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Dick Harmon: Scrutiny building for Jake Heaps

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  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 12:13 a.m.

    Sorry Dick,

    Your title sounds very negative. I've not heard one fan near me at the game criticize or scrutinize Heaps--only coaches and calls. Only media types are pushing or suggesting scrutinizing young Jake. All fans have been screaming for Jake to have the ball. Only the coaches--who are no longer green should be "scrutinized". And Anae's years of hiding behind Beck and Hall are over! Beck and Hall often audibled out of Anae's ridiculous play calling!

    Please--get us a genious OC! ala "Edward's-esque"

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Sept. 28, 2010 12:54 a.m.

    I watched Dalton against SMU. He was not that impressive. TCU is not as good this year.

    BYU is fully capable of switching from a TE/Unga/Tonga offense to a WR offense if the WRs get it together.

    BYU needs at least one TE to step up. They need Kariya to play as well as last year.

    I would suggest that part of Heaps problem is getting hurried and sacked. That was especially true against FSU. Maybe he held the ball waiting for the WRs to get open?

    He needs to emulate Rogers of Green Bay. He gets rid of the ball very quickly. That of course requires RBs and TEs who can get open in short yardage and catch the ball.

    Heaps will get the blame, but how many TDs and INTs would Hall have at this point with the WRs, TEs, and RBs, that Heaps has?

    BYU could spread the field and utilize the WRs and RBs more but that would require better pass protection and outlet receivers who could catch.

    When the receiving core start running consistent routes Heaps accuracy will improve.

    Heaps has a long way to go. But it is not all Heaps.

  • Jim Marshall Clearfield, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:07 a.m.

    Heaps has just not been very good and it is easy to see now why Bronco favored Riley Nelson.

    13 points against the WAC 2nd place team, who happens to have a poor defense, is not going to cut it. I did not understand Jake's quote after the game that he "had his way" with Nevadas defense. Really?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:36 a.m.

    I hope BYU doesn't ruin this Freshman. After this season, he may be shell-shocked. Playing him from game 1 was the wrong decision, not allowing him to season and mature. In the time Bronco has been in charge, this is his biggest mistake and I hope it doesn't cost BYU big time.

  • sports fan Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:47 a.m.

    "This is called scrutiny, Jake. It's an art the second-guessers associated with BYU football have made an art form."

    one of the most poorly written, repetitive statements i have ever seen in the printed word.

    Heaps will get better as the team matures, i never count BYU out, too good of coaches too good of players. they will be back, if not later this year than next year.

    Go Utes.

  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:48 a.m.

    "Having a good, experienced quarterback might be the single biggest factor in determining success of a program," ...

    So why didn't Bronco realize that a few weeks back? If he did, he would know to go with Riley at starting QB.

    Seems like he is still learning while on the job.

  • aglebagel Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 7:27 a.m.

    The thing that makes me nervous about Heaps is that many of his mistakes in the last game were simply bad throws. I'd expect a true freshman to have problems reading coverages, adjusting to the speed of the defense, etc. but he totally blew several throws, especially of the deeper variety that I'm sure he's been making for years. Yes, there were too many fade routes, but maybe one of them would have worked if Heaps hadn't thrown them all out of bounds!
    All that said, I do believe that the play calling and the receivers are a bigger problem, but I wasn't the only one there on Saturday getting a bit tired of missed throws.

  • Infidel06 Colorado Springs, CO
    Sept. 28, 2010 7:38 a.m.

    Jake's parents hired their own publicist, didn't they? What's their explanation?

    Sorry, but the 'entitlement' factor that seems to be driving this team to satisfy Jake's (and unrealistic fans, parents) needs in order to keep him from taking that entitlement attitude (his or that ascribed to his 'camp') to another school is potentially a damning factor for this team. I am uncomfortable with unproven prospects and anticipation alone being able to wield so much influence.

    I sympathize with Coach Mendenhall in trying to design an offensive scheme, and split time between two QBs' styles. Having not settled that Jake might should have spent the year reshirted now means a potentially dismal season, with the precedents it might set for future blue-chippers, and that everyone has to be patient with what comes with developing an untested QB, and a receiver corps who have difficulty separating themselves or catching the ball.

  • Oregon Ute Hermiston, OR
    Sept. 28, 2010 8:43 a.m.

    I'm a Ute fan and I see the potential in Heaps. The Y will be just fine, give them some time. By the end of the season you will see a completely different team. What I am getting from the past few articles written by Harmon is that he is really doing the scrutinizing. I have never seen Harmon flip flop so fast in my life. He was all for the 2 QB system at first and wrote of how effective it will be an now he blasts the coaches for doing it. Harmon, you sound like a rainy day weather fan. Like them when they are good and bash them when they are bad. Get over it.

  • TheSpiker Alpine, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:05 a.m.

    sports fan

    Are you kidding? You called Dick out with this:

    "one of the most poorly written, repetitive statements i have ever seen in the printed word."

    and then followed it up with:

    "i never count BYU out, too good of coaches too good of players. they will be back, if not later this year than next year."

    Come on ... I know they teach better than that on the hill. I mean, that is really funny!

    (I did appreciate your other points, however.)

  • sports-junkie West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:20 a.m.

    Jake will be fine. Some throws were bad but a lot of the play calls were even worse.

    Chucking balls to a fading receiver is hard enough for a veteran QB. Calling that play 5-6 times in the last few minutes of the game last saturday was rediculous and Anae should be held accountable for that.

