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  • byronbca
    Sept. 15, 2010 4:50 p.m.

    This is a decent signing for the Jazz, somebody has to be the 13th man, but the less he plays the better off the Jazz will be. Fesenko right now is still by far the best option for the Jazz to back up Okur and Jefferson.

  • MenaceToSociety
    Sept. 15, 2010 5:23 p.m.

    You can't stop Francisco Elson, you can only hope to contain him.

  • Jazzsmack
    Sept. 15, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    Can you say Championship Baby!

    No?

    How about something like the last five years?

    Probably.


    I am not sure fesenko wants to come back, unless he has no bettter option.

    fesenko certianly is not getting the coaching and development he needs,

    the sloan has NEVER developled a single big men (or any player for that matter) to even competent levels,

    did ostertagg get better?
    did boozer?
    Has fesenko or koufos?
    Has AK, cj miles, or okur?

    is really fair to count lottery picks who are EXPECTED to be good?

    sloan has driven off more people, by his treatment and his system, than anyone.

    This year will be just more of he same as the last five.

  • cjm
    Sept. 15, 2010 6:33 p.m.

    the jazz for once have a true center in fes and they better not let him go

  • Silly Rabbit
    Sept. 15, 2010 6:38 p.m.

    Gee wiz Jazz Smack its not the coaches job to make a player better, its the players job to get better. Its a coaches job to teach the game and coach. Its like a teacher that teaches math its the student that either gets it or not.

  • Maverick
    Sept. 15, 2010 7:02 p.m.

    Signing of the year...way to go Jazz. Now sign Iverson and we'll be set!

  • billypenn
    Sept. 15, 2010 7:13 p.m.

    What is with this obsession with Fes the guy has not shown anything and you blinded fans think if he gets more minutes he is going to be a 20/10 guy. I just don't get your logic.

  • Bugoff
    Sept. 15, 2010 7:52 p.m.

    There are a lot of things the Jazz do that make no sense at all.

    This is a money move. 1/2 of his Vet salary will be paid by the league. He is no better than Fes or Koof. Except they could rebound. He is not noted for defense.

    This looks like another Collins move. Yes I realize he is the 13th man and hopefully he does not play much.

    Fes is likely to play for his qualifying offer this year and then go some place he can develop.

    I am completely unimpressed with the way the Jazz do not develop their young bigs. They are horrible in drafting bigs and worse at developing them.

    They could have had Amundson, Mahinmi, or even Earl Barron. But they sign Elson.

    I hope I am surprised by his contribution. At 34 why would he improve dramatically? Assuming Fes signs for the qualifying offer why do they need Elson?

    LA got Blake and Barnes. They are a lot better.

    Utah will be lucky to get a 4th seed.

  • LKA
    Sept. 15, 2010 8:15 p.m.

    Got a lot of honerey people out there tonight. It's a good thing we have you instead of the experts who are on the payroll..

  • Captain L
    Sept. 15, 2010 8:53 p.m.

    billypenn: It a matter of seeing his potential, Fes has the size, & athleticism to be a 10 / 10 player and be the defensive presence we need in the middle.
    If you can't see it, I guess you can't see potential.
    Fes didn't have a great summer with his NT but it was OK, he had a few good games towards the end of the summer and hopefully he can build on those.
    I would love for the Jazz to sign him for at least 2 yrs but I think they are going to hold out to the qualifying offer and wait and see how he performs.

  • Johnson72
    Sept. 15, 2010 9:01 p.m.

    Yeah like this is going to help the jazz, Does ot matter.. Go Lakers.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    Sept. 15, 2010 9:40 p.m.

    Well we needed another big man even if Fes does stay here so I think its a good signing.

    They already got Al Jefferson. What do you want them to do? I hope he can contribute consistently at least until Okur comes back. It looks like Jefferson is going to be playing a lot of C for at least the first half of the season.

    Lucky to get a 4 seed Bugoff??? Who else is better besides LA?? Maybe OKC but I see us being better than Denver, Phoenix, San Antonio, and Dallas. I can't wait to see Jefferson play in a Jazz uniform.

  • byronbca
    Sept. 15, 2010 10:04 p.m.

    Re Billypen:

    I've never read anything from any fan who thinks Fess can be a 20 10 guy. Many Fans, myself included, think that fess can give 15 minutes of solid defense and be an inside presence that the Jazz desperately need.

