Plan includes staff cuts, new business model and 7-day print publication
good paper tough time to be paper.
The Deseret News has been my go to site for High School and Aggie sports
coverage for a long time. I hope that we don't lose the great people who
provide that coverage. Especially Jared Eborn. I really enjoy reading his
stuff and if he's gone then I think I will be too.
DNews,It was fun while it lasted. Thanks for the memories.
So are any columnists getting the axe? I like Scott Pierce and Ann Cannon.
What will happen to them.
A newspaper company making reductions. Simply a sign of the times in this
electronic news oriented society.
WOW, these are some exciting changes. As much as I hate so see people loose
their jobs, I can't not fault the DN for doing so, as I hardly ever read a
printed version anymore. I am really excited for the changes though and hope
that the quality of the paper only increases and not get one-sided in case that
the Trib folds.
Wow. "Lead and innovate" apparently is a new way to say "Slash and burn". Too
bad for the 100 folks who just lost their jobs today. And a leader in online
news? You've got a LOT of ground to cover just to try and catch up. The DNews
is WAY behind the curve on this one.
Clark Gilbert's press release on the matter attempts to maintain the public
trust by saying "The vision and direction has drawn from industry leaders". He
then quotes "nationally recognized new media leader" Clayton Christensen, but
doesn't reveal that Clayton is one of Clark's longtime buddies. Bad form, sir.
Sounds great ... except how do you innovate and do better by cutting your
workforce almost in half? Sounds like a nightmare for the employees, who are
going to be told "we expect more from you, but we're taking your resources
It's sad that being so innovative and creative comes at the cost of dozens of
jobs affecting hundreds of people in the community. Good luck to all of you.
How many of those let go are close to retirement age ? It seems like they
always get hit !
As a huge long-time subscriber and fan of newspapers this is tough news. My
heart goes out to people losing their jobs - esp. in this economy. I
wish there were internet marketers on the new board. I'm curious if the Deseret
Connect model is a paid model or if it's like the Examiner where people write
for traffic (which ends up being nothing). Or, will they be paid for content?
I'd like to see a hybrid of both.Also, I want to interview someone
about this for my blog Newspapergrl. Please have them contact me janet at
onlineprbook dot com-Janet
This is unbelievable depressing news. Nearly 100 people lost work today. And you
expect us to believe that the paper will "increase in-depth coverage from the
organization's strong journalists on relevant issues." That's a lie, plain and
simple. There will be less news. There will be shorter stories. There will be
less editing, less copy editing. There will be more mistakes. I'm not sure what
is sadder -- that a group of fine people lost work today -- or that this
newspaper thinks its readers are so stupid that they can spin this as a
positive development. Shame, shame.
I just wonder whether the reductions could not have not been done through
attrition instead of firing. My heart goes out for those who are losing their
jobs.As for the other points in the article: I am looking forward to
seeing what comes out of this all.
I am thrilled with this " Deseret" news! Maybe we can detach ourselves from the
canned news of the rest of the country and concentrate on the truth as it
occurs. I have been a reader since the 1940's and love my DN. I feel that this
is the right way to go. My heart goes out to those who will lose jobs. That is
never good news. My best to all the new and old staff. A loyal Orem reader.
I know something had to be done, but OUCH! My best wishes to long time friends
at the D-News that may be out of work now. I predicted a merger of
newsrooms between broadcast and print concerns owned and operated by the LDS
Church. The "new journalist" that emerges from this combination of
mediums will need to be incredibly versatile compared to the "journalist of
old." It's a brave new world and we can only hope that the ethics of the fact
checking, truth sharing, insight providing journalist survive the change.
The audacity to spin this as a positive development -- which will "increase
in-depth coverage from the organization's strong journalists on relevant issues"
-- is astounding and insulting. This means fewer stories. Shorter stories. Less
ambitious stories. Stories from unpaid, untrained "experts." It's horrible news
and we, the reader, will pay the price.
"Changes in the industry" are not the cause of your newspaper's demise. Deseret
News is a propaganda tool for the Mormon Church that pushes its agenda (i.e.,
anti-gay rhetoric and all the associated false science of gay being a choice)
and filters the news to protects the church's image and to further the church's
agenda. People in Utah are not stupid. Even members of the "church" are waking
up to the facts and changing their subscriptions to the Salt Lake Tribute or
ready the real unbiased and independent newspaper City Weekly. As the church
continues to lose membership your newspaper will continue to lose subscribers
and advertisers. I look forward to the day when both disappear.
These are tough decisions, though I think on balance, current management in the
USA tends to discount the long-term value of human resources. The D-News
also needs to add balance (and speed) to their reporting, especially on issues
relating to the church. I'm LDS myself and I follow the Deseret News
electronically from St. Louis, but when I want to hear the other side of the
story I feel like I have to go to the Tribune too. I would like to see the paper
more vigorously address the challenge of presenting more than one side to the
news without compromising their preferred editorial positions. Also I really
hope they upgrade "Church News" so that the editorials are worth reading and so
that it is truly "Church News" not "Church Olds". Then maybe I would subscribe
Well, all I can think to say is best wishes to all the D-News staff today. This
has been a long time coming, but that doesn't make it any easier. Even those who
hang on to their jobs are going to have a rough transitioning period ahead. Good
luck to all of you.