    I remember last year when the Cougs played the utes, Jordan Wynn over-threw his receiver on at least 3-4 deep balls. I beleive its because when QB's are young they are very afraid of throwing a INT. Jake was the same way, he missed badly on some throws but I think it will only be a matter of time until he starts connecting on those on a regular basis.

    Up until last week Jake was splitting time, splitting practice reps and splitting valuable experience with another QB. It has only been his 'baby' for one week. (not to mention the 4th hardest sked in the country up to this point) Give him some time and be patient, let him make mistakes and he will grow into a very good QB.

    Go Cougs!!! Beat USU!!!

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    Oregonute,

    Thanks. It is nice to have a Utah fan post positive comments. I wish you and your team well. go Cougars.

  • Crispy Lips Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    Watching Jordan Wynn play as a true freshman last year really shows me that Jordan Wynn was head and shoulders better than Heaps. Jordan Wynn was so composed, accurate and a real leader. Heaps looks lost and in way over his head. I guess the key is less pickle juice, less time at Iggy's and more time practicing.

  • MAFU Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    In the future don't do the following:

    1) Hire a publicist as a senior in HS.
    2) Make your college selection at a sports bar.
    3) State your intentions of not wanting to render volunteer service to your church.
    4) Forcast ten wins instead of one.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:36 a.m.


    Any realist BYU fan could see that this was going to be a rebuilding year. Not only was BYU replacing the key starting QB, but the Cougars were also replacing almost all of their skill position offensive players and most of their front seven defensive players. Lots of young, inexperienced talent, with lots of potential, but needing time and game experience to develop.

    Adding to that challenge was a very difficult opening schedule that would have tested even last year's senior laden team.

    2-2 would have been a good start, but 1-3 is not the end of the world.

    The schedule gets much easier except for TCU and Utah.

    I understand Bronco wanting to preserve the culture of the BYU program by making players earn their starting positions, but when it became clear that Jake was the more talented QB, Heaps should have been named starter, with a wildcat option designed for Riley.

    If Heaps had been named the starter during fall camp, The Cougars would have had 6-8 weeks to work out the timing issues that are now plaguing the passing game.

    Have patience that this year we're laying the groundwork for future success.

  • TJ2407 Springville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:38 a.m.

    I understand that his passing yards of 229 are solid. but had his way with the defense? Good for him for not throwing an interception but he also had a goose egg in the TD column. I really do not care how many yards a QB throws for if he fails to throw a touchdown. Who cares about yards just get the ball in the end zone!!!

  • TheSpiker Alpine, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:55 a.m.

    It is time for some of you to chill out.

    Jake is a 19 years old freshman and has stepped in to QB a team that lost virtually every offensive contributor from last year. And you people are whining that he isn't an All American yet?

    Jake has the equivalence of 2 1/2 games of playing time having shared the duties in the spring and fall camps, and playing the 4th toughest schedule in the nation. But he isn't in the top of the rankings yet? Shock, horror, dismay!

    His parents hired a publicist! How can this be? He has spent his life being groomed to be a QB! How terrible! Let's criticize his family from our comfy anonymous couches. How brave you are!

    Infidel06. Do you really contend that we are having a "dismal" start to the season because we DIDN'T redshirt Jake? Where would we be if he had redshirted? I attended many practices. In my not so humble opinion Jake was the only QB we had. Lark/Munns both back from missions were/are not ready. Biggest mistake, we misused an athletic Nelson.

    The sky is not falling. Better days are ahead.

  • JJ Morales Earlimart, CA
    Sept. 28, 2010 10:01 a.m.

    Come on- after one start? Scrutiny is something the media is driving. We all know that Jake will be great. Just give him a few starts. I predict by the end of the year he will be better than jordan wynn.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    TJ2407--
    Exactly, he was solid between the 20's, but the passes he missed were in critical situations and cost the cougars points... But that's where this experience will help. Hopefully in the next couple games he can gain more confidence in himself and his receivers so they can find the end zone in tough games instead of losing with just field goals from our offense.

  • Bugoff Houston, TX
    Sept. 28, 2010 10:12 a.m.

    It is time to move past Nelson. The coaches decided in the Spring to go with 2 QBs (Bronco Interview). Maybe for cultural reasons. They knew Nelson could not throw and this style did not fit and he would get injured.

    They spent all summer preparing for 2 QBs (Bronco Interview). They put a few special plays in for Nelson. BUT they rotated QBs. I watched UAB run 2 QBs very effectively but their running QB came in for special situations and was a clear back up. Bronco/Doman rotated co QBs. Bad mistake in hindsight.

    They got Heaps game experience with the 2 QB system or things would be a lot worse.

    After the sacks of the FSU game Heaps has good reason to be jumpy. He is being very conservative with his throws. He has only one INT.

    The pass percentage will go up as
    1. the receivers run consistent routes.
    2. He gets pass protection.
    3. He gets confidence in key receiver's ability to make plays.

    Look for Hoffman to get more throws. Heaps is learning Hoffman will go after what ever comes his way.

    He needs a TE and the FB for short yards.

  • Golfhack20 West Jordan, Ut
    Sept. 28, 2010 10:23 a.m.

    One of the drawbacks with College Football is now so much is expected and coaches don't have much time to rebuild or reload programs. The fans and media expect to win now. BYU has been fortunate to not loose many Asst. Coaches to other programs, but some times change is good. Good luck BYU and Utah....

  • Crispy Lips Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 10:38 a.m.

    Coach Brocno would give his right arm if he could trade Heaps for Jordan Wynn.