    If you can name 1 player on the market that the Jazz can afford that is a better shot blocking center and that has as much potential as Fess I'd love to hear it.

  • Bugoff
    Sept. 15, 2010 10:34 p.m.

    Kyle I wish you were right. You might eventually be right before the end of the season. I hope so.

    It will take until Christmas for Jefferson to actually make the adjustments that he needs to make on both offense and defense. That is assuming he actually makes those adjustments and also assumes he does not get hurt.

    AK always gets injured. It remains to be seen if the Jazz have enough outside shooting to open up the inside and keep it open.

    OKC is better. HOU is nearly as good as LA until Ming gets hurt. POR is better than the Jazz unless they get a major injury. DEN is better but who knows how they will play. DAL is better but Cuban keeps messing with them so they can not jell. SA could be better but they did not have the right chemistry last year. NO will be better than last year. PHO will play better than you think.

    After LA, there is going to be very little difference in the records of the next 8 or 9 teams.

    Utah is not going to get a fast start but they may be very good late.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    Sept. 15, 2010 11:15 p.m.

    I'm just optimistic. Boozer leaving and somehow getting Jefferson is awesome. I think Millsap and Kirilenko will both have great years. Neither is good enough to be THE guy in the post but both are great energy and movement off the ball players. The question is if we have the interior defense and rebounding, but we can't be worse than last year in that department. Don't underestimate how much Bell's leadership will help.

    SA- Duncan and Ginobili just get older and more injury prone.

    Hou- Yao Ming's career is almost over (I predict 30 games before he goes down). They are well coached but don't have the talent(Brad Miller and Kevin Martin aren't that good).

    Dallas- Kidd and Nowitzki are just getting older.

    Phoenix- Turkeyglue is a bonehead and Childress and Frye aren't that great. No D or rebounding from the Suns big men. Nash will help them win quite a few but they aren't better than the Jazz.

    NO- DWill owns NO. No way they are better than Jazz.

    Denver- Carmelo is a huge distraction and that team will self destruct.

    Portland- Injury prone and not that good.

  • Dave S
    Sept. 16, 2010 12:31 a.m.

    Decent pick up by the Jazz. For the life of me I don't understand the obsession some Jazz fans have with Fesenko. He has shown little to no improvement over the past three seasons and I personally don't think he has the heart of a champion either. I couldn't care less if he is re-signed or not.

  • Jazzman72
    Sept. 16, 2010 1:29 a.m.

    Elson is just insurance for now to see what happens with Fes and Memo. He will be another Collins type player.

  • Duh
    Sept. 16, 2010 6:09 a.m.

    Holy delusional. Some saying that Fes is becoming a true center? People saying Elson is a decent pick...any why? Because he is tall? The Jazz did nothing but pick up another below average player who will not help put the Jazz over the top. I agree with Jazzsmack and I will go even farther, I think the Jazz struggle to have a winning season. This in no way helps the Jazz improve.

  • 1tobeamup
    Sept. 16, 2010 7:24 a.m.


    We swap:
    AJ for Boozer
    Bell for Mathews
    Hayward for Korver
    Elson for Kofous

    I'm no expert but it looks to me like we got longer, more athletic, or more experienced with each swap. Looks pretty darn good to me!

  • Bugoff
    Sept. 16, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    I think Utah will rebound better than last year. Mainly because Millsap will get more minutes.

    When Memo gets back I expect him to play better inside. He modified his inside game to help Boozer. Once in a while you would see an aggressive inside game from Memo. Hopefully he has it by the playoffs.

    Jefferson rebounds well. I am more worried about defense and passing etc.

    Fes can be very useful on defense. Especially if he understands and learns the defense. His offensive game and FT shooting needs a lot of work.

    I think Fes would like to stay but his agent is making things hard.

  • Jazzman72
    Sept. 16, 2010 7:54 a.m.

    Elson is just insurance for now to see what happens with Fes and Memo. He will be another Collins type player.

  • Bugoff
    Sept. 16, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Fes shafted himself when he got the wrong agent.

    Most likely his agent has been threatening to send Fes to Europe unless the Jazz pony up.

    By signing Elson the Jazz called the bluff. Fes will sign for the qualifying offer (or near it) if he wants to play for the Jazz.

    You do not play hard ball with the Jazz when they are in the lux tax, you are not a Sloan pet, and you are slow to develop.