Sorry to hear of this reduction and the integration with KSL. We've ceased to
listen to KSL because of the PC movement we perceive. Hope DesNews doesn't go
further in that direction.
"Sounds great ... except how do you innovate and do better by cutting your
workforce almost in half?"Every farmers knows eating his seed corn
News has become a commodity that is in plentiful supply, spreading the market
and sending ad revenues plummeting. Ergo, innovation like the D News is
announcing today. (It probably also helps its sister, KSL.) I feel sorry for
those who are being shown the door but wish the D News well; this market needs
at least two first-rate newspapers and robust journalism.
See what Obama did now!!! He is even driving Conservative Newspapers out of
business.I feel sorry for those employees who are losing their
jobs.Perhaps a new model for Journalists should be that they are
created as non-profit organizations who are dedicated to reporting events rather
than returning a profit to their owners.
I hope with all of this innovation the DN can provide current news in a timely
manner and not history which s days old. Combining news staffs makes a lot of
sense but cutting half the print staff doesn't seem reasonable. Were there too
many workers to begin with?
This is a tough economy to find a job. I know because I am a highly educated
person looking for a job for a few years now. Nobody will take a look at me
because they are not hiring or I am "over-qualified." Please make sure to give
anybody you are discarding a very good exit package because they deserve it. DN
is the best in the world and making this decision will place you in the
spotlight for not only cutting edge but what you do with your leftover people
that have been serving us for so long.
"expand it's reach and influence throughout the world." If so, how?
The changes you are making are business decisions but the reasons I quite taking
the newspaper as a printed deliver was because of the delivery. The newspaper
has yet to improve the delivery at the house. If the weather was stormy I could
expect to find the newspaper on a puddle of water or in the snow without a water
resistant cover. All of the papers I could not find during the winter would
show up out on the lawn as the snow melted in the spring because they were
thrown into the snow before it was removed from the driveway or sidewalk.I also find the bias of the paper revolting. Every issue addressed will
have a bias generally toward liberalism and/or environmentalists. I prefer to
make my own decisions about issues. I prefer to receive balance coverage of
issues similar to PBS Jim Lear.I receive three Deseret News
electronic publications each morning. However, I read more KSL news because I
find their classifieds to be a better draw that presents the news on the home
page and catches my interest to read.
Very sad, but something impossible to avoid with today's print news industry
trends. Best to deal with it early and keep the business healthy than wait too
long.Best of luck to those impacted by the job losses. The new media
of websites and blogs keeps growing, we hope you land on your feet there or
somewhere else where you can be successful.
Maybe we should have read more.
As a long-time reader of the DNews and the Trib, I would like nothing more than
to see the Trib step up to the plate and show the Mormon-owned media that you
can be competitive and creative without blood all over your hands. I hope the
Tribune will consider ways it could hire some of the 43 casualties of the
Deseret News and create an even more powerful news hybrid with perhaps with KUTV
and emerging online resources. It would also be wonderful those 43 would tell
their stories about what's really been going one behind the scenes.
Will there be a list posted of who was laid off? Or do we have to find out by
noticing who never does a story anymore?
The only thing in life that is constant is change. It was once said
change or die, and die you will if you do not change as the world changes. I am sorry for those who are effected by this change. Our
world is technology driven and the way we get our news, pay our bills, and do
our shopping is all in flux as new ways are established and accepted by the
people. These changes must have been driven by changes in public
subscription & classified ad purchases and the purchasing of placement ads by
business. Not to speak of rising costs of man and materials. Let us
all hope that these changes will deliver a better product to the reader, on line
or in print, and that a better informed public results.It's now up
to us as the public to support our newspapers, and other media, for if it goes
down, it would be terrible for community & society. (I want to
disclose that I volunteer for the Deseret News photo archive story each week)
Sarah Jane, thanks for all your good work. You're fired!(Best wishes
to all those losing their jobs.)How twisted can we get with our
wording? Sorry, but firing people and consolidating operations isn't innovative.
It's been done for centuries. Other newspapers are doing it as well. It isn't leadership either. It's called survival.Sales
and ad revenue are in the tank. You can't afford the utilities and feeding 43%
of the mouths at the table. In order to survive, you kick the older family
members out of the house and move in with your brother. To save
face, you tell everyone that you're leading and innovating and in the process
improving your reach and influence throughout the world.Yeah. Sure.
Right.This is a reality check. You're not, you're not, you're not,
and you're not. The truth is, you're hoping to survive.
My biggest concerns are-- 1st for the great journalists losing jobs. I know
many of these people and worry about their future. 2nd for the public at large.
Are we losing a public watchdog over our political leaders and legislature? I
feel we've sadly come to the point where MORE oversight is needed not less. The
list of values doesn't seem to emphasize the need for journalistic ethics and
values. Feeling let down and perhaps a bit betrayed.