  • "Stalwart" North Salt Lake, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    Leadership: This may be what's hurting the most for the Cougar offense. Heaps is confident, but is he the offensive leader? I don't think so. Unga's experience and talent is severely missed. Maybe Reynolds/Jacobsen can step up and fill the void. I think it has to be someone besides the true freshman. I won't give up on the team, but I'm not sure they win this Friday. Hoping for the best.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:03 a.m.

    Meanwhile the Utes kick back with a perfect 4-0 record and 13th national ranking.

    And

    Have two QB’s that could easily start at the tds,
    Have two RB’s that would easily start at the tds
    Have a league leading Defense that utilizes 12 D-line each game. (any could start at the tds)
    Have an Offense that has scored 112 points in the last two games.
    Have a Defense that has given up only 13 points in the last two games.
    Have a “Coach of the year” winner in KWhitt.
    Have the longest bowl winning record in the Nation.
    Have the second longest home winning record in the Nation.

    Oh and my favorite, The last team to beat 1# ranked Alabama

  • byu_num_1 Holladay, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:10 a.m.

    Adjustments:

    Can BYU make any offensive adjustments?

    3 Total points in the last 3 games in the second half.
    That is right, they are averaging 1 point in the last 3 games in the second half.

    The defenses they have been playing aren't exactly great either. Nevada gave up 24 points to Eastern Washington, byu only scored 13 (the TD was off a fumble in the redzone and one FG was when Nevada was stopped on 4th down in their own territory).

    Sorry Heaps, but I think it should be Lark's turn to take over, see what he can do, he couldn't do any worse.

  • CT98 Saint George, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:21 a.m.

    Can anybody tell me what happened to McKay Jacobsen. I haven't seen him play this year. I've noticed some guy out on the field with the name Jacobsen on the back of his jersey but I swear its not the same guy.

    Anybody???

  • fender Washington, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:26 a.m.

    Bugoff

    "BYU could spread the field..."

    With due respect where do you get the idea that BYU does NOT spread the field? Sure, they like to use a tight end and a power back (when they have one), but that does not mean they don't spread the field. Using spread formations with wide splits has always been their thing. Also curious how you are able to make judgments about routes you can't possibly evaluate withhout coaches' films.

    Folks you can't blame Anae for Heaps' progression reads. Highly unlikely that Anae tells Heaps not to bother making a read and just throw over the top. The scouting reports on Heaps are that he likes to gamble and throw deep. Nevada's secondary took away his deep routes and he threw them anyway. That's just selfish play and one of the reasons BYU's offense has been unproductive.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:27 a.m.

    "Meanwhile the Utes kick back with a perfect 4-0 record and 13th national ranking..."

    And the Utes will be lucky to crack the Top 10 even if they go 7-0 before starting their losing streak at Air Force.

    BYU's scout team could have gone 7-0 playing Utah's opening schedule.

    Watch for the Utes to drop in the polls after playing BYE this week.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    Interesting these Wynn Heaps comparisons, if my memory is correct Wynn was not in a game at this point in his freshmen season. It would be interesting to see how good Wynn, Ponder, Jefferson, Locker, etc. would be with this very poor, limited skilled, and inexperienced offense the Y has this year. The only real criticism has to be how do you manage your team so that more than 50 percent of the players participating this year are underclassmen and many are true freshman. Ask any coach anywhere and they will tell you that this is a situation no matter the level of talent that makes for lots of losses. Really, this year is like a new coach coming in that needs time for his players to mature to get the program successful again. The U has managed it much better in having quality players with game experience to come in as stalwarts leave, and then have talented underclassman to compete and push the first unit. It is obvious that the Y's recruiting challenges-missions and honor code are difficult, needs to be managed better, and the person that needs scrutiny for this is the head coach.

  • The Beagle Ogden, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:30 a.m.

    I don't know why Heaps thinks he had his way with the Nevada defense. He continually overthrew the deep pass and usually out of bounds too, His passing yardage was padded by DiLuigi's running after the short catch and a final drive after the game was already over. This kids has tons of talent but needs a seriuos dose of humble pie.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:51 a.m.

    OK

    First, everyone was whining that Riley was even in the mix and Jake didn't get thrown into the fire right away. Now, many posters are whining that Jake was ever in the mix and Riley didn't have the job right away.

    It's like reading a script of Friday Night Lights on these posts sometimes. No matter what, no one is happy with what the Coaches are doing and everybody seems to think they could do better.

    And CWEB, I remember "fans" saying the same exact things about Norm Chow as they are now about Anae. The more things change, huh?

    Jake will come along. He's young. He's inexperienced. Go back and watch some of the first games of QBs we now consider as our legends. We need to give the boy a chance.

  • MESOUTE Albany, NY
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:56 a.m.

    Why is everyone so upset? This is one of the best months to begin college football that I can remember. Too much negativity in here. Breathe, smile, and laugh.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Sept. 28, 2010 12:03 p.m.


    "And the Utes will be lucky to crack the Top 10 even if they go 7-0 before starting their losing streak at Air Force"

    Truth Machine,

    As a “truth machine” you must also realize just how truthfully sad your statement is. If the only smack a tds fan can come with is when the Utes will “crack the top 10” - when your team is not even close to sniffing the rankings ( maybe 107th ?).

    The Utes will handle AF because they have a defense. The Utes have a chance against TCU because it’s in the RES.