    Somebody gave Fes bad advice in selecting an agent who does not understand the Jazz or how to negotiate with them.

    The Mathews mess should have been a clear signal to Fes. Fes was clear about wanting to sign with the Jazz until his agent told him to shut up.

    In this case he could have saved the agent commission and just signed the QA.

  • John Wicks
    Sept. 16, 2010 8:37 a.m.

    Let Fes stay in Europe. He has wasted enough of the Jazz time and money. The plain truth-He is no good.

  • Jazz-Nation
    Sept. 16, 2010 9:02 a.m.

    The reason the Jazz are reluctant to sign Fesenko to a long term deal is because we have a stud in Europe by the name of Ante Tomic. Tomic is 7'2 and looks like a young P. Gasol. KOC knows what he is doing Jazz fans, have some faith. If Fes signs on and has a huge year, which he should because with Memo out he would get the chance to show what he can do and if he can be productive like 10-10, then he would earn himself a very nice NBA contract next year. Re-signing with the Jazz is Fesenko's best option right now. Elson was a good pick up too, the guy practiced against Tim Duncan everyday and won a ring with the Spurs. The Jazz will be a very good team this year, but I hope they can be GREAT!GO JAZZ!

  • dwillfan
    Sept. 16, 2010 9:23 a.m.

    elson? really? sure, he's just taking up space until memo's back, but there ARE so many other viable options.

    - rasho nesterovic (34, 255lb). experienced & proven veteran. smart ball player that has won a championship with the spurs. currently playing with greece.
    - dj mbenga is a 260 lb 7 footer with championship experience (lakers). this dude has my vote. he may cost a bit more, but he'd be worth it & might even start at c.
    - steven hunter is another 7 footer with slightly better stats than elson. plus, he's 6 years younger & i'm pretty sure he's a free agent.
    -jazz seem to like russian dudes, so, how about oleksiy pecherov. he's a 240 lb 7 footer and is only 24. currently playing for italy, but i'm sure he's not making too much there.
    - earl barron. 250 lb 7 footer. pretty good stats & is only 28.
    - heck, even chris hunter. he's a jefferson type player and is only 26.

  • Bugoff
    Sept. 16, 2010 9:44 a.m.

    DWill fan is right there were a lot better options. The Jazz were not able or did not want to pay the money. However, many of the above named players would cost about the same as Elson.

    The Elson signing makes little sense.

    No I do not buy the idea that KOC and Sloan actually do know what they are doing. They do pretty well but they do not produce even Western Championships.

  • Jazz-Nation
    Sept. 16, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    I like the Picture of Elson dunking on Dampier! Man hood in your face! You never saw Jerron Collins play like that! The Jazz still need one more big body, I hope it is Fesenko. I think the Jazz will bring in another shooter too. Maybe Morrison, Mobley, or find a diamond in yhe ruff in training camp. I am getting excited for Jazz basketball! GO JAZZ!!

  • Doug10
    Sept. 16, 2010 9:50 a.m.

    This does not help the Jazz unless it is a way to negotiate with Fes. This guy is window dressing.

    KOC be bold and trade AK for Carmello for this next season and you will see the Jazz compete.

    Jazz should have got T Mac as well, he would have helped more than this Collins clone

  • Jazz Source
    Sept. 16, 2010 9:58 a.m.

    re: JazzSmack

    The answer to your ignorant question regarding whether your list of Jazz players got better while they played for Sloan is a resounding YES!!

    Every single player got better statistically while they were here.

    Stockton and Malone could not have gotten to the NBA Finals without the enigma named Osterrag. Did he perform at his highest capacity all the time? No. Ostertag admitted that problem was him deciding not to work hard and it was NOT coaches.

    If you can't see the difference in CJ to when he was a highschool punk and what he did in last seasons playoffs???? You are blind!! I have been CJ's harshest critic but finally, on a big stage, CJ performed well in last years playoffs and if he starts this season at that level we are a better team from that alone.

    Those are just few examples.

    I could go on but its not necessary to further demonstrate your negative Sloan bashing comments are bogus.

    Try to contribute something factual and accurate vs. just your whining and complaining.

  • Large Tuna
    Sept. 16, 2010 10:12 a.m.

