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  • Not So Common Sense Lehi, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:06 p.m.

    Gotta love being a UTE!!!!

    We get to go to play USC, UCLA, etc every year now. Our home games will be so much more exciting with quality teams coming in every week.

    No offense to the MWC intended, but as a season ticket holder, there is little excitement for this weekend's matchup with CSU.

    Next year this time we will be hosting a great game.
    Its gonna feel more like the upcoming game with TCU every week.

    Gotta love being a UTE!!!!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:09 p.m.

    I like it. Though I would have preferred an 8 game conference schedule to a 9 game one.

    So the Utes 2011 schedule is shaping up like this:
    @ Pitt
    @ BYU
    vs Montana State
    vs Oregon
    USC (Home or away?)
    UCLA (Home or away?)
    Arizona (Home or away?)
    Arizona State (Home or away?)
    Colorado (Home or away?)

    Not bad, with three games TBD.

    Now, it's time to win the MWC!

  • Boom Irving, TX
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    Fully Invited!!!

    Welcome to sunny AZ and Southern Cali!

    Go Utes!!!

  • Utes21 Salt Lake City, ut
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    Congrats Utes!!!! Cant wait for the games next year.

  • Snark Provo, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:19 p.m.

    From a loyal BYU fan, I am thrilled for Utah to be in the same division with USC and UCLA. Utah will just get stronger. Make the State proud. You will do great!

  • YtxPat Sugar Land, TX
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:22 p.m.

    Good Luck Utes! I wonder what the "quest" will be after a few years of the Las Vegas Bowl.

  • YtxPat Sugar Land, TX
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:25 p.m.

    Good luck Utes. After this quest, what will it be after 4 or 5 years of the Vegas bowl?

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:30 p.m.

    The Yewets will do very well in the Southern Division. I have them picked to win it next year...

  • Big Ben 2.0 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:37 p.m.

    @ Snark

    thank you for your kind comments. you are a breath of fresh air compared to the trolls we usually get around here.

    This is really exciting! The guys on 1280 were discussing how the pac-12 championship game would be played at the highest rated team's home stadium, meaning it could be at RES! Man! That is sweet!

    It always is, but now more so, a GREAT DAY TO BE A UTE!!!!!!

  • Jeff R. Sheridan, WY
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:38 p.m.

    Congrats to the Utes. I am both a Utah fan and BYU fan. I cant wait to see Utah crash the Pac-(12) next season. I hope Utah whips that crud out of TCU when they come to SLC. Good luck Utah, it seams both Utah and BYU finally out grew the mid level status that only the WAC and MWC could muster! Hers to watching the holy war/First Duel on ESPN next year!!!!

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:39 p.m.

    Utah fans seem to be excited about the prospects of going to warmer climates to play. Would you please do us all am favor and just move?
    Good luck Utah! I wish you the best In your new endeavors..... And... Go Cougars.

  • chad Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:44 p.m.

    As a BYU grad and cougar fan, I must say good luck to you Utah and please make the state of Utah proud! I've got no ill-will or hard feelings towards the U, I think they have got a great opportunity and they certainly did what was in their best interest. Good luck next year, it should be a lot of fun to watch!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:49 p.m.

    Just keeps getting better and better for the Utes.

    #9 Ranking
    Undefeated
    Pac-12 in 2011
    Same division as USC/UCLA
    Equal revenue sharing as of 2014

    Get your tickets now Ute fans. Oregon @ Utah for the Pac-12 Conference Title game in Rice Eccles Stadium. USC not eligible. It's Utah's for the taking!

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:50 p.m.

    I personnally like this arrangement.

    I will be able to see more Utah games on FSN and ABC.

    Now, let's win 6 more regular games this year and take care of this BCS business first.

  • klangton Akiachak, AK
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:50 p.m.

    From downtown Akiachak Alaska:

    WAY TO GO UTES!
    You will do well!!!!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    "Revenue sharing of a yet-to-be-negotiated new television deal, which could exceed $170 million per year when it begins in 2012, will be split evenly by the 12 schools.

    As part of Utah's deal to join the league – going to a Bowl Championship Series league from a non-automatic qualifying conference – the Utes won't receive a full share of television revenue until 2014."
    ===
    It will be split evenly by the 12 schools in 2012, but Utah will not get a full share until 2014.

    Huh?
    ===

    Good luck Utes. I would love to see both Utah's and BYU's athletic programs do well as they go their seperate ways.

    I would have loved to see BYU in the PAC, but I agree with Ernest T, Prop 8 killed any chance of that.

    I do believe that both teams will be far better off in the future than if they had stayed in the MWC.

    Kyle has his work cut out for him, but he's a former coug. He can do it!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:55 p.m.

    Things will get tougher, but I would think any athlete would welcome that. I hope fans will welcome it too. BYU won the WAC almost every year for 25 years but frankly it really didn't mean that much and fans got very little satisfaction out of it. Winning the PAC-12 will be a great challenge which is worth building for even if it takes years. Here's to a new challenge!

  • Fubecao Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    The article says that Utah won't get a full share of the TV revenue for two years because they're coming from a non-Aq conference. Does that mean Colorado gets a full share from the get-go? Does that seem fair to anyone?