    The Utes have at least 50% chance of going undefeated and reaching a BCS bowl game this year. The tds have a 50% chance of losing the remainder of its games this year and attending a great fireside.

    This is simply the “truth”.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Sept. 28, 2010 12:43 p.m.

    @ Hedgehog:

    I like Coach Whittingham. He's one of our former players after all. And I LOVE to see you rooting for a Cougar!

    Good luck to the Utes. They are my second favorite team and I wish our boy, Kyle, much success with his football team.

    By the way, being all the way in Michigan, why haven't you gotten over your fixation with us? You can't go a day without catching up with the Cougars. It's fans like you, as well as fans like me, who facilitated our ESPN deal. Thanks!

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 28, 2010 1:01 p.m.

    Try #2 since my 1st "scrutiny" was censored...


    "Somebody tell me the percentage success rate of those fade routes BYU called for Heaps in the blue zone against Nevada with football teams in general." - DH


    Speaking of scrutiny, what is a blue zone? Is Dick Harmon a sports writer or is he a PR man for BYU?


    As far as Heaps goes he's young and needs time. He looks like a decent QB but so far seems to be over hyped in the preseason.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Sept. 28, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    @Hot Tub "Truth" Machine

    Should you be complaining about Utah's SOS considering this years BYU's scout team could have gone 12-0 playing BYU's 1984 schedule?


    I wouldn't worry to much about Heaps, he's young and will improve. I would be worried about BYUs defense that has been torched in 6 games in less than 3 seasons.




  • hoopmom44 Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:00 p.m.

    Hedgehog, remind me again who the Utes have played so far this year? Hmm, not a single team with a winning record. I just hope that BYU fans have a lot more class than these Ute posters who are so good at kicking a dog when it is down, when Utah loses to Air Force and TCU, for starters, then goes on to the PAC 12 and has a .500 season at best. In reference to Jake Heaps, the media crowned him the #1 QB prospect in the country, not him or his parents. Give the kid a break. How quickly people who have never played a down of college football pounce on those who are out there busting their butts every day in practice and during games. Do you not already think these guys are struggling. They don't need complete morons to point out their weaknesses. It's a good thing the BYU coaches and players never read this crap, so proceed with the criticism because it falls on deaf ears...they are too busy PLAYING while the rest of you only wish you had/could.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Should you be complaining about Utah's SOS considering this years BYU's scout team could have gone 12-0 playing BYU's 1984 schedule?"

    The reality is:

    BYU's 1984 schedule was good enough for BYU to win a national championship.

    Utah's 2010 schedule isn't good enough to even get the Utes into the national championship discussion.

    Ironically, BYU going 10-2 and finishing the regular season in the Top 25 would have done far more for Utah's BCS championship game chances than Utah going 7-0 against the worst opening schedule in the country.



  • Samwise Hobbiton, The Shire
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:14 p.m.

    I have seen enough small (albeit very small) sparks of good things from this team so far to think that next year and beyond BYU should be able to be pretty much back to normal. I think, in time, Heaps will be a good QB and the rest of the team shows promise. Unfortunately BYU and its fans (such as me) have to endure through this sub par season. But I am nearly 100% certain I am correct when I say real BYU football WILL be back next year.

  • TAGZZ SLC, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    Coming from a Ute fan, I think Heaps is "Legit" and a stud... If the team could get somebody to catch the ball and not put all of the load on Heaps shoulders they could be tougher... Good Luck at Utah State!! It will take time to get back to where you were... Best of Luck from this Ute Fan!!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:22 p.m.

    Heaps will be fine. I am more concerned with who is going to step up and play tight end. I liked Hoffman at wide receiver, hope to see more of him.

  • Idaho Coug Meridian, Idaho
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:40 p.m.

    This season is about watching and supporting these young kids as they learn, grow and gell as a team. The process will continue into spring and through next fall camp. It would be fantastic if somehow a bowl game allows that progress to accelerate with the added practices. But at this point, I am ok if we end up with 4 wins as long as there is consisten improvement and effort.

    Like many fans, I have offered my share of criticism for this two-QB debacle. And I believe it was a mistake. But now it is time to look to the future and we have a nice future in place. It is just very young and inexperienced. I really look for this team to be excellent by next September. This is a time that the team needs more support than ever.

    And I can't wait to see how Timo fits with this team once he returns from his mission. WR, Safety, RB? He is probably one of the best athletes we have ever signed and he will only add to the mix of these talented young kids.

    Go Cougs!!

  • ChuckyZ Sherwood, OR
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    No second-guessing from me. By now, you have been waiting for my comments for a few day. Sorry for the delay. I hope you are not holding your breath.

    Some of you keep saying the obvious-this is old, rehashed information. Tell us please something that is new.

    Utah is a great team this year. BYU is not a great team this year. Both have great people on the team including the coaches. There is a huge reason why some of you have never been asked to be a coach of anything.

    Utah has a better qb than BYU has right now. So? Your point? Go ahead, tell us a thousand more times.

    Albany is right. What some great teams to watch. Every Saturday is awesome. People still go to the games--one never knows if history will be made. Who cares is either team has a dismal season when watching football games is so much fun.

    Sorry it took me so long to set everything straight with everyone.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:49 p.m.

    CWEB (Orem, UT) "Your title sounds very negative. I've not heard one fan near me at the game criticize or scrutinize Heaps--only coaches and calls."

    sports fan (Provo, UT) "This is called scrutiny, Jake. It's an art the second-guessers associated with BYU football have made an art form." One of the most poorly written, repetitive statements i have ever seen in the printed word.