@newspapergrl Clark will take interviews today via phone. I will send you the
phone number on Twitter.@HadEnough and @mp558 To clarify, it was 57
full-time employees and 28 part-time employees.@lin We don't have a
list of people laid off. Ann Cannon was mentioned in the press release as
staying, but it's up to individuals affected to share that information as they
I hope combining with KSL teaches those KSL "reporters" a thing or to. I have
never been impressed with KSL's coverage, I find it shallow and lazy. There are
some really great reporters and photographers at the DN, who I have a lot of
respect for. Hope they stay on.
As a sports junkie, I hope that the D-News can continue to cover and promote
high school sports. It has always provided quantity and quality that can be
found in no other paper.I have been a D-News fan since my youth, as a
paper carrier. I am hoping this move will leverage the strengths of both news
this is a joke. this will fail. not surprisingly, I sent in a comment
criticizing it and it was censored.
I've been pretty hard on the D-News from time to time, but I think it has been a
pretty decent paper. Now the D-News joins show biz. I expect this is the end
of serious journalism at your place. Just entertainers and MBA's now. Thanks
for your consideration through the years.
If this means more cut and paste articles from the Associated Press, then it
means a serious downturn in quality of content. I was dismayed to see the
Restoring Honor event on 8/28 was a cut and paste article by the AP. The AP's
slant is definitely to the left and it seems odd that a UT newspaper (on of the
most conservative states) would have a left leaning newspaper.Also,
why read the DN, if I get the same articles from the AP?
The Obama stimulus is working great . . .
@ Logan Dunnwhy doesn't Clark Gilbert face the music and actually
face us, the readers?
What this means is they will simply cut and paste their articles from the main
news organizations. means that the mainstream media will have more power and
control of our news. I suppose it is like this already but it will get worse
another joe cannon success story!
On one hand, this is tragic because so many wonderful journalists are losing
their jobs.On the other hand, this is an interesting experiment in
journalism.When the rumors were swirling around about this layoff,
one of the theories floating around was that some of the journalists might be
replaced with bloggers covering their local communities. If this is
the case, then the newspaper management might be thinking that the bloggers
could cover the micro-local news (that news consumers want and need) and the
reporters could write the beautiful literary in-depth stories.If
this is the case, then the challenge at this point will be to find a revenue
model that will compensate the various parties fairly.At some point,
advertisers are going to have to realize that advertisements on Internet news
sites are currently underpriced and that they will need to pay more to advertise
on these sites.However, while we catapult into the future of news, I
think that it is good to mourn the journalists who are leaving. My heart goes
out to them at this time.It would be great if, in the future, this
news model opens up opportunities for more journalists.
Maybe this will do some good, maybe not, but I am a bit skeptical. Both of our
major newspapers here need some objectivity. The Trib generally offers
higher-quality news reporting. For instance, just today, their story about the
slain Mormon bishop in CA had more detail than anything I read in the DN. And
that is typical of the Trib. But I LOATHE the Trib's obsession with all things
anti-establishment. The DN is LDS-focused, which is only to be
expected, but it could really use some balance, along with some good,
old-fashioned high-quality news reporting. Some of their columns/blogs are just
plain silly. The quality of the DN website is great, though--far better than
the Trib's, especially with the Trib's recent online "improvements," which
weren't improvements at all. Changes are definitely needed all
around and I hope the DN succeeds and continues to tweak things as progress is
made. Oh, and to "Utah Non Mormon", sheesh! With your TOXIC
attitude, why don't you pack up and move somewhere where you might actually be
happy? Isn't that better than living amongst people you so obviously hate??
The D-News lost me as a subscriber when they switched to mornings. I can't
stand not having up to date news. When they printed in the afternoon, some of
the news was fresh. With overnight, it is stale. If I want stale and inane
news, I'll read the City Weekly. The D-News ought to go back to afternoons.KSL is in the middle of a PC movement with their dumping of Hannity.
The Deseret News seems to be headed in that direction. I like a little
controversy. These days the D-News wouldn't publish Jack Anderson.
I am sorry to those that are losing thier jobs. I hope they find something else
soon.I read the comments here and it seems that people think the
purpose of a business is to create jobs (That's not the government's job
either!). The purpose of a business is to provide a product or service that
someone is willing to pay you to receive. If you do it well, customers will
return.It's not news that subscriptions to print newspapers have
been declining as more people get it online. If you are in the newspaper
business, or printing business, you must be extremely
competitive/productive/innovative (meaning - getting the most for the least cost
- or fewer people).I don't have a problem with a business changing
their model to keep up the the changing times.I'm glad the DN
doesn't charge for online subscriptions for access to the news, like many other
papers across the nation.
The real news is that the DNews has been able to hang on as long as it has with
traditional news dissemination.The economy is sour all over the U.S.
Lay-offs are happening in many places. The DNews move may be more a preemptive
strike to avoid more drastic measures by trying to hang on with a traditional
business model.I disagree that news is slanted by the DNews. Having
been a long-time reader of both the News and the Trib, I can firmly attest that
the bias comes very frequently from the Trib, particularly when the Trib editors
think they can give the LDS Church a black eye.
Hallsy...HAHAHAHAHLeave it to the Obama Admin to find a silver
lining in this story! Forgetting the fact that 85 lost their jobs, Obama would
take credit for the 114 SAVED JOBS!!