    Um, you all realize that you're arguing over the 12th and 13th players on the team, right? Neither of these two are going to help us improve substantially, its not worth arguing about. It's not like we traded boozer for elson, we picked him up because we can get him for the vet minimum, thats it. Everyone just calm down, its going to be ok...

  • Bugoff
    Sept. 16, 2010 10:16 a.m.

    The Rockets have offered Damp 2 mill a year for 2 years. He has interest from MIA, TOR and PHO.

    The Elson signing sends a message to Morey to not load a poison pill offer to Fes unless the Rockets really want to pay him.

    It may lower any offer the Rockets make by enough to make Fes reasonable enough for Utah to sign him.

    Elson can be traded as an expiring contract at the deadline if the Jazz find a trade they want or need.

    Nobody knows how well Memo will be playing or how well AJ adjusts or if there are additional injuries.

    Elson does not hurt but he is not likely to help much. Sloan may be forced to play him for significant minutes at some point and it would help if there were a more talented option.

  • Draft dumbie
    Sept. 16, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    I'm puzzled with Jazz logic in re-signing young players.

    The last 2-3 years, rather than locking Milsap and Matthews into reasonable contracts early on (which only the Jazz could do), they chose to use them cheap as long as possible and then gamble on free agency. The result--the Jazz are now overpaying Milsap and no longer have Matthews.

    Fesenko is begging the Jazz to sign him to a multi-year deal at the extremely reasonable price of $1-$1.5 mil. per year, but the Jazz would rather use him cheap this year, and gamble on whether he is going to get better before they sign him to a multi-year deal. However, if he gets better, he could easily receive a free agency offer of between $3-6 per year.

    Fesenko clearly serves a role on the Jazz with his size and athleticism, even if his skills do not improve markedly; any remotely competent backup center is worth $1-1.5 mil. per year (examples: Elson, Collins); and Fesenko is still very young with potential to improve markedly--so why not sign him to a long-term cheap deal while you still can?

  • davidutefan
    Sept. 16, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    How many teams, Besides Chicago with MJ, have won the title without a dominant center. The Jazz are perfectly content to just make the playoffs, lose in the first or second round, and pack it up for another year. I not, they would have make the trades or decisions necessary to aquire a center that's at least a solid presence in the post. The last halfway decent one they had was Eaton who, at least, was a solid defensive presence but, his 9 points a games sure made a difference right? just ask Stockton or Malone. I'm sure they'll show you their Championship rings to prove it. I used to drive down from Wyoming to watch them play now and then. Not anymore. Go San Antonio.

  • oldmanbball
    Sept. 16, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Fes has his offer on the table till Oct. 1. Why would he sign it before then. He's not going to get a big offer and the Jazz can match a reasonable offer so why offer more than needed to get him, he's not needed till the season starts so wait. We would have a hard time signing a better free agent center than Elson as there will be no playing time for them once Okur returns, better players would not sign on knowing that. While not exciting it all makes sense.

  • TerryHaimes
    Sept. 16, 2010 10:50 a.m.

    Looks like a squeeze on Fesenko to me. Also looks like the Jazz don't plan to match any offers to Fesenko.

    I believe the Jazz will compete for the title this year, but as in years past it appears they will be one player short. I'll be supprised if Fesenko wears a Jazz uniform for 2010/2011.

    Jazz don't intend to pay but 13 players. This lets them add a minimum wage player, possibly Evans and they are set until the injuries start. Okur will open on injured reserve, this gives more minutes for Millsaps and AK (which they need). Fesenko can take the qualifying offer, stay home or get an offer from somebody else. The Jazz are willing to play the hand they have but when crunch time comes and they need a 7 ft. 300 pounder, he probably won't be there.

  • Anonymous Infinity
    Sept. 16, 2010 11:20 a.m.

    It doesn't matter whether the Jazz resign Fesenko or not. He is irrelevant to how the Jazz can improve relative to regular season and the playoffs. Take a look around the league. The Jazz are maximized at approximately the number 16 (bearly making the playoffs). Come on....let's be real here. Jerry Sloan's detractors are in error on making players better. Let me tell you....the players themselves make their selves better. Aren't John Stockton and Karl Malone proof enough? Individual players know full well their own particular deficiencies in their play and the things they need to work on. If they don't improve them by actually WORKING on them before, during and after each season, they will continue to languish as a mediocre player. Some players cannot get better. Most players have a certain God given set of playing gifts; others have no real potential. Working hard on shooting, ball handling can help. One of the biggest shortcomings of most run of the mill NBA players besides lack of ability is the lack of motivation to GET IN PLAYING SHAPE. People like Stockton and Malone set the standard. It is a yearround issue.