    I agree with both comments. Not one of your better pieces, Dick. I view this article as nothing more than "stirring the pot." You know better, Dick. It's not all on the QB's plate, which is what your article alludes to.

    I've NEVER read a similar article about Anae. Let's some some indepth investigative reporting on his diminishing offensive approach. His offensive game plan for Heaps against Nevada was REDICULOUS! Nice 4th and 4 run! Then you can write a critical article on the defensive front 7, which is rediculously bad.

    Let's face it, BYU is, by far, a much younger team,especially in the skilled positions, than it's been in years (thank, Harvey!). Here's to a Cougs vistory Fri. night!


  • Urpo Sherwood, OR
    Sept. 28, 2010 2:54 p.m.

    Wow ChuckyZ, you are right on. I can't wait for your next report. We must be neighbors.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 3:03 p.m.

    @Uteology, Hedgehog,

    Why are all of your posts just the same post, over and over, everyday?

    How about mixing in a little bit of new material once in awhile?

  • SJ Bobkins Gilbert, AZ
    Sept. 28, 2010 3:12 p.m.

    Keep in mind that John Beck gave away a home game with Stanford by tossing a boneheaded 4th quarter int and it wasn't until his Soph year, mid-season, where he brought BYU back to win at New Mexico, the week after a horrible outing at San Diego.
    I don't think Jake will need 1 1/2 seasons to get it right. He can handle the pressure, any team he was going to sign with would also be loading on the pressure. If you're a winning program the fans, and players expectations are very high, and that means pressure. Only a select few have won more games than BYU did in the previous three seasons and one of them wasn't the yutz.
    One could go to Logan where few really care about the 7-11 losses per year. Jake will be fine, I'm more concerned with the coaching staff and their lack of judgement and mental lapses.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 3:40 p.m.

    re: cweb

    We had one his name was Norm Chow remember. That is as Edwards-esuqe as it gets, and he was run out of town.

    You are wrong I was not screaming for a freshman, nor this bizarre QB duo thing that set Riley up as the Bronco scapegoat, fall guy, or whatever you want to call it.

    This team has been sold two bill of goods,the first is, be the honorable and upstanding man and you will have a place here, and two, don't be an upstanding honorable man and your place is to START here.

    The blatant lack of firer and passion that is so glaring on this years team has its roots a lack of fallow through and the keeping of ones word.

    These players are not all young impressionable 18 year olds, they are 24, 25 years of age, some even older, married some with children yes men being led by a hyped up 18 year old boy.

    Wrubell wrote another article about the lack of energy, missing passion in this years squad, perhaps this is a the root. I am just sayin.

    "POLY" Cougar Nation


  • Jeff R. Sheridan, WY
    Sept. 28, 2010 3:41 p.m.

    Whatever expectations you all had for Heaps.... just through them out the window and let the kid grow and mature. He has had some growing pains but alot of flashes of greatness. Every BYU fan knew that this was a rebuilding year, so dont set the bar to high you will jus disappoint yourselves. Yes, and congrats are in order for the Utes, they are 4-0 and are ranked 13th. The game to watch will be when TCU comes to SLC. Stay the course all you True Blue fans, we will get our day in the spotlight when all these young and talented players mature. We have alot of great players on missions right now that will come back next year and it will be a 10+ win season and a trip to the a better bowl than the LV Bowl or the New Mexico bowl (thats the one we will all be at this year!) A good and solid prediction will be a 7-5 season, a disappointment compared to the last 3 seasons, but a good season when you take into account the personnel loses. Looke for a 14+ point when against USU this Friday!

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 3:45 p.m.

    Make no doubt, Heaps looks the part of a top NCAA QB....but he has a long way to go before we compare him to the likes of McMahon or Young. He looks more like Wynn throwing the ball out of bounds far over the heads of his intended recievers.....but I will give him the benefit of the doubt? He looks every bit as good as any QB Utah has produced..he just has some work to do before he is going to be compared to the elite of BYU!

  • Gracious George West Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 28, 2010 4:08 p.m.

    I guess Jake Heaps is having a little trouble standing the pressure of BYU, eh?

    Maybe he should transfer to Weber State, or maybe Southern Utah. He would be the best quarterback in the league, more than likely, and would begin dominating the league from the beginning.

    Or if he wants to go back to the cush job of being a backup or third-string, he can just transfer to Utah.

    In two or three years from now he'll get the starting job there and do to BYU what Ben Olson got to do to them at UCLA.

    If he wanted to be part of a winning team(a real winning team, not that fake one down south), he would have played at Utah.

    If he wanted a real shot at being a BCS buster and winner, at playing in a conference with some real competition, where he would have been able to get the exposure he wanted in the PAC-12, he would have come to Utah.

    Instead, he'll get to reign on third-tier ESPN channels and BYU-TV, the absolute joke of football networks.

    Have (no) fun.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Sept. 28, 2010 4:17 p.m.

    @hedgehog 11:03am

    And you forgot one thing:

    The Cougars have whipped the utes 3 of the last 4.

  • BluCoug Provo, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 4:39 p.m.

    @ hedgehog

    Not to mention the utes have the weakest schedule in the country. Which explains why the utes are 4-0.

  • nehu Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 4:42 p.m.

    RE: Hedgehog

    Funny what happens when you are living right on and off the field:) Tongue in cheek.

    I'm liking the Utes chance.

    Cougars need to turn it around.

  • Big Hapa Kaysville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    RE: GG Love at home, there is joy in every sound when there's love at home.