It is sad that people had to lose their jobs today, in this economy especially.
Maybe the D-News should have polled their readers to find out which columnists
were not that well followed and let that play a hand in who was let go versus
random layoffs. Maybe they did and I missed it. Either way, terrible news to
have to print.
Thanks for reminding to about tightening our financial belts.I will be saving
money too when I cancel my subscription. it goes both ways. Sorry about those
who loose their jobs, but maybe fire more management, not front line workers who
actually produce unlike management who sit shuffling papers for big money.
The reason is not that "the internet sapped ad sales." It is because there is a
rising generation(s) that don't "get" newspapers. THe model of "advertising
surrounded by news" is antiquated as a business model for the current generation
of movers and shakers. But in the meantime, the internet is not making money on
ads. Why aren't news sites successful with their ads? They are not. There is no
way to make money on the internet via advertising. Button and banner ads are
ignored to a degree that can hardly be calculated....far more ignored than print
ads, for example. It simply that the presentation model of sending out
information changed so drastically so fast that print media lost out. Ad sales
was only a teeny bit of the problem. That 21-year-old has probably never read a
newspaper, feels no need to read a newspaper and to blame it on ad sales is not
accurate. (There's a lot of other things the 21-year-old doesn't "get," too, but
that's another rant.)
How do we get Mr. Cannon's eamil to give input on how to make the paper
better? He may be in the mood to listen about how? Or where can we give input
besides the "your comment" page?
@hepfamcould not have said it better myself.
Maybe now the Deseret News will begin to report the truth as it should and not
skew it as most of the media has in the past 10 years.
I'm going to the trib and see what they are saying about this and see if I can
add to the comment board. they're less contolling. ps karma and if it's working
real good... you'll be one of those gone.. I'll try tomorrow or once the change
has taken place, in meantime I'll email Mr. Cannon.
The worst part of this is the news that DN's newsroom is combining with KSL's.
I agree with Morgan Duel, well put.
@big_ben: why doesn't Clark Gilbert face the music and actually face us, the
readers?He will! At 3:00pm today you can ask any question you want
via Twitter. Use the hashtag #DNewsQ to ask/follow the conversation.@ValiantDefenderCEO Clark Gilbert will talk more about Deseret
Connect over the next few days. This is our answer to high-quality, relevant
content on a regular basis.@TedsPalWe are committed to
providing quality content and more of it! By integrating our newsroom with KSL,
we are creating the largest newsroom in the state. This gives us more reporters
on the ground and frees up some of our best journalists to provide more in-depth
coverage. KSL and Deseret News will still remain separate entities. Our
editorial advisory board, with representatives from across the nation, will
provide high-quality content and insight. Additionally, our new content network,
Deseret Connect, will allow us to gather content from experts around the
Maybe the DN should ask for a subscription for the online version. I'd be
willing to pay it. And maybe we can get rid of some very nasty commenters at
the same time ...
The Salt Lake Tribune announced this over a week ago.
"Our readers have been clear that they want more than information," Gilbert
continued. "They crave and deserve insight, context and thought leadership
relevant to the events and issues of the day from sources they trust.""Thought leadership"???!!?Sounds like they have chosen to abandon
their role in the Fourth Estate and be more like Fox News or MSNBC. How sad for
DNews that they can feel they can only survive if they spoon feed their readers
"insight, context and thought leadership."It seems that objective,
ethical journalism is the real victim today. The displaced journalists will
find it hard to find journalism jobs as newspapers forego providing impartial
information in search of profits. We only have ourselves to blame given the
riches bestowed upon the like of Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Olberman and
To the commentor "Utah Non Mormon" - sorry you are so unhappy with Utah. Planes
leave SLC Airport every 5 minutes, I suggest you get on one.Deseret News
has had virtually no Business section for years, and is clearly slanted to the
Right - but, along with the Tribune, they are our town papers. Would we be
better if the two combined? I'm sorry the advertisers dollars and
demise of Classified ads have devastated the business. I applaud the continued
On-line effort, and would support more advertisers or an on-line fee to generate
better and more news.
The whole news paper business model has to change. This change is inevitable for
all news organization. However I don't like it when people try to spin bad news
into something good. It just seems so disingenuous to me. These changes were
necessary, but it will not be for the better. Reduced resources can't create
better product. Other papers that reduced their resources just
turned to the AP to get their stories. This leads to one source of news and
information. NOT a good thing.This will result in the same stories
being played at D-New, SL Trib, KSL TV, and KSL Radio. Where do you go to get
different stories or a different view.
Attention Provo Daily Herald: It looks like there might be some quality
newspaper reporters on the market! Now would be a great time to upgrade.
At the Deseret News, we choose to lead and innovate.That's
because the Mormon Church backs the paper, if it gets in the red.It's a win win for the paper.
Wow. A lot of good people and their families' lives have been thrown
into turmoil, and still, all these trolls can think do is warp the news into new
opportunities to take shots at the Church. Tsk tsk. It is LAUGHABLE
that chronically toxic critics like this think THEY are in a position to decry
bias! At any rate...It will be interesting to see how
the changes manifest in DN. Best wishes to all those affected by the
layoffs. Hopefully you can land on your feet and find a good situation.