    But otherwise, it looks like the Utes got exactly what they wanted. From a true blue BYU fan, congratulations.

  • Game For Any Fuss Draper, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 1:59 p.m.

    This is a best-case-scenario for the Utes. A spot in the southern division means annual exposure in recruit-rich Southern California.

    Also, the Utes can compete right away and may find themselves playing for the Rose Bowl next December!

    Go Utes!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    I like the decision to play the championship game at the home field of the highest placed team. It follows the NFL model. It makes every conference game meaningful because you are not only playing for a division title but for home field advantage. To hoot with the weather! Football is meant to be played outdoors. Many NFL teams have had to play playoff games in Green Bay, Wisconsin and Buffalo, New York. The fans earn it by supporting their team and the team earns it by winning cross over games. I love it!! It also bodes well for expansion of RES. We are not going to sit by with a 45,000 seat stadium when we have the chance to host the title game. I think Larry Scott is a great commissioner. He knows how to build a consensus.

  • stats guy Gilbert, AZ
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:09 p.m.

    Still a bit unclear on the revenue sharing...

    What happens when Utah gets to a PAC-affiliated bowl game at the end of the 2011 season...do the Utes forfeit that money too? What if it is a BIG bowl game? Has anybody seen any details on this?

  • boondock Alpine, Utah
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    So the conference championship game will be played in December at the home field of the highest ranked team. It will be a cold December game should the Utes or Colorado (not likely) host a conference chamionship. Here's one Ute fan looking forward to a snowy game.

  • NC UTES 2010 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:15 p.m.

    Division Championship will go....


    Utah
    Utah
    USC
    Utah
    USC
    Utah
    Utah

    repeat over and over

    2 team race for best in conference - just like it is now with tcu and Utah.

  • Flame of the West The OC, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    Good luck Utes! If you are actually as strong as you think you are now this time next year, how can you not dominate South?

    Look for my Y hat in the stands against SC...not a Ute fan, but it just might have a shade of crimson thanks to Shaky

  • Colo. Aggie Loveland, CO
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:28 p.m.

    As an Aggie who also attended U of U, I say congratulations to the Utes. It seems like things are just getting better and better for Utah. Go get em Utes. Your success will just help elevate football around the state. Now if my Aggies can just get invited (re-invited) to the MWC, I'll be very happy. The MWC would really stablize the USU program and be a nice step forward for the Aggies.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    This will be interesting to watch.

    Utah is on one of its UP cycles. They should be pretty competitive for the next couple of years and they are getting USC on its way down. Couldn't ask for better timing on that one.

    Time will tell.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:34 p.m.

    Congrats from a Cougar fan. Seems like a pretty nice fit. I just have one favor to ask. Can you use some of that BCS money to get a new fight song?

    Seriously though, I hope Utah does well and represents the state with a strong showing.

  • pocyUte2 Pocatello, Id
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:35 p.m.

    Veritas,

    Thats been the plan all along.

    Next year Utah gets nothing from the Pac 12, 2012 they 50% share, 2013 75%, and full share in 2014.

    Hill said Utah would basically lose about 1 million dollars by joining in 2011, but it is obviously well worth it.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:43 p.m.

    It's looking good for the Utes. It will be nice to let the rest of the country that west coast football is more than USC and an occasionally good Oregon team.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:44 p.m.

    @YtxPat
    ...I wonder what the "quest" will be after a few years of the Las Vegas Bowl...


    After a few years of Las Vegas Bowl, BYU's quest is now "Quest for a Bowl" --just any bowl.
    Good lucks, Cougs!!!

  • sportswriter Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:53 p.m.

    Wow, how great to see all the posters being so positive and amicable. Is this April Fools Day or something? What happened to all the BYU haters from the Red North? Hopefully gone forever! How can anyone disagree that getting out of the MWC is like escaping from a long horrid prison sentence? Utah and BYU will have to really step up their games (especially Utah in the non-football sports) in their new situations. Obviously BYU will excel in the "Olympic" sports, but watching both teams' football fortunes will be extremely enticing. Of course, BYU will get slammed for its soft 2011 football schedule just as Utah, TCU, Boise State, etc., had to live theirs down this year.

  • Ida_UTE_byu_daho Lehi, Utah
    Oct. 21, 2010 2:58 p.m.

    I hope the Utes beat the "MWC" outta the Rams this weekend. Coach Witt has it right. As Usual.

  • JHP Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:01 p.m.

    Good luck, Utes, I hope you represent the state well.

    While the PAC-10 is more clearly a good conference this year, last year the MWC was better. I think the Utes have a good chance to win the conference next year. The AZ teams and UCLA are no good, so it'll be between SC and UofU most years.

  • Andy Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    Thanks Mac, Urban and Whitt.

    GO UTES!!!!!

  • mcp Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    Based on how BYU's schedule is shaping up, after 2011 Utah and BYU will have both risen above mid-major status. Both will play many/mostly BCS teams every year and should have trouble coming close to going undefeated but should start getting better recruits.

    College football in the state is going to get better and better each year. It's going to be neat to have Utah in the PAC-12 playing good teams and BYU playing good teams from all around the nation each year.

    Go Utes and Cougars!

  • sisucas San Bernardino, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:04 p.m.

    It's amazing what good things have been happening for University of Utah football since they got BYU grads as their university president and head football coach. Good for U!