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder GG, in the eye of the beholder.

    The true narcissistic skeptic really needs to come out of its shell GG, just let it go you will feel much better.

    Yes sir you sure know how to beat up on others with your slashing / cutting whit and your scathing diatribe.

    Please, go be angry and bizarre in a less public setting. It is far less embarrassing.

  • Dave from Taylorsville Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 4:51 p.m.

    Gracious George | 4:08 p.m. Sept. 28, 2010
    West Jordan, Utah

    So, if BYU wins a game it's a joke, but if the Utes win a game it's pure heaven?

    Have fun in the PAC Whatever # They Come Up With, playing the likes of Washington State, Cal and the other bottom feeders.

    And stop drinking so much of the red coolaid.

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 4:55 p.m.

    Dear Big Hapa and Fresno Girl,

    1. BYU Administration ran Norm Chow out of town. Period.

    2. Robert Anae is no Norm Chow. Robert Anae couldn't fight his way into a first down.

    3. Robert Anae has been riding the coat tails of John Beck and Max Hall.

    4. Bring Norm Chow and all his attitude and anger back to Provo!

  • Aggie Fan Taylorsville, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:21 p.m.

    Jake Heaps is OVERRATED and has been since he signed. As for Jordan Wynn, he isn't much better. It isn't fair to judge Heaps after 1 game. However he is the one who put all the pressure on his own shoulders acting like he was going to the NFL out of high school. He acted like he was Labron James coming out with the whole press conference thing. I wish BYU luck on his progression, I don't think he will be an elite QB for the Y however. As far as the U goes, they aren't in that much safer hands with Wynn either. The U has so much talent, they are able to bail him out from looking too bad.

    Go Aggies!

  • OlpuebloguyInWyo Evanston, WY
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:31 p.m.

    Hey Jake....Hey Jake. You are doing just fine. Give yourself time. Always strive to do better each week. You will be just fine. For all the naysayers ..... wait until next year, and the next and the next (unless he pulls-out and goes pro early barring injuries, etc.) year. He will be one of the all-time best QB's at BYU and will get All-American status. Bronco's 1st at the position. Everything will start to jell this year and get better. This I am sure of. Give us a good game at USU. I will be there and it will be well worth it for my travels from Wyoming.

  • Smurf Turf Boise, ID
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:32 p.m.

    Jordan Wynn is the best quarterback in the MWC after Dalton of TCU. Jake Heap's stats are horrible (112th quarterback rating). Jake Heap needs alot of improvement to even be considered an average quarterback. I have been very impressed with Jordan Wynn's poise, accuracy and stats. However, if you really want to see the best quarterback in the country, just watch Boise, baby!

    Go Boise Blue!!

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 6:44 p.m.


    Jake Heaps has the potential to be one of the best QBs ever to play for BYU, and that's saying alot!

    The fact that as a true freshman in only his fourth game with the program he's already starting and being scrutinized shows just how good he already is.

    The naysayers will squawk because Jake is surrounded by so many other young players and he's not putting up gaudy numbers, yet, but the naysayers will be proven wrong before Jake has finished his career at BYU.

    Most of these same naysayers were convinced that Collie wasn't fast enough or good enough to play in the NFL.

    Good luck against the Aggies Jake and company.

    Go Cougars!


  • bballjunkie Cedar Hills, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 7:08 p.m.

    The key is for BYU in the past is the TE. We need one to step up for this offense to be what everyone wants. The recievers are not helping the situation out at all either..catch the ball please. Heaps is the man and will continue to get better and better, then we can listen to everyone say the new it all along that he was this good.

  • Mickey Houston, TX
    Sept. 28, 2010 7:53 p.m.

    Look I am a Cougar fan, but most of my fellow Cougar fans sound ridiculous (the right way to spell that word). Tell me what flashes of brilliance has Jake Heaps shown? Why are you believers? What one single thing has he done in a game that made you sit up and say...now that guy's going to be All American? I can't think of one thing, just flashes of mediocrity intermingled with a lot of poor playing. "He has the potential to be one of the best QB's ever to play for BYU..." Says who? Says the media who labeled him as the #1 QB prospect? Didn't they say that about Ben Olsen and he sure turned out to be special didn't he? Look at all the former #1 NFL draft pick busts. Let's be realistic here and stop making outrageous claims about what he can become until he actually shows us something.

  • deibu Roseburg, OR
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:03 p.m.

    The answer to the question is ZERO. But did Jake Heaps make all those fade route calls? Or did the coaches "see something they thought they could take advantage of". I for one am not scrutinizing the QB as much as those calling his plays. High percentage passes and confidence in his receivers are the secrets to expedited maturity for Mr. Heaps. Rise and shout!

  • oldtimeftballer Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:17 p.m.

    Over hyped.

    He is not ready.

    He isnt better than dozens of other Freshman.

    He missed easy throws. The mental part he will and he will also adjust to the game speed.

    But poor throws and no touch lead to incompletions.

    Over hyped.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 9:51 p.m.

    I went back and rewatched the game, Jake made some very nice throws. He also missed on some throws and he was victimized by some drops (5 that I counted and one for sure would of gone for a TD to Ashworth). He had another throw into the corner of the endzone where DiLuigi caught it but was ruled out of bounds. However it was very close as his foot may or may not of grazed the white line I really couldn't tell for sure on the replay. His reads were very good for the most part, he didnt force the ball into coverage and usually found the open reciever. He needs to work on his touch a bit especially when rolling to his right and throwing on the run, he missed Jacobsen wide open, the ball sailed away and wasnt anywhere close to Jacobson. There were other missed throws that were simply due to timing and not being on the same page as the receivers. Overall, Jake was pretty solid, especially in the second half, several times he lead the offense into the blue zone, they just have to do a better job of finishing drives.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Sept. 28, 2010 11:57 p.m.