I'm really looking forward to the new format actually. There's so much more
they can do with a big integrated news organization and with the Deseret Connect
thing. Looks like that is going to enable even MORE hyper-local coverage for
high school sports, etc. I for one welcome the new model. I do hope the staff
let go today will find their next calling in life sooner rather than later.
Likely generous severance, plus 96 weeks of unemployment from uncle sam goes a
I'm not sure which is more distressing--all those terrific reporters losing
their jobs, or the contorted and Orwellian language in which the announcement
was made. This is "spin" taken to a whole new (sickening) level.
It is unfortunate that DN management has chosen to partner with KSL, a formerly
stellar news organization that is now but a shadow of its formerhighly
competant self. The standard operating procedure there now is the "happy talk"
format carefully laced with political correctness at every turn.
Improve the internet version...you have many readers nationwide, including
one in Southern California...:)Good lucks!!!
How embarrassing for those people commenting on here for the mere purpose of
pushing their bigotry towards the LDS church.The church and the
DNews weren't somehow immune to the economy issues.Keep your
anti-mormon rhetoric to yourself. You're about the only person who cares about
I agree with jpr.I'd be willing to pay for online content also,
especially if paid content readers could choose to only read the comments of
others who were willing to pay for online content.It may not weed
out all the whiners but at least we'd smile at the fact that the whiners were
paying for the privelege.At least consider making that an option.
@Logan Dunnand the spin machine continues! all this talk of having
so many reporters, and yet because of the actions of a few, 100 people are out
of jobs today. These are HUMAN BEINGS who need an income to survive. Cut the
garbage of positive spin.
The Obama stimulus is working great . . . Check the recovery website and see all
the money and jobs its brought to Utah. What do you think those construction
workers are doing paid for by this money?Yes this is a conservative
paper owned by a church. I'm surprise what they let go on here. It's
never those who ruin something who pay. It's those below them. It always comes
down to leadership. Your employees never fail unless you have failed them.The real problem is when you have a change in technology and those who
can't understand it are tasked to implement it.It's my humble
opinion that this newspaper has the ability to morph into something much better.
It's not happening any time soon because they still don't get it.
Well, this is the last scoop you'll ever get. Enjoy combining with KSL to get
scooped at every turn by Ben Winslow at Fox. Also, nice press
release. If this is the kind of journalism we can expect from the new,
"improved" DNews, I'll take my web traffic over to the Trib before they
disappear, too.Best of luck to all the reporters losing their jobs.
Those of you who I know have a beer and a shot coming your way.
I applaud the DN for getting out of the manufacturing businees in order to stay
in and grow their news business. DN has done a phenomenal job if they've grown
their print readership 20%--the AZ Republic has lost readership consistently
although the population has grown drastically in their service area. It all
comes down to content. Provide valuable content and you will thrive.
I just hope that this means less canned stories that I can read anywhere and
more original stories. I will be looking for the in-depth stories and hopefully
they will be like the WSJ type.I stopped subscribing to the print version
of the DN years ago and switched to the WSJ because of the quality of reporting.
WSJ gave me original content instead of some canned liberal AP article. Also over the years DN had become more and more liberal to the point I really
wonder why the church even puts up with it. If I wanted that type of reporting
I would of subscribed to the SL Trib.So please, DN, get back down to basic
LDS community values (and I am not talking about those found in the Avenues).
Remember your roots.
I agree with EVERYTHING TedsPal said!
I agree with everything TedsPal said.P.S. DN- Why does capitalizing
one word (everything) violate a rule against "excessive" capitalization and thus
disqualifies me from posting my comment? Ridiculous!
Print journalism can't compete with the internet, it will have to be phased out.
Meanwhile, if people want to read what's coming from the AP or other wire
services, there are other sites that provide that content. Why should the DMN
pay for content it doesn't originate. Use links. The reason to
read the DN is for local news and especially the message of the LDS Church.
Columnists are fine, but many of the best voices in the nation are bloggers,
many of whom are journalists.
Deseret News readers want "thought leadership?" Just what, exactly, is that?
It sounds like something that might have co-existed with the former Soviet
The article states: "Print readership of the Deseret News grew by 20 percent in
2009, the highest growth rate of any newspaper in the country." The DNews has
INCREASED their print sales and they respond by letting many talented and loyal
employees go and placing a higher workload on the remaining journalists. That
just doesn't make sense. Don't make any assumptions about severance packages
either. The 28 part-time employees certainly won't get them and there's no
guarantee for the 47 full-timers either. Don't forget that those same employees
maintained the net content as well. I suspect that we'll see a huge decrease in
coverage and quality. No matter how they try to spin this - it's not a positive
change. This is a heartbreaking day and my thoughts are with the many employees
and their families today.
@tripleCrownif it weren't that it'd be something else. It
happens to me all the time. They want the job to be easier not better..
Just hear Jared Eborn was let go. I will be cancelling my subscription today.