  • Ravenal
    Sept. 16, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    WOW! I am impressed! No, not at the signing of Elson. He's just a 13th man on the roster and fouls to give. I'm impressed that we have so many people with head coach and NBA general manager experience commenting on this article. Why Sloan and O'Conner should both just quit and let Bugoff and Jazzsmack take their jobs. NOT!!!!!!

  • Hellooo
    Sept. 16, 2010 12:19 p.m.

    I don't think Elson is a 13th man, he will play especially at the beginning of the season. More experienced and better than anything the Jazz had last year at backup center. @doug10 I am sure if you can arrange that AK for Carmelo trade the Jazz will give you a great commission. BTW I have a bridge in Arizona that I am trying to sell would you help me with that too.

  • phnehme La Jolla, CA
    Sept. 16, 2010 1:24 p.m.

    I really don't see the problem, I think it's a great signing. Another big body to throw at Yao, Gasol, Oden, etc. He has playoff experience and played for Pop....he will be a contributor. Good move by our GM.

  • Sokol Las Vegas, NM
    Sept. 16, 2010 3:21 p.m.

    Was I not watching the Jazz the past two years and saw with my own eyes one of the least talented centers in the NBA in Fesenko?
    Elson is an athlete with talent, heart, skills and a hunger. We are lucky to have someone that can finally jump in the middle.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Sept. 16, 2010 3:58 p.m.

    Elson should have very little impact as he is far enough down the bench he won't get much time on the court. It would be nice though to have a stronger player to go to when necessary.

  • 1tobeamup Murray, UT
    Sept. 16, 2010 4:12 p.m.

    Mark Deeks: Jon Scheyer will go to training camp with the Utah Jazz. Twitter - now THIS is something to get excited about!

    I hope we'll know the training camp roster soon!

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    Sept. 16, 2010 8:35 p.m.

    Re: Anonimous Infinity : I agree with you regarding getting in shape but I disagree about Fes, I think he has the potential to be alot better than you want to give him credit for. He can have a much bigger impact than some think, he could easily be a 10/10 player and provide the defensive presence we need. It sounds like he has been working at least hard enough to have lost a little weight, and he had a decent summer with his NT. Some players are automatically hard workers and have learned because of parents or coaches, but some young kids like Fes or CJ may not have had coaches or parents that have been hard on them and pushed them to work hard and develop that trait but as they get alittle older they realize what it takes to be better than they have been and the light turns on and they start working harder. I'm hoping Fes has reached that age and maturity. He has all the size and athleticism we need to have in a center that can control the paint and contribute an acceptable amount of pts & rebounds.

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    Sept. 16, 2010 10:38 p.m.

    The only reason they signed him is because they're below the minimum roster size. I think we still need to sign one or two more guys.

  • Large Tuna Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2010 10:02 a.m.

    Lets not forget about Augustine, he was great in the summer league and got an invite to camp. That guy played hard and did a good job. Even if we do get Fes back, I still think we should pick him up. He may end up playing better than Fes, or worst case scenario, it would give Fes some competition/motivation to start working hard and improving. He hasn't really had that yet. Plus we can get Augustine for pennies, and we'd have 5 players that could play center. Sure its not going to get us over the Laker hump, but nothing will right now anyway.

  • gazelle Murray, UT
    Sept. 17, 2010 2:03 p.m.

    I do not understand the Fesenko obsession either...

    Some people think that the problem with Fesenko has been that the Jazz(mainly Sloan) did a horrible job of developing him. An if only givin the proper attention he would transform himself into a player that they desperately need. What could Kevin, Sloan and the rest of the bunch be thinking???

    What everyone else in the league is thinking !!!

    Jazz offered Fesenko a 1 year 1 million dollar contract. Pennies. Well no teams are lining up to snatch this underdeveloped star out from under them. So I guess that pretty much says it all.

    On the signing of Elson, I am choosing to be a bit more welcoming since I have yet to see him play in a Jazz uniform. Go Jazz !!!!

  • toddfromsantaana Santa Ana, CA
    Sept. 26, 2010 11:32 p.m.

    Augustine dominant in the Summer League?


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