    What the naysayers are really revealing with their critiques of Jake is just how little they really understand about football.

    Harsh, but true!

    I've seen every BYU quarterback play since Gary Shiede and Jake Heaps is the real deal.

    He's got the arm, the footwork, the football IQ, the leadership ability, and the confidence (some may call it cockiness) to be a great quarterback.

    He just needs some polishing; learning to read defenses; and developing timing with his receivers.

    He reminds me alot of a young Jim McMahon when Jim was competing with Marc Wilson for playing time.

  • TJ2407 Springville, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 4:49 a.m.

    A couple of thoughts I had while reading this.

    1st: Utah has not had a strong schedule but 2 of the games are not their fault. UNLV and UNM are conference games. BYU will play them so foget those 2 because the scedule is a wash. Air Force is a wash as well. So really you can only compare the other games. Lets just compare non conference schedules. Right now BYU's looks tougher. I think Pitt and ND will be better at year end but though.

    2nd: Althought Utah has not played too tought of teams they are completely dominating them. Not just winning but Dominating so give them some style points. They deserve it.

    3rd: From what I remember Sims who is not at Alabama was ranked #1 QB in high school last year by ESPN U and Heaps was not in the top 5. Who ranked him #1? I remember hearing names like Sims and Montana but not Heaps. Who had him as #1? and he was not invited to the Under Armor game was he? I don't remember seeing his name. I just looked on ESPN. Heaps was the #7 QB not #1

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    1. The only meaningful comparison is games played to date. How good or bad future opponents might be is irrelevent. To date Utah has played the 112th worst schedule; BYU has played the 4th toughest schedule.

    2. Completely dominating weak competition is a weak argument. How many times have we heard Utah fans claim that a win is a win after squeaking by a weak New Mexico or Colorado State team?

    3. Jake was rated the #1 QB prospect in the country by several scouting services at the time he announced his decision to sign with BYU. It's well documented in dozens of previously published stories; take some time to look it up.

    4. Jake was voted the outstanding QB at an elite QB camp last summer that included most of the top high school QBs. Again, it's well documented in several of previously published stories; take some time to look it up.

    5. If all you remember is Sims and Montana, then obviously you've been living in a cave somewhere or not paying any attention because Jake has been one of the most talked about high school QBs for the last couple of years.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    Rivals has Jordan Wynn ranked as the 23rd best quarterback in the nation this week on their power rankings. I only see upside for Jordan Wynn this year. Seriously expect Jordan Wynn to be in the top 10 best quarterbacks this year in the quarterback rankings. Not too bad for a sophomore. Top 10 is much better than 112th.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Sept. 29, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    *yawn* spury

    At this point in his freshman year, Jordan Wynn hadn't played a single game, so his passing efficiency rating was 0.00.

    A 91.79 rating dwarfs a 0.00 rating!

    Jordan didn't play until the 8th game of his freshman year, starting against lowly Wyoming. Jordan was 9 of 14, 82 yds, 1 TD for a 137.06 rating.

    Against TCU, Wynn's rating was 111.55.
    Against BYU, Wynn's rating was 86.91.

    Heaps' started his first game against a Top 25 team in the fourth game of his freshman year. He was 24 of 45, 229 yds, 0 TD for a 96.08 rating.

    We'll see how Jake is doing by the 8th game of his freshman year and how he plays against teams like New Mexico, Wyoming and Colorado State, then we'll have some apples to apples comparisons of Heaps and Wynn.

    Until then, comparing a true freshman who has played barely two games total and only started one game, to a sophomore who started 6 games last season and two games this season, is a silly comparison.

  • Fiddler Orem, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 11:40 a.m.

    You're right, QB at BYU is the most monitered athlete in the state and it isn't even close. Keep the development going Jake, we'll start getting some of these games!!!

  • Fiddler Orem, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 11:54 a.m.

    Fresno Girl is correct, any time Utah does well, its that much better for BYU seeing as how we have about half of their coaching staff from BYU. As someone from that area, any time Utah has done something good, I've received compliments about their staff and how they're from BYU.

  • --JEFFE-- Cedar City, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 12:37 p.m.

    Seriously? what is wrong with you so called BYU fans?
    You should be ashamed of yourselves.

    Since he arrived on campus Jake Heaps has been splitting reps, and began the season rotating series in games. This stunted his growth as a QB and is directly responsible for the poor offensive showing in the first 4 games of the season. (Which is also the #4 toughest schedule in college football at this point) But this offense has had to constantly adjust and readjust to two different types of QB's and essentially two different styles of offense.

    After ONE WEEK of having the full control of the offense and having the opportunity to receive all the reps and all the focus. You are calling Jake over-hyped and "not as advertised" because he is not the best QB in the country yet? PATHETIC!
    --Look at Landry Jones and OU last season. Losing their starting, Heisman trophy winning QB to injury, then going 7-5 with an undeveloped freshman.--

    Give Jake and the offense some time. They are very young and have a lot of growing and developing to do. Being patient will pay off... Mark it down.

  • jake heaps = ben olson Ottawa, ON
    Sept. 29, 2010 12:40 p.m.