Please. PLEASE. Stop using the catchphrase "thought leadership" immediately. It
makes my stomach turn. It makes me want to end all contact with DN and KSL
immediately, and I'm otherwise a happy, reliable Mormon. You are not my "thought
Word is that they are going to ask some people stay and help with the transition
process and then they will be let go. Its not me, and Im sure these people are
looking at this realistically, but if someone told me that I was being fired and
I would need to stay on just to help them transition, I would kindly tell them
to jump in a lake and then id leave.
@Morgan Duel"Maybe now the Deseret News will begin to report the truth as
it should and not skew it as most of the media has in the past 10 years."Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm tired of liberal media skewing
everything as well.
@GWB and others: It's Obama's fault? Who knew he controlled everything in the
world. You people need to get a life.I hope the new DesNews moves
beyond being a voice for the right wing.
Please. Stop using the catchphrase "thought leadership." For the love. It makes
my stomach turn. I don't need anyone from DN or KSL "leading" my thoughts. What
is this? Hypno-journalism? It's disgusting, didactic, and condescending. The leaders of this change at DN/KSL are also clearly missing one of the
fundamental shifts in new media: you don't "lead" audiences anywhere we don't
already want to go. I get my information from a reliable pool of bloggers (who
told me weeks ago that this DN layoff was coming, btw), the AP or Reuters, and
the mainstream media. I read more than a dozen of these sources nearly every day
and then, all on my own, decide for myself what I think approximates the truth.
There's no way I would depend on one biased source for my "thought" and I can't
imagine depending on anyone in the media to "lead" me anywhere.
i find it really insulting when executives claim they are going to "lead and
innovate" by cutting jobs. find a news organization in the united states that
has gotten better after it has cut 40 percent of its staff. most of them are so
thin they aren't worth reading, either in print or online.
@Esquire"I hope the new DesNews moves beyond being a voice for the right
wing."You obviously haven't read to many stories in the Des News.
Many of them have a strong liberal bias.
Nothing is more certain than change. I hope DNews can assume the cutting edge
leadership role they espouse as opposed to simply suffering a slow death. What
I'm envisioning is a technology driven newspaper that addresses Utah's need for
news while impacting news coverage within their selected target areas
nationwide. That's an ambitious undertaking, but likely the only way for them
to survive and even grow. Hats off to those who lost their jobs for a job well
done and a happy landing.
Why isn't the Tribune having to reinvent itself? There is more to this than
they are telling us.
The best move was to get Joe Cannon out of Dodge.
The Detroit News has been publishing print editions only two days a week for
over a year now. The only difference, besides the fact that the DN
is still a daily paper, is that the Trib loves to mock way more than the Free
What they need is to accept that being the best in Utah is not good enough.
The DN has not arrived, and so it can not rest on its laurels.How
does DN website traffic compare to other newspapers across the country? I do
not know, but to be more successful, it needs to consider what such figures
would mean.I am glad that Gilbert recognizes this is a hard
decision. Still, the classified ads and even non-classified ads migration away
from the newspaper to other formats is not going to be reversed.
I just hope that the comment moderation sections of the DN and KSL do not merge.
The DN still in my view too narrowly defines "offensive" and at times
"off-topic" is stretched, but I would say that they avoid many of the problems
of the KSL comments, so keeping them seperate at least for now will be a good
mp558, I assume the people being let go are classified ad processors.
There is no indication that writers are being let go. It is odd
how some people assume that everything someone connected with the Deseret News
says is a lie. At what point does saying "you are a liar" become
abusive? I think this is an issue the moderators need to consider more indepth.
To fromSTL, Why go to the Trib. It is just a bunch of hate filled
lies, spun in ways that have no accuracy. I mean, one time the National
Inquierer sued some of SLT employees to maintain its good name.Or do
you think that the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping was really done by her family
members, and B. D. Mitchell is an innocent victim?
85 individuals is not 100. The haters sure like to call others "liars" and
then be less then accurate with their own figures.
It is odd that the haters are so displeased with this and related
announcements, when they always seem to have nothing but dislike and anger to
express towards the employees of DN.
I am sorry to see a Conservative newspaper fold. Pretty soon, all we will have
is Obama-friendly socialist rags.
Some of you people really need to get a grip. Do you really think that the DN
wants to do this? Print media is in trouble world wide and has to
migrate to electronic to survive. The business model has to change and in the
process jobs will be lost.Some of you show that you don't have a
lick of business sense.I, and many like me, appreciate the DN and
will continue to support your company.
I guess this all must be done to save the paper or whatever but it's hard to say
this will make the paper.
I heard that Jared Eborn got the pink slip. Just when Utah State had good
consistent coverage. Jared's information was a big reason I visited the
website. I looked today several times for information about the conference
shake up and found it strange that he had not posted something. Now I know why.
Thanks Jared for the great coverage. Start a blog and I'll subscribe. I'll
cancel the rest of my DNews subscription (down to weekends only) and sign up
with you.DNews, how do you plan on covering Utah State now?
I am glad they are keeping the print 7 days a week. Until newspapers learn to
profit online, they are signing their death warrants by quitting print. I still
prefer print anyway and find it more user friendly in some ways. Kudos to the
News in increasing subscriptions by 20%! That is phenomenal. If they can ride
out the recession they will find advertisers returning at better rates as they
keep their print readership strong.
