 MWC schools, including the
University of Utah, have used alumni in their video review booths this year."Are these alumni earning a PAY CHECK from the school at the same time
they are working for the MWC? As I said in my earlier post..."Who is going to monitor BYU's lack of common sense when they go
independent and there is no league to oversee their conduct?"
Rexburg Reader,Somebody please explain the upside for BYU cheating
for one play in a losing season. With the win, BYU will possibly
qualify for a bowl game. Without it, they more than likely wont.With
the win for SDSU, they will still not finish higher than 3rd in the conference
with future losses to Utah and TCU. So really, the win doesn't really help SDSU.
Now they will be tied for 3rd instead of having it solo.With that
being said... I think that the SDSU boosters are a bunch of cry-babies and
should just forget about the issue. The past can't be changed. The outcome of
the game can't be altered now. What more can be said?Oh yeah, Go
What a bunch of Ute whiners...Man, you embarass the team.Poyman, are you suggesting that your team will lose?Bottom
line...Now, everyone get this...Bunn was an employee of
the MWC.And, he is a man with a reputation beyond reproach.But the Utah fans with their no loss record still need to whine.Why?Is there a game coming up that you will lose?What
do you know that I don't?
It's a GAME!Ease up people! It's supposed to be about fun, fitness,
teamwork, building character, etc.It loses every positive thing when
it becomes all about money, and lawyers, and investigations and allegations of
fraud and deceit and cover-ups.We get enough of that in politics.
Leave football alone!
Archie"So, the mere fact that he has done it before means that the
MWC "should" have known?"Do you even bother reading?There's no question about whether the MWC "should" have known, they absolutely
knew.Bunn is a founding member of the Collegiate Sports Video
Association (CSVA) and has served two terms as its president. Bunn currently
serves as the Mountain West Conference representative to the CSVA. In 2002 Bunn
was named the Bob Matey Video Coordinator of the Year, the CSVA’s highest
honor. In 2003 Bunn received this same award for the MWC.Bunn is
VERY WELL known in the collegiate world of video production. The MWC absolutely
knew that he also worked for BYU.And please don't insult our
intelligence by claiming that someone who works for a university is somehow more
inherently biased than someone who is simply an alumn of the university.All of the video replay officials essentially work part-time for the MWC
on game days. They all have day jobs doing something else. Bunn just happens to
work for BYU. Others may be accountants, teachers, or any other occupation. That
doesn't make them any more or less biased.
You've got to do better, Cougar fans.In the argument of whether BYU
is responsible for the botched review of an obvious fumble, you guys are clearly
in the right. But you still make it hard for others to back you because of your
attitudes. You say:-SDSU is a "tacky" institution.-The
MWC is just trying to stick it to BYU for leaving the conference.-It
wasn't really a fumble. And besides, the Aztecs grabbed the facemask of the
ballcarrier.-I can't wait to leave this loser conference, and I hope
we never play (fill in the blank) again.-They don't like us because
we are Mormons.-They're just mad because they have a horrible
football team.-They're just jealous that we beat them all the
time.You complain that no one else in the conference likes you, but
you can't understand why.Are these the fruits you are planning on
showing the nation/world as you get more "exposure" as an independent?
Sportzfan-- thank you! You made my day.And hedgehog, as always, you
are not smart and it boggles my mind that you care so much about putting a
school down for no reason. Dont you read all the comments afterward where
everyone questions your sanity and tells you how wrong you are? And did you
notice that ute fans almost never back you up, on anything? Really, dude, give
it a rest. Its getting ridiculous.
Once again BYU gets away with another one.
"Never has a school forfeited a game in such a manner."In 1940
undefeated, defending national champion Cornell played Dartmouth riding a
17-game win streak. Cornell was favored to win by two touchdowns and eventually
to repeat as national champions. Yet, late in the game Dartmouth led 3-0.
Cornell drove to within inches of the goal line and, with seconds left in the
game, threw a pass that was broken up by a Dartmouth defender. Dartmouth began
to celebrate but were stopped short when referees, apparently unaware that it
had been fourth down, lined Cornell up for a final play. They scored a
touchdown and seemingly won their eighteenth consecutive game.The
next day, after viewing film, Cornell players and coaches sent the following
telegram to Dartmouth:"We relinquish our claim to the victory and
extend our congratulations to Dartmouth."The Dartmouth athletic
director wired a reply:"Thank you for your wire. Dartmouth accepts
the victory and your congratulations and salutes the Cornell team, the honored
and honorable opponent of her longest unbroken football rivalry."A
different era. I'm not suggesting BYU should forfeit their victory but I do
suggest "never say never."
Re: DennisSDSU got OWNED. The gave up 270 yards on the ground and 3
to 1 T.O.P. Stop crying and tuck your tail back between your legs.
I don't think all the review officials could have made such a big blunder
concerning the fumble call. That leaves two options: 1) They noticed the
facemask and took that into consideration (realizing that a personal foul trumps
a fumble anyday), or 2) They had dishonorable intentions (which has been proven
to be false).That leaves the only option to be that they saw the
facemask and adjusted the outcome accordingly.BYU was NOT involved
with the call, and some SDSU fans or BYU haters saying it is true does NOT
change that fact! How much more evidence to you need? Seriously!
The question is not whether other calls went the Aztecs way that shouldn't, or
whether SDSU played lousy or would have won if the call went the other way, or
whether or not you like San Diego State as an institution. There's not even a
question of whether or not the call was wrong--it was, no one disputes that. The
real question is whether or not the wrong call was made because of an attempt to
favor BYU by one or more of the three persons involved in the replay. If that is
the case then BYU should forfeit--it is the only correct thing to do--and it
would be even if it had happened in a game in which BYU had a huge lead.
Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated. If it's true that certain
replays were intentionally not shown, then BYU has to forfeit,
The doofusses that keep harping that BYU was dishonest in this need to shut up
and go back to grade school.***** The Mountain West Conference hired
and controlled the replay officials and all involved - not BYU *******Can you get this through your skulls????????Do you ACTUALLY think
that BYU would do this. If so, you don't really know anyone involved at BYU.