    Most HB could have thrown it and hit wide open receivers vs Nevada.

    Eastern Washington scored 3 TDs vs Nevada and BYU's only TD came off of a turnover in the red zone.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 1:14 p.m.

    I don't know why it really upsets many byu fans that Jordan Wynn is ranked as one of the best college quarterbacks in the nation right now, and he is only a sophomore. The future is red, crimson red.

    As far as Jake Heaps, he might be an okay quarterback by his junior or senior year if he keeps on improving. He will in all likelihood, never be ranked as one of the best college quarterbacks like Jordan Wynn is right now.

  • yankee doodle Layton, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 2:12 p.m.

    @Otis Spurlock
    aha aha haaha hahahaha, that really made me laugh, Wynnie has played in two games against pitiful opponents he hasn't proven one thing yet this year, If he is rated in the top ten on rivals after playing real opponents next month I will buy his jersey and grow a 12 yr olds mustache. Not a chance he does as well against TCU's defense or Air Force. Heaps will look 20 times better as a sophmore than Wynnie will ever muster this year, you can mark it down Utesies.

  • yankee doodle Layton, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 2:25 p.m.

    @PAC man
    Very very well said!!!! And the Ute fans were also spouting off about how Cain had the highest QB rating in the nation two weeks ago. What was his rating last week again? The only reason the Utes won the Pitt game was because(they are overrated obviously) and their QB was starting his first game on the road and they call a pass play for him in OT, stupid decision by the coaches and what else would the kid have done with that much pressure.
    The Utesies have two mediocre QB's and a patsy schedule so far. That is a fact.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 29, 2010 2:29 p.m.

    Otis S

    Lots of hot air, but the truth is, Wynn isn't even on the list, is he?

    To be included on the list of national passing leaders, a player must have at least 14 attempts per team's games played.

    Wynn hasn't thrown enough passes to qualify, has he?

    Get back to us when Wynn has played enough to qualify, otherwise, stop boring us with your meaningless predictions and speculation.

    Two games, which is the equivalent of what Wynn and Heaps have played so far this season, isn't close to enough information to make any valid comparison or prediction.

  • Juice Lindon, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 2:32 p.m.

    I really can't believe some people are really trying to compare Jordan Wynn and Jake Heaps. That would be like trying to compare a 1973 Gremlin with a 2010 Porsche 911. The college football experts and analyists believe that Jordan Wynn is among the best college football quarterbacks in the nation right now (See rankings for Rivals, Yahoo, CBS, etc). Jake Heaps is currently ranked 112th. Jordan Wynn will only continue to get better and better. He will be a top 10 quarterback by year's end.

  • Juice Lindon, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 2:46 p.m.

    mussingaround,

    Yes, Wynn is currently ranked 23rd. Go to Rivals Quarterback Rankings. Wynn was actually 19th in the nation after the PITT game, but dropped a few spots because of missing two games. Don't worry though, Wynn will be in the top ten shortly.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    Sept. 29, 2010 3:09 p.m.


    Jordan Wynn = 1973 Gremlin (operating a full speed)

    Jake Heaps = Bugati Veyron (just getting warmed up)

    By mid-season, Heaps will be pulling even with Wynn. By next season, Wynn will be but a tiny image in Heaps rearview mirror.

  • BoiseSuperBlue Boise, ID
    Sept. 29, 2010 3:14 p.m.

    Juice, Otis, mussing,

    Just checked out Rival's Quarterback Rankings, it is very interesting. I agree with the top 10 quarterbacks, but Rivals has Jordan Wynn ranked above Wisconsin's Scott Tolzien. I would probably reverse positions and place Jordan Wynn at 24th and Tolzien at 23rd. Tolzien will be playing in the NFL shortly. I loved Kellen Moore's ranking and agree with it 100%. He will also be playing in the NFL shortly.

  • Dannysaur Lansing, MI
    Sept. 29, 2010 5:55 p.m.

    Gracious George,

    "If he wanted to be part of a winning team(a real winning team, not that fake one down south), he would have played at Utah.

    If he wanted a real shot at being a BCS buster and winner, at playing in a conference with some real competition, where he would have been able to get the exposure he wanted in the PAC-12, he would have come to Utah.

    Instead, he'll get to reign on third-tier ESPN channels and BYU-TV, the absolute joke of football networks.

    Have (no) fun."


    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? This has to be one of the most ludicrous statements yet. If Jake Heaps' intentions were to only follow a team with high BCS expectations, membership in a large conference, and a chance at a national title, he most certainly WOULD NEVER CONSIDER UTAH.

    This young man could have gone to any Div I program, full-ride. If he were pursuing the things you mention, do you seriously think he would take Utah over Florida, Alabama, Oregon, USC, Texas, or any other big-name program? Give me a break. Utah will only get the Pac-10 scraps for recruiting.

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    Sept. 29, 2010 9:36 p.m.

    jake heaps = ben olson | 12:40 p.m. Sept. 29, 2010
    Ottawa, ON
    Most HB could have thrown it and hit wide open receivers vs Nevada.

    Eastern Washington scored 3 TDs vs Nevada and BYU's only TD came off of a turnover in the red zone.


    The turnover did not occur in the redzone, the ball was recovered at the nevada 36 yardline. Yes still a short field but not at or inside the nevada 20 like you are suggesting.

  • manaen Buena Park, CA
    Sept. 30, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    Funny how things work out -- I'm now glad that this year my Cougars are lost in the obscurity of the.mtn. There's no better place to hide.