Change is inevitable. People were unhappy when buggy whip makers got laid off
after automobiles came along. The "Iceman" business went bust after electric
refrigeration came. See any places selling typewriters any more? Well, newspapers are becoming just as obsolete, thanks to the internet. Does
any one really buy stuff from the DN classifieds any more? Or do they buy off
of KSL.com or Craig's list? News- "hear about it now, see it tonight, or read
about it tomorrow" ones radio station says, overlooking the fact that you could
have read about it on Drudge or Hot Air several hours before hearing it.No, despite laying off a large number of good workers, the DN is
attempting to compete in the new marketplace, and they may be successful. Or,
maybe not. In any case they will undoubtedly remain a better product than that
spewed by the hate-filled bigots over at brand "T".I still like to
look at the print edition, but have already read most of it on line the night
It's not the fault of the readers or the staff. It's the drivel and pablum the
management (including Tommy & the Church) fed us. Shame on them. The spin of
this article is typical of the management's short-sightedness. They say "All is
Well in Zion" while they ravage their staff, and promise "more with less". Good
luck DNews, as you continue your slide toward mediocrity and irrelevance.Love from,19 year subscribers who lapsed in June because they were tired
of your bias and insipid editorial directionps: To keep readers or to win
them back, maybe you should be relevant and provide what they want. Cutting
salaries is what you want. We want relevance and a decent product. If you had
either, you wouldn't be destroying the lives of your employees and whining about
the "digital age".
Innovation and change is inevitable, even in how news is reported.However, do they have to give up our right and their right to a free press?
Must they sacrifice their integrity as a news media to convert there purpose to
censored news and corruption in government? According to previous press releases
they will no longer support a free press, but a censored press to satisfy
special interest, government, and corruption among our representatives. They
said the DN and its affiliates will no longer be the voice of an impartial news
media. They are now in the hands of corporate america to limit what the news may
print. It will be a need to know system where the news and information will fall
under the cloak of secrecy and a new 3 letter acronym. The people
who will lose their jobs are those who believe in freedom of speech.
I am surprised news outlets exist at all. We all are enticed by the allure of
"free", but one cannot sell dollar bills for 99 cents, at any volume. Math will
How can I see a list of those who were laid off?? My Trainer on my mission and a
good friend of mine who served in my mission both work for Church News...I hope
they were spared....
@ Pertti Felin: Osaatko Suomea? Oletko Pertin sukulainen? Why does
everyone berate a legitimate business (Deseret News) for making a business
decision in order to remain or become profitable. It's a fact of life in this
@Utah Non-Mormon:Actually, as a Senate candidate, the Tribune gave
me much better coverage even as a conservative candidate, while the DNews gave
me next to none. However, to the DNews' credit: These changes are
not just a fact of the digital age, but also evidence that economic choices our
elected leaders have made are failing us -- such as bailing out failing
businesses. Follow the money and you will follow the corruption. I
hope voters will wake up by November 2 and "vote them out," and replace them
with leaders of integrity who understand fiscal responsibility and limited
government. As a church-owned newspaper, I would also hope the the
DNews will be more directed toward supporting the church's mission statement and
that its own mission statement would reflect that mission, or at least post a
strong and bold disclaimer that the news does not represent the church's views.
I wish the DNews well. I am so sorry for all those who have been
caught in this economy and the massive changes in the news world. I am also
relieved to know that the DNews did not ask the government for a bailout.
Love it..."It's Obama's Fault"...not going head-to-head with the Tribune in the
morning. As predicted, that strategy didn't work...but it's Obama's fault!!!
First thing they should do is get better servers/faster connection because I am
sick of waiting for their slow page loads.
New economic times and drastic conditions require new innovative solutions. I
sincerely wish your newspaper success in making the near-impossible (I'm quite
certain) decisions that are and will continue to be made to keep the Deseret
News a credible newspaper in Utah and the Inter-mountain West.
I'm suspicious of a newspaper that represents "values." That usually means one
solid conservative voice on the op-ed page. But it's been the way for a long
time. So ho-hum, more of the same. Read the Tribune for balanced opinion.
I would like to see an age-profile of the DN subscribers over the past 20 years.
My guess is that DN subscribers are mostly among the middle-age and older
persons. If this is true, it means the DN will cease to be a print newspaper
sometime within the next 20 years, depending how soon the older persons who do
subscribe die off.Young people may read a print newspaper because
their parents subscribe. The question is, will the young people subscribe when
they leave their parent's home? My guess is no.
@Cherilyn"As a church-owned newspaper, I would also hope the the
DNews will be more directed toward supporting the church's mission statement and
that its own mission statement would reflect that mission, or at least post a
strong and bold disclaimer that the news does not represent the church's
views."The DN publishes The Church News, and that part of the paper
should support the mission of the Church. I would hope the rest if the DN would
not be obligated to support the mission of the Church. I think the only hope for
the DN to remain a profitable print paper is to attract younger subscribers, and
I think that will happen only if the DN becomes an independent voice that
objectively presents both sides of the issues.