  • CRB Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:06 p.m.

    Its sooooo cool. The Utes don't need to win the conferene and not even the division to have a chance to play in a BCS game. The Pac 12 with a conference champ game will be a good candidate for two teams in the BCS each year, just as the Big 12 and SEC have been. This year Utah would be the second team if the rankings were final today. Oh but there's more for those out there with Ute envy. They can finish third or 4th and be in the Alamo or Holliday bowl against a top 15 team from a BCS conference. They would have to finish 5th in a two BCS year to get the LV Bowl and play Boise State or TCU which would still be pretty good. On the otherhand BYU as an independant, assuming they are not undefeated would fill in the unfilled spots for the conferences that didn't have enough qualifiers. That means a last place bowl like the Emerald or Motor City or Toronto or Armed Forces Bowl. In a few years a .500 record in the LV bowl may look pretty good.

  • Not So Common Sense Lehi, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    The revenue sharing only applies to TV money, NOT bowl money. Utah will get its conference split of ALL bowl money; plus they would get their 50% share from going to a bowl game themselves. If Utah goes to any bowl game next year they will see very little loss in revenue over this years $2 mil they get from the MWC. If the U happens to see Roses next year they will be WAYYYYY ahead. Like $8.5 million!!!
    The Las Vegas bowl is the PAC12's current LOWEST paying and lowest tier bowl. Puts things in perspective a little.
    When Utah gets a 50% share in 2012 they will still be getting at least $7mil in TV money alone. It just gets better after that.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Gracious George West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:08 p.m.

    I am happy for Utah. I think it is great for the state of Utah that we have two football teams that are going to bring in much more revenue.

    Getting quality football opponents in SLC and Provo will be tremendous economically for the area--it will bring in millions of dollars to local business and in tax revenues.

    Over the long run the programs will continue to improve and the universities will develop into greater academic and athletic institutions.

    I have absolutely no problem rooting for both schools. When one school does well, it only serves to benefit the other.

    Please do not have the attitude that you cannot root for both schools (the exception is obviously when they play each other). But even then, you can still root for both to do well and conduct yourself in a way that will bring honor to both schools.

    I look forward to many wonderful BYU-Utah football and basketball games in the years to come, and to watching each of them develop new rivalries in their respective endeavors.

    May we as Utahns step up and support these fine schools. May we be proud of their tradition and fine athletic performance.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:20 p.m.

    So, if Utah draws Oregon next year they could play them twice (including the conference championship)?

    So the Utes 2011 schedule is shaping up like this:
    @ Pitt
    @ BYU
    vs Montana State
    vs Oregon
    USC (Home or away?)
    UCLA (Home or away?)
    Arizona (Home or away?)
    Arizona State (Home or away?)
    Colorado (Home or away?)

    CAL or Stanford (Home or away?)
    Oregon or OR State (Home or away?)
    WA or WA State (Home or away?)

    Conference game?
    Bowl game?

    You guys have to beat up the PAC12 first year out and embarrass the BCS PLEEZ!!! How good would that feel for everybody!

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    "Does that seem fair to anyone?"

    It's not about fairness, Utah is a mid major Colorado isn't, also Utah has no compensatory fee for leaving their current conference, Colorado does.

    The bottom line is this was the deal, the ring only comes around once best grab it and hold on and make the best of it. The difference between the escalating revenue vs. staying in the MWC for the next 4 years is negliable.

  • Fred Vader Oklahoma City, OK
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    Not So Common Sense said:

    "No offense to the MWC intended, but as a season ticket holder, there is little excitement for this weekend's matchup with CSU.

    Next year this time we will be hosting a great game.
    Its gonna feel more like the upcoming game with TCU every week."

    That brings up an interesting question. Now that the "U" home games will be "great" should the season ticket holders and regular attenders expect a huge increase in ticket costs from the "U"? I hope not.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:24 p.m.

    this is a great accomplishment for the U - both for its athletic programs (football especially) and as an institution. The U will be elevated nationally both athletically and academically which is great for the state of Utah!

  • Curtis Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:24 p.m.

    Brian Johnson deserves an immediate raise.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:36 p.m.

    So pretty much the south champion will either be Utah or USC. Thats a great division for the Utes to land in. They have good results against most of the north schools, although Oregon will probably be the winner half the time from the north division, and thats one school the Utes will probably struggle with.

    Good News!

    Go Utes!

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 3:37 p.m.

    Gooooooooooooooo UTES! Thanks BYU for letting us step on you to get to a BCS conference.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Oct. 21, 2010 4:13 p.m.

    Does anybody else think the scheduling situation looks like an LSAT problem? I'd hate to be the one figuring that out every year. 2 divisions, everyone plays everyone else in the division, all CA schools play every year, all teams play in LA at least once every other year. Sheesh!

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 4:19 p.m.

    Great news for Utah, congrats.

    Now if only some of the crazies will actually start loving their own program, instead of hating ours.

  • Boom Irving, TX
    Oct. 21, 2010 4:19 p.m.

    Utah definitely has their work cut out for them. The PAC has nowhere near the parity that Utah is accustomed to.

    To assume that Utah or USC will win the Southern division with regularity is a stretch. Both schools have great programs but so do the Arizona schools. And it won't be long until UCLA and Colorado are back up in the mix.

    There is no need for Ute fans to exude arrogance...it is poor form. We should all be very happy today but lets not let our heads grow.

    Carry the banner Tribe,

    Go Utes!!!

  • FlyingUte Murray, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 4:48 p.m.

    Say all they want about traditional rivalries, I smell a USC vs Utah storm brewing that will be huge!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 21, 2010 5:03 p.m.

    What a great day for the Utes and for the state. I really like how all of the posts have been positive and supportive. Let's just hope SammyG doesn't rear his ugly head.

    Congrats to the zoo for their six game agreement with ND. Even though its a 4 and 2.

    Go Utes! Go Crimson!

  • joek Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 5:10 p.m.

    Go Utes! I am so excited.

  • Utefan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 5:17 p.m.

    Sweet!!!

  • MenaceToSociety Draper, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 5:25 p.m.

    What is the PAC? The Pacific Athletic Conference?

    It's the Pac 12, as in Pacific 12 Conference.

  • UteMan South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 5:36 p.m.

    The only way this schedule gets any better next year is if (3) of the Utes (4) conference road games include Colorado, ASU and Washington State which will be the only gimmies for the first couple of years on the road.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    Oct. 21, 2010 5:39 p.m.

    Because of the snobbery at USC, they will never consider a Utah being a rival.
    Congrats to the Utes and their fans. The Pac10/12 did a godo job of separating the teams and each division has a good mix of weak and strong. The Utes could realistically challenge for a Pac 12 championship next year, at worst just one or two losses in the Pac 12 (most likely just one, if any).
    Keep in mind this is coming from a BYU fan. It's good to see Utah doing well, and it will be good to see them do well in the future - it will only help the state of Utah. Plus, it will help BYU's schedule in the future to play a good Pac 12 team.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 21, 2010 6:40 p.m.

    Last year at this time, who would have thought this would be a reality?

  • ego Laie, HI
    Oct. 21, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    Can't wait to fly into Utah for the Conference Championship Game in the end of November/beginning of December....I hope there is snow and lots of it!

    Go Utes!

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Oct. 21, 2010 6:58 p.m.

    Though I hate to admit it, this BYU fan is now envious of Utah. They are going to dominate the south. I would have thought maybe a couple of years to build the prestige but I think that they are going to have an immediate impact. The south is not full of talented teams. The north will be the hardest to win. After this year, I will bury the hatchet and wish you the best. Maybe I will even root for you until you play BYU. Good luck.

  • VictorVonTrap Draper, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 7:35 p.m.

    I think Utah will do very well in their division. They should be contenders for the Rose Bowl next year and in the hunt for many more years. Very good coaching, excellent recruiting, and a strong AD combine to make for a powerful football program. Go Utes.

  • chuckie Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 8:04 p.m.

    Living Hard, and yet they can't beat BYU, in football or basketball...

    So sad for the weakest team in Utah.

    #9, and #3 in Utah...

    Basketball, what is the CBI, and why not even let the Utes play?

    Because they have been weighed, measured, and found lacking Pac invite and all.

    Probably the Wac should have invited USU-- Someone not to embarass the state.

    I am so looking forwar to se who is the cellar dwellar in the PAC... WSU, or the U of U.

    Hey Boylen, get out of the Utah basement before you try to play with the likes of SWBU!

  • Jones67 Tooele, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 8:13 p.m.

    My first recollection of going to a Utah Ute game was in the mid-70s and playing Oregon and thinking (as a kid) how can we be losing to a team called the "Ducks." My dad, brother and I would walk to the games back then to the old Rice Stadium. Those are great memories. It is just so incredible that Utah is now in the same league (not division) as Oregon and the rest of the PAC schools.

    I just want to thank all of the great Ute coaches that came before to help pave the way: Armstrong, Curtice, Howard, Stobart, McBride, Meyer and of course - Coach Whit.

    And the players (that I remember watching): Gomez, Rodgers, Monroe, Griffin, Larry Egger, Curt Jones, E. Tucker (Shaky is the reincarnation), Eddie Johnson, Rowley, Scott Lieber (remember the Wisconsin game?), L. Edwards (remember the Minnesota game?), both Anderson rbs, L. Scott, Charlie Brown, L. Ellis, M. Fouts, . . . etc., etc. (The list goes on and on)

    It is a great day to be a Ute.

  • AZ Dave Chandler, AZ
    Oct. 21, 2010 8:20 p.m.

    Welcome to the PAC-12. All this Rose Bowl talk is a bit premature.

  • Kameron South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    Very sexy! If we play this right, we could have a huge home field advantage as the only cold weather games may be in SLC. Yah baby yah!

  • utahcanada Orem, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 8:32 p.m.

    I think it is interesting that The BYU fans are being very supportive and positive in the comments, but the Utah fans seem to look for ways to make another stab at BYU, Both schools are great and if not for the religious intolerance of the PAC 10, good chance they both would be PAC bound, which would have been a great move for everyone, But instead BYU and UTAH parts ways and one set of fans sure seems a lot more graceful about it.

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 8:39 p.m.

    Hey look, Chuckles the comedian is back. Funny how you disappeared after your team started losing. How is your team doin'?

    Guess what Chuck, Utah is #9 in the nation, not state. Want to make a wager on the Nov 27th game? I bet Utah wins that game by at least 21 and will be no less than 11-1 for the year.

    Next year they will be rockin' in the PAC 12. I know that you will be so excited to see them play Jan 1st with the big parade with flowers before the game. Utah will be equal sharing revenue with UCLA, USC, Stanford, ect... and should soon be getting at least 14 mil in TV revenue alone.

    This is some pretty cool news. Unfortunately, you only have sour grapes and crow pie to eat. You really should join the great buffet that Utah offers. You won't have to be so sad.

    Anyway, GREAT to be a UTE fan!!!!

    P.S. Chuckles keep up the comedy. It is mildly amusing.

  • rickski13 salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 21, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    i am excited for next year as it will be a challenge
    as we will faced 11 tough games. 9 pac 12 games plus pitt and byu on the road. we might lose more games then byu but we won't be playing 5 leftover teams from the wac

  • neglib Herriman, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 9:44 p.m.

    USC/UCLA/ASU...top quality opponents! Don;t forget Montana State

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Oct. 21, 2010 10:57 p.m.

    Missed me VegasUte? "ugly head" is here for you.

    Since I've been posting it's been very interesting to observe how Ute fans categorize and name any and all that have a counter comment. And now all of this hype about how the Utes are going to do this and that next year. Very interesting indeed.

    Well, congratulations to the Utes. Obviously your schedule will be greatly improved and it will be nice to cash a bigger paycheck and provide better TV coverage for every fan. All a big plus if you're a football fan in Utah, not quite sure how the other sports will fare.

    Now the reality. Kiss a BIG winning season goodbye! Your glory days of being a big fish in a little pond are coming to an end. This will be greatly discussed but next year at this time we will all remember this conversation and question...was it really that good of a move?

    Maybe an 8-4 season next year and I've bumped that up since last week. That will be as good as it gets so kiss that 'long' tradition (choke, gag, hack) of BCS games goodbye. No NC2010.

  • Archie O\'Fallon, MO
    Oct. 21, 2010 11:31 p.m.

    sammyg | 10:57 p.m. Oct. 21, 2010

    Are you a comedian?

    First you say:
    ..."And now all of this hype about how the Utes are going to do this and that next year. Very interesting indeed."

    Then you say:
    "Now the reality. Kiss a BIG winning season goodbye! Your glory days of being a big fish in a little pond are coming to an end. This will be greatly discussed but next year at this time we will all remember this conversation and question...was it really that good of a move?"

    So, I guess you are the only one allowed to have a crystal ball??

  • Carnitaaaas Cin Gordo Redlands, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 11:47 p.m.

    SDSU always thought they had a rivalry with BYU, So did Wyoming, but it was always BYU, Utah.

    The rivalry will always be USC - UCLA.

    That won't change.

    "Living Hard, and yet they can't beat BYU, in football or basketball...

    So sad for the weakest team in Utah.

    #9, and #3 in Utah..."

    Magna, I'm thinking the way it is worded, Utah is 9th in football, but behind BYU and USU in basketball...

    You might find humor in that, but it really is not that funny. Boylen needs some OTJ training and fast.

    Who will Utah hire that can win in the PAC.

    Majerus? Not likely.
    Connors? Loves his family too much.
    Judkins? He has a great gig at BYU, and I'm not sure he is the quality guy we need.
    Steve Alford might just be the move Utah could make, if he is willing to leave UNM...

    Menace's opinion aside, I think everyone will understand if I say the PAC.

    And there is no such thing as "A" Utes.

    Lastly... nobody should be talking BCS or NC at this point. Let's hope we win out, and then we talk.

    MMMmmmmmm, K?

  • Carnitaaaas Cin Gordo Redlands, CA
    Oct. 21, 2010 11:51 p.m.

    Arch--

    I agree, Utah never was the Big fish in a little pond in the MWC. They were a fish in the hunt, and yes, they will need to work to even have a shot in their PAC division, let alone a PAC championship.

    Utah is lucky to have a former coug in Kyle, but I think now he is a Ute, he better get to preparing for a tough schedule.

    That is not a crystal ball my friend. It is reality.

  • Bo Jangles Meridian, ID
    Oct. 22, 2010 12:02 a.m.

    Welcome back Chuck. Since your on the topic of basketball, hope the cougs enjoy their games in the 900 seat WCC gyms. Ever been to Pepperdine? It's smaller than my son's high school gym. Nice move!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 22, 2010 12:22 a.m.

    This is all good news for Utah - for next year.

    I am still looking forward to how this year's team performs. I hope they, unlike so many of us fans, keep their focus on what is happening now, rather than what may happen a year from now.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 22, 2010 12:29 a.m.

    chuckie | 8:04 p.m. Oct. 21, 2010

    I am so looking forwar to se who is the cellar dwellar in the PAC... WSU, or the U of U.

    ---------

    WOW chuks is back.

    Why look forward to next year. Your team is already a cellar dweller as a mid-major.


    Congrats to the UTES!

    Like the late Biggie Smalls once said...

    I am going, going, back, back to Cali Cali.

    I for one, can't wait!!!

    Meanwhile let we have unfinished business over the next 6 weeks.

    Go UTES!!

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2010 1:06 a.m.

    If Utah does well in PAC-12 play, they will, unfortunately, dominate recruiting in Utah.
    However, I think they will be mediocre against steady PAC-12 competition.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 22, 2010 3:30 a.m.

    For those of you who are predicting that the Utes will be anywhere from mediocre to cellar-dwellers in the PAC 10, please answer this for me:

    If it had been BYU going to the PAC 10 (as many faithful BYU fans assumed 10-20 years ago), would your prediction for BYU's performance be just as dire?

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 22, 2010 3:33 a.m.

    I have a question for those of you who believe Utah will be at best mediocre, or maybe even cellar-dwellers, in the Pac 10:

    If if had been BYU going to the Pac 10, would your forecast for BYU's success, or lack thereof, be just as gloomy?

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Oct. 22, 2010 6:52 a.m.

    Are the Utes living right or what? This is really amazing. It could not have worked out better for them. But now it's show time. I hope we still feel this way five years from now.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 22, 2010 8:26 a.m.

    Because of the snobbery of the PAC-10 BYU isn't in the mix also.

  • SLCWatch Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 8:39 a.m.

    Everyone should try to remember the three axioms of Change. 1)The only way to improve is to change. 2)Change always costs. 3)Change is not always an improvement.
    For those who haven't put two and two together Utah is $15 million behind every PAC 12 team in annual budget. Even more with USC and UCLA. The big paycheck from TV? Won't catch up. Where does the difference come from if Utah is to compete? The PAC 12 doesn't make it up for you...you do. Hill has already warned everyone...this is going to cost and it's going to be steep. Here is just a simple look at it. Say the budget requires $2 million more per game just to get close in budget. 45,000 (15,000 are students) fans per game is still $44 per fan per game. Higher tickets, higher food cost, higher everything. TV is not going to make up the difference-it's even across the schools. Plan on seeing tickets going to out of state rich boosters of all the other teams. Family Football visits and Students are about get slapped with reality.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 8:42 a.m.

    What Utah has to play for:

    A division title.

    Home field advantage (every conference game has meaning).

    A conference title.

    A Rose Bowl berth.

    A national championship.

    What BYU has to play for:

    Contract extensions with ESPN.

    Mostly away games with the top teams on their schedule.

    Gee, I wonder where the top recruits including LDS kids will want to go to play college football?

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    everything on here is just speculation. ute fans are excited to get where we've been trying to go for so long and we see the really, the sky is the limit for this program. then people like sammyg come in, say something that's supposed to bring us back down to earth, everything goes full circle and we're back to dogging other programs again.

    utah is going to take a few licks here and there but i think in this new pac 12 we can be real successful. now we'll see how good coach whit really is. i have full confidence in him and the direction this program is going. i'm excited to see how things shape out.

    as for no longer being a big fish in a small pond... i'd rather be a fish in a big pond than a fish in no pond

  • govt rocks Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 9:53 a.m.

    This is great. I have no problem paying more for my season tickets. I would gladly pay $15 more per ticket (a 50% increase). It is well worth it to see better home games.

    I am going to hold off on any sort of predictions for next year, particularly with half a season yet to be played. Lets get by CSU tomorrow. CSU played their best game in 2 years last week. With AFA looming next week, we cannot afford to take the game lightly.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Oct. 22, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    what more could the Utes have asked for? As a season ticket holder (hopefully I can still afford it after Dr, Hill jacks the prices), I'm stoked. For the Cougar fans that have shone there is some class in Provo, it's nice to read your comments. For the Yners, WAAAAAH

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 10:39 a.m.

    Started out with a lot of great comments and moved downhill from there. Congrats Utah. I think you have a great chance of being an above average team in the PAC year in and out. Not likely to have any undefeated seasons in a tougher conference but I will be watching and hoping. It is realistic that they could be in the championship game next year and possibly play in the Rose Bowl. I wish they had been in the top 10 at the beginning of this year. They would have at least been able to be in the NC talks with an undefeated season. I want a non-BCS team in the NC game and I think BSU and TCU are the only ones who have a shot. It would be great to see the Utes in a BCS game this year.
    I don't teally think that this will have much effect on the Y's recruiting though. They will get mostly the same athletes they would have gotten. I think the move to independance and the teams they will play will be a plus in recruiting, just like the PAC affiliation will have some effect for Utah

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    @ sammyg

    Gotta love the words of a bitter cougar fan. It'll only get better as the years go on and we dominate not only on the gridiron but in the recruiting battle too.

    Anywho, I just took a look at the 2011 BYU schedule, it looks like it's shaping up to be a real doozie!!! There are some formidable teams on there, such as mighty UCF, fearsome Utah State, and other quality foes like Idaho, New Mexico State, San Jose State, and Louisiana Tech!!! After losing the first three to Oregon State, Texas, and Utah, (and it's possible that USU could beat the cougs again) I figure, even with the soft schedule, the cougs will still go 8-4 at best.

    But hey, at least they'll be on ESPN half the time so the whole nation can witness the epic beatdowns that the zoobs have to endure and the narrow wins that they'll pull out against mediocre teams!!! (SDSU and washington for example)

    Rise and Shout, the Cougars are OUT (of luck for ever being considered for a BCS game, that is.)

    GREAT DAY TO BE A UTE!!!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    Congrats Utah and good luck in the PAC 12!

    With a good group of coaches trained by the master, LaVell, the Utes should continue to do well.

    It's too bad that the religious bigots at Cal kept BYU from joining you.

    The postulate that Colorado will become Utah's new "rival" is silly.

    Regardless of conference or independence, BYU and Utah are tied at the hip as rivals.

    Generations of loyalty, of split families, co-workers, friends, and neighbors living on opposite sides of the red/blue fence isn't going to fade just because BYU and Utah don't play in the same conference.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Oct. 22, 2010 11:46 a.m.

    Utah deserves this. I would like to thanks all former players for making this possible.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 22, 2010 12:24 p.m.

    Funny how the zoobs try to point out the fact that Whittingham is a graduate of the Y, but they forget he was coached by Utah graduates! The zoo's greatest years were because of Utah alumni, Lavell Edwards and Norm Chow.

    The zoo's greatest achieving QB in the NFL was coached to his greatest NFL achievements by a Ute!!

    Whitt turned down the zoo several times before the Utah job was even open. Tells you something!! Zoo had to settle for second choice.

    The U accepts an invitation to the Conference of Champions. The zoo has to do something so they go independent. Because they thought it was best for the school? No, it was second choice. Even your AD, in a press conference, said that going to a BCS conference would have been their obvious choice, but "there were no takers".

    Face it zoobs, you will NEVER get out of the shadows of your big brother on the hill.

    Go Utes! Love the Crimson!

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 22, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    You can spout off until you're blue in the face, VegasUte, but the groundwork for Utah's success was laid with football expertise learned by Utah's coaches while playing and coaching under LaVell's tutelage.

    LaVell may have earned a Master's degree at Utah, but he learned the basics of football playing at Utah State.

    Chow learned how to coach from LaVell at BYU.

    LaVell was the Renaissance man as far as BYU's offense is concerned -- he implemented the passing game at BYU, then brought in coach after coach after coach to perfect BYU's passing attack.

    That's what great coaches do and it's something that Kyle and other Utah coaches learned from LaVell.

    LaVell's PhD, btw, is from BYU!

    Your constant bitterness towards BYU, just proves that no matter what Utah accomplishes, for you, it will never be able to stand on its own without comparing it to BYU.

    Good luck in the PAC 12!

    I hope you make us all proud little brother.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Yeah right, Cougars wise little brothers. Sorry Utah does not need BYU and soon BYU will be just an afterthought in most Ute fans minds. You cougar fans’ delusions of grandeur and importance to others never fails to amaze me. Enjoy mid-major independence.

  • Gracious George West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 22, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    I appreciate those on the comment boards that are leaving positive comments.

    I can only wish some here, whether they are BYU or Utah fans, or observers, will please be respectful as it reflects negatively when they're not.

    As for Utah, I am excited for the athletic program. It is hard to know right away how competitive they will be in the PAC-12, but once they rise to the level of talent the conference possesses, they will be good.

    The future is bright for Utah, that we know. And even more exciting is that we as fans will get to have a part to play in the dawning of a new era in Utah and BYU athletic history.

    I cannot wait for teams like Oregon and USC to play football in Utah. The overall athletic program, not just football and basketball, will benefit greatly. Utah has strong women's volleyball and women's gymnastics programs, both of which will get stronger right away as the PAC-12 is the nation's strongest conference in those sports.

    Be patient with Utah if they have some down years in the beginning.

    Just ask BYU.

  • swaps Las Animas, CO
    Oct. 22, 2010 5:22 p.m.

    Great sportsmanship on most posts

    But focus should be on the now. The Utes still have a wall of worry to climb this year.

    Wyoming 7 Texas 34
    Wyoming 6 Utah 30

    But Wyoming 0 TCU 45

    and

    Utah 27 Pitt 24 OT
    Notre Dame 23 Pitt 17 regulation.

    Feisty spoiler AF looms ahead, as well as the Y, which is always up for one of the top 5 hottest rivalries in football.

    Praise to the poster who noted the Utes climb to the mountain top started with Mac and continued through Urban and Whit.

    The Utes are now in the Pac 12 but Utah has shown all of its previous conference alignments came to an end one day.

    Go Utes - but for some humility look up the Wikipedia review of Ute football over the years and old timers can remember the dark years of the '70s and '80s.

    Fortunes ebb and flow. Enjoy the rising tide that swamped the Alabama Tide.

    So the Utes need to thank Bama too. Would love to see the Utes whip the Tide again.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 7:36 p.m.

    @rockothemarne, vegas ute, etc

    I guess 40 years of living in BYU's shadow gives you impetus to pound your chest a bit. Slow down Utes, see that train coming 'round the bend? It's got your name all over it.

    You think you have surpassed BYU as Top Dog? Not so fast trolls.

    I remember the exuberance the Arizona schools felt when they left the old WAC and they were surely going to dominate the Pac-8 (10) in their minds.

    Never happened. 2 Rose Bowls between them in 30 years! Chew on that Utes.

    You are entering a league which places as high a priority on Basketball and Olympic sports as anything else.

    Will Utah ever win a Conference Championship again, in any sport?

    Utah won 1 Conference Championship last year. BYU-9.

    When the Arizona schools Superior Traditions over Utah (in all sports) have struggled as they have, then it really should encourage Utes to temper their boastfulness.

    Utah hasn't dominated a Conference in 60 years, why will now be any different?

    The rude lessons of humility coming your way, will be painful.

    6 and 6 seasons won't fill your stadium.

    Ask Washington State.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 22, 2010 8:00 p.m.

    @rockofthemarne

    Utah is now and will forever be a
    "Mid-Major" "Within their own Conference".

    Regardless of their revenues, they will not match BYU's exposure or influence.

    Get used to 1 or 2 games, maybe, a year Nationally in Football and "None" in Basketball. And settle in to your new home at Fox Regional.


    Memo to trolls....

    Mid-Majors Don't...

    1-Sign Independepent TV deals with ESPN for 8-10 million per year.

    2-Have their own TV Network with state of the art HD facilities. Which will generate another 4-6 million in TV revenues.

    3-Have every, single, solitary, Football and Basketball game Televised Nationally and Internationally. ESPN family, ABC, or BYU-TV.

    4-Have the rights to all of their Olympic sports and monetizing them as well.

    5-Granted same day re-play rights on their own Network with Network games.

    6-Can forge their own schedule, every year, play games and teams across the Nation, with teams which have publically stated their respect of BYU and it's tradition.

    7-Schedule $2.5 million games, on their name alone.

    BYU has landed in it's best spot and so has Utah, grow up.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Oct. 22, 2010 9:10 p.m.

    Bluto, not being in a BCS conference makes your team a mid-major. Mid major is defined by almost any and everyone for football as anyone not in one of the six BCS leagues. So please let that reality hit you on your way out to independence which any team can do if the chose. Getting invited to BCS conference is a big deal (especially one that isn't the Big Least). With regards to ESPN, they show many a night DIVIAA and DIV II teams so getting on ESPNU is no big deal. If your team was so great and valuable why hasn't the BIG XII or any other BCS conference come calling; they’ve made offers to Notre Dame, why not your team? Bottom line is Utah's in, BYU's out, deal with it.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Oct. 22, 2010 10:49 p.m.

    Rock Of The Marne

    "not being in a BCS conference makes your team a mid-major."

    Says who?

    There's no such thing as a mid-major independent.

    The mid-major label applies only to conferences.

    BYU leaves mid-major status the same day Utah leaves mid-major status.

    Don't be so certain that being in the PAC 12 is Utah's golden ticket to national prestige.

    Utah could just as easily be joining the ranks of the Washington States and Baylors and Dukes of the world. Mid-major teams within a major conference.

    Another Arizona. 30 years in the PAC 10 and still looking for their first Rose Bowl.

    The biggest difference between BYU and Utah going forward is Utah will still be judged by the conference they're associated with.

    BYU, henceforth, will be judged solely on what BYU accomplishes.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Oct. 23, 2010 2:23 a.m.

    Rock Of The Marne

    "not being in a BCS conference makes your team a mid-major."

    Says who?

    There's no such thing as a mid-major independent.

    The mid-major label applies only to conferences.

    BYU leaves mid-major status the same day Utah leaves mid-major status.

    Don't be so certain that being in the PAC 12 is Utah's golden ticket to national prestige.

    Utah could just as easily be joining the ranks of the Washington States and Baylors and Dukes of the world. Mid-major teams within a major conference.

    Another Arizona. 30 years in the PAC 10 and still looking for their first Rose Bowl.

    The biggest difference between BYU and Utah going forward is Utah will still be judged by the conference they're associated with.

    BYU, henceforth, will be judged solely on what BYU accomplishes.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Oct. 23, 2010 5:56 a.m.

    Utes will now have a 1/4 share of a big pot of money. Instead of having their revenues syphoned off by the likes of Wyoming and New Mexico.

    Remember, the LA, Phoenix, Tuscon, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco/Oakland/San Jose markets are all considerably larger TV markets compared to Salt Lake.

    The amount they will get when they have a full share will be incredible. Lets hope it helps build a better basketball team!

    Go Utes!

  • Max Syracuse, NY
    Oct. 23, 2010 7:24 a.m.

    I am amused at all this big brother/little brother talk. I am a fan of both teams and the fact is that BYU was most definitely the big brother for many years. But now it is clear that times have changed and if we must use that terminology it is now the Utes who are the "big brother".

    I think BYU has begun a horrible down hill slide relative to Utah. The BYU advantage in recruiting blue chip LDS athletes has taken a severe hit. Utah has a great LDS coach and a great LDS institute in a great LDS city. Also, BYU has trivialized every other sport by putting them in the WCC. What will THAT do for recruiting in basketball and for attendance at games? Again, as a fan of both teams, I hope something good happens so that BYU won't fall so far behind Utah, but right now it really is hard to be optimistic about BYUs athletic future.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Oct. 23, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    Bluto,

    Just remember, Even New Mexico can decide to go independent. No merit or invite required.

    You see, what keeps you and other kewgs up late at night is knowing your school and athletic program has not "influenced" the group(s) you so desperatly want acceptance from. Going "independent" is just another way of saying you failed.

    It's like the kid who wasn't accepted into college and instead tries to set-up a lawn mowing business.