A Deseret News headline on January 16th, 2010 read "Salt Lake Tribune owner
to file bankruptcy" or something to that effect. The Media conglomerate that
owns the Salt Lake Tribune has gone through bankruptcy proceedings in the last
year, and people act like The Tribune has been unaffected by anything and the DN
has been plagued by crisis.I guess I should be used to double
standards. When both the Tribune and the DN have leads on a sotry, it is only
the DN that is attacked for not publishing it. Still, the attempts
to make this into an attack the DN for trying to revise its business model to
fit 21st century reality instead of nostalgia for the supposed great era of
Newspapers which probably never existed in quite the way the nostalgists claim
Linda Lucas, How is the DN folding with an announcement that it will
continue to bring out print editions seven days a week? While the
DN is clearly moving aggressively into the realm of electronic media, it is also
maintaining a presence in print media.
I currently live in Henderson, Nevada, and read the local newspaper, The Las
Vegas Review Journal, which I've found to be a more conservative newspaper than
the Deseret News, which used to be that way. It has lost its voice over the
years due to leadership chosen along the way, so it's not surprising that it
lost readership because the viewpoint was the same as the SL Tribune.
I'm a huge Fan of Jeff Vice & Scott Pierce. I've been reading their columns for
at least the last 15 years. I find their reviews and opinions on Movies & TV
always entertaining. If they are no longer employed by Desnews, I'm gone
@John Pack Lambert"How is the DN folding with an announcement that
it will continue to bring out print editions seven days a week?"Good
question. The announcement doesn't guarantee success. It merely means management
hopes the announced changes will lead to more subscribers and thus keep the DN a
viable print paper. Management apparently believes there are sufficient people
who want a daily print paper to keep the DN going as a business. My concern is
what happens as the older people who subscribe to DN die off. Will the younger
generation subscribe? I'm skeptical they will. Look at the telephone
situation, for example. Younger folks want cell phones and texting and will pay
for them, especially for plans that give either high # minutes or unlimited
minutes. They recognize there is no need to pay for duplicate phone service. I
think they will also decide there is no need to pay for duplicate news service.
There are plenty of Internet sources for news.
@John Pack"While the DN is clearly moving aggressively into the
realm of electronic media, it is also maintaining a presence in print media."I think it is the other way around. The DN is moving aggressively in the
print media and is maintaining a presence in the electronic media. There is a
big difference between the DN having a web site and the DN being an online
newspaper. So far, the DN is trying to be in both paper and electronic media,
but they aren't trying to be an online newspaper. They just have a web site that
publishes the same articles as the print paper. Their focus is on the paper
media, and they copy the articles to their web site in an attempt to get more
subscribers to the paper newspaper. They still have the high overhead of
printing and distributing a paper newspaper. An exception to this is
Mormon Times. I may be wrong, but I don't believe MT is printed on paper. I hope
the DN is successful with MT and continues to explore online newspapers. Online
is the future, and paper is like horse harnesses.
@John Pack LambertJust a comment on younger folks wanting cell
phones instead of hardwired copper.I'm a membership clerk in a
singles (YSW) ward, and in our list of ward members, we list cell phones and
only list parent's phones if no cell phones are available. We have about 260
singles in our ward, and only a few have no cell phone listed in our records;
those few aren't active in the ward and don't care about our ward list. All of
the active singles have cell phones and use them as their primary phones.Many of our ward members live with their parents and could use their
parent's phones. Instead, they want and have their own cell phones that allow
them to text as well as to talk. When those kids move away from their parents,
will they pay extra for dedicated copper lines? I think it's unlikely, because
our ward members who live away from their parents have their cell phones as
their only phones.Will the attitude of the singles about phones
carry over to online newspapers vs. paper newspapers? I think so, but time will
While I'm thinking about the DN going online, I thought I'd speculate about that
transition. I think that 20 years from now, the need for a paper media will not
exist. The question in my mind is what type of transition would the DN need to
make to go from its present paper media to an all-electronic media. Suppose the DN were an online newspaper. Every page, every section of the
paper would be online. I'm not an online marketeer, but I assume some sections
would be free and some for a subscription. This would satisfy a majority of the
people, but some older folks would be left out.As a temporary thing,
suppose the DN published via paper medium a weekly review of the news. No
classified. No editorial or reader comments. No movie or TV reviews. No full
articles. Just an overview of the week's events. Something like this might
satisfy the needs of the older folks who don't have access to the Internet. As
the older folks passed on, the need for the review would diminish, and
eventually the review could be discontinued.
Layoffs! Does that we will have 13 reporters covering BYU football instead of
I'm a visitor from the Boston area; I was led here by a story about the
conversion of an FM station to an ultra-extreme-far-right-wing-conservative talk
format. The Boston Globe ran a story about the Deseret News's decision, and it
led with this headline (I'm not making this up; the print and online editions
were identical, but by now the online edition may have changed it): "Utah
newspaper cutting staff in half". Oh, the bloodshed.
@LaurenceYeah, I'm not impressed with the editors who create titles
for articles. See that type of thing all the time.
I sure hope the Sunday comics can go back to four sheets from three sheets. Even
with bifocals I find the reduced-size type almost impossible to read. I'd even
put up with a sheet of ads interspersed with a sheet of comics